The 4 Door Mustang is Coming and Confuses Us All

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  • @ThatDudeinBlue
    @ThatDudeinBlue  2 місяці тому +1352

    Call it the Falcon. plz.

    • @DirtyD07
      @DirtyD07 2 місяці тому +62

      They aren't that smart...

    • @frestkd
      @frestkd 2 місяці тому +39

      Or Futura, Fairmont ... there is no big sedan police cars now...

    • @Dylanschillin
      @Dylanschillin 2 місяці тому +26

      If it's called a mustang, I'm just calling it the falcon ponie

    • @sijonda
      @sijonda 2 місяці тому +15

      No, call it the Fairmont.
      For those who know. It was a car that for it's entire life was built on the fox platform and even had the 302 as an option. You could swap the entire font so it looks like a fox body mustang.
      If Ford wants to make an off-road variant, call it a Durango. Ford had the name first and was also based on the Fox platform.

    • @CJsOutOfRum
      @CJsOutOfRum 2 місяці тому +9

      MUSTANG FALCON
      ROAR

  • @ActuallyDKM
    @ActuallyDKM 2 місяці тому +98

    I work at a ford dealership, we were invited to an event to see the GTD early. We’ve heard nothing about a 4 door mustang. But I think if they do it right and call it something other than just Mustang, it’d be worthwhile. I need them to bring back the Focus RS and ST in North America though. Need it.

    • @super1million11
      @super1million11 2 місяці тому +5

      Problem with the Focus is the influencers need to be black listed from buying them or else the dealers will just mark them up to where nobody can buy them other than that the focus ST is my next car if it comes back.

    • @Jokerex44
      @Jokerex44 Місяць тому +1

      So per the FEds in order for it to have a V8 it has to be a mustang or they get hit with a massive tax. Thats why they have a EV mustang. the charger/challenger killed mopar because no ev. now they have a ev Charger, its just to late. Look up how much money Dodge paid the Feds. Stellantis has been fined $392 million for the 2016 through 2019 model years. With the same vehicle lineup, the automaker is all but guaranteed to face even larger fines for the 2020-2023 model years.To stop the bleeding, Dodge is killing off the current Hemi-powered Challengers and Chargers, with a Charger EV expected to arrive for the 2024 model year (this is also a reason for Jeep switching the Wagoneer from Hemi to Hurricane). Doing away with the Hemi-powered Challengers and Chargers will help the company avoid more massive CAFE fines; and by shifting to a lineup of smaller engines, hybrids, and electric vehicles for the 2024 model year, Dodge might exceed the CAFE MPG requirement. That brings us to the “reward” aspect of the CAFE program.

    • @elitethehawkk1816
      @elitethehawkk1816 Місяць тому +1

      I also work at one, and ford just had a dealer meeting and was told of a 4 door mustang, rally mustang, and a hybrid awd stang.

    • @mibd7812
      @mibd7812 Місяць тому +1

      Exactly they should make seem like they're bring backnthe torino just like dodge do with the charger. If they slop it up it will turn out like the chevy ss which should have been brought back as chevelle

    • @ActuallyDKM
      @ActuallyDKM Місяць тому

      @@elitethehawkk1816 hmmmm

  • @stefano4533
    @stefano4533 2 місяці тому +460

    It's Ironic, the first Mustang was built on the base of a Falcon , and now when the Mustang finally gain its own platform they are building a sedan on it

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 2 місяці тому +22

      All Mustangs before the S550 were based off sedans, mostly luxury sedans.

    • @Meccanico208
      @Meccanico208 2 місяці тому +5

      There's also the Fairmont, same platform as the fox body Mustang.

    • @slimslimee4411
      @slimslimee4411 2 місяці тому +3

      ​​@@Meccanico208 well in the 90's a majority of their cars were based on the FOX platform hence the name foxbody as its built on that specific platform at the time

    • @zanzabar4ky7
      @zanzabar4ky7 2 місяці тому +4

      They need to make a new towncar. Ford or no ford. They need the Lincoln. They kind of need an enforcer too. They just lost so much by not having a RWD sedan.

    • @sategllib2191
      @sategllib2191 2 місяці тому

      ​@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 What luxury sedan is the s197 built from?

  • @twizzltwizzl7962
    @twizzltwizzl7962 2 місяці тому +23

    Yes we are going to have mustang economy car, mustang truck, mustang bronco, mustang scooter, mustang semi, embrace the mustang:)

    • @NA-en7kz
      @NA-en7kz Місяць тому

      And we won't be able to afford any of them and all of them will come with trash transmissions! 🎉Yay

  • @chapystick_
    @chapystick_ 2 місяці тому +680

    After driving a CT5-V blackwing… we need more muscle sedans

    • @scho45
      @scho45 2 місяці тому +17

      Yes...this!

    • @yamahaguy1732
      @yamahaguy1732 2 місяці тому +11

      I daily a 22 ct4 blackwing its a blast! I agree We definitely need more sports/muscle sedans.

    • @yamahaguy1732
      @yamahaguy1732 2 місяці тому +7

      What’s cool is they were testing some kind of car against a blackwing not too terribly long ago.

    • @2009FordCrownVic
      @2009FordCrownVic 2 місяці тому +5

      The Crown Victoria exists in a “sporty” way

    • @LuckyCharms777
      @LuckyCharms777 2 місяці тому +8

      As long as it’s not at the cost of 2+2 coupes.

  • @Skulclaimr
    @Skulclaimr 2 місяці тому +20

    Congrats, We've gone full circle and made another Taurus SHO

    • @csx4402
      @csx4402 Місяць тому +1

      Which they should of kept in the lineup. I love the sleeper fusion sport awd.

  • @Queso305
    @Queso305 2 місяці тому +525

    It actually makes sense because the market is missing a V8 sedan now. No more chargers. More market share for Ford. People will warm up to it for sure, especially if they make it fun.

    • @billypurdy8581
      @billypurdy8581 2 місяці тому +15

      That's because Americans who are actually purchasing new cars don't want v8 sedans really. If anything, this is ford realizing what they missed out on with the charger scat packs and hellcat demographic and doing something about it too little too late while again denegrating an icon.

    • @floridaman7
      @floridaman7 2 місяці тому +47

      It will be a cop car

    • @grantbowers2319
      @grantbowers2319 2 місяці тому +9

      If they make it I’ll buy it for sure. My 2018 is getting up their in miles from daily driving (250k)

    • @TimexG
      @TimexG 2 місяці тому +10

      Because Germans are king of v8 sedans. No American car with 4 doors would compete in almost any category..

    • @grantbowers2319
      @grantbowers2319 2 місяці тому +24

      @@TimexG try talking when your country is done paying reparations buddy.

  • @Crazy_Alex_7667
    @Crazy_Alex_7667 2 місяці тому +20

    0:10 I still say they should have called the ev :Mach e. Take out the mustang part. They only had that part cause of the lights and for attention

    • @brockklein2904
      @brockklein2904 2 місяці тому +2

      I think if they called it a galaxie it would have been way better being back and old name. And it s a futuristic name to match electric cars. But hey let’s call everything a mustang

    • @Maddog1911
      @Maddog1911 2 місяці тому

      Return of the crown Vic!

    • @80N170
      @80N170 Місяць тому

      They marketed a cute sporty EV to women. It worked 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @HAFBeast91
      @HAFBeast91 Місяць тому

      I wouldn't have been upset for the Mustang tail lights to be on the Mach E if it wasn't called mustang.
      Just don't name something Mustang that is a Ford Escape EV crossover.

  • @MoShugah
    @MoShugah 2 місяці тому +200

    4 door 5L manual transmission "Falcon"?
    Sign me up!

    • @GTSW1FT
      @GTSW1FT 2 місяці тому +8

      Man imagine if they brought back the 4 liter straight six BARA.

    • @priceless409
      @priceless409 2 місяці тому

      I’ll buy one too…

    • @stanleyds88
      @stanleyds88 2 місяці тому

      Me too

    • @pootmahgoots8482
      @pootmahgoots8482 2 місяці тому +1

      Highly doubt there's going to be a manual version.

    • @musicmonster1992
      @musicmonster1992 2 місяці тому

      Man I would love that 🤘🏻

  • @craigparamore4619
    @craigparamore4619 2 місяці тому +8

    There needs to be RWD four doors, THAT ARE NOT ONLY FROM LUXURY BRANDS, keeping them more affordable, but please don't call it a Mustang. But even if they do it will be good.

    • @kiefydoinks
      @kiefydoinks 2 місяці тому

      Uh dodge charger?

    • @craigparamore4619
      @craigparamore4619 2 місяці тому +1

      Forgot about the Charger, I guess it was all the Hemi going away stuff.

  • @carsonbrite1310
    @carsonbrite1310 2 місяці тому +124

    If Ford actually builds a 4 door Mustang with the 5.0, it’s over for Dodge. Coming from somebody that used to have a Charger R/T, the only reason I didn’t get a Mustang was because I couldn’t justify a coupe as my only car. It was pretty much Dodge or bust for a muscle sedan. Had a Mustang sedan been around 5-6 years ago, I probably would’ve never driven a Dodge.

    • @stevef3521
      @stevef3521 2 місяці тому +7

      2017-2019 Ford Fusion TTV6 AWD. Slap an E-30 tune and you’ve got a total sleeper.

    • @americansmark
      @americansmark 2 місяці тому +1

      Same. I'd trade my Jeep in for a Mustang sedan.

    • @FordEnthusiast413
      @FordEnthusiast413 2 місяці тому +4

      Hasn’t Ford desecrated the Mustang name enough by creating the Mach-E, four door SUV?? Call it a Falcon or a maybe a Taurus. I also doubt it will have a V8 in it. Probably will be another EV..

    • @americansmark
      @americansmark 2 місяці тому +6

      @@FordEnthusiast413 no more than any other brand. I seem to remember people killing a great GM car cuz it was called a GTO. Its time we stop gatekeeping names.

    • @sategllib2191
      @sategllib2191 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@FordEnthusiast413That's why this doesn't bother me too much. They already made that ev turd

  • @erikdunbar4451
    @erikdunbar4451 2 місяці тому +4

    I feel like the off road Mustang needs to be called the Mustang Mad Max and make it something out of those movies.

  • @Blaze0539
    @Blaze0539 2 місяці тому +116

    If done properly, they will sell millions....to Police Departments mostly at first.
    Think about it. Most departments still miss the ol' Crown Vic. And for a while now the only Bowtie Car has been a Tahoe 9C1, that makes the Explorer look like a something that you built solely to beat everyone in Junkyard Wars (Remember that show?).
    Explorer no go, it no stop, it no handle, it has less room than the ol' Crown Vic despite being bigger, most cops seem to outright hate the Explorer at the very least dislike it.
    The Caprice 9C1s of the early 2010s were always are borrowed time do to them having Holden Parts Numbers (A GM Hood Classic here) making getting parts a absolute pain and causing Angry Confusion for Auto Zone Regional Managers everywhere as to what a Holden is. On top of that the ones at my Local PDs are currently in "Parts Car" mode for 75-80% of the ones that are left, making sure that last 20-25% keep running and that's only gonna last a 2 or 3 more years at best
    However MOPAR or NOCAR has offended the EPA's Holy Book of CAFE Standards and as such it's now NOCAR. The Charger that has been the main Sedan of Policing is out to pasture and quite frankly the way the Hurricane I6 in the "new" Charger is setup up suggests it will be a maintenance hog. One that first appeared in the Tahoe with a Jeep Grill they call the "Grand Wagoneer (You disgrace the good name of AMC!)" however there is one major thing that die hard Jeep fans will know as a massive red flag, just do to the wind based name and being a I6. The Tornado I6 that was in the Jeep M175 was an infamous Maintenance Hog, and it's looking like Hurricane is going to be just as bad if not worse and so far it seems a lot of departments are keeping the new Charger at arms length.
    Ford, Making a Mustang "Falcon" Interceptor Sedan (as I shall call it), if done right, would be a next level power move on Ford's part as it would completely suck up all the departments that used the Charger Pursuit as their main patrol car. ASP and GSP alone would buy more than they could even produce.
    Rumor mill aside, even from a basic business stand point now is the time for a 4-door Mustang purely because their is a open gap in the Market for such a "High Performance" American 4-Door Sedan and you'd be stupid to not take the money and run as far as you can with it.

    • @MrRandomReviews
      @MrRandomReviews 2 місяці тому +19

      perfectly said. the sales in PDs alone would make it worth while

    • @trevorshark16
      @trevorshark16 2 місяці тому +5

      My local sheriff department used Impalas for a while.

    • @evictioncarpentry2628
      @evictioncarpentry2628 2 місяці тому +9

      My friend said their PD loves the AWD Taurus.

    • @kendalson7100
      @kendalson7100 2 місяці тому +2

      Truth. The Europeans are making lots of money with high performance 4 doors, it seems crazy not to get in on it. It would work if they made them fun and sporty, like the M3s.

    • @Clockwork0nions
      @Clockwork0nions 2 місяці тому +3

      I dunno who you’re talking to but I don’t know a single cop who has the explorer that dislikes it.

  • @georgecupac1202
    @georgecupac1202 Місяць тому +2

    I've already got a 4 door Mustang, it's called a Falcon, Australia.

  • @GamingProspector84
    @GamingProspector84 2 місяці тому +114

    They really did fuckup with the ‘Mustang Mach-E’ and not calling it the “Galax-E”.
    Also, they already had a 4 door Mustang, the Ford Falcon they axed in 2016.

    • @ihatehandles3
      @ihatehandles3 2 місяці тому

      the mach e is the only reason ford can still make your so beloved ice mustang, so some respect.

    • @PROFESSOR_TV
      @PROFESSOR_TV 2 місяці тому +5

      should've called it the Ford Mach-E suv

    • @PurePerspicacity
      @PurePerspicacity 2 місяці тому +1

      Genius

    • @ssbbsonic1
      @ssbbsonic1 2 місяці тому +1

      this could actually work bc there was a Ford called the Galaxie before, it even came in a 4 door

    • @5lcalais1
      @5lcalais1 2 місяці тому +1

      I still have my 09 falcon xr6 turbo, manual with 500whp and 775nms, it's a lot of fun 👌
      They should offer a barra6 option lol
      I would absolutely buy a s650 sedan if it was available, 2 doors cool too but not as practical in the day to day.

  • @jamessizemore7103
    @jamessizemore7103 2 місяці тому +4

    Ford: " we're getting rid of a sedans no one uses them"
    Also Ford: "Lets put the mustang badge on more stuff that isn't a mustang, and this one can be a sedan!"

  • @MaddNomad1015
    @MaddNomad1015 2 місяці тому +94

    Ford is literally losing their mind. Just bring back the Falcon. Let the Mustang be the iconic 2 door and the Falcon be the performance sedan killer.
    Even Porsche knows better than to name their sedan the 911 Panamera, they gave it its own name.

    • @GTSW1FT
      @GTSW1FT 2 місяці тому

      Heck let it fight the mercs and audis.

    • @TheAnnoyingBoss
      @TheAnnoyingBoss 2 місяці тому

      Falcon isnt cool. Bald eagles baby usa

    • @raymondmckay6990
      @raymondmckay6990 2 місяці тому +1

      @@TheAnnoyingBoss the bald eagle is just a overgrown Seagull and one of the smallest and wimpiest egal's in the world only hunts fish a Falcon tippical hunts other birds by diving into their necks at over 200mph killing them.

    • @IcelanderUSer
      @IcelanderUSer 2 місяці тому

      Not to mention the panamara is front engined.

  • @TexasPlinking
    @TexasPlinking Місяць тому +1

    Kindly requesting a street-legal “Dakar” Mustang. 🙏 Like a Mustang Raptor of sorts! I love my mustangs, and I also love off roading in my Raptor R. I just really want to hoon around off-road in a coupe with less weight & size than a truck sometimes. It would be the ultimate recreational daily! 🙌

  • @SGCYungSketti
    @SGCYungSketti 2 місяці тому +59

    Now that charger and Challenger are dead, the Mustang is the only V8 coupe, meaning a lot of us Mopar guys are looking at these dark horses and stuff as my RT ages. The 4 door mustang would fill the charger market, and refill the market they left with the Crown Vic / Panther Platform

    • @trevorshark16
      @trevorshark16 2 місяці тому

      Look for a fire sale Challenger or Charger that a dealer wants to get rid of, you'll probably get a better price than a brand new MGT.

    • @fortheloveofnoise
      @fortheloveofnoise 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@trevorshark16no good deal on the V8s

  • @mikegualjr
    @mikegualjr 2 місяці тому +1

    Also agree with Falcon name. Was basically a V8 Fusion but was so damn awesome.

  • @LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS
    @LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS 2 місяці тому +140

    I'm pretty sure the only reason this is being made is so the police have something to replace the outgoing charger.
    Granted, they could just use the Explorer, but it's not as cool, lol
    Edit: Funny enough, I found out my county just bought 9 mustangs for police use, something about building community relationships.

    • @braaap6292
      @braaap6292 2 місяці тому +23

      City/town cops are fine with exploders, but highway patrols always had v8 sedans. After the charger goes away, what do they use? They need fast 4 door American cars.

    • @DalekPratt1963
      @DalekPratt1963 2 місяці тому +10

      @@braaap6292 Especially for those high speed chases were the Explorer wouldn't cut it...
      With a 4-door muscle car, they can keep up with the suspect easily in lots of cases!

    • @anthonymolina7416
      @anthonymolina7416 2 місяці тому +2

      @@DalekPratt1963the explore st is pretty fast but yeah department will definitely want this for door mustang

    • @somebutter6755
      @somebutter6755 2 місяці тому +9

      From what I’ve heard cops don’t really like the explorers a lot because of how laggy the turbos can be on the eco boost ones.

    • @garythecyclingnerd6219
      @garythecyclingnerd6219 2 місяці тому +2

      *community arrests.

  • @jimmonsbeatz
    @jimmonsbeatz 2 місяці тому +1

    I’m honestly surprised that ford hasn’t brought the falcon over here to the US

  • @larryhouse3776
    @larryhouse3776 2 місяці тому +29

    Remember when Ford released the Taurus SHO in the 2010s and it would straight up WALK away from a Mustang GT in a 0 to 60. Lol. Those were good times.
    Ford can do their thing, i just want the new corvette engine in a Malibu.

  • @VOLCE187
    @VOLCE187 2 місяці тому +1

    This Will Be Loved Here In Australia, 4 Door sedan that you can take the car to the track and take your family and friends in anywhere.

  • @KarShadow564
    @KarShadow564 2 місяці тому +66

    Sooo it's a crown vic, basically

    • @stephenmoore1541
      @stephenmoore1541 2 місяці тому +2

      Same engine, different platform.

    • @dominicklipari
      @dominicklipari 2 місяці тому +11

      I hope they do something like that instead of calling it mustang

    • @MrGamman3yt
      @MrGamman3yt 2 місяці тому +3

      Or the ltd feom the 80s, remember those?

    • @angelgjr1999
      @angelgjr1999 2 місяці тому +13

      Bring back the 4.6 Vic 😂

    • @stephenmoore1541
      @stephenmoore1541 2 місяці тому +5

      @angelgjr1999 the crown vic had a 5.0 before it had a 4.6. They currently make a very different 5.0. The 4.6 is great, I've had an old 5.0 and a 4.6, but what I haven't had is a coyote. That's what I want

  • @yeahnahyeahnah2007
    @yeahnahyeahnah2007 2 місяці тому +1

    As someone who owns 3 falcons and owned many I’d love to have the falcon back, pick up where the fgx left off with the coyote again and I’d assume the Barra couldn’t be brought back so some eco boost motor, 4 door rwd and reasonably priced, I would buy one

  • @MetalPhreakAU
    @MetalPhreakAU 2 місяці тому +14

    The last falcon (FGX series) Xr8 was coyote 5.0 with an Eaton 1.9L (?) supercharger on it. Unfortunately Ford engineers got held back a bit I think. It made less power than the mustang despite the blower because they gave it a low boost pulley and a sedate tune. Huge tuning potential as it basically had an intercooler core built into the design but wasn't plumbed (it was an 'air diffuser plate'). Plenty of shops put end tanks on em turning it into a water to air cooler, smaller pulley, injector and a tune, making 4-500kw to the tyres. I don't think the falcon platform was built to handle that kind of power as it essentially a common man's taxi normally. I had one for a few years and it ate through diff bushes stock. It had potential but I moved on to a 10sp Mustang and enjoy it more. If you need four doors it was killer though. I think a 4-door mustang based model would sell well, but it needs to be "inspired" not just a coupe with a set of doors added. Also I agree Falcon would be a sick name for it.

  • @clarencehall9317
    @clarencehall9317 2 місяці тому +3

    As a Ford Employee assembly worker I Would definitely buy a 4 door mustang V8 manual RWD. Past due, would be an excellent addition as an option for people with families. Everyone knows how big the charger got. Why not convert Mopar families that feel abandoned by Dodge. Smart to fill the gap.

    • @MaddNomad1015
      @MaddNomad1015 2 місяці тому

      Mustang was never meant for families. Before it originally launched the team knew it wasn’t for families, brought in families to see if it could be a good second car.

    • @ljmorris6496
      @ljmorris6496 2 місяці тому

      ​@MaddNomad1015 it wasn't meant for "men" either in '64, it didn't even get a big-block till '68. Most Mustangs sold are 4/6 cylinder, get over the manhood obsession with the Mustang, at least it didn't turn fwd almost like it did in '89...

  • @itsdeeperthancars2173
    @itsdeeperthancars2173 2 місяці тому +38

    Bring back the Taurus SHO and drop the V8 in it.

    • @GTSW1FT
      @GTSW1FT 2 місяці тому +4

      So the last of the falcons

    • @RickNethery
      @RickNethery 2 місяці тому +1

      Better yet, make it rear wheel drive and offer the 2.7 V6 ecoboost as the base engine and the 5.0 as the GT engine.

    • @YouTubehndl
      @YouTubehndl 2 місяці тому

      @@RickNethery they had that back in 2016 and it didn’t sell well. They just didn’t have the 5.0 option

    • @RickNethery
      @RickNethery 2 місяці тому

      @UA-camhndl It was front wheel drive. That sucks big time.

    • @YouTubehndl
      @YouTubehndl 2 місяці тому +1

      @@RickNethery it was AWD actually

  • @pontiacmaniac7772
    @pontiacmaniac7772 2 місяці тому +1

    They need to offer the 4 door with the Barra and the Coyote. I really like performance sedans. G8’s, SS’s, CTS-V’s, etc are some of my favorite cars.

  • @Ottobon
    @Ottobon 2 місяці тому +31

    The Charger proved it was something people would buy and the Charger (that everyone loves, the V8, at least) is going away so why not?

    • @MaddNomad1015
      @MaddNomad1015 2 місяці тому +1

      Because the Charger already has a history of being bastardized and killed off. Mustang is has a bigger legacy than the Charger at this point

    • @Ottobon
      @Ottobon 2 місяці тому +4

      @@MaddNomad1015 uhh hello the Pintostang II, the Mach E

    • @MaddNomad1015
      @MaddNomad1015 2 місяці тому +2

      @@Ottobon The Mustang II was still a 2 door coupe, and even Jim Farley backtracked on the Mach e being a Mustang. lol

    • @Ottobon
      @Ottobon 2 місяці тому +2

      @@MaddNomad1015 not saying they shouldn't name it a Falcon or a Crown Vic or whatever, but they should make it.

  • @brasilianloser
    @brasilianloser 2 місяці тому +1

    Toyota passion... yeah passion to void your warranty the moment you drive 85mph on the interstate lol

  • @TR.Pixels
    @TR.Pixels 2 місяці тому +56

    Ford feeling the regrets of not having Aussie Sedans lol It won't be too long you guys get four door Camaros.

    • @spencer963
      @spencer963 2 місяці тому +1

      The point of no return happens when they make a 4 door corvette

    • @ThomasAnonymous-gd8bz
      @ThomasAnonymous-gd8bz 2 місяці тому +6

      They already tried a 4door Camaro - the Chevy SS V8 sedan. It failed because they didn't advertise it, it was to expensive, PDs didn't buy it, and the Charger was better at the time.

    • @fortheloveofnoise
      @fortheloveofnoise 2 місяці тому +6

      I want a Mustang UTE! 2 door, 6 foot bed, V8, RWD, manual transmission.

    • @StellarGale
      @StellarGale 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@ThomasAnonymous-gd8bz It was built in Australia and honestly whole point of it was to probe Holden has no future. They also made Pontiac G8 before it on previous gen commodore. If it was built in USA, properly advertised, had more budget trims and was called something like Chevelle it would probably be a major hit.

    • @johnmcmullen456
      @johnmcmullen456 2 місяці тому +3

      A 4 door Camaro is just as disgusting as a 4 door Mustang. Just choose another name plate.

  • @Nah-e1e
    @Nah-e1e 2 місяці тому

    first time i’ve seen one of your videos just pop up in my recommended in ages! the algorithm is being friendly today!

  • @michaelb5330
    @michaelb5330 2 місяці тому +13

    A 4 door mustang
    That would be a falcon like we had in Australia for years !!

  • @bofa83
    @bofa83 12 годин тому

    that celica concept is cool as hell.

  • @MrRandomReviews
    @MrRandomReviews 2 місяці тому +20

    a return of the Crown Vic?🤔 maybe?...perhaps...

    • @obamakickflip3231
      @obamakickflip3231 2 місяці тому +1

      Yoooo mr random

    • @silverrain99205
      @silverrain99205 2 місяці тому +2

      What’s up Mr. Random??

    • @FrankTimms-cs5hl
      @FrankTimms-cs5hl 2 місяці тому

      I assume we are going to see a video from you soon about your take on the “return of the Crown Victoria”?

  • @patrykrusin2501
    @patrykrusin2501 Місяць тому +1

    The name falcon would be 🔥🔥🔥

  • @spillmaster1298
    @spillmaster1298 2 місяці тому +11

    Man this reminds me how we were so spoiled with car choices in 2018

  • @subieasunayuuki
    @subieasunayuuki Місяць тому +1

    They should not call it a Mustang sedan. It should have a diffent name such as Falcon perhaps or something else that sounds sporty or cool

  • @McBeamer94
    @McBeamer94 2 місяці тому +24

    Now that I think about it, Ford has made a 4-door Mustang before, based on the Fox platform and called the LTD! So yeah, I'm all for Ford making a 4-door Mustang! The Charger doesn't offer the Hemis anymore, so Ford's gonna have the V8 Sedan market all to itself! Great news!

    • @strawberrymilk9767
      @strawberrymilk9767 2 місяці тому +2

      This also means Chevy should bring back the Camaro and make a 4 door version of the Camaro, call the 4 door Camaro somethin like the Chevelle or Lumina

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 2 місяці тому +3

      @@McBeamer94 More like they made a 2 door LTD called a Mustang. Right after they made a 2 door Pinto called the Mustang, which was after they made a 2 door Fairlane called a Mustang.
      The S550 was the first time the Mustang wasn't the coupe version of an older sedan.

    • @ItsDaJax
      @ItsDaJax 2 місяці тому +3

      The first two Fox platform cars were the Fairmont and Futura in 78.

    • @ItsDaJax
      @ItsDaJax 2 місяці тому +2

      ​​@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 There is no mustang based off the fairlane, which was replaced by the LTD in the 70s. The 71-3 Mustangs are still 1st gen and based on the Falcon with the Comet/Maverick.

    • @MaddNomad1015
      @MaddNomad1015 Місяць тому

      @@strawberrymilk9767 if they took the CT4/CT5 made it a Chevrolet Chevelle with a NA LT motor, the Ford Mustang Mach 4 would die off pretty quickly. People like having certain identities with their cars.
      Would be similar to when Chevy named their Commodore just the “SS” (basic names lead to less marketing since they feel like the name alone should be enough) and the Charger still trucked on.

  • @lumus1
    @lumus1 2 місяці тому +1

    Ford, please! No more imposters posing as Mustangs. You had a great thing with the Crown Victoria. Bring that back, and just to rub in for Dodge and GM, have Shelby do a performance version of that. You will probably have police forces buying up the Shelbys in fleet numbers.

  • @keaganfoust4028
    @keaganfoust4028 2 місяці тому +8

    Falcon would be a great name, but its also a good opportunity to bring back the Crown Victoria line up. They could use the ST trim as a police unit just like they do with the Explorer.

    • @MaddNomad1015
      @MaddNomad1015 2 місяці тому

      The last “4 door Mustang” was in fact a Falcon though. So I mean Falcon fits if they want it to relate back to the Mustang

  • @danielratchford5648
    @danielratchford5648 Місяць тому

    Kinda had a 4dr mustang in the 80s
    The LTD was fox platform based and the front end of a mustang would bolt on. I seen one done like this along with a wagon years ago

  • @mthobisisibiya6902
    @mthobisisibiya6902 2 місяці тому +21

    I hope it's called the Crown Victoria

    • @elihernandez330
      @elihernandez330 2 місяці тому +3

      I just don't think it's going to work with the styling. it's going to look too sharp for it. I do think the Galaxie name could work. Rolls of the tongue and sounds futuristic.

    • @ljmorris6496
      @ljmorris6496 2 місяці тому +1

      Want no grandma name on a performance sedan....

  • @isiahsiyam3209
    @isiahsiyam3209 2 місяці тому +107

    I’m a salesman at Ford in CA, I can confirm the 4 door Mustang is coming !

  • @wolfeman79
    @wolfeman79 2 місяці тому

    All for it bring it on, that's literally the only thing keeping me from buying a Mustang a 2 door doesn't fit my needs. But a 4 door Mustang with the 5.0 will be perfect, and im all for it

  • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
    @rightwingsafetysquad9872 2 місяці тому +19

    The S550 was the first Mustang that wasn't based on a luxury sedan. Perhaps it's fitting that there will be a sedan based on the Mustang. Would be better to call it a Lincoln Thunderbird if there's a convertible version though.

    • @istvanlorinczi2817
      @istvanlorinczi2817 2 місяці тому

      Very hopeful thinking, considering Ford put the Mustang name on an electric crossover, and the Carpi name on an electric SUV

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 2 місяці тому +2

      @@istvanlorinczi2817 I don't think Ford is dumb enough to do that with the Mustang name again. After the hate they got with the Mach E, despite most people thinking it was a good car. And how GM got 0 hate for making 4-door Camaros because they called it something different.

    • @istvanlorinczi2817
      @istvanlorinczi2817 2 місяці тому

      @@rightwingsafetysquad9872 I mean, the Chevy SS was just a Holden Commodore with different styling, a car they made for many decades
      Ford clearly hasn't learned anything since they did the same thing with the Capri not long ago

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 2 місяці тому +1

      @@istvanlorinczi2817 Nobody cares about the Capri name. Just like no one cared about the Maverick name.

    • @slimslimee4411
      @slimslimee4411 2 місяці тому

      ​@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 well they're quite big in europe so you have no say. And besides, if they sold the new capri as it originally was, A 2 DOOR ENTRY LEVEL SPORTS CAR with reasonable pricing those things would sell like hotcakes considering the current market for an entry level sports car. Now imagine if they introduced that capri to the us market????

  • @georgehgordy1690
    @georgehgordy1690 Місяць тому

    At 6:05 Only mods to the Electric Charger. I had my external speakers changed out to 12 inch MTX Subwoofers pushed by a rockford, fosgate amplifier. Listen to that deep throaty bass when I press the accelerator. It only subtracted 40 miles from my range limit.. L oL

  • @jeast417
    @jeast417 2 місяці тому +9

    It would be cool to see more of a 1960 falcon front end than the modern mustang front

  • @PurePerspicacity
    @PurePerspicacity 2 місяці тому

    My best Slingblade voice "I know whats wrong with it. It's got two too many doors"

  • @scho45
    @scho45 2 місяці тому +7

    If they make it affordable in manual and auto it will sell like crazy!!!!

  • @Typical_Garage
    @Typical_Garage 2 місяці тому +2

    V8 sedan with a 6 speed manual would be such an amazing car.

    • @Typical_Garage
      @Typical_Garage 2 місяці тому

      Plus I could see the off-road version being something along the lines of the Huracan Sterrato and 911 Dakar… V8 awd mustang? 🤔

  • @uptownsamcv
    @uptownsamcv 2 місяці тому +20

    they should just bring back the crown Vic instead of making a Mustang sedan

    • @MaddNomad1015
      @MaddNomad1015 2 місяці тому +2

      Forget the Crown Vic that thing was boring. Don’t bring up the rwd and v8 either they were boring looking and have no big pull like other names they can use

    • @uptownsamcv
      @uptownsamcv 2 місяці тому +6

      @@MaddNomad1015 the Crown Vic was probably the most popular Ford RWD sedan. or they could bring back the Thunderbird as a sedan same as Dodge did with the Charger...

    • @69tjkilla
      @69tjkilla 2 місяці тому +1

      Not the cop car 😂😂😂

    • @uptownsamcv
      @uptownsamcv 2 місяці тому +3

      @@69tjkilla they gotta bring back a known Ford rwd car name like LTD, Granada, Thunderbird, or Maverick...

    • @69tjkilla
      @69tjkilla 2 місяці тому +1

      @@uptownsamcvfacts bro💯

  • @15DEAN1995
    @15DEAN1995 2 місяці тому

    i actually had a conversation about this the other day, i was talking about the vauxhall monaro and vxr8 (theyre redbadged holdens also know as opel in europe). i said id love a 4 or 5 seat v8 car thats undder £20,000, reasonable size and relatively modern. the vauxhall vxr 8 and monaro are perfect but the monaros are now minimum 15 years old and the last vxr8 was near a decade ago. theyre also insanely rare, i cant imagine trying to buy bodywork components for a monaro or vxr8 because holden doesnt exist anymore.
    the germans came up in that conversation but theyre either too big or have reliability concerns, like the m156 headbolt issues or the f10 m5s hot v set up having turbo issues. the mustang inevitably came up in that conversation and seemed like an obvious pick as they are coming closer to the 20k price limit each year but unlike the old monaro or vxr8 an average adult doesnt really fit in the back of a mustang. a four door mustang is a gap in fords line up theyve had for a long time and would be a future must buy for me, bring back the falcon.

  • @TheDrMayonnaise
    @TheDrMayonnaise 2 місяці тому +30

    485hp 5.0 4 doors I would trade my scat pack in day one providing the price isn't stupid over priced

    • @alexd3843
      @alexd3843 2 місяці тому

      You know it will be stupidly overpriced. Prices never come down

    • @2fast2try
      @2fast2try 2 місяці тому +1

      It would be slower than the scatpack

    • @anthonymolina7416
      @anthonymolina7416 2 місяці тому +1

      If they offer 4wd game over

    • @slimslimee4411
      @slimslimee4411 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@2fast2try quit trying to glaze that weaksauce 5.7

    • @spencer963
      @spencer963 2 місяці тому

      lol, it will be.

  • @Sladdery
    @Sladdery 2 місяці тому +2

    Fusion Sport was the closest Ford ever got to a 4 door Mustang. More or less had performance numbers that kept up with the Ecoboost Mustang and had Mustang suspension parts on it.
    Australians would love to help out with this btw lolol.

    • @ford4x4
      @ford4x4 2 місяці тому +2

      Hopefully the bosses at Detroit give the team at Geelong a call

    • @samlung2724
      @samlung2724 Місяць тому +1

      The Taurus SHO

    • @ford4x4
      @ford4x4 Місяць тому

      @@samlung2724 The best sleeper! People will be scared to race one thinking it is a cop

    • @MaddNomad1015
      @MaddNomad1015 Місяць тому

      Nope closest they got was a Ford Falcon in Australia. Fusion was never a performance car

  • @masonsmtb
    @masonsmtb 2 місяці тому +8

    a 4 door mustang sounds pretty good, but i definitely should be called the falcon.

  • @gregthesplintercell
    @gregthesplintercell 2 місяці тому +1

    It's about time. More people might actually buy it. Especially if they keep the naturally aspirated V8 engine.

  • @UrW0rstNighmare
    @UrW0rstNighmare 2 місяці тому +5

    For a dad of two, the lack of sport sedans is tough!! M3 is the top of the list in my opinion but at the end of the day it is just too much money. If Ford could build a good looking sports sedan that has a v8 or the TT v6, some nice creature comforts, space for car seats and truck space, throw in a lift back. Maintaining space for the front passenger, while keeping it near the 50 to 55K mark… they’d have a winner in my book.

  • @pcihector
    @pcihector 2 місяці тому

    First time I see that article. Also didn't know previously about the Australian Falcon.. I have always go for calling it Falcon. Is historically correct.

  • @roybarnett275
    @roybarnett275 2 місяці тому +14

    I already "ranted" earlier today in the Stangmode comment section, so I will try to make this briefer.....a "car company" with no cars is a vehicle company. Ford, my favorite company, made a stupid move in my opinion, as a 70 year old as of next Tuesday life long car enthusiast. Mustang is becoming its own "brand", so let it! If you want it to have a different name, they have plenty sitting on the bench. Alan Mullally said, "One Ford".....soon as he left, they went right back to doing what didn't work before, we lose the Fiesta, Focus, the Fusion continued overseas as the Mondeo, and test driving Ford vehicles here in Metro Detroit at the end of 2021, the facility I was at had this beautiful white 4 door, that everyone thought was a BMW or Audi, and people were lining up to see it, and everybody said too bad Ford can't build cars like that, because we would all drop deposits for one of those right now! I LMAO, and told them Ford did build it, it's a Mondeo, or as you know it, the Fusion! 😅 You could hear a pin drop! I told the gathering crowd, if they would let me drive the car back and forth down Michigan Avenue in front of Ford Headquarters, they couldn't build them fast enough to handle all the orders. People who have been to Europe and seen the car, wanted to bring one back home to the states! Problem? Ford, and lazy Americans who won't drive manuals, and this ingrained thing in Ford management that says Americans don't want sedans. Obviously, nobody told Cadillac, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, Kia, Hyundai......need I go on?! If you build a sedan, and make minor changes every 5 to 10 years, of course nobody will want one, if you build a Taurus in 2010, and by 2018 you almost cannot see a difference, but you paid a premium price, you won't pay for a new one! Why would you?! Call it a Taurus, LTD, Galaxie, Torino, Fusion, Crown Victoria(now THERE'S a winner....😊), but build the damn thing, with an Ecoboost 3.7 litre Cyclone(you've already had experience with a couple of those, David, so you know... ), and a V-8 Coyote as an option, bring the Fiesta & Focus back so I don't have to buy a Civic or Kona, or Elantra(all cars I like, BTW), and I will end this rant with a old saying the Ford community, and Ford management needs to embrace once again.... "Have you DRIVEN a Ford LATELY?!" 😮PEACE!!

    • @super1million11
      @super1million11 2 місяці тому +1

      This is what I’m thinking. Other countries have exactly the cars I want and fit my needs to a T but ford and other companies won’t bring them to the states. And I can’t just private import cause Mercedes Benz might lose a sale.

  • @DiscordTotallynot
    @DiscordTotallynot Місяць тому +1

    4 door mustang= Falcon
    4 door mustang wagon= Fairlane, or maybe Galaxy I don't know

  • @_WyreTheWolf
    @_WyreTheWolf 2 місяці тому +8

    Bring back the Galaxie and Galaxie 500 name plate.

    • @seana806
      @seana806 2 місяці тому

      Should bring back the ‘66 Ford Galaxie 500.

    • @CaseyMorris-du7qv
      @CaseyMorris-du7qv Місяць тому

      There was a Ford 500 when Ford had everything start with an F. But the old farts wanted it still be called the Taurus in the 11th hour.😂

  • @wyattduncan136
    @wyattduncan136 2 місяці тому

    First video I’ve seen of yours and I already love your channel. You say everything in a way that everyone can understand definitely a like and a sub!

  • @timephire
    @timephire 2 місяці тому +5

    "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man!?"

  • @MH-kc1eu
    @MH-kc1eu 2 місяці тому +1

    Man I love the 4 door Chargers. Nothing wrong with sedans if they look good.

  • @josephdonaldson7790
    @josephdonaldson7790 2 місяці тому +4

    For those family men who still want a muscle car I pray ford does this idc if it’s called a mustang or falcon

  • @georgehgordy1690
    @georgehgordy1690 Місяць тому +1

    When jalotnik did an article about the mustang mach e coming out i commented name it anything but a Mustang. And I caught so much hell for that. I mean, I was basically being threatened.
    And now nobody's buying the f****** thing. Guys on there saying you should have your a** kickedYou're not a mustang guy and i'm like well, if you wanna be the first in line to give it a try, and I own a mustang cobra, and all those f****** that were saying that either bought one and got rid of it or won't buy 1 at all. It's not an ugly SUV. it is an ugly Mustang.

  • @rturpening
    @rturpening 2 місяці тому +8

    A 4 door mustang sedan with the 5.0 and a manual stylized with sort of a Kia Stinger vibe would be so. freaking. sick.

  • @danfernz3237
    @danfernz3237 2 місяці тому

    They Brought the Crown Vic Back baby Panther Time!!!😊

  • @timephire
    @timephire 2 місяці тому +6

    A 4 door Mustang is called a Crown Vic, that's why all of this is really dumb and has been so every since they killed off all the cars besides the Mustang.

  • @CullWill
    @CullWill 2 місяці тому +1

    Tbh if I could afford it I would totally cop. Imagine having a Mustang but still having room for 4 homies instead of 1

  • @THEDOPEGAME
    @THEDOPEGAME 2 місяці тому +4

    Much like Jordan and Ram, The Mustang brand is literally its own brand now.
    If you check out a Mach-E it literally has ZERO Ford badging

    • @MaddNomad1015
      @MaddNomad1015 2 місяці тому +2

      So a Mustang is just a car with a running horse on it?

    • @JCee1992
      @JCee1992 2 місяці тому +1

      @@MaddNomad1015Bingo

    • @JCee1992
      @JCee1992 2 місяці тому +2

      👀 😮Great point I never thought about it but no modern Mustang carries the Ford badge anymore!!

    • @MaddNomad1015
      @MaddNomad1015 2 місяці тому +1

      @@JCee1992makes no sense then putting the pony on it is useless 😂

    • @ford4x4
      @ford4x4 2 місяці тому +1

      The only places where you will find a Ford oval on Mach E are:
      Owners manual
      Decal in door frame (contains vehicle info and vin)
      Centre screen when it starts

  • @Fairlane67
    @Fairlane67 2 місяці тому +1

    Bring back the Fairlane Wagon

  • @pheonixfps9248
    @pheonixfps9248 2 місяці тому +4

    The FG XR8 Falcon and onwards actually ran an engine called the Miami. It was derived from the Coyote, but a different platform, like that of the Voodoo and the Predator. It was Supercharged from factory by Prodrive with a 1.9 TVS. Only had a handful of issue's but the GT500 Predator was built from it.
    And dude ..... Celicka? No, it's Ce Li Ca, not Cel Icka. Come on.

  • @thebigokie6.4_392
    @thebigokie6.4_392 21 день тому

    I've been waiting for this!!!

  • @gaivoron
    @gaivoron 2 місяці тому +4

    Ford is like " let's retire mustang name with a bang"

    • @michaelb5330
      @michaelb5330 2 місяці тому

      Yeah
      By calling every other model a mustang

  • @josevazquez3317
    @josevazquez3317 2 місяці тому +1

    I'd call it the Falcon to take in all that global name recognition as well as the nostalgia factor. Then make an AWD version thats powered by the turbo V6 and call it the Falcon Mach 4 like they are rumored to be thinking about.

  • @hotrod1158
    @hotrod1158 2 місяці тому +6

    No way there will a four door mustang. That would legit be crazy

    • @redlight3932
      @redlight3932 2 місяці тому +1

      The mach e exists much to my dismay but there it is

    • @defyyourlogic487
      @defyyourlogic487 2 місяці тому +2

      Nowadays, there has been much crazier.

    • @hotrod1158
      @hotrod1158 2 місяці тому

      @@redlight3932 yeah but the 4 door mustang would also be competing with the charger. It’s questionable if ford would want to deal with that in todays market

    • @HondAcura111
      @HondAcura111 2 місяці тому +3

      What's crazier? Optional 4 door Mustang or no 2 door option for the new "Integra"

    • @hotrod1158
      @hotrod1158 2 місяці тому

      @@HondAcura111 mustang for sure

  • @distorted7920
    @distorted7920 2 місяці тому

    4 door, 5.0, manual is sick, rally inspired mustang coupe or sedan with the ecoboost, manual and all wheel drive (taking up the space subaru left with no sti) would be sick. Maybe offer that with the raptor eco v6 as a high trim model and call it something clever like mach R. Im always for more car models! Sounds like really cool ideas if executed correctly

  • @danlanningmsscm
    @danlanningmsscm 2 місяці тому +6

    100% call it the Falcon. As a S650 owner, I'll be PISSED if they cheapen the Mustang name even more with a sedan.

  • @denvera1g1
    @denvera1g1 2 місяці тому

    Hear me out, a 6 door mustang with a sleak, almost rambler-marlin style fastback.
    One thing i've hated in cars have been the sun/moon roofs, they just make the vehicle so hot. I do like removable roof sections but dont make them glass please.
    Speaking of weird roof, a full sized van length vehicle with the aerodynamics of a mustang, like a limo, could be a good candidate for a higher end solar package.
    Make it a coyote powering the rear wheels, but then 1kw worth of solar cells and a 10-20kwh battery pack driving the front wheels. Nothing fancy, just like a pair of 20kw hub motors or whatever works best. As long as you can put AWD plug-in hybrid V8 i think that would attract more buyers than it pushes away, the cost is the real question though, solar once integrated into the body for mass production isnt all that expensive, its the batteries and tech around the drive train that gets expensive(mostly because of givernment incentives that tells auto and parts makers to jack up the price because of the customer's free money as other countries without these incentives see lower prices.)

  • @tacofterror
    @tacofterror 2 місяці тому +6

    They could literally call it the fairmont, gran torino, thunderbird, falcon, or crown vic

  • @honzakubik8355
    @honzakubik8355 2 місяці тому +1

    4 door V8 4x4 Mustang would go so god damn hard

  • @DEFECTEDSTREETRACER
    @DEFECTEDSTREETRACER 2 місяці тому +4

    So ford are bringing watchdogs 1 and 2s sonarus lx to life intresting 😂

  • @dominicanadrenaline7708
    @dominicanadrenaline7708 2 місяці тому

    I have a mustang with 2 kids 1 in a car seat and it’s perfectly fine as a daily full car seat fits perfect and more than enough space in the trunk for a spoiler and groceries

  • @JDubST
    @JDubST 2 місяці тому +5

    If they could make it like a hatchback, like the Kia Stinger for example, I think it could be cool. I don't think they should call a Mustang at that point, but calling it the Falcon would definitely be cool. I've been driving my Focus ST for 10 years now and would pick this up if it becomes a thing.

  • @TrickShiftGarage
    @TrickShiftGarage 2 місяці тому

    Could. Not. Agree. More! Great video man. I hope they go with Falcon after seeing the Mustang Fanbase cringe at the Mach E.

  • @brianbdawg3059
    @brianbdawg3059 2 місяці тому +2

    The ford mustang police interceptor

  • @IcelanderUSer
    @IcelanderUSer 2 місяці тому

    I still remember when the highway patrol drove mustangs. Even in Alabama with the one giant dome on top. If I remember correctly.

  • @alexandredufour7358
    @alexandredufour7358 2 місяці тому +1

    A coyote sedan awd would be insane

  • @kevinostberg1729
    @kevinostberg1729 2 місяці тому

    Yes to the Falcon idea. I think it would be pretty cool to see a Baja Mustang version.

  • @1pyroace1
    @1pyroace1 2 місяці тому +1

    They might be trying to take over contracts for police departments

  • @jesusquintero9761
    @jesusquintero9761 2 місяці тому

    Build it!! For a family dad who can't hardly cruise in his 2 door mustang.

  • @CaptainCJ97
    @CaptainCJ97 2 місяці тому

    3:30 that super van sounds interesting. Some people are saying falcon or tarus but why those? Giving the fact cops taxis & others loved the crown vic & other panthers it wouldn't make sense to bring those back outta the panthers

  • @Tbcycoji
    @Tbcycoji Місяць тому

    I remember there was a moment , when some people used to called the Fusion , the mustang sedan.

  • @RickNethery
    @RickNethery 2 місяці тому +1

    There will be lots of Dodge Charger customers looking for rear wheel drive V8 powered sedans.

  • @chillwitisaiahyo
    @chillwitisaiahyo 2 місяці тому +1

    I feel like the mustang would’ve worked better as a 4 door back when the charger became a 4 door in 2006ish cause wtf is the competition now
    The hellcat?

  • @fatguyguns8708
    @fatguyguns8708 Місяць тому +1

    Ford hasn’t learned much if they try and call this thing a Mustang.
    I get it’s a brand of its own… but it doesn’t work the same way as they currently do with slapping a “raptor” badge on everything.