irradiated disarm unfortunately doesn’t proc radiation, they just get affected by the status effect and attack eachother, kinda like chaos before the rework
Thanks for clarifying. I was so confused. Well, that's lowkey pointless. Its good for crowd control, I guess, but the main point of having the enemies attack each through radiation is that the status effect allows them to do increased damage to each other
@ well yeah but it can still be helpful, u can use it to get the enemy attention out of a defense point or even as a weird way of supporting allies, in one cast you basically lock down an entire room, loki isn’t exactly the hardest hitting warframe but he has a lot of utility
I also use Xata helminth but as 4th Im using full all duration mods & strength (from arcane cresp, precision intens, blind rage), Safeguard only augment, vigorous swap, everything else is energy economy mods 15s safeguard does feels nice even so with augur mod *Augur mod is quite the mandatory, it reduce/delete the time you being vulnurable while doing Safeguard switch casting animation, so now you have a nice reminder of when to recast the 15s invul button in the form of shield gate animation, can be activated tru sentinel weapon too and since loki has high base speed and now moded for high strength, switch teleport feels like volt ability Speed Speedy, deadly, invincible loki is my fav loki build xD
I think when people say loki is bad, they just mean boring, because bro is actually the strongest frame a newbie can build and succeed with outside of revenant. That or warframe tends to attract gamers with skill issues.
@@walkelftexasranger Decoy is godlike at distracting enemies. I'm easily able to solo level cap circuit with loki without being afraid of defense missions failing because of it.
Negative Strength Xata's build? That doesn't feel right... I subsume his 4 since it's honestly useless piece of crap in most cases and use Damage Decoy (really great augment btw, give it a try).
Yeah, hence why I said xata's wouldn't be ideal for this build. It's just something i had prior, lol My intention was to mostly talk about Loki and his kit more so than the build, wanted to build into crowd control using his 4th's augment but only realized afterwards that it's doesn't apply radiation stacks making it pretty much pointless
mmm... Yes, Loki is outdated and needs updating. He's probably boring, although that's subjective. However, its obsolescence is a fact. Nevertheless, the claim was not so much that he was "interesting" as that his ability to remain invisible and have invulnerability was not appreciated properly and he turned out to be even lower in survival rank than those who do not have anything like this. As for skills, especially 4 abilities and passive skills, yes, they definitely need to be reworked. They've lost all relevance for at least 5 years now. I don't see much point in turning Loki into Nyx. Why duplicate it? However, it is worth emphasizing his ability to wreak havoc in battle. For example, a passive ability can increase the damage of opponents to each other (similar to the effect of radiation, but stronger, or impose a radiation effect on any attack, which would lead to "chaos" while Loki would remain invisible). As for the 4th ability: considering that no control effect works on bosses and eximus, which means this ability will not be effective in any type of mission, I would replace it altogether. For example, the Dagas-like ability: an activated ability with a cooldown time, when receiving fatal damage, which forcibly activates Loki's 3rd ability on the nearest opponent. Such is the deception. Otherwise, the only point here is not to turn Loki into an attacking Frame, and not to give him a million damage out of nowhere, just "because", but to leave him the same invisible and fast alternative to the Revenant, with a high survival rate, but able to escape death and wreak havoc. Something like that. Such thoughts.
I agree, I also think turning him into another damage or nuking frame just because would be a waste of such a cool concept. Hence why I was primarily focused on changes that would be crowd control focused. Genuinely didn't think of Nyx when I was talking about the changes I'd make. Another Idea for a cool passive that would stay on theme could be: Each time Loki casts and ability he emits a wave of energy (scales with range and strength) this wave tricks nearby enemies into a false sense of security causing them to lower their defenses (removing armor, shields and even overguard) causing them to be easier targets for crowd control.This could also be a passive effect of his Decoys
@@NimbusGaming876 Yes, as an option! It may be somewhat imbalanced in this form: removing all armor, shields, or overguard, but the concept itself is a good idea. Maybe just weaken, rather than completely eliminate. But, yes. A great option is to make opponents weaker rather than Loki stronger.
he's out dated but no rework at all is needed he's a very good Warframe everyone just doesn't know how to play him point blank my point stand he's a lvl cap Warframe
loki is a S tier warframe
I could not agree more
He is so OP DE had to nerf CC
I AM NOT BIASED (I'm a Loki main for 6yrs now)
irradiated disarm unfortunately doesn’t proc radiation, they just get affected by the status effect and attack eachother, kinda like chaos before the rework
Thanks for clarifying. I was so confused.
Well, that's lowkey pointless. Its good for crowd control, I guess, but the main point of having the enemies attack each through radiation is that the status effect allows them to do increased damage to each other
@ well yeah but it can still be helpful, u can use it to get the enemy attention out of a defense point or even as a weird way of supporting allies, in one cast you basically lock down an entire room, loki isn’t exactly the hardest hitting warframe but he has a lot of utility
I also use Xata helminth but as 4th
Im using full all duration mods & strength (from arcane cresp, precision intens, blind rage), Safeguard only augment, vigorous swap, everything else is energy economy mods
15s safeguard does feels nice even so with augur mod
*Augur mod is quite the mandatory, it reduce/delete the time you being vulnurable while doing Safeguard switch casting animation, so now you have a nice reminder of when to recast the 15s invul button in the form of shield gate animation, can be activated tru sentinel weapon too
and since loki has high base speed and now moded for high strength, switch teleport feels like volt ability Speed
Speedy, deadly, invincible loki is my fav loki build xD
I think Loki is one of those frames that like... It might be "outdated", but whatever Loki does, Loki seems to do rather well!
I think when people say loki is bad, they just mean boring, because bro is actually the strongest frame a newbie can build and succeed with outside of revenant.
That or warframe tends to attract gamers with skill issues.
People are capable of dying with Revenant, obviously it's skill issue :D
With Loki you have to be bit more creative to make full use of Decoy.
@@walkelftexasranger Decoy is godlike at distracting enemies. I'm easily able to solo level cap circuit with loki without being afraid of defense missions failing because of it.
Negative Strength Xata's build? That doesn't feel right...
I subsume his 4 since it's honestly useless piece of crap in most cases and use Damage Decoy (really great augment btw, give it a try).
Yeah, hence why I said xata's wouldn't be ideal for this build. It's just something i had prior, lol
My intention was to mostly talk about Loki and his kit more so than the build, wanted to build into crowd control using his 4th's augment but only realized afterwards that it's doesn't apply radiation stacks making it pretty much pointless
mmm... Yes, Loki is outdated and needs updating. He's probably boring, although that's subjective. However, its obsolescence is a fact. Nevertheless, the claim was not so much that he was "interesting" as that his ability to remain invisible and have invulnerability was not appreciated properly and he turned out to be even lower in survival rank than those who do not have anything like this.
As for skills, especially 4 abilities and passive skills, yes, they definitely need to be reworked. They've lost all relevance for at least 5 years now.
I don't see much point in turning Loki into Nyx. Why duplicate it? However, it is worth emphasizing his ability to wreak havoc in battle. For example, a passive ability can increase the damage of opponents to each other (similar to the effect of radiation, but stronger, or impose a radiation effect on any attack, which would lead to "chaos" while Loki would remain invisible).
As for the 4th ability: considering that no control effect works on bosses and eximus, which means this ability will not be effective in any type of mission, I would replace it altogether. For example, the Dagas-like ability: an activated ability with a cooldown time, when receiving fatal damage, which forcibly activates Loki's 3rd ability on the nearest opponent. Such is the deception.
Otherwise, the only point here is not to turn Loki into an attacking Frame, and not to give him a million damage out of nowhere, just "because", but to leave him the same invisible and fast alternative to the Revenant, with a high survival rate, but able to escape death and wreak havoc. Something like that. Such thoughts.
I agree, I also think turning him into another damage or nuking frame just because would be a waste of such a cool concept. Hence why I was primarily focused on changes that would be crowd control focused.
Genuinely didn't think of Nyx when I was talking about the changes I'd make.
Another Idea for a cool passive that would stay on theme could be: Each time Loki casts and ability he emits a wave of energy (scales with range and strength) this wave tricks nearby enemies into a false sense of security causing them to lower their defenses (removing armor, shields and even overguard) causing them to be easier targets for crowd control.This could also be a passive effect of his Decoys
@@NimbusGaming876 Yes, as an option! It may be somewhat imbalanced in this form: removing all armor, shields, or overguard, but the concept itself is a good idea. Maybe just weaken, rather than completely eliminate. But, yes. A great option is to make opponents weaker rather than Loki stronger.
he's out dated but no rework at all is needed he's a very good Warframe everyone just doesn't know how to play him point blank my point stand he's a lvl cap Warframe