This was definitely top tier Salt Mines episode. 15:05 was so fucking delicious. Guy in chat said something stupid, Pig called it out then the next fight proved Pig right. Then guy in chat tried to move the goal post. Only for the next fight to prove Pig right again.
i've never seen mass zerglings only with vipers that's some next level buffoonery also killing like 200 workers, but is still behind in workers for the entire game, that takes skill as well
"Zerg is underpowered waaaaahhhhhhhh." Proceeds to a-move pure ling at a toss making pure air army. Never made it over 60 workers despite no attack till after 5 minute. Floats 3k minerals on 38 drones and still doesn't expand or drone more. Calling this t3 diamond is and insult to t3 diamond players. This is silver league play.
@DarthIke77 you clearly don't play enough. I know you are just exaggerating calling this silver, but that zerg play was clearly t3 dia or higher. I've never seen that much map awareness, micro, understanding of viper /spore usage, knowing how many spores to build to counter carriers, using drops at the same time attacking another expo lower than dia.
Lmao, what are you talking about man, everyone knows lings counter carriers and tempests... I feel protoss has had the brunt of nerfing the past several years overall, most critical I felt was the loss of the very necessary carrier upgrade to release interceptors faster. Without it especially combined with paying lots of mins to rebuild the damn things (do broodlings cost mins? pay to reload thor missiles? This is an RTS that's not suppose to cost minerals!) carriers are essentially useless; at least definitely not worth the cost compared to their effectiveness. I could go on for pages, but yeah overall toss has suffered
zerg is not underpowered and not over powered. but Terran is broken AF. that is a fact, toss is also affected and without a chance if both play on the same high level. who doesn't see that, must be...whatever. like Avilo.
@@OldSpaghettifactory89 That Shift-Click-Bug? Did this bug make it to the live servers? Then I didn't notice it, but that doesn't mean anything. Maybe. But I think it was just a miss-rally.
22:13 "this player literally just sudoku'ed"..........LMAO, please tell me that this is new slang for Seppuku!!!! He cut his stomach with a grid of 9 grids of 9 numerals!!! oh.. my stomach hurts!!!!
I love your videos Pig, and only second to the Flo Files, the salt mines are awesome! It's so funny watching people play like shit as if they don't understand what an rts is, then when hey inevitably loose they cry and bitch blaming it all on everything but their own horrible play and decisions. It's gold. Thanks for your time Pig, been watching your stuff for years bro, your commentary is always hilarious and your insight into the game/casting knowledge is top tier.
I don't think I've ever seen someone kill over 200 workers in a game before, and I definitely have not seen someone both kill over 200 workers AND manage to STAY BEHIND in economy while doing it before.
Both Probes and cats exhibit a deep-rooted reluctance to engage in unnecessary effort. In StarCraft 2, Probes will diligently mine resources or construct buildings when assigned. However, if left to their own devices after completing a task, they’ll stop and remain idle, seemingly waiting for a new directive. Similarly, a cat might excitedly chase a laser pointer for a few moments, only to plop down and feign indifference as if to say, “That’s enough for today.” This tendency to idle is not laziness-it’s a calculated display of efficiency. Like cats, Probes know that effort is precious and should only be expended when absolutely necessary. Why waste energy when the minerals will still be there in a few moments.
I could immediately tell that you were pretty fed up with this guy. I noticed that when you cast games, you usually try to aim more for just neutral, honest feedback, even for what is objectively low-level play. I have never seen you directly insult someone's strategy this much (or lack thereof), but honestly he deserved it. It was a thing of beauty to behold.
I haven't played Starcraft in over a decade, but i remember back in SC1, we tried SC guys play Red Alert and RA guys play SC. One of them built only zerglings and one built marines, and there was a blood bath in the middle of the map. This match reminds me of that 😂.
I'm a casual vs AI player, been playing casually since Brood War back in the day and LOVE watching these 1v1s. Honestly they are better players than me, lol. I wish I were good enough at the game to have trash talkers rage at me. I find it amusing and just agree with them and act calm. Sometimes I poke them when they type in other games and just put symbols like 😛 or 🙂 and they lose it. Lol.
I love this series so much! Best Starcraft entertainment ever (for me at least). I think if I sent a replay I'd completely baffle your brain 🤣 as to what I'm trying to do. At least I'm better than these players though. Being a hyper casual player always allows me to have fun when playing even when I lose.
Maybe I should get back into StarCraft. The last time I played SC2 ranked was end of WoL and these "diamond" players were like bronze and silver tier back then.. O.o lol
I think what Pig said about Diamond 3 was probably true several years ago, but this looks more like gold league tbh...Diamond nowadays is definitely real build orders rather than random stuff
I mean he flames his opponent that he "should be" in Plat or Gold so this dude could be Diamond 3. I am Diamond 3 and in a straight up Macro match you would kill this dude easy. I think he will play alot of weird all ins because he does not know timings and he probably just catches people offguard. He never came above 50 workers, because he is not used to macro more than 2 or max 3 bases. I made this mistake too when i wasnt used to macro more bases and went for 2-base-all ins the whole day
@@stevenhorstgeorg5728bruh lol i feel like this comment is about me, I'm also incompetent win by hitting opponents off guard (even as they scout said all in)
28:21 actually on point though haha. I mean, at least SC2 has pros from all 3 races on the balance council. RL keeps being imba bc its balance council is mostly people who already play the OP factions / races / character classes themselves.
Even though the builds were bad, this could easily be platinum1/diamond3 on EU. I base that on the use of multiple ctrl groups, use of transfuse, vipers, level of action, etc. I struggle with air toss a lot in diamond, so I can understand the chat guys frustration. It requires so much APM to counter an Airtoss with good positioning and spells whereas the toss can just a-move around one group.
16:13 come on sniping 2 colossus that are protected by 7 void rays, 4 Carriers and a Tempest with 40 zerglings is not so bad and he got away with half of them alive.
As a d3 zerg, the protoss comment is right, so many of my protoss games is i show up at their base with 37 supply of roach ravager and they have 9 supply, they call me bad and then surrender
Yo we might have SC IRL here in America.. apparently we got top secret government drones chasing around these orbs of light they are calling plasmoids… it looks like a ball of pure energy shitnis wild rn thanks for making lit sc content I can pass out too peacefully! ✌️ 😂
Overmind's multiprong is actually pretty nice, too bad literally everything else was awful. Homie needs to work on his macro bigtime and I think he'd quickly jump up a whole division. edit: nevermind, I assumed they were in Gold league
Don't feel bad, if you handed me this game, and told me to guess the rank based only on the zergs play I would have guessed somewhere between silver 2-gold 3.
I haven't played Starcraft 2 in a long time, but those type of people were always my favorites. "You suck" I beat you "reeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE snarbarfkeslugtak!"
honestly on australian server you vs smurfs and diamond players who 2 base all in mass adept with protoss and destroy you. My experience in diamond has been vsing 2 base all in toss that are impossible to hold.
It's weird, Z and P are my two primaries, I've probably got 3x the time in P but Z is the only one i cracked dia3 with. Idt that's necessarily that Z is easier, just that I'm not a good heavy-spellcaster player and toss at diamond really wants you to make use of your spells.
The scissor paper attacks again, and not the good type of scisoring. Stay tunned for another life winning video from Pig, brought to you by the creators of "HF no GL" and "i won this game".
This proves zerg is actually op. Just sit and send zerglings without economy or gas and killing the protos (main) bases. Now, imagine he actually build the economy and/or keeps sending zerglings it is no contest.
This comment kind of proves that you are at the same level as the one who posted the replay. This replay proves only that they have no clue what they are doing.
@ledrash6079 you are fully correct. Platinum 2 player :). That said at my crappy level (as terran) it does feel like op but probably my lack of micro skills.
i am only a layman at SC2 ... but at the very least i would have expected some roach play from the zerg player ... i mean aren't those like THE main ground damage dealers (compared to SC1 hydras) also capable of tanking? if i'd had to pick something to A-move with that would have been rather my unit of choice ..
5:20 this whole rant about protoss incompetence in diamond makes me remember all the TvP games I had when I actually played sc2. Diamond tosses often met my +1 pushes with colossi and storms soon after -_-
Pig complains about the zerg not building drones but lets be real they float 3k minerals on 40 drones at 11 min, maybe they just dont need any more drones
Also., i know its cliche, but i really cant believe theses guys are Dia3. Im Dia3 on EU atm, sometimes reaching dia 2, and i know we arent Serral or Showtime , but we do build non stop workers and have some plan, and at least build corruptors if enemy goes skytoss (or vice versa as im Protoss). This looked like silver league at best.
This was definitely top tier Salt Mines episode. 15:05 was so fucking delicious. Guy in chat said something stupid, Pig called it out then the next fight proved Pig right. Then guy in chat tried to move the goal post. Only for the next fight to prove Pig right again.
This is the weirdest episode of IIODIS I've ever seen.
Haha yes! I thought at first it was PiG who was gonna be salt mined. :D
Ye, cow should have used the YOU SUCK stamp on this one after 10 minutes
Probes deserve birthday parties by the refinery once in a while. They work hard and need a break sometimes.
Free drinks too
It's not really a party if you're staring at a refinery the whole time. Try it IRL, no fun at all.
They work hard and play hard!
@@TheUberjammerthose of us with more mechanical minds enjoy it, don't hate on our fun
i've never seen mass zerglings only with vipers
that's some next level buffoonery
also killing like 200 workers, but is still behind in workers for the entire game, that takes skill as well
"Skytoss vs what? Corruptors? They lose" this was real brain hurting juice lmao
Tons of ways to kill skytoss. Disruptor, ht, archon, that's the thing interrupting the way to kill skytoss
He's not wrong. Mass Corruptor is not a great strategy. But it's also not the only strategy.
Especially baffling how he killed half the skytoss army with parasitic bomb before complaining that there is no counter.
Zerglings should be able to leap up and chew their starships.
They can, they just choose not to.
well duh, if the SCCs can reach into the sky to repair spaceships, Zerglings must be able to do reverse repair.
"Zerg is underpowered waaaaahhhhhhhh." Proceeds to a-move pure ling at a toss making pure air army. Never made it over 60 workers despite no attack till after 5 minute. Floats 3k minerals on 38 drones and still doesn't expand or drone more. Calling this t3 diamond is and insult to t3 diamond players. This is silver league play.
I mean zerg feels quite under powered nowadays but I agree with what you said^^ lol
@DarthIke77 you clearly don't play enough. I know you are just exaggerating calling this silver, but that zerg play was clearly t3 dia or higher. I've never seen that much map awareness, micro, understanding of viper /spore usage, knowing how many spores to build to counter carriers, using drops at the same time attacking another expo lower than dia.
Lmao, what are you talking about man, everyone knows lings counter carriers and tempests...
I feel protoss has had the brunt of nerfing the past several years overall, most critical I felt was the loss of the very necessary carrier upgrade to release interceptors faster. Without it especially combined with paying lots of mins to rebuild the damn things (do broodlings cost mins? pay to reload thor missiles? This is an RTS that's not suppose to cost minerals!) carriers are essentially useless; at least definitely not worth the cost compared to their effectiveness. I could go on for pages, but yeah overall toss has suffered
zerg is not underpowered and not over powered. but Terran is broken AF. that is a fact, toss is also affected and without a chance if both play on the same high level. who doesn't see that, must be...whatever. like Avilo.
Zerg is so op a silver zerg is a t3 diamond on other races.
Pig with the dad energy I love it
Great Episode! 3 Probes chilling at the gas, Stargate in the Wall, Blind Battery, D3 - Seems very familiar to me.
isnt that a bug with the probes, right now?
@@OldSpaghettifactory89 That Shift-Click-Bug? Did this bug make it to the live servers? Then I didn't notice it, but that doesn't mean anything. Maybe. But I think it was just a miss-rally.
22:13 "this player literally just sudoku'ed"..........LMAO, please tell me that this is new slang for Seppuku!!!! He cut his stomach with a grid of 9 grids of 9 numerals!!!
oh.. my stomach hurts!!!!
yes "committing sudoku" (mistaken for seppuku) has been a meme for almost a decade lol
I was thinking the save thing. Funny 😂
I thought it was a monetization thing. Where he didn't want to mention unaliving because yubtub gets mad
It's a 4chan meme that got started over a decade ago.
"new slang" who's gonna tell them
I love your videos Pig, and only second to the Flo Files, the salt mines are awesome! It's so funny watching people play like shit as if they don't understand what an rts is, then when hey inevitably loose they cry and bitch blaming it all on everything but their own horrible play and decisions. It's gold.
Thanks for your time Pig, been watching your stuff for years bro, your commentary is always hilarious and your insight into the game/casting knowledge is top tier.
I don't think I've ever seen someone kill over 200 workers in a game before, and I definitely have not seen someone both kill over 200 workers AND manage to STAY BEHIND in economy while doing it before.
Thanks! plz more viewer replays like this, ill give you mons
Thnx for the support mate!
1000 IQ long term strat to salt mine Pig.
This needs to be sent to Harstem right now, perfect IODIS episode material.
Thanks!
did i just see two voidrays run away from a single queen fight rofl
lol I love how personal this was XD
Both Probes and cats exhibit a deep-rooted reluctance to engage in unnecessary effort. In StarCraft 2, Probes will diligently mine resources or construct buildings when assigned. However, if left to their own devices after completing a task, they’ll stop and remain idle, seemingly waiting for a new directive. Similarly, a cat might excitedly chase a laser pointer for a few moments, only to plop down and feign indifference as if to say, “That’s enough for today.”
This tendency to idle is not laziness-it’s a calculated display of efficiency. Like cats, Probes know that effort is precious and should only be expended when absolutely necessary. Why waste energy when the minerals will still be there in a few moments.
If he had any corruptor follow-up on those parasitic bomb the protoss fleet would have died.
This Zerg just Sudoku'd might be my favourite Pig line ever.
@11:45 LMAO! Thats EXACTLY what those zerglings were saying!!!
22:15 Grandfather Nurgle has joined the Pigverse!
I could immediately tell that you were pretty fed up with this guy. I noticed that when you cast games, you usually try to aim more for just neutral, honest feedback, even for what is objectively low-level play. I have never seen you directly insult someone's strategy this much (or lack thereof), but honestly he deserved it. It was a thing of beauty to behold.
I haven't played Starcraft in over a decade, but i remember back in SC1, we tried SC guys play Red Alert and RA guys play SC. One of them built only zerglings and one built marines, and there was a blood bath in the middle of the map. This match reminds me of that 😂.
Thank goodness for youtube notifications to get more PiG content
well damn my name in sc2 was overmind ... though I only play coop nowadays, I still feel I gotta change my name now thanks to this guy
I did not know PIG was also doing the "Is this IMBA or do I suck" serie XD
It was such a torture to watch this game. Seeing ling queen viper vs pure air toss and no hts vs zerg comp makes my eyes bleed.
I'm a casual vs AI player, been playing casually since Brood War back in the day and LOVE watching these 1v1s. Honestly they are better players than me, lol.
I wish I were good enough at the game to have trash talkers rage at me. I find it amusing and just agree with them and act calm. Sometimes I poke them when they type in other games and just put symbols like
😛 or 🙂 and they lose it. Lol.
I felt PiG's urge to throw something grow by the second.
"are we doing a 2 gas challenge" 💀
I love this series so much! Best Starcraft entertainment ever (for me at least). I think if I sent a replay I'd completely baffle your brain 🤣 as to what I'm trying to do. At least I'm better than these players though. Being a hyper casual player always allows me to have fun when playing even when I lose.
Maybe I should get back into StarCraft. The last time I played SC2 ranked was end of WoL and these "diamond" players were like bronze and silver tier back then.. O.o lol
Your commentary is comedy.
Love it.
Pig really sprayed the overmind with his acrid whit, tell ya hwat
I think what Pig said about Diamond 3 was probably true several years ago, but this looks more like gold league tbh...Diamond nowadays is definitely real build orders rather than random stuff
yea even high plat players have some idea of what a build order is nowadays
I was about to say. The diamond pool is a lot better now.
I mean he flames his opponent that he "should be" in Plat or Gold so this dude could be Diamond 3.
I am Diamond 3 and in a straight up Macro match you would kill this dude easy.
I think he will play alot of weird all ins because he does not know timings and he probably just catches people offguard.
He never came above 50 workers, because he is not used to macro more than 2 or max 3 bases. I made this mistake too when i wasnt used to macro more bases and went for 2-base-all ins the whole day
No he’s D3. I meet him on ladder. His zvz build is absolutely roxic
@@stevenhorstgeorg5728bruh lol i feel like this comment is about me, I'm also incompetent win by hitting opponents off guard (even as they scout said all in)
Ya know I actually love this. I'm terrible at this game. But seeing this gives me confidence
The salt mines, where even the caster is a pile of salt. Rightfully so it seems.
Probes there for the free drinks.
28:21 actually on point though haha. I mean, at least SC2 has pros from all 3 races on the balance council. RL keeps being imba bc its balance council is mostly people who already play the OP factions / races / character classes themselves.
29:45 The term I've encountered for this behaviour is "Schrodinger's shitpost". They both are and aren't joking until you respond.
LUNA DANM THAT JOKES IN THIS RISKED ME CHOKING ON MY BREAKFAST X'D
All those spores to defend a hatch with no drones lol
I think the real reason our Zerg couldn't remember his build was because he forgot to drink his Brain Juice that he bought from Alex Jones!
Ahh a new segment, is this IMBA or do I suck.
"This zerg sudokud" LMAO you mean seppuku. Sudoku is a puzzle game.
Fell for one of the oldestmemes (and ways to avoid demonetization) lol
Overmind has been really quiet in pigs chat since this dropped
Even though the builds were bad, this could easily be platinum1/diamond3 on EU. I base that on the use of multiple ctrl groups, use of transfuse, vipers, level of action, etc. I struggle with air toss a lot in diamond, so I can understand the chat guys frustration. It requires so much APM to counter an Airtoss with good positioning and spells whereas the toss can just a-move around one group.
wait, he's casting MY GAMES
16:13 come on sniping 2 colossus that are protected by 7 void rays, 4 Carriers and a Tempest with 40 zerglings is not so bad and he got away with half of them alive.
As a d3 zerg, the protoss comment is right, so many of my protoss games is i show up at their base with 37 supply of roach ravager and they have 9 supply, they call me bad and then surrender
Yo we might have SC IRL here in America.. apparently we got top secret government drones chasing around these orbs of light they are calling plasmoids… it looks like a ball of pure energy shitnis wild rn thanks for making lit sc content I can pass out too peacefully! ✌️ 😂
"There is no counter." Like spores and queens are the only zerg units that shoot up LOL.
he did say corruptors and hydras too, but "they die from 14 range" lol
literally hold down the roach hydra key and this dies so so fast.
22:11 Sedokud? Seppuku? =)
New to internet? do you really need an explanation?
Welcome to the internet. You must be new here.
check "commit sudoku meme" for a good laugh
Enjoy before you reach the dark part of it...
They were diamond?!?!?! I thought for sure this was bronze.
I have a feeling these guys are friends and wanted to get on salt mines.
the fool knows everything, that is why the fool knows nothing.
Overmind's multiprong is actually pretty nice, too bad literally everything else was awful. Homie needs to work on his macro bigtime and I think he'd quickly jump up a whole division.
edit: nevermind, I assumed they were in Gold league
Don't feel bad, if you handed me this game, and told me to guess the rank based only on the zergs play I would have guessed somewhere between silver 2-gold 3.
I think the issue is that zerglings don't have any anti air attacks. If they did, zerg would be appropriately balanced with his strategy
Bruh the DJT pic on the second hatch explains it all.
Make rts great again
Not really lol. The race says more
And the guild tag.
explains his economy strategy. hes gonna build a (spore crawler) wall and make the protoss pay for it
4:50 - am diamond 3 protoss... this is exactly what I do
This game was glorious
I haven't played Starcraft 2 in a long time, but those type of people were always my favorites.
"You suck"
I beat you
"reeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE snarbarfkeslugtak!"
The Balance Council has spoken, I guess.
27:21 I don't think I've ever seen someone make or lose 722 zerglings in a single game before, huh
Ah, I stand corrected, it's an even 750
There are some pro games out there where guys lose 800+. I think Solar has lost 900 once or twice.
honestly on australian server you vs smurfs and diamond players who 2 base all in mass adept with protoss and destroy you. My experience in diamond has been vsing 2 base all in toss that are impossible to hold.
All 2 base are possible to hold, you just need to scout it.
2 base 1-1 Zealot archons all-in every game, feelsgoodman
@nooonanoonung6237 And if you do it against a zerg who scouts it and builds a roach army you are dead.
It's weird, Z and P are my two primaries, I've probably got 3x the time in P but Z is the only one i cracked dia3 with. Idt that's necessarily that Z is easier, just that I'm not a good heavy-spellcaster player and toss at diamond really wants you to make use of your spells.
probes deserve breaks 2:40
Pig showing off how hot it is outside during middle of winter is not cool
its okay australia is wrong
The scissor paper attacks again, and not the good type of scisoring. Stay tunned for another life winning video from Pig, brought to you by the creators of "HF no GL" and "i won this game".
This proves zerg is actually op. Just sit and send zerglings without economy or gas and killing the protos (main) bases. Now, imagine he actually build the economy and/or keeps sending zerglings it is no contest.
This comment kind of proves that you are at the same level as the one who posted the replay.
This replay proves only that they have no clue what they are doing.
@ledrash6079 you are fully correct. Platinum 2 player :). That said at my crappy level (as terran) it does feel like op but probably my lack of micro skills.
i am only a layman at SC2 ... but at the very least i would have expected some roach play from the zerg player ... i mean aren't those like THE main ground damage dealers (compared to SC1 hydras) also capable of tanking? if i'd had to pick something to A-move with that would have been rather my unit of choice ..
One thing I don't understand these types of trolling, why do they see it as a win when they're purposely trying to get a ruse but at what cost.
Pig play toss make proxy nexus for midfight energy recharge on high templars
At least consider, that a spore creawler is a static defense and requires a drone. The rest is really strang. Not a single corruptr!
You are kidding these are Diamond ? lmao did the level went down that much am I miss remembering my time in Diamond when I used to play lol?
Did you say Sudoku instead of seppuku? lol
5:20 this whole rant about protoss incompetence in diamond makes me remember all the TvP games I had when I actually played sc2. Diamond tosses often met my +1 pushes with colossi and storms soon after -_-
Did PiG just confuse sudoku with hari kari?
How the hell are you 24 workers down in 6:50 minutes, while not being harassed at any point in the game, playing Zerg Vs protoss?
PiG seems legitimately upset
How is this diamond 3 ? Or do i encounter all of the smurfs in gold/plat ? 😂
No way this is D3.....I don't want to believe it....
The only ling speed I saw was when the replay was going at 4x speed.
I don't remember when I played starcraft 2 last. Probably 10 years ago. Even I know that workers are important..
No way this is Diamond, no fucking way I've been away from the game so long that THIS is Diamond play
of course the dudes in a clan named trump
4/3 the damage, 3/4 the health. Clear nerf. Especially against oracles and medivacs.
Lately your salt mines are getting more angry.
Pig complains about the zerg not building drones but lets be real they float 3k minerals on 40 drones at 11 min, maybe they just dont need any more drones
Hmm my opponent has mass air units, imma counter with pure ground that cant hit air
Also., i know its cliche, but i really cant believe theses guys are Dia3. Im Dia3 on EU atm, sometimes reaching dia 2, and i know we arent Serral or Showtime , but we do build non stop workers and have some plan, and at least build corruptors if enemy goes skytoss (or vice versa as im Protoss). This looked like silver league at best.
This cannot be real.
I miss Bronze League Heroes
I'm a diamond 3 protoss and I need build orders or I'm dead.
Holy hell is this how bad diamond is now? Things have changed since WOL haha
Overmind should try themselves on Darks Souls, then they know how it feels to be underpowered the whole game.
Wait these are diamond league players?
I thought that they were bronze or silver, like myself.
I just played against overmind and he claimed IMBA with my terran bc /turtle style. He keeps making spores and not proper AA
I am not sure "sudoku:ed" means what you think it does PiG ;)
Also... when you say "andomeda", do you mean amygdala?