Ported vs Sealed Enclosure Subwoofer Box Test with Decibel Meter Using My Daughters Bass Car
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- An interesting car audio experiment comparing a sealed vs ported sub box using my daughters bass car sound system (my oldschool Rockford Fosgate setup) to illustrate the decibel difference between a sealed subwoofer enclosure vs a ported subwoofer enclosure to see how much output is gained between the two setups using an SSA APM-1 dB meter. I hope this video helps you decide which box you choose when building a box for your woofers.
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This, right here is a smart father. Got his daughter into car audio and now he can fill all "lay down" space in the vehicle with speakers. Hat's off to you!
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😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣
Kinda silly
I just watch her sit on the subs
You’re a cool dad, my dad tutted and disapproved his way through to helping me install my first system and still complains about sounds systems in my car 20 years later. He still asks to listen to the system whenever I make changes though, I treasure those times with my Old Man... :)
hahaha
fathers never approve upon daughters
& their silence is approval typically
I hope he's rocking solid
Bless you & you dad;)
miss my old man. He would listen to mine also
Same with my old man brother, hates when I spend money on it but loves hearing it once I’m done 😂😂😂
That’s just the common denominator with fathers. I still remember the build I did for my father. He made me learn by myself the first time (through UA-cam) then magically told me he did this too smh. Appreciate him though
@@dinozaurpickupline4221 I approve upon my daughter constantly. I need her to know there's 1 man in her life that will always support & help with all the crazy shit she does & wild ideas she has. when she gets in my suv, first thing she says is "can u play the stereo loud?" I can guarantee I'll be helping her with her system builds & upgrades
I love those old Rockfords... I'm running an old school Rockford Fosgate power 500.1bd on one Cerwin vega stroker 12 at 1ohm. They dont recommend running them 1ohm but it slams very well for one sub in a small vented enclosure. I hope my little girl takes to bass the way yours has... Props to ya man. Any way a man can bond with his kids is a win. Just a plus getting to do it with something you enjoy. Congrats to ur daughter for the 1st place finish....
Awesome old school setup, i had some of the fosgate stuff in the late 90’s, was awesome!!
This is all I was looking for. For like an hour. Thank you!!
What exactly were you looking for?
Yeah me too
I'm glad to see this setup still exist I remember seeing a demo on here years ago I don't remember whose channel it was
Love your videos!! Great for Brianna!!! .... With larger area ports the db gain over sealed does get higher.. Eventually it does go 3 db louder... In fact sometimes more 4 to 5 db... But always prove it with a meter!!! Nobody argues with a good meter!!
Two of those punch power DVC 12s in a sealed box & a crossfire 1000 D in the trunk of a 87 cougar was one of my all time favorite setups
MAN!!! I miss that old Fosgate. Those amps were insane, and the subs XLC HX2 HE2 power dvc..... USAC..... good times 😁😁
Solid equipment for sure, it makes me sad that RF stuff is no longer made in Temple AZ USA... thanks for watching and commenting!
The power line amps are as good or better than old school But I miss my old school RF shredder design. The punch and prime definitely not as good as old school
I still got 2 12´s Hx2 and nothing compares to them... not even Orion Subs :(
@@jaydee2620 yeah my buddy got a punch p3 and that thing was weak. i had one of those old cheap sony's that looked kinda like a hexagon just sitting around so we through it in there to make sure it wasn't the amp that was the weakest link.. man that sony blew that thing away. ended up trading him for the fosgate being i wasn't using the sony anyway. now i'm stuck with it.
The old school Rockford stuff sounds great! This what I used to rock back in the 90s, but I still have some of it.
RF 15"'s & amps look serious!! Love the original Punch stuff hit so hard back then.
I remember this subwoofer. I was running two sealed Massive CW 12's at the time. My best friend pulls up from the stereo shop and we go for a cruise around the block. A single Punch Power 15 in a huge Obcon ported box... the difference blew my mind! Fast forward 15ish years, I still think of that single sub setup.
that just makes me think of what you run today?
@@VincentsVideoVisions A single CT Sounds Strato 12 off a Cerwin Vega Stroker S91000.1D, and in my family car a VVX 10 off an Infinity K1000. Swapping a Wolfram AG12 this week. Not sure which car will end up with the AG yet, most like mine
First video I’ve watched of you and I really liked it. Sub!
Great video 👍 and congrats on her win. Definitely love old school equipment !!!!!
Thanks for watching and commenting! The oldschool equipment always brings back memories.
This was a great vid. I just told my adult son..who is getting his first system..that he needs a sealed box...BECAUSE they hit harder. I was just proven wrong.
Ive believed for years, that sealed hits harder. I had 2 old Kicker 15s in a sealed box and I used to set off Car alarms..and THAT was my guage. They sat in the back of a Sport Explorer and had plenty of airspace to expand.
Thanks for the vid.
Cheers from N SEATTLE
These subs take me back to a better time In my life
@Paige Miller Me too, use to run eight Rockford 15s.
What is ur profile pic
@ Dre Swag, it’s a 85 c10, with a 2 tone paint scheme I designed on my computer.
I had an S10 blazer with 4 XLC 12’s getting pushed with 2 Punch 200ix DSM amps.
Back to comp days think it was a 155.5 out of single 15 idk my boss back then was a crackhead
Nice video! I love that old school Fosgate setup too, and it's awesome that you've passed it on. Seems like the best part about a hobby is passing it on to your children :)
All three of my kids are into audio, its a great feeling, if we don't pass out hobbies and interests on to our kids they will fade. Thanks for watching and commenting!
You are so right, that's why I wanna have kids someday to enjoy loud bass with and keep the hobby going :)
I’m not sure a ported box makes it much louder, but it does sound very different. Sealed boxes sound more “bumpy” while ported sounds more “boomy” to me.
I have 15 inch sub sealed but it does not rumble in the chest pls any advice
@@Michalslanskycz What sub and amp are you running and what enclosure and I can do my best to help
I got sealed and wonder if I should go ported. I don't know what bumpy or boomy implies.
@@DJBLESSDyou would definitely notice a difference in the sound and you’ll probably realize exactly what I mean lol. Give it a try
@@TheLILWITEFITZ yes a difference of better or worse I don't know and I guess to try it would let me know. Good shout. I just wonder if it will be a waste of time. The boxes to buy are 100 to 200 or I could try make it for like 50. "If in doubt check it out" 😉
Those are some of the best amps ever made. Very nice!
Thanks for your time on explaining the difference between sealed and ported. Good video
Great video ! cool to see a fellow member of Legends of Car Audio.
Awesome video! Tuned in for the other tests specially the cone area test 1 15 vs 2 15s
Hopefully I can get one done soon, still crappy weather up this way, snow / rain mix last night. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Appreciate the knowledge learned some today
Love the Old School car audio. I own a lot of old school gear, NIB (new in box)
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My boy got a single rockford old school 15 the same one in a a sealed box i looked at it and expected it to sound like a kicker... and man that things got the best sound quality ive ever heard .. better than my jl w6 v3 sealed... And that thing gets loud on low watts i might buy it from him before he blows it
So was not expecting he 1st test. Had the sounds up and started the hell out of me
Nice video reminds me of back in 1998 when I was running 4 punch power DVC 15 with 2 punch power 1000s in a 1987 merkur xr4ti competing in spl competition as a privateer going up against all the car audio shops good stuff man
Wow, those DVC's are still gettin it!! Really miss That RF line from back in the day.
A lot of people now days don't appreciate how loud the oldschool stuff can get. I'm kinda sad that Rockford is no longer USA made :( Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@E4EonEbay were the old school subs and amps really that loud tho? my dad always tells me that the systems back then were really loud but then i went to an audio shop w him and he told one of the newer younger guys how it used to get loud and the dude started sayin that its better now n u can pay half the price for double the output but idk i didnt live thru the 80’s and 90’s when bass was really common, anyways im jus trynna ask if the old school stuff was as loud as they are today
I had those 15's and amps back in 1999. In a ford escort.
@@Nico-jk4sb Yes they were. The main brands like Rockford, JL, Cerwin Vega, xtant, Us amps, ppi, Zapco, eclipse, Alpine, and of course Kicker we're the shit and very expensive.
Thank you for this video!
Great vid and very nice system setup 👍🍺
Love those old school fosgates
That’s dedication to music right there!
Short and sweet. Great video. And no swearing. Which is why I subscribed.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching and commenting!
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Dad like me.. I also build stereos in the kids cars. Old school Rockford Fosgate too!! Thank you!!
Man I love those old 1100@2 amps. A ton of clean raw power and very underrated
Those 1100a2 amps helped carry me to an undefeated rookie season competing in NADBL, they are beasts for sure! Thanks for watching and commenting
Most fosgate amps are under rated... i got a p325.1 running four dvc 12s and it beats for 300 watts
Great vid as usual Steve. Interesting to say the least
Steve B. Thanks for watching!
That’s a badass set-up all fosgate!
Thanks for Watching And Commenting!
Very interesting. I would like to see the same experiment done with frequency range.
i loved my old rockford subs like those.
They bring back memories for so many people. Thanks for watching and commenting!
She's quite the basshead, just started her own channel - ua-cam.com/channels/TKrYsApDlmKB3v5tG7__3w.html?pbjreload=10 - She took 1st in Rookie at the Team Deadly Hertz show, you can see her meter run here - ua-cam.com/video/2O4SeJzHci4/v-deo.html She is currently a 151.5, her latest competition was the Frozen SPL show - ua-cam.com/video/ChR0gRUubCc/v-deo.html Thanks for watching and commenting! Please like & Subscribe!!!! - Meter used was an SSA APM1 Meter. The enclosure has separate chambers, 2.5cf each after displacements, with the port flares it is tuned to 35hz
Steve Young im running a prime 500 2ohm to a single p2 12 2 ohm in a p box single ported. It does good for 1.8 cf box but i want a lil more out of it ! Any help would be appreciated . Was thinkn bout goin to a p3 but i dont think the 500 prime can push it? Ty
Nice old school setup! Subbed :)
Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!
cool video, nice price won, thanks for the advice.
Hey thank you for the information appreciated... however in the vehicle can you feel a significant difference ?
Nice job on the test video and on winning 1st place
That's a great score for some legendary gear
Thanks man, it is stuff that was built to last for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great example. Can you measure the difference of facing the woofers forward vs backwards and upwards?
I hit a 157.5 at an SPL comp back in 2001 running 3 JL 12’s and a punch 800A2
I’m hoping my kids will love this also give us more to do together… I’m hitting 110 with just a random set up. None name brand system with Pioneer radio touchscreen
Dope... I wstched that vid when you did the comparison a while back... Nice that you passed it down to your " 15yr" old daughter...
Sheeesh all the creepers come out pisses me off... Much love n respect to your love of bass and your family homie...
Much appreciated, its expected to run into some creeps on the net. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Steve Young im always wayching anything car audio homie... I apreciate you posting and making it fun and all ypur tests and knowledge is really great and super awaome dogg thank ypu
It’s awesome that you gave that system to your daughter and encourage car audio. All I ever heard from my parents My parents was “Waste of money” and “Turn that shit down” lol
You got audiophiles and pedophiles. ...lol
Old school yeahhh brings back memories
I ran that setup for the majority of my rookie season with NADBL, those oldschool subs helped carry me to an undefeated rookie season. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Nice system set up.
I have had so many systems but easily my favorite was back when I had a pair of Fosgate DVC 12's in a sealed box running off a MTX Black Gold amp. I just haven't been able to find a sub with the same force factor. I went to 4 12" JL audio 12w3 running off twice the power. It was loud but nothing even close to the beating the 2 Fosgate DVC 12's would give you. I wish Rockford Fosgate would release a classic series of car audio where the legends that made the company would be available. I would buy multiple systems just to have backups of everything.
I'm sorry, don't know if anyone has said it or not yet but brother your daughter is cuuute! That is just awesome that you got her into bass AND competing even, doesn't get no better than that right there!!!
She has since switched up her equipment and is doing a 151.5 sealed at the comps. Thanks for watching!
@@E4EonEbay niiiiice, what is she running for equipment now? I have two skar Sk3500's strapped on a set of Dave Leib upgraded sundown x12's and I'm right around same score as her but I'm tuned crazy low for subsonic suicide...
@@E4EonEbay I been wanting to buy some larger subs tho, I can't decide if I wanna grab & run 1 nsv4 15 now and another later or grab a set of zv5's...
@@kevinAuman1 she is currently running two Sundown zv3 15s on a Team Cactus 5k
NIIICCCEEEEE
Nice!
I'll never go ported, sealed sounds so much better.
Its tighter, punchier, more accurate bass and it has a far better general response across frequencies vs a ported box that sounds baggy and is tuned to sound loud on a very narrow frequency band
Still running sealed? But I agree the sound quality is something else wit a sealed enclosure.
I had those subs they bang.lot of power for them.i still have a power 1000 from that series.next yr model after the 1100
Thanks for this video.. I have a sealed box that I haven’t used since I bought it.. I’m not trying to hit SPL level.. just I nice tight bass
Wanting to know more about your setup. I got the same DVC 15s sealed but trying to still find RF amps to match. Are you running at 1ohm or 2ohm. Any upgrades to charging system so on.tia
Don't know how this popped up in my youtube sidebar but good video Steve. Hopefully we have shows again next year and I can see you and the family around the scene. As always if there's anything I have that would help you guys I'd let you borrow whatever.
Beautiful comparison
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Put them in a professional ported box that's set for 32-35 Hz. Guarantee it's slaps way harder... Sealed is for old heads, new school ports are where it's at. We can make one 12, sound like two 15s these days. Your set up it's dope regardless.
Those old punch subs are awesome
You've probably gone on to a different setup by now, but I wonder what your air speed is in those ports. They might be compressing your output. Also, porting increases the volume at a specific frequency, so it's not necessarily 'supposed' to be +3dB everywhere in the range. Your port tuning and your listening area's tuning are two very different things.
But what sounds better? I had a sealed box with two Rockford Fosgate punch 12s and a 700watt Rockford amp and it was some of the tightest and cleanest bass and would put out 144db without any stress.
Nice comparison but I wonder how much of a difference there would be sealed if you just took the ports out instead of plugging them?
Just subbed bro👍🏾
Great video I would love some videos of different set ups and stuff
Check out her channel for a rundown of her latest setup - ua-cam.com/channels/TKrYsApDlmKB3v5tG7__3w.html
What I've noticed is that, to gain 3db or more from the subs in a ported enclosure. You need an enclosure that's ridiculously large. As in like 2x larger.
I prefer sealed honestly. My 12s are in a sealed enclosure.
Small sealed box for cars, large ported box for home theater 👍
Yes, they're usually 2x as large😂
This agrees with the iron law that of course more space makes more Bass.
I've always loved triple or quadruple sealed setups because you can fit twice the drivers in the same amount of air space while maintaining a tighter more accurate sound that has more impact.
I'm actually headed out to the garage right now to start building my sealed enclosure for three 12-in stereo integrity SQL 12s. They are the best deal out there by a mile if you want ultra high performance xbl2 motor sealed subwoofer setups.
Ported can move a lot of air sure but you're never going to get that blur your eyeballs Hammer to the chest at a concert perfect drums feeling out of them.
sealed sounds better and hits lower. if you're going for spl then yeah ported. but i'm into SQ these days.
@@XX-121 if you run enough power on sealed it's still loud but has that concentrated impact and clarity and transient ability that ported doesn't it's worth running twice the power to a sealed setup
That's what I was hitting sealed back in 90's. Soundstream..
Cool video man thanks! I remember your setup on EXO's channel and even remember thinking, it'd be cool to see numbers. Thanks again!
Your welcome, thanks for watching and commenting!
I noticed the passenger climate display light has went out mine went out to was wondering if it was from beating on the dash to eject CDs from Factory CD player
That's bad ass. I need too step up my game
What was the badass part?
We used to get a lot of db gain on isobaric 3 chamber, all ported, 2 drivers. 30 years ago. I preferred conventional boxes for sound quality..these days if you put 2000 watts to a 10" maybe you won't miss the conventional feel?
Are the 36hz the tuning frequency? Then it should be way more than like 1,5db. If so, your ports are too small and compress very hard what makes them behave like a closed box on high spl due to much port speed.
I'd like to see the dB reading at 20-25hz sealed vs ported. I'm interested to see which will hit harder on the low frequencies. Great video.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I'm assuming if the ported side were tuned low enough it could be quite interesting to see. I did do a video showing the excursion side by side playing 20hz - ua-cam.com/video/gMjPjDh4bK4/v-deo.html
If the ported box is Tuned right. It vil be louder at Lower frequencies.
Sealed has almost flat response over Low frequencies. If you have a powerful amp and a subwoofer, go for sealed for hard hitting bass
I had a similar situation with my triple audiobahn alum10q's. Friend if mine has 3 as well. Mine are sealed and his is ported and we can not find any major differences between the outputs. The difference is that he rebuilt his with dual 4ohm coils and I am using all stock from the shelf subs. I assume that is because AFAIK these are supposed to be in a sealed setup from per manufacture specs. His setup is approximately 2db louder but they sound identical according to the crowd :D
This question might have been asked and answered already in the comment thread but..Would you say in a music listening scenario instead of a db scenario, the sealed gives a better ,tighter, accurate bass response and is worth the loss of 1 plus some change db?? Thanks if you feel like answering! 👍🙏
Since nobody answered I will I absolutely know that the flatter response and better transient response of sealed makes it far superior for me but then again I'm a 46 year old musician that's been a lot of time on a metronome.
Also the earthquake reproduction characteristic of sealed where it literally displaces a section of air in your vehicle that is heaven and a ported does not do this it just fans around a whole bunch of air from the port and sub. It never has that instant earthquake shock type impact to it and I like that.
does the 4" x 14" port mean 4" diameter tube cut to 14" length?
I thought it meant a rectangle cutout 4" high and 14" wide.
I think it needs a larger port than the 4" diameter.
Which is correct?
I understand the loudness... But, how does the SOUND vary between sealed and ported with regular music?!! Does one hit harder than the other?
Awesome Dad.
What about inverted subs? Wgats the difference?
Old school love it
I have a single can f250. Should I get a a 10 inch sub on 1000 watts rms, or 3 6.5”s on 400 watt rms each???
Damn keepin or old school. I love olllld fosgate stuff
Would 30hz be the same? About a 1db difference?
In most instances a given drivers optimal ported volume is much larger than it’s optimal sealed volume. That’s why there’s usually a much larger dB difference between the two enclosure types.
I got a big old school sealed box and it sounds amazing
I have 3ea. RFR2210’s, do you think 3 10’s would be as loud or powerful than 2 15’s?
I plan on running a BD1500 amp with it as well
ZGERMAN enclosure and final ohm load the amp sees would be a factor, i have four rfr2210 myself. They are beastly subs.
Steve Young thank you for the reply, I’m having a local shop building me a Ported Box in a week or two only because I travel for work, I let you know how it will turn out.
Which one sounds better musically?
Did you account for the volume of the external ports when designing the box?
Roughly 100 cubic inches for a cylinder 4x8 or 0.058 cubic feet added to the sealed volume per side so 2.558 cf sealed vs 2.5 cf ported would technically be more accurate. I honestly don't feel that 0.058cf (0.232% difference to be exact) in volume would have altered the outcome enough to mention. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I use to have these babys in 12s old school nice
Is there a difference between being in a car trunk or being an SUV or is it all the same
Baffles and box depth play a roll too
I think it depends on your preference I notice a ported box sounds very good in my Tahoe but in a car it sounds like a lot of rattling but sealed boxes sounds good in my car and Tahoe just not as much bass outside so I feel it depends on the vehicle and enclosed trunk or not and a open space trunk I feel ported sounds better in trucks and seal sound better in cars
I’ve moved my boxes around my trunk just to see if the box is facing your back you get different thump or set up as close to the rear as you can speakers facing the rear.
Man I want the bass I didn't hear I really only felt it then noticed it from the windows of this Tahoe looking like Jello. I want this but I don't want to love all my space and shovel out tons of cash. Is it possible to get that from small and affordable?
Does the bass feel "smoother" when sealed and more "boomy" when ported? Or is that difference also negligible?
notes are slightly more boomy, but depending on how the box is designed a ported enclosure can sound better than a sealed in my opinion. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I miss those old amps so much 😢😢
I got one of those amps a 750w pushing to JL 12's in my wife's mbz. ....
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I still got my autotek and orions amps from 1992
I’ve been lookin all over but I’m trying to see if anybody has ran both sealed and ported boxes at the same time ? .. I’ve done it before in my mustang ... ported 12s in the trunk facing tag .. and the sealed box was right behind it facing the cabin poking out through the back seat! It made my windshield flex ! I was using a 2400 watt mono block Lanzer
Radio will make a big difference as well. You could easily upgrade that jvc radio and gain more juice for your sounds.
She is running a Punch X crossover which gives a decent bump in RCA signal voltage. I run a Rockford PA1 preamp in my jeep and can get above 8v clean signal to my amps. Definitely makes a difference having strong signal and a lower noise floor. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Yup Pioneer FTW!
Nice
Have you tried to keep one plug in to see what kinda change that would make
Excursion wise yes, you can see the difference here - ua-cam.com/video/gMjPjDh4bK4/v-deo.html but not on the meter I think it would drastically lower the score. Thanks for watching and commenting!