2023 BMW R 1250 RS | Buy This Not The GS!!
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- Im out in sunny Spain once more riding more fantastic BMW motorcycles! This time I'm riding the BMW R 1250 RS a bike I rode back in 2019. The RS is such a brilliant bike should 80% of GS riders really be buying these instead??
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The reason people prefer adventure bikes over sports tourers is that there is better wind/weather protection, more leg room, much comfier, more pillion room, they handle our crap road surfaces better and you can ride stood up to stretch your legs. It's not all about if you go off road or not. Modern Adv bikes handle so well, so the average rider (like myself) can probably go as fast as they would on a sports tourer. I've always liked sports tourers and decided to trade in my GS for a KTM 1290 superduke GT for the same reasons you mentioned in the vid. After 1.5 years I've traded the GT in for a KTM Super Adventure S because I've come to the conclusion that there is no better all round, do it all bike than an adventure bike.
It's getting a bit boring with some youtubers telling adventure bike riders that they don't use it for what its intended, or they have bought the wrong bike. Give people some credit for knowing what they want from a bike.
If someone had told me I should skip my adventure bike time and go straight to the RS I could have saved money. The RS fits me better and when I did take my GS on forestry roads, there was dust everywhere, it was heavy as hell and I was too focussed on riding, standing, technique etc. It was not relaxing and peaceful. That's what my mountain bike is for. I totally hear you about the weather protection, comfort for taller folk - the RS definitely is smaller but for me, it's utterly perfect and so much prettier.
"they handle our crap road surfaces better" - ding ding
I routinely stand up on the pegs on my RS to occasionally relieve my left knee. Got a 300 mile ride planned for this Friday. Saturday will ride to the Concrete Fly-in. The RS is totally where it's at!
Which handles better, the RS or the GS?
@@holdencaulfied7492The RS, by a mile. Had both.
I and my R1250RS agree. For me, no better bike exists, and having owned a K1200RS and a R1100RS prior to this, possibly no better line of bikes. So pleased to see it getting some overdue attention.
An engine with a century of refinement on a platform with its own 40 year history. She's a big girl but after you get beyond that, a tremendous all rounder that loves high speed sweepers.
The massive torque of the 1250 Shiftcam is just a cherry on top. Total joy to ride.
I own a 2002 K1200rs and absolutely love it.
I am curious- how does the 20 year old K bike feel compared to the newer R1250RS? Is there anything you like about the K bike more?
@@LucasMuniz294 I had a new 2004 K1200GT, (last of the K1200RSs with some bits added), great bike but not a patch on the 1250RS which is a much more refined bike.
@@LucasMuniz294 Engine:
The R is 98 lbs lighter, with 6 more HP, 19 more ft-lbs of torque, and 11 MPG better gas mileage. The torque/weight difference means it can bolt away from a stop like a beast and enjoys lighter and more nimble handling at low speeds. It's geared differently though and while it pulls well into 110s and low 120s it hits a wall around 130 MPH and quickly loses steam. Power delivery gets buzzy at high RPM on the R where it doesn't on the K. R is more fun within legal speed limits, K is more fun outside of them. With an aftermarket exhaust I feel the R sounds better; K always sounded like an angry sewing machine to me.
Fueling is superior -- you can put it in any gear and let RPMs go down to idle and it'll happily chug along even up a gradient and not complain. Torque is out of this world great. Servicing is a breeze compared to the K -- can do your own valve checks in a half hour. Clutch replacements just require removing an engine cover plate, not separating the tranmission from the engine anymore. Excellent tuning kits available from companies like Brenntune to easily take things to the next level if desired.
Ergos:
K has slightly more leg rooom. RS no longer has multi-positional seat (or handlebars, or footpegs) and now you need to buy different $500 seat options from BMW for different heights. I'm 6'4" and was more comfortable on the K in highest seat positon than I am on R with sport (tallest) seat. Bars are lower on R meaning a slightly more agressive lean angle now; I put Heli risers on mine but didn't need them on the K. Seat is higher quality/more comfortable to my butt. Wind buffeting is worse -- you're going to want an aftermarket screen (I use an MRA Variotouring).
Other:
My K1200RS's OEM hard luggage had less space than my R1100RS and this is even less. Color-matched colored covers now, so that's a plus. Can still fit a full face helmet in rear case and another in left side, but everything else feels mroe cramped.
Get a GS and you will say the same
@@Pyrrho_ thanks for the detailed response! I appreciate it. Safe riding out there man!
Gotta be one of the most overlooked and underappreciated bikes out there. The want is strong for this one. Great video 👍
I bought my RS a couple of months back. So it's a 2022 Lite White sports with the red frame, full electronic suspension and all the bells and whistles including the Akrapovic exhaust. I did also buy the full luggage pack, panniers, top box and tank bag, for touring. The ease that these items come off is great also that they come with full internal bags is awesome. Now that mine is run in I can unleash the beast within the boxer. Anyone who doesn't like this has rocks for brains.
I own this bike in blue(2020) as a replacement of a GSA (which got stolen from my garage 😡🥴) I use it as a daily rider amd Love it. Extremely versatile and has no problems keeping up with my buddies’ Ducatis and aprilias on trips (which I do on a single gas tank fill while they have to refuel once)! Great bike that I fully recommend 👍🏼! Great video and I’m impressed with lambchop for picking up the only few small issues so fast! PS The quick shift and gearbox improve a lot after breaking-in the bike
Careful not to fall for that legendary BMW mythos, and hospitality, Chopsie 😊 Kudos, again, for at least honestly reporting, albeit briefly, the "slightly agricultural gearbox" and so so quickshifter and autoblipper. Kudos, too, for correctly nailing the sports tourer vs GS suitability for 90% of people who buy that land barge convinced they're riding the best vehicle on the planet.
It will be interesting to see the comparison test with the Guzzi, as I am pretty sure the gearbox and shaft drive are superior on the new Marandello. Plus, it doesn't have the cheapo stickers that save BMW a fortune finishing their bikes off.
Ridden a lot of bikes and the RS checks the most boxes. Sporty, comfortable, tourer, luggage flexibility, passenger comfort, daily rider. Great all around.
i'm definitely extremely interested in seeing the 1250RS and V100 go up against each other head-to-head. these two bikes are the only sport touring machines i'm currently considering. Spain would certainly be best, but where ever you can do a comparo will have to do. keep up the good work mate...
Great review thank you. I had a test ride of the RS at Ardens of Tunbridge Wells and loved it. As I’ve no intention of going off-road and measuring under 5’6 this bike fits. Taking delivery of my RS on 8th April😀 and touring with it in Germany and Spain this summer.
How do you like it so far? Thank you.
Another fantastic review, thanks 007. I know 2 adventure bike owners and neither venture off tarmac. Both put comfort ahead of handling. The last bike I rode with a 19” front wheel (and back wheel too) was my 1975 Norton 850 Commando.
You've answered the question about why the R1250R is overlooked🤣 If I had those roads, I'd definitely be in the market for the RS. Great video as usual!
Nice that you’re finding it possible to get to these launches now. Enjoyable review as yours always are.
Can’t wait to see you get a chance on a similarly nice day giving the V100 Mandello S a proper go. From what I’ve seen it’s miles better than the regular Mandello. Although this BMW should be better technically, but not in looks. The Guzzi is beautiful I’d take it for sure.
Another great review! BMWs most overlooked bike, the R1250RS, is probably the best all around road bike they make. I would buy lower bars and raise the rear sets so it fit me a little better but the chassis is great and that 1250 engine is a phenomenal, fun powerplant for road riding.
Great review Chops. After several GS’s I bought an RS and what a revelation it was. I put 5500 miles on it around the Scottish roads in 6 months before I had to sell it because my knees are buggered (technical term). I swapped it for an R Nine T, which I also love, because the R NineT was easier to move around the garage and didn’t hurt my knee as much, but the RS was a stonking bike.
I like the look of the RS way more than the GS. The GS has so much external 'pipework' they look like they should be serviced by a plumber.😂
Thanks for a thought-provoking review. Here in the eastern US, there are so many scenic mountain and forest roads that happen to be unpaved. For that reason, and the reason I’m 6’3”, the GS is the obvious choice for me. If I wanted to limit myself to paved roads, the RS would be more fun. Thanks again.
I finally test rode the 2023 RS a few weeks back while visiting Florida. BMW had their demo fleet at the local dealer. I was shocked... at how uncomfortable it was for me. The ride was not long, 20 to 30 minutes, and that was all it took to have my back hurting. Ergos are just too cramped (for me). Nothing like the R100RS I owned many years ago. Even the the three oil-head RSs I owned were more comfortable ergo-wise. It has too small a fuel tank for longer distances. To me, a true RS needs to have a six-plus gallon tank like all the RSs I owned, and really, the RS should have the same level of weather protection the original R100RS had. I think the R1250RS is more "S" than "RS". Which is fine. One "problem" I always had with all the RSs I owned was, you really needed to be hauling butt to be truly comfortable. This was great when I was stationed in Germany. Not so much here in the States where low speed limits on regular roads rule (except Texas). On my RT I can slow down and still be comfortable.... and still wick it up in the twisties :)
Great review Chopsy, you really get the bike. I have a 2022 version (essentially the same) & love it, HOWEVER there are caveats. You rode & liked it on fantastic Spanish roads - I live in Spain (Valencia) & have endless kilometres of circuit quality uncluttered roads on my doorstep, not to mention the weather & this bike makes total sense, you can really get the most from it. If I were back in the UK the outlook would be different - not so good, congested roads & speed cameras galore, so maybe there a GS (e.g.) might make more sense. Keep up the great vids💪✌
Love a good sport tourer! If you have not yet had a chance, you really need to make a trip to ride British Columbia, Washington, and Oregon. Twisties and beauty everywhere.
100% agree!
I came from a Tracer after 5/6 years to a 1200RS and it is super agile, even from a 200kgs standard wheight (witch it have more 35/40)
The smothness of the engine, the quick pull up from the go and the confort amaze me every day 👌✌️
I'm considering changing my Tracer 900 for the 1250RS. I love the Tracer a lot, but this bike really captivates me. Not just the tech differences but the reviews on comfort and that engine! The Tracer is a superb (in my opinion) bike but the RS might just tip the scales for me next years riding. Test ride time I think....
Your review is great as usuall) thanks a lot! i'm waiting for a long term test in the UK of this wonderfull bike)
After briefly owning an earlier RS , I went back to the RT which is more practical for long distance touring.
Great video I am sure we crossed path as you were testing this bikes . I feel the luckiest person in the world living at this beautiful landscape and tweeties .done this roads so many times and never ever get bored😅
I have had both the RS 1250 and the GS 1250, the GS is superior to tour on. I think the RS is a little too small. It is Very Fast and does handle better than the GS, Great Video, Thanks
I haven't ridden the RS, however my GSA is ideal for 2 up riding and the wind deflection leaves me in a bubble of calm air. I have my ninja 1k for sport touring.
However, I won my GS and if I were buying I'd heavily consider the RS just based on price.
Great review as always; it’s so nice to watch content from someone who has been riding almost as long as me! That depth of experience really shows through, and puts you ahead of most of the other You Tubers, who have only been riding a few years. Keep up the good work.
Great review, those roads and scenery are epic!
Chops, you and Greg need to do a King of the Sports Tourer test…
BMW 1250 RS vs Guzzi V100 mandello.
Then Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX vs Suzuki GSX 1000 GT, Then a grand final head to head with the winner of each category, sound good 🤷🏻♂️??
Spot on, John! My, by no means humble, attitude towards many GS owners are that they desire to belong to a pack (of other GS riders), even if they don't ride like ones in need of a GS. Perfectly fine bikes by all means, but why get a hard on just to have something "fancy" to show off in the garage...
Shhhhh Chopsy, it’s BMWs secret tool. Every bugger will be buying them instead of GSs now ! Great bike, no issues with the quickshifter blipper in the higher gears, just a bit clunky at times 1-3rd up, no issues going down the box. Loving mine, will prob get another when they put the 1300 engine in it in a few yrs time - just wish our roads would dry out like the Spanish ones atm
I have no idea why you would buy the 1300 when the 1250 engine has so much to offer and this bike cannot be ridden to it's limit on public roads. Unless you wear it out ;)
@@wandering_armadillo probably because they’ll stop making the 1250 and superceed it with a 1300 engine 🤷🏻♂️
1300 is on the way. There are leaked photos from testing unit plus website leak with 1300 and 1400 models...
@@wandering_armadillo it will have the adaptive cruise control is one good reason for covering long distance on motorways/freeways/Autobahns.
I'm thinking the same thing and keeping my R1250RS to rent out.
Best RS review ever! Especially when in the last years the handling was often said to be lacking. Looks like the best sport tourer if you really go on multi week long trips because of the cardan drive. The new Moto Guzzi V100 is also pretty cool.
I reckon you are spot on with your comment. I suspect a lot of riders buy the wrong GS for their needs....
r1200RS owner here...Hugely underrated bikes... this and the R. Great machines.
Thanks for the great video. I am supposed to be taking delivery of a new R1250RS in two days. It will be my first new bike since a 1987 GSXR750. Your video confirmed what I pretty much knew: This IS the bike for me. I owned a 1983 Honda CB1100F back in the day. That was the best all-around bike that I've ever owned (out of 16). I don't understand why dealers seem to have many GS models, but seldom more than one RS. Apparently, the GS sells like crazy; I don't understand why. But what a superb review you've done. Kudos!
Morning John, great timing this review, i'm off to demo an RS SE today !!!! just aside, the vid is stuttering for the first part but not enough to distract!! well done!
-Glad you had so much enjoyment on this. I would have been grinding my teeth constantly coming up behind riders like that.
Another quality review. I had a 2022 1250RS and loved it . I guess I’m just use to adv style bikes and have test ridden a 2023 1250GS Trophy and put a deposit down on one. I find the GS better for all round riding, though I do think the RS is more stable in high speed sweepers.
That engine is a pearler .
Beautiful roads and scenery....and no potholes ad cracks .
One of the few if only bike journalist who can ride effortlessly at pace in a focused manner while being able to talk to an audience simultaneously, that's another level of ability right there
Absolutely Chops track experience makes it possible
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Good review again Lamb Chop.
I ride a 7 year old K1300S. I was riding with a friend who bought the first iteration of this R1250 RS. The thing was so sharp through the bends I couldn’t keep him in sight. In a drag race it was a very close thing but in the twistiest it slayed my K.
Hi Chopsie I bought one! Didn’t want to follow the sheep in the GS flock 😅 Love it
I owned one of these and a GS, GS all day long for me.. much prefer the tele lever front fork.. great review
I've been on a BMW RS of some kind for over 40 yrs. A new one is on the way spec'd to my desires. I'd like to wait til the 1300/1400 water cooled aluminum frame version comes along but I need to get on with it at 68. More later. Twist the Grip, RTW.
I totally agree with you on which bike is better for the road, it's the RS all day long. Let's face it, here in the UK, not many will be taking their very expensive, fully laden, GS off-road-maybe a car park or a campsite and that'll be it!
Well, loved the test ride, ordered, collecting in 2 weeks !!!!!
Hope you enjoy it! Nice choice 👍
Another great real world bike test, love the content, really looking forward to the comparison test between the Moto Guzzi V100 Mondello and the R1250RS...... hurry up and make that happen 😊😊
Totally enjoy my R1250R with bags, proper windscreen, and hand guards for hot rodding and touring👍
Please consider adding the KTM SDGT to your comparison comments. Love your review - thank you!
Look forward to the Mandello /R1250RS comparo. Straight away I can say I prefer the fairing to the standard non-fairing version. Just add heated grips,seat and a top box - perfect day/weekend sports tourer with shaft drive - hate messy chains,they're a deal breaker.
I've taken my R1200rs offroad.... Surprise surprise, almost every bike can do tarmac, unpaved roads, and light offroad.... Like any SUV does.... I also have a 1250GSA and the only comparison it's with a 4x4 Jeep, I do Trails and heavy offroad on it, very long distances. The RS is my daily conmuter and the GSA my weekend Warrior. 😎
picked up mine 1st April 2023..(now 04/04/23). after only a few short hours in the saddle i could not agree more. absolutely fantastic bike. coming from an FJR13300 and a Z1000SX this 1250RS blows them away. just to say, i would have bought the RS on the back of that review.. lol
Had a GS, got the RS, the RS is a better bike for the road, as for the "quick shifter", it's described as "gear shift assist" by BMW and, as long as you're a little more firm with the lever, it works brilliantly, mines butter smooth up and down the box. There's a comment about the GS having better wind and weather protection, no it hasn't, if anything it's slightly less. As for standing up to stretch you legs, I do it as often as needed when I'm doing distance abroad but, I am a shortarse so it's arguably easier for me. Hands down one of the best bikes I've ever owned, so much so, I'll be having a 24 model around August time, to put that comment into perspective, I've been riding 50 years this year, ridden most things, raced in my younger days, and this RS is one of the best bikes you've never ridden.
I know a chap who has a 999R Ducati, remember them, he also just got one of the final editions of the Panigale V2 in the nice paint scheme, and just about to get delivery of a V4R, with race pipes and the special thin oil from Shell £45,000, but he did get a handsome trade in for his BMW HP4.👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🇬🇧
Underated fun bike.Thanks.
I would agree with your criticism. BMW missed an opportunity to make the RS less touring and more sport orientated. The gearbox is probably the biggest technical "issue" with the boxer, but it's something you can work around. The shift lever likes quick forceful inputs that follow through to the stop (both directions). Quick shifter also works best above 4k, and 2nd to 1st is best achieved as a manual shift, always.
I'm glad you spoke up about the nuances of the quick shifter- it has utility that has to be explained.
How would you make it more sport oriented? For 99% of the riders it is more sport capable then they are, and certainly more than you should be riding on public roadways anyway. BMW already makes 4-cylinder bikes that are 'more sport oriented', but the beauty of the RS is in how you get that kind of performance in a bike that's comfortable enough, and confidence inspiring, to be able to ride all day.
I have an older R1150-RS, and I'm well away its dated in respect to power and technology, but what it has is decent power and handling in a bike I've taken for a weeks ride in the mountains of Virginia & W. Virginia, then ridden it back home over 900-km. in comfort. My brother has a newer R-1200-RS and has similar compliments to it as expressed in this review.
Less touring and more sport oriented= S1000XR
Had a 2019 Sport model (no bells or whistles). Great motorway or long sweepy road bike, but never had any confidence in the front end and always seemed to be pushing and rolling rather than dropping into corners due to the (maybe too) low C of G. Not good enough for UK twisty roads and a PIA to heave about on an incline. I wasn't doing 2/3 European tours a year due to Covid, so sold it. Happy to have had it, but don't really miss it.
If you like feeling super connected to the Moto, or you love really riding hard on the track (not on this, but i’ve seen them on the track) and don’t line being a human wind sail on an ADV style bike, the RS, the Ducati Supersport, the Guzzi v100 are the way to go
Looking forward to the comparison with the V100 😊
ive had one since 2019, chose this model due to a long test ride, local dealer is good, and wanting to get away from sportsbikes, i,m old now. I still love it, only complaints are, screen could be 2" inches taller even though i,m only 5.5" and its a little top heavy at very low speed, ive dropped it twice, happened very quickly and still cannot explain it. good video, love the look of those roads :).
Nice riding!
Great review LCR and definitely make sure it’s on a fair playing field against the Mandello S. The Ohlins on the V100 make the world of difference.
I suppose if you like BMW and can afford one , seems to be the Swiss army pocket knife bike to have . Loved the on road views, Spain looks awesome for riding . The comparison on UK roads will be interesting. For the moment I’ll stick with my SX . Great video thanks for sharing Chops .
Just bought a late model R1200RS and the first things I want to change are bars to wider tubular bars and seat to higher seat….basically turning it into a GS Lol😂. Much preferred the legroom and all day comfort of my old GSA but the RS is lighter snd more flickable with better front end feel. I got fed up with the bulk of the GSA but if I can make the RS as comfortable then it will prove to be the best bike I’ve owned in 39 years of riding. Not the quickest, not the most sporty, not the best tourer but as a true all rounder it does everything well and in some ways betters the GS as the all round king. Adventure bikes are 99.9% used purely on road. The RS is the better road bike. Great review Chopsy👌
I went to the London bike show determined not to buy another GS. But having sat on umpteen bikes including the RS that slightly greater legroom on the GS was sufficient to not sway me. The replacement GS arrived on Tuesday 😅
Great review and definitely all over the gs.
I love my 2015 R1200RS. I'd love a 1250. I imagine the GS has a higher 'peg to seat' height which would make the GS a bit more comfortable. I do find the RS a bit short for me in that measurement but still love it. I can't believe that BMW still mount the GPS in that location on the handle bar. I moved mine to above the instrument cluster on a Moto Mate bracket. Looks heaps better and a more logical location. Watching from Australia.
Also, BMW quick shifters are a bit clunky out of the factory. My F900's one was awful, but an SC Project pipe and a tune made it buttery smooth.
When I had it serviced a year back, they gave me an R1250r which also had an aftermarket products exhaust and the quick shifter was also much better than stock.
I'd agree the Guzzi Mandelo is the direct competitor to this RS BMW, but there is another sport touring contender that has been overlooked - the Ducati SuperSport 939. Admittedly the Ducati is a smaller machine, not as appropriate for two-up riding, but the payback is lighter weight and better twisty road capabilities.
Great review, tempted but don’t think I could give up the GS’s endless luggage capacity for 2 up camping trips etc, looks stunning though. Good work LC.
I'm 100% with you. I also have a GS (my second one). On top of what you mentioned, I'd like to add the suspension travel on the GS (190/200mm vs 140/140mm) and the absence of the Telelever at the front would most likely make a difference on not-so-nice-like-in-Spain pavement. That said, the RS looks stunning and I would add it to my collection if I could. The RT is my next purchase...for touring purposes with the Lady.
I've ridden the 1200 and 1250RS but each time I've gone for a GS. The main reason being at 5'7" I found the reach to the bars to much, which then compromised my rear vision shoulder checks , couple this with the mirrors being further away than on the GS so the angle of vision available through them was less I just didn't feel it was for me even though it'a better road bike. At least BMW are FINALLY doing it in a decent colour scheme after years of mundane colours after they ditched the original Lupus Blue and White version.
Couldn't agree more re. colour scheme choices Adrian. About bloody time. Sick to death of 'any colour you like as long as it's some shade of grey or black (or' funeral blue')'. It's why I went for Austin Yellow - best of a bad bunch at the time.
Another great video Chopsey 😎… Gutted about the camera error, looks like you lost some of the best bits of the route! 😢
Really nice presentation. It's amazing how quickly you can ride these big sport-tourers and ADVs, in comfort and with good fuel range!
The thing is a gs can still also do everything that the RS can do with the added bonus of going off road if needed ,also most the roads in the uk are off road surfaces these days so an adventure bike is still the way to go in my eyes .
@@singingdog8 I ride a big ADV, too, and it makes a great sport-touring bike. I think the guy on the GS in front of Chopsie made your point. 🙂
Appreciated that comparison with the GS, would love the comparison to 1250R.
owned a 15 r1200rs , it was a gas to ride for a year ,suspension, travel a bit to short and stiff for multiple day rides , wore out rear shock in one year , bought a 15 tiger 800 , upgraded suspension with Wilber’s much more fun and comfortable,parts cheaper and easier to work on, not as fast.
Nice one Chopsy. I enjoyed the comments as much as the video 😂👍
Another great review. Lovely roads and weather, would have been a blast. Personal thing but I’m not a fan of boxer twins or the looks but it’s got a great niche.
I hope Moto Guzzi develop a Le Mans (VI) version of the Mandello with similar performance to the Bimmer. I’d sell my Rocket 3 for that.
Hey Chps, I realy enjoyed this vid. Personally I like sports tourers due comfort, back and age. Idont normally like the boxer look but I think the 1250rs looks realy good and when im riding again wont go off tarmac, so no need for any adventure or gs type bikes
Great roads, wish I had some like that on my doorstep! I’ve been riding for 40 years and for the last 10 years I’ve not owned a car and use my bike for commuting & pleasure. I average 11,000 miles per year - small commute to work, twisties every Sunday, & long boring motorway miles to BSB races, and a few European excursions
My current bike is a 2021 1250RS, prior to that I had an XR1000, and before that I had a GS1200.
For me the RS is easily the best in every aspect especially handling & comfort, and most importantly smiles per mile! (Yeah the XR has more power but the GS & RS have power & torque where you need it)
Absolutely brilliant bike. Nothing more needs to be said. Alan
Engine is longitudinally mounted, not transverse. The same with Moto guzzi.
Regular Motorcycle engines are transverse.
What’s a “Regular Motorcycle “?
I have prior seriously considered R1200RS/R1250RS.
So many rightly praise the GS models ...often with focus on the engine(s) & how they deliver.
I see the relevance of the GS ...IF wanting a higher up riders eye view, to genuinelly venture off road or maybe better cope with dangerous condition UK roads.
If able to be best proactive with UK road surface imperfections then arguably the RS models make more sense.
John, after watching you for a couple of years....I have come to the conclusion that if I tied your hands up, you wouldn't be able to talk lol.
Great insight into the rs and looking forward to the match off against the guzzi.
Top tip, about 4:14 ish , the front brake doesn't do much when you're wheelie-ing ! But then you know that better than me, because you've almost certainly done way more wheelies than me !!!
Came from a SDGT to this bike. Love it. Mine no heated seat and no lean angle TFT but other than that. That shaft drive is so nice on long trips. Put some Conti Road Attacks on it and bam. You are going to be able to really fly
Considering this as well. No regrets? What made you decide to change?
@@arnofrom9350 my particular SDGT had many problems unfortunately. Starter, MTC, fuel pump. You name it. It had it. When it ran it was the best but it would break on long trips and that is unforgivable
The last time I rode one of these was 2 years ago and after a motorway stint of 30 miles my back was aching. So I bought the 900xr. But I think it deserves another go when the warranty is up on my "Little" 900XR. I was dead set on a GS but maybe that's because I watch too many Teapot videos...
Can't wait to watch that comparison as both are on my shortlist to replace my R1200R LC. I previously chose the naked R version as it felt so much more agile and a fly screen enabled touring to South of Spain regularly and trips to Poland and Malta no problem. Why buy a GS? Simple, you get to act like an adventure hero on your way to Waitrose
I totally get and agree with your sentiments about using an ADV bike as an ST for riding sealed roads. Why, when you can get the better bike for paved road touring through the good road areas, like highland and mountain roads? I found your observation that the GS rider had to take wider lines interesting. The lean forward position is the better ergonomically as well as for handling. Better aerodynamics too, for less fatigue at the end of the day. The RS' 18litre fuel tank however, does limit range, which when having fun in the twisties, is always a concern.
That looks like absolute heaven 🇪🇸 The RS sounds pretty perfect despite the weight and little niggles.
One could be on any machine on those roads and have a ball. Wonderful place to test a bike.
I never liked "adventure style" bikes, just the look of them (well, apart from my Himalayan!) so this is the R I'd go for.
I'll be taking one out for a spin in a few weekends. Looking forward to evaluating it against the V100 and my Z1000SX...
I also love the idea of the new Guzzi, but I live in Western Australia and my rides take me into the middle of nowhere.
Last thing I want is a bike that makes me worried that it's not going to start.
I Guzzis are better than they used to be, but still.....
Chopsy it's all your fault. Watched your video. Went for a test ride. Chopped iny KTM 1290 SUPERDUKE R for the BMW, first proper ride today over in Wales, wow what a great bike, thanks Chop sy
Great review and I’d have the RS over the GS anyday
curious how the low to early mid range feels compared to the older bike. I have a 2015 R1200RS ( no shift cams) and its a great all rounder, but the one complaint I've always had was the 1st-2nd grade was so sluggish an anemic. Once going and flowing - great! Has that improved dramatically or more subtle change.
Love your videos Man FJR Yamaha that should be in the comparison also even though it's on its way out think about it
It's a crying shame Yamaha is no longer supporting the FJR. I own a 2018 and they are awesome bikes for a fraction of the price of other bikes in its category.
I owned a K1200 GT & while a great long distance bike, find my GS to be much more fun due to it versatility. Changing tires back and forth from knobbies to touring sucks but other than that the bike really does do it all.
When you do the head to head with the Guzzi it should be with the Mandello with the Öhlins
Absolutely love the look of traditional sports tourers, and touring on a sport naked on multi-day motocamping trips doesn’t leave my back aching, but what does get to me after a while in the saddle at 6’2 is knee soreness. That’s reason alone may sway me towards a GS even though I’d rarely go off road, but then again, a few test rides on both bikes might tell me whether the knee bend on the RS is tolerable. I really DO like it…
Believe me at your height the knee bend on the RS will not be tolerable after a long day in the saddle. Speaking as an ex owner of one and just under 6 ft height😊
@@brianmcbain6997 man…that’s a bummer to hear, greatly appreciate the owner’s insight! Then again, no one will ever claim a GS is a poor consolation prize either, I’ve just never got on with the looks. Maybe the 1300 redesign will suit me better 😉
Can't wait for that comparison Chops kook forward to that one. By the way what part of Spain were you in, looks awesome, cheers mate