Finally got past the queue, many people asked for a clean straight forward viper guide with no frills/gimmiskc/ in depth explanation they just wanted to get in and play ivper with as few "what the heck is a flanksbane sting?" as possible. Enjoy!
@@glaedth Not really, a combination of moving your eyes back and forth and using your peripheral vision doesn't make it too bad. Whether you're briefly staring at your skills or briefly staring at your job gauge, same thing.
@glaedth so instead of staring at your hotbar that clearly tells you what skill to press next, you stare at your gauge the whole fight? What's the difference besides one being clear and the other being a puzzle/math problem?
Yeah but this requires you to stare at hotbars. The 2nd hit in the string method only makes you glance at your job gauge for 3rd hits, because since we know if 1 is the 2nd hit=flank and 2=rear and these alternate every combo, the only uncertain hit is the 3rd one and that is a glance at the job gauge.
I do this as well but more with the buff icon. It is the same color and you can see that before you even start your 1-2-3 combo, that is what I have been looking at primarily.
i couldnt wrap my head around picto so im glad they added a job where all you do is hit the glowy buttons. perfect for a single celled organism like me.
Really? I actually got Picto way easier than Viper. Yes, you just have to press the glowing buttons, but I need to understand the reasons behind it, and Viper has such a open combo, mixing and matching in such weird ways that I just got lost 😭
The easiest way to go about Flanks and Hinds is that you can see what buff you have from the previous 1-2-3 combo. If it's green = flank, if it's red = rear. And that's pretty much it. I think that's much simplier than looking at the sword bar.
As a lot of people seem to be saying, I've been going off the color because I just couldn't make sense of the sword gauge. Thanks for explaining it clearly and concisely! Hopefully it will help me to not just stare at my buttons trying to figure out which color I'm on.
There are a few comprehensive guides on this job already on UA-cam, but to be honest it really helps seeing someone slowly go over each of the abilities and show them in real time instead of just talking over pre recorded gameplay of them doing the combos perfectly. This has helped the class really click with me, thanks man!
Easy Viper tips: - combo stage 1: only reapply the buff at 20 seconds or less, otherwise go for the damage - combo stage 2: just alternate these to keep both buffs up - combo stage 3: press the glowing one. Always alternates from flank to rear and vice versa. As the video states a "1" leads to a flank and a "2" leads to a rear. If you're unsure, red button = rear, green button = flank. - always keep a charge of dreadwinder available. If your debuff falls off or you start a fight mid combo this gets your debuff rolling again. Also use this if you can't hit positionals but can get melee range.
Where the heck is everyone getting green is flank and red is rear?!! I must be colorblind because when he gets the buff hunter's sting which is red he goes to the flank. Edit: Wait are you guys looking at the skill icon?!! Tf just look at the buff you get i.e: If you get the damage buff hunter's Instinct, the positional that follows will always be flank and vice versa.
The job itself seems to play pretty straightforwardly. The tool tips, on the other hand, are some of the worst I've seen in game so far. They just seem so confusing. It's probably just my terrible reading comprehension and the fact I was reading them tired as heck from staying up late just to play at launch. But I was reading all the Viper skills and just sort of had a bank stare, like wtf am I reading right now.
This guide was kind’ve all over the place with no real explanation on how things mesh together and how the job should work. No hate or malding just imo
I don't use the sword job gauge at all myself. The abilities highlighting on the bar does the same job telling you which ability to use. As for positionals, I just look at the skills. Green is flank, red is rear. I have not once looked at the sword gauge when playing Viper. It's nice to have options though, some people may like the gauge, others such as myself will just look at the highlighted skills and their colour.
Hi! I saw this build earlier and it helped a lot! I also think we did the level 95 dungeon together, I was the DRK lalafell "Kai Narukami" was fun to run a dungeon with you!
Easy rule for DPS - stick to the a$$ end of the target whenever possible. Never hurts and you're always in the right spot for any flank/rear hit. (And True North is your friend if you know you're out of position - but better to try and stay in the rear.) 😉🙃
Sorry for the noob question, but why would we use Dread Maul, when Dreadwinder does the same (give noxious Nash) but deals much more damage? But the time we need to reapply, Dreadwinder will be off cool down to cast again…
Nice guide! If I can offer one suggestion, consider referring to the combos as A-B-C rather than 1-2-3. Since you're already using 1 and 2 to refer to the button/action.
my only issue with the job gauge is it's inflexibility. . . . steel fangs is the most used ability, which for me means it's on the right side. However the job gauge shows it as the left side, making it basically unusable for me. AT least until they let us customize it a little bit (if they even do). Until then I just put an icon for steel/dread fangs around where I'd normally have the job gauge. Which is fine. Monk however isn't so fine, it's the same limitation but takes 6 icons on screen to handle what the job gauge does purely because I can't change the order. . . making monk basically unplayable for me until they change that. Most job gauges are fine, but when something starts correlating with a very specific skill sets in the core rotation . . then it needs customizability for people with hotkey setups that don't align with the order you got the skills in. It's probably equally as problematic for anyone who is left handed.
If you like Reaper it’s pretty much the same opener wise and combat wise it’s awesome and fast. Mostly keeping up buffs and making sure they are up and won’t fall before you burst with two reawakening
So ... I actually have a macro for the single target rotation ... where you don't have to hit all these different buttons ... you can spam 2 or 3 buttons and the rotation magically works out just fine ... /macroerror /micon Twinblood /ac Twinblood /ac Swiftskin's Coil /ac Hunter's Den I'm always spamming the rotation anyway on the keyboard... but now it's only FOUR buttons... if you combine 3 of the abilities together that you'd use for AoE and ST combo's after the initial 1st GCD, it just works itself out ... I don't notice any delay either...
Macros work in full seconds and not decimals, meaning you're wasting time not doing anything when you macro your rotation like this. Lets say, for the ease of math, you manage to squish your GCD to like 1.9 seconds with all the viper buffs and sks, you're losing 0.1 second every GCD in a fight where you make like 200 GCDs you just spent around 20 seconds doing nothing and it increases exponentially for every decimal you're father from the next second
the viper rotation is so intuitive i got that rotation just by playing and trying without really melee experience etc. Its fun. Only 1 thing feels weird as if i need an ogcd in between. When i press dreadwinder and wanna go into hunters coil or the other, there is a moment of gcd where i cant do anything and the char just stands there till coil is rdy to press. Is there anything for in between? Same of course on the aoe versions. Also, is it a major difference to start with the swiftskin instead of hunter dmg wise? For some reason in my brain it feels wrong to start flank. xD I dont know why, triggers me! xD
I thought Picto was gonna be more complex...it was way easier than Viper. I'm color blind and ironically I have an easier time understanding Picto compared to Viper. If there was an easier way to visually indicate positionals that would be so helpful
I'm currently leveling Picto, but plan on maining Viper until either: 1. the next expansion 2. I get bored of it and find a different job more fun whichever comes first
I'm so upset about what my ex fiance did to me that I'm still unable to even bring myself to enjoy the MSQ. I'm so freaking hurt. I just can't see a path forward where I am loved or held or wanted again. At this point I'm doing eveyrthing OTHER THAN the MSQ... gosh I really am a ruined person. There's no escaping it is there? My life is ruined. It's all over I'll never be loved or held again.
whats wrong with you, stop being so melodramatic. is this your first relationship? we've all been hurt from partners before, it happens. Mourn the situation, grieve how you need to but then pick yourself up and become better through it. People will always find way to hurt us in life, theyres no escaping it and there will be more people looking to take advantage of you as you get older. Think of it as a learning experience, the sword can only be tempered through fire. Cheers, i say this as someone who watch your content and wishes you the best, so please stop writing these kinds of things, you will be embarassed to read them a year from now
Why are you making videos still if you have so much going on... Take a break and better your mindset if you're in such wounded state. Your fans and subscribers don't need to see you like this if this is the content you're forcing yourself to put out while not enjoying the game to its fullest. You really need to take a break friend.
There is escaping, there is always a dawn and a way out of this. It isn't the end, things can get better and they will. Take a break if you need to and look after yourself first, your fans and subscribers will be here waiting for you and we want to see you healthy and happy too so go take a break, play the game how you want to. I hope that someday you will be loved and held the way you deserve again. Take care man, have a good rest and break. Also thank you so much for the guide, I've been having so much fun with viper but tbh I didn't really understand it haha. Now I do thanks to you :)
Viper Made Easy tldr: Press the blinking button. Your positionals are color coded.(thats pretty much the only good thing coming out of this job) They somehow made the new hyped up job into the most boring thing to ever exist in any mmorpg. Sprinkles of MNK without that many positionals. Sprinkles of RPR because lets just go copy enshrouded and make it blue. Viper has 0 identity to it. No flavour. The sword gauge is utterly useless, it shows you nothing the skill icon doesnt tell you in a more clear way. And the anti button bloat mechanic is a big part of the problem i feel like. - No its not the most complex thing because u suddenly bind 6 keys instead of 2. But now youve ended up on a job pressing just the same button over and over again.
I'm sorry for coming in with a negative comment(not about your video) I HATE positionals... they feel like artificial unnecessary complexity... we have enough to worry about in a fight than to remember if we are flank or behind... and many fights(thank the twelve) you can't do positionals anyway cuz the boss is a giant mass that takes up one whole side of the stage. Anyway, thanks for this video... positionals make me sad... feels like a barrier to me enjoying melee classes.
If it's rough and you don't wanna learn then it kinda ends there. But I really recommend that you learn it if you like melee. I love positionals. It adds an extra depth and when you pull it off and just about dodge put of aoe it feels amazing
yeah none of the replies in this are as helpful here as people think they are... "just play a different dps job" .... seriously? like... *seriously??* and then "just learn it, it feels amazing when you do" not if the person fucking despises the mechanic itself... they won't find it satisfying. this doesn't help them want to learn anything.
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Finally got past the queue, many people asked for a clean straight forward viper guide with no frills/gimmiskc/ in depth explanation they just wanted to get in and play ivper with as few "what the heck is a flanksbane sting?" as possible. Enjoy!
That job gauge is the single most useless job gauge they have ever made. Just press the buttons that light up on your hotbar...
The issue with that is you're staring at your hotbar the entire fight getting spanked by mechanics :D
I have never used that job Guage and play much better without it.
@@glaedth Not really, a combination of moving your eyes back and forth and using your peripheral vision doesn't make it too bad. Whether you're briefly staring at your skills or briefly staring at your job gauge, same thing.
@glaedth so instead of staring at your hotbar that clearly tells you what skill to press next, you stare at your gauge the whole fight? What's the difference besides one being clear and the other being a puzzle/math problem?
I put some abilities around the center so I can see what light up. In extreme and sevage fights you can't keep looking down.
3:18 if skill icon is green it's from flank if it's red it's from the back
This is how i’ve been going about it
Same. I just look at which skill is highlighted and what colour it is to determine which ones to use and where to position myself.
Yeah but this requires you to stare at hotbars. The 2nd hit in the string method only makes you glance at your job gauge for 3rd hits, because since we know if 1 is the 2nd hit=flank and 2=rear and these alternate every combo, the only uncertain hit is the 3rd one and that is a glance at the job gauge.
I'm colorblind.... fuck.
I do this as well but more with the buff icon. It is the same color and you can see that before you even start your 1-2-3 combo, that is what I have been looking at primarily.
i couldnt wrap my head around picto so im glad they added a job where all you do is hit the glowy buttons. perfect for a single celled organism like me.
Really? I actually got Picto way easier than Viper. Yes, you just have to press the glowing buttons, but I need to understand the reasons behind it, and Viper has such a open combo, mixing and matching in such weird ways that I just got lost 😭
@@JulesVante HAHAH me tooo!!! Picto was much easier for me.
The easiest way to go about Flanks and Hinds is that you can see what buff you have from the previous 1-2-3 combo. If it's green = flank, if it's red = rear. And that's pretty much it. I think that's much simplier than looking at the sword bar.
exectly what i did red - reaer grean - flank. EXCEPT when that one ability that opens up 2 greens that are flank and rear lol
Agreed, I almost never even look at my sword bar playing this job
*cries in cross hotbar~
Exactly
Took "Follow the Swords" too literal, I am now part of a wild pack of Swords.
The sword gauge would be so much more useful if it it changed color based on which positional I still gotta look at the hot bar for that
idk where your buffs are positioned on your hud but you can look at that and see if you have the red or green buff. thats what ive been doing.
Rather than memorizing the name of the position, go by the icon color. The green icons are flank, red is rear.
As a lot of people seem to be saying, I've been going off the color because I just couldn't make sense of the sword gauge. Thanks for explaining it clearly and concisely! Hopefully it will help me to not just stare at my buttons trying to figure out which color I'm on.
If it helps it always starts with rear and cycles each time. Rear flank Rear flank ect... you can get a good rhythm to it after a while.
There are a few comprehensive guides on this job already on UA-cam, but to be honest it really helps seeing someone slowly go over each of the abilities and show them in real time instead of just talking over pre recorded gameplay of them doing the combos perfectly. This has helped the class really click with me, thanks man!
much like making guides when you havent cleared a fight making a guide for a class you don't have max level yet is asinine.
Easy Viper tips:
- combo stage 1: only reapply the buff at 20 seconds or less, otherwise go for the damage
- combo stage 2: just alternate these to keep both buffs up
- combo stage 3: press the glowing one. Always alternates from flank to rear and vice versa. As the video states a "1" leads to a flank and a "2" leads to a rear. If you're unsure, red button = rear, green button = flank.
- always keep a charge of dreadwinder available. If your debuff falls off or you start a fight mid combo this gets your debuff rolling again. Also use this if you can't hit positionals but can get melee range.
What’s the purpose of having two flanks and two hinds as 3rd step in 1-2-3? They both do the same thing…
Where the heck is everyone getting green is flank and red is rear?!!
I must be colorblind because when he gets the buff hunter's sting which is red he goes to the flank.
Edit: Wait are you guys looking at the skill icon?!!
Tf just look at the buff you get i.e:
If you get the damage buff hunter's Instinct, the positional that follows will always be flank and vice versa.
The job itself seems to play pretty straightforwardly. The tool tips, on the other hand, are some of the worst I've seen in game so far. They just seem so confusing.
It's probably just my terrible reading comprehension and the fact I was reading them tired as heck from staying up late just to play at launch. But I was reading all the Viper skills and just sort of had a bank stare, like wtf am I reading right now.
This guide was kind’ve all over the place with no real explanation on how things mesh together and how the job should work. No hate or malding just imo
Easy way to remember this is red = back, green = side. If you look at your abilities like I do
Should probably update this guide because you completely left out OGCD serpents tail
If I get the hang of it it might replace samurai for me. Viper is more aesthetically pleasing.
I don't use the sword job gauge at all myself. The abilities highlighting on the bar does the same job telling you which ability to use. As for positionals, I just look at the skills. Green is flank, red is rear. I have not once looked at the sword gauge when playing Viper. It's nice to have options though, some people may like the gauge, others such as myself will just look at the highlighted skills and their colour.
LOL I lowkey hid mine, i can keep track of whether or not I have Rattling Coil based on literally just doing the rotation lol
This job is weird in a bad way. It only looks good on lvl 90+
It's weird that they brought back positionals on Viper after removing positionals on basically every class in the game. I dont see those staying.
some combo finishers are positionals on every melee other than reaper, who also has them, just on separate buttons. What are you talking about
DRG still has them
Hi! I saw this build earlier and it helped a lot!
I also think we did the level 95 dungeon together, I was the DRK lalafell "Kai Narukami" was fun to run a dungeon with you!
Easy rule for DPS - stick to the a$$ end of the target whenever possible. Never hurts and you're always in the right spot for any flank/rear hit. (And True North is your friend if you know you're out of position - but better to try and stay in the rear.) 😉🙃
Sorry for the noob question, but why would we use Dread Maul, when Dreadwinder does the same (give noxious Nash) but deals much more damage? But the time we need to reapply, Dreadwinder will be off cool down to cast again…
Nice guide! If I can offer one suggestion, consider referring to the combos as A-B-C rather than 1-2-3. Since you're already using 1 and 2 to refer to the button/action.
Sending love I know how it feels I’m going through something similar myself I hope you are okay.
Bless you for making this, I did Not have the spoons to read the absolute Dissertation that is console monk's tooltips 😭😭😂😂
Wouldn’t it be cool if there were like two different death rattle non gcds to play around with and make this look even faster
my only issue with the job gauge is it's inflexibility. . . . steel fangs is the most used ability, which for me means it's on the right side. However the job gauge shows it as the left side, making it basically unusable for me. AT least until they let us customize it a little bit (if they even do). Until then I just put an icon for steel/dread fangs around where I'd normally have the job gauge. Which is fine.
Monk however isn't so fine, it's the same limitation but takes 6 icons on screen to handle what the job gauge does purely because I can't change the order. . . making monk basically unplayable for me until they change that. Most job gauges are fine, but when something starts correlating with a very specific skill sets in the core rotation . . then it needs customizability for people with hotkey setups that don't align with the order you got the skills in. It's probably equally as problematic for anyone who is left handed.
If you like Reaper it’s pretty much the same opener wise and combat wise it’s awesome and fast. Mostly keeping up buffs and making sure they are up and won’t fall before you burst with two reawakening
So ... I actually have a macro for the single target rotation ... where you don't have to hit all these different buttons ... you can spam 2 or 3 buttons and the rotation magically works out just fine ...
/macroerror
/micon Twinblood
/ac Twinblood
/ac Swiftskin's Coil
/ac Hunter's Den
I'm always spamming the rotation anyway on the keyboard... but now it's only FOUR buttons... if you combine 3 of the abilities together that you'd use for AoE and ST combo's after the initial 1st GCD, it just works itself out ... I don't notice any delay either...
Macros work in full seconds and not decimals, meaning you're wasting time not doing anything when you macro your rotation like this.
Lets say, for the ease of math, you manage to squish your GCD to like 1.9 seconds with all the viper buffs and sks, you're losing 0.1 second every GCD in a fight where you make like 200 GCDs you just spent around 20 seconds doing nothing and it increases exponentially for every decimal you're father from the next second
Why would you dumb down a job like this? I'm just happy it's at least slightly different the other 100 samey jobs.
Dude, keep kicking ass and making them videos!
The way I remembered flank/rear was... green = flank red = rear
Clipping galore, basically...
this feels very reaper coded.
Which glamour set are you using for the thumbnail so awesome.
He's using the tyrant set from last season's pvp
@@anarcnamedjustin3451 I'm assuming now we're on the next season this won't be obtainable anymore?
@@BigSmusha Sadly that is correct, yes
the viper rotation is so intuitive i got that rotation just by playing and trying without really melee experience etc. Its fun. Only 1 thing feels weird as if i need an ogcd in between. When i press dreadwinder and wanna go into hunters coil or the other, there is a moment of gcd where i cant do anything and the char just stands there till coil is rdy to press. Is there anything for in between? Same of course on the aoe versions. Also, is it a major difference to start with the swiftskin instead of hunter dmg wise? For some reason in my brain it feels wrong to start flank. xD I dont know why, triggers me! xD
Thanks for the guide! Sorry you’re having a rough time, it’ll get better! Just keep your head up!
I thought Picto was gonna be more complex...it was way easier than Viper. I'm color blind and ironically I have an easier time understanding Picto compared to Viper. If there was an easier way to visually indicate positionals that would be so helpful
I'm currently leveling Picto, but plan on maining Viper until either:
1. the next expansion
2. I get bored of it and find a different job more fun
whichever comes first
I'm so upset about what my ex fiance did to me that I'm still unable to even bring myself to enjoy the MSQ. I'm so freaking hurt. I just can't see a path forward where I am loved or held or wanted again. At this point I'm doing eveyrthing OTHER THAN the MSQ... gosh I really am a ruined person. There's no escaping it is there? My life is ruined. It's all over I'll never be loved or held again.
Sending hugs.
whats wrong with you, stop being so melodramatic. is this your first relationship? we've all been hurt from partners before, it happens. Mourn the situation, grieve how you need to but then pick yourself up and become better through it. People will always find way to hurt us in life, theyres no escaping it and there will be more people looking to take advantage of you as you get older. Think of it as a learning experience, the sword can only be tempered through fire. Cheers, i say this as someone who watch your content and wishes you the best, so please stop writing these kinds of things, you will be embarassed to read them a year from now
Why are you making videos still if you have so much going on... Take a break and better your mindset if you're in such wounded state. Your fans and subscribers don't need to see you like this if this is the content you're forcing yourself to put out while not enjoying the game to its fullest. You really need to take a break friend.
There is escaping, there is always a dawn and a way out of this. It isn't the end, things can get better and they will. Take a break if you need to and look after yourself first, your fans and subscribers will be here waiting for you and we want to see you healthy and happy too so go take a break, play the game how you want to. I hope that someday you will be loved and held the way you deserve again. Take care man, have a good rest and break. Also thank you so much for the guide, I've been having so much fun with viper but tbh I didn't really understand it haha. Now I do thanks to you :)
Wut?
Viper Made Easy tldr: Press the blinking button. Your positionals are color coded.(thats pretty much the only good thing coming out of this job)
They somehow made the new hyped up job into the most boring thing to ever exist in any mmorpg. Sprinkles of MNK without that many positionals. Sprinkles of RPR because lets just go copy enshrouded and make it blue. Viper has 0 identity to it. No flavour. The sword gauge is utterly useless, it shows you nothing the skill icon doesnt tell you in a more clear way. And the anti button bloat mechanic is a big part of the problem i feel like. - No its not the most complex thing because u suddenly bind 6 keys instead of 2. But now youve ended up on a job pressing just the same button over and over again.
I'm sorry for coming in with a negative comment(not about your video) I HATE positionals... they feel like artificial unnecessary complexity... we have enough to worry about in a fight than to remember if we are flank or behind... and many fights(thank the twelve) you can't do positionals anyway cuz the boss is a giant mass that takes up one whole side of the stage.
Anyway, thanks for this video...
positionals make me sad... feels like a barrier to me enjoying melee classes.
I recommend ranged then. It's fine if a job isn't for you. Leave it for people who enjoy it.
If it's rough and you don't wanna learn then it kinda ends there. But I really recommend that you learn it if you like melee. I love positionals. It adds an extra depth and when you pull it off and just about dodge put of aoe it feels amazing
yeah none of the replies in this are as helpful here as people think they are... "just play a different dps job" .... seriously? like... *seriously??*
and then "just learn it, it feels amazing when you do" not if the person fucking despises the mechanic itself... they won't find it satisfying. this doesn't help them want to learn anything.
I just don't understand how Sphene becomes the last trial robot thing