We don't generally recommend a remote ignition with this H burner setup, as it's not really a stable system. There are other remote ignition systems that work better with fire glass and we'd highly suggest them over an H burner setup. Yes, if you leave the flue and doors open, there is a chance you'll get a little draft. If that's a concern, you either want to close your flue or keep your doors installed.
In this video, we remove the glass doors and screen. It is your choice if you'd like to keep your glass doors installed or not. However, ALWAYS operate your fireplace with the glass doors OPEN. Leaving them shut while the fire is on can create excess heat buildup which could explode the glass doors. Leaving them open allows for ventilation and you shouldn't have any problems. Hopefully this answers your question. Thanks for the comment!
Yes, we have a whole line of Fireplace H Burners. We don't really recommend the H burner in this video for fire pits since the metal is thinner than a fire pit H burner, plus the connection is on the end vs. the center. We find that "center hub" H burners are much easier and better to install in a fire pit. Should give you plenty of flame based on your gas supply.
Possibly...without knowing your Superior model number, it is hard to tell for sure. It really depends on if your fireplace is direct vent, b-vent, or fully vented. Can you burn wood in your fireplace? If so, it's probably a vented fireplace and this burner would be suitable for you. If you have a solid glass panel that seals your fireplace, and you operate it by flipping a switch, you probably have a direct vent fireplace and this burner would not work properly.
The model number is DVR5 , it's vented and not possible to burn wood. The present burner is built into the floor of the unit and will have to be cut out to install any another burner. I asked my question because I have been told an entire unit is necessary including the insert. Cost estimates are from 20 to 50 thousand dollar depending on unit and labor. I can't afford that cost and looking for other options. Parts and support are no longer available on this model. Thanks @@StarfireDirect
@@georgealexander3340 I can confidently say that your fireplace is a "direct vent" fireplace which means the whole fireplace, burner, logs, etc. is a sort of like a kit that has to work together. You can't modify or change anything except to replace for an exact replacement part. It's engineered to work as is and you cannot cut out the old burner to put in a new vented H burner. The info you have been given about swapping out the entire fireplace is accurate, although 20-50k seems very high. You can buy a brand new direct vent fireplace from $2500-10k, plus labor and finish work. I've seen this done for as little as $8k and as much as $150k or more, depending on the complexity. If that is still too much, then the only solution you have is to Google "Superior DVR5 replacement parts" and buy exact parts to get your fireplace up and running. Any fireplace modifications will likely void your homeowners insurance policy and open your family up to liability that you will want to avoid at all costs. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news! Let us know how else we can help!
I guess I will have to replace everything (box, burner, and logs) but will have to do it in warmer weather so that I can do removal and installation myself. Do you have a recommendation for the insert, burner, etc I should consider before the work begins? I just really didn't want to do the extensive work myself this time but I have no options.
@@georgealexander3340 I really like Napoleon Fireplaces for the money, great product and reasonably priced. If you go to their website, you'll see a ton of direct vent options. I suggest reviewing the owners manuals to ensure that your clearances and ventilation requirements will match up, which will make your installation much easier. If you come across a Napoleon DV fireplace that you like, give us a call at 866-578-8538 and we can special order it for you and ship directly to your house. Depending on where you're at, we might not even have to charge sales tax! - Starfire Direct Customer Service
I have a ventless fireplace and use logs designed not to require a vent. After watching your excellent installation film, I am thinking that I will not be able to use American Fireglass--is that correct?
Thanks for the nice comment Michael! Unfortunately, you can't use this vented H burner (or any "vented") burner in your fireplace. If your VF fireplace is just a fire box with no built in or pre-attached burner, you should be able to get a vent free burner that is compatible with your fireplace specifications. If your VF fireplace did include a built in burner, you will probably be limited to just replacing exactly what's in there from the fireplace manufacturer.
I own a Mendota Medallion SVD 40. Your piece may not work, but still asking for your "suggestions". New burner from manufacturer. Installation. after about 40 min, blue flame "burps" to contain lots of yellow flame and a sound that continues. any thoughts?
Would love to help, but would be unable to assist with this. The burner for your fireplace is specific. Our H burner isn't compatible. And since we're not a Mendota dealer, we wouldn't know where to begin troubleshooting with you. Best to contact a Mendota dealer for help. Sorry!
Most all gas lines we've ever seen in a fireplace are 1/2". There may be the occasional 3/8" copper propane line ran into a fireplace, but this is not industry standard and is often done not to code. 1/2" iron pipe is the industry standard.
Technically, yes. You can use fire glass with a G45 with pilot system. This does present some challenges. You will need to leave the entire valve system exposed, only covering the burner with fire glass. If you're on propane, you would need to ensure the air mixer is exposed as well. It also presents challenges to the system. For instance, the APK-17 has a valve that turns. If you bury the pilot system with fire glass, it will jam and not function properly. This makes for a weird looking fire glass setup, where some of the burner is covered, and other parts are not. Not our favorite for this look. There are other remote style burners designed to be used with fire glass that we can recommend. They hide the valve controls underneath the burner which makes for a cleaner look.
I noticed that rustoleum high heat paint. On the paint can it says it isn't made to be used where it could contact a flame, i.e. Inside of grill etc. I just wanted double check it was safe to use that particular paint.
+jody jackson That is the paint we use and we have never had a problem. Gas fires are, in most cases, very controlled and we can predict how the flames will behave. As long as you H-Burner is not too large for the fireplace, the flames shouldn't be in contact with the painted walls. Of course we always recommend following the manufacturer guidelines for any product used during the installation process.
I honestly couldn't tell you! As long as the instructions read that it's for use with natural gas or propane gas, you should be fine. I think we've used all the colors, blue, yellow, white, etc...so long as it's made for the installation application, you should be in good shape.
I have a vented gas fireplace with the fake logs. Once I’ve lit the pilot light, I turn the nob to turn on the fireplace. Can I just take out the fake logs and the rack that they sit on and just put fire glass in there and used the existing burner? Or do I need to have a specific burner? Thank you.
That's a tricky question...yes...and no. There's a few things to consider: 1. Are you on natural gas or propane? Propane is more complicated compared to natural gas, and certain burners have limitations. In many cases, if you put fire glass on a propane burner, it will not work properly and can lead to damage to your controls, fireplace, or even explosion. It's very important that the correct propane burner be used in conjunction with fire glass. For natural gas, the same holds true, although there's typically less risk of explosion. 2. What type of pilot controls do you have? Often times the "turning" function of the knob becomes jammed due to pieces of fire glass getting stuck in between. Sometimes customers will cover the pilot with fire glass and this prevents it from working properly too. 3. How particular are you about aesthetics? The solution to the previous point is to cover the burner with fire glass but leave the whole pilot system exposed. This doesn't look as good and defeats the "look" people are going for with fire glass. In my experience and opinion, I would suggest getting a burner system designed for use with fire glass. The flame will likely look better and you can get the type of controls you want without sacrificing appearance. The best thing to do would be to send pictures of your fireplace to us and hop on a call with one of our sales reps. We'd be happy to walk through a few options, all while saving you as much money as possible while making your fireplace look AMAZING!
Do the glass doors have to be removed when installing fire glass? No. We did this as an example for the video, but many customers will keep the glass doors on the fireplace. The key is to make sure the doors remain OPEN when the fire is being used. Some counties require that the fireplace have doors or a screen. Again, we removed simply for illustrative purposes only.
It looks like your fireplace is a wood burning fireplace, should be fine to use our H burner. Please remember that these are designed for natural gas, so if you're on propane, this burner wouldn't be appropriate. But for natural gas, you'll be fine and I would recommend the 18" model.
I have a large fireplace and would like to use playground sand as a base to cut costs on the glass. If you lay the H-Burner directly in fireplace floor with holes down, then place the sand over it, will that work? I would assume holes go down with sand, just want to make sure you get same flame effect.
Brunla Using sand or lava rock as "filler" can help cut some of the cost, but ultimately may not be worth it. Using a filler complicates the installation. The "filler" can mix in with the glass and detract from the overall look. Also, if you ever have to perform maintenance on your fireplace, or if you move to another house and want to take everything with you, separating the glass and sand is cumbersome and much more time consuming when compared to fireplaces with fire glass only. From our perspective, we'd rather spend the extra $100 and not have to worry about any of those issues. If you're insistent on using sand, we recommend using silica sand. The holes on the burner should be facing down. Hope this helps.
Go and get aluminum screen from Lowe's or home Depot, cover the lava rock it will keep your glass and lava rock seperate and the cost down.....easy as 1-2-3
No. We typically suggest installing using JUST fire glass. Anytime you mix two elements like this, it can create soot in the glass and it's also harder to clean the glass later on. "Filler" is only suggested on very large installations that require hundreds of pounds of fire glass.
Try to use the highest temp paint you can find. We will disclose that even with a 1200 degree paint or higher, over time, the heat will likely flake off and need to be repainted. Just like a house or car, paint has a lifespan and when the fireplace is used often, it degrades over time and needs touch up. Enjoy!
I am interested in doing this with my fireplace, but the gas line is in the middle front and not to the side. Can I still use an "H" burner or will I have to settle for a single burner? I am not interested in moving the gas line to the side.... I will if I ABSOLUTELY have to.... but I am hoping to make a hook bend with the the gas line to fit it to the burner and then pour your beautiful aqua blue Firebeads on top of it. I suppose I can also buy a longer flex line as well. Just thinking about safety here. Thanks!
I did something similar but with a 24" linear single tube burner. The gas is quite loud when lit. Any advice to make it more quiet? Should I add an orifice or regulator?
Hard to say not knowing the brand or type of install...but typically the noise comes from too small of a flex line or if the gas is on too high. An orifice may help, but again, not knowing the brand or installation details, it's hard to say.
Shutting the gas off at the fireplace should be enough. The only time I can think of a reason to shut the gas off at the main would be if you were replacing the actual key valve in the wall near the fireplace. But for a burner installation, it wouldn't be necessary.
Yes, when burning natural gas, a byproduct of that is carbon monoxide. This is obviously not safe to breathe and needs to be ventilated out of the fireplace. If you had a "ventless" fireplace, all the harmful exhaust fumes would pour into the home and would be lethal. This H burner is not intended for use in Vent Free fireplaces or B Vent fireplaces. It must be a solid fuel burning fireplace (meaning wood burning) that can either be masonry or factory built.
@@haighyvshaighy you should be able to use the H burner still. Just position the H burner around the gas line. You may need a longer flex line to reach the gas line in case you have to reverse the direction of the H burner. Good rule of thumb, H burner is about 6" wide and comes in many lengths. If you decide you want a 24" H burner, just measure 24" x 6" in your fireplace and see where the H burner would sit.
Thanks! Any gas approved sealant should work. There's a brand called "Oatey" that works well, there's also a "yellow" gas approved PTFE tape that works well. Just look for "approved for natural gas, propane, etc."
Based on your description, I'm 99.9% certain you have a direct vent fireplace, which means the answer is no, you cannot use this burner in your fireplace. This H burner is a fully vented burner which puts out over 60-80k BTU's or more. Direct vent fireplaces typically are engineered to work with a specific type of burner made for that specific fireplace. The flame is rarely impressive, but the heat for gas consumption is optimized. Think of it sort of like a Toyota Prius. They are built for fuel efficiency, not for racing. If you rip out the engine and put a Chevy Big Block, the rest of the car would not work properly, brakes aren't made for stopping that sort of speed, transmission can't handle the power, etc. Simply put, that's not what it's made for. Look under your fireplace in the trap door. There's probably a metal tag that has the manufacturer, model number, serial number, BTU rating, fuel, wiring diagram, etc. If so, you will have all of the information you need to contact that manufacturer and order specific parts made for that fireplace. Any substitutions would not be recommended.
My gas supply line isn't a valve on the side (as shown in the video) it's a gas line that runs up through the floor of the fireplace. About a foot of the gas line runs through the fireplace and is connected to the old burner. Is it safe to connect an H-Burner to that gas line and light the fireplace?
Thanks for reaching out Patricia. It would be best if you reached out to our sales department to review in detail. You can email photos of your current setup and we can advise that way. Our sales department can be reached at 866-578-8538 ext 1. Thanks!
Question: For the corresponding connections shown in the video, is it OK to use properly applied yellow gas tape instead the brushed on pipe joint compound?
We just had a U burner installed in a footed tray with glass. After running the fireplace the 2 ends of burner lifted up out of the glass. How should we secure the 2 ends of the U burner so it stays flat upon cooling?
Metal expands when hot and contracts when cool. I'm not familiar with the item you had installed, not one of ours. But I wouldn't recommend trying to "secure" it since the heat may cause it to pop out of place which can shoot hot fire glass into the room. Very dangerous situation if that happens. It sounds like you may have a small amount of fire glass too. In this video, we use 80lbs which buries the H burner quite low. So you may just want to purchase more fire glass. One other note is to make sure your fireplace is even compatible with the burner you had installed. If the burner is designed for B Vent or Vent Free fireplaces, and it's being used in the wrong setting, that may be causing your issue.
@@StarfireDirect thank you very much. We have a lot of glass. Extra actually. I will have to get in touch with the place that sold it to us. I think it is just an inferior product. Thanks again for your help! Happy Holidays!
Richard Goczal Yes. Just as was shown in the video, hold a flame over the glass, and then slowly turn the gas on at the valve. Do not turn the gas before the flame is present.
Hi Holly! I would highly suggest contacting a Starfire Expert who can discuss this with you. Please chat us instantly via the chat button on our website (www.StarfireDirect.com) or you can call us at (855) 578-5450 during normal business hours. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Is this useable on a new Gas fireplace insert? I can remove the old log gas burners and replace with H burner + glass? My fireplace is a Kingsman IDV36 Insert.
Can you please give my supplies and model numbers of what i would order that was used in this video. There are several H-burner kits on your website. How much glass did you use also. Thank you.
Charisse Black The burner we used is SS-H-24. This is a 24" long burner. If that's too big, then check out the SS-H-18. We used 80 pounds of glass in this fireplace, although most fireplaces need only about 50 pounds.
The glass sort of just "mounds" in place, much like a pile of gravel would. We recommend creating a small incline from the front of the fireplace, up to the desired height, and shape the top as desired. In this video, we went approximately 4-5" in total height.
Depending on the size of your fireplace, a typical installation like this will cost between $150 and $350 dollars. We used 80 pounds of fire glass in this video, but the average fireplace can do just fine with about 50 pounds of fire glass.
i have a question i want to buy a old Victorian and it has three closed off fireplaces can i open them up and convert them to gas like you have done here if there is a gas line in place?
I noticed that the gas line in the video is sticking out of the wall like 2"? My gas line in the fireplace is sticking out around 6". Do you think this will affect installation? Thanks
Hi Patrick! Yes, longer gas lines can get in the way when attempting to install our H-burner Kit. It just depends on the overall size of your fireplace. When this is the case, we recommend you have a plumber cut the pipe back and re-thread it. For a more detailed explanation and expert assistance, please call us at 866-578-8538.
For these H burners, you don't need a pan in your fireplace. The holes are facing "UP" and should not cause issues with your floor. Traditional "pan" style burners have holes facing down since they are intended to be used with silica sand with gas logs, so this prevents the sand from clogging the burner port and helps displace the gas. It's completely different than with use with fire glass.
No, not necessary to paint. This is totally aesthetic. But the fire glass really does look great against a clean black background. Often times there are soot marks from past fires that don't look great, so painting the inside is a great way to conceal those stains. However, it is totally optional.
I was told to position the flames down. Down will create a larger flame as the natural gas mixes with oxygen. Here I’m seeing you position the burner up. Is one way right??
If you are happy with the flame performance in our video, that's what we suggest. If you want a different effect, you are welcome to try something else. But we suggest installing with the holes facing UP, not down.
We used 80lbs of 1/2" Titanium Reflective Starfire Glass. The fireplace was a 42" Builders Series fireplace, and would've been fine with 60lbs of fire glass. But for a more premium look, we went with 80lbs.
Up to you. Most would agree the flames look better with a double flame over a single flame. Plus, most "log lighters" don't give you a perfectly centered flame. Our H Burners come complete with a connection kit and most sell for less than $90. It's your fireplace, so it's your choice!
We used 1/2" Titanium Reflective fire glass. You can purchase it here: www.starfiredirect.com/1-2-titanium-reflective-fire-glass-by-starfire-glass.html
+tallswag4u Unfortunately, the H-Burner is not compatible with the BE-36-C Hearth & Home Fireplace. The BE-36-C is a direct vent fireplace appliance and you should only use factory authorized replacement parts.
Fire Glass isn't for everyone. We offer traditional gas logs too! Some customers even combine adding a little fire glass around the gas log set. Lots of options for every style!
+SuperDagod1 Without know the make and model of your fireplace, we really can't answer that question. I suggest giving our technical department a call for assistance.
Our H-Burners are for use in vented fireplace only. We do offer vent-free fire glass burners on our website here though: www.starfiredirect.com/fireplace/fireplace-burners/vent-free-burners.html
The color used in the video is discontinued. We do have something similar called 1/2" Starfire. You can check in out on our website. You might also like 1/4" Platinum Reflective.
Do you know what the average heat output from a vented model like this is? I'm not looking for a primary heat source or anything - but how well would it warm a room? Or is more decorative?
Ryan Gillette The H-Burner installed in this video is rated at about 75,000 BTU. It is considered a "decorative appliance" but, it does a good job of adding heat to the room.
This burner is specifically designed for use with natural gas. You will indeed have issues if you use an H burner with propane gas and we DO NOT recommend you do this. There are specific types of burner that are designed to be used with fire glass AND propane gas. These require safety valves. Best to contact our sales department when you're ready to move forward.
I have just had an H burner and fireglass installed, but I'm not getting much heat from it. It isn't yours, unfortunately, but can you give me some reasons, please? I did have a professional do the H burner.
You may have already found a solution since you posted 9 months ago. Most people aren't aware that fireplaces that are left open (glass doors open or none at all) will actually induce a draft that will suck the air inside the home out of the flue pipe. If you have glass doors leave them closed and the radiant heat from the hot glass will help heat the space.
DO NOT CLOSE YOUR FIREPLACE DOORS WHEN THE FIREPLACE IS IN USE. Closing your fireplace doors while the fireplace is in use may cause the glass doors to explode, shooting shards of broken glass all over your room. I repeat, DO NOT LEAVE YOUR FIREPLACE DOORS CLOSED WHILE THE FIRE IS BURNING.
***** Yes. The products shown in this video are for select vented fireplaces only. Since your fireplace is non-vented you'll need a burner system like this: ua-cam.com/video/-gCso2XGnEk/v-deo.html. Check out our website for more information.
Hi Garrett, We don't show you as a customer in our database. Did you buy your burner system from Starfire Direct? Something to consider: If your burner system came with a 3/8" flex line, this is often the culprit. Our burner systems include a 1/2" flex line which allows for better gas "flow", which should reduce the chance of whistling. Also, is your flex line a "whistle free" flex line? Meaning, is the corrugation consistent or irregular? If consistent, it is not whistle free and this would produce a whistle sound even on a very low setting. Please double check these things, as well as where you purchased the burner from so you can try to solve the whistling problem. Thanks!
+bo0bh3ad This was a fairly large fireplace so we used 80 pounds of fire glass so that we could really mound it up. Most fireplaces need between 40 and 70 pounds of fire glass. If you need to know how much fire glass you need, check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/CbMVLcPqhd0/v-deo.html
This video was helpful and very well put together. Thank you.
Thanks for a great, helpful video. It was very well done and answered many questions.
Thanks for this video. I did exactly what you said and installed this burner!!
1. Could a remote starter be added?
2. Is there a draft with no doors and flue permanently open?
We don't generally recommend a remote ignition with this H burner setup, as it's not really a stable system. There are other remote ignition systems that work better with fire glass and we'd highly suggest them over an H burner setup.
Yes, if you leave the flue and doors open, there is a chance you'll get a little draft. If that's a concern, you either want to close your flue or keep your doors installed.
Thank you for this video. Only question is can you place a glass door ?
In this video, we remove the glass doors and screen. It is your choice if you'd like to keep your glass doors installed or not. However, ALWAYS operate your fireplace with the glass doors OPEN. Leaving them shut while the fire is on can create excess heat buildup which could explode the glass doors. Leaving them open allows for ventilation and you shouldn't have any problems. Hopefully this answers your question. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks for , helpful video. It was very well done and answered many questions.
Anytime Jay! If you have any other questions, feel free to call our Sales team at (855) 578-5450. We're here to help!
This is gorgeous...me want!
got one that can installed like this in outside fire pit,, we need a place to be warm and sort high flamed in fall?spring weather,,,
Yes, we have a whole line of Fireplace H Burners. We don't really recommend the H burner in this video for fire pits since the metal is thinner than a fire pit H burner, plus the connection is on the end vs. the center. We find that "center hub" H burners are much easier and better to install in a fire pit. Should give you plenty of flame based on your gas supply.
I need to replace the gas burner in my old Superior fireplace. Is this a suitable replacement?
Possibly...without knowing your Superior model number, it is hard to tell for sure. It really depends on if your fireplace is direct vent, b-vent, or fully vented. Can you burn wood in your fireplace? If so, it's probably a vented fireplace and this burner would be suitable for you. If you have a solid glass panel that seals your fireplace, and you operate it by flipping a switch, you probably have a direct vent fireplace and this burner would not work properly.
The model number is DVR5 , it's vented and not possible to burn wood. The present burner is built into the floor of the unit and will have to be cut out to install any another burner. I asked my question because I have been told an entire unit is necessary including the insert. Cost estimates are from 20 to 50 thousand dollar depending on unit and labor. I can't afford that cost and looking for other options. Parts and support are no longer available on this model. Thanks @@StarfireDirect
@@georgealexander3340 I can confidently say that your fireplace is a "direct vent" fireplace which means the whole fireplace, burner, logs, etc. is a sort of like a kit that has to work together. You can't modify or change anything except to replace for an exact replacement part. It's engineered to work as is and you cannot cut out the old burner to put in a new vented H burner.
The info you have been given about swapping out the entire fireplace is accurate, although 20-50k seems very high. You can buy a brand new direct vent fireplace from $2500-10k, plus labor and finish work. I've seen this done for as little as $8k and as much as $150k or more, depending on the complexity.
If that is still too much, then the only solution you have is to Google "Superior DVR5 replacement parts" and buy exact parts to get your fireplace up and running. Any fireplace modifications will likely void your homeowners insurance policy and open your family up to liability that you will want to avoid at all costs.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news! Let us know how else we can help!
I guess I will have to replace everything (box, burner, and logs) but will have to do it in warmer weather so that I can do removal and installation myself. Do you have a recommendation for the insert, burner, etc I should consider before the work begins? I just really didn't want to do the extensive work myself this time but I have no options.
@@georgealexander3340 I really like Napoleon Fireplaces for the money, great product and reasonably priced. If you go to their website, you'll see a ton of direct vent options. I suggest reviewing the owners manuals to ensure that your clearances and ventilation requirements will match up, which will make your installation much easier.
If you come across a Napoleon DV fireplace that you like, give us a call at 866-578-8538 and we can special order it for you and ship directly to your house. Depending on where you're at, we might not even have to charge sales tax!
- Starfire Direct Customer Service
Wow. Beautiful!
I have a ventless fireplace and use logs designed not to require a vent. After watching your excellent installation film, I am thinking that I will not be able to use American Fireglass--is that correct?
Thanks for the nice comment Michael! Unfortunately, you can't use this vented H burner (or any "vented") burner in your fireplace. If your VF fireplace is just a fire box with no built in or pre-attached burner, you should be able to get a vent free burner that is compatible with your fireplace specifications. If your VF fireplace did include a built in burner, you will probably be limited to just replacing exactly what's in there from the fireplace manufacturer.
I own a Mendota Medallion SVD 40. Your piece may not work, but still asking for your "suggestions".
New burner from manufacturer. Installation. after about 40 min, blue flame "burps" to contain lots of yellow flame and a sound that continues. any thoughts?
Would love to help, but would be unable to assist with this. The burner for your fireplace is specific. Our H burner isn't compatible. And since we're not a Mendota dealer, we wouldn't know where to begin troubleshooting with you. Best to contact a Mendota dealer for help. Sorry!
What size gas line do you have feeding the burner. 3/8 or 1/2 ,inch
Most all gas lines we've ever seen in a fireplace are 1/2". There may be the occasional 3/8" copper propane line ran into a fireplace, but this is not industry standard and is often done not to code. 1/2" iron pipe is the industry standard.
Thank you this video was very helpful
+Jeannette Jimenez You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
Can this application work with a rhpeterson G45 burner equipped with an APK-17 pilot system?
Technically, yes. You can use fire glass with a G45 with pilot system. This does present some challenges. You will need to leave the entire valve system exposed, only covering the burner with fire glass. If you're on propane, you would need to ensure the air mixer is exposed as well. It also presents challenges to the system. For instance, the APK-17 has a valve that turns. If you bury the pilot system with fire glass, it will jam and not function properly. This makes for a weird looking fire glass setup, where some of the burner is covered, and other parts are not. Not our favorite for this look.
There are other remote style burners designed to be used with fire glass that we can recommend. They hide the valve controls underneath the burner which makes for a cleaner look.
I noticed that rustoleum high heat paint. On the paint can it says it isn't made to be used where it could contact a flame, i.e. Inside of grill etc. I just wanted double check it was safe to use that particular paint.
+jody jackson That is the paint we use and we have never had a problem. Gas fires are, in most cases, very controlled and we can predict how the flames will behave. As long as you H-Burner is not too large for the fireplace, the flames shouldn't be in contact with the painted walls. Of course we always recommend following the manufacturer guidelines for any product used during the installation process.
I see you are using Oatey Great White Pipe Compound. What's the difference between White & Blue? Is there an advantage to using one or the other?
I honestly couldn't tell you! As long as the instructions read that it's for use with natural gas or propane gas, you should be fine. I think we've used all the colors, blue, yellow, white, etc...so long as it's made for the installation application, you should be in good shape.
I have a vented gas fireplace with the fake logs. Once I’ve lit the pilot light, I turn the nob to turn on the fireplace. Can I just take out the fake logs and the rack that they sit on and just put fire glass in there and used the existing burner? Or do I need to have a specific burner?
Thank you.
That's a tricky question...yes...and no.
There's a few things to consider:
1. Are you on natural gas or propane? Propane is more complicated compared to natural gas, and certain burners have limitations. In many cases, if you put fire glass on a propane burner, it will not work properly and can lead to damage to your controls, fireplace, or even explosion. It's very important that the correct propane burner be used in conjunction with fire glass. For natural gas, the same holds true, although there's typically less risk of explosion.
2. What type of pilot controls do you have? Often times the "turning" function of the knob becomes jammed due to pieces of fire glass getting stuck in between. Sometimes customers will cover the pilot with fire glass and this prevents it from working properly too.
3. How particular are you about aesthetics? The solution to the previous point is to cover the burner with fire glass but leave the whole pilot system exposed. This doesn't look as good and defeats the "look" people are going for with fire glass.
In my experience and opinion, I would suggest getting a burner system designed for use with fire glass. The flame will likely look better and you can get the type of controls you want without sacrificing appearance. The best thing to do would be to send pictures of your fireplace to us and hop on a call with one of our sales reps. We'd be happy to walk through a few options, all while saving you as much money as possible while making your fireplace look AMAZING!
Does the glass have to off? We were thinking about getting this done, but sometimes we have kids over. Clumsy kids.
Do the glass doors have to be removed when installing fire glass? No. We did this as an example for the video, but many customers will keep the glass doors on the fireplace. The key is to make sure the doors remain OPEN when the fire is being used. Some counties require that the fireplace have doors or a screen. Again, we removed simply for illustrative purposes only.
Can I use an hburner on my heatilator ec36?
It looks like your fireplace is a wood burning fireplace, should be fine to use our H burner. Please remember that these are designed for natural gas, so if you're on propane, this burner wouldn't be appropriate. But for natural gas, you'll be fine and I would recommend the 18" model.
I have a large fireplace and would like to use playground sand as a base to cut costs on the glass. If you lay the H-Burner directly in fireplace floor with holes down, then place the sand over it, will that work? I would assume holes go down with sand, just want to make sure you get same flame effect.
Brunla Using sand or lava rock as "filler" can help cut some of the cost, but ultimately may not be worth it. Using a filler complicates the installation. The "filler" can mix in with the glass and detract from the overall look. Also, if you ever have to perform maintenance on your fireplace, or if you move to another house and want to take everything with you, separating the glass and sand is cumbersome and much more time consuming when compared to fireplaces with fire glass only. From our perspective, we'd rather spend the extra $100 and not have to worry about any of those issues. If you're insistent on using sand, we recommend using silica sand. The holes on the burner should be facing down. Hope this helps.
Go and get aluminum screen from Lowe's or home Depot, cover the lava rock it will keep your glass and lava rock seperate and the cost down.....easy as 1-2-3
I'm totally doing this, this weekend!
Is silica sand required as a base layer under the glass?
No. We typically suggest installing using JUST fire glass. Anytime you mix two elements like this, it can create soot in the glass and it's also harder to clean the glass later on. "Filler" is only suggested on very large installations that require hundreds of pounds of fire glass.
What temperature rated paint did you use? 1000 degree, 1200 degree.. etc
Try to use the highest temp paint you can find. We will disclose that even with a 1200 degree paint or higher, over time, the heat will likely flake off and need to be repainted. Just like a house or car, paint has a lifespan and when the fireplace is used often, it degrades over time and needs touch up. Enjoy!
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I am interested in doing this with my fireplace, but the gas line is in the middle front and not to the side. Can I still use an "H" burner or will I have to settle for a single burner? I am not interested in moving the gas line to the side.... I will if I ABSOLUTELY have to.... but I am hoping to make a hook bend with the the gas line to fit it to the burner and then pour your beautiful aqua blue Firebeads on top of it. I suppose I can also buy a longer flex line as well. Just thinking about safety here. Thanks!
Give us a call and we can help you figure everything out. We have lots of different burners and parts that will work for your fireplace.
Super! Thank you!
I did something similar but with a 24" linear single tube burner. The gas is quite loud when lit. Any advice to make it more quiet? Should I add an orifice or regulator?
Hard to say not knowing the brand or type of install...but typically the noise comes from too small of a flex line or if the gas is on too high. An orifice may help, but again, not knowing the brand or installation details, it's hard to say.
Is just shutting the gas off at the fireplace enough or should you do it at the main shut off also?
Shutting the gas off at the fireplace should be enough. The only time I can think of a reason to shut the gas off at the main would be if you were replacing the actual key valve in the wall near the fireplace. But for a burner installation, it wouldn't be necessary.
Just curious, why do you have to use a vented option for this? Does the glass and flame produce a soot or high carbon monoxide?
Yes, when burning natural gas, a byproduct of that is carbon monoxide. This is obviously not safe to breathe and needs to be ventilated out of the fireplace. If you had a "ventless" fireplace, all the harmful exhaust fumes would pour into the home and would be lethal. This H burner is not intended for use in Vent Free fireplaces or B Vent fireplaces. It must be a solid fuel burning fireplace (meaning wood burning) that can either be masonry or factory built.
My gas supply comes from the floor of my fireplace and not one of the side walls. Would my supply location be an obstacle for an H burner?
@@haighyvshaighy you should be able to use the H burner still. Just position the H burner around the gas line. You may need a longer flex line to reach the gas line in case you have to reverse the direction of the H burner. Good rule of thumb, H burner is about 6" wide and comes in many lengths. If you decide you want a 24" H burner, just measure 24" x 6" in your fireplace and see where the H burner would sit.
Great video. What type of pipe sealant should I buy? Thanks
Thanks! Any gas approved sealant should work. There's a brand called "Oatey" that works well, there's also a "yellow" gas approved PTFE tape that works well. Just look for "approved for natural gas, propane, etc."
can i use this kit with a gas fireplace that has a solid glass front, there are no louvered doors or mess screen
Based on your description, I'm 99.9% certain you have a direct vent fireplace, which means the answer is no, you cannot use this burner in your fireplace. This H burner is a fully vented burner which puts out over 60-80k BTU's or more. Direct vent fireplaces typically are engineered to work with a specific type of burner made for that specific fireplace. The flame is rarely impressive, but the heat for gas consumption is optimized.
Think of it sort of like a Toyota Prius. They are built for fuel efficiency, not for racing. If you rip out the engine and put a Chevy Big Block, the rest of the car would not work properly, brakes aren't made for stopping that sort of speed, transmission can't handle the power, etc. Simply put, that's not what it's made for.
Look under your fireplace in the trap door. There's probably a metal tag that has the manufacturer, model number, serial number, BTU rating, fuel, wiring diagram, etc. If so, you will have all of the information you need to contact that manufacturer and order specific parts made for that fireplace. Any substitutions would not be recommended.
@@StarfireDirect thank you for in-depth and honest explanation I will look for that information
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You're very welcome. Glad we could help.
My gas supply line isn't a valve on the side (as shown in the video) it's a gas line that runs up through the floor of the fireplace. About a foot of the gas line runs through the fireplace and is connected to the old burner. Is it safe to connect an H-Burner to that gas line and light the fireplace?
Thanks for reaching out Patricia. It would be best if you reached out to our sales department to review in detail. You can email photos of your current setup and we can advise that way. Our sales department can be reached at 866-578-8538 ext 1. Thanks!
Question:
For the corresponding connections shown in the video, is it OK to use properly applied yellow gas tape instead the brushed on pipe joint compound?
Yes, Teflon tape is OK to use. We just prefer the pipe joint compound.
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We just had a U burner installed in a footed tray with glass. After running the fireplace the 2 ends of burner lifted up out of the glass. How should we secure the 2 ends of the U burner so it stays flat upon cooling?
Metal expands when hot and contracts when cool. I'm not familiar with the item you had installed, not one of ours. But I wouldn't recommend trying to "secure" it since the heat may cause it to pop out of place which can shoot hot fire glass into the room. Very dangerous situation if that happens. It sounds like you may have a small amount of fire glass too. In this video, we use 80lbs which buries the H burner quite low. So you may just want to purchase more fire glass.
One other note is to make sure your fireplace is even compatible with the burner you had installed. If the burner is designed for B Vent or Vent Free fireplaces, and it's being used in the wrong setting, that may be causing your issue.
@@StarfireDirect thank you very much. We have a lot of glass. Extra actually. I will have to get in touch with the place that sold it to us. I think it is just an inferior product. Thanks again for your help! Happy Holidays!
Once he project is complete, to start the fire do you just turn on the gas and hold a match over the glass?
Richard Goczal Yes. Just as was shown in the video, hold a flame over the glass, and then slowly turn the gas on at the valve. Do not turn the gas before the flame is present.
why is another gas output pipe needed to be installed please?
How do you remove an old burner from the 80’s? I would love to switch it out and get this one instead.
Hi Holly!
I would highly suggest contacting a Starfire Expert who can discuss this with you. Please chat us instantly via the chat button on our website (www.StarfireDirect.com) or you can call us at (855) 578-5450 during normal business hours. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Is this useable on a new Gas fireplace insert? I can remove the old log gas burners and replace with H burner + glass? My fireplace is a Kingsman IDV36 Insert.
astigo55 The Fire Glass and H-Burner you see in our video are not compatible with your Kingsman Fireplace Insert.
Can you please give my supplies and model numbers of what i would order that was used in this video. There are several H-burner kits on your website. How much glass did you use also. Thank you.
Charisse Black The burner we used is SS-H-24. This is a 24" long burner. If that's too big, then check out the SS-H-18. We used 80 pounds of glass in this fireplace, although most fireplaces need only about 50 pounds.
what holds the glass beads in?
The glass sort of just "mounds" in place, much like a pile of gravel would. We recommend creating a small incline from the front of the fireplace, up to the desired height, and shape the top as desired. In this video, we went approximately 4-5" in total height.
What was the total cost of this job and how many lbs of glass was used?
Depending on the size of your fireplace, a typical installation like this will cost between $150 and $350 dollars. We used 80 pounds of fire glass in this video, but the average fireplace can do just fine with about 50 pounds of fire glass.
i have a question i want to buy a old Victorian and it has three closed off fireplaces can i open them up and convert them to gas like you have done here if there is a gas line in place?
There are too many variables to give you a straight answer here. I suggest calling or emailing us at info@starfiredirect.com or 866-578-8538.
Nice product. Is this available in canada?
Thank you for reaching out. We can ship these products to Canada. Please call us at 866-578-8538 to get an order placed.
I noticed that the gas line in the video is sticking out of the wall like 2"? My gas line in the fireplace is sticking out around 6". Do you think this will affect installation? Thanks
Hi Patrick! Yes, longer gas lines can get in the way when attempting to install our H-burner Kit. It just depends on the overall size of your fireplace. When this is the case, we recommend you have a plumber cut the pipe back and re-thread it. For a more detailed explanation and expert assistance, please call us at 866-578-8538.
do you not need a burner pan under the pipe?
For these H burners, you don't need a pan in your fireplace. The holes are facing "UP" and should not cause issues with your floor. Traditional "pan" style burners have holes facing down since they are intended to be used with silica sand with gas logs, so this prevents the sand from clogging the burner port and helps displace the gas. It's completely different than with use with fire glass.
Question: Is it really necessary to paint the fireplace before installing the fire glass?
No, not necessary to paint. This is totally aesthetic. But the fire glass really does look great against a clean black background. Often times there are soot marks from past fires that don't look great, so painting the inside is a great way to conceal those stains. However, it is totally optional.
I was told to position the flames down. Down will create a larger flame as the natural gas mixes with oxygen. Here I’m seeing you position the burner up. Is one way right??
If you are happy with the flame performance in our video, that's what we suggest. If you want a different effect, you are welcome to try something else. But we suggest installing with the holes facing UP, not down.
I'm wondering how much fireglass was used, since they come in 10pounds
We used 80lbs of 1/2" Titanium Reflective Starfire Glass. The fireplace was a 42" Builders Series fireplace, and would've been fine with 60lbs of fire glass. But for a more premium look, we went with 80lbs.
Do I have to use an H burner or will my single burner work?
Up to you. Most would agree the flames look better with a double flame over a single flame. Plus, most "log lighters" don't give you a perfectly centered flame. Our H Burners come complete with a connection kit and most sell for less than $90. It's your fireplace, so it's your choice!
what size glass used in this video 1/4 in or 1/2 in
We used 1/2" Titanium Reflective fire glass. You can purchase it here: www.starfiredirect.com/1-2-titanium-reflective-fire-glass-by-starfire-glass.html
Hello, is this H-Burner compatible with Hearth & Home model : BE-36-C?
+tallswag4u Unfortunately, the H-Burner is not compatible with the BE-36-C Hearth & Home Fireplace. The BE-36-C is a direct vent fireplace appliance and you should only use factory authorized replacement parts.
Way to modern for me, I love traditional fireplaces
Fire Glass isn't for everyone. We offer traditional gas logs too! Some customers even combine adding a little fire glass around the gas log set. Lots of options for every style!
What size H burner do I need?
Depends on the size of your fireplace. Most fireplaces take an 18" or 24" burner, but you should refer to the owners manual for the sizing guide.
If I switch to fire glass will the back walls still get hot so i can use the fan and heat my livingroom
+SuperDagod1 Without know the make and model of your fireplace, we really can't answer that question. I suggest giving our technical department a call for assistance.
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would these work with a heatilator GDCH60 (3 sided)? I want to ditch the old looking logs and black rock
did you find out if the H Pipe will work with a heatilator?
They never replied and no, I'm still unsure
I installed it and rerouted the gas line. installed a fireplace key. I'm just concerned about the flue. I would think it would be fine.
Let me know!
You cannot use an h-burner in the Heatilator GDCH60 fireplace.
To use a H Burner do you need a vented fireplace or is this ventless I have an old log fireplace
Our H-Burners are for use in vented fireplace only. We do offer vent-free fire glass burners on our website here though: www.starfiredirect.com/fireplace/fireplace-burners/vent-free-burners.html
What color is that fire glass?
1/2" Titanium Reflective by Starfire Glass
Do you need to put a glass back on ?
+Jeannette Jimenez It will depend on what your local code dictates.
what color glass crystals were used in this fireplace??
The color used in the video is discontinued. We do have something similar called 1/2" Starfire. You can check in out on our website. You might also like 1/4" Platinum Reflective.
Thank you for the response! I will check it out.
Do you know what the average heat output from a vented model like this is? I'm not looking for a primary heat source or anything - but how well would it warm a room? Or is more decorative?
Ryan Gillette The H-Burner installed in this video is rated at about 75,000 BTU. It is considered a "decorative appliance" but, it does a good job of adding heat to the room.
Hi
I am looking to buy the H burner and the fireglass, but live in the UK, London.
Would you ship to here?
Starfire Direct
Does flex connector pipe meet code in Texas?
Can I convert my propane gas logs to linear by using this type of H burner and the glass material?
This burner is specifically designed for use with natural gas. You will indeed have issues if you use an H burner with propane gas and we DO NOT recommend you do this. There are specific types of burner that are designed to be used with fire glass AND propane gas. These require safety valves. Best to contact our sales department when you're ready to move forward.
I have just had an H burner and fireglass installed, but I'm not getting much heat from it. It isn't yours, unfortunately, but can you give me some reasons, please? I did have a professional do the H burner.
You may have already found a solution since you posted 9 months ago. Most people aren't aware that fireplaces that are left open (glass doors open or none at all) will actually induce a draft that will suck the air inside the home out of the flue pipe. If you have glass doors leave them closed and the radiant heat from the hot glass will help heat the space.
DO NOT CLOSE YOUR FIREPLACE DOORS WHEN THE FIREPLACE IS IN USE. Closing your fireplace doors while the fireplace is in use may cause the glass doors to explode, shooting shards of broken glass all over your room. I repeat, DO NOT LEAVE YOUR FIREPLACE DOORS CLOSED WHILE THE FIRE IS BURNING.
my fireplace is natural gas but NOT VENTED...you mentioned VENTED...will this not work for me?
***** Yes. The products shown in this video are for select vented fireplaces only. Since your fireplace is non-vented you'll need a burner system like this: ua-cam.com/video/-gCso2XGnEk/v-deo.html. Check out our website for more information.
Is it normal to smell like paint after the first use?
Fresh paint can cause an odor that may take a couple of days to wear off. The smell should go away with use.
Starfire Direct I really appreciate your reply and yes I used it 2 times and the smell is gone. Thanks
My fireplace has a whistling sound unless the gas is turned down very low. You can hear it in the entire house.
Hi Garrett,
We don't show you as a customer in our database. Did you buy your burner system from Starfire Direct?
Something to consider: If your burner system came with a 3/8" flex line, this is often the culprit. Our burner systems include a 1/2" flex line which allows for better gas "flow", which should reduce the chance of whistling. Also, is your flex line a "whistle free" flex line? Meaning, is the corrugation consistent or irregular? If consistent, it is not whistle free and this would produce a whistle sound even on a very low setting.
Please double check these things, as well as where you purchased the burner from so you can try to solve the whistling problem. Thanks!
How many pounds of fire glass was used for this project?
+bo0bh3ad This was a fairly large fireplace so we used 80 pounds of fire glass so that we could really mound it up. Most fireplaces need between 40 and 70 pounds of fire glass. If you need to know how much fire glass you need, check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/CbMVLcPqhd0/v-deo.html
Did You make it with woodprix instructions?
No bu