I'm amazed after all these years of Ian showing and explaining guns I've never seen before, that he still finds more forgotten guns. How many are remaining Ian? Thanks for everything so far. You truly are a blessing for the gun world.
I'm convinced that Ian has one of those memory erasing flashing things from Men In Black hidden in each video so we always think there's new guns, but in actuality, there's only like 10
How many remaining? Goodness, there has to be at least a few hundred weapons left that would fit "Forgotten Weapons" . It all depends what Ian can ; actually find, get access to, research, and film, that determines how long he can keep going.
The cylinder rotating counter-clockwise makes sense. Most loading gate revolvers open on the right, to be loaded with the dominant hand while held in the off hand; this one opens on the left, to be loaded with the off hand like modern swing cylinder revolvers. Rotating counter-clockwise means you won't have a live round under the hammer until you load your sixth shot, and in a pinfire gun that's extremely important because the firing pin on each cartridge is exposed and prone to going off when struck. It's an incredibly simple, but effective, safety mechanism to prevent some dork from accidentally firing his gun while reloading.
This is also an extremely smooth, almost melted/rounded off, revolver. Combine that with the small sights, spur trigger instead of a trigger guard, and unfluted cylinder, and it makes me think it was designed to get in and out of a holster smoothly without snagging, both useful for a Gendarmerie who needs to draw his gun quickly and a useful safety feature to prevent some idiot from accidentally firing his gun while holstering it, which continues to be a concern for police officers to this day. Honestly, with the little quality of life features like the V-spring having a notch to hold it in place, the lanyard ring doubling as an ejector rod and cleaning rod, the ease of disassembly, etc. this is a very well thought out little revolver and probably an excellent choice for an 1800's police force.
I love when forgotten weapons makes videos about these smaller german and italian pre unification states. Tnks for the simple yet awesome presentation.
I always enjoy seeing the late 1800s designs, as so much needed to be done without small, fine springs. This revolver has a delightfully elegant design.
11:20 Between 1866 and 1870 the Papal Lira, the Italian Lira, and the French Franc were all fixed at the same value. Exchange rate in 1868 was 2 Francs to the Dollar: so each gun cost $28.
@@dfpguitar That's the cost in 1868, which makes it comparable then with the prices of higher end Colts and various rifles. Not cheap at the time. (Equivalent value of $28 today would be $595 adjusted for inflation. But this doesn't always reflect affordability for someone living then on a average wage. Labour value in 1868 nearer to $5k. Not a cheap option, but I suppose Pope's not short of cash).
@@markasimmons Correct. At the time, a good saddle horse cost between $75 and $100, and was the equivalent of a car today. Colt got in trouble for price gouging during the Civil War when they were charging $60 per revolver for the Union army; after the war, the revolvers were roughly half as expensive, and their cheaper models like the 1849 Pocket were less expensive than that.
Per the official definition, there were 4.65 grams of silver per 1868 Papal lira (post-devaluation). Therefore, 56 papal lire came to 260.4 grams of pure silver. For a value, a US silver dollar produced at the time weighed 26.73 grams and was 90% pure silver so it had about 24 grams of pure silver. The bullion value was more like $10.50 to $11 in silver, nowhere close to $28. You can cross check that with Wikipedia's explanation of the Papal lira, complete with devalued bullion amount. At today's spot value (2024-01-22) a gram of silver is worth about $0.71. That puts the value of the whole gun at roughly $186. I guess that roughly translates the Papal state police issuing their officers Hi-point .380s or Ruger LCP's.
@@thelaughinghyenas8465 But silver bullion valuation doesn’t tell the whole story either. There are tons of things to factor in. Basically, they weren’t cheap but they also weren’t high end, which isn’t really saying much either.
I feel like Ivory gripped, nickel plated SAA's with gold engravings featuring bible verses like "Blessed are the peacemakers" would be suitably popeified and be absolutely baller.
Arround 1500, pope Julius ll went into Battle in full plate Armour, armed with a short mace as sidesrm and a twohanded mace as main weapon. No sword, because in bible is written: Those one, who draws a sword, will die from a sword.
All I can think of is having Latin put on with damascene, but I play too much 40K. Hey 40K's aesthetic owes a lot to High Anglican which is Catholicism with the serials filed off.
Fascinating little piece! Between the somewhat “unfinished” look (lack of cylinder fluting, miserable sights etc) and the furious marking of every single surface, it reminds me of those Chinese mystery pistols you covered back in the day.
@@johnsanko4136 Yeah the Mateba came to mind shortly after I posted my comment, but I was considering older revolvers who were often far more diverse than what we may have today.
That is very intriguing little gun. I wish someone made a replica of it so we could see it fired. I doubt any few owner's of such guns were willing to lend an original for firing...
@@philhawley1219 I dunno, but I'm sure someone makes them. Not necessarily for sale though. They are not rocket science after all and even rockets are made...
Interesting to know that the papal states had a long history of existing and controlling a territory on their own, even if that territory was usually divided in vassals or subjects. The Catholic church was an administrative organization, and they had a lot more power that people imagine, much more than the religious aspect.
The papacy launched the Crusades. Scarcely peacemakers when it didn't suit them. Wasn't it the Fascist dictator Mussolini that gave the Vatican City nation state status which they use today to qualify for a seat at the International table. ?
And also adds important context to the near constant opposition to the power catholic clergy had in other countries, historically catholic church was major land holder all over europe.
@@IamOutOfNames Ian stated that the Priests running it all had need for armed police for internal security. That sounds about right. Disarm the people and arm the security detachments. They are still very much into guns ... Swiss Guard para militaries. Not just ornaments.
@@causewaykayak Back then the people could own arms in the Papal States and all of Europe. Many didn’t because guns were expensive but it was way easier for them then than now.
The value of 50 Papal Lira: One dollar was approximately five liras, in silver value, so 50 were about 10 dollars. A Colt navy cost 13 dollars in 1872.
Neat little revolver. I'm glad you were allowed to take it apart, it was amazing to see that level of work and serialization for the age of the item. I noticed some distortion in parts of the video, nothing major, but the parts where you're speaking onscreen seem scuffed compared to the lovely close-up work. Still an amazing video, just wanted to point that out in case it's pertinent. Could be a camera or software issue you'll need to wrestle with. Thanks for another great video!
That's an interesting little pistol. Every piece of this firearm is handmade, and it's amazing. These are my favorite types of firearm; where an idea moves along to creation.
Looks like a revolver drawn by an artist who knows little of firearms in the 19th century. Lots of paintings with weirdly proportioned revolvers around that time period, and this looks like one come to life
Catholic fact: If a saint has owned a firearm, that gun is considered a class 2 relic. Class 1 relics are actual body parts of the saints so class 2 is as high as a gun can go.
I would agree with your caption about the threaded jag. Its likely a brush was carried in the holster alongside it. But a black powder gun was never kept far from cleaning kit in this period i can't imagine. So i would agree based on its length and the thread being less than the threat at the bottom of the rod itself.
I am pretty shure the rod in the grip is thread on the top to screw a brush on to clean youre gun after fireing it and because the rod is usable as a ejecter rod and a belt attachment too....the rod is in the grip for belt and eject using in service and after using at home also the rod for the cleaning brush so one part has 3 functions.... Pretty smart design:)
The Papal Lira was based off the silver price as the coins issued were made from silver. Converting the mass over with todays silver price (historic low though) we get 56PL≈188USD. Adjusting for the higher silver price at the time we get todays equivalent value of ≈317USD per gun and ≈790k USD for the entire contract
I think the threading on the end of that extraction rod may be for a cleaning head attachment to clean the barrel and cylinders. The extraction rod/lanyard loop can then also function as your cleaning rod.
It always stresses me out watching Ian take these apart just because I know if I was doing it personally I probably would struggle massively to put it back together again...
As I learned at Liege's gunsmithing school the same techniques used to craft this gun, it's odd to recognize the same kind of marks and scratches that I would make on my learning pieces. The same kind of file marks and finish. It give me a feeling that I know that gun even though the mechanism is new to me. The quality of the craftsmanship may look a bit crude but from what I see it is just that it is not made to look good. My rough work-in-progress "finish" was pretty much looking like that but I tend to over do it (and lose too much time). In term of technique what differentiate this gun from a luxury handmade shotgun is that there would be an other step of maybe half a weeks of work or so to make it smooth and shiny polish and maybe some gold plating on the trigger and bluing the internal links.
At 56 papal lire in 1868 or between $10 and $11/revolver, I am not surprised at all to see roughness and tool marks. A small shop like that was probably struggling to make a profit out of the deal.
I think the threading on the end extraction rod/lanyard loop is to also function with a cleaning attachment so that one can clean the cylinders and barrel with the same tool. Not 100% certain but it would make sense.
After furious internet searching, I have an answer. At the time, the USD was worth 5.18 Lira. An 1868 USD is worth approximately 21.60 2024 USD. So the Pope's Gendarmerie Gat cost a current day $233.51. With the total contract being worth $583,775 in 2024 dollars or $27,026.62 in 1868 dollars.
Pinfire cartridges are so neat-looking and different from our radially-smooth modern ammunition! The evolution makes sense, and you understand why they did what they did...with limited chemical supplies and technology, and different material strengths. It really shows why keeping old relics helps understand technological progression, which keeps us from unnecessarily repeating mistakes from the past.
I often forget that pinfire cartridges come in "normal" calibers, the first thing that comes to mind when I hear pinfire is those teeny tiny replica guns that shoot 2mm ammunition.
Historical correction on the fall of the Papal States. Their end was slated from the start of the unification process, as only Rome could be accepted as capital of Italy - hence why the patriots first and the Kingdom of Sardinia (the state that was leading the unification effort and would eventually become the Kingdom of Italy) tried multiple times to establish a confederation, with the Pope as president - except the Pope was Pius IX, whose personality was such that Bismarck tried to offer him asylum in Germany with the expectation he'd drive the German Catholics into Protestantism. Thus no dice. Napoleon III, to keep the support of the French Catholics, made a treaty with Italy to keep Rome to the Pope, with Italy accepting to wait Pius' death and negotiate Rome becoming Italian with his successor and the French garrison being there to keep the uncontrollable Garibaldi out. Pius of course took it as license to provoke Italy at any chance... Then the Second French Empire fell, invalidating the treaty just at the same time Pius was trying to have the First Vatican Council proclaim him infallible in both spiritual and temporal matters, and Italy finally invaded. Thus on September 20 1870 Rome was taken... And just to be extra petty, almost all cities and towns in Italy have a street dedicated to that day leading to the local main church (the only exception is Rome, where the street starts at the breach in the walls the Italian troops entered the city).
The italian troops had been commanded by a General Cardona, the father of italian Main commander from wwl. Vatican troops had been commanded by a german man ,von Kanzler '.
It's said that the Pope threatened to excommunicate whoever gave the order to attack, so they temporarily promoted a Jewish officer, I can only imagine that conversation "You're Jewish, we need you for a special task" "No way, I don't like where this is going" "We need you to exploit a religious loophole" "You son of a bitch, I'm in"
Hi Ian, more than Napoleon taking the garrison out of the Vatican, it was after sedan that that Italy took the chance of taking Rome. If France didn’t lost the war, there would still be Napoleon to protect the Pope, and Italy wouldn’t take the risk. Nice video as always.
The rod is threaded to screw into lead shot/bullet that hasnt been fired. The threads bite into the soft lead shot to remove unspent round from the barrel.
Pietro, Giuseppe and Luigi has to be the most Italian trio of names possible.
pete, joe, and lou
@@danielbehrendt9683Hey! You disrespecting us by not capitalising our names?! Why, I oughta'...
It's Piero
Ninja turtlesish.
Bastards got a hold of my technical sketches from when I was 4
@@UncleSam-7.62other Italians mostly.
Hah, I was wondering why this looked familiar and yeah, it looks like a revolver a kid would draw.
I'm amazed after all these years of Ian showing and explaining guns I've never seen before, that he still finds more forgotten guns.
How many are remaining Ian? Thanks for everything so far. You truly are a blessing for the gun world.
I'm convinced that Ian has one of those memory erasing flashing things from Men In Black hidden in each video so we always think there's new guns, but in actuality, there's only like 10
He's never going to run out of oddities,Pakistan is still making new wierd one offs everyday
I think he forgot
How many remaining? Goodness, there has to be at least a few hundred weapons left that would fit "Forgotten Weapons" . It all depends what Ian can ; actually find, get access to, research, and film, that determines how long he can keep going.
@@mattmorrisson9607 he doest because bergman month is permanently etched in my memory 🤣😂🤣
The cylinder rotating counter-clockwise makes sense. Most loading gate revolvers open on the right, to be loaded with the dominant hand while held in the off hand; this one opens on the left, to be loaded with the off hand like modern swing cylinder revolvers. Rotating counter-clockwise means you won't have a live round under the hammer until you load your sixth shot, and in a pinfire gun that's extremely important because the firing pin on each cartridge is exposed and prone to going off when struck. It's an incredibly simple, but effective, safety mechanism to prevent some dork from accidentally firing his gun while reloading.
This is also an extremely smooth, almost melted/rounded off, revolver. Combine that with the small sights, spur trigger instead of a trigger guard, and unfluted cylinder, and it makes me think it was designed to get in and out of a holster smoothly without snagging, both useful for a Gendarmerie who needs to draw his gun quickly and a useful safety feature to prevent some idiot from accidentally firing his gun while holstering it, which continues to be a concern for police officers to this day. Honestly, with the little quality of life features like the V-spring having a notch to hold it in place, the lanyard ring doubling as an ejector rod and cleaning rod, the ease of disassembly, etc. this is a very well thought out little revolver and probably an excellent choice for an 1800's police force.
Officially referred to as the Pope's Police, but everybody just calls it the Po-Po
Thank you.
XD
You get the Blue Ribbon ! Never let truth interfere with a good story.
Well done. Well done.
@karldarl4388Hein ? De quoi tu jases ?
"The Pope? Bah. How many divisions has he got?"
"Less than one, Comrade Stalin, but they do all have these sweet pinfire revolvers."
Not gonna lie, I always love when Ian breaks out something from the Papal States or Swiss Guard.
Looks like a lego revolver
Ngl that’s a pretty accurate sum of it
dude thats fucking hilarious. Like the Indiana Jones ones? I see it!
Dam you are right
Lego revolver piece confirmed catholic
Does the Lego Pope have inflexible elbows?
The holy Handgun is clearly a better choice against a Rabbit.
Or snake
iykyk
You're free to count all the way to six! Technology is wild
XD
A better choice would be the holy hand grenade.
But could you hit a coconut being carried by an African swallow?
Just when you thought Ian had plugged the depths of forgotten weapons... He comes back with this little gem.
He is a real plunger...to the depths and beyond!
Hopefully he doesn't get plugged.
And it isn't even French. :)
Plumbed.
Putting once again the Forgotten in Forgotten Weapons
Mario is going to be pissed when he finds out his brother Luigi is running a side hustle business in the arms industry. lol
Nah, Mazzochi Bros is their codename. Mario was footing the coin for seed money. Perks of being in with the royal family.
@@TemperedMedia HAHAHA!
"Papacy went looking for a Pistol" is definitely the title of a underground rock song.
I love when forgotten weapons makes videos about these smaller german and italian pre unification states. Tnks for the simple yet awesome presentation.
I always enjoy seeing the late 1800s designs, as so much needed to be done without small, fine springs. This revolver has a delightfully elegant design.
This is exactly what I envision a holy weapon would look like. Upon looking at it you know it's gonna deal some holy damage.
+10 holy damage
Prevents skeletons from gettin revived
@@dwightdhansenyou beat me to it 😂👍🏼
Sends to heaven quickly.
And next week Ian will be reviewing the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
11:20 Between 1866 and 1870 the Papal Lira, the Italian Lira, and the French Franc were all fixed at the same value. Exchange rate in 1868 was 2 Francs to the Dollar: so each gun cost $28.
If that is adjusted for inflation already it's a bargain. Even at wholesale cost. $28 would about pay for one hour of skilled labour today.
@@dfpguitar That's the cost in 1868, which makes it comparable then with the prices of higher end Colts and various rifles. Not cheap at the time. (Equivalent value of $28 today would be $595 adjusted for inflation. But this doesn't always reflect affordability for someone living then on a average wage. Labour value in 1868 nearer to $5k. Not a cheap option, but I suppose Pope's not short of cash).
@@markasimmons Correct. At the time, a good saddle horse cost between $75 and $100, and was the equivalent of a car today. Colt got in trouble for price gouging during the Civil War when they were charging $60 per revolver for the Union army; after the war, the revolvers were roughly half as expensive, and their cheaper models like the 1849 Pocket were less expensive than that.
Per the official definition, there were 4.65 grams of silver per 1868 Papal lira (post-devaluation). Therefore, 56 papal lire came to 260.4 grams of pure silver. For a value, a US silver dollar produced at the time weighed 26.73 grams and was 90% pure silver so it had about 24 grams of pure silver. The bullion value was more like $10.50 to $11 in silver, nowhere close to $28. You can cross check that with Wikipedia's explanation of the Papal lira, complete with devalued bullion amount.
At today's spot value (2024-01-22) a gram of silver is worth about $0.71. That puts the value of the whole gun at roughly $186. I guess that roughly translates the Papal state police issuing their officers Hi-point .380s or Ruger LCP's.
@@thelaughinghyenas8465 But silver bullion valuation doesn’t tell the whole story either. There are tons of things to factor in.
Basically, they weren’t cheap but they also weren’t high end, which isn’t really saying much either.
The older I get, the more fascinated I become with older firearms. Great vid.
Imagine how pimped out they would be if the Pope was armed and always carried personal, Pope-ified pair of revolvers.
I feel like Ivory gripped, nickel plated SAA's with gold engravings featuring bible verses like "Blessed are the peacemakers" would be suitably popeified and be absolutely baller.
Arround 1500, pope Julius ll went into Battle in full plate Armour, armed with a short mace as sidesrm and a twohanded mace as main weapon. No sword, because in bible is written: Those one, who draws a sword, will die from a sword.
All I can think of is having Latin put on with damascene, but I play too much 40K. Hey 40K's aesthetic owes a lot to High Anglican which is Catholicism with the serials filed off.
@@brittakriep2938So just like it doesnt say anything about knee caps (according to Shepherd Book), it also fails to mention maces... 🤔
@@brittakriep2938 lol, there's some rules lawyering for you
Ian is more than an expert gunsmith with a penchant for historical weapons, he again shows here an understanding of history.
Fascinating little piece! Between the somewhat “unfinished” look (lack of cylinder fluting, miserable sights etc) and the furious marking of every single surface, it reminds me of those Chinese mystery pistols you covered back in the day.
Gotta say this looks very much handmade, with much care and proficiency, those parts really fit together well and smooth
Seeing the hammer I suddenly wondered if there ever was a revolver that had a hammer built into the frame to strike from below.
There are underhammer guns but I think most of them are single shot
Not quite the same idea you're contemplating but turret revolvers like the Cochran and Daniel's hammer from the bottom.
It's a weird one, but the Mateba Unica 6 has a hammer like what you're asking. It's also a semi-auto revolver. Ian did a video on it before.
@@johnsanko4136 Yeah the Mateba came to mind shortly after I posted my comment, but I was considering older revolvers who were often far more diverse than what we may have today.
@@LevinQGame Looked at the H&C Daniels breech-loading .40 under hammer gun. What a sleek looking rifle.
Neat, it is amazing how simple this firearm is.
What a great pleasure! A sweet and elegant pistol with a concise history lesson. Brilliant job. Congrats.
The gun deals +5 Holy damage
I could see John Constantine using this.
+6 holy damage .
Castel Sant'Angelo was originally Hadrian's tomb.
After the fall of Rome, ol' Hadrian didn't need it no more, so....
@@armorer94 true!
Fun fact from a Swiss. The serial number 1291 is also the founding year of the earliest Swiss confederation/ state. Coincidence?
It's a conspiracy!!! 😳😱🤪
Nice shield around the base of the cylinder to protect the pins against accidental bump and discharge. Neat!
That is very intriguing little gun. I wish someone made a replica of it so we could see it fired.
I doubt any few owner's of such guns were willing to lend an original for firing...
Where can you find pin fire cartridges these days?
@@philhawley1219 I dunno, but I'm sure someone makes them. Not necessarily for sale though. They are not rocket science after all and even rockets are made...
@@philhawley1219there are a few individuals in the US that make them to order, but they are extremely expensive.
This one has a wicked crack in the frame, so I wouldn't recommend it!
I'm proud to be a Okie from Mazzocchi! A place where even squares can have a ball
That is Beautiful!
the thread on the cleaning rod is for the full auto version ,
you screw the rod to the barrell and acts as a forward grip to help control the recoil
Interesting to know that the papal states had a long history of existing and controlling a territory on their own, even if that territory was usually divided in vassals or subjects.
The Catholic church was an administrative organization, and they had a lot more power that people imagine, much more than the religious aspect.
The papacy launched the Crusades. Scarcely peacemakers when it didn't suit them. Wasn't it the Fascist dictator Mussolini that gave the Vatican City nation state status which they use today to qualify for a seat at the International table. ?
And also adds important context to the near constant opposition to the power catholic clergy had in other countries, historically catholic church was major land holder all over europe.
@@IamOutOfNames Ian stated that the Priests running it all had need for armed police for internal security. That sounds about right. Disarm the people and arm the security detachments. They are still very much into guns ... Swiss Guard para militaries. Not just ornaments.
@@causewaykayak Back then the people could own arms in the Papal States and all of Europe. Many didn’t because guns were expensive but it was way easier for them then than now.
@@causewaykayaknothing to do with disarming people, it's just that their police force needed weapons.
The value of 50 Papal Lira:
One dollar was approximately five liras, in silver value, so 50 were about 10 dollars. A Colt navy cost 13 dollars in 1872.
Neat little revolver. I'm glad you were allowed to take it apart, it was amazing to see that level of work and serialization for the age of the item.
I noticed some distortion in parts of the video, nothing major, but the parts where you're speaking onscreen seem scuffed compared to the lovely close-up work. Still an amazing video, just wanted to point that out in case it's pertinent. Could be a camera or software issue you'll need to wrestle with. Thanks for another great video!
It's always neat to see Papal arms. The Papal States is such a unique part of history.
first choice when fighting the vampires.
Finally! This is the kind of weird ass gun that made me fall in love with your channel!
That's an interesting little pistol. Every piece of this firearm is handmade, and it's amazing. These are my favorite types of firearm; where an idea moves along to creation.
Looks like a child tried to draw a pistol with crayons
That is the cleanest revolver I have ever seen. Nifty video, thank you
Looks like a revolver drawn by an artist who knows little of firearms in the 19th century. Lots of paintings with weirdly proportioned revolvers around that time period, and this looks like one come to life
Catholic fact:
If a saint has owned a firearm, that gun is considered a class 2 relic.
Class 1 relics are actual body parts of the saints so class 2 is as high as a gun can go.
so if a saint shoots you, it makes you holier?
@@Slava_Ukraini1991
No, but it does make you hole-ier
@@Slava_Ukraini1991 'holier' is he hits your more than once.
I often wonder does Ian ever have any ‘ oh shit I don’t know how to put this back together’ moments
What excellent simplicity!! Neat design
For when the exorcism needs a lil bit more oomf than holy water
I guess you don't need a big gun, when you're just keeping the choir boys from trying to escape
Great revolver and history on it and the Vatican, thanks as always, this would be cool in the revolver class BUG match!
I would agree with your caption about the threaded jag. Its likely a brush was carried in the holster alongside it. But a black powder gun was never kept far from cleaning kit in this period i can't imagine. So i would agree based on its length and the thread being less than the threat at the bottom of the rod itself.
I am pretty shure the rod in the grip is thread on the top to screw a brush on to clean youre gun after fireing it and because the rod is usable as a ejecter rod and a belt attachment too....the rod is in the grip for belt and eject using in service and after using at home also the rod for the cleaning brush so one part has 3 functions....
Pretty smart design:)
+5 against the undead
Double damage against demons and devils
Ver cool, thank you for the report.
Missed seeing you at SOT SHOW so far.
An actual literal holy weapon
Well, literally not... you use the word literal too liberally xD
Next up, the Holy hand grenade of Antioch
Nothing holy about the vatician or pope.
@@nobodynoone2500 Lol, found the Babylon Mystery Religion believer…
The Papal Lira was based off the silver price as the coins issued were made from silver. Converting the mass over with todays silver price (historic low though) we get 56PL≈188USD. Adjusting for the higher silver price at the time we get todays equivalent value of ≈317USD per gun and ≈790k USD for the entire contract
Is the pistol still being rendered?
Does look like someone’s first time designing a gun in Blender.
I've never really thought about it but the gun community usually has the best dad-like jokes in the top comments, amazing
Imagine how BADASS an armory nicknamed "The Tomb" would be. Sounds like something straight outta "John Wick."
You'd think they'd get water pistols that squirt holy water
Only for vampires 😜
@@cedhome7945i bet that they fire silver bullets
@@Hwje1111 Silver bullets are for werewolves...
*I really thought that instead of bullets, it would squirt holy water, and the cop would say "vade retro satana, you are under arrest!"*
Ian is very relaxing to listen to.
I forget that the vadican has a crap ton of land. Really cool to learn about this forgotten weapon!
Next video.... The Holy Hand grenade of Antioch .... .
Ian must be visiting family.
I think the threading on the end of that extraction rod may be for a cleaning head attachment to clean the barrel and cylinders. The extraction rod/lanyard loop can then also function as your cleaning rod.
It always stresses me out watching Ian take these apart just because I know if I was doing it personally I probably would struggle massively to put it back together again...
Looks like
Really smooth clay
My obscure Italian family name has finally achieved significance!
Mi mamá tenía el mismo apellido🇦🇷
I do like a sprinkle of history with my morning cup of Forgotten Weapons
Thanks for making this video.
Someone, somewhere owns one of these and has no idea what it's worth.
very interesting that castel san angelo (aka hadrian's tomb) was used as a gun factory.
Excellent job Ian!
You think you have seen everything and this guy still pulls out something new
This kind of content is the reason I watch FW.
Ian finally got around to reviewing the Scarecrow's revolver from The Wizard of Oz.
I'm not a firearms enthusiast, but I love this channel. Unique pieces of engineering, works of art, explained plainly and simply.
As I learned at Liege's gunsmithing school the same techniques used to craft this gun, it's odd to recognize the same kind of marks and scratches that I would make on my learning pieces.
The same kind of file marks and finish. It give me a feeling that I know that gun even though the mechanism is new to me.
The quality of the craftsmanship may look a bit crude but from what I see it is just that it is not made to look good. My rough work-in-progress "finish" was pretty much looking like that but I tend to over do it (and lose too much time). In term of technique what differentiate this gun from a luxury handmade shotgun is that there would be an other step of maybe half a weeks of work or so to make it smooth and shiny polish and maybe some gold plating on the trigger and bluing the internal links.
At 56 papal lire in 1868 or between $10 and $11/revolver, I am not surprised at all to see roughness and tool marks. A small shop like that was probably struggling to make a profit out of the deal.
Ian, it would be very interesting to see some videos of manufacturing machines and methods of this period
Pulled put the Kiejl Armistice A9
I think the threading on the end extraction rod/lanyard loop is to also function with a cleaning attachment so that one can clean the cylinders and barrel with the same tool. Not 100% certain but it would make sense.
There was probably a long bore brush for cleaning sold with each pistol and threaded onto the ejection rod, but it is missing today.
After furious internet searching, I have an answer. At the time, the USD was worth 5.18 Lira. An 1868 USD is worth approximately 21.60 2024 USD. So the Pope's Gendarmerie Gat cost a current day $233.51. With the total contract being worth $583,775 in 2024 dollars or $27,026.62 in 1868 dollars.
If you calculated that correctly, that was a steal. Maybe they cut the Vatican a deal.
Very nicely made. Beautiful little revolver.
Pinfire cartridges are so neat-looking and different from our radially-smooth modern ammunition! The evolution makes sense, and you understand why they did what they did...with limited chemical supplies and technology, and different material strengths. It really shows why keeping old relics helps understand technological progression, which keeps us from unnecessarily repeating mistakes from the past.
I often forget that pinfire cartridges come in "normal" calibers, the first thing that comes to mind when I hear pinfire is those teeny tiny replica guns that shoot 2mm ammunition.
Holy Damage Revolver
@10:30 is that a crack in the frame?
Kinda looks like one. Especially if you zoom in on the recoil shield radius about a minute later.
Can't help but wonder, whatever happened to the Mazzocchi Bros after 1870?
On a mission to save a pink princess from a mutant turtle
I have a 1976 Ducati with Mazzocchi suspension.
@@philhawley1219Ducati, soldi buttati.
According to some bloggers who track Papal History, the F.lli Mazzochi remained around for a few years doing small-time custom gunsmithing.
We are not mentioning the frame crack?
The machining, fit and quality of the revolver after all this time.🤠
I will say I do wish you would have short test fire portions of these videos
"Just the facts, ma'am... We're on a mission from God."
Exactly what I would've expected of the papal states
Historical correction on the fall of the Papal States.
Their end was slated from the start of the unification process, as only Rome could be accepted as capital of Italy - hence why the patriots first and the Kingdom of Sardinia (the state that was leading the unification effort and would eventually become the Kingdom of Italy) tried multiple times to establish a confederation, with the Pope as president - except the Pope was Pius IX, whose personality was such that Bismarck tried to offer him asylum in Germany with the expectation he'd drive the German Catholics into Protestantism. Thus no dice.
Napoleon III, to keep the support of the French Catholics, made a treaty with Italy to keep Rome to the Pope, with Italy accepting to wait Pius' death and negotiate Rome becoming Italian with his successor and the French garrison being there to keep the uncontrollable Garibaldi out. Pius of course took it as license to provoke Italy at any chance... Then the Second French Empire fell, invalidating the treaty just at the same time Pius was trying to have the First Vatican Council proclaim him infallible in both spiritual and temporal matters, and Italy finally invaded.
Thus on September 20 1870 Rome was taken... And just to be extra petty, almost all cities and towns in Italy have a street dedicated to that day leading to the local main church (the only exception is Rome, where the street starts at the breach in the walls the Italian troops entered the city).
The italian troops had been commanded by a General Cardona, the father of italian Main commander from wwl. Vatican troops had been commanded by a german man ,von Kanzler '.
It's said that the Pope threatened to excommunicate whoever gave the order to attack, so they temporarily promoted a Jewish officer, I can only imagine that conversation
"You're Jewish, we need you for a special task"
"No way, I don't like where this is going"
"We need you to exploit a religious loophole"
"You son of a bitch, I'm in"
That's pretty hilarious that Bismarck figured exposure to the Pope would drive German Catholics to Protestantism.
Anyone else notice the broken frame at the bottom right corner of the recoil shield?
shoots holy water-infused bullets, thrice-blessed and does extra damage against demons
Love Marzocchis. Especially the Monster T, 888, and Z1
Ejector rod probably doubles as a cleaning rod, hence the thread on the end, for the cleaning accessories.
Excellent historical piece.
Hi Ian, more than Napoleon taking the garrison out of the Vatican, it was after sedan that that Italy took the chance of taking Rome. If France didn’t lost the war, there would still be Napoleon to protect the Pope, and Italy wouldn’t take the risk.
Nice video as always.
S&W revolvers have rotated counter-clockwise for 120 years.
I'm a sucker for revolvers, and that's gotta be the cutest revolver I've ever seen
The rod is threaded to screw into lead shot/bullet that hasnt been fired. The threads bite into the soft lead shot to remove unspent round from the barrel.