As mentioned by others, the plastic cable connector was install incorrectly. It should have been installed from the outside and the cable pulled through to the inside of the box. Also by code at least a 1/4 inch of the cable jacket must enter the box, not just the wires themselves.
The romex bushing needs to be inserted from the outside of the box, not as shown here. Also, the outer sheathing needs to pass through the bushing too, not just the insulated conductors. Both of these details are to help prevent pull out of the terminated wires if it's yanked on from the other side. If your existing box is closer to the center of the span between joists, use a different product than this one. Thanks for the video.
I was just going to say that. The connector is designed to keep the cable from being pulled out of the box. The way he put it is backwards and would allow the wire and connection to be pulled out.
Plastic KO connector is in backwards. Install from back side of box so it can't be pulled out and wire will not be allowed to slip back through. Otherwise great video man!
You are a life saver... I replaced an old ceiling fan only to find that the electric box was glued... yes glued into the ceiling... I have moved the box to a beam and all is well... THANK YOU
i had this issue, same mounting type, home owners put in a chandelier and it fell down because the plastic broke, replacing it with metal, thanks for showing me which gang box I needed.
Thanks for this! I’m taking down my old cast iron Hunter fans and they were just suspended from a hook though the joist so I’m happy to know I don’t have to go through the attic to attach a box because it’s a verrrrry long crawl.
I have an oscillating tool and always forget to use it for stuff like this. I was about to try and hack this thing out of the ceiling. Thx for the reminder.
I'm here because I'm a genius and decided to screw in my new ceiling fan base to the existing junction box that had plastic threading, stripping it instantly on step 1 of the install! go me.
Had a dude that was certified electrician install my fan.... come to find out it has a plastic box.... and the fan doesn’t work, most likely burned out or wired in wrong
Plastic boxes are what they use now as it being more modern and deemed safer due to the fact that you don't have to ground a plastic box as you have to do with a metal box. Grounding clip videos are hard to come by lol
Maybe I should just stick with my box fan. 😂 Your video does give me confidence that I can do this. I need to go buy me a tester first. I'm not trying to get fried. Thanks for the great details.
If the joist is right next to the box it means it is nailed downward through the joist. All you had to do is take a piece of wood and pound it straight up and let it fall on top of the ceiling. It can be left in there. You did a lot of work for nothing.
Awesome video. I'm new to home ownership and household repairs I try and do myself. Very helpful video. Best video I've seen so far. All the other videos had a support bar. I like this install better seems more simpler and l prefer this method. Thank you Sir!
We didn't have a power on the ceiling of the patio, and to bring it there I hired one electrician from a decent company "MileStone". He brought the wire there, but failed to cut the hole for the pan electrical box symmetrically, so the load bearing joist is going not through the center of that hole, but slightly shifted (not more that ~1/4"). The electrician attached the box not to the center of the stud, as a result, so the stud got slightly split, and the box itself was sitting on two #6 drywall screws (~1.5") and one big (~#12-14) short screw for metal on the end of the box. Maybe it would hold like that for couple years, but I like solid work, so decided to redo it. Not sure is it better to cut out the ceiling more (but then you need to patch it), or strengthen somehow the bottom of that joist in addition to the glue for wood "Gorilla" and pieces of wood I used with clamps to close the splits and unnecessary multiple holes the technician did. I would appreciate any opinion on the question: is it better to cut a bigger hole or just to strengthen that joist. Thank you for the great film.
Just read your post. I can’t stand shoddy workmanship. I do most all of my work and take my time. One method you might try is run a 2x4 between the joists and mount your box to that, it is stronger than you need or the contraptions sold. Just drill a hole for romex.
Good video Tomahawk! Only change I'd like would be very quiet music, or none. I appreciated you forgetting to pull the wire through. On DIY jobs mistakes are normal! You correct and move on..
I think the dremel is a little excessive you could just use a pair of diagnol pliers or a trusty hammer and screwdriver to brake the box. Also you put the connector in backwards possibly allowing the wires to be pulled out of the box.
So I used this type of box but for some reason the bracket holding the joists wiggle up and down by a little bit causing my fan to rock back and forward! It doesn't make sense that only one side of this is supported and the metal isn't stiffer
Any reason for the annoying music? I love the wonderful instruction-- useful, concise, plenty of specifics. I just can't separate out the music to isolate the instructional part.
I have an old house and there is no ground wire in the bedroom where I want to put a ceiling fan. Is there a way to install a ground without having to rewire my house?
Find studs with a magnetic finder (or just a neodymium magnet) that indicates drywall screws/nails. It's cheap, fits in the pocket, and has never failed me.
2:30 Why did you have to cut the screws that were holding the old junction box in? Why couldn't you just unscrew it? 3:35 Why did you have to cut the old junction box? 7:30 I thought you were going to have to cut a much bigger hole in the drywall to screw that support bracket in. The drill bit extension was smart.
Thank you. Good videos. You speak clearly, examples are in real time and so are the basic adjustments that anyone would make. Thanks so much!!! We are going to install a retrofit ceiling fan box and then the ceiling fan. :-)
Big help! Planning using a stronger gang box than plastic type. Holding up Elk antler chandelier. Wonder if there are ones rated more than 70lbs? Not sure, Thanks!
So you didn't do all that bc you needed to move the fan so it would go across the support beam? I thought you had to redo the hole for three box placement
Looks like you could have just installed the bracket by by screwing it in on one side to the existing mount, then slid it over as far as it will go and the other side would extend to the are of the joist that you found (If its a little short file away some of the inner bracket to allow it to extend further). Then just screw the opposite side into the joist.
Todd H a standard j box can’t hold the weight of a fan. It might work in the short term, but it would eventually fall down if an appropriately rated box is not installed.
@@getatmethree you can't say that it will eventually fall for sure. I have replaced many fans that were mounted incorrectly, of course I replaced the box with an appropriate one. I know celing fans can fall out, but I have personally never replaced one due to it falling...
why cannot the fan bracket be screwed directly to the joist. I know in your case it was a bit off . Just incase it was all lined up , would you still use a fan box?
I am approaching a dilemma and I cannot find any info on my next task so I thought I would reach out and see if I can get some feedback. I have and am sound proofing my middle bedroom to be my new home recording studio. The walls are secure with triple insulation including 1-1/2 rigid foam insulation sealed with insulation spray foam. This room is not only dead silent now it is completely air tight...except for my ceiling. The only thing left is the ceiling. My plan is to also apply the 1-1/2 rigid insulation sheets to the ceiling. Once done the entire room will be completely covered in 2-inch acoustic foam panels. Here's my issue. I need to drop my ceiling light fixtures down about four inches. Wiring is not a concern, but I'm not sure how to securely drop & mount the box to remount my lights to clear the double foam. Your thoughts?
Very good video. Now there is a question:: how would you do if your bean was located in another location far from your new box? What kind of replacement would you do?
I have the exact same situation where I need to take out a new work box without damaging the ceiling. What is the name of the tool that you used to cut the nails?
+jane Patton It's an oscillating multi-tool. You can buy an inexpensive one for under $50 on Amazon. Nicer ones will cost over $100. Here's a link to Amazon USA: amzn.to/2I7BeZy Amazon Canada: amzn.to/2wonLLw Amazon UK: amzn.to/2IolNji (affiliate links). Good luck with your project!
If you can access the attic and spot you are putting the J-box, that would help. In this install, it was in a multi unit condo with no attic access, so it was not an option.
If I understand your question right, you can screw a block of wood to the beam to fill the gap. But you'll need to be concerned that the screws and wood support the box adequately for weight of fixture.
So the support for the fan basically screws into the joist on the SIDE of it, not on top. Correct? And this will support the fan versus a basic light box?
Check out my video on the fan install. It shows that detail. In my installation, I installed the heavy duty junction box and then the fan support installed on the junction box, NOT to the side of the joist.
Good job, my ceiling fan light burned wiring but my fan still works do I have to replace the whole fan or just the light fixture? thanks for any advice
A customer of mine wants me to install a ceiling fan/light combination in a bedroom ceiling, which would replace an older fixture, but the problem is that she doesn't understand why a new and stronger box should be installed. This may also be hard to believe, but she wants me to install a ceiling fan/light fixture where the fan does not work, but she just likes the "look" of the fixture and only wants to use the light. No joke!
Sometimes you can't argue with the customer. She wants what she wants even if it doesn't make sense. She likes a light fixture that happens to be a ceiling fan. If it's safe take the money and run. Lol!
I have a question if you have existing wires for a light fixture but not wires for the fan separate of the light and you want to wire the fan separately so the fan it's self works on a different switch how do I do that
Roberto Santana you would have to run an additional wire(should be a different color) from your ceiling fan junction box over to your existing wall switch, then install a double switch junction box and add an additional switch
Just buy a fan that has a remote or wall control that switches the motor and light separately. They make ones that don't require the extra hot conductor.
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Thanks for the video! I found the repetitive background music to be distracting and annoying. I think your video would be more effective if you eliminated it.
you even show your mess ups. thats what happens when we do stuff like this. thanks for sharing
As mentioned by others, the plastic cable connector was install incorrectly. It should have been installed from the outside and the cable pulled through to the inside of the box. Also by code at least a 1/4 inch of the cable jacket must enter the box, not just the wires themselves.
The romex bushing needs to be inserted from the outside of the box, not as shown here. Also, the outer sheathing needs to pass through the bushing too, not just the insulated conductors. Both of these details are to help prevent pull out of the terminated wires if it's yanked on from the other side. If your existing box is closer to the center of the span between joists, use a different product than this one. Thanks for the video.
I was just going to say that. The connector is designed to keep the cable from being pulled out of the box. The way he put it is backwards and would allow the wire and connection to be pulled out.
I originally thought so too. Actually, that romex connector is designed to go in from inside the box.
Plastic KO connector is in backwards. Install from back side of box so it can't be pulled out and wire will not be allowed to slip back through. Otherwise great video man!
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You are a life saver... I replaced an old ceiling fan only to find that the electric box was glued... yes glued into the ceiling... I have moved the box to a beam and all is well... THANK YOU
Better than nothing. The one in the attic is loose completely and does not have a near beam. Looking for solution.
i had this issue, same mounting type, home owners put in a chandelier and it fell down because the plastic broke, replacing it with metal, thanks for showing me which gang box I needed.
This is a pretty accurate video. Always forget the most important thing - the wire - after everything is already installed
Thanks for this! I’m taking down my old cast iron Hunter fans and they were just suspended from a hook though the joist so I’m happy to know I don’t have to go through the attic to attach a box because it’s a verrrrry long crawl.
How did you remove hook
@@jeremybachmann2281 I just unscrewed it by putting an eye hook in my drill, hooking it on and letting the drill do the work. That was the easy part!
Same here!
Awesome video. I just had a blue box break and was wondering how in the heck I would fix it. I found this video, perfect fix. Thank you!
Glad it helped!
Most impressive remodel electrical video I've ever seen. Thorough, realistic, concise. (Commercial electrician here)
I don't want to do this..
I have an oscillating tool and always forget to use it for stuff like this. I was about to try and hack this thing out of the ceiling. Thx for the reminder.
Thanks for the video ! But it’s not easy ! Even one of my handyman was not 100 sure on installation one !
I'm here because I'm a genius and decided to screw in my new ceiling fan base to the existing junction box that had plastic threading, stripping it instantly on step 1 of the install! go me.
Better figure out your problem now than after the fan is installed and have it fall down on you!
I’m here because someone did exactly that n the house I just bought.
@@mrcodyhall Someone did it on my house too. People are idiots.
Had a dude that was certified electrician install my fan.... come to find out it has a plastic box.... and the fan doesn’t work, most likely burned out or wired in wrong
Plastic boxes are what they use now as it being more modern and deemed safer due to the fact that you don't have to ground a plastic box as you have to do with a metal box. Grounding clip videos are hard to come by lol
Maybe I should just stick with my box fan. 😂 Your video does give me confidence that I can do this. I need to go buy me a tester first. I'm not trying to get fried. Thanks for the great details.
I used the same exact kit, however I had access from above, great video!
If the joist is right next to the box it means it is nailed downward through the joist. All you had to do is take a piece of wood and pound it straight up and let it fall on top of the ceiling. It can be left in there. You did a lot of work for nothing.
Awesome video. I'm new to home ownership and household repairs I try and do myself. Very helpful video. Best video I've seen so far. All the other videos had a support bar. I like this install better seems more simpler and l prefer this method. Thank you Sir!
We didn't have a power on the ceiling of the patio, and to bring it there I hired one electrician from a decent company "MileStone". He brought the wire there, but failed to cut the hole for the pan electrical box symmetrically, so the load bearing joist is going not through the center of that hole, but slightly shifted (not more that ~1/4"). The electrician attached the box not to the center of the stud, as a result, so the stud got slightly split, and the box itself was sitting on two #6 drywall screws (~1.5") and one big (~#12-14) short screw for metal on the end of the box. Maybe it would hold like that for couple years, but I like solid work, so decided to redo it. Not sure is it better to cut out the ceiling more (but then you need to patch it), or strengthen somehow the bottom of that joist in addition to the glue for wood "Gorilla" and pieces of wood I used with clamps to close the splits and unnecessary multiple holes the technician did. I would appreciate any opinion on the question: is it better to cut a bigger hole or just to strengthen that joist. Thank you for the great film.
Just read your post. I can’t stand shoddy workmanship. I do most all of my work and take my time. One method you might try is run a 2x4 between the joists and mount your box to that, it is stronger than you need or the contraptions sold. Just drill a hole for romex.
I did not use this solution but your video was very clear and informative
Helpful! Often amazed at the short cuts done in our house, we have light fixture that was installed with no box.
Good video Tomahawk! Only change I'd like would be very quiet music, or none. I appreciated you forgetting to pull the wire through. On DIY jobs mistakes are normal! You correct and move on..
Great suggestion.
I think the dremel is a little excessive you could just use a pair of diagnol pliers or a trusty hammer and screwdriver to brake the box. Also you put the connector in backwards possibly allowing the wires to be pulled out of the box.
“Brake” the box? Lol! Wrong use of the word brake.
Id check for the support beam first. If not there, I couldn't see myself doing this part. I'm sure it's lack of self confidence
Wow we need more heavy holder for our fans thanks
So I used this type of box but for some reason the bracket holding the joists wiggle up and down by a little bit causing my fan to rock back and forward!
It doesn't make sense that only one side of this is supported and the metal isn't stiffer
You are super good. Thanks 👍
Thank you too!
Any reason for the annoying music? I love the wonderful instruction-- useful, concise, plenty of specifics. I just can't separate out the music to isolate the instructional part.
I have an old house and there is no ground wire in the bedroom where I want to put a ceiling fan. Is there a way to install a ground without having to rewire my house?
very helpful good job.
Find studs with a magnetic finder (or just a neodymium magnet) that indicates drywall screws/nails. It's cheap, fits in the pocket, and has never failed me.
Great video - thanks so much.
2:30 Why did you have to cut the screws that were holding the old junction box in? Why couldn't you just unscrew it?
3:35 Why did you have to cut the old junction box?
7:30 I thought you were going to have to cut a much bigger hole in the drywall to screw that support bracket in. The drill bit extension was smart.
That was a big help for what I am doing. Thanks.
Thank you. Good videos. You speak clearly, examples are in real time and so are the basic adjustments that anyone would make. Thanks so much!!! We are going to install a retrofit ceiling fan box and then the ceiling fan. :-)
Great video, but nix the music unless you’re using a high quality mic
Good job thankyou
Thank you
Thanks Mike. Very useful video
You're amazing
It's good to know that I'm not the only who tears the sh*t out of the drywall when doing a retro fit
I wish you would have explained the ground wire to the box. That is not included in the box install instructions or fan install.
He did mention it but didn't go into detail for installation
Great video. Thanks
Excellent. Where does the metal bracket, you screwed into the ceiling joist, go? Does it sit flat on top of the ceiling sheet rock?
Great video! Thanks for the information. Exactly what I was looking for!
Big help! Planning using a stronger gang box than plastic type. Holding up Elk antler chandelier. Wonder if there are ones rated more than 70lbs? Not sure, Thanks!
Your voice reminds me of Buster from Arrested Development.
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So you didn't do all that bc you needed to move the fan so it would go across the support beam? I thought you had to redo the hole for three box placement
The wire connector was put in backwards. Better than nothing.
How can you tell if the box installed is rated for a fan?
Looks like you could have just installed the bracket by by screwing it in on one side to the existing mount, then slid it over as far as it will go and the other side would extend to the are of the joist that you found (If its a little short file away some of the inner bracket to allow it to extend further). Then just screw the opposite side into the joist.
Todd H a standard j box can’t hold the weight of a fan. It might work in the short term, but it would eventually fall down if an appropriately rated box is not installed.
@@getatmethree you can't say that it will eventually fall for sure. I have replaced many fans that were mounted incorrectly, of course I replaced the box with an appropriate one. I know celing fans can fall out, but I have personally never replaced one due to it falling...
Thank you! Very helpful 👍🏾😁
Video helped me a lot. Thanks
Hard work, thanks
Very helpful. Thanks so much 😊
why cannot the fan bracket be screwed directly to the joist. I know in your case it was a bit off . Just incase it was all lined up , would you still use a fan box?
Thanks for the video!
wished i had finished watching the video, made the exact same mistake of putting skrews on the inside and had to undo it as well...
I am approaching a dilemma and I cannot find any info on my next task so I thought I would reach out and see if I can get some feedback. I have and am sound proofing my middle bedroom to be my new home recording studio. The walls are secure with triple insulation including 1-1/2 rigid foam insulation sealed with insulation spray foam. This room is not only dead silent now it is completely air tight...except for my ceiling. The only thing left is the ceiling. My plan is to also apply the 1-1/2 rigid insulation sheets to the ceiling. Once done the entire room will be completely covered in 2-inch acoustic foam panels. Here's my issue. I need to drop my ceiling light fixtures down about four inches. Wiring is not a concern, but I'm not sure how to securely drop & mount the box to remount my lights to clear the double foam. Your thoughts?
Good info. I'm hanging some lights on a porch with limited overhead space and think I'll use these hangers. A little less info would have been better.
Thanks!
Very good video. Now there is a question:: how would you do if your bean was located in another location far from your new box? What kind of replacement would you do?
Probably use a fan rated box that has the expandable supports.
Good video...thank you
I have the exact same situation where I need to take out a new work box without damaging the ceiling. What is the name of the tool that you used to cut the nails?
+jane Patton It's an oscillating multi-tool. You can buy an inexpensive one for under $50 on Amazon. Nicer ones will cost over $100. Here's a link to Amazon USA: amzn.to/2I7BeZy Amazon Canada: amzn.to/2wonLLw Amazon UK: amzn.to/2IolNji (affiliate links). Good luck with your project!
Tomahawk DIY Thx!
You're lucky that was romex (or bx). Solid conduit would not have been so simple.
Couldn't you just use a hacksaw to get the old box out? Instead of the Dremel?
Great video, what's your take on going in from the attic and working from there? It's a sauna up there and might be easier... what's your take?
If you can access the attic and spot you are putting the J-box, that would help. In this install, it was in a multi unit condo with no attic access, so it was not an option.
What kit was the one used?
How can you adjust the bracket if the wood beam isn't the correct distance from the hole?
If I understand your question right, you can screw a block of wood to the beam to fill the gap. But you'll need to be concerned that the screws and wood support the box adequately for weight of fixture.
Just what I need to know, thanks
So the support for the fan basically screws into the joist on the SIDE of it, not on top. Correct? And this will support the fan versus a basic light box?
Check out my video on the fan install. It shows that detail. In my installation, I installed the heavy duty junction box and then the fan support installed on the junction box, NOT to the side of the joist.
Good job, my ceiling fan light burned wiring but my fan still works do I have to replace the whole fan or just the light fixture? thanks for any advice
That's scary. Maybe there is a wiring problem. This could be a fire hazard. Get it checked by an electrician for your safety.
no good that is noT approval for UL any fan box need straight support not side support for shaking motor speed not confible
A customer of mine wants me to install a ceiling fan/light combination in a bedroom ceiling, which would replace an older fixture, but the problem is that she doesn't understand why a new and stronger box should be installed. This may also be hard to believe, but she wants me to install a ceiling fan/light fixture where the fan does not work, but she just likes the "look" of the fixture and only wants to use the light. No joke!
Sometimes you can't argue with the customer. She wants what she wants even if it doesn't make sense. She likes a light fixture that happens to be a ceiling fan. If it's safe take the money and run. Lol!
@@davidhalley9795 Haha, yes, you are probably right!
This was a disaster of a job. I hope you have good home insurance in case of a fire.
I have a question if you have existing wires for a light fixture but not wires for the fan separate of the light and you want to wire the fan separately so the fan it's self works on a different switch how do I do that
Roberto Santana you would have to run an additional wire(should be a different color) from your ceiling fan junction box over to your existing wall switch, then install a double switch junction box and add an additional switch
Just buy a fan that has a remote or wall control that switches the motor and light separately. They make ones that don't require the extra hot conductor.
just use remote control that is all because don't need extra wire for light because driver fan do it for you.
Yeah I’ll just pay the electrician… thought it would be easier :(
How do i install the fan?... i already know how to Change a box
See my other video on that very subject. ua-cam.com/video/BASrkcmH8YE/v-deo.html
A large flathead screwdriver would have removed that box in seconds.
where did you get that ceiling fan box
Edgar Martin any Home Depot or Lowe’s
Save the aggravation. Hire an electrician.
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What's the name for the junction box you used? I haven't been able to find one.
Listed in description
What the hell with the chirping birds?????
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Thanks for the video! I found the repetitive background music to be distracting and annoying. I think your video would be more effective if you eliminated it.
Where is it made?, please say the USA by an American company and not a Chinese shell company.
For gosh sake, take your rings off.
You need a real microphone and no music, unwatchable