Part 2 Testing the New Eaton Cummins Endurant XD Pro!! HEAVY HAUL, HILL START AID, ROCK FREE & MORE
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2022
- Hello Ladies & Gentlemen and as always, thank you for watching. THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION PACKED INTO THIS VIDEO!!! PLEASE WATCH ALL THE WAY UNTIL THE END!!! In this second in a series of videos, Ethan and I continue our trip to Eaton Cummins to test out their new Endurant XD Pro 18 speed automated transmission at their proving grounds in Marshall, Michigan. This was a joint effort with Miller Industries out of Chattanooga, TN, and Roberts Heavy Duty Towing, Inc., out of Lexington, KY. We definitely put this automated transmission through some difficult tasks. In this video Ethan I and drive the heavy haul truck weighing 145,000 lbs (65770 kgs) around the oval track as well as the "large grade" portion of the track. The "large grade" has a section of 15% grade on one side and 8% grade on the other. We were able to stop on the hill and easily start backing up with that same 145,000 lbs!!! I also drive a Kenworth T880 weighing around 65,000 lbs (29484 kgs) around one of the off-road portions of track to test the "rock free", the "creep", and the "high reverse". I was highly sceptical, but, after testing this transmission, I absolutely LOVE this thing!!! Good Lord willing, when we order a new heavy towing unit, we WILL outfit it with this transmission. More videos of our time at the track to come. Stay tuned!!! I hope you all enjoy this video!!! Thanks for watching and God bless!!!
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Enjoyed part 2 just as much as part 1, Ron, and again, Thanks for showing this. It's one thing to watch the manufacture's own videos on the tech, but to hear and see a true opinion and reaction from a trustworthy guy really puts it in perspective.
You can bank on Ron's opinions, as he is on of the best!
Hi Ron, great to see you and Ethan getting to try that new automated transmission. We have had transmissions like that in Europe since the early 2000’s. Like many I was sceptical about them, but once you get used to using them you’d never go back to a manual. Thanks for taking us along. Stay safe out there.😎🇬🇧
"This is easier to drive than my car!" Ethan. Love it!
Good morning all, Ron, what you and Ethan are doing would be so much fun and a great bonding experience for the 2 of you !!!!! Have fun!!!!!!
Morning Mr Ron glad to see Ethan with you testing out the transmission hope all goes well. Prayers for your family and all the employees have a blessed weekend
Even if this was not something you would use yourself, days like this realy give you info about the trucks you are towing!
Ron thank you for the two video's with Eaton Fuller. They put a lot of thought into how it shifts up and down hills. It has been educational.
Excellent video. Love the information. Again I’m glad you and Ethan got to be there.
....great info, keep safe...
I completely recognise the "I'm looking for a clutch pedal" that Ethan said first time in the seat. I feel like that every time I drive an automatic - typically when I get a rental car. All cars I've ever owned are manual.
My Silverado at home is a 5-speed and my Cascadia is a 12-speed automated manual so I know the feeling.
first time I drove an automatic I stopped at a red light and took my foot off the brake to sit on the clutch like I was used to from driving manual. That doesn't work so well in an automatic and I rolled into the car in front. It was just a gentle tap and no damage done, but man was I embarrassed.
Ron, anyone who has driven a standard
Learns to shift after moving without using the clutch!
Just the sound of the engine will tell you when to shift!
That part I would miss with an automatic! But listening to the
Stack and the whining of a Turbo is comforting to a guy after driving several hours! Especially in mountainous roads!
I literally love your show Ron and this was a real treat. I would love to take a ride in one!
I’m almost 79 and my driving days are over though!
I would love to see these in a snow and ice setting, how they react to chains on the tires, or just low traction situations.
Along with that, I'd like to see how it does on steep grades in winter, both going up and down the grade.
Great point!
Perhaps they will be kind enough to invite me back for some Winter weather testing???
@@RonPratt As I'm sure you know, Michigan gets plenty of winter weather. However, you seem to get more ice down there in Missouri. Maybe you should invite them down there for testing with a bunch of ice covering the roads...and the trucks top to bottom.
If its like Volvo I-shift, its perfect.
Thanks Ron and Ethan for the videos. That transmission and its design is engineering at its finest. The engine and shifting sounds are pure music to the ears.
Ron, thank you for sharing this !
One more thing I forgot to mention, seeing that glow in you driving these test vehicles absolutely puts me in a good mood as well! You are definately an absolute wonderful person ron. Seeing people like you is an absolute pleasure. If there was some kind of "UA-cam good conduct medal of the year", would so nominate you for the reward without question
Wow that’s amazing.
Very fascinating how smooth that is.
This is the logical next step in power train development. I'm slightly surprised that it didn't happen earlier.
Take a good, versatile hardware configuration and overlay it with some additional sensors and an expert system implemented in software and you have the next, possibly last road vehicles to require a human driver. Besides transmission and engine controls, it sounds like they've integrated rear end, differential and braking control to perform various "mission" activities as directed and prioritized by the driver/mission planner.
I'm glad you guys got to participate in testing this new technology. I used to run an R & D lab so I know the satisfaction of having a part in developing new products and seeing them provide value for customers and advance the state of the art in your chosen field. I'll be interested to see how this works out in use after a year or two.
it did happen earlier, in Europe they've used automatic 12 speeds for decades
Volvo and scania have some of the best automated transmissions. They incorporate axle level sensors and air ride pressure to calculate weight, gyroscopic sensors to determine slope angle, GPS assisted cruise control based also on Data from other trucks to continuosly improve the shifting and driver comfort. And all of this is on top of engine/transmission integration.
I can't believe I just watched this whole video. Didn't even feel that long. Good info, good video. Thanks Ron and Ethan.
That is some impressive tech! Very cool to see Ethan behind the wheel.
Very impressive! Thanks for the great videos, Ron, and sharing your experience!
It was an honor to have been invited and I'm glad to share the experience with my viewers. Thanks for watching and God bless.
Extremely impressive and interesting!!! The technology in the computer design driving this transmission is EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE almost frightening in a sort of way !! WOW is all I can truly say!! having been a heavy truck driver and working in the HIGH TECH industry too for 30 years (IBM)!!! When I see this level of circuitry (Chip design and such) working with mechanical devices is really breath taking and thought provoking for me!!!! THANKS FOR THE RIDE Ron and This video as always Wishing you and Ethan the very best and see you next video! May God bless you all!!
It was very interesting Ron. Thank you for sharing this video with us. Have a safe trip back home. And may God bless you and your family.
Very intresting in a lot of ways. I can see this improving trucking & heavy tow and recovery industry a lot
As always, love your videos. It was great to see Ethan participating to include test driving.
That transmission is a real beast!
it is really neat to see all the torque at work
I love watching all your vlog it was cool I wood love to see you have one so thank you for your show and my god bless you and your family
Nice👍the company truck I drive has the same shifter stalk, so this is teaching me about the functions I haven’t used yet 👍🤠
Impressive to say the least! Ron in your discussion with Eaton, did they give you some idea on fuel economy advantages of the automatic vs a manual? I can see already a saving on the wear and tear on driveline comments,not to mention on the driver! Thanks for all you do! May the Good Lord Bless and Protect you and your crew!
i know right and by the way do you have face book?
We have the 12 speed version they say about 0.7 miles per gallon.
Awesome video keep up with a great work and be safe out there.
That looks like a much improved system over what I was used to with there products. I would be willing to give that one a shot when there available.
Thanks for sharing! This transmission setup seems like a beast!!!!
Wonderful video Ron. Glad they researched and found a professional to help test and show what appears to be a superior transmission and computer aided control. Stay well. God Bless you and yours.
It was an honored to have been invited. They had developed a true marvel. Thanks for watching and God bless.
That was so awesome and incredible!!!!
Good morning Ron & crew! Hope everyone has a safe day & stay hydrated!
Splendid, thank you guys!
Awesome video I am really impressed with how all the trucks ran so smooth.
Ron Thanks for bringing us along. Very impressive 👍
It was an honor to have been invited and I'm glad to share the experience with my viewers. Thanks for watching and God bless.
Now you have to explain to MOM Prat that you need a new truck, don't forget the flowers and chocolates (good luck lol)
I was at the eaten fuller proving grounds in 1998 when I was learning to drive. It was actually after had gotten hired with the company and they sent me up to the proving grounds with a group of drivers to learn how to drive in adverse conditions like wet roads and things of that such. I had a ball but I learned a lot. This was fun revisiting!
Definitely very informative video!!!! Loved it 🇺🇲👍
I really think it's great you got to go drive this with one of the engineers who personally worked on it. That's fantastic and you can tell he's personally invested in the performance of this.
I love the tech! on these trucks!
Keep up the good work Ron god bless love watching you on UA-cam
This is an awesome transmission so when will we see it in the Rotator 😁
Very well done Ron.
Much Thanks.
Mike M.
Dang Ron it seems like yesterday that Ethan and his friend were fishing at a lake and he’s all grown up now it’s making me feel a little old but great to see how he’s grown and driving the big trucks now!!!! Amazing video as usual and I’ll see you in the next video!!!!
Cool transmission
That Transmission in those different trucks is amazing!
Yes it was. Looking forward to having one in our fleet....someday. Thanks for watching and God bless.
Keep them coming Ron!
Ron I just found your channel and I just started making my own trucking content, yours is so awesome!
I guess we now know what drivetrains rons new trucks will have... Lol. Great performance on those auto transmissions
That was amazing! Those big things seem to shift as smooth as my pickup.
I really enjoyed this interesting video, even though I do not drive.
Amazing piece of Technology. The Mack I drive had a mDrive 12 speed. Has the 3 stage engine brake w/Max setting. Absolutely love it. The mDrive preforms very well also
Amazing transmissions
Hello Ron, I enjoyed both parts very much.
Thank you for another great video. I bet I know what your next truck is going to have in it.
Loved the first part, but this??? Wow, Eaton has gone beyond what the future drivers will drive. Ron, I'm old school like you but love the new tech. How awesome for the Pratt faimly to be apart of this new tech going foward!!! Dad is smilling down! I can feel it!!! 👍🏻👍🏻😎😎😎
It was an honor and a humbling experience. This new platform is AMAZING!!! Thanks for watching and God bless.
The sheer mass of wheels/tires/axles and their placement boggles my mind to pieces. A crazy thing right there. I suppose it's keeping more weight off the tractor and on the trailer. Pretty cool seeing Ethan have a go.
I have the 12 speed endurant for last 3 years been good transmissions no problems at all.
It's nice stuff, it costs a few bucks, but then you also have something good. Good luck. Seen on 15-7-22 at 17:28 in Amsterdam (NL).
It was pretty cool to see you guys geeking out about the stuff because I even was geeking out about it. Plus big shout out to FireKeepers I miss going down there and have a little fun.
All i can say WOW!
I enjoyed the video and found it impressing. Thank you both for extending it to your channel.
Any thoughts about upgrading ?
Good morning from Southeast South Dakota
Sorry but I will stick with my manual transmission
It's good to see Cummins and Eaton joining to develop this transmission. A long time ago, when I worked at a bus company, the engines and transmissions were mechanical. Electronic transmissions (automatic, with torque converter) came first. When electronic engines were used in medium duty applications, we only added the electronic transmissions. Someone had to explain to me the advantages of having the electronic engine communicate with the transmission. I can only imagine that it's even more important for these heavy duty applications. I'm not as ignorant as I was 30 years ago, but I appreciate the info in this video and thank you (Ron) for sharing with us.
The engineering that went into designing this platform is astounding. I've always been a Cummins fan and an Eaton fan, but not too big on the automatic transmission or "automated" as they are calling them now. After this trip my mind has been changed. This Endurant XD platform is on a whole new level, light years beyond anything I've ever encountered. It shifts smoother than I can and makes driving so much easier. And, at my age, the easier part is important. Stay safe my friend. God bless.
Very impressive truck.
Impressive, Ron. The challenge in getting the best use out of this transmission will be ultimately down to the driver. Just jumping in the cab and driving off won’t be enough. It is essential that the truck dealer gives the buyer a really comprehensive handover on purchase.
I have never driven a big truck, but my last 5 cars have all had VW DSG transmissions and I have no intention of ever reverting to a manual box. !! Best Wishes from the UK.
Enjoyed this video with the new technology.. I know Ray would have many coments and questions . . . as he started it over to check to see if he missed something the first run through.
Thanks for sharing 🐸
GREAT video, learned a lot about this automatic transmission, it's going to be a performance transmission, no clutching!! Hope this is what the 12 speed automated system is like.... great questions you asked....
The 12 speed works a lot like this one.
For those of us who don't drive trucks, can you answer a few questions Ron? 1) Are 18 speeds about the largest gearbox on big trucks and heavy construction machinery? No 20 speeds or more? 2) This Eaton-Cummins Endurant is not the only automatic truck gearbox out there, comments mention a Volvo and a 12 speed (Eaton?) automatic. 3) This is NOT some kind of dual clutch automatic, correct? I imagine trucks could not run essentially dual gearboxes to have seamless shifting as VW cars do. That means that the brakes and more have to be integrated into the system for it to work so much like a car automatic with HUGE GVWs!
That brings me to my one concern about this transmission. How could drivers who only drive trucks with transmissions like this be suitably careful in dangerous situations? Extra training, warnings of various types? Maybe it would be worth while to engineer in things like a shaking cab or vibrating pedal for situations that warrant them as warnings. This comment has gotten way too long. Thanks for sticking with it. 8-)
Very impressive Ron
Thank you. It was a lot to take in, in a short, whirlwind trip, but it was worth it. Now I'm dreaming of a new Miller rotator with an Endurant XD Pro system!!! Maybe someday.... Thanks for watching and God bless.
Absolutely outstanding videos as always Ron. Hope one day they will come out with a 6-speed retrofit for my bus. 60107 says hello.
I was hoping they could fit this Endurant XD into my existing rotator which has an 18 speed manual. While technically possible, I was told it was not advisable due to the complexity of the system and all the work, cost, etc., that would be required to fit it...not to mention the downtime. Hopefully, someday I'll get to order a new one already set up. Thanks for watching and God bless.
I don't know how many ponies those engines have but that is part of the equation of how fast the loaded truck accelerates... Also you might consider installing the auto chain system to your fleet seeings how you have such severe weather in the winter. It would allow much quicker response times along with the safety factor of not having your people exposed to the dangers associated with installing the chains alongside the road in slippery ice conditions. I know it is a bit of an expense but so is getting people hurt. It would make deploying chains as easy as a flick of a switch. Just something to think about.
These new 18 speed Eaton transmissions appear to be the new wave coming in the trucking industry.
WOW!
Good thing you have the video to learn from should you decide to purchase one. Man there was a lot of information to remember. Perhaps an instructor comes with each purchase that can help the first week or two! All the best and God bless.
I still prefer the Allisson HD4000 series transmission over the automated manuals. Yes this transmission has 18 speeds, However we have had no issues pulling 100k combined weight of truck and loaded trailer with the Allison MD4000 with only 6 gears.
And for anyone interested, that's nearly 2000 views in the first hour.
Looks like an unbelievable opportunity to be able to get to try such an amazing new product as that Eaton transmission.
Hope you are able to get one in one of your company trucks soon
Awesome!
Great video 👍Learnt so much about truck dynamics braking changing gear hill ascent descent and you slipped in a Star wars mention keep up the good work.
I'm completely amazed, at the advanced technology, kw has come out with..... truly impressive 👏 👏 👏
Looks like a winner for pushing snow.
it's absolutely incredible how far we've come in the trucking/heavy haul/towing & recovery industries
Yes it is. This new Endurant XD platform is unlike anything I've ever driven. I'm in LOVE and dreaming of a new Miller rotator with the Endurant XD Pro system. Maybe someday... Thanks for watching and God bless.
I like this Endurant HD Pro,it seems to be an efficient,dependable,12 speed transmission.
Sorry Endurant XD Pro
I see Eaton finally built an automatic transmission that competes with the Allison automatic transmission.
This is not an automatic, but an automated manual, there is a difference.
Very interesting 😍😍😍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Ron, did the Eaton reps mention about torque limiting in the lower gears?
That truck with the steel plate is a real world mass for an Aussie truck with two trailers ( B-Double). The one they were talking about at higher weights is similar to a road train quad at 120t.
After using various Eaton autos, skip-shift just makes it easier when pulling away from the lights than to have to go through all the gears every time.
Mack also have a max braking system setup using the Volvo drivetrain.
That 15% grade is also used for working out the GVM/GCM ( Gross Vehicle Mass/Gross Combination Mass) of a combination, where the engineers determine what the truck's maximum mass is for certification.
If they did, I do not remember. This was a whirlwind trip with a lot of information. My main concern was how well it performed and the longevity of the system. The performance surpassed what I could have ever thought possible with an automated transmission. As for the longevity, we will have to see. In video #1, linked in the description of this video, I drive a Roberts Towing unit that had been field-testing this transmission system for 18 months at the time of filming, which was in May. The owner of Roberts Towing was there as well. After he test drove the various trucks and saw the enhanced functions, he decided to upfit three trucks that he already in production.....he made it happen that day, so there must be something to this system. Thanks for watching and God bless.
Ron I was going to say no way on this but watching the rig with 145k on it backing up the grade without applying fuel or throwing drive lines or tail shaft out of transmission or anything mechanical for that matter and you and I both know it has and will happen was absolutely amazing thank you for sharing such footage with us and for you allowing Ethan to get hands on experience God Bless you Ron
Yep, that's what sold me on it too. My 18 speed manual would be bucking and jumping before (if) I got it to go backwards up the 15% grade with that kind of weight. It was extremely impressive. Thanks for watching and God bless.
Oh I see mid-west getting a truck with this transmission in it for the shop in the future
Test it with ambient temperature over 90f for 10 hours and see how long it lasts. I hope Eaton has improved since I last drove a big rig with a Eaton transmission.
Hilarious. The Fuller Roadranger was an industry-standard in transmissions - but, you had trouble with them...
Cummins power!
thanks for sharing May God bless you and yours ✝️ stay safe out there
ron . i been driving for 40 plus years yes that would be nice trans to run but one thing you tested this that is set up the way it should be but as you may know either the dealer will screw this up and not run this way or a company own truck the owner screws it so it never work the way it should
Enjoyed this very much. This is sure to change the trucking industry. It may well spell the end to manual transmissions.
I don't know if it will spell the end of the manual transmissions, but it will certainly be a huge part of their downfall. Thanks for watching and God bless.
I drove a Eaton ultra shift and hated it
In my opinion going with Allison automatics are the way to go.
Or just stick with MANUAL!
Nothing like a 18 speed manual good ole Eaton Fuller!
Spicer, road ranger
Classic!
I'll watch the rest of this video later. Two things stand out. One back when I started driving in the mid 70s everybody kept saying less gears and less power are better for fuel mileage. Uh right! Second when mu trucks go into a shop for repair the number one problem that I seem to have isn't a bad component it's a bad sensor. How many sensors does this thing have? A properly geared and powered 13 or 18 speed is still my preference.
Well of a 13 speed auto, the only issues I run into is the split gears are in the low range and if thoughtful for a bit or have an empty trailer then hook up to a heavy load it takes longer to start because it hasn't understands that you got a load on and well try to start you out in 5th till it learns the new weight about half mile or so. So if you stop before it learns you might want to downshift it to 2nd or 3rd for easier starts. On the high side when I get to the bottom of a hill I downshift it so it climbs easier and don't lose so much speed, going thru Omaha on 80 I can keep around 62 mph fully loaded being govern at 65, if i don't ill be down to 55 or so. Also ill switch to manual when I get around 9th gear on the on ramp to run it into higher rpm 16 17 hundred to pick up speed quicker, usually adds about 10 mph by end of on ramp compared to the economy setting.
I do not drive anymore but (I’m 78) more power more gears and good rear ends! That where I was when I quit driving!
I watch you drive and it’s natural to yo to shift! A good driver will automatically know where to go!
Love to watch your show and love the way you go through the necessary procedure’s to
Get the thing either to the shop or baa a close on the road!
Raymond is a good man but seems like he would like your
Compliments! He has a a hard worker and knows what he is doing!
Loved watching your dad and you work together! I was so saddened that he passed but I believe he is inn a better place!
Thanks Ron for the good language and encouragement to your crew! You are a very respectful man to all you work for!
Love your show!
Post more I’m almost through all of the 👍
From the first video, I like how you talked to the wrecker driver and hopefully made him feel somewhat at ease with the cameras.
I hope I did. We were just two wrecker operators "talking shop". Thanks for watching and God bless.
Just run across this video, WOW things in trucks have changed BIG TIME since 2010 when I retired after 30+ years in a concrete truck in St Louis Mo!! And a concrete truck with 10, or,, some will haul 14 yds of concrete, would be a GOOD test for longevity, probably the most SEVRELY ABUSED truck on the roadway, being in twists , mud, especially the mattress type spongy stuff, and hills and places you would not dream of getting a concrete truck in with heavy loads and the corrosive lime ,concrete dust, and acids used to clean them, on the sensors. We had Mcneilus , MTM, come down with a new Mack, that had all the electronics on it, had 17yrs under my belt then, I think in 2002 or 3 and got to drive a automatic the 1 st time, you should have tried a emergency stop with it, almost put my foot through the left floorboard. The owner of MTM son was riding with me, got on I-270 at Dorset and at 270 and 70 going North, in 3rd lane I just happened to mention to him I hate this section of road, had plenty of crush space, and all of a sudden a old man, and lady in a Cherry Ford 65ish Fairlane passes me throws on the right turn and jams the brakes on to get in the lane to go west on 70!! Luckily we didnt have a bad day, the guy on my right seen what was going down and brakes howling and the one on the left, couldnt see the Fairlane over the hood no more Whew, , I look over and he was BONE WHITE, and finger prints in the dash!!, he says WHEW that was close glad you had 17yrs under your belt!! Not sure what auto that was but I did manually downshift to try to avoid the situtation!! In a concrete truck you are pulling about 40hp or better off engine to keep mixer turning with 10 yds on and a fluid load, always thought the Eaton 9 speed was about the best as far as power and the right speed in reverse, say backing up a muddy hill to a foundation wall, hated the Mack Granite that had the reverse button on gearshift and down the road, one gear to high next to low. Some newbies today would be TOTALLY LOST in a 5 and 4, , always thought the Eaton 9 and 13 Road Ranger was good Why I mentioned a emergency stop I got a brand new 1999 Mack that had the Eaton 9 speed in it , one of the 1st with electronic fuel.injection and throttles on them, when backing up to a foundation and stomped on brake under a load before it would lug down it would throw the engine into FULL throttle, kept telling dispatch about it and Mack representive came out and says yea that could get a fella in trouble in a emergency stop to, IT did, about 2 weeks later , really messed up a TR7 rear end at Lindberg and 40, had it almost stopped and throwed engine wide open, they had a recall over that issue the next day!! Only fender bender I ever had in 30 yrs.
Fascinating! I'm a bit of a gearhead and I'm somewhat familiar with the trucking industry but you could put all I know in a coffee mug and have room left over... But still...
Hot Dang! That thing is amazing! Change modes on the fly? Automatic neutral? The Rock Free function - and in reverse? It senses what surface and type of driving you're doing? What the heck???
I am just curious how difficult it is to make all these changes in the settings... Like would it need to be taken to a shop each time or can it be done in the truck?