McLaren F1 engine-out cleaning | Beyond the Details
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2022
- This is the legendary McLaren F1 BMW V12 engine like you've never seen it before: completely out of the car! Tim takes advantage of this rare occurrence to thoroughly clean and detail every aspect of this gorgeous piece of machinery.
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The treatment this engine gets is more detailed than most supercars get in their lifetime. Good job
Sprays engine with degreaser and cleans with brushes & steam. Spends nearly entire video telling us how complex the process is. Not hating, it just came off like he was worried 100,000 people are gonna see this video and come gunning for his job.
The average double sided sticky tape built McLaren or Lambo doesn't deserve it
MBS ♥️
better than the factory
This engine is worth more than most consumer friendly supercars
after having spent a year working on a 95 bmw v8, i can see so many similarities in parts, links, hoses, etc. not that i own an F1 engine, but i love how a 20+ million $ art piece can seem so familiar
That engine from BMW probably cost McLaren less than $100k in 1995. There's no way in hell that it has actually appreciated in price. The price of technology ALWAYS goes down, so $100k for a state of the art V12 engine in 2022 is going to get you WAY MORE bang for the buck. You're going to get WAY MORE power, reliability and performance from a modern V12 engine. Thems the facts, folks.
Don't believe the hype!
When you spoke about the milspec connectors probably being fine, but still not risk it, or how you explain about the inconel or gold fragility, it was verified for me that you truly have respect for the customer's car and know your way around technically.
I used to work in the defense industry. If these are MIL-SPEC connectors, you can subject them to 3 atmospheres of pressure under water and they'll work fine.
@@hunterjohnson7393 Just curious, what is the lifespan/service life of mil-spec connectors? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years?
Shout out to Mike schien for letting us get such an in depth look at his f1. This is seriously what I’ve been dreaming of my entire life…..since I first saw this car in the Guinness book of world records like 20+ years ago as a child I’ve tried to consume as much content with this car as possible…thank you everyone whose making this possible
This is not from the Schein car. Different engine set up from a car in for major service.
Mike sold his f1 sadly 😔
@@nakulpatel8002 source? :((
As a European shop owner, it drives me a little crazy that they are pulling the motor to clean it, but not refreshing any gaskets, water pump, ignition system, etc. It's the perfect time to give a nice refresh.
I feel like they prob were pulling it to do all that and more, it just wasn’t the topic of the video.
That's the point of an engine out I'm positive it was done, or checked or scheduled, the F1 shop is a top secret facility with one man access, and that sacred Compaq💻
I can confirm that the powertrain was not removed solely for cleaning and that a decent amount of "engine out" work was performed.
if you watch leno he explains that every five years the engine has to be removed to change the fuel bladder , for these to command the price they do the owner has to follow a strict maintenance regime dictated by the factory with one of there reps present , and when leno says its expensive then you know its astronomical
This is probably going to be the first stop for that rear power train unit. Could be going off for service work after being cleaned.
For everyone that's commenting on how much this detail of work would cost, just factor in that this is the central engine of a $25M+ vehicle that's at least in the top 5 greatest designed/built cars of all time.
and that engine though. In 1992 being a NA engine, it could push the McLaren F1 to 241 MPH top speed. BMW made one hell of an engine. There is no sequence after S70 in the BMW engines list.
Top 5? More like Top 3 and imo Top 1
Definitely a 40-50k detail if that
I’ve only seen on McLaren F-1 in person. It was at a BMW dealer in Boston in 1996. Gorgeous car. I can’t believe what they are going for today.
One of the best engines of the history. Still today looks very good.
Renaissance Wax! Really great stuff!
Wondered if anyone else would notice. This stuff is used by the British Museum and works on everything...wood, metal, leather...you name it
my son is a mechanic and also a high end detailer , like Tesla Porche Audi etc. something like this would be his dream, what would a job like this cost courious.
we enjoy watching your videos you are the best!
Knowing how the F1 sounds through that coffin of a muffler is insane. Plus the amount of power it made through all those bends and piping is impressive. I don't think I've ever seen manifold flanges with 4 bolts for each port, very robust.
It was suppose to be a crash structure for the rear of the car, that’s why it’s bolted like that :D
@@charleshu5752 Imagine how much it weighs and how much it kills the tone. Even in Inconel it has to be heavy as hell. Ditch that and have4 Ti or Inconel pipes with a 90° bend and 4 tips would sound amazing, increase power and throttle response, and drop weight especially that far behind the rear axle. I just can't help but look at OE equipment and wonder how much there is to be gained or improved if NVH and other factors aren't an issue for the end user. The headers or manifolds look incredible so I doubt there's any benefits there or with the airbox. McLaren and BMW really did an amazing job with this chassis, engine, and development of making them all work together.
Bends and dents don't do anything to HP. Engine masters did a series on it and the difference was less than the normal variation you'd expect on runs. The dented them basically completely closed before it made more than a handful of ho change
@@pjbth I saw that episode but to deduce that "bends and dents" don't have an impact is foolish. Besides I wasn't talking about the bends and dents I was talking about the chambers, baffles, and weight of that muffler. If you saw that episode I am sure you also saw the episode where they tested different types of mufflers and how big of an impact they had on the power the motor was able to produce.
@@pjbth You obviously know nothing about fluid mechanics. Every bend reduced the flow through a pipe. It's really simple to calculate, actually. Of course, to truly take advantage of a straight pipe you would want to RETUNE THE ENGINE, which is probably not what most people do, and I am certain was not accounted for in the Engine Masters video.
If you took those huge mufflers out, and just straight piped this car out the back, not only would it sound FUCKING WICKED, it would absolutely allow you to make more power (especially if you tuned it for the increased flow). It's very simple physics. Nothing complicated here.
The detail going into the engine alone, I can only image what when into doing the chassis….these videos are so satisfying
This was so therapeutic.
The gentleman really likes to give the job its due time and doesn’t like to rush. He definitely loves doing it.
F1 is the only car that gets my attention, it just has that perfect balance of absolute rawness, pure driver control and is just elegant, no over the top looks of super cars these days. Worth it!
I know it I will never probably own one but maybe get to drive one one day.
You do some beautifully detailed and careful work sir. I would kill just to be face to face with the engineering marvel that is the s70/2 you are a lucky man to work on such an engine.
One of the best engines BMW has EVER made. Made just before every German car company crumbled. What a way to go!
It's basically a 325i engine x2
Porsche hasn't lost it its way if you ask me.
@@ultraguy8771 Porsche has last it's way as well....911 keeps getting bigger...no more N/A six cylinders....over complicated.... trying to be everything to everyone, just like the rest. BMW makes a front wheel drive offering now. They have all watered down the brand to appeal to non enthusiasts.
@@benvester3340 If you try to appeal just to enthusiasts, you'll die. Car manufacturing is a business, their purpose is to make money.
@@dimekoza you're telling me BMW, with their 20 other models, needs a FWD piece of junk? There are ways to make cars people want and still having soul.
What an incredible engine, and Amazing job to Tim on the Detailing work !!!
Greatest engine of all time.
This video is perfect!!! Absolutely perfect. I love the details being showed to the camera, really nice cleaning also
Thanks for the extra time and work bringing us along.
S70/2, the best motor ever made! No doubt
Yeah, maybe in 1995. But, even then you would have to put the the disclaimer (BEST ROAD ENGINE EVER MADE) because I can absolutely assure you that a V12 F1 engine would have decimated this motor, even in the 1980's. In 1986, Renault introduced the pneumatic valvetrain and allowed for amazing revs. The highest redline achieved in F1 with a pneumatic valvetrain (that I know of) was 21,000RPM. The BMW V12 in the McLaren revved out to only 7,500 RPM, less than a typical Honda Civic VTEC engine of the time.
I loved when ammo did one like this back in the day. Any idea what this cost? In reality if I had an F1 the cost is priceless to maintain such a historical piece that will only appreciate with time
The difference is that Mr Ammo is only trying to sell you his "cleaning products". Hagerty is likely prepping this car for sale, and is using a bit of degreaser, some steam, and a few ordinary towels. No sales promotion for "super foam", 6-density brushes, and special polka-dot microfibre towels. He talks about "being aware of what you're doing"; this guy did the research to know that just wiping the heat shields would wipe off the gold plating.
@@hunterjohnson7393 who super hot take there my guy
Are you asking how much for the detail or the car?
Problably close to 30k or more for a complete service like this on THIS car.
That engine assembly alone is likely worth $1M or more by itself.
RIP Paul Rosche, left us with your masterpiece.
This guy has a Hell of a lot of patience, I usually just spray and go.
Please I need more of this guys detailing videos!!
This is real content, I don't care what anyone says. This is it
To me this is the greatest ICE ever designed and built
Relaxing!!! its really clean now :D
Sooooo clean🤤
That is next-level detailing. Bravo.
This was awesome. Thank you and great work!
This was super satisfying to watch. Great work on the engine, looks like I could eat my dinner off it
When I was younger I worked with a gentleman who did work on a lot of classic cars, mostly Jaguars and Ferraris. My two most important tools were clean rags and popsicle sticks. You'd be amazed at the intricate cleaning you can tackle if you take your time and use a little elbow grease.
i love this series
Beautiful job mate mate Beautiful engine
So excited to watch this.
outstanding work
This car and VW Corrado are bridge rear mirrors.
F1 and Corrado VR6 VSR (2.9 L) are super unicorn car😍
That thing is a work of art.
Just mesmerizing.
man thats one hell of a detail job 😁👍
I'd be nervous going near this piece of fine art.
that v12 is massive
Yeah because everyone complains how small V12 engines are
This is the content I’m here for ❤️
well done awesome video, very professional.
That's the holy grail of engines!
We need more Lemon Pledge.
I worked for an engineering company back in the 80's / 90's and they developed the CO2 cleaning process for the oil rig industry cleaning drill heads, so that was designed to clean oil/grease.
What an awesome thing to work on..
Nice work
A masterpiece
0:22 It's nice to know there are other constraints besides budgetary, preventing me from dropping one of these into an e38.
Wow, amazing
More F1 stuff please!!
I love this channel
is there a "beyond the details" playlist? i couldnt find it
Ouch when he hit the intake with the rotary tool I bet he felt that
Beautiful engine and this engine is the most powerfull NA V12 in mid 90's,my god🙃
I love these vids.... Like a brain massage.... Scratches my OCD itch
CDO
In the CORRECT frikken order
That's a dirty engine? Sheesh.
This looks like a $100,000 Car Wash
Jeeeesus, I hadn't realised how big it was.
Take off entire engine to clean it out!
Unbelievable!!!!!
The price of this detail cleaning should be astronomical!
It cost me $20k to do an engine out repair on my McLaren 650s (Not a major repair). I can only imagine how much this detailing service would cost on an F1 😬
Probably close to the same. Its detailing. Just cause of what engine it is doesnt mean its more to detail. You pay for the detailing expert, but not the type of engine
What type of reparation if I can ask?
Kind of ridiculous to pay much of anything for an engine detailing when you think about it. You can barely see the engine when it is installed, and if you actually drive your car (which you should) it is immediately going to start getting dirty again.
Remember, these are functional pieces of art, a little bit of dirt does nothing to affect its operation. You have to dial back your anal retentiveness and OCD when you are dealing with a car, and only apply that mentality to your food preparation instead.
Hopefully, you aren't licking the the engine block after every drive (but to each, his own.)
This is robbery.
The only car that you hear gold with its name
The expression is 'the best for the best'.
Nice vid
3:17 I’m shocked he’s not using dry ice!! It’s less damaging but cleans better. It would make the castings look like they just left the assembly line.
Yea the guy's kinda sloppy and not as detail oriented as I'd expect to be working on this car
It is sort of interesting that 1990's technology masterpiece is considered to be "old school" now...ruthless world.even heroes die😐
Was one of the upper control arms slightly bent?
Some of these before and after photos I couldn’t tell which was which
Love the look and sound of combustion engines. Always will. No electric anything will ever impress me like a combustion power plant. I could get emotional enough to shed some tears when an engine fires up, but an EV motor will never illicit emotion with me.
What did you use to clean the carbon fiber? Please I need to use what ever you used.
What brand of degreaser and steam machine?
Why steam is better than dry ice: degreasers work through dissolving the grime by lowering its PH value, and heat is a catalyst for this chemical reaction. So steam works better because heat is a better catalyst.
@iamdetailing dry ice cleaning. They would no doubt make this engine look new!
I greatly enjoy seeing all the parts bin bmw parts from the late 90’s on this thing. The idle motors still suck regardless of what they’re on!
I wonder how it would've turned out with a 6 + liter V-12 v-tec from Honda. It would've been one hell of an engine.
What chemicals were used? Also, what steamer is that?
What's the the music used in this video?
Does anybody know the name of the song starting at 10:37 ? I can not find it sadly :(
Ok, so anyone that can afford to have their Formula 1 cars engine removed and sent away for detailing is on another level of ‘I’m rich and you’re not’. Respect. 🙏
Stealing a comment from someone else: The greatest BMW engine ever to be made was never housed in a BMW.
I want to see that drivetrain in a Miata.
🔥🔥🔥🔥
that'll be $20k please
Мне бы этот двигатель в ЗАПОРОЖЕЦ
best to mark 'before'/'after' on the side-by-side part.
Not sure I believe that golden coating is coming off if a towel touches it. 🤔
Besides that comment, this was basic engine cleaning for most.
Fun engine and video.
What is the spray cleaner you are spraying on it?
Spartan SD20. Also used by race teams to remove rubber marks from cars
Not liking or subscribing till I hear it roar....come on Bill Hagerty, you can start that gorgeous engine...
its basically two euro s50b30 put into a V configuration.
What brand degreaser is being used?
Foamy Engine Brite. Same they use on Roadkill.
Spartan SD20. Used in the restaurant industry to clean range hoods. Will not stain bare aluminum.
love this! it's sooo nice, barely porn for my eyes...amazing job on an amazing and legendary engine!!!
Он же чистый был 😁
I feel like it would have been worth while to remove the belt, takes seconds, a monkey could do it, and it would grant much better access to the front of the block and the accessories. I imagine that if the engine is out the owners replacing it anyways, it's not like an F1 owner is going to get miserly over a $15 wear part while it's accessible when they have spent a 5 figure sum to have the engine removed and detailed.
Dry ace cleaning...
Equalize the music and the dialog sound please. I want to here what he is saying and then the music comes in so loud. Why are all of Beyond the Details videos like this?
I just want to remind everyone that BungeeGum has both the properties of Rubber and Gum
You well cultured man. Yes.
Next time, please try using the natural sounds, no music.
I just realized this engine looks like 2 BMW S54's put together.
This engine 2x M20B30.
I literally asked myself "Why isn´t he using dry-ice" like 5 secs before he answered it. What i´m really curious about tho is: How do you find out stuff like the fact, that that gold plating can´t even be touched without damaging it before you actually touched it?
Learned the hard way. I have cleaned and detailed over 40 F1s. I’ve been fortunate to be able to practice techniques on gold foil that was being replaced.
@@timmcnair4424 Oh, ok , that explains it ofc. 😅 Thank you very much for the reply, because i could find absolutely nothing anywhere online, other than the fact that the F1 has that gold plating in the first place. Impeccable job as always btw! 👌
"This is not something that you can just jump into and start spraying randomly" - My man acts like I'll ever have to worry about washing one of these in my life. If somebody asks me to wash their McLaren F1, I'll definitely evacuate that to a higher level of care.....