Cleaning a GPU the WRONG way
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- When we do these XOC overclocking videos, it can get pretty messy. Here is how I deep clean these GPUs back to "like new"
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Hey JAY!!! I used to work in a lab, so here is some hopefully useful advice to keep you safe and maybe save you some $$$. TLDR: You can concentrate your isopropyl alcohol, and don't breathe in the fumes.
If you want to concentrate your lower isopropyl alcohol so it can get to that 98%+ concentrations, you can pour some of your alcohol into a jar and add in lab-grade desiccants (look like tiny stone orbs)into the bottom. This will draw the water to the bottom allow you to draw up the concentrate at the top out. Note: Do not shake the jar afterward, you'll just mix it all back together... trust me, it was a headache when others would do that and it'd take up a couple days before we can use it again for our experiments.
Additionally; avoid breathing in those fumes! It'll irritate your lungs and cause potential problems. If you need to work in an area like that, use a fan to help push the fumes away from you and your wonderful cameraman, or use a pressurized area to work in like a fume hood to stop you from looking over it and hurting yourself. Each solution you have like that should have a chemical hazard sheet that you should read and have at your work station in case of emergencies... for legal and safety reasons. We want you to make more content safely.
Love your content and I am not trying to yell at you, just want you to live safely and happily with your family, and this helpful and supportive community. Stay sane and keep smiling.
Replying to this comment so that jay could read it. Keep safe jay!!
What about denatured alcohol? That is what I have always used for cleaning electronics.
Bumpity to the tip it’s topity
up voting this so jay will read it
yo jay listen to this science man
Jay, I work in medical manufacturing and we use these exact ultrasonic tubs. You do NOT want to use alcohol directly in the tub, its a massive safety hazard for a number of reasons. (We get training about this shit, seriously)
Instead, fill the tub with about 3-4 inches of water and then put the alcohol in a hotel pan or plastic bin inside the water. Much safer that way and it also helps control the (explosive) alcohol fumes you are experiencing there.
Same procedure in a physics lab.
Mimimi im so good at safety
@@SYNEED or... concerned about someone else's health.
Former electronics manufacturing worker here. And it cuts down on the waste IPA.. A lot!
Yeah completely agreed. Was shocked when he said he was going to fill it up. Also, he wrongly said you can use it more than once per fluid. Definitely should be changing it every time.
Why is this man putting a GPU in a deep fryer? Lol
because that's one way of frying the gpu faster
Higher temps = higher FPS!!!
cuz he's about to fry his opponents
@@Rick020 I've had it wrong all along :O
Instructions unclear: I breaded and deep fried my 3090. Is ok? Tastes delish tho. 😋
Louis Rossmann's cat Oreo has some expert thoughts and recommendations on how to do this right.
Here's a link to it: ua-cam.com/video/7N1wm169ZOs/v-deo.html
Oreo really is overworked...deserves a vacation.
@@frollard there wont be one as long clinton is around
@@frollard Oreo can get as long as a break he wants to, he got fired.
why nodoby already tagged mr Rossmann in this XD?
"How jay destroyed his studio with an alcohol vapor explosion"
Ultrasonic cleaner tip. Put the card in a plastic bag and fill the bag with the alcohol. Then set the bag in the cleaner and fill the remainder of the tank with water.
**Distilled water**
@@zuminlair92cp Distilled water is only somewhat important when it contacts the parts you're cleaning.
@@TheMrTapejust in case the bag breaks or opens?
"Smells like steak."
Somebody from Craigslist: That idiot thought my deep fryer was an ultrasonic cleaner!
Hahahahaha! This joke is gold! :D
Reminds me of fryers in hospitality working days.
Maybe someone will bring his GPU to McDonalds and ask if they can clean it in potato fryer :D
A Scottish invention? A-la deep-fried Mars bars.
That was funny.
Louis Rossmann: *anger noises*
wait why? xD
@@JustMe-lb8dz ipa in ultrasonic cleaner bad, also flamable liquid that is heated up
Again he does no research on the correct(safe way) to clean computer components. IPA does work, but this is not the correct or safest way. IPA is only used after the ultrasonic cleaning (not in the ultrasonic cleaner) to remove the Cleaner & Distilled Water. This is what you use to clean computer components in a ultrasonic cleaner: amzn.to/3agJpns + Distilled Water. Louis has a long video on this. ua-cam.com/video/3-YZw24I9FA/v-deo.html
@@pheelix- Well in this particular case he follow the advice of a person who works for EVGA (Kingpin), i can't fault him for follow the advice on how to clean a gpu from someone who literally works for a gpu maker company, so in this one i would put the blame on that dude and not Jay for following the advice of a person that it's supposed to know what he's talking about.
Blaming Jay here would be like blaming a patient for doing something that while it's wrong, it was erroneously advised by a doctor, there are certain professionals from whom you expect to have blind trust in, and you guys need to understand that Jay is not a professional...anything? he's a youtuber and follows advice on people who are supposed to know what they're talking about.
@@trackno.1875 In the Kingpin video, Kingpin even says how dangerous using IPA is and warns those who think to use it. I will rewatch the video, but I don't remember Jay giving any warnings about the dangers of working with IPA or the effects a ultrasonic cleaner can do to someone at a microscopic level if they stick there hand in the tank whilie its on. And he should of learned his lesson from the Shunt Soldering Video he did and watch some videos from someone who works with this stuff everyday. When I got my ultrasonic I didn't just watch 1 video and then go at it. He really needs to do more research before trying to show people how to clean there PC Parts.
"How to create a gigantic blast risk by using large cheap ultrasonic cleaner and flammable liquids"
Got that Rossman degree?
PRO TIP: If you put the card in a sealable glass container (even with a plastic lid), you only need to fill the container with alcohol. The cleaner can be filled with demineralised water. The sound (ultrasonics) will pass straight through the glass. If it is like cleaners I’ve used before, the emitters are up the sides of the cleaner, so placing the card sideways will yield a better result. Imagine tiny blasts travelling from the sides to the centre. Keep in mind, you may need to flip the card inside the container as the effectiveness of the cleaning through the plastic lid will be diminished. Also good using solvents in glass jars for car parts!
Distilled water is only somewhat important when it contacts the parts you're cleaning.
Edit brotip
Use magnets for faster acquiring
You can also use a zip-lock (surrounding water type doesn't matters).
pretty sure 99% isopropyl is a fire hazard. Louis Rossman did a good video on how to use one safely at some point.
Yup, Nasa has a warning in their chemicals section about how it shouldnt be used in ultrasonic cleaners, since its creating vapor at higher levels and any small spark from electronics turning on/off (especially if using the heater on a cleaner), can turn the ultrasonic cleaners body into a small explosive chamber.
Even though I like Jay, this video can potentially kill somebody.
He also could use distilled water it would be cheaper
Especially when temperature goes up. Fumes are most dangerous. If decent amount goes to air and find source it can cause explosion.
Also be careful Jay. Scared me when he breathed in the fumes.
@@MarshallSambell The entire point of this is to get water out from behind the components... so using water would kind of be defeating the purpose lol
Even ultrasound isn’t enough to clean The Verge’s CPU, CPU cooler, and Motherboard.
OH MY GOD THE THERMAL PASTE
@Uranium 233 weed, booze and crack?
@@fattyfatchops Seems like my kind of childhood.
All of you newbies probably never built a computer and when you do you probably use $500 worth of parts give it a f****** rest already and move on with your lives you low IQ minions
@@liite5848 just built a $1300 PC 2 weeks ago. Most of it is eaten by Ryzen 5 5600x and RTX 3070 FE. You good mate?
Jay: "I wish I had a clean toothbrush."
Also Jay: Has an ultrasonic cleaner literally right in front of him.
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@@Calango741 he might've meant using the ultrasonic cleaner on an old toothbrush then using that
He should invest in a small domestic unit to clean small items like tools, jewellry, watches, etc. That only needs water and some (for anything with glass/plastic/lenses) plastic holders/trays, which normally come with the unit.
@@strichtarn3228 yeah that's what I was getting at lol.
“I wish I had a clean toothbrush” if only there was a $300 cleaning device that was right in front of me! LOL that was a good one jay
"Worst part of painting is the cleaning"
Can confirm as a 20+ year professional painter.
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JayzTwoCents
what kind of air brush do u youse ?
You will destroy that cleaner if you don't fill it up with water to the line, put the gpu inside a plastic zip-bag or glass container with the alcohol inside it.
it is recommended to fill it to the water line but it might not break since i believe that unit doesnt have a warming element to warm up the liquids yes it can break but unless it has the warming element it will not be that high of a risk that it breaks
@@unluckyrgg It has a warming element, Jay even said he turned it on.
@@Sandriell oh i didnt hear that sorry then its fucked
@@unluckyrgg i guess the water also cools the ultrasonic transducers. its not about the heating elements.
You never put IPA in this cleaner, as it has an explosive element.. and many people have exploded laboratories from doing this he got lucky he didn't explode his studio.
Next video: Jay installing a range hood over his table.
Unless it is an intrinsic fume hood it will most likely cause an explosion. This whole episode is literally a lesson in what not to do. You use a proper cleaning solution in the us cleaner, them use isopropanol to get rid of the cleaner and deox agent.
What he just did here is very dangerous.
@@steen8156 That reminds me of somebody who used methanol instead of Trichloroethylene as a solvent and blew up a fume hood.
Jay I have to say, after watching you dip the tip of your finger in the cleaner. Please DO NOT submerge your hands or any body parts inside the ultrasonic cleaner while it's running, unless you want arthritis a lot sooner than you would otherwise. The vibrations in the liquid will destroy the cartilage and stuff inside the joints of your fingers (or any body parts). I work on Medical equipment in hospitals and labs, and ultrasonic cleaners are one of them. This is one of the things they drill into our heads before we ever touch an ultrasonic cleaner.
Hi Jay, I study engineer and metals and we have these ultrasonic cleaner in our lab that we use, a good way to save alcohol/acetone(we use acetone), is to fill the machine with water and use a smaller container to just hold the thing you wanna clean and the alcohol, the fluid is just to transfer the ultrasonic, so you don't need to actually fill it with alcohol but rather just use mostly water. Also, the machine wont be contaminated and can keep clean cause the smaller container will catch the washed off stuff.
Next time you see Jay without eyebrows and eyelashes, you know he was using his ultrasonic cleaner with 99% IPA and things didn't go his way.
How to clean your PC:
Google: *Shows this video*
Bing: "Hose it down!"
LOL \_(O_O)_/
i mean with retro boards you might want to, its common practice to even put your boards in the dishwasher
ua-cam.com/video/54ma6UKXEig/v-deo.html
Bing: Take you to dell website and add 4 years of warranty in the cart without the pc
I hose down motherboards and graphics card PCB’s all the time with my garden hose, you just have to make sure everything like heatsinks is removed and then leave it in the sun to dry
Tomorrow’s video: JTC overclocks the supersonic cleaner
I can't wait for Louis Rossman's reaction video to this!
i remember how he talked about not complaining to him when you had the dumb idea to put ipa into the ultrasonic cleaner and burning your house down. also, dont put your fingers into a running ultrasonic cleaner. might destroy your bones.
This video scared the shit outta me. UA-camrs do some of the stupidest stunts.
Yeah wasn't Louis' method using distilled water instead then a soak in ipa to displace the water away?
Anyways it's Vince's fault, so go hate on him lol
derchesten are you sure Vince told him to use isopropanol in the us cleaner? The guy strikes me as a smart cookie, where jay is entertaining.
@St een you're right, seems totally out of character for Vince, he's literally a hardware surgeon. Jay most likely misunderstood Vince's instructions.
But in 4:30 Jay says "it is my understanding after talking to Vince that this is appropriate for thinks" lol I'm slightly suspicious
8:20 While it has very low conductivity. Isopropyl alcohol can still kill electronics if you run them while they are still wet. You can never guarantee the purity of a solvent like IPA after you spill it on something
Might want to check the manual for your machine, some of them REALLY don't like being partially filled and will destroy the traducers.
Another thing, if you can get one that is deep enough for a card to fit vertically it will help with getting the particles to move off the card and settle in the bottom of the ultrasonic.
He bought a JACUZZI for his gpu how nice of him
You mean a JAYCUZZI😂
This series with overclocking the GPU is really interesting, also it's very nice to see your development
Substitute title: JayzTwoCents sniffs a couple tablespoons of 99% alcohol
Nick's enthusiasm is a mood
Jay: How to clean computer parts.
Everybody: How to make a bomb with alcohol.
Never ever use flammable liquids in things like parts washers. One spark and BOOM. There are much safer ways to achieve the same effect.
Jay: Renames the video in the wake of new information.
I love this part of the tech community on UA-cam
that's what i thought!! bc i have burned alcohol before so even if it wouldn't catch on fire in the ultrasonic clearer, maybe the alcohol would leave residue that would cause problems, with cooling the card....
He used 99.9% alcohol though, so he will be fine.
Good thing Jay reads the comments. :)
I really would like to know if he intentionally tries to catch up with the verge.
@@techdiyer5290 ahh what residue would alcohol leave behind exactly.
There wouldn't be anything left behind to catch fire when it evaporates.
@@madmax2069 / but ones using it should make sure to ventilate their room frequently.
Turns out, that professional overclocker? He knows his stuff and what he is talking about. Who knew right?
It was horrifying watching him almost blow away a $1500 graphics card like it was a wayward leaf.
it's a Kingpin edition so worth way more than that, but it is also designed for the purpose of extreme overclocking
Good name for a song or band that lol
For the record, pure water just like alcohol is non-conductive. It doesn't evaporate easily like alcohol though.
Lewis Rossman uses demineralized water on all the MacBooks. If they can survive it an EVGA graphics card can too.
Watching this...and then watching Louis' take on it. This should be good....there were a few points I was like "why are you doing X" already....can't wait to hear Louis.
Jay if you going to do this alot go to nail supply store. You can get gallons and cheaper if you buy by the case witch is 4 gallons. Also i would recommend hanging it metal and metal contact from the tray sitting on the bottom will cause it to rub on the PCB or board. I use it on hardened metal parts that get scratched.
Never this early. I was expecting it to be jayfourcents
Well ultrasonic cleaners WERE available until the scalpers saw this video. Thanks Jay
Good try.
Finally! Someone is using ultrasonic cleaner too for cleaning computer parts!
We use one to clean motherboards at our repair shop and this is correct. There's special deionized water that you buy that's way cheaper and works just as well
A trick we use in RC to clean bearings. Fill USC with water. Then Using a smaller container fill that with your cleaning liquid and put it in. 2 benefits less risk of combustion of agent and less agent needed. I use a beaker for bearings, but any material for smaller container will work, plastic, glass , etc
Now THAT would have definitely been a MUCH SMARTER and SAFER thing to do than what they did with the 99% alcohol which is EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE out in the open!! 👍👍
Hey Jay, I work at a Napa Auto Parts and we use Mac's Thermo-aid (part # 7100) to disinfect everything. It consists of 99.9% isopropyl alcohol. That might be a cheaper option.
That’s one drunk graphics card!
"Stop inhaling Jay"
I'm pretty sure your body would object.
For the love of everything that is holy DO NOT follow jayz's advice in a closed or poorly ventilated room and make absolutely sure not to sniff to close to the IPA bath, at that concentration and quantity the vapors can irritate your airways and eyes.
You can actually pass out from this and never wake up.
Usually, he states that his studio is well ventilated but yee... It's a yikes that he didn't mention that.
Hey jay love your content, you can use way less fluid by filling the cleaner with water, then using a zip lock bag for the card with IPA in it. This was the gross stuff stays in the bag and doesn’t get all over the ultrasonic cleaner.
That’s a huge cleaner, and can’t believe the price you got it for......
Gotta say @JayzTwoCents you changing the title of this vid, guessing from Louis’s comment/vid; is COOL, & shows the humble/humility you have.....and not making big deal of “being wrong” etc.... (hope get what mean).
Cool to everyone being adults, not having social media war and blah blah blah.
Like you and Louis and the TechTuber community is TRULY AWESOME, and again, think your awesome for not pulling vid/comments/likes/dislikes.....and just edit title, making a “fun joke” of the situation.
Congrats bro👍🏻👍🏻
Happy new year✌🏼
Now imagine someone lighting a match 6 feet away
jay you're a smart cookie, you know about ventilation.....! good video but be safe!
Jay, you know 2020 is never going to end so these daily uploads will have to continue for eternity. 😁
Awesome Jay! A few days ago I sent you a message exactly asking for a deep cleaning pc parts video. I dunno how I´m going to get a ultrasonic cleaner but you nailed it! Thanks for the video!
Hi Jay
Put your part in a baggie, full that with the cleaning solution, and then drop that into your Ultrasonic cleaner that has enough just plain water. Stops you having to keep changing your expensive solutions. Stops you wasting the expensive stuff, and you only dirty a small amount at a time. The ultrasonic cleaner also then never needs to be cleaned out
did you read the instructions about the minimum level. It looked too empty. also putting alcohol in an ultrasonic cleaner is an explosive risk lol
Should've thrown the brush in with the card.. you would've had a clean one to use 😆
came from Louis Rossmann's channel
Place I used to work at switched to perchloroethylene instead of isopropyl. It's non-flammable, and less volatile. Don't worry about using super pure solvent in the cleaner. As soon as you put the board in the cleaner, all the solvent is now dirty. The only way to clean it properly is to use the super pure solvent as a rinse after you take the board out of the cleaner. We used squirt bottles to do the rinse and you just let it all flow into the cleaner.
Jay, be careful using the heater with solvents. It is a big nono!
Supposedly combustion can happen. I do it all the time, but keep the temp on the lowest setting. lol
Protip- use plastic or glass jars for cleaning smaller items. Fill the cleaner with distilled water and only place the solvent in the container with your parts. makes cleanup a breeze.
The ultrasonic cleaner be like:
"Do you ever feel, like a plastic bag?"
"It burns, but it makes you know you're ALIVE"
Yes Chef, thank you Chef. Though it's usually lemon juice. That's what reminds us. Haha
lol, i can relate as a cook XD lemon juice and the pinches of salt lol..make you think how did a manage to get so many lil cuts XD
last time i was this early, jay was still digressing 🤔
ABD... Always Be Digressing
Jay a bench grinder is what we used as a ultrasonic cleaner. turn it on and have the container touch the grinder housing on the table.
We used this style of cleaner for electronics in the USAF. If I remember this correctly (I separated from USAF in 1990) we used a coffee cone filter when we drained it so we could look for residue left. That told us how much work it did. Sweet memories. Thanks.
How to scratch a table:
Step 1: 0:02
Pretty sure its on feet
Jay: Jay stop breathing
This gives me anxiety
I'm sure someone else has already said this, but you can fill the tank with water and have a smaller container that just fits the graphics card sit in the middle of the tank. Fill that smaller container with alcohol. It will work just about as well, but require much less alcohol.
When I do this I put it in for significantly longer. (Like 3-4 hours). Let it warm and run 3 or 4 cycles on each side. Always works great!!
"the memory is gone"
8:20 yeah and it's extremely flammable too!
extremely is kinda pushing it my man, we don't even burn it as fuel, and meanwhile there are things out there that catch fire if you look at them the wrong way...
I'd rather watch old people f***ing than watch Jay smear his hand on a perfectly clean stainless surface again.
Tec-solv is used in the aerospace industry for cleaning hardware. Also, conformal coating prevents the ingress of water in components.
Ultra sonic cleaners are awesome. The one i use at work has three tanks that each hold about 30 gallons. The first tank is the cleaning tank with the ultra sonics. The second take is a rinse tank with neutralizers because the chemicals we use in the first tank are a bit harsh. Then the third tank has a rust inhibitor to help keep parts from rusting. Parts with flash rust if you don't use the 2nd and 3rd tank. We can't clean aluminum (and other metals that i can't remember), though. The chemical we use will eat the aluminum.
Next video: How I burnt down my studio
1:48 triggered the hell out of me.
Cleans it, immediately proceeds to spit on it by blowing on it
just a little good luck spit 😛
Didn't you know, Jayztwocents spit is good for 20 Mhz extra on boost clock.
When using that type of ultra sonic cleaner, put a block of wood under each rubber pad to raise it up, there is a cooling fan in the base of the cleaner sucking air up into it, if not raised up the fan cannot get enough air and the cleaner will overheat (that's why they say only run it for 20 mins then let it cool down, when raised up on 5cm (2 inch) blocks at each corner, the cleaner can run for extended periods of time (40 mins +) without the electronics getting hot.
The movement between the basket and PCB can actually result in damage to the PCB. In the failure analysis lab I use 1/4" or 1/8" plastic beads in the bottom of the bath (no basket) to reduce the probability of damage and also reduce the amount of liquid (alcohol) needed.
Oreo is in shambles after watching this.
Can I just put my entire pc in one of those?
Ofc you can. But that is not a good idea. IPA is s potent organic solvent. And may damage plastic stuff.
IPA and Ultrasonic cleaner = Combustion!
You need to use Branson or similar mixed with Distilled water.
Generally speaking and a good rule of thumb for day to day general cleaning is for every 10 degrees Celcius increase in the fluid yeilds roughly a 10% increase in cleaning efficiency up to around 65% of the boiling point of the fluid used (different horses for different courses though so bear that in mind as the rule doesn't always apply to specialist cleaning fliuds and fields). With temperature also come evaporation though so you will lose fluid much faster.
I work with ultrasonic cleaners every day. Found out about a year ago you should never put body parts into a running ultrasonic cleaning. I was skimming through the comments just in case someone already said it. But more people seemed to be fixated on the alcohol vapors. While watching the video i waited to see if you'd do what I'd hope you would stick your finger in the cleaner while it was running. The process of ultrasonic can damage skin cells and aerate the blood and do serious damage to joint tissue. Just an fyi not trying to be a busy body just a heads up. Wouldn't want anything bad to happen be safe.
"Computer cable" AKA kettle lead, standard for everything.
As someone who works in a lab, MAKE SURE YOU ARE WELL VENTILATED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS!
HE WORKS IN A WAREHOUSE. WHY YELL?
Jay, please make a video on how to transfer Windows from one drive to another. There is not a lot of straight forwards tutorials on UA-cam. Hope you see this. Thx
Don't know if anyone has noted this yet, but I really appreciate the low music in the background it's quite soothing :D
Use conformal coating on the card, petroleum jelly is only a short temporary fix to keep water off. For any significant length of time you want to use conformal coating to protect the board.
Should use it in a well ventilated space. the Fumes can damage your lungs Jay........
is an open warehouse well ventilated enough? just stop sniffing it...
Lol Jay....you got the message....the wrong way hahaha.....Louis Rossman made it clear....get it...clear? 😬
Don't be a dick.
@@WillParker322 love the comprehension of a joke :) Lova ya!
DON'T search google "Deep Clean" with safe search off ....
I just spray on brake parts cleaner. It cleans very well, dries almost immediately, and leaves no residue. It stinks REALLY bad and you MUST use it outdoors or you can get VERY nauseated and even pass out! Many years ago, I had a similar experience using dry cleaning fluid indoors without adequate ventilation. It's quite similar to brake cleaner. I got so sick and nearly passed out that I could not get anywhere near even a small whiff of it for YEARS afterward without being nauseated!
Jay.
Can also airbrush them with alcohol(no paint) instead of using the vat. Ultrasonic cleaner is amazing, but blasting with the airbrush works just as well.
Jay, have you thought about putting a mask on to minimize the amount of fumes inhaled?
You mean like a cloth mask, or an N95 mask? That... would not help. Particles too small.
You mean, how to accidentally break your components while “cleaning” to give yourself an excuse to go out and buy brand new components 😂
Jay is such a fangirl he is always saying Vince said this or that 😂😂
It's good to see some professional electronic cleaning techniques making their way in to the domestic market. Probably still be a while before you have heated wash tanks, 50C ovens and Vacuum ovens appearing though. I love seeing peoples faces the first time they see us cleaning their very expensive electronic equipment in a hot bath of alkaline. Even after over 20 years of electro-mechanical restoration, the look of raw panic makes me smile.
I use an ultrasonic cleaner on my bike, cleans the chain & cassette up beautifully for nice crispy responsive gears.
Rossman says no to this!
Eeek! Don't put your fingers in when the machine is on. You might dissolve damage your bones.
Der8auer meanwhile: puts everything in the dishwasher 😂
probably even more effective especially if he soaks it in alcohol afterwards to get rid of the water
That satisfaction after seeing gpu clean and fresh
I work in a lab, and use ultrasonicatiors on a daily basis. You don't need to fill it with isoprop alcohol. You can just as well fill it with water, which tends to be cheaper, and just submerge a dish with the isoprop and electronics that you wish to clean into the water. Obviously it needs to be floating so that water doesn't enter the dish, but the ultrasonicating power will go straight through the glass or whatever material you choose to have your dish be made out of.
You could save a significant amount of cleaning agent by doing this. Also, you shouldn't run it dry.