Is THIS really the BEST VALUE wheel on the market? | Cube Controls F-Core Wheel Review
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Cube Controls priced their entry-level into the highend market - the F-Core - very competitively at 469€ for the base version - in this review we are checking where they cut the cost and if it has a big impact on the wheels performance!
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0:00 Intro & Disclaimer
0:17 Price and First Impression
1:38 Specs & Build Quality
2:36 Closer Look: Shifters
4:29 Closer Look: Clutches
6:08 Magnetic Cable & Bluetooth
7:22 Closer Look: Front & Inputs
10:42 Ergonomics & Grips
12:10 Software
13:26 Cube Controls, WHY?
15:43 Electronics
16:29 On Track & Verdict
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Let's stop for a moment and appreciate that Cube actually listens to customer feedback.
Bingo
Not really you must be a new customer
Amazing review! Thank you for answering all my questions regarding the wheel. Looking forward to more!
Great review Dan. I'm quite tempted
Nice review mate
Hi Dan. Short answer, No. It's cheap for a cube controls wheel. Maybe if it came with clutch paddles and 70mm spacer out of the box, then yes.
Just received mine. I can honestly say they have addressed all the issues with the F-PRO which I returned on day 1.
Which problems did you have?
@@SpartanA31xxwrist pain. it wasn't ergonomically good for me
I agree with Dan about the grips, this has the best grip of all the Cube wheels ever done. F-pro and Csx3 such dissappointing experience for me. But this wheel represents real Mercedes GT car wheel at entry price point. Great ergonomics. But I'm really not fan of any of the shifter & clutch of Cube wheels because I think they have much bigger problem than the software itself, hall effect sensors on everything is not great. Everytime I wanted to race, I had to recalibrate my shifters or dual clutch is dissappointing and tiring thing to do.
Great video Dan! That intro made me video is from Will Ford actually 😅
The sneaky Quirk was amazing. 😂
For this price even rpm lights will be great
I wanna see this compared to the upcoming GSI X-29, as entry level high end gt wheels
GSI X29 will be twice as expensive
@@suricate_racing X-29 will be (2 pedals) would be €599,95, whereas the F-core is €517,60 with hub, both prices are without QR, without taxes and without shipping as per the respective websites, that price difference is not double...
Edit: Clutch paddles (CC is like €120 extra and GSI is like €170) and carbon paddles as an extra do make the X29 a ton more expensive, so you are right about that
Another excellent video Dan... I'd like to make one suggestion though... please add some treble to your sound mix, you sound like you're in a box or something.
Starting price plus clutch and leds might have got me. Kind of shocked about the encoders and software. Good looking wheel
What is shocking about the software?
I'm using a Fanatec DD2 base and like the convenience of Fanalab software, but have no idea which 3rd party wheels have similar software
Excellent Wheel Review. Where's The X-29 And The Simgrade VX-Pro Reviews?
in your opinion still better the old formula pro or this one is better overral?
How would you compare it to the SimRacingBay GT3 wheel (if you've tried it)?
Hey Dan, thanks for the great review, love the recent focus on affordable gear (plus the active pedals^^)
When you say you would like a more high end wheel from Cube Controls, does that mean you already tried the F-Pro and don't like it? Because of the different grips, or is there more to it?
Yeah, not a fan of the F-pro grips - also I don’t really like the looks 😅
@@DanSuzuki I really like the Cube Control looks, X-29 is the only wheel more beautiful to me. Unfortunately, like you, I like the thumb encoders a lot. So let's hope these GSI guys bring a version with them before I actually have to buy something :D Thanks for the reply!
@@DanSuzukiDan, has cc fixed the clutch software. I like the wheel, I really don’t use dual clutches but I was wanting to run the Porsche cup
Thanks for this review, I'm looking at wheels now and I think i'd go with the F-pro instead of this. Also, will you make another review of the VX Pro pedals?
I will go with this rim as 28 cm is too small and 29 will be perfect and grips is what i look most out of this wheel, comfort for me is No1 ;) and i tried quite a lot wheels including srb v2, omp alu310, and others hogh end wheels
What wheelbase are you using ?
This wheel is to sexy and the grips feel perfect in ergonomics lol also you now can buy all 4 paddles without the hub. I work wirh cf often things like fat carbon etc. The one thing I love about cube is they use very very high qaulity cf. Many places say real cf cough cough moza but it isnt. Even there fsr isnt real cf. But cube controls has the best cf ive felt and you wont believe this but simagic uses the second best cf ive felt or seen on a wheel. Like the fx pro and the fx true real high qaulity cf. You really need to look at the cf almost a 3d look to real cf. The lines shouldnt be absolutely perfect like someone drew them on. The design and sticthced cf or layering should not be straight up or down. Or strsight left to right. Good cf you can almost look at it and see glass not like see theough but almost like you see a layer giving a slight sheen. Also where the cut is at like the cutout across top and bottom should be slightly lighter due to how cf is when you grind or cut it. You can see the layers and those have a certain look also.
I know you said you dont like the colorful buttons but me I love them, like you said all preference. I will say I dont know why cube controls has lag even directly plugged in when simagic fx pro or fx has like none even when wireless. Or its at least not noticeable
Hi Dan, Great video. Really in depth look at this wheel and made some talking points which not many others have offered so far. I had a question about the electronics section of the video. I have a spare Podium hub and Podium paddle module, if I was to purchase this wheel with just the shifters, could I remove them and mount the Podium hub straight to the back shell? This would have to be done via opening the wheel first and attaching the hub internally with low profile screws. I've done this once before with a Simagic GT4 USB. Is it easy to get that back piece off and access the rear electronics of the wheel? I don't really want to deal with the little extra length the adapter would have and the Podium Hubs can mount using 50mm PCD. Thanks for the great content!
@Samcar304: I just ordered this wheel, and would be interested, if you ended up mounting it directly to the podium hub without the adapter. The additional length bothers me too, as I will have to adjust my rig, but then my other Fanatec-Wheels will be too far away from me. How do you guys deal with that?!?
By the way: you can order this wheel now with upgraded shifters from the F-Pro!
@@BasefieldPaintballhey, have you mounted the podium hub directly at the end? :)
@@TheJuliusFord Nope, I ended up buying a Simucube 2 pro wheelbase and selling all my Fanatec stuff beacause of this issue with the podium hub. Not the cheapest option, but very effective 😉This solved the issue with the play in the Quick release 1 of Fanatec too, so no additional costs when / if QR2 is released.
A lot of these formula wheels are too small for GT. Is there a 300mm wheel that is compatible with Fanatec that has all similar functions to this wheel, the Formula v2, etc?
It's funny watching this, because I was looking at the product photos and thinking "I would probably flip the shifter paddles upside down"
Its cool i like the Moza GS V2 for similar amount of money i can get the FSR for $526 open box at my microcenter its my be all end all wheel liads of carbon on both of the and the fsr has a screen
Just cracks me up that my monthly rent barely can buy one part of a sim racing set up
I really wanted to add this to my cube controls gt wheel but the shifters on this would forever bug me. I don’t want or care about Bluetooth but for the love of god why cheap out on the shifter material which would cost fractions to do properly
Dan, you use 55" c1 oled or 32" monitors? If monitors which model it is ? Thanks.
I went from 55” to 32” some months ago - they are MSI Optix IPS screens
@@DanSuzuki one more question, i should go with flat 32"
Or curved 1800R does curved makes more immersion or not? I will use asus bezel free kit
I Know it isn't directly related to this beautiful wheel, but what microphone do you use Dan?!
It's a Logitech Blue Sona :) Still finetuning the settings to dial out the heavy bass a bit better but I really like the mic 😅
@@DanSuzuki Thanks for letting me know! Not available in Australia sadly, wanted to up my sound game! Thanks, and keep up the wicked reviews :D
Shure SM7B is very similar in sound and a classic that should be available everywhere :)
Dan, do you not find the simagic gt neo to be a better wheel for the money? I have the gt neo and the issues and down points you make here are not an issue to me on the neo. What are your thoughts?
Just got one and had to send it back to Cube because of an internal electrical problem. It would not connect to my pc and it took hours to charge and would not turn on after it was fully charged.
Just got this from microcenter bundled with a Simucube 2 Sport for $999
I had the F-Pro and I hate the grips. These grips would have been great.
No clutch - handbrake mode ?
Maybe Asetek is kinda in that price range for their wheel, how do you think it compares?
I wouldn't really put the Asetek wheel in the same "category" - it feels more like a toy, still - the Forte wheel also is pretty nice, very feature packed for the price!
I wanted to get this wheel but it's 650 Euros here and I got a Moza fsr + universal hub for 450 new so I basically didn't have a choice.
The Asetek Wheel is on this Level
Imo it feels way more like a toy. But also a great feature packed wheel, just not at the same level of quality in terms of "haptics".
Dan you say aluminum correctly 😊
i've been wondering for a while now since i'm saving up for a fanatec dd2 and formula wheel, why would you want to jump into the high end wheel market? is there so much more feel or niceness when comparing a 1500 dollar wheel to a non high end fanatec wheel? i haven't been able to experience DD wheels, or the difference between mid range wheels and high end wheels but from the reviews i find it hard to justify the 3x price over the fanatec formula wheel, it also has thumb encoders, regular front mounted encoders, mag shifters and a plethora of buttons. the only upgrade i see from there is a screen on the wheel, but thats completely useless to me as i race in vr only... not hating here btw, just genuinly curious as to why someone would spend 1500 on a wheel thats maybe slightly better feeling than a 400 dollar wheel. feel free to convince me otherwise
hold a fanatec wheel in your hands, then you know why these are more expensive :) does one really need a high end wheel to have fun? absolutely not!
also dont buy a dd2 unless you need console compatibility, basically any (vrs dfp, simucube 2, asetek, simagic) higher end direct drive is better
@@DanSuzuki well i'm still not 100% on the dd2, tho it is a bit more expensive to get a dfp or su2, because i'd also need hubs and wheels. i drive mostly gt3's but also enjoy a bit of drifting and just cruising with a streetcar-style wheel. adding a couple 100 to the overall price. combined with the fact that any current or future fanatec wheel will work with a dd1/2. the fanatec ecosystem speaks to me simply because of compatibility and expansion, is there really such a big gap between the podium wheelbases and other high end DD bases? is it worth it to save up 2-3 more months?
yeah, in my opinion, absolutely worth it! if you like gt3s don't get a 27cm steering wheel btw ... it just feels wrong 😅 even though that is subjective of course! but i absolutely would not buy a dd2 these days.
@@DanSuzuki any brands that offer sub 500 dollar aftermarket wheels then? all i find is 750 or more for a single wheel. i'd be interested in a simucube or an asetek but if it's gonna take 1000 on top just to get the necessary adapters, hubs and 2 wheels then it's getting quite pricey
Check this for example: balkn.shop/products/rev3
I would put the Fanatec formula 2.5x with it although the build quality pn the cube is superior so and the material as well so not really a comparation
The old cable was very bad. Mine broke twice, I repaired it myself and cube Controls sent a new one. I just wished this one was a 300mm. Maybe it makes no difference from 290
I have the F-Pro, and can confirm, [subjectively] the grips are the best of any wheel I've tried.
Have you tried ascher f64 v3 ? I guess not
@@suricate_racing Interesting you mention that, as they actually were my first choice (big fan of the guys/gals over there), but the wireless was an issue for me. I’ve read over and over that the Asher grips are actually more narrow/smaller and it was a issue for some. Subjectively of course. You know, small hands, small gloves, right?
Now they just need to add a 10nm base for 700-900€ and pedals for 4-500€ and then we mortal people can also buy simucube bundles.
just buy a mzoza r9 or simagic alpha mini + heusinkveld sprints or vrs pedals and ur good...
Hi Dan, you meationed 'look to Joy' I googled that but didn't find much, can you help?
Simagic GT4 comes to mind when comparing similar wheels at this price.
I’ve thought about the gt4, but I’m leaning toward the cube controls f-core or GSI X29 wheel so that I’m not tied to a specific platform.
@@Bolaji927 I’m pretty sure the Simagic stuff works on other bases as well (given you have the right hub/QR). You just need to plug in via USB.
@@yannistefanidis7593 u can only use with simagic base, gt4 is outdated already
@@chiefzski nothing you said is correct.
How is it compared to Moza GS wheel?
Don't have that one, sorry :-/
at least the GS have the better Rotary knobs and paddles for normal hands. but locked to the moza ecosystem...but a good wheel for 500€
I have both now. I have GS wheel even with extra pineapple grips like genuine leather and chunky version. No comparision grip wise. GS wheel grips are put around some 3d printed plastic material making it feel cheap in the hands. Everything else looks quality though but feels like a toy now compared to this. The F-core grips are personally the best I have felt with any wheel.
i hope to see a moza r9 review 😍
I love the fact that an 'entry level' wheel is about 500 euro's.
does that mean my CSX is budget high end?
How is this better value than the FX wheel from Simagic? Are we talking about brand-neutral wheels?
I am pretty sure the Simagic wheel/rims use infrared switches, they should last forever.
I suspect he didn't talk about simagic or moza because they are fully or mostly ecosystem locked. If someone is buying a wheel for a SC2-Sport, VRS or Asetek Laprima base simagic doesn't have anything to offer anymore as none of their wheels are usb compatible anymore.
@@nathanwray6308 the old gt4 wheel is USB cable compatible
559 with taxes …
Having seen this on the Expo already, I wondered how the quality is. I still think neither Cube nor GSI can hold a candle to Aschers build quality, yes the F28 might be 150€ more expensive but its made at least exactly that worth better.
what do you think Ascher is doing better? I have a F64 v2 here ... very nice wheel, but definitely not better quality than those competitors.
I have Ascher F64 v3 and GSI GSL PRO. Each has pro's and con's. GSI'S GXL grips are way to big. No thumb encoders is a downer as well. Overall weigh of the wheel is a little high. Gsi's soft touch buttons feel very nice.
Ascher has thumb encoders. but is narrow at approx 285mm.. I feel ~300mm feels best for me for jumping from tin top to open wheel cars. Aschers buttons have a more tactile touch.
X29 on pre order very interested to see how it compares to the other two
It still blows my mind that Fanatec has not entered this category of mid tier peripherals. Sorry guys but the plastic V2.5 is not mid tier by industry standards anymore. I am happy to see more of these entries into this price point. Let's hope we continue to see more of this build quality and mid price point
Given that fanatec hasnt' dropped the QR2 yet, dunno whats going on with them.
@@Mr_jz_12 I believe they are donzo
Well...I'm getting the Moza KS for $280...
Doesn’t compare to this one at all, but for the money it’s also an awesome wheel!
the answer is no, you can literally have any simagic wheel except the fx pro for under 469 euro. and simagic is amazing so ya...........
aren't they proprietary wheels by now? unfortauntely I've never had a simagic wheel in my hands
@@DanSuzuki hmm i thought that you could use them usb, maybe i'm wrong , but either way, even if they are it's one of the cheapest high end ecosystems to get into and the pedals are amazing, best throttle on the market imho.
The Fanatec McLaren GT3 exists, and costs half of this one. It's the one I use the most despite owning 3 other, more expensive wheels on my DD1.
So no. Even with the metal QR, it's 300€ with VAT, this wheel with VAT is around 570€, which is A LOT for an "entry level" wheel.
The McLaren wheel is absolutely nowhere near the quality of this wheel though. Still, for the price it’s really good!
@@DanSuzuki You're talking about VALUE in your video, not quality. The McLaren has all the features this one has, maybe it isn't so well built, but as fpr VALUE simply there is no contest.
There are many wheels on the 500-600€ range with MORE features than this one.
@@valrond For me value also always includes the quality :)
@@valrond Value and quality go hand in hand
@@robcampbell6099 Yeah, sure, then the 4090 is the best value GPU.
I dont think so. Cube has good wheels but i feel for all their wheels, in their respective price range, there is always something better out there.
I can't take my eyes off that one darn hair stuck on the mic! ;)
Yep lots of plastic is a deal breaker for me its literally the reason i didnt buy a fanatec setup dont care if the name on it is prestigious especially when the use cheap material to make there products
polsimer....cheaper
The best value wheel is one made out of a single sheet of plywood. No holes for the fingers, no shifter paddles, just a sheet of plywood with a couple screws in the middle to connect it to a qr, that's the best value wheel
What you have described is the cheapest wheel, but the absence of any form of buttons and encoders renders it useless to virtually everyone and is therefore poor value. Value in something which is used for leisure is based on what functionality you require, how you expect that functionality to perform and how this compares to other items offering the same functionality.
@@tyrantworm7392 button box. inconvenient, but still
469+2 qrs+tax with plastic shifters.
Let's look at the entry level wheel... 629€. Whut🤣
Fanatec dd1 is the best value. End of video