7.5 hours a week is a joke, we have to be honest. We can all agree, vast majority of people who end up researching monitors and go into the nitty gritty of oled burn in are not playing 7.5 hours a week... you could triple that and even then we'd be at the minimum.
i have about 12000 hours in 2,5 years. For both work(programming) and Gaming on the C2 42" W-OLED. I do not have the service remote, and 12k is based on daily use calculations. When going lowest brightness and grey screen i can barely see the burn in, there is some from taskbar and split screen. when adding just a little more brightness it stops showing the burn in, and in normal content there is no way to see it. W-OLED seems the way to go, or im just very lucky. I do not realy babysit my OLED. But i do hide my icons, Hide my taskbar. and have all the OLED features enabled.
you're right. absolute rookie numbers. i play more than that a DAY. dont even mention a week. ppl who only play 8 hours a week indeed arent researching monitors this deep.
I have used the same Monitor for 3151 hours and I have had two instances where the pixels just got stuck, there was a red line, the second one just happened last week. All I had to do was a manual image cleaning from the Monitor's settings and it was good as new. No Visible Burns in whatsoever and it just runs perfectly.
@@rayquazahere8529 yeah, if you got something working for you and you are fine with it, I'd just stick to it, more OLED Monitors are flooding the Market and their prices should start to become more competitive and little less pricey
I've used mine for 1877 hours and have had no issues. No burn in or image retention. I let the monitor do it's image cleaning and refresh programs every time it promps.
@@jnst8295 Its definitely possible for someone that games after work or something. There's breaks in-between that where the monitor would stay on but no use (for example, going to eat I usually don't turn off my monitor).
The problem here is the distance from monitor to our eyes. Also, there was a study that confirmed we blink not that often when we watch something on monitor is especially play game. And blinking is very important for eyes
Well that’s actually a thing that scientists hailed as a way to catch criminals back in the day… except you had to have the eye submerged in a substance looking at a perfectly stationary object for 30+ minutes and it was super bad quality and even then the “burn-in” didn’t last long.
I know exactly what you mean about burn-in anxiety, and compulsively switching off the monitor even if you're leaving for just a few minutes. Haha. Very nice update, thank you!
3 hours is freaking nothing lmao, i remember when i used to play 1 hour a day because i had to do homework, now people these days play almost 6 to 8 hours a day
I have an Dell Alienware AW3423DW and did buy it right after launch date - it does an run matiance program every 1500 hours and it did it the 3 time last week so around 4500 hours and so far 0 issues about burn in with this model - best screen I have ever owned without a doubt.
I've used an LG C1 as a Monitor from January 2022 til October 2023, since I'm quite addicted and also did home office from it, it was on for like 10-14h per day on average (yes, it hurts to type these numbers...), so probably over 8000h in total (speaking of active use time with content displayed) I had a screensaver set to black that kicked in after 10 minutes of inactivity, and screen-off after 30 minutes, just for the rare case that I forget about it. I really didn't care for the panel at all lol, even disabled the annoying auto dimming in the service menu, had a static task bar and my browser window in the same place every single day. Really the only good thing I did for it was that I left it below 25% brightness all the time because I just can't stand bright screens. So... This shouldn't sound like I recommend treating your OLED screen as terribly as I did, but I really can't find any sign of Burn in whatsoever, even on 100% brightness with these special test images for different color combinations. But I guess it's possible that my 100% brightness isn't what it used to be, after all those automatic pixel refreshes that happen after 4h use time once you turn off the screen. But 100% brightness is still WAAAAAY to bright for me, so even if that's the case, it won't matter for me for a long time, something else will probably die before that.
This matches my own experience of using a 48C1 for over 7500 hours now. I disabled the protections because I found them annoying when using it as a monitor. I have HDR enabled at all times in Windows, but the SDR content brightness is at 0/100 (80 nits) because I get headaches from looking at an overly-bright screen all day. No signs of uneven wear/burn-in so far. The only thing I do is set a 4 hour sleep timer when I switch it on, so the short compensation cycles (6 minutes) can run on-schedule. And I'll delay putting the screen on standby if that happens to be an inconvenient time. But I shouldn't be sitting for that long without taking a break to walk around anyway.
Wow that sounds a lot my use scenario. I'm just like you who doesn't touch grass and also work from home. I also hate bright screens so I set every monitor I got to 0% brightness. However that's just about 2 years of usage. I expect a monitor like this to last me at least 5 years preferably 10. I'll still stick to LCD for now, until I can get a massive boost of performance with a new graphics card, I'll be observing.
this is the type of content we need. Im so on the brink of buying oled but I work from home 3 days a week. (so not even fulltime). besides that I game about 11-20 hours per week. this kind of video makes me feel more easy to use it for both office and gaming. I rarely use anything without dark mode so I feel confident I can survive many years without disturbing image retention
techless always surprises with good insights and with a high standard in his videos. I agree, he helps people making an unbiased purchase choice - sometimes it seems only one type of OLED is being covered when the focus of the hype is elsewhere. It is save to say, that if you use an OLED mindfully, we should not be too worried about premature "permanent electroluminescent layer degradation".
I used a LG C9 as my main monitor and content viewing device for 3 years before recently replacing it with a C3. Also work from home about half the time as well. Zero issues with burn in. Heavy usage. The C9 got moved to another room and is still rocking.
There is no more dicussion to be had. My 55" LG OLED55B7A (2017) has over 10,000 hours _as a Windows PC monitor_ with _zero_ image retention. I mean literally zero during normal viewing, and negligible when examined with 5% Red, Green, and Blue slides in a pitch-black environment. And again, this is a 2017 model, which can be assumed to be inferior to later models in regard to retention. So what's the deal? What's the trick? The fact of the matter is that OLED technology is only for a person _who knows exactly why he wants OLED instead of some other tech._ This person understands that there are certain operating procedures and usage habits that must be adhered to if image retention is to be avoided, and is willing to accept this in exchange for the benefits that can not be realized without spending orders of magnitude more. First: If you do not view movies or video games/simulations in a theatre-dark environment, the OLED's major benefit --- true black --- can not even be perceived. If you view in a lighted environment, pupillary constriction will make the blacks of an OLED and LCD identical... which is worse for the OLED because all of the shadow detail _between_ the "LCD black" and true black is now invisible, or "crushed". Second: An OLED is for a person who is into maximizing immersion. In order to avoid image retention: > Remove _all_ desktop icons > Hide the Taskbar > Set the desktop background to either black or 50% white (i.e. grey). > *Make your **_standard_** OLED Light (brightness) setting very low.* On my OLED55B7A, I use '10'. The reason I chose '10' is because the ridiculous automatic brightness reduction "feature" actually _increases_ the brightness to '10' when it is set below '10', just like it spontaneously decreases the brightness to '10' when set above this value. This means that '10' is the setting at which this "feature" is effectively disabled (if not _actually_ disabled). It should be O.K. to temporarily increase the OLED Light setting when playing a game (even though it's probably not necessary when playing in the dark as one _should_ be), but it should never be increased past, say, '6'. _Brightness is the single most important variable when it comes to image retention on any type of OLED display._ > When using Windows or another OS, make sure that you don't use the same windows at the same size in the same place indefinitely. If you have certain programs with windows that you use at specific sizes, it's not hard to get into the habit of moving them to different spots every few days > Periodically examine your display in the manner indicated in the first paragraph. This will ensure that if you are doing anything wrong, or not doing enough, you can catch the problem before its visible under normal viewing circumstances. If your display _does_ accumulate any retention, the "pixel refresh" cycle will completely eliminate it, and in my experience, actually make the image better than it originally was, with more uniformity. This is the "serious" refresh cycle that is either done manually, or apparently automatically after so many "thousands?" of hours. In over 10K hours I never once activated it manually (I did not see the need), but it did automatically occur at least once that I know of, and the results genuinely impressed me. If an OLED is taken care of, there may or may not be retention that comes and goes, depending upon your usage. But the point is that there should not be any _accumulation_ of retention. It should all average out.
@@d1gw33d Same here: Hv been using my LG B9 for far more than 10.000 hours over last 3 years. I studied with it during lockdown, wrote hundreds of documents and some thesis on it, and ofc I gamed alot on it. I use it for media consumption as well... and I gotta tell you, ZERO BURN IN. This thing runs 6 - 10 hours a day and the only thing I did against burn in was using the display in energy saving mode during "working hours". Always gaming @full brightness in HDR. I love this display. And for me personally, the display is not to dark to work with in its Energy-Saving-State. Greetings from Germany
@@bricaaron3978 Thanks for the long post. Regarding the desktop background, could you just use a moving Wallpaper Engine background as well? With all the points I see one important takeaway, which is the brightness setting. The brightness at 70% with the new displays is more than enough (for me at least) and should contribute to longlivety.
I got mine back close to release January 2023. And I have 2615 hours on it at 100% brightness, contrast 60, black stabilizer 0, sharpness 100. As far as I can tell there is no issues with the monitor by looking at it. With a grey background there isn't anything I can see that looks like a burnt in image.
OLED monitors are the next anxiety source that I don't need in my life. Trying to avoid leaving static content on the monitor all the time in my subconsciousness sounds terrible.
@@ceciliacole5098 Yeah that's where the issue is. If I'm using a monitor, thoughts like "damn, did i left the monitor with max brightness?" should never come to my mind. I'm sorry but these issues will never go away with OLEDs until they start giving 10 year burn-in warranty then I would buy one without a second thought.
The benefits of oled far outweigh the perceived anxiety, especially when you can just set you monitor to turn off or have a moving screen saver after a couple minutes of no use. I’ve been using an oled tv and monitor for 5 years now, putting 40 hours of gaming time on them a week with tons of static huds and not a hint of burn in on either
I'm not a person who have a patience to bother about monitor safety - I like keeping my ips monitors turned on for longer and I don't want to change wallpapers, icons lay out and hide the task bar. I use my pc for about 5 hours per day on avarage but it happens that I do much longer sessions (up to 12 hours). If there is risk of burn in just after 1-2 years of intense usage it's a huge No No for me. Monitors should last at least 4-5 years if not much longer. That's why I appreciate all these tests because I wouldn't want to regret a purchase that is so expensive 🙏 I'm planning on switching to 1440p this or next year but I'm not in a hurry and might choose an IPS panel instead. Gonna be patient and wait for technology to develop a bit more. These OLEDs are still far from perfect. Would be cool to see MicroLED monitors one day...
@@lemonke5341 It really is, looks like I have just luck. My entire PC is 11 years old too and runs just fine, only change I made is SDD and GPU. i7 4770k just don't want to die
Tbh, I’m not overly concerned about burn in on my oled. I use it a lot, but the image cleaning, pixel shift and other burn in protocols combined with the use of MLA should mean that by the time I need a replacement panels should be considerably more affordable and resilient to burn issues. I don’t want my enjoyment of the panel to be hampered by a fear of burn in so I’m using it as freely as I did my previous IPS monitor. Brightness is set to 100% for hdr content and 70% for sdr. I do turn the screen off if I’m away from it for more than several minutes and have the screen saver settings activated. I have a laptop for productivity work so the screen is only utilised for gaming and the occasional video playback. The picture quality gains more than make up for the shortened lifespan of the panel imo.
I have this monitor for about 6 months with 1200 hours, LG27GR95QE-B, i have used it for playing MMO's such as WOW/FFXIV with static user interface, I tried running these color videos and sadly there is a little bit of image retention that does not go away with either of Image or pixel cleaning, i wasn't having pixel shifting on and brightness was always at 100%. So if you really want to play MMOs with an OLED try hiding the user interface as much as you can if you don't use it. Also avoid having brightness at 100% for SDR, 70% will be around 100 nits which is more than enough and make sure to toggle on pixel shifting. Nevertheless, The image retention is only visible with a bright white screen and it's very minor and not and not noticeable in games or movies. The monitor still looks as beautiful as it is on Day 1 😘
I also have some permanent image retention on my ~5 years old OLED, and it's only barely noticable in some rare circumstances. And even then, despite my quite severe OCD, having noticed it I forget about it almost immediately since the image quality is still simply so stunning. When after using OLED for 4,5 years I got myself an IPS monitor as an auxiliary all-purpose display I though it was defective out of the box. Sold it off after a year since I just couldn't get used to it no matter what. Looked dismal and caused some noticable discomfort/eye strain to me as well. Honestly, this sucks since I can no longer afford an OLED these days.
~10-12h per work day, Work from Home + some gaming/studying/watching videos etc. My almost 3y Acer IPS 27" have over 8k hours in total. I really doubt that OLED is suited for such a use (with static content and very bright room) so I really can't switch even though I was thinking about it.
I'm at ~12K hours with my 77" LG G1 and I haven't had issues with burn-in yet, I've never manually pixel refreshed my display. My OLED Pixel Brightness has mostly been at 0% though with black stabilizer set to 20 (max) Taskbar auto hides, desktop wallpaper is black, mouse pointer is black with a white outline, and I've barely ever forgotten to turn it off but the PC goes to sleep in like 5 minutes anyways making the display show a no signal message before turning itself off.
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In short: OLED in 2023/2024 is way better than the original iterations that came out a decade ago. So don't worry about burn in guys.
I used my C1 (with the stronger WBE panel) exclusively for gaming at minimum brightness and after a year I already had traces of burn-in in the lower grey range. It's not visible in normal usage but it's defo burn-in. And sticking my nose in I can still see faint lines. So I'd never use OLED for productivity.
Yeah he most definitely got some traces at lower range cuz that's just how OLED works and certain pixel degrade faster than others tho TV algorithm supposed to account for that and Apple uses custom one for it's OLED phones. But average person won't notice but I would since I"m pretty OCD about things like right now I got a small section on upper left that looks like shadow and not sure how long it's been there but now that I noticed it see it all the time! luckily it's at corner tho can ignore most the time LOL
My usecase is 10 hours of screen on time a day, so 1200 hours would be a mere 4 months for me. I guess I still stay with "only use my OLED Monitor for gaming and fullscreen vids and leave basically every other application far away from it". I plan to use my OLED monitor for a few years and I don't want to risk permanent retention shadows on it after a year (which would be triple the amount of general usage as demonstrated by techless). Still, I do like to see real life experiences with OLED screens like shown in this video
My 2018 LG OLED television with approximately 15,000 hours of use is now littered with artifacts including a bright green logo in the right top of the screen (visible in any orange, red or brown background) and some faint grey logos in the middle left (only vaguely visible in very specific situations). Of course that's an older generation and not a PC monitor, but I would be hesitant about buying an OLED monitor with a 3 year burn-in warranty.
I have had my Alienware AW3423DW since Oct 2022. It has been used daily for at least 3 hours even up to 48 hours sometimes. But about 6 hours on average would result in about 3200 hours of usage so far. Unfortunately i was not paying as much attention as i should and had the taskbar enabled and just started noticing darker spots on dark grey loading screens where the icons are at. At closer investigation on a plain grey screen the most noticable is the 21:9 to 16:9 difference since i have been watching lots of videos. The seperation is clearly visible there but not on any other color. As soon as any pictures are shown its all gone though. I still love the view every day and cant wait to use Alienwares guarantee to replace the burnin within 3 years after purchase. So basically next year i will have a new panel for free ^^
There is a study going on that shows static content on tv's given "normal" cycles allowing them to clear their screen shows that it takes about 3000-5000 hours to get burn in. And thats like... the same static image, constantly, like 20hrs a day...
I have this monitor for a week, what can i say is stuning.My light everianoment is dimm so Oled is perfect.Response time, blacks, colors are amazing.This is my second Oled, my Panasonic tv is 4 years old, there is no burn in so far, love it.
Thank you for posting this test, but 1223 hours over 365 days is just 3.3 hours a day - this is nothing! I use my display for work, communication and entertainment and it's on for 8-10 hours a day. I think an OLED wouldn't last 6 months with me. Too bad there aren't any good miniLED options.
great video and good to see more burn in tests being done. So far this confirms what rtings has already found out and that being that WOLED Panels are harder to burn in than QD-OLED Panels most likely due to the extra white sub pixel. I do wonder how well one of those new 3rd Gen QD-OLEDs would do under the same conditions.
I have used my Odyssey G7 VA for 8837 hours since I bought it in 2021, and it is still flawless with deep blacks, great response times and good colour reproduction. I work and game on my monitor, so it's regularly on for well over 12 hrs a day, with the taskbar and static images on constantly. Until OLEDs have no discernable burn in after 10K hours, it's pointless to recommend to those who plan on using it all the time.
@@d1gw33d It bothers me so much when average consumers try to comment on concerns from people about deeply technical issues, like color accuracy or proper contrast ratios. I've had _so_ many people across several Discord servers try to tell me their $120 "HDR" monitor with a VA panel is "perfectly accurate" and has "pure black and pure white" when they enable HDR mode. Like, I'm glad that you're happy with your purchase but I'm so sorry, you are not watching HDR content on your Walmart monitor and getting a true HDR experience.
You can totally see that a VA panel does not have flawless black levels. Maybe you can't tell right now, but your phone is probably AMOLED. Go turn off your lights and put both on a dark screen with something white in the middle.
@@d1gw33d Bro im not saying that the black levels or colours are flawless. Im saying that the panel itself is flawless. There has been no deterioration like with OLED. I shouldve been more specific there. Ofc OLED black contrast response times and colours are in another league.
the fact that we're discussing if there's permanent damage to a monitor that was used 3-4 hours a day for 1 year showcases the issue of using an OLED monitor by itself. i've had monitors being used for ~15 hours a day for more than a decade with no real issues.
Thanks for this kind of update. I'm just thinking about buying a QD-OLED 4K monitor presented at CES 2024 for daily use (tasks and usage scenario are very similar to yours).
You may have already purchased something but I would like to warn you about Samsung. Their HDMI 2.1 ports don't seem to work. It never worked for my 2020 Q95T and it also doesn't seem to work properly for 2023 models like the QN90C. If you don't care about 4K@120Hz/fully utilizing HDMI 2.1 you're fine but if you want 4K@120Hz with HDR, 10 bit, etc. Than you might wanna go a different route.
@@zoopa9988 I'm still in the process of choosing, now I'm testing the monitor from MSI MPG 321URX. So far, the impressions are positive, but it is strange that only one HDMI 2.1 cable is included in the package, there is no DP or USB-C cables.
I had an OLED monitor for 2 days. The Pixel Care 2.0 on the MSI pops up every 4 hours, stopping you to run a clean. Every time I am watching UA-cam I worry about the burn from the white surround (white is much worse especially for QDOLED as that newer Glossy OLED doesn't have a White LED, so to make White it puts all 3, RGB, and so white burns faster then any other color, and thats like the #1 color in excel, word, youtube and logo's like CNN. So constant interruptions, constant fear of burning. It's like trying to go about your day with the Iron plugged in, but standing upright. It will be OK, stop thinking about it, but you can't stop can you! I just ordered a mini LED, lets see what stress that brings me...
I have the same monitor. I think with its conservative brightness levels, I'm gonna guess that this particular model will last a bit longer before burn-in issues arise. Also, the way that the compensation cycles are implemented by LG on their OLED TVs and this monitor is generally reliable and more robust compared to their competitors (on the TV market at least). Competing 1440p monitors like the ASUS PG27AQDM, or even QD-OLED ultrawides like the AW3423DW/AW3423DWF might suffer from burn-in a little quicker due to the higher brightness. But time will tell I guess. Unfortunately, I can't find a logo detection setting/logo brightness dimming on this monitor, which is a shame.
I used this monitor now for 24 hours and i decided to return it. I paid around 600 USD for it and i dont feel like i got my worth. Paying a premium for a LOT of annoying things, like all the pixel care things. As I;m writing this my screen shited 1 pixel two times already. And I feel bad if i turn off a OLED care feature. Oh and Yellow pixels always have this chromatic abberation very visible so it just doesnt look like proper 2K. And the monitor flickers like crazy sometimes. I would stay away from oled for now.
No offense, but I don't know why do people even mention stats like this... Like, YEAH, I would fucking hope that 1500 hours into using a ~1000$ product, it hasn't gotten any defects yet. 1500 hours of, for example, 8 hours a day usage is about HALF A YEAR. 4 hours a day (which is more reasonable) is still just around a year. That should be a given minimum expectation, not something to celebrate, no? This sounds somewhat like saying "hey, I'm 30 years old and I haven't had a heart attack yet, I'm doing great!'. I'm thinking about getting an OLED, but It's just kinda weird to me when people even bother mentioning these, well, rookie numbers and seem to act as if that's somehow a positive result? Or is good OLED lifespan just supposed to be a few years and people buying them replace their monitors every 1.5-2 years and are happy if it lasts that long? Basically that means you're rich and that's fine if you have the money to experience top notch visual quality but is that the expectation I should have or what?
@@TheCabIe Yes I do replace my monitor about every 2 years yeah. And as he said in the video: people buying Oled rn are basically beta testers because nobody knows how long they last and OLED is just organic, so ofc it is deteriorating over time. Thats the downside of having the best picture quality
@@TheCabIe I have like 5.000+ hours of pc usage, mostly gaming on a C9 from 2019, with full brightness and no sign of burn-in. Never even seen retention. I am not worried at all about burn-in at this point. LCD has tons of issues on day one so I'd rather have a small risk of burn-in than settling with terrible image quality on day one.
@@FrancisSyCoCo personally I am never going back from OLED, I never had an IPS, i had VA before but, OLED is just another level of color accuracy and contrast.
@@Aggnog well your comment proves you dont really know what ur talking about... Considering how new and unused OLEDs are as of right now, 1200h usage feedback is actually very valuable. You wanna know whats entirely useless? pointing fingers saying "thats wrong" without having any better answer or solution.
There’s going to be a refresh of 27GR95QE called 27GS95QE in February with apparently more brightness and less ABL otherwise same resolution and refresh rate. I think that everyone should go for the next gen OLED’s at this point though. I have over 300 h on my GR95QE since buying it in December. I’ll definitely try to warranty mine for the dead pixel that I noticed afterwards.
@@PhilippeCJR Honestly that’s the last thing out of the other problems that I have. You barely even notice it unless you stare really close. VRR flicker and the coating making some colors look grainy are much worse to me.
@@despooked It’s mostly when FPS fluctuates a lot and also depends what’s happening on the screen which I can’t really pinpoint for you. LG even has a notice on the VRR that flickering may occur in certain gaming environments.
Considering that im using my monitor on average 12h/day if not more. With 1/3 of the time spent gaming and rest doing work. My current 1440p 27" Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q monitor has served me for close to 10 years. I dont even want to think how many hours have I racked up. However im I do have 3-4 dead pixels and the TN pannel is rather a yesterdays tech. So now I still cannot decide if I should go for newly announced QD-OLED monitor from MSI (MAG 271QPX/MPG 271QRX) or IPS (MPG 272QPX). Kind of want OLED screen, but with the usage amount I feel like it wont last me too long.
I couldn't tolerate this monitor within 1-2 minutes my eyes and brain started to hurt, hours and it was massive pain, i used it for 12 hours tried everything and the pain lasted 1 week upon discontinuation, it is individual sensitivity to the DC Dimming brightness flickering at the frequency of 240hz (10% brightness drop flicker(at 100% brightness), 25% brightness drop flicker(at 50% brightness), 33% brightness drop flicker (at 0% brightness)), so yes even if it doesn't have OLED PWM 10% of people still suffer from eye fatigue/pain and migraines. You could assign this DC Dimming values to the IEEE STANDARD PAR1789 PWM chart using the frequency 240hz and the modulation % as the width of the line of lowered brightness (about 18%) , using these values you get a value a couple pixels inside of the red HIGH RISK range, bad for your eyes, or rather my eyes(it could be scotopic sensitivity, or called Irlen syndrome)
I usually use my monitor an average of 14 hours daily (work/pleasure) so in a month I'm putting a little more of 400 hours, I REALLY really wanted an OLED monitor for my last monitor purchase, but spending quite a bit more than $1000 USD for something that has a burn in warranty of 3 years seems a lot of money per year of warranty to me, so I ended buying an IPS ultrawide LG 38" curved monitor, so far really happy with it, maybe OLED burn in is just an stigma??
I've been using an LG C2 as my monitor for six months. Taskbar on auto-hide and a dark background with two icons, one of which is a screensaver shortcut that I use whenever I step away for a few minutes. I suspect I use the C2 much more than 8 hours per week and play multiple games with very bright and static UI elements. I have not had issues with any image retention so far.
Luckily i play games mostly at night and my eyes are very sensitive to light meaning i never have a monitor above 30 brightness. Definitly looking out for that 480hz panel dropping late this year
A few years ago, a lot of other display channels talked about burn in on oleds and all seem to agree 1000 ish hours isn't a long time.. It's just not long enough for modern OLEDs (from major manufacturers) to show any sign of burn in and only minor image retention. The Steam Deck OLED model does show burn in when "The Phawx" did a stress test but in the Steam Deck's case that system does not have any pixel shifting or pixel refresh so that's why image retention is more severe.
I use Win + R when I pause my game and leave my desk for a while. This way it well go on standby after a short time. I am very happy with this LG OLED, too. 🎉
I used my 45GR95QE for 2000 hours, it's still good. Only disappointing thing in "vinigrette effect" with CPC is on all the time. I can turn it off in service menu, but it comes back after every power off or standby.
Thumbnail had me rolling. lol good job. Regarding OLED, I use a completely black desktop with no icons, and I hide my start bar. So if I need to walk away from my computer, I just alt tab out of everything and move my mouse cursor to the right of the screen so it’s not on the display.
I do the same lol. There are some mouse cursor setting which give you the option to make the cursor black with a white outline so even if you don't swipe the mouse to the side of the screen there's still only just a few white pixels on the screen.
I have 3.5k hours on my LG Oled 55” it had a bit of burn in, I ran the pixel clean thing a few times and that all went away. My c2 48” has 2.6k hours, no burn in. I abused the 55” with no screen savers etc and I spend many hours a day on my pc as I am a 3d animator for a gaming company, so my screen sees a lot of static UI elements. The C2 48” I am being a bit more gentle with as in I hide the task bar and I use a screen savers and I run the pixel cleaning thing every other day.
I wish the VRR brightness flicker would be properly addressed. All marketing and reviewers act like it doesn't exist. Luckily, it's something that you tend to see in loading screens but it can be seen in dark scenes where the FPS is jumping all over the place. I know this can be overcome by disabling G-Sync, but I'd rather not do that.
I work from home for 10 hours a day, then game an average of 4 or 5 more. At least 15 hours a day. I also use my PC overnight for rendering. I would hit 5000 hours in my first year and two thirds of that would be with static app elements from my CAD software on screen. I'm about to drop the cash on one of the new 32 inch 240hz OLEDS. Should be interesting to see how they handle a super heavy duty cycle. Luckily they have a 2 year warranty..
I just bought this monitor on sale for 650€. I used it in multi monitor setup as 2nd screen. Disable the taskbar in 2nd screen and use pure black background. The monitor looks like it's off, i love it. I only use it for content consumption like netflix and youtube. Hopefully with this steps, it'll last for years to come.
Good video for people worried about OLED burn in. C2 here with 4165 hours, all as main monitor on PC. No screen saver, often forgot to close windows on it when I leave the house. Hide the taskbar and use dark mode, 60% brightness. No signs of burn in or retention on any full screen color tests.
i have been using my C1 from 2021 august for more than !!!11000!!! hours already because i work on this and also watch films, play games etc. sot it pretty much runs 12-15 hours a day. And i have got lots of burn-in already. It started about 2 month ago and now it became worse and worse quicker than ever. It was good until i reached the 9000-10000 hours usage threshold.
My AW3423DWF hit 1000 hours of usage a few days ago and it run the long screen refresh. I just checked on greyscreen and RGB for burnin and I can't see any. I used the HDR 1000 mode almost exclusively, I don't hide my taskbar, only things I do to prevent burnin is have the monitor turn off after 2 minutes of inactivity and I use 29% brightness, which is still plenty in my room. I also disable auto-HDR for some 4X games that had the bottom some UI and text glowing bright white for no reason.
i have 1900 on this monitor with no burn it whatsoever. Have taskbar and stuff, never bother to turn off the monitor manually with the remote. Literally used it as a normal monitor. Work as a data analyst 7 hours a day with most of it in rstudio IDE.
I have the "sister model" from ASUS, I use it 10 - 16 hrs a day (work and gaming 50/50) and I also have no retation so far. I think it's because the LG and ASUS Versions automatically do short cycle cleanups everytime the monitor is turned "off" for some time.
I have a little over 1500 hours on my AW3423DW and I haven't seen any burn-in either. My monitor is set to HDR Peak 1000 with 100% Contrast in Creator mode. I attribute most of it to the diligent maintenance of the panel firmware i.e. Pixel Refresh every time I turn off my panel or every 4 hours depending on my settings + plus a Panel Refresh after 1500 hours (I do it once a week.)
@elcactuar3354 No, it has a built-in pixel shift in the monitor to prevent burn-in. There are extra pixels at each edge of the screen and the image slowly moves in that extra space. To be honest with you I never even noticed it and I wouldn't be concerned about it personally.
I want an OLED so bad, but I do NOT want to babysit it. I'm not too keen on trying to make sure I vary my content just for the sake of pixels burning in.
I've been running a 27" / 1440p / 144Hz IPS screen for several years now. I'm looking at getting an equivalent size OLED monitor and this years MLA panels with improved RGB layout could be the one. The pricing is a little steep however. You could buy a 48" or larger OLED tv for the same price these monitors are going for.
My own LG OLED (same model) that I bought the day they became available recently broke (on Dec. 22, to be exact) so I got a replacement for it on December 23. My replacement already has 455 hours on-time 😂 I don't even wanna know how much on-time my previous one had. To be clear, the previous one didn't break due to burn in or something. There was a short circuit or something and it fried the board. (at least that's my conclusion after pondering the evidence for an hour). Either way neither my previous one nor my current one show any sign of burn-in, tho my current one has a rather nasty horizontal streak of "dirty screen effect" right near the top third of the screen which in some circumstances can be very visible, whereas the old one had a flawless panel.
Have this monitor since launch and have 2491 hours of total power on time. The windows task bar is not set on auto hide (yes, I knew the risk) and I have no burn in or other problems with the monitor (except windows HDR things). Using the monitor most of the time with 0 % brightness except when I play Tarkov
My alienware 34 oled has been used like an ips panel and dont give a crap and leave it on and full brightness and dont care. Been a couple years now and no issues with brightness or burn in. Works amazing
I use my 65 c1 (newer WBE/EVO panel) with a PC, mostly for watching youtube, twitch, some gaming and the occasional series or movie. Twitch streams and games often have fairly bright static elements (donation names and such). Only used hide taskbar and other tricks at the beginning out of fear, but later got lazy. I have about 3500h and absolutely 0 noticable difference from new, every test pattern is perfect (apart from the slight gray vertical banding, noticeable only on test patterns, that was there from new), zero "imprints" of taskbar or other icons. I would estimate around 50% usage is under 10 oled brightness, 40% at 35 and 10% at 100 oled brightness (dark room and usually watch in the evenings or nights).
Suggestion: if you're into setting up things, consider setting up a Home Assistant server with a motion sensor near your desk. You can automate the screen turning off and on (and even the PC in standby and auto wake up, if you wish. I do this without motion sensor, I set it up with google assistant)
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For people who have this monitor, how visible is your banding in dark grey / brown scenes? I can easily notice mine in applications like Firefox and Discord, although that doesn't bother me. I can also very rarely notice it in content like games in a particularly grey scene. Seems kinda normal and it has actually improved a bit now that Im closing in on 800hrs but I wanted to know if its normal.
Banding isn't always the fault of the display. If the programs you use display low bit images, they'll band. Test banding with images you know have color depth high enough not to contain any.
@@Simon_Denmark Yeah that's what I mean. To my knowledge all W-OLED panels have this to an extent, but it's only visible during certain conditions, usually dark grey or brown backgrounds. Mine can sometimes be seen during specific scenes.
I've got over 4000 hours on my OLED, no burn-in despite the fact that it's a TV and I use it as a PC monitor with all the protective features disabled! I do notice image retention from time to time though.
Well, if you have to go to work every day you can probably only play like 1 hour per day if even that. Meanwhile some people could easily play 7 hours per day. Or more. Not to mention leave/forget the computer on for days. This test seems pretty mild. A monitor should last for at least a decade, not couple years. I have no trust in OLEDs yet. They are going to burn in sooner rather than later. Just look at your phone and there will probably be burn-ins already. The keyboard, clock, battery %, game interface, and so on.
Well, if you have to go to work every day you can probably only play like 1 hour per day if even that. Meanwhile some people could easily play 7 hours per day. Or more. Not to mention leave/forget the computer on for days. This test seems pretty mild. A monitor should last for at least a decade, not couple years. I have no trust in OLEDs yet. They are going to burn in sooner rather than later. Just look at your phone and there will probably be burn-ins already. The keyboard, clock, battery %, game interface, and so on.
3 years warranty from burnin from DELL is a god send. I know for a fact no matter how much is use my monitor, I'll havee a replacement if burn in happens before the 3 years mark
8 hours of programming, few hours of gaming, few hours of videos or movies. My monitor is being used 12 hours a day. People who are worried about burn-in aren't worried about 1200 hours dude...
1200 hours is ridiculously low for a monitor. I have a dell from 2016 with 14000 hours and a lg ultragear from 2022 with 5000 hours. I got my alienware dw3423dwf 2 months ago and I try to make less hours on it but he have 400 hours already. Hey, I have a panasonic plasma gt30 with 22000 hours and 0 burn in on all slides. I have a gt50 too with only 3500 hours
As long as you don't have it on a white grid lined MAXIMUM brightness for a good 90 hours straight, you'll be fine. A lot of people mistake old OLED with newer better OLED's which have technology to prevent burn in
Anyone with this monitor should consider getting the LG service remote to unlock higher overall brightness. I've had mine for 10 months and have only clocked 780 hrs and of course have had no burn in either.
Real gamers spend 7.5 hours per day gaming not per week. Until we can see 5-10x longer OLED usage with little to no degradation it will be hard to spend so much money on this technology.
Thank you for taking 1 for the team! :) I’m staying with LCDs for now because I use my monitors both for gaming and productivity. This means about 16h/d 7d/w on time for me. (Also working a lot in Outlook and Excel, that would kill an OLED :( )
That is not 100% given, but makes sense to wait a few more years to be 100% sure it would not kill it with that use. Until then the panels surely improve again.
@@NearynHubI currently use an IPS monitor as my main. It already has a temporary “burn in” during work hours, so in my case, sadly I’m sure I would have problems with an OLED. (I so wish for an OLED for gaming :( )
It would kill an OLED? And you're basing this claim on what? Your emotions? Did you even view the video you're commenting on, dude? I use this precise monitor for productivity. Clown.
@@d1gw33d Interesting. Very cool when people with heavy usage come out to tell people to stop worrying when using LG OLED. I really am confident with the technology, but have not used the LG C3 more than a few months.
Would love to see a video about some of the text fringing and the fixes out there. It’s the main thing holding me back from buying an OLED, because I use my monitor for work and gaming
I knew this Big Burn In Fear was overblown, there is a reason why those manufacturers are so cool with giving 2 or 3 years garantees on OLED monitors ...
I mean LG just gives their typical 2 year warranty which doesn’t even make it clear if burn-in is covered. Dell for example has 3 year warranty specifically for burn-in. I did ask LG support here in EU and they did say that it’s ”usually covered in the warranty”.
1223 hours is nothing. People should not talk until they accumulate 6000 hours over 2 years on such a monitor. I have the only OLED with 3 year warranty, the AW3423DWF from Dell... And it will burn in on 5% greys within 6 months as shown by RTINGS. This is just a reality of owning OLED, that's the price you pay. There is no "risk of burn in", it is coming... As surely as our end.
LG oled has proven to be more reliable than LCD panels. Recent stress tests show that LCD panels degrade a lot, and Mini-LED backlight suffers from degradation as well. OLED only suffers from extreme usage with exactly the same static elements left there for years.. which is a completely unrealistic scenario.
I have over 3000k hours on my Alienware dwf 34” qd-oled. I use it over 8 hours a day for work and gaming. I skip the pixel refresh that’s required every 4 hours because it’s annoying. I do one pixel refresh a day. Have done 3 panel refreshes “just did my third a few days ago” and have zero burn in. I leave it in hdr mode 24/7 at 75% sdr brightness in windows. It’s been a tank of a monitor. I leave it on static imagines all the time for work also. It has two dead pixels but it was that way out of the box and every single monitor I’ve ever had has dead or stuck pixels so It doesn’t trigger me like it does to other people who will go to the end of the earth to get a new monitor. It’s not right I get that and agree but the return process isn’t worth a dead pixel. I rather have a dead pixel than a stuck red or green pixel. My old pos lg 34gn850 had stuck pixels and kept getting more over the years.
I've got this resoundingly beaten with nearly 3500 on an AW3423DW from the second wave of shipments. Tons of desktop use, no burn-in. Get QD-OLED. Samsung really seems to have largely solved burn-in issues as long as you're not just leaving static images sitting for hours upon hours at a time. Even so, my PC has had insomnia a few times and had the desktop sitting on for 12+ hours. Still fine. FWIW though I only use HDR TrueBlack 400. I don't use HDR 1000, I prefer the perfect blacks over the extra brightness. That brightness level might have something to do with the lack of burn-in.
Not true and most people upgrade phone every 1-2 years anyways plus not many use constantly for 6+ hours a day with static imagery, I’ve heard people say they had burn in on phones and smart watches
Nice video. Thanks for the insight. However, I am afraid that all this is non-telling as 1.2k hours is nothing. Also, there is not enough data to evaluate how continuous use is affecting burn-in. Are two days per week of 9 to 5 the same as ~2h every day per week? People expect to use their monitors for multiple 10k hours. 1k without problems is the bare minimum, really. I would like to have another video like this in two years.
7.5 hours a week is a joke, we have to be honest. We can all agree, vast majority of people who end up researching monitors and go into the nitty gritty of oled burn in are not playing 7.5 hours a week... you could triple that and even then we'd be at the minimum.
I have averaged just over 28 hours a week for the last 13 months on just ONE game. I'm holding out for micro-led tech.
I surpass that in one single day... XDD
I agree
i have about 12000 hours in 2,5 years. For both work(programming) and Gaming on the C2 42" W-OLED.
I do not have the service remote, and 12k is based on daily use calculations.
When going lowest brightness and grey screen i can barely see the burn in, there is some from taskbar and split screen.
when adding just a little more brightness it stops showing the burn in, and in normal content there is no way to see it. W-OLED seems the way to go, or im just very lucky.
I do not realy babysit my OLED. But i do hide my icons, Hide my taskbar. and have all the OLED features enabled.
you're right. absolute rookie numbers. i play more than that a DAY. dont even mention a week. ppl who only play 8 hours a week indeed arent researching monitors this deep.
that PHub retention on the screen of the thumbnail is just :perfect 😂 😂
4 real i did not See it until you told me 😂😂😂😂
lol i had to go looking for it, at first i thought you were kidding but then spotted it
no it's cringe
I have used the same Monitor for 3151 hours and I have had two instances where the pixels just got stuck, there was a red line, the second one just happened last week. All I had to do was a manual image cleaning from the Monitor's settings and it was good as new. No Visible Burns in whatsoever and it just runs perfectly.
@@rayquazahere8529 yeah, if you got something working for you and you are fine with it, I'd just stick to it, more OLED Monitors are flooding the Market and their prices should start to become more competitive and little less pricey
Yeah. That response time is crazy
I've used mine for 1877 hours and have had no issues. No burn in or image retention. I let the monitor do it's image cleaning and refresh programs every time it promps.
@@RAZGR1Zhow often does is prompt? Seems like that could be disruptive mid use
@@bren.r 4 hours but u can ignore it
daily... about a year... 1223/365 = 3.35h per day... That is no usage at all.
more than most people use it
I've a 1440p IPS ive used for 15,000 hrs in 3 years.. lol this is nothing at all
@@RainOrbs so you used your monitor for 14 hours each day the past 3 years. I don't buy that
@@jnst8295 Working from home makes it possible, some days even 18-19 hours depending on how busy I was so yes its more than possible
@@jnst8295 Its definitely possible for someone that games after work or something. There's breaks in-between that where the monitor would stay on but no use (for example, going to eat I usually don't turn off my monitor).
Using monitors for as long as some of us do nowadays we should be worried about our eyes developing burn-in 😂
except the light outside is brighter.
@@Stackaliyeah but we look at monitors with no pause for too long
So that's why I permanently see a taskbar....
The problem here is the distance from monitor to our eyes. Also, there was a study that confirmed we blink not that often when we watch something on monitor is especially play game. And blinking is very important for eyes
Well that’s actually a thing that scientists hailed as a way to catch criminals back in the day… except you had to have the eye submerged in a substance looking at a perfectly stationary object for 30+ minutes and it was super bad quality and even then the “burn-in” didn’t last long.
I know exactly what you mean about burn-in anxiety, and compulsively switching off the monitor even if you're leaving for just a few minutes. Haha. Very nice update, thank you!
You've used it for 3.3 hours a day. Not exactly a lot. If you'd see any problems at that extremely low hour count then it would be a big problem.
This!
Yeah he is basically saying "I did proper usage of the oled monitor for 1200 hours and I saw no burn in!"
exactly. 1000 hours? only 1 year? what a waste of time
3 hours is freaking nothing lmao, i remember when i used to play 1 hour a day because i had to do homework, now people these days play almost 6 to 8 hours a day
I have an Dell Alienware AW3423DW and did buy it right after launch date - it does an run matiance program every 1500 hours and it did it the 3 time last week so around 4500 hours and so far 0 issues about burn in with this model - best screen I have ever owned without a doubt.
I've used an LG C1 as a Monitor from January 2022 til October 2023, since I'm quite addicted and also did home office from it, it was on for like 10-14h per day on average (yes, it hurts to type these numbers...), so probably over 8000h in total (speaking of active use time with content displayed)
I had a screensaver set to black that kicked in after 10 minutes of inactivity, and screen-off after 30 minutes, just for the rare case that I forget about it.
I really didn't care for the panel at all lol, even disabled the annoying auto dimming in the service menu, had a static task bar and my browser window in the same place every single day.
Really the only good thing I did for it was that I left it below 25% brightness all the time because I just can't stand bright screens.
So... This shouldn't sound like I recommend treating your OLED screen as terribly as I did, but I really can't find any sign of Burn in whatsoever, even on 100% brightness with these special test images for different color combinations.
But I guess it's possible that my 100% brightness isn't what it used to be, after all those automatic pixel refreshes that happen after 4h use time once you turn off the screen. But 100% brightness is still WAAAAAY to bright for me, so even if that's the case, it won't matter for me for a long time, something else will probably die before that.
This matches my own experience of using a 48C1 for over 7500 hours now.
I disabled the protections because I found them annoying when using it as a monitor.
I have HDR enabled at all times in Windows, but the SDR content brightness is at 0/100 (80 nits) because I get headaches from looking at an overly-bright screen all day.
No signs of uneven wear/burn-in so far.
The only thing I do is set a 4 hour sleep timer when I switch it on, so the short compensation cycles (6 minutes) can run on-schedule.
And I'll delay putting the screen on standby if that happens to be an inconvenient time.
But I shouldn't be sitting for that long without taking a break to walk around anyway.
Same stuff. Jan 2022 65C1, 6000hrs in, nothing.
Do you use programs with dark or ligth mode? Maybe that affects too along with the limited brightness
@@bybod mostly yes, but that should make the wear of white text in theory even more uneven than bright backgrounds
Wow that sounds a lot my use scenario. I'm just like you who doesn't touch grass and also work from home. I also hate bright screens so I set every monitor I got to 0% brightness. However that's just about 2 years of usage. I expect a monitor like this to last me at least 5 years preferably 10. I'll still stick to LCD for now, until I can get a massive boost of performance with a new graphics card, I'll be observing.
this is the type of content we need. Im so on the brink of buying oled but I work from home 3 days a week. (so not even fulltime). besides that I game about 11-20 hours per week. this kind of video makes me feel more easy to use it for both office and gaming. I rarely use anything without dark mode so I feel confident I can survive many years without disturbing image retention
techless always surprises with good insights and with a high standard in his videos. I agree, he helps people making an unbiased purchase choice - sometimes it seems only one type of OLED is being covered when the focus of the hype is elsewhere. It is save to say, that if you use an OLED mindfully, we should not be too worried about premature "permanent electroluminescent layer degradation".
I used a LG C9 as my main monitor and content viewing device for 3 years before recently replacing it with a C3. Also work from home about half the time as well. Zero issues with burn in. Heavy usage. The C9 got moved to another room and is still rocking.
There is no more dicussion to be had. My 55" LG OLED55B7A (2017) has over 10,000 hours _as a Windows PC monitor_ with _zero_ image retention. I mean literally zero during normal viewing, and negligible when examined with 5% Red, Green, and Blue slides in a pitch-black environment. And again, this is a 2017 model, which can be assumed to be inferior to later models in regard to retention.
So what's the deal? What's the trick? The fact of the matter is that OLED technology is only for a person _who knows exactly why he wants OLED instead of some other tech._ This person understands that there are certain operating procedures and usage habits that must be adhered to if image retention is to be avoided, and is willing to accept this in exchange for the benefits that can not be realized without spending orders of magnitude more.
First: If you do not view movies or video games/simulations in a theatre-dark environment, the OLED's major benefit --- true black --- can not even be perceived. If you view in a lighted environment, pupillary constriction will make the blacks of an OLED and LCD identical... which is worse for the OLED because all of the shadow detail _between_ the "LCD black" and true black is now invisible, or "crushed".
Second: An OLED is for a person who is into maximizing immersion.
In order to avoid image retention:
> Remove _all_ desktop icons
> Hide the Taskbar
> Set the desktop background to either black or 50% white (i.e. grey).
> *Make your **_standard_** OLED Light (brightness) setting very low.*
On my OLED55B7A, I use '10'. The reason I chose '10' is because the ridiculous automatic brightness reduction "feature" actually _increases_ the brightness to '10' when it is set below '10', just like it spontaneously decreases the brightness to '10' when set above this value. This means that '10' is the setting at which this "feature" is effectively disabled (if not _actually_ disabled).
It should be O.K. to temporarily increase the OLED Light setting when playing a game (even though it's probably not necessary when playing in the dark as one _should_ be), but it should never be increased past, say, '6'. _Brightness is the single most important variable when it comes to image retention on any type of OLED display._
> When using Windows or another OS, make sure that you don't use the same windows at the same size in the same place indefinitely. If you have certain programs with windows that you use at specific sizes, it's not hard to get into the habit of moving them to different spots every few days
> Periodically examine your display in the manner indicated in the first paragraph. This will ensure that if you are doing anything wrong, or not doing enough, you can catch the problem before its visible under normal viewing circumstances.
If your display _does_ accumulate any retention, the "pixel refresh" cycle will completely eliminate it, and in my experience, actually make the image better than it originally was, with more uniformity. This is the "serious" refresh cycle that is either done manually, or apparently automatically after so many "thousands?" of hours. In over 10K hours I never once activated it manually (I did not see the need), but it did automatically occur at least once that I know of, and the results genuinely impressed me.
If an OLED is taken care of, there may or may not be retention that comes and goes, depending upon your usage. But the point is that there should not be any _accumulation_ of retention. It should all average out.
@@d1gw33d Same here: Hv been using my LG B9 for far more than 10.000 hours over last 3 years. I studied with it during lockdown, wrote hundreds of documents and some thesis on it, and ofc I gamed alot on it. I use it for media consumption as well... and I gotta tell you, ZERO BURN IN. This thing runs 6 - 10 hours a day and the only thing I did against burn in was using the display in energy saving mode during "working hours". Always gaming @full brightness in HDR. I love this display. And for me personally, the display is not to dark to work with in its Energy-Saving-State.
Greetings from Germany
@@bricaaron3978 Thanks for the long post. Regarding the desktop background, could you just use a moving Wallpaper Engine background as well?
With all the points I see one important takeaway, which is the brightness setting. The brightness at 70% with the new displays is more than enough (for me at least) and should contribute to longlivety.
I got mine back close to release January 2023. And I have 2615 hours on it at 100% brightness, contrast 60, black stabilizer 0, sharpness 100. As far as I can tell there is no issues with the monitor by looking at it. With a grey background there isn't anything I can see that looks like a burnt in image.
I see what you did there
I was about to look for a comment like this, but it was the first one 🤣🤣🤣
I do not get it
@@Jaie55 fake pornhub logo burn in
@@Jaie55Look closer at the thumbnail
he been on there a bit too long 💀
Much needed video/update on usage of OLED monitor!
OLED monitors are the next anxiety source that I don't need in my life. Trying to avoid leaving static content on the monitor all the time in my subconsciousness sounds terrible.
@@ceciliacole5098 Yeah that's where the issue is. If I'm using a monitor, thoughts like "damn, did i left the monitor with max brightness?" should never come to my mind. I'm sorry but these issues will never go away with OLEDs until they start giving 10 year burn-in warranty then I would buy one without a second thought.
The benefits of oled far outweigh the perceived anxiety, especially when you can just set you monitor to turn off or have a moving screen saver after a couple minutes of no use. I’ve been using an oled tv and monitor for 5 years now, putting 40 hours of gaming time on them a week with tons of static huds and not a hint of burn in on either
I'm not a person who have a patience to bother about monitor safety - I like keeping my ips monitors turned on for longer and I don't want to change wallpapers, icons lay out and hide the task bar. I use my pc for about 5 hours per day on avarage but it happens that I do much longer sessions (up to 12 hours). If there is risk of burn in just after 1-2 years of intense usage it's a huge No No for me. Monitors should last at least 4-5 years if not much longer. That's why I appreciate all these tests because I wouldn't want to regret a purchase that is so expensive 🙏 I'm planning on switching to 1440p this or next year but I'm not in a hurry and might choose an IPS panel instead. Gonna be patient and wait for technology to develop a bit more. These OLEDs are still far from perfect. Would be cool to see MicroLED monitors one day...
I have the same 1080p screen since 11 years, time to upgrade next year.
Personally I’m only going to to get an oled with burn-in warranty. Cause I want to abuse the monitor
@@Swisshost 11 years is crazy
@@lemonke5341 It really is, looks like I have just luck. My entire PC is 11 years old too and runs just fine, only change I made is SDD and GPU. i7 4770k just don't want to die
I mean yeah normal ips, tn monitor and anything that is not oled probably lasts for decades.
Tbh, I’m not overly concerned about burn in on my oled. I use it a lot, but the image cleaning, pixel shift and other burn in protocols combined with the use of MLA should mean that by the time I need a replacement panels should be considerably more affordable and resilient to burn issues. I don’t want my enjoyment of the panel to be hampered by a fear of burn in so I’m using it as freely as I did my previous IPS monitor. Brightness is set to 100% for hdr content and 70% for sdr. I do turn the screen off if I’m away from it for more than several minutes and have the screen saver settings activated. I have a laptop for productivity work so the screen is only utilised for gaming and the occasional video playback. The picture quality gains more than make up for the shortened lifespan of the panel imo.
nice thumbnail xD
I wish I lasted that long
It honestly is the reason I watched lol
I have this monitor for about 6 months with 1200 hours, LG27GR95QE-B, i have used it for playing MMO's such as WOW/FFXIV with static user interface, I tried running these color videos and sadly there is a little bit of image retention that does not go away with either of Image or pixel cleaning, i wasn't having pixel shifting on and brightness was always at 100%. So if you really want to play MMOs with an OLED try hiding the user interface as much as you can if you don't use it.
Also avoid having brightness at 100% for SDR, 70% will be around 100 nits which is more than enough and make sure to toggle on pixel shifting.
Nevertheless, The image retention is only visible with a bright white screen and it's very minor and not and not noticeable in games or movies. The monitor still looks as beautiful as it is on Day 1 😘
I also have some permanent image retention on my ~5 years old OLED, and it's only barely noticable in some rare circumstances. And even then, despite my quite severe OCD, having noticed it I forget about it almost immediately since the image quality is still simply so stunning.
When after using OLED for 4,5 years I got myself an IPS monitor as an auxiliary all-purpose display I though it was defective out of the box. Sold it off after a year since I just couldn't get used to it no matter what. Looked dismal and caused some noticable discomfort/eye strain to me as well.
Honestly, this sucks since I can no longer afford an OLED these days.
100 nits is the standard for SDR
~10-12h per work day, Work from Home + some gaming/studying/watching videos etc.
My almost 3y Acer IPS 27" have over 8k hours in total. I really doubt that OLED is suited for such a use (with static content and very bright room) so I really can't switch even though I was thinking about it.
microLED is where it is for us man
@@perceptivity_ Any interesting 34" ultrawides microleds comming this year?
@@Iscandelt no sadly
@@perceptivity_ :(
I'm at ~12K hours with my 77" LG G1 and I haven't had issues with burn-in yet, I've never manually pixel refreshed my display. My OLED Pixel Brightness has mostly been at 0% though with black stabilizer set to 20 (max) Taskbar auto hides, desktop wallpaper is black, mouse pointer is black with a white outline, and I've barely ever forgotten to turn it off but the PC goes to sleep in like 5 minutes anyways making the display show a no signal message before turning itself off.
In short: OLED in 2023/2024 is way better than the original iterations that came out a decade ago. So don't worry about burn in guys.
I have the same monitor and no issues with it at all. I basically just use it for gaming in FPS games on HDR. No burn in at all.
I used my C1 (with the stronger WBE panel) exclusively for gaming at minimum brightness and after a year I already had traces of burn-in in the lower grey range.
It's not visible in normal usage but it's defo burn-in. And sticking my nose in I can still see faint lines.
So I'd never use OLED for productivity.
Yeah he most definitely got some traces at lower range cuz that's just how OLED works and certain pixel degrade faster than others tho TV algorithm supposed to account for that and Apple uses custom one for it's OLED phones. But average person won't notice but I would since I"m pretty OCD about things like right now I got a small section on upper left that looks like shadow and not sure how long it's been there but now that I noticed it see it all the time! luckily it's at corner tho can ignore most the time LOL
My usecase is 10 hours of screen on time a day, so 1200 hours would be a mere 4 months for me. I guess I still stay with "only use my OLED Monitor for gaming and fullscreen vids and leave basically every other application far away from it". I plan to use my OLED monitor for a few years and I don't want to risk permanent retention shadows on it after a year (which would be triple the amount of general usage as demonstrated by techless).
Still, I do like to see real life experiences with OLED screens like shown in this video
My 2018 LG OLED television with approximately 15,000 hours of use is now littered with artifacts including a bright green logo in the right top of the screen (visible in any orange, red or brown background) and some faint grey logos in the middle left (only vaguely visible in very specific situations). Of course that's an older generation and not a PC monitor, but I would be hesitant about buying an OLED monitor with a 3 year burn-in warranty.
I have had my Alienware AW3423DW since Oct 2022. It has been used daily for at least 3 hours even up to 48 hours sometimes. But about 6 hours on average would result in about 3200 hours of usage so far. Unfortunately i was not paying as much attention as i should and had the taskbar enabled and just started noticing darker spots on dark grey loading screens where the icons are at. At closer investigation on a plain grey screen the most noticable is the 21:9 to 16:9 difference since i have been watching lots of videos. The seperation is clearly visible there but not on any other color. As soon as any pictures are shown its all gone though. I still love the view every day and cant wait to use Alienwares guarantee to replace the burnin within 3 years after purchase. So basically next year i will have a new panel for free ^^
There is a study going on that shows static content on tv's given "normal" cycles allowing them to clear their screen shows that it takes about 3000-5000 hours to get burn in. And thats like... the same static image, constantly, like 20hrs a day...
Can you hear the fan on the Monitor?
I have this monitor for a week, what can i say is stuning.My light everianoment is dimm so Oled is perfect.Response time, blacks, colors are amazing.This is my second Oled, my Panasonic tv is 4 years old, there is no burn in so far, love it.
Thank you for posting this test, but 1223 hours over 365 days is just 3.3 hours a day - this is nothing! I use my display for work, communication and entertainment and it's on for 8-10 hours a day. I think an OLED wouldn't last 6 months with me. Too bad there aren't any good miniLED options.
hey dude, im on my pc for 10 hours a day too as I work from home and game, did you ever buy one or did you give it a miss due to this
@@xVeano No, between burn-in and limited OLED brightness, I decided to get a VA miniLED (AOC q27g3xmn). Massive black level upgrade over my old IPS.
great video and good to see more burn in tests being done. So far this confirms what rtings has already found out and that being that WOLED Panels are harder to burn in than QD-OLED Panels most likely due to the extra white sub pixel. I do wonder how well one of those new 3rd Gen QD-OLEDs would do under the same conditions.
I have used my Odyssey G7 VA for 8837 hours since I bought it in 2021, and it is still flawless with deep blacks, great response times and good colour reproduction. I work and game on my monitor, so it's regularly on for well over 12 hrs a day, with the taskbar and static images on constantly. Until OLEDs have no discernable burn in after 10K hours, it's pointless to recommend to those who plan on using it all the time.
Except your G7 absolutely does not have flawless deep blacks lol.. or color reproduction. VA panels are atrocious in comparison.
@@d1gw33d It bothers me so much when average consumers try to comment on concerns from people about deeply technical issues, like color accuracy or proper contrast ratios. I've had _so_ many people across several Discord servers try to tell me their $120 "HDR" monitor with a VA panel is "perfectly accurate" and has "pure black and pure white" when they enable HDR mode.
Like, I'm glad that you're happy with your purchase but I'm so sorry, you are not watching HDR content on your Walmart monitor and getting a true HDR experience.
You can totally see that a VA panel does not have flawless black levels. Maybe you can't tell right now, but your phone is probably AMOLED. Go turn off your lights and put both on a dark screen with something white in the middle.
@@d1gw33d Bro im not saying that the black levels or colours are flawless. Im saying that the panel itself is flawless. There has been no deterioration like with OLED. I shouldve been more specific there. Ofc OLED black contrast response times and colours are in another league.
the fact that we're discussing if there's permanent damage to a monitor that was used 3-4 hours a day for 1 year showcases the issue of using an OLED monitor by itself. i've had monitors being used for ~15 hours a day for more than a decade with no real issues.
Thank you for all your amazing contents. It is always very informative and not boring. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for this kind of update.
I'm just thinking about buying a QD-OLED 4K monitor presented at CES 2024 for daily use (tasks and usage scenario are very similar to yours).
You may have already purchased something but I would like to warn you about Samsung. Their HDMI 2.1 ports don't seem to work. It never worked for my 2020 Q95T and it also doesn't seem to work properly for 2023 models like the QN90C. If you don't care about 4K@120Hz/fully utilizing HDMI 2.1 you're fine but if you want 4K@120Hz with HDR, 10 bit, etc. Than you might wanna go a different route.
@@zoopa9988 I'm still in the process of choosing, now I'm testing the monitor from MSI MPG 321URX.
So far, the impressions are positive, but it is strange that only one HDMI 2.1 cable is included in the package, there is no DP or USB-C cables.
I had an OLED monitor for 2 days. The Pixel Care 2.0 on the MSI pops up every 4 hours, stopping you to run a clean. Every time I am watching UA-cam I worry about the burn from the white surround (white is much worse especially for QDOLED as that newer Glossy OLED doesn't have a White LED, so to make White it puts all 3, RGB, and so white burns faster then any other color, and thats like the #1 color in excel, word, youtube and logo's like CNN. So constant interruptions, constant fear of burning. It's like trying to go about your day with the Iron plugged in, but standing upright. It will be OK, stop thinking about it, but you can't stop can you! I just ordered a mini LED, lets see what stress that brings me...
I have the same monitor. I think with its conservative brightness levels, I'm gonna guess that this particular model will last a bit longer before burn-in issues arise. Also, the way that the compensation cycles are implemented by LG on their OLED TVs and this monitor is generally reliable and more robust compared to their competitors (on the TV market at least).
Competing 1440p monitors like the ASUS PG27AQDM, or even QD-OLED ultrawides like the AW3423DW/AW3423DWF might suffer from burn-in a little quicker due to the higher brightness. But time will tell I guess.
Unfortunately, I can't find a logo detection setting/logo brightness dimming on this monitor, which is a shame.
I'm not worried about 7,5h of gaming per week, I am worried about 10h of office applications each working day.
I used this monitor now for 24 hours and i decided to return it. I paid around 600 USD for it and i dont feel like i got my worth. Paying a premium for a LOT of annoying things, like all the pixel care things. As I;m writing this my screen shited 1 pixel two times already. And I feel bad if i turn off a OLED care feature. Oh and Yellow pixels always have this chromatic abberation very visible so it just doesnt look like proper 2K. And the monitor flickers like crazy sometimes. I would stay away from oled for now.
What about oled laptops? There are many out there, what about the software support and everything
Currently clocking 1310 hours on the exact same monitor and no issues so far :)
No offense, but I don't know why do people even mention stats like this... Like, YEAH, I would fucking hope that 1500 hours into using a ~1000$ product, it hasn't gotten any defects yet. 1500 hours of, for example, 8 hours a day usage is about HALF A YEAR. 4 hours a day (which is more reasonable) is still just around a year. That should be a given minimum expectation, not something to celebrate, no? This sounds somewhat like saying "hey, I'm 30 years old and I haven't had a heart attack yet, I'm doing great!'. I'm thinking about getting an OLED, but It's just kinda weird to me when people even bother mentioning these, well, rookie numbers and seem to act as if that's somehow a positive result?
Or is good OLED lifespan just supposed to be a few years and people buying them replace their monitors every 1.5-2 years and are happy if it lasts that long? Basically that means you're rich and that's fine if you have the money to experience top notch visual quality but is that the expectation I should have or what?
@@TheCabIe Yes I do replace my monitor about every 2 years yeah. And as he said in the video: people buying Oled rn are basically beta testers because nobody knows how long they last and OLED is just organic, so ofc it is deteriorating over time. Thats the downside of having the best picture quality
@@TheCabIe I have like 5.000+ hours of pc usage, mostly gaming on a C9 from 2019, with full brightness and no sign of burn-in. Never even seen retention. I am not worried at all about burn-in at this point. LCD has tons of issues on day one so I'd rather have a small risk of burn-in than settling with terrible image quality on day one.
This is a VERY useful video considering how new OLED monitors still are and burn in is the n1 fear everyone has.
Burn in wouldn't be such a big concern for everyone if OLED monitors weren't super expensive.
It really isn't. 1200 hours is nothing. It doesn't prove or disprove anything at all about OLED monitors.
so should I stick with my ips Aorus ad27qd ?
@@FrancisSyCoCo personally I am never going back from OLED, I never had an IPS, i had VA before but, OLED is just another level of color accuracy and contrast.
@@Aggnog well your comment proves you dont really know what ur talking about... Considering how new and unused OLEDs are as of right now, 1200h usage feedback is actually very valuable. You wanna know whats entirely useless? pointing fingers saying "thats wrong" without having any better answer or solution.
There’s going to be a refresh of 27GR95QE called 27GS95QE in February with apparently more brightness and less ABL otherwise same resolution and refresh rate. I think that everyone should go for the next gen OLED’s at this point though.
I have over 300 h on my GR95QE since buying it in December. I’ll definitely try to warranty mine for the dead pixel that I noticed afterwards.
ill get oled when the text clarity if fixed...
@@PhilippeCJR Honestly that’s the last thing out of the other problems that I have. You barely even notice it unless you stare really close. VRR flicker and the coating making some colors look grainy are much worse to me.
@@Simon_Denmark Does the flicker happen in certain situations like low fps?
@@despooked It’s mostly when FPS fluctuates a lot and also depends what’s happening on the screen which I can’t really pinpoint for you. LG even has a notice on the VRR that flickering may occur in certain gaming environments.
it is fixed in a lot of other operating systems, just not windows.
Considering that im using my monitor on average 12h/day if not more. With 1/3 of the time spent gaming and rest doing work. My current 1440p 27" Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q monitor has served me for close to 10 years. I dont even want to think how many hours have I racked up. However im I do have 3-4 dead pixels and the TN pannel is rather a yesterdays tech. So now I still cannot decide if I should go for newly announced QD-OLED monitor from MSI (MAG 271QPX/MPG 271QRX) or IPS (MPG 272QPX). Kind of want OLED screen, but with the usage amount I feel like it wont last me too long.
Hey man, did you end up buying OLED? I have the same questions because most of my time I code.
@@ruslanayaz5053 Nop, still in the eternal dilemma about it.😅
Yes, I have an LG IPS monitor now and have clocked over 1550 hours in 3 months with it. I'm still on the fence as well and hoping for micro-led tech.
I couldn't tolerate this monitor within 1-2 minutes my eyes and brain started to hurt, hours and it was massive pain, i used it for 12 hours tried everything and the pain lasted 1 week upon discontinuation, it is individual sensitivity to the DC Dimming brightness flickering at the frequency of 240hz (10% brightness drop flicker(at 100% brightness), 25% brightness drop flicker(at 50% brightness), 33% brightness drop flicker (at 0% brightness)), so yes even if it doesn't have OLED PWM 10% of people still suffer from eye fatigue/pain and migraines. You could assign this DC Dimming values to the IEEE STANDARD PAR1789 PWM chart using the frequency 240hz and the modulation % as the width of the line of lowered brightness (about 18%) , using these values you get a value a couple pixels inside of the red HIGH RISK range, bad for your eyes, or rather my eyes(it could be scotopic sensitivity, or called Irlen syndrome)
I usually use my monitor an average of 14 hours daily (work/pleasure) so in a month I'm putting a little more of 400 hours, I REALLY really wanted an OLED monitor for my last monitor purchase, but spending quite a bit more than $1000 USD for something that has a burn in warranty of 3 years seems a lot of money per year of warranty to me, so I ended buying an IPS ultrawide LG 38" curved monitor, so far really happy with it, maybe OLED burn in is just an stigma??
It is. Another oled user, over 2,000 hours, no burn in.
@@shamba4406 2000 hours is literally nothing, so no wonder there's no burn in. Try 12000 hours in 7 years.
5,125 hours in my C1 48" used as a desktop monitor for WFH and gaming, zero signs of burn.
I've been using an LG C2 as my monitor for six months. Taskbar on auto-hide and a dark background with two icons, one of which is a screensaver shortcut that I use whenever I step away for a few minutes. I suspect I use the C2 much more than 8 hours per week and play multiple games with very bright and static UI elements. I have not had issues with any image retention so far.
My God, I thought the thumbnail said 1223 hZ. I must've missed a giant leap in technology
What?!? Everybody knows the human eye cannot can't see beyond a refresh rate higher than 1221Hz, everybody know that. :-P
Luckily i play games mostly at night and my eyes are very sensitive to light meaning i never have a monitor above 30 brightness. Definitly looking out for that 480hz panel dropping late this year
A few years ago, a lot of other display channels talked about burn in on oleds and all seem to agree 1000 ish hours isn't a long time.. It's just not long enough for modern OLEDs (from major manufacturers) to show any sign of burn in and only minor image retention. The Steam Deck OLED model does show burn in when "The Phawx" did a stress test but in the Steam Deck's case that system does not have any pixel shifting or pixel refresh so that's why image retention is more severe.
I use Win + R when I pause my game and leave my desk for a while. This way it well go on standby after a short time.
I am very happy with this LG OLED, too. 🎉
Genius
Until you realize that the GPU uses +100 W in menu.
@@Simon_Denmark only europoors care about electricity costs
I used my 45GR95QE for 2000 hours, it's still good.
Only disappointing thing in "vinigrette effect" with CPC is on all the time. I can turn it off in service menu, but it comes back after every power off or standby.
Thumbnail had me rolling. lol good job.
Regarding OLED, I use a completely black desktop with no icons, and I hide my start bar. So if I need to walk away from my computer, I just alt tab out of everything and move my mouse cursor to the right of the screen so it’s not on the display.
there are applications that automatifcally hide the mouse cursor after a period of inactivity. might want to try that
Yall too lazy to simply press the power button?
yeah lol@@НААТ
I do the same lol. There are some mouse cursor setting which give you the option to make the cursor black with a white outline so even if you don't swipe the mouse to the side of the screen there's still only just a few white pixels on the screen.
@@НААТ Some applications crash when you do that.
8 hours a week? Average "gamer"? Probably, if you consider people who play 1 minute a month as "gamers". Anyways, thanks for sharing your experience.
maybe they added the " 50 % " of female " gamers " who click on farmtown or w.e on facebook every now and then .
I have 3.5k hours on my LG Oled 55” it had a bit of burn in, I ran the pixel clean thing a few times and that all went away. My c2 48” has 2.6k hours, no burn in. I abused the 55” with no screen savers etc and I spend many hours a day on my pc as I am a 3d animator for a gaming company, so my screen sees a lot of static UI elements. The C2 48” I am being a bit more gentle with as in I hide the task bar and I use a screen savers and I run the pixel cleaning thing every other day.
I wish the VRR brightness flicker would be properly addressed. All marketing and reviewers act like it doesn't exist.
Luckily, it's something that you tend to see in loading screens but it can be seen in dark scenes where the FPS is jumping all over the place. I know this can be overcome by disabling G-Sync, but I'd rather not do that.
Agreed, I don’t think that I’ve even seen Tim (Monitors unboxed) mention it in any way.
@@Simon_Denmarkhe did
@@maegnificant Ah could you tell me the video title?
@@Simon_Denmark it's one of the gsync vs freesync ones
I work from home for 10 hours a day, then game an average of 4 or 5 more. At least 15 hours a day. I also use my PC overnight for rendering. I would hit 5000 hours in my first year and two thirds of that would be with static app elements from my CAD software on screen. I'm about to drop the cash on one of the new 32 inch 240hz OLEDS. Should be interesting to see how they handle a super heavy duty cycle. Luckily they have a 2 year warranty..
I just bought this monitor on sale for 650€. I used it in multi monitor setup as 2nd screen. Disable the taskbar in 2nd screen and use pure black background. The monitor looks like it's off, i love it. I only use it for content consumption like netflix and youtube. Hopefully with this steps, it'll last for years to come.
Good video for people worried about OLED burn in. C2 here with 4165 hours, all as main monitor on PC. No screen saver, often forgot to close windows on it when I leave the house. Hide the taskbar and use dark mode, 60% brightness. No signs of burn in or retention on any full screen color tests.
i have been using my C1 from 2021 august for more than !!!11000!!! hours already because i work on this and also watch films, play games etc. sot it pretty much runs 12-15 hours a day.
And i have got lots of burn-in already. It started about 2 month ago and now it became worse and worse quicker than ever. It was good until i reached the 9000-10000 hours usage threshold.
@techless i have a great deal on this monitor(lg 27gr95qe) right now , did they fix inverse ghosting with firmware ??
My AW3423DWF hit 1000 hours of usage a few days ago and it run the long screen refresh. I just checked on greyscreen and RGB for burnin and I can't see any. I used the HDR 1000 mode almost exclusively, I don't hide my taskbar, only things I do to prevent burnin is have the monitor turn off after 2 minutes of inactivity and I use 29% brightness, which is still plenty in my room. I also disable auto-HDR for some 4X games that had the bottom some UI and text glowing bright white for no reason.
i have 1900 on this monitor with no burn it whatsoever. Have taskbar and stuff, never bother to turn off the monitor manually with the remote. Literally used it as a normal monitor. Work as a data analyst 7 hours a day with most of it in rstudio IDE.
I have the "sister model" from ASUS, I use it 10 - 16 hrs a day (work and gaming 50/50) and I also have no retation so far.
I think it's because the LG and ASUS Versions automatically do short cycle cleanups everytime the monitor is turned "off" for some time.
it comes out to 3.5 hours a day, which is not very useful for me but thank for sharing.
I have a little over 1500 hours on my AW3423DW and I haven't seen any burn-in either. My monitor is set to HDR Peak 1000 with 100% Contrast in Creator mode. I attribute most of it to the diligent maintenance of the panel firmware i.e. Pixel Refresh every time I turn off my panel or every 4 hours depending on my settings + plus a Panel Refresh after 1500 hours
(I do it once a week.)
@elcactuar3354 No, it has a built-in pixel shift in the monitor to prevent burn-in. There are extra pixels at each edge of the screen and the image slowly moves in that extra space. To be honest with you I never even noticed it and I wouldn't be concerned about it personally.
@elcactuar3354 lol okay
I want an OLED so bad, but I do NOT want to babysit it. I'm not too keen on trying to make sure I vary my content just for the sake of pixels burning in.
Great video man what monitor arm is that?
using an oled for 3,5 hours a day is not straining at all, try 12 to 16 a day for actual effect.
I've been running a 27" / 1440p / 144Hz IPS screen for several years now. I'm looking at getting an equivalent size OLED monitor and this years MLA panels with improved RGB layout could be the one. The pricing is a little steep however. You could buy a 48" or larger OLED tv for the same price these monitors are going for.
My own LG OLED (same model) that I bought the day they became available recently broke (on Dec. 22, to be exact) so I got a replacement for it on December 23. My replacement already has 455 hours on-time 😂
I don't even wanna know how much on-time my previous one had. To be clear, the previous one didn't break due to burn in or something. There was a short circuit or something and it fried the board. (at least that's my conclusion after pondering the evidence for an hour).
Either way neither my previous one nor my current one show any sign of burn-in, tho my current one has a rather nasty horizontal streak of "dirty screen effect" right near the top third of the screen which in some circumstances can be very visible, whereas the old one had a flawless panel.
panel lottery
Have this monitor since launch and have 2491 hours of total power on time. The windows task bar is not set on auto hide (yes, I knew the risk) and I have no burn in or other problems with the monitor (except windows HDR things). Using the monitor most of the time with 0 % brightness except when I play Tarkov
My alienware 34 oled has been used like an ips panel and dont give a crap and leave it on and full brightness and dont care. Been a couple years now and no issues with brightness or burn in. Works amazing
I use my 65 c1 (newer WBE/EVO panel) with a PC, mostly for watching youtube, twitch, some gaming and the occasional series or movie. Twitch streams and games often have fairly bright static elements (donation names and such). Only used hide taskbar and other tricks at the beginning out of fear, but later got lazy. I have about 3500h and absolutely 0 noticable difference from new, every test pattern is perfect (apart from the slight gray vertical banding, noticeable only on test patterns, that was there from new), zero "imprints" of taskbar or other icons.
I would estimate around 50% usage is under 10 oled brightness, 40% at 35 and 10% at 100 oled brightness (dark room and usually watch in the evenings or nights).
Suggestion: if you're into setting up things, consider setting up a Home Assistant server with a motion sensor near your desk. You can automate the screen turning off and on (and even the PC in standby and auto wake up, if you wish. I do this without motion sensor, I set it up with google assistant)
Oh I was afraid you stopped uploading. Great videos, very interesting topics and professional commentary.
Great video, also i love the thumbnail xD
Ich liebe deine Videos 😂 wusste nicht, dass du Deutscher bist
okay ich habe innerhalb von 3 Sekunden gemerkt, dass er Deutscher ist, also hätte Geld verwettet, dass es so ist :D man hört einfach immer eine gewisse Akzent-Note raus, kann man glaub machen, was man will. Man muss wahrscheinlich mehrere Jahre wirklich nur Englisch reden, damit das irgendwann so gut wie weg ist haha
ist das erste Video von ihm, das mir vorgeschlagen wurde bisher und deshalb auch das erste, was ich gesehen habe. Guter erster Eindruck!
Schönes Video, Kuss auf die Nuss !
For people who have this monitor, how visible is your banding in dark grey / brown scenes? I can easily notice mine in applications like Firefox and Discord, although that doesn't bother me. I can also very rarely notice it in content like games in a particularly grey scene. Seems kinda normal and it has actually improved a bit now that Im closing in on 800hrs but I wanted to know if its normal.
Banding isn't always the fault of the display. If the programs you use display low bit images, they'll band. Test banding with images you know have color depth high enough not to contain any.
Do you mean banding as in like the ”line” looking things?
@@Simon_Denmark Yes, that's banding.
@@Simon_Denmark Yeah that's what I mean. To my knowledge all W-OLED panels have this to an extent, but it's only visible during certain conditions, usually dark grey or brown backgrounds. Mine can sometimes be seen during specific scenes.
@@Efthimisko I was wondering for a really long time what they were. I also usually notice it in Firefox. So is this only W-OLED thing?
1200 hours is around 100 days for me (no, i don't go outside). i'll wait for 50k hour reviews because i thats what i get out of my LCD's
I'm thinking about grabbing this monitor. I'm assuming that the lower brightness is the reason why it's not getting burn in?
I've got over 4000 hours on my OLED, no burn-in despite the fact that it's a TV and I use it as a PC monitor with all the protective features disabled! I do notice image retention from time to time though.
"Average gamer 7 hours per week" Who's gonna tell him?
Whoever explains averages to you first
Well, if you have to go to work every day you can probably only play like 1 hour per day if even that. Meanwhile some people could easily play 7 hours per day. Or more. Not to mention leave/forget the computer on for days. This test seems pretty mild. A monitor should last for at least a decade, not couple years. I have no trust in OLEDs yet. They are going to burn in sooner rather than later. Just look at your phone and there will probably be burn-ins already. The keyboard, clock, battery %, game interface, and so on.
Well, if you have to go to work every day you can probably only play like 1 hour per day if even that. Meanwhile some people could easily play 7 hours per day. Or more. Not to mention leave/forget the computer on for days. This test seems pretty mild. A monitor should last for at least a decade, not couple years. I have no trust in OLEDs yet. They are going to burn in sooner rather than later. Just look at your phone and there will probably be burn-ins already. The keyboard, clock, battery %, game interface, and so on.
3 years warranty from burnin from DELL is a god send. I know for a fact no matter how much is use my monitor, I'll havee a replacement if burn in happens before the 3 years mark
8 hours of programming, few hours of gaming, few hours of videos or movies. My monitor is being used 12 hours a day.
People who are worried about burn-in aren't worried about 1200 hours dude...
1200 hours is ridiculously low for a monitor. I have a dell from 2016 with 14000 hours and a lg ultragear from 2022 with 5000 hours. I got my alienware dw3423dwf 2 months ago and I try to make less hours on it but he have 400 hours already.
Hey, I have a panasonic plasma gt30 with 22000 hours and 0 burn in on all slides. I have a gt50 too with only 3500 hours
Your videography style reminds me of Optimum Tech. Very classy and good looking. Enjoyable video. Keep up the good work!
As long as you don't have it on a white grid lined MAXIMUM brightness for a good 90 hours straight, you'll be fine.
A lot of people mistake old OLED with newer better OLED's which have technology to prevent burn in
Anyone with this monitor should consider getting the LG service remote to unlock higher overall brightness.
I've had mine for 10 months and have only clocked 780 hrs and of course have had no burn in either.
Hi, Can you share what is the contrast "Trick"
Real gamers spend 7.5 hours per day gaming not per week. Until we can see 5-10x longer OLED usage with little to no degradation it will be hard to spend so much money on this technology.
Thank you for taking 1 for the team! :) I’m staying with LCDs for now because I use my monitors both for gaming and productivity. This means about 16h/d 7d/w on time for me. (Also working a lot in Outlook and Excel, that would kill an OLED :( )
That is not 100% given, but makes sense to wait a few more years to be 100% sure it would not kill it with that use. Until then the panels surely improve again.
@@NearynHubI currently use an IPS monitor as my main. It already has a temporary “burn in” during work hours, so in my case, sadly I’m sure I would have problems with an OLED. (I so wish for an OLED for gaming :( )
No it wouldn't. I know this because I used it exactly like you say. Zero burn in.
It would kill an OLED? And you're basing this claim on what? Your emotions? Did you even view the video you're commenting on, dude? I use this precise monitor for productivity. Clown.
@@d1gw33d Interesting. Very cool when people with heavy usage come out to tell people to stop worrying when using LG OLED. I really am confident with the technology, but have not used the LG C3 more than a few months.
I have the same monitor and a horrible flickering while using G-sync. Did you manage to make it work without that flickering in the dark?
Would love to see a video about some of the text fringing and the fixes out there. It’s the main thing holding me back from buying an OLED, because I use my monitor for work and gaming
Hey man, did you end up buying OLED? I have the same blocker as you and the work+OLED topic is not discussed much.
I knew this Big Burn In Fear was overblown, there is a reason why those manufacturers are so cool with giving 2 or 3 years garantees on OLED monitors ...
I mean LG just gives their typical 2 year warranty which doesn’t even make it clear if burn-in is covered. Dell for example has 3 year warranty specifically for burn-in. I did ask LG support here in EU and they did say that it’s ”usually covered in the warranty”.
@@Simon_Denmark ”usually covered in the warranty” is a clever way of saying it's not covered.
@@eudyptes5046 That’s what I meant with the quotation marks.
1223 hours is nothing. People should not talk until they accumulate 6000 hours over 2 years on such a monitor. I have the only OLED with 3 year warranty, the AW3423DWF from Dell... And it will burn in on 5% greys within 6 months as shown by RTINGS. This is just a reality of owning OLED, that's the price you pay.
There is no "risk of burn in", it is coming... As surely as our end.
LG oled has proven to be more reliable than LCD panels.
Recent stress tests show that LCD panels degrade a lot, and Mini-LED backlight suffers from degradation as well.
OLED only suffers from extreme usage with exactly the same static elements left there for years.. which is a completely unrealistic scenario.
I have over 3000k hours on my Alienware dwf 34” qd-oled. I use it over 8 hours a day for work and gaming. I skip the pixel refresh that’s required every 4 hours because it’s annoying. I do one pixel refresh a day. Have done 3 panel refreshes “just did my third a few days ago” and have zero burn in. I leave it in hdr mode 24/7 at 75% sdr brightness in windows. It’s been a tank of a monitor. I leave it on static imagines all the time for work also. It has two dead pixels but it was that way out of the box and every single monitor I’ve ever had has dead or stuck pixels so It doesn’t trigger me like it does to other people who will go to the end of the earth to get a new monitor. It’s not right I get that and agree but the return process isn’t worth a dead pixel. I rather have a dead pixel than a stuck red or green pixel. My old pos lg 34gn850 had stuck pixels and kept getting more over the years.
3000000 hours? nice
@@avalanche222 3k. 3,000. 3000k. Three thousand. Tree thousand.
@elcactuar3354 don’t know what culture thinks 3000 is 3 million but okay.
@@SVT_LIGHTNING @SVT_LIGHTNING k means "thousand" hence 1k is 1000, 10k is 10000, 3000k is 3000000.
what about text clarity ? Im thinking to change to OLED but my 80% usage time is office jobs.
I've got this resoundingly beaten with nearly 3500 on an AW3423DW from the second wave of shipments. Tons of desktop use, no burn-in. Get QD-OLED. Samsung really seems to have largely solved burn-in issues as long as you're not just leaving static images sitting for hours upon hours at a time. Even so, my PC has had insomnia a few times and had the desktop sitting on for 12+ hours. Still fine.
FWIW though I only use HDR TrueBlack 400. I don't use HDR 1000, I prefer the perfect blacks over the extra brightness. That brightness level might have something to do with the lack of burn-in.
Look at you oled phones- no burn ins
Not true and most people upgrade phone every 1-2 years anyways plus not many use constantly for 6+ hours a day with static imagery, I’ve heard people say they had burn in on phones and smart watches
Nice video. Thanks for the insight. However, I am afraid that all this is non-telling as 1.2k hours is nothing. Also, there is not enough data to evaluate how continuous use is affecting burn-in. Are two days per week of 9 to 5 the same as ~2h every day per week? People expect to use their monitors for multiple 10k hours. 1k without problems is the bare minimum, really. I would like to have another video like this in two years.