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Picking a Vented Gas Log Burner Set (Top 5 Things to Know)
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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2024
- Picking a Vented Gas Log Burner Set (Top 5 Things to Know)
Before you purchase a new vented gas log burner--or vented gas logs--for your fireplace, there are five essential considerations you need to review. They are your existing fireplace's compatibility with vented gas systems, the fuel type your home is set up for, what size will look the best and be the safest in your fireplace's hearth, what ignition type works best for your budget and convenience requirements, and which style logs will bring the right look to your home. Each topic is covered in depth, with the hopes of giving you the confidence to purchase the right vented set for your fireplace.
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0:00 Introduction
0:52 Fireplace Compatibility
1:40 Fuel Type
2:01 Sizing Your Fireplace
2:49 Choosing Your Burner
6:30 Selecting The Logs
Very helpful. Thanks.
Awesome video,your voice and sense of calm is perfect and your information. I have a wood burning fireplace that’s a zero clearance unit that comes with 2 air intake pipes and comes with a bottom blower and it comes with doors. So basically I could convert my wood fireplace in to a gas log unit and utilize it like a “close insert unit” i hear about how gas logs are so inefficient etc. but with this setup I don’t have the drawbacks of heat lost or all the other problems.
Thanks for the nice comments Danny! Yes, zero clearance fireplaces are great and offer a lot more flexibility with installation. It sounds like the unit you have does a nice job of controlling heat and ventilation, so nice job with that! Combining those upgraded features with a beautiful gas log set should get you some nice efficiency.
Thanks again for watching! Make sure to subscribe to help our channel out ;-)
Very helpful. I will purchase my logs from you in support of help like this.
Thanks so much for your support! It's loyal customers like you that help us continue putting out content like this. Thank you for choosing Starfire Direct for your gas logs! And please, make sure to call us with any questions before or after. We're here to support you!
How can anyone dislike this video?.....by far, the absolute best video I've ever watched on youtube. Very well spoken and informative, from start to finish, out f'n standing, salute!!!
Thanks so much for the great support Lonnie! We spent a lot of time on it and based it off of years of the most popular questions. Thrilled to know it's been received so well!!
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Glad to help how we can!
Love the Klipsch towers
Thanks! They sound great!
Very informative...thank you for sharing!
Thanks so much!!
Great Video....i learned so much. Awesome guys !!!
Thanks! We appreciate the positive feedback!
Very informative, thank you. Well done video also.
Thanks! We work hard so you don't have to!
Thanks so much! We try our best!
Good information and nice Klipsch speaker in the background! 😊 As a critique the background music is a bit too loud.
Thanks Randy! We agree, the music was a bit too loud. Next one will be better, always learning and improving 😀
This video was very helpful, thank you
Thanks! Glad it helped you!!
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My new gas log fireplace has a lots cold air comes out. What shall I do to stop it?
There should be a flue damper that you can close while not in use which will reduce the cold air. If you have glass doors, you can also keep them closed.
Don't really think there's much else that can be done without getting a bit creative.
Thank you for a great video lots help
Very helpful. I have a small fireplace in my dining room and I want to convert to gas but my local fireplace companies have been trying to sell me $6,000 and $7,000 gas inserts So I have not come to a place but understanding until now so thank you. My issue is don't want much heat, just aesthetics. We have a small dining room with a small fireplace and I don't want everybody to have to strip down their t-shirts! Are there logs that actually help direct the heat up the chimney?
I get it, a fireplace remodel can get expensive and inserts are also pricey. If you can get a plumber to run a gas line to your fireplace, along with a key valve in the wall next to the fireplace, you can install a gas log set or fire glass and come in well under your $7k quote. This will give you the ambiance you want, but you'll also get great heat! Heat may not be your goal, but it's always nice to know you have the option.
At my house, we keep the flame on a low/med setting while watching movies or with company, not so much for heat but for ambiance. Most of the heat will go up the chimney on a low setting. But don't be confused, a vented gas log set on med/high can pump some serious heat into the room!
Hope this helps! Feel free to give us a call to discuss your project in more detail. You can send us pics and we'd be happy to offer more suggestions. 866-578-8538
You didn’t mention the G-46 burner. How does it compare to the G-45?
Hi Bella! That is a good question! The G46 is a good option as well. The G46 is designed to have a Safety Pilot valve as a minimum requirement, with a variety of valve options/control options such as, remotes with standing and Non-Standing Pilots. You can fit a larger burner with a pilot valve on the G46, compared to the G45 (Based on your fireplace dimensions/clearances). On the other hand, the G45 does have a higher BTU capacity than the G46. Feel free to call our helpful sales team if you have any further questions: (866) 578-8538. 🔥🔥🔥
So, the 3 pos (off/pilot/on) valve lights the pilot, then turns to ON to light the logs. For the remote to work, the “toggle” switch now goes to OFF, and the remote turns on and off the logs. Does the 3 pos valve “stay” in ON for continuous use?
The toggle should basically replace the remote, think of it as a manual override, similar to the buttons on a TV. So when you toggle to "off", that turns off the flame, "on" turns on the flame, and "remote" should turn the set off and defer to the remote. Of course, I'm referring to the black battery receiver box that sits inside the fireplace. If you're referring to the actual pilot assembly and knob, I'm familiar with off/pilot/on like you mentioned. Not sure about "stay"? But assuming there is a "stay" feature, then I would assume it keeps the flame on.
Again, this video is showing the most popular valves we sell and these do not have a stay feature. Perhaps it's changed since the making of this video. Hope that helps!
I love everything about this stove except one thing. I wish you could always see if the pilot light is lite or not.
Thanks so much! Glad this video was able to help you 😊
The pilot is a "standing" pilot, meaning it is always on, so long as you don't shut it off. So as long as the main fire is burning, the pilot will remain lit. When you shut off the main fire, the pilot will remain lit until next use. If you shut it off, you would need to relight the pilot before next use.
Hope this helps!
This is so helpful, going to try and order from you to support this content.
Thanks Timothy! We appreciate your support. These videos take a lot of time and money to produce, so when we have loyal customers like you that benefit from these videos and still buy from us, we are able to continue producing great content and helping more customers. We're a small family run business out of California, so your support is very much appreciated!!
Can I remove the lava rocks and replace them with pebble or crushed glass and what kind would I need, this will be on a direct vent glass and screen fireplace and it has ceramics logs. Thank you. Before I go and buy the wrong glass.
The "correct" answer is that, unless the owners manual specifically calls out that you can use fire glass in place of lava rock, no, you cannot change it. This could potentially void your warranty and/or insurance policy in the event the fireplace overheats and the house burns down.
Sorry, don't mean to sound so dramatic, but this is the answer we're taught in all safety books and we always want to err on the side of caution!
The "incorrect" answer is that, if there is no flame where the lava rock is, there should be no problem with exchanging it with fire glass. However, you wouldn't want to cover the burner ports or areas where flame is at because this could cause your direct vent fireplace to malfunction or overheat.
It would be helpful to know the make and model of your fireplace so we can offer more insights. Feel free to call our sales department at 866-578-8538 to have them advise further. Thanks!
i have a free standing masonry wood fireplace open on one side only. i contracted with an outfit to install a LP gas unit unit in the existing opening but also wanted to make it a see through fireplace open also on the dining room side. this was accomplished, smoke shelf eliminated, and gas unit installed. chimney flue size was more than adequate. the soot emitted from it was so great that you could see the haze in the air, so the contractor installed glass doors on the DR side but the haze continued unabated. then i installed a 6" baffle across the entire width of the opening from the top down effectively reducing the overall opening by about 25% and with that in place with the DR side glass doors closed it seemed to alleviate the soot problem. but then, looking through the glass doors to the other side, you could still see the cloud of soot being emitted up the chimney. what causes all this XXXXXXX soot? please, a response would be greatly appreciated...
john b
Yes, that sounds like a tricky situation. There are a few things to consider...
The very first thing I would check is to make sure an AIR MIXER was installed on the burner. For propane to burn effectively, you should shoot for a 1:24 ratio, meaning 24 parts air for 1 part propane. The air mixing with the propane gives a air/fuel mixture that allows for cleaner combustion. When this ratio is less, meaning less air is mixing with the propane, the flame will burn with more soot since due to "incomplete combustion". Depending on the burner purchased, and who installed it, this may have been overlooked. If there is no air mixer, pure propane is coming out of the burner holes and mixing with oxygen under the logs. Although there would be flame, the propane mixture is too rich causing excess sooting. The solution is making sure there's an air mixer installed and it's sized properly.
The second thing I would check for is proper pressures. Most log sets are designed to use around 1/2" PSI or a certain amount of water column between 5-11". If you have too much pressure, even if an air mixer is installed, it would cause more propane to come out of the burner than what the air mixer is designed for. This is probably the most commonly overlooked problem, making sure the input requirements match manufacturer requirements, especially with propane.
Finally, the issue may very well be the opening of the fireplace that was added. When you have a single sided fireplace, air can only enter and combust from the one side, causing a draft that forces the exhaust up and out of the chimney. When you opened the other side, air is now entering both sides, but if there is low pressure from one side of the fireplace or the other, it could be enough to push the exhaust out the other side. Also, the flue may be directional and by opening the other side, the draft may be hitting the flue forcing it back down.
At the end of the day, these are just a few simple suggestions that may help you out. The best advice I can offer is to pay an actual NFI certified fireplace professional to come out and do an inspection. Fireplaces are unique and you'll want someone with qualified experience to assist in troubleshooting for you.
Hope this helps!
wow after all that helpful information he didn't even give you a thumbs up. in my eyes he didn't deserve this response...
What an excellent video with a wonderful delivery by the spokesman! Question please - We just moved to Texas and this home has a natural gas fireplace with flute/chimney. The fireplace has no gas log installed and starts by using a match to light the flame once gas is turned on. Can this be replaced with a safer G45 unit? Also does a vented gas log unit offer warmth heating? We would only use the fireplace during winter if power goes out. Thanks.
Hi Jon,
Thanks for the comments! It sounds like you do indeed have a "vented" fireplace, which should be fine to use a G45 burner in. These gas logs absolutely will put out heat, in fact, some of the most heat available with a vented log set! Great idea using this in the winter for ambiance, but also safety. When there was that Texas freeze a while back, we had several customers let us know that the logs they bought from us pretty much saved them during winter. Pretty cool to hear that!
Give our sales team a call at 866-578-8538 so we can guide you in the right direction. Thanks Jon!
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Simple question please: with regard to the Peterson G31, G45 and G52 Real Fyre vented burners, which of these produces the biggest, most realistic flames?
Almost 2 years later!
I ended up buying the G45 with the safety pilot with remote and couldn't be happier. Should have done it years ago. I should also add that when operating, the G45 (although "vented"), heats my entire downstairs (approx. 1,000 sq. ft) to 73 degrees (in Rochester, NY) keeping my furnace off well after I go to bed. It's a bit pricey, but when you factor in the cost of having a wood fire each day all winter long (firewood purchase, stacking, moving wood for each use, constant cleanup, seasonal chimney sweep, etc.) there is no comparison. Happy customer here for sure!
really well done video, clear and informative, thank you
Thanks Tom! These questions come up a lot, so we thought "hey, we should make a video about this!" Appreciate the positive feedback!
Do all gas fireplaces have a loud hissing noise? The house we bought last year has a really old natural gas burner system and log and if I turn the gas up all the way it's pretty noisy. Have things improved in the noise area?
That's a great question! The short answer is yes...and no. The more gas you burn, the louder it becomes. So a vent free burner that has a max BTU rating of 40k will be comparably quiet to a fully vented (like in our video) burner that has a BTU rating of 80k. Twice the gas burning will mean more gas flowing through the connection hoses and burner, which creates sound, and also the actual sound of the flame, which is definitely not noiseless.
An example is a real wood fire...you would still hear the flame. Another example is your air conditioning in your car...on low, it's hardly noticeable, but on high, it's quite loud due to the air passing through the vents. Similarly, the more gas flowing through the burner, the more sound you sill hear. The more gas burning, the higher the flame which also creates sound.
Hope this helps!
Any concerns about the paint roasting and emitting chemicals?
Over time, high heat paint will likely peel or flake off the walls and vent up the chimney. Same with the some of the paint on the logs themselves. The reality that just like the carbon monoxide emitted from the burning gas goes up the chimney, the same will hold true for any paint or chemical scents.
I've not seen that be an issue, but if you're concerned about that, painting your fireplace is 100% optional.
how are these logs vented ? Can they be vented with a special inner liner up the chimney?
When we say "vented", we mean that when the gas burns, there is a ton of heat and exhaust fumes that need to ventilate out of a chimney that can handle the amount of heat and exhaust fumes created by this log set. Hence the term "vented". If the chimney were too small or designed for "direct vent" or "b vent" or any other type of venting, the heat would be too intense and the fumes would be too great, that a house fire could start or the fumes could enter the home causing carbon monoxide poisoning. Obviously, we don't want that!
The easiest way to understand this, I've found, is to ask "can my fireplace burn wood?". If so, it can likely handle a "vented" gas log set, since wood produces even more heat and exhaust fumes than gas. If your fireplace is old and the brick is starting to crack, some companies can add chimney liners for you that will still work with a vented log set, but protect your chimney. The liner needs to be specific to vented though.
Hope this helps!
Video is great thanks, I have an old home that it looks like someone turned a wood burning fireplace into a single burner gas log but when I lit it, no heat came into the room, looks pretty but I couldn't stomach watching the gas just burn and go up the chimney without any heat returning into the home. My question is would I be better to switch it out to a vent-free log set? and if so do I still need the damper cracked open for some fumes to escape? I have read several different opinions so I'm not sure what my approach should be. Do you have a video on B-vent and Vent free?
Hi John, thanks for the comment! Older single gas burners can be pretty lame, especially if it's a Home Depot type burner. Wouldn't expect much out of it. Investing in a good quality log set can give you the heat you're looking for. A Real Fyre vented log set can certainly put out plenty of heat, but it will also use a lot of gas. Vented burners will require the chimney flue be open.
In contrast, you can use a "vent free" burner and completely close the chimney flue. 100% of the heat will come into the room. But keep in mind that vent free systems have a max BTU output of 40,000 BTU's. This means the flame will be smaller, but usually that's not such a big deal for people. You'll want to use a good brand for this, as cheaper brands can cause all sorts of issues. We suggest Real Fyre or Rasmussen for vent free.
Please send us some pictures of your fireplace and call our sales department so we can help guide you in the right direction. We just received our winter stock of gas logs, so there's lots to choose from...BUT THEY'RE GOING QUICK!! And special order lead times are 2-4 months MINIMUM. Hope to talk soon!
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Why 2-3 months?
How long it takes to build one of those sets?
What if I want a nice set of Fireplace Logs next week?
@@MrSeth166 We get it, the lead times are really rough right now. Our manufacturers are backlogged with orders for 2-4 months on average, especially in winter time when demand is highest. But give us a call and we can find you something sooner! We placed our early buy order last summer and are currently holding a decent amount of inventory available to ship right away. What we stock are the most common sellers, like what is shown in this video. It's the larger, less popular items that we currently have to special order with longer lead times.
Our number is 866-578-8538. I'm sure we can find you something for your fireplace by next week!
Why is my unit blowing out? I can get little blue flames but not the big yellow licking orange flames. What am I doing wrong?
Sorry to hear that! But honestly, that is a very vague question because there could be a million different reasons. To begin with, what burner system do you have? Propane or Natural Gas? Does it have a pilot system, if so, what kind? Has it been calibrated? What is your gas input? I can go on and on...
This video is specific to a vented log set. These wouldn't generally blow out since they are high BTU burner systems. It's possible your system is different from this, but without any details, it would be hard to diagnose, especially over a UA-cam forum.
You can type in your zip code here and find a fireplace certified technician to have come out and troubleshoot for you: www.nficertified.org/public/
Great informative video! I currently have a Rasmussen 4024 gas log kit and was wondering if I could add a blower/fan to help spread the heat to the room?
Thanks John! I'm not 100% certain, but traditionally, if the fireplace supports a blower option, then yes, you can. Not all fireplaces support this.
In my current wood burning fireplace, the gas line enters the firebox in the center, left to right and approximately 4" from the front of the box. I had noticed from the video that the burners are fed from the end. Will the gas line have to be relocated or is there a "work around" to adapt to the current gas line location?
Great question! It sounds to me like you have a "masonry" type fireplace, probably a bit older, maybe 60's or 70's? I've seen this before and it's probably best to add an elbow and pipe the gas over to the right side of the fireplace. This will help get the gas to the end of the burner where the gas enters. But you're still left with an ugly pipe right in the front of the burner...so for that, we would "raise" the floor by adding a sand or stone base, if possible, that lifts the burner as high as the elbow thus hiding the elbow coming out of the front middle.
Of course, without pictures or more information, I can't be 100% sure. Feel free to send us some pictures so we can advise further. There's a few tricks we like to use to solve these weird situations!
Very informative video. Great content. However, I wish UA-cam producers would tone down the volume of the music to match the rest of the content. Just constructive criticism. Thanks for posting.
SW, great suggestion! I'll pass along to our editor for the next one. Appreciate the feedback!!
Great video. Very helpful. I recently bought my home, which has a wood burning FP. I was told that I need a chimney cap and liner, which is very expensive. Would I need either of these if I get a gas log? I'd rather spend the money on a gas log than sinking lots of $ on a liner and cap if I don't need them. (I never plan to burn wood logs.) Also, are there benefits to having a vented unit over non-vented? Finally, I have gas in the home. (My kitchen stove is gas), but I would need to have a gas line run to the FP. Should I do that first before I even look for a gas log? Does it matter where the pipe comes in (back vs. side)? Thank you!
JC, congrats on the new place! All very good questions...The age, construction, can condition of the fireplace/chimney may determine how it is used today or tomorrow. Sometimes in masonry fireplaces, the mortar gets weak and it's not really safe to burn wood, as the chimney may no longer hold up to the heat. However, this is mostly common in really old fireplaces that have been used for decades regularly. Regardless if you plan to burn wood or gas, it is our recommendation that you have a full Level 2 or 3 inspection by a fireplace specialist to ensure that the fireplace and chimney are in useable condition.
Assuming so, running a gas line to the fireplace should be fine for any vented or unvented burner system (check local codes for unvented). In reality, the heat output on gas is far less than on wood burning, so the impact on your chimney should be minimal, if at all. Even more so on unvented. With unvented, you would close the flue and let 100% of the heat go into your room. In this scenario, I don't see how your chimney is affected at all.
In summary, I would 1) have the fireplace chimney cleaned and inspected by a professional, 2) choose the vented/unvented system that suits your needs best, 3) size and install a gas line accordingly, and 4) start enjoying your fireplace the way it was made to be!
Hope that helps! You can always give us a call at 866-578-8538 and we'd be happy to help however we can. We can even recommend fireplace inspection professionals in your area. Thanks!
@@StarfireDirect Thank you very much!
Hello, I've been calling all over the country and no one can help. Mom purchased a condo with a "Majco Building Specialties vented decorative gas appliance" (directly from sticker on unit). I believe the AKA is Majestic. The ceramic logs are missing. So it's very unattractive/unappealing. When lit, it's a very low mostly blue flame. In no way does this give off a fireplace ambiance.
The problem is that when I call around I am told this model G36DVpi is discontinued and therefore I can not get the proper logs (model LS36DV). And that they need to match specifically. So, what can be done? Can another log set be Installed? If so, can we do it or does a professional need to?
Where can we get logs that will work properly and safely? Thank you!
I'm sorry to hear about all of the dead ends, that can be frustrating. The "DV" at the end of your model number likely indicates "direct vent", which makes a lot of sense in a condo. Most condos use direct vent for safety reasons.
According to the CSA certification that came with your fireplace, it's only tested and certified with the exact logs it came with. Using different logs, even if there's no real threat, would cause the fireplace to lose its certification since it was never properly tested with those new logs. If you chose to put non-tested logs in the fireplace, and if there was a house fire, your insurance could invalidate your claim since the fireplace was not meant to use the logs that were added. I know, it's frustrating.
The legal answer is you need to find a set of those exact OEM logs and install them in the fireplace. If you can't find them, you could replace the entire fireplace with a new direct vent fireplace. That can be pricey.
Some people in your same situation have decided to put non-OEM logs in their DV fireplace regardless of the above mentioned warning. The key is that they should look for a "ceramic fiber" type of log, which is very lightweight. Try to find something that looks similar to what is in the owners manual. Make sure to stack them in a way that doesn't come in contact with the flame. In reality, that is the biggest concern. The logs are designed to stack in a way that has the flame in front of, behind, and in between the logs without the flame actually touching the logs.
Again, I know how frustrating this can be. Best to you!
Always good to have a valve for safety reasons
Absolutely agree!
How much propane do you to light the pilot
I don't have an exact measurement to provide, but the pilot uses very little gas. I'd imagine it's not more than 1-3 BTU's.
Hmmm. So you would just turn off the gas key valve when you're not using it, right? Is this type of fireplace a good idea for heating up a room if the power goes out?
Absolutely! The key valve controls the flow of gas to the burner much like a faucet. The more you turn it, the more gas you get. When you're done, just turn the gas off at the key valve and the gas will stop flowing to the burner extinguishing the flame.
I have a customer in Dallas Texas that just reached out to me that purchased this Real Fyre gas log set. Although they were without power, they could continue to operate the gas log set which kept their home warm and provided comfort during that difficult time.
So yes, you can use these gas log sets in an emergency or just for every day pleasure.
well done video, im a fireplace tech and I would recommend this to others, its very helpful when it comes to vented gas logs when your new and wanting to know more about vented gas logs. The choice in logs I would fully agree with him, as I would say Peterson Real Fyre logs are the best in the market top 3 at worst.
Thanks so much for the message! When a non-affiliated pro agrees, that speaks volumes. Appreciate it Aaron!
Do your gas log sets have soot? is there a log set that burns clean enough to have minimum soot? I have a gas assisted wood burning fireplace that i want to convert to gas to try and cut down on soot that builds up. thank you
All vented logs will produce soot. Soot is a byproduct of carbon in the flame. Anything the flame touches will get soot marks. The only way around that is to get a vent free set where the flame doesn't touch the logs and burns cleaner.
I have an old gas log set that is vented in our master bedroom. It has a pilot, as well as a light switch to turn on and off. We want to replace it with a simple control, ( preferably pilot lit), or even remote control. Can you advise what is the best and safest natural gas set that we can purchase to replace this old one?
In this case I definitely prefer aesthetics over making my fireplace a heat source so I am interested in a vented log set. I live in an older home in Rochester, NY where my damper is permanently open. However, in addition to pretty tight glass doors I have a spring loaded cover at the top of my chimney with a cable that comes down the chimney to open and close it. Is this a problem? I've also had both birds and bats come down the chimney when I forget to close it note: in 17 years I have never forgotten to open it and I burn a lot of wood!). How is this situation handled? My fp dimensions are: 34" (front) 26" (back) 22" (deep). Will a 24" set WITH REMOTE fit? Finally, is there a local dealer here in Rochester? Thanks!!!
A vented log set flame like what's shown in this video can be adjusted with your valve, which means you don't have to have a crazy flame 100% of the time. You can dial it back to 25-50% if you prefer, which gives you ambiance with less heat output. Of course, you would still need to keep your flue open when operating any vented burner system. In contrast, you many choose a "vent free" burner which allows you to close your flue and operate the fire without opening the flue. 100% of the heat will go into the home. You can still adjust the flame height which will give you ambiance without using a ton of gas, if you prefer a lower flame.
We offer many vented and vent free options on our website. Our NFI Certified sales team is available at 866-578-8538 to assist you. Feel free to send us pictures of your fireplace and we can help you figure out the size, style, and quality you're looking for. We are based out of Temecula California, but have successfully helped hundreds of thousands of customers with their fireplace needs over our 15 years. Happy to do the same for you, even though we aren't local to you!
Almost 2 years later!
I ended up buying the G45 with the safety pilot with remote and couldn't be happier. Should have done it years ago. I should also add that when operating, the G45 (although "vented"), heats my entire downstairs (approx. 1,000 sq. ft) to 73 degrees (in Rochester, NY) keeping my furnace off well after I go to bed. It's a bit pricey, but when you factor in the cost of having a wood fire each day all winter long (firewood purchase, stacking, moving wood for each use, constant cleanup, seasonal chimney sweep, etc.) there is no comparison. Happy customer here for sure!
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What is BTU input recommend for two burner no pilot light or gas control valve?
Ooh, that's a tough one. There's a ton of variables that come into play with this. But most people using Natural Gas in a vented fireplace will have a 1/2" gas line that's good for upwards of 150k BTUs. The Real Fyre G45 burners used in this video are rated at 90k BTUs. Typically, this is plenty of flame for most people. Hope this answers your question, thanks!
Do you have any tips on how to correctly place the logs on the burner? Should they have direct contact with the flame so as to generate more heat or will that shorten the life of the logs?
The best thing you can do is follow the instructions for your particular log set. It will instruct you on the ideal placement of logs. However, if you're installing a vented G45 Real Fyre burner with logs as shown in this video, you have 2 main options:
1. Front log over the main burner flame - this will ensure maximum heat since the log will be directly on the flame. The down side is that the logs will get sooty quickly hiding the paint detail and they will deteriorate faster. But keep in mind that Real Fyre logs come with a lifetime warranty, so if this were to happen, they would replace the logs.
2. Front log forward and rear log back, with main burner flame in center of these - you will get a little less heat with this configuration. But the logs won't get sooty as bad, the paint will look better, and the logs will last longer.
Hope this helps!
Great video! Very informative.
I have a completely outdoor covered and screened porch built onto the back of my house. We included a 6’ wide wall for a gas log fireplace, rustic mantle and above that entertainment. The firm that our contractor used for the burner and logs insisted that they had to be for a ventless fireplace since there is no chimney. Once they were installed, we were extremely disappointed by the unimpressive flame, and lack of radiant heat produced. My question: would it be possible and safe to install a “vented” burner and logs since the fireplace is completely open to outside? Thanks in advance.
Hi Ken, thanks! I feel your pain...unfortunately, the most heat you'll EVER get out of a "vent free" burner is 40k BTU's. That's the legal limit for vent free. The pros are that you can use them in a ventless fire box, but there are heat limitations. The flame is just okay. If you had a vented fire box, you could go with a vented logset.
As much as I would love to say you could add a vented burner to your ventless fire box, I would strongly advise against it. All of the fumes will roll out the top face of the fireplace leaving soot marks all along the top. It may also get too hot and cause damage to the fireplace.
Bottom line, vent free burners in ventless fireplaces are fine. But vented burners should always be installed in vented fireplaces. For more information, you can read the owners manual for the burner system you like and it will give you clearances and requirements for the fire box, fuel demand, and other helpful details.
@@StarfireDirect Thanks for the response... I will look into the ventless burner/logs that Peterson offers. We are very pleased with the set we have indoors, where the fireplace was long ago converted from wood burning to gas. I wonder if there is any "trade up" option for our existing unimpressive burner/log combo? Superior burner/logs "Giant Timbers"...
@@kenm7697 When it comes to "vent free", the highest output will be 40k BTU's. So the "trick" is to look for how that heat is distributed. For instance, 40k spread across a long line will have a low flame, whereas 40k concentrated to a small area will have a taller flame. If you can find a vent free burner with good flame placement, it will appear to give a nicer larger flame. Perhaps this will help you in your outdoor burner search.
For indoors, if your fireplace was wood burning but is now gas, you have a vented fireplace. Which means MORE OPTIONS. You can get a fully vented log set that will give off much more heat and larger flame. Give us a call and we'd be happy to offer some suggestions.
Let's talk BTU what is standard or average outputs in US half inch feed?
I don't have that specific answer, since it will range in many places. But you should be able to get around 125-150k BTU's out of a common 1/2" Natural Gas line fed to a fully vented fireplace. Hope this helps!
OKAY, THIS WAS A VERY INFORMATIVE DO IT YOURSELF VIDEO, MY QUESTION NOW IS THIS, WITH THE APK-17 R.C.S.P. I.S. WILL THIS LILFELLA TURN ON MY PILOT AS WELL, OR IS THE PILOT STILL GOING TO BE A CONTINUOUS ON ???? PLEASE ADVISE.
Thanks for the message Xavier! No, the APK17 pilot must be manually lit initially. Once lit, the pilot stays lit until you decide to shut it down.
Welp I know where I’m going to buy logs and a new burner
Thanks! We'd love to work with you! Give us a call at 866-578-8538 and we'd be happy to assist.
I am a propane gas user so I will need that type of set. I notice you said made in the USA when referring to the manufacture of the logs. Are the burner and control components also made in the USA?
Yes, Real Fyre burners and logs are all made in the USA. The valves and remote systems are assembled in the USA too, but some of the components are made in other countries.
Would this option warm up a big room or is it just for looks?
Absolutely! We've sold and installed many of these over the last 15 years and all customers LOVE the heat these radiate!
I have a set of Glo-fire 24 inch Ceramic logs that we had installed in a fireplace using natural gas. We have moved them to our new home which has lp gas. Can we use the Glo-fire logs if we install an lp burner system? If so which lp burner system would you recommend?
Wow, that's a brand I haven't heard of for a while! Got my personal career started with Glo-fire! They were the only true ceramic log on the market at the time, not sure if that's still the case as we're no longer a dealer. Anyhow, the answer is YES. So long as your fireplace is a vented fireplace for wood/gas decorative appliances, you should be fine using your Glo-fire logs! You can purchase a Real Fyre 24" G45 with appropriate LP safety pilot or remote system of your choice. We have these in stock and they will come with everything you need to install, just add logs!
@@StarfireDirect Looks like we need to move forward with the Real Fyre 24" G45 with appropriate LP safety pilot and remote system. How do we make that process happen?
@@michaelwyatt5911 Thanks for the opportunity! Just give us a call at 866-578-8538 and ask for Steven, Mari, or Sasha. All 3 are able to verify inventory and get you what you need. Thanks again Michael!
So with these fireplaces you have to leave the gas on during the entire use?
Yes, most gas fireplaces should have a Key Valve in the wall or floor near the fireplace. This needs to be in the OFF position when installing you gas log set, but ON when operating it. The Key Valve allows you to control the flow of gas to the burner system which changes the flame height, similar to the volume on your TV. If the Key Valve is turned off, it will not allow gas to the burner system.
How much CO2 to worry about with the gas log?
That's a tough question to answer...the higher the flame, the more the CO2. The lower the flame, the lower the CO2. Bottom line is that these logs are fully "vented" and will indeed produce carbon monoxide. As you know, carbon monoxide is a tasteless, odorless, and colorless gas that can kill, so it's always better to be safe than sorry. Please keep your vent OPEN while using a vented burner system.
This may sound like a stupid question, but when you run the gas logs do you have to open the vent if you are trying to keep the room warmer? How often should you replace the stuff on the bottom for the embers to look realistic? Of course my way of thinking is like the old gas heaters that set in a room and didn't vent outside. This is why I ask this.
With a vented log set, you always need to keep the vent open. Remember that the byproduct of burning this amount of gas is carbon monoxide which is called the "silent killer". If the vent is closed, these fumes will have nowhere else to go except into the home. If someone were taking a nap and didn't realize that the flue was closed, it could prove to be fatal. Please keep your flue open when using a vented gas log set.
There are gas log sets out there called "vent free" that burn gas in a much more engineered and efficient manner. They ALWAYS max out at 40k BTUs, meaning you can't get one that gives off more heat than 40k BTUs. Although, many are available that do much less, but the max is 40k. These types of logsets are also equipped with an "ODS" sensor, or Oxygen Depletion Sensor that detects trace amounts of carbon monoxide. If the levels get too high, it shuts the unit down. These are not legal in all states, so check your local codes. Most states are fine, California is one of the few that do not allow these types of burner systems, although, you can use vent free burners in California if the vent is open.
Regarding the glowing embers, these will need to be replaced in time, depending on how often you use the gas log set. You can typically get anywhere between 1-3 years out of them.
I don’t have a fuel or gas line! So is there no options available? What about installing an electric type of fireplace and how much will that cost?
Well, that does limit things. First, we would need to better understand what kind of fireplace you have. If it's vent free, wood burning, or something else. If there's no gas line, it's likely either wood burning or vent free pending gas line install. The choices you have at the top of my head would be to a) add a gas line and run vented or vent free burner, depending on the fireplace, b) add an ethanol burner and burn real ethanol, c) try to fit an electric fireplace inside, or d) rip the fireplace out and add a whole new fireplace that has the features you're looking for.
Depending on what you choose, I would expect the cost to be anywhere from $400 to over $10k. Again, it really just depends what you decide. Sort of like buying anything, you can get something real inexpensive or you can spend as much as you want!
Give our sales department a call, shoot us over some pictures, and we'll try to assist with more options at 866-578-8538. Once we SEE what you actually have, we can offer better choices. Thanks!
@@StarfireDirect I live in a 200 year old gingerbread house! No it’s not edible but the chimney and the fireplace are not in alignment! See the flue is connected to the furnace that’s just the way it was built however I don’t know if the flue is also connected to the fireplace🤷🏻♀️so whenever the furnace is running, white smoke billows from the chimney which is kinda cool looking from the street but it’s not coming from the fireplace! So I put my phone inside the fireplace to see if there was an opening, there is a bit of an opening but I didn’t see daylight nor a latch but it’s like there’s an opening partial opening at the top of the inside of the fireplace if that makes any sense at all! No I have no intentions of tearing it out because I love all things vintage and full of charm! I’m not trying to modernize my gingerbread house I’m just trying to see if I can “restore” the fireplace to its former wood burning glory🙂
@@fionaokeefe1906 Thanks for the quick reply! Totally get it, and glad to better understand your situation.
In my professional opinion, it sounds like you do indeed have a wood burning fireplace. Obviously vent free and gas options weren't really available 200 years ago, and wood was the clear choice for heating a home. So I'm willing to bet your fireplace is wood burning based on that. The fact that your furnace vents into the chimney tells me that the furnace was likely added sometime AFTER the fireplace was built and the contractor thought it easier to vent into the chimney than create a dedicated vent. Big no-no these days!!
What would I do if I lived in your house? I would hire a professional licensed fireplace technician (visit www.NFIcertified.org) to do a full on Level 3 inspection. They should be able to tell you if the chimney is sound for a wood fire. Over time, the mortar degrades which means it's not always safe to have a hot fire, it could emit smoke into the home, the chimney could collapse, or worse, the house could burn down. I know it sounds extreme, but when it comes to fire, better SAFE than SORRY. Even if the tech advises that the fireplace is fine for wood burning, he may advise you to redirect your furnace ventilation in a dedicated way, so as to be code compliant. He might also say you're totally fine to proceed with wood fires as is and I could be totally wrong!!
In any case, I hope this was helpful. All this talk about gingerbread houses makes me hungry 😄
@@StarfireDirect thanks for your reply🙂I will definitely contact a pro and have them come out and inspect it but I’m a little worried about the furnace now because I don’t want my chimney to collapse because of the furnace flue so now I’m kinda worried about that! It’s a gas furnace so maybe I should just get an electric insert because that’s a lot of money to have the whole flue reworked but again I will have it looked at before I moved in it was inspected however I don’t think the inspector knew much about how a gingerbread house is configured you know not everyone can properly build a sturdy gingerbread house😏so again thanks for the advice!
@@fionaokeefe1906 Definitely start with the inspection. I might be making a mountain out of a mole hill, but when it comes to safety, we always assume the worst and err on the side of caution. I'm sure that the fireplace tech will be able to advise on both the fireplace and furnace, since they are both similar in nature. Good luck!
We are thinking about installing a gas log burner in our wood burning fireplace. The fireplace has glass doors. Would those doors need to be open when operating the gas logs, or would the current ventilation around the doors be sufficient?
No, doors ALWAYS should remain open on vented fireplace when in use. Your fire is pulling air in from the room. When you shut the doors, it has to draw the air through the cracks which starves the flame, causes erratic flame behavior, and causes excess heat. We've seen it a thousand times where the glass overheats and explodes. Definitely keep your glass doors open when operating a vented gas log set.
@@StarfireDirect Thanks for your quick reply. I have been a little nervous about converting our fireplace, and you put all my fears to rest. Absolutely the BEST and most informative video I've found on choosing the right system for us.
@@sa6448 Good call on leaving doors open, I promise you'll be better off. You can always close them half way, but I just prefer them wide open to avoid any issues. Thanks for your feedback on our video, hope it all goes well!!
Great informative video, but very overpriced products on the website.
Walmart and amazon has very similar products for less than half price
Thanks Diego, we try our best to educate. For instance, the Real Fyre log sets are hand painted, come with a lifetime warranty, are made in California USA, and have a wide range of options regarding ANSI certified ignition systems required for professional installations. In our experience, less expensive log sets are made overseas, have smaller flames, less realistic logs, and far less remote options, if any at all. If your goal is to spend less, you can certainly do that. We choose to not offer these less expensive options you mentioned mainly because we don't want to deal with the problems these usually come with these. Again, our goal is to educate, not convince you to spend more money than you need to. Quality items typically cost a more for a reason, so if your goal is to have a log set that lasts a lifetime that looks real and generates more heat, we recommend Real Fyre.
I have a vented gas log fire place, Did well for 5 years and now it produces soot where I can no longer use it, The entire glass gets covered with soot. What causes this soot. I may need to replace the burners. This fireplace is a heatnGlow and is 20 years old. I need to fix this real soon as it produces the heat for the living room and bed room. hope someone can help here.
Do you have a model number for your HeatnGlow fireplace? What about for your gas log set? If you weren't getting soot originally, but started getting it within the last few years, I'd say you have a air flow or oxygen issue. Soot is a byproduct of burned fuel and fire, and you get more of it when the fire isn't burning properly. I would double check your chimney and ventilation to make sure there's nothing blocking the air flow. Also, I'm not sure if you're using your using your vented gas log set with the doors shut, but you shouldn't. Glass doors should remain open when using it. That could be your soot problem. If your doors don't actually open, then you may not have a vented fireplace, rather, a B Vent or Direct Vent.
@@StarfireDirect I wondering if soot plugged up the air flow as we had a crack in the glass and it got to much oxygen from the crack and the mix was off, I will get you a model number but I believe they dont make that model anymore.
@@quantumfx2677 You're probably right that the fireplace is discontinued. But chances are you can still get parts for it. If it's 20 years old, it just may need a good old fashion cleaning? I'd locate the owners manual and see if you can get more info.
Does the height matter when buying? Most log sets are above 15” and chimney at the front height is 15”.
GREAT question! Typically, height isn't a huge factor since most gas logs are close in height to each other, and most fireplaces have a typical clearance. However, with that being said, each gas log owners manual will have a minimum clearances section that calls out length, width, depth, and height. When considering any fireplace item, please reference this data as it will be specific to the item you're considering, and you want to ensure it will indeed fit.
For the Real Fyre G45 burner system, the minimum height is 17" across all burner sizes.
What a great video! If I were to get this, would I still have the option to burn wood in it from time to time for example, if I cleaned out the fake embers and removed the fake logs? I’m thinking if I got option 2, with the hand-turned pilot pilot.
Can the system I want be used to turn on the wood?
Glad you like the video!! We get asked this question a lot, but the simple answer is "no". If you think about how wood burns, it leaves ash and coals in the fireplace. It would destroy the gas burner and connections, plus it would leave quite a mess that would be very difficult to clean up. It's pretty much one or the other. If you choose gas logs, that's what it is. If you choose burning wood, that's what it is.
HOWEVER, there is another item we sell that's called a "log lighter". It's basically a cast iron gas burner that sits under the wood grate. It's heavy duty so it doesn't get destroyed by the coals and logs. You use it when initially lighting the wood. Once the wood catches, you can turn off the gas. This is much easier than using paper or other log starters.
Hope this helps!
What if my gas logs won’t turn off?
Sounds like you need a service call from a local gas log installer. I suggest you start your search for a qualified installer here: www.nficertified.org/public/
DO vented gas logs need to be vented directly straight up through the roof?
Or, can a 45 degree angle be placed in the venting pipe to allow the fireplace to be relocated on the same wall?
Currently it's off center on this wall and I want to center it...however, I'm just making sure this will not negatively affect the air flow.
Generally, a vented fireplace has a chimney that goes up past the roof line. Some are straight, some have 45 degree bends. As far as relocating your existing fireplace, we would highly recommend speaking with a local fireplace professional. Our video is simply outlining the different requirements for a vented gas log set. Fireplace ventilation is a whole other topic that is much more specific.
Wonderful video. I am looking to purchase a propane realfrye 60 inch vented log set for a huge walk in fireplace in my house. I have read that it puts out 65,000 BTU's of heat, which would roast us out. How can I control the flame size to cut down the heat?
Thanks for liking the video! There are only 3 x vented log sets that are 60"; The Golden Oak Designer Plus, Charred Majestic Oak, and Mammoth Pine. All log styles are compatible with a few different burners, but mainly the G45 and Epic Burner. Regardless of which log style and burner you choose, since you're on propane, you would DEFINETLY need to have a safety pilot at the very least. The SPK-26 safety pilot for propane set to a 60" burner is more like 200,000 BTU's, not 65,000 BTU's, which is a TON of heat. However, for a large log set like this, it makes sense. But if you're main concern is to control the flame, this won't be a problem since the safety pilot has a valve that you can modulate the flame size. You don't have to keep it maxed out, in fact, you can even keep it on a super low setting that puts off closer to 20k BTU's. It's 100% your choice!
Make sure to call us at 866-578-8538 to review your choices and confirm the type of controls you want. There's even remote control options! And finally, since you're on propane, we strongly encourage you to speak with us first to make sure everything is correct. Propane can be very dangerous if not planned for and installed properly. Talk soon!
@@StarfireDirect Thanks so much! You guys are the best. Will be in touch.
What kind of flex line did you use?
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@@StarfireDirect my real fyre comes with a 3/8 line but I have a 1/2 in my fireplace. I need more volume to get flames up higher
@@billyjack2010 most RF burners have a 1/2" inlet. If your set came with a 3/8 flex, no doubt the connector is 3/8 to 1/2. You would simply need to get new adapters and a 1/2" flex line. Also, this is assuming your burner is vented and/or rated for more flame. It's possible the set came with the 3/8 connection kit because the factory doesn't want you to burn more gas. Changing out the factory parts for something bigger could lead to damage to your logset or fireplace. Without knowing for sure your specific model, it's impossible to know for sure.
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If only wood would crackle :(
There certainly is no replacement for real wood...and the crackle is super calming indeed! However, it's nice not having the ash to clean up, soot, smoke smell, and time savings of starting the fire, bring in the fire wood, etc. So there are definitely pros and cons to consider.
One quick thought...there are sound machines or "noise makers" that do fire wood crackling fire sounds. I've known many customers that had these little speakers near the fireplace and turn it on for ambiance. Many would never even know!! Again, just a thought 🙂🔥
Get rid of the loud, crappy music and you'll get a thumbs up more than thumbs down.
Thanks for the feedback. Gave your Holmes Mill Waterfall video a thumbs up. Cheers!
I have an old gas log set that is vented in our master bedroom. It has a pilot, as well as a light switch to turn on and off. We want to replace it with a simple control, ( preferably pilot lit), or even remote control. Can you advise what is the best and safest natural gas set that we can purchase to replace this old one?
I personally am a fan of the G45 with APK17 Remote as shown here: ua-cam.com/video/bWi3MbE93TU/v-deo.html
Once you have the burner figured out, you can choose whichever logs you prefer.
Links are in the description, hope this helps!