David Wood CONFRONTS Apostate Prophet on GOD
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- David Wood tries to forcibly convert AP to believing in God and fails.
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I hate it when mom and dad fight
All the bad times are passed , keep your cool
😂 best comment so far
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😂😂😂 yeah this was rough
Just because some people never questioned what they are told is not a good reason to not believe in a God. Don't let others living in ignorances stop you from searching yourself.
Skeptical thought clearly is not for you, so you stay in your indoctrination. It is safe. It's also rather sad
@@Bert-Beukemayou call someone bad at arguing and then proceed to appeal to indoctrination as an argument
The sad thing is, as all of us that are Christians, David word will be worried about apostate profits soul
David is true Bible believing Christian
So he knows the fate of those that do not enter the ark
It must trouble him greatly
If you're reading this David keep working on him 🙏🏻
I'm an anti-theist, religion is ok but the big 3 are all preposterous and laughably so.
I'm an anti-theist, religion is ok"
The Religion Of Secular Humanism/Atheism ... The Humanist Manifestos declare:
According to the Humanist Manifestos I & II: Humanism is “a philosophical, religious, and moral point of view.” - Paul Kurtz, in the preface to Humanist Manifestos I & II (Buffalo, NY: Prometheus Books, 1973), p. 3.
“These affirmations [in the Manifestos] are not a final credo or dogma but an expression of a living and growing faith.” - Kurtz, Humanist Manifestos I & II, p. 24.
A good way to determine whether a worldview is a religion is to look for certain characteristics that religions have in common. The framework set forth by Ninian Smart (Smart, N., 1996. Dimensions of the sacred: an anatomy of the world’s beliefs. HarperCollins, London.), commonly known as the Seven Dimensions of Religion, is widely accepted by anthropologists and researchers of religion as broadly covering the various aspects of religion, without focusing on things unique to specific religions.
The seven dimensions proposed by Smart are narrative, experiential, social, ethical, doctrinal, ritual and material. Not every religion has every dimension, nor are they all equally important within an individual religion. Smart even argues that the ‘secularization’ of western society is actually a shift of focus from the doctrinal and ritual to the experiential.
“Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion-a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint-and Mr [sic] Gish is but one of many to make it-the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.
“… Evolution therefore came into being as a kind of secular ideology, an explicit substitute for Christianity.” - Ruse, M., How evolution became a religion. National Post, pp. B1,B3,B7 May 13, 2000. [Michael Ruse was professor of philosophy and zoology at the University of Guelph, Canada].
You'll NEVER learn truth living in an echo chamber.
"but the big 3 are all preposterous and laughably so"
Ipse dixit, re Christianity. When you're ready ...
I'm a theist, non-belief is okay, but the big 3 (anti-theist, athiest, and agnostic) are preposterous and laughably so.
No
I never really liked AP and DW, but now I am addicted. You guys cheer me up and really are so knowledgeable about your topics and just so much fun to listen to.
Except for the part where DW didn't know about Dr Disrespect... Exploded my little zoomer brain...
@@mr.dingleberry4882
I mean, not everyone knows who Dr. Disrespect is. I didn't know who he was for a long time, and I am a zoomer.
@@mr.dingleberry4882 forsenCD
AP and DW are like CatDog. 😅
Tom jerry
@K-nq5jf Catdog is a cartoon character where a dog and cat are attached together with one body and only four legs. The heads point in different directions.
In my opinion if AP comes to Christ he'll legitimately be one of the best apologists out there, he's very knowledgeable and his life journey is very relatable.
Yeah he'll be really good at apologizing for all the Genocides Yahweh commited
@@artv.9989 that comment makes as much sense as saying "Genocides death committed". God is so above human concepts like genocide that's ridiculous to use them even in the same sentence.
@@artv.9989 or ignoring rather than apologising.
@@Watheverable So do you praise his acts of what we humans call genocides and baby killing then?
@@artv.9989i answer this million of times
There is no genocide in thr bible it just the bible is using a hypropolic way
Becuze you can see that the amalak and the canniet still live in the bible
The best thing is that they both are not radical Islamist. Nothing worse than radical Islamist
right? They're like liberals who claim to be tolerant of all except to those who disagree with them.
Radical Anti-theist communists are worse
Depends if you believe the Bible, agnostics atheists and Islamists are all in rebellion to God's word and are heading to the same end.
@@TimesIDFBuriedinRafah9 Be a muslim is not wrong, but don't be radical.
@@TimesIDFBuriedinRafah9ah yes, Zakir Naik, or as I call him the fabricator
I’d love for AP to do a similar stream and raise these reservations with InspiringPhilosophy!
Agreed. I think AP needs someone with emotionality to discuss this with. David is an excellent polemicist, but his apologetics kinda suffer in this video without some emotional support.
@@alexr.3504dw has psychopath syndrome
I really love how AP can have yhese debates and stoll maintain his thoughts on religion. From one educated atheist to another, thank you
What do you mean exactly? 🧐 Would you love it less if he changed his mind on some of his stances due to these discussions? Why is it commendable to maintain all the thoughts he already had? Wouldn’t it be just as valid to change your opinion after encountering new perspectives? 🧐🧐
"For our fight is not against flesh and blood..." Ephesians 6:12 sums it up. It is all about allegiance and everything revolves around it. Good debate.
How David engages in these topics with AP is truly inspiring. How a friend can differ and engage with grace, humour and patience. AP is so lucky to have such a friend.
Yeah, both of you need to read Dr. Michael Heiser's books. (Unseen realm, and the angels and demons pair of books) The isrealites believed in the seen and unseen Yahweh. Jesus was rejected as messiah because they believed a political warrior leader king like David would appear. Not some peasant from Nazareth
Who will travel thousands of miles to hear Ridvan preach after he accepts Jesus as his Lord and Saviour? 🙋♀️
But why?
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet
Because why not?
I'm in the same boat as Ridvan - Agnostic who calls himself Atheist. Love Jesus and The Father, and I wish I could believe in them.
Damn right I'd be there.
@@TheDoctorOfPainAndWeebz So why don't you believe in Them?
@@michael678.67xtian The idea of encapsulating the transcendental in the mundane words of man.
Like, Jesus is the ideal man - some guy who travels around just helping people, and bringing them revelations? Wonderful. Truly ideal.
The idea of the Bible - godliness explained in the word of man? - ehhh. Doubtful of that. Especially the old testament - that's kinda crazy.
I'd like to believe - but it's like asking you to believe in leprechauns - you just can't make yourself do it.
I pray, I try to be a good person - it most often actually helps - but that's still not enough to believe in say...
Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."
Like, get kicked in the nuts too hard and you can't enter heaven? Seriously? That's wack bro!
Love God, Love Jesus - Thankful to exist - but the bible is the outlier in my perspective. I believe an almighty being wouldn't transfer his message in the word of man, he'd etch it across our very souls, something incorruptible and permanent (unlike the word of man) - and therein I really believe that we find this compulsion to be moral creatures.
Someone out their cares.
Please forgive the long-winded reply :')
Atheist and agnostic are not in opposition.
Most Atheists are agnostic. Gnostic Atheists are incredibly rare.
I am an Agnostic Deist.
@@JohnStopman 👍
To be honest any atheists or theist that assert being gnostic about God come off as arrogant, since nobody can prove the position.
@@Archanox Agreed 👍
most theists are agnostics too
Interesting how AP hates this version of himself.
It had me think... maybe what gets to the core of his being, making him angry is when he sees himself in a Muslim.
Sees how naive he was in the past.
And the frustration of having to deal with that kind of person, someone who will waste his time, enrages him.
Good insight!
01:03:50: That comparison to flat earth has to be the weakest analogy I've ever heard. Quite well answered by AP too but DW just didn't get it, so it got more and more absurd!
02:20:10: Holy strawman batman 😂
"What's the meaning of x?"
"Well you're saying there is no meaning"
"No, I'm asking you"
"No you're saying something you never said, I know you are"
"It's just a question"
"LALALALALA PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME ANSWER BLAAAAARGH"
I was born in atheist SU and became Christian. there is nothing to conclude about truth of belief or ideology from beeing born somewhere.
SU?
@@johnnyjohn-johnson7738 Probably Soviet Union
It's about statistics of huge numbers, not individual cases. Most people are still influenced by the culture and belief they were raised in. For example, most Chinese are either atheists, Buddhists or Taoists, most Iranians are Muslims, most Indians are Hindus, etc.
@@Markus-hq1gh corect
@proodjjuice-hz5sn Soviet Union is how we called it every day, Not Union of soviet socialist republics.
The kalam cosmological argument is pretty airtight if you really study it
Free will is not about morality. It is about LOVE. You do good to show love, not to get salvation.
For protestants only faith is needed to be save, for catholics faith + work (being good man or woman).
In regards to the divine hiddenness discussion, I would say that not everyone would immediately bend the knee if God revealed himself in a more obvious way. DW brought up how Satan and Adam/Eve, despite being in the literal presence of God and likely conversing with him face to face, still mustered up the ability to rebel against God.
A few more examples include Abraham's wife Sarah laughing at the physical incarnation of God when He said she would have a son and then lying to Him denying that she laughed.
The prophet Jonah who ran away from God's command and even after his experience with the whale, the repentance of Nineveh, and the plant that provided him shade, he still argued with God and was angry with Him.
Also in Revelation when God reveals Himself to the whole world it says that all kinds of people (the wealthy, the powerful, the slave, the free) hid in caves and wished that the mountains would fall down on them to hide them from the face of God.
And the list goes on. Point is, for a lot of people, their lack of conviction for a belief in God is not the deciding factor and is not the only thing holding them back from fully embracing God and his commands. I can't speak for everyone, but in my opinion the question of "Does God exist?" is generally an irrelevant topic. Whether or not God hides himself it would not impact people's allegiances.
Instead, I think the question of "Can a good God exist?" or "Is God good?" is the more important one and the one most atheist/agnostics usually mean when they challenge theism. (Hence why the universal objection to God is 'If God really exists then how come _________?' and fill in the blank with moral problem of your choice)
To possibly answer y'alls question around why there was such a change with Biden from the debate to when he was speaking the next day, if the speaking engagement was earlier in the day then he likely suffers from "sundowners". A lot of patients Ive worked with over the years have had it as its fairly common for ppl with dementia, alzheimers & even some that have had traumatic brain injuries due to gun shot wounds, car wrecks, aneurysms etc. Its a very noticable decrease in overall functioning, increase in forgetfulness etc in the evening time on into the night then when they wake up in the morning they will have a higher level of functioning etc. It's very noticable when it kicks in which again is typically in the evening time around the time the sun is going down, hence it being known as "sundowners". Im not a doctor but Ive worked in a few positions in the medical/healthcare/allied science field for well over 20yrs & that is far more likely the situation than there being that much of a delay in any type of med/drug they would try to give someone. Even if they were to give him something like Adderall he could have had an adverse reaction to it hence the mouth gaping, nodding etc (and if the person does have dementia etc/is sundowning its not going to magically give them more clarity etc it would just make them more alert) & its onset window would have been long passed by the time he spoke the next day. Especially for someone of his age who would naturally have overall decreased organ function so would have a much lower absorption rate, decreased motility etc
Speaker concluding at a flat-earther convention: "...and with this, I suggest to you, my honored colleagues, we travel all around the globe and spread the truth.."
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AP study the evidence for and against christianity. Ask God "if you are there please help me". If you find the evidence for it strong then the other questions you have are to be put aside until God reveals the answers to you. I dont understand eternal suffering either. But i find the evidence strong in favor of Jesus. I dont have to understand everything because Gods ways and thoughts are vastly greater than i could understand. I put my complete trust in Jesus even though i cant understand everything about why He allows eternal suffering. He will show me the answer in His time. I will pray for God to help you doubts.
Are you asserting this 'God' is a _reality?_
Pinky and the Brain! 💪🥰😄
Fun fact: "The Brain" was based on Orson Wells being a dickhead. 😂
I wonder if Pinky was the genius and Brain was insane.
I wonder if Pinky was the genius and Brain was insane.
AP: God isn't real, look at the PRO00oF * shows random maps*
DW: I don't know what he said, I don't think he knows either
Ouch! You need a summary or time stamps on this magnum opus! I'd love to watch it, but 4+ hours is way too much. Who has that kind of free time?
You could always watch it on different days.
Or listen while doing chores etc@@davidnewhart2533
I have concluded that you two just need to ask Mike winger..What the meaning of life is
there is nothing scarier to the Dizzle than the thought of becoming a wingaling
42.
atheist is closer to god than a radical muslim is
No it's not they're in the same boat 🥺 both are lost and on our way to a devil's hell.
@@bryonstevenson1084 I can take on the devil I don't care.
@@ElDrHouse2010 let me guess you don't believe you exist. Just please do me a favor read Romans 3:23 Romans 6:23 and Romans 10:9
@@bryonstevenson1084 I exist. I have physical presence. The devil does not so I'm not worried about it, its just a concept, a figment of the human imagination.
@@ElDrHouse2010 if you believe that evil exists, then you already have the concept of devil integrated into your psyche. Of course i'm not talking about mythological devil.
"No worshippers of YHWH before Abraham" is a fallacy. According to Genesis there were many true worshipers before but Abraham was the one chosen through whom the earlier promised "seed" (or offspring) would be born through whom all nations will be blessed, and the Serpent will be crushed 🥾🐍
Seed is promised to Eve (Gen 3:15)
Offspring narrowed to:
Seth (Gen 4:16)
Noah (Gen 6:18)
Abraham (Gen 12:1,Gen 17:7)
Isaac (Gen 17:19, Gen 17:21)
Jacob (Gen 25:23)
David (2 Samuel 7:12-16; Psalm 2)
Jesus (Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Micah 5:2)
Gal 3:16 - Offspring is singular - Jesus
But hypothetically even if there were 0 true worshippers at the time of Abraham, still God's purpose was being accomplished through those people to bring the Salvation to all nations, as promised.
Those people are the ancestors of Abraham ➜Isaac➜Israel➜...➜Jesus; and also their enemies, and God is glorified even in his enemies, so it really makes no sense to say "It was meaningless" from the Christian perspective, even if hypothetically 0 true worshippers existed at that time.
That is a good reminder that people like to unintentionally strawman the opposition when they reach conclusions.
His point was that he does not belief in God because most people belief what their culture says. From that he builds up the argument that in Christianity and Islam, God sends everybody to hell who is not a believer. Which means the free will of the people is not the significant factor of what brings us to heaven. That is immoral and therefor he doesn't belief in that God.
What are the problems of that argument:
1. He got that entire chain of argument from the secular German atheism. So based on his own logic, he didn't reason to it but instead just came to it because of where he grew up.
2. Even in the Bible there are non-Christians who are saved. I'm not sure about Islam, but there I find it confusing what causes someone to be saved. So this argument is a strawman.
3. Both Christianity and Islam have versions where free will is not really that relevant in the first place and God is the major or sometimes even the exclusive deterministic factor. So that can't be brought up against those two religions as a whole.
4. To the best of my knowledge, Atheists can't be defenders of objective morals. If he says it is immoral according to the Christian or Muslim world view then he first has to show in which way it is immoral.
5. Let's assume he successfully argued that this God can't be moral and therefor there is an unsolvable internal contradiction in those theologies. Just because those two specific interpretations of Christianity and Islam are faulty doesn't mean Atheism is the logical alternative. He didn't actually bring any logical argument for why he doesn't belief in God. Perhaps he brought the emotional argument why he doesn't belief in God, but if that is the case he shouldn't say he came to it through reason.
Or in short he build an argument on strawman premises, just claimed that they should reach that conclusion without showing it and then ends up with the same opinion as the culture in which he grew up in.
If we want to build our world view on logic we should be careful to not strawman the opposition, even if they are Muslims or Flat earthers or whatever.
I wanted to be an atheist not because I'm bad person. I'm person of strict values(never did drugs, nor smoke tobacco, never been drunk), but I was born nonstraight. The only reasons why I often felt bad in church is hypocricy and evil of another members and homophobia. I couldn't tolerate harming others for no reason. Despite I wanted to be an atheist I couldn't be because of my logic. I have such strange experiences in my life that I'm sure that God is. I had many problems with believe in good God. My problem was that I identified Almighty with miserable wicked people. He is pure Love, Wisdom and Good. Still I'm upset on hypocrites without values and bigots, but I started to believe in God so much. I'm opponent of protestant fanatics, islamists, militant unreasonable atheists, new cultists. I support wise people who differ wrong from right. In my opinion it is possible when someone open on Holy Spirit. I'm roman catholic myself and defend my faith, despite many so called 'catholics' attack people born nonstraight.😢
Do not spare to Child and Woman, please read: Samuel 15:3
Is that what Jesus teach...?
Let's read : Luke 19:27 Jesus command to kill who doesnt like him...?
Let's read again : Matthew 10:34 Jesus bring sword.
Is that not enough for you to prove you evil of Christian...?
Next time If you want to make debate with me, please bring evidence in Qur'an...!
@@andreasm79you probably mistake person. I didn't write anything about islam. I wrote about my faith and condemn evil things.
I think that the reason majority of people in Muslim countries are born muslim, remain muslim, and will die muslim, is because there’s no room for doubting, questioning, or what’s even worse, no challenging or refuting, and if anybody dares to question, he or she can be considered an apostate, which carries a death sentence.
As far as I’m concerned, countries like Pakistan, live in the Middle Ages where the Catholic Church used to control , religion, science, and politics, and the inquisition was implemented to control, intimidate, and eliminate detractors.
I completely understand an skeptic mind and not blindly believing anything someone else says just because they make it sound good, however after many years of going over these things with a sober mind and an open heart, when I hear someone asking why not more clear miracles so that more people would believe (because even still ALL would) people would believe, my thought goes to:
- Adam saw himself as the first man ever created, the woman created from him and for him, in a perfect Eden talking to God directly, and still sinned.
- Moses and the Hebrews saw the most amazing things before and after leaving Egypt, and even way after already in Israel through the prophets, they still sinned and went to other "gods".
- People with Jesus saw countless miracles from him and his disciples, fulfilled prophecies and they would still ask for more signs and many still didn't believe. Peter himself saw the transfiguration of Jesus and still denied him.
- Jesus died and resurrected, appeared to hundreds who spread the word and kept performing miracles - I would say the most debated subject in history (correct me if I'm wrong), and still many didn't believe.
- There are still many supernatural things happening today but now we say it is all made-up, fake, a trick or are still asking "why not more miracles, why not on camera, why not something I can see and be sure is not really fake?
... my take is we should not ignore reason at all nor avoid any kind of research, we need to be open to the possibility and look at the evidence with an open mind to the supernatural being that the subject itself is based on it.
Either way, I love these conversations and have learned a lot from these channels. 😸
When Dee Boudreau sent a super chat it was very funny listening to AP and DW fight over what she meant and the implications 😂 (this is such a great stream thank you!)
You're maybe initially born into a worldview, but there are so many examples where people follow a different worldview later even though it's in some cases forbidden to do so. And saying "most people don't question their worldview their entire life" is also not correct, looking at the avalanche of aposthasy if the trajectory continues.
APs makes a lot of claims in that video based on his personal experience whilst simultaneously saying people only believe in the religions they were born into due to emotional reasons and personal experiences. Thats one heck of a biased claim based on his lived experience. He assumes that all people think the same way. Or pick and choose religion in the same way. Or that they dont have the tendency to actually research their religion. I left atheism after years because of the cosmological and evidential arguments for God, the historicity of Jesus, the historical reliability of the New Testament, biblical archealogy, then when I considered that the 300+ fufilled prophecies of the Old Testament through Jesus fully convinced me. That plus experience after with The Holy Spirit but that was after the logical reasoning lead me to a point where I could be open to it.
Arguments for God:
1. Necessity
Whatever exists that does not have to exist requires an explanation.
The physical universe does not have to exist.
Therefore, the universe requires an explanation.
The explanation for the universe is, by definition, God.
Therefore, God exists.
This is a better version of:
Premise 1: Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
Premise 2: The universe began to exist.
Conclusion: Therefore, the universe has a cause.
There are a few main objections:
The first is that there is an infinite regression. However, an infinite amount of contingent beings cannot account for the existence of one contingent being. Any more than an infinite amount of boxcars explains why a train is moving. You would then have to explain why the regression is there in the first place. Does it explain itself? The answer is no.
The second is that there is no such thing as nothingness. Basically, that the universe existing is a brute fact. Now, I could retort that God existing is a brute fact. But besides that, by saying the universe is a brute fact, you would be saying that brute facts exist, so anything could be a brute fact.
For example,
1. Socrates is a man
2. Men are mortal
3. Socrates is mortal
Premise 3 might just be a brute fact that has nothing to do with premises 1 and 2. Meaning that you would have to devolve into extreme skepticism, which is neither practical, nor probable. You would essentially have to distrust all logic, which I don’t see why I would. Considering that logic always seems to be right, when properly applied.
The third objection is that there is another necessary being besides God. For example, the universe. However, I can imagine the universe not existing. It does not explain itself. A critic could retort “I can imagine God not existing”. However, something you can imagine isn’t necessarily true. For example, I could imagine an unsolved math equation to be true, but it is either necessarily true or false. A Definition of God is: “That which no greater can be conceived.” Therefore, God cannot not exist, or He would be lesser. God exists by Definition, or explains Himself by Definition. The universe does not. For example, fire must be hot, but it doesn’t have to be blue. Likewise, God must exist. In fact, God would be the most fundamental level of existence that holds everything else in existence. God is essentially: ipsum esse subsistens, or His essence is Exitsence. So, God is existence, or Esse. I Am What I Am. Likewise, some use matter and energy/movement. However, they don’t explain themselves. Could you imagine a different form of fundamental matter making yo the universe? If so, it is not necessary. God again, cannot be different by definition.
A fourth objection is denying things such as great and greater. I don’t understand this much, but J would just argue that existence doesn’t make sense without this definition being true, and therefore it must be true.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, please I can't stop laughing at your complete bullshit. I don't even think that you actually read the most heinous book ever written. Let alone asked any serious questions about the many atrocities in it.
@@karlscher5170He isn’t though. Of course those are common motives, but you can’t accurately apply them to every individual. There are always outliers, which is what the original comment was pointing out, using himself as an example.
We love you AP❤
What is AP’s definition of evidence? Physically observable? Bc we accept many things as proof/evidence through logic/philosophy which is one way people can argue for God’s existence.
Everything we argue from logic/philosophy has a physical basis
My definition of 'evidence' is ANY presentation that substantiates the truth of a claim. Dies that work?
Love David, I don't think he really addressed AP's points at all and he didn't seem too interested in delving very deeply into the topics. I would love if AP reached out to someone like Avery from GodLogic or, in all seriousness, Mike Winger so we can really get that meaningful analysis of Christianity contrasted with AP's agnostic views that we just didn't get here.
Seeing as I saw someone in the stream chat say they became a deist and later a Christian from studying biochemistry there's an ex-atheist called Sy Garte who's a retired biochemist that became a Christian partially because of that who recently appeared on IP's channel (responding to Rationality Rules) and on Capturing Christianity doing a call-in on that topic.
In Germany alone a million Christians left the church last year.
@@ramigilneas9274 100k Muslims leave in america alone yearly.
@@ramigilneas9274 The internet is destroying Islam. The Christians are doing just fine.
@@Chasethetruth23
In America there are just as many converts to Islam as Muslims who deconvert.
But Christianity is in free fall…
@@Chasethetruth23
In the west Christianity is dying… but in 3rd world countries it’s still growing.😉
Chosen doesnt help you AP. Its unbiblical, the maker claimed only 1% of the content was taken from the bible
That’s true.
Aprox 2:30:00 or thereafter, I think DW would agree and AP disagree with the paper by Alvin Plantinga called Supralapsarianism, or 'O Felix Culpa'
"I believe that any world with incarnation and atonement is a better world than any without it--or at any rate better than any world in which God does nothing
comparable to incarnation and atonement." He continues,
"For Atonement is among other things a matter of creatures' being
saved from the consequences of their sin; therefore, if there were no evil, there would be no sin, no consequences of sin to be saved from, and hence no atonement."
Strangely admins have prevented me posting a comment very respectful of both gentlemen, whom I greatly admire, and of their differing views on religion. And offering possible explanations for their differing perspectives. I have no idea why the comment was found unacceptable. What matters is the work these gentlemen do, and the example of their friendship.
It's could be just youtube doing it
It's not admin. It's UA-cam. A very heavy censorship!
It's usually just youtube blocking messages for w/e reason.
AP, how could one reach you? I've watched a few of your debates and chats with Christians, and I understand your points and would like to share some other thoughts that I don't think have been mentioned.
He once gave his email on Twitter/X for Hamas survivors from October so if you search that up then you can hopefully find it.
Brothers and sisters i beg of you to unite in prayer for ap he has intelligence that can cripple the devils kingdom and bring others closer to God
It's because of that intelligence that he doesn't believe God exists. There's a reason why there's an inverse correlation between IQ and theism.
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If AP doesn't convert, will you admit that the prayers didn't work?
How many atheists do you think will tune in to hear two christians talk?
It is because of this intelligence that he doesn't believe. There is a reason why there's an inverse correlation between intelligence and 5heism, after all.
2:53:17 the entire Old Testament and New Testament is about doing the right thing with a proper heart to God. The Pharisees were doing all the right actions, but Jesus condemned them for doing them in vain. Just doing the right thing isn’t the point. The point is to have a truly changed heart to be more like God, and thus do the right thing genuinely instead of just for your own benefit.
Indeed my atheist friend.
@@Reformed_Borzoi …I assume you’re being sarcastic?
Don't demand for answers if you yourself are stubbornly keeping your door shut.
Ten times Pharoah was given evidence.
He was stiff necked.
And it is not God's fear of commitment.
Oh, He's all in.
He humbled Himself
to do that.
It is 𝘰𝘶𝘳 fear of commitment.
Too proud to do it.
You'll have to read your bible again, you seemed to have missed the part where your god hardened the pharoah's heart so in turn, god could punish him and every first-born in egypt.
Your god is nothing but a cry-bully. An abusive tyrant in disguise. Who, according to your doctrine, created the problems which he in turn blames on his own creation.
You know who else does that? Abusive parents.
What if I am not keeping my door shut and still there's no answer ?
@@magdkhaled6157 Then keep the door open, keep looking, maybe try to pray a little, be patient and if that helps I will pray for you.
And remember:
John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
God bless
@@michael678.67xtian okay thanks 🙏🏼
2:42:00 divine hiddness topic
If I was an atheist, this guy wouldn't be able to convert me
Well if you aren't an atheist, then someone has already converted you.
True.
Like.
Yeah he is waaaay to strange to talk about serious topics
Like too emotional?
@@MauricioLSB
Isn’t he a psychopath, unable to feel many emotions?
@@laurakoschHe feels some emotions more and some not at all, psyhcopaths don't feel Love in the way most people do, but they are able to feel anger
I actually can relate to what AP is saying about the feeling of faith there. I never felt it, cause i was born in Soviet Union, and learned about concept of God after the age of 13, when we were moving to Israel. I asked my father about it, and he bought me a Bible with pictures and large font in two languages. Also he started to eat Kosher and lighting the candles on Shabbat, for me it was weird, and i never could believe in God, despite of great knowledge of the scriptures, and love and appreciation for it. I still can't believe in higher power, despite of being a traditionalist and living a life like God exist. I just don't feel it, guys.
@@KatarinaDinnar I just want to say that Faith is not about a feeling. Maybe its just not your time yet to believe, I don't know but I will pray for you.
@@michael678.67xtian Thanks 🙏
I agree with Woody that.... the existence of God is a separate question to the justice of God and that it doesn't help to combine them.
I agree with AP that... the (NICENIC) doctrine of Divine Judgement is messed up. Of particular concern is the conflation of punishment with judgement. Here's some reasons not to automatically conflate what Scripture says about each. Do the judges of a talent quest punish contestants? - no. To be 'righteous' must parents must punish their every child for every sin? - no. The problem in Christian soteriology occurred after the Church was institutionalised / secularised / after the Council of Nicaea. So, AP, first decide that God exists - only then sort out other things about God, including judgement.
There's only one great evidence that proves God exists - Nature. Nature is both fantastic, mysterious, complex and awe-inspiriting. It also can't be self-creating (would go completely against the First Law of Thermodynamics - the conservation of energy + matter) and it can't be eternal (the Second Law of Thermodynamics implies the universe would already have died a 'heat-death' if it was eternally old). Therefore... God! (Rom 1:20)
Proverbs 12:19
“The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment.”
I love listening to the banter of these two and I have faith that AP will become a Christian but he has just come out of an evil cult and needs a break. The trauma of Islam takes years to get out your system. A sign that AP is definitely not a muslim anymore because he can laugh at himself which muslims cannot do. Its amazing that the creator of the world is being discussed by his creation whether he exists or not!!!LOL
God bless you brother David and your ministry! Always in my prayers! Yes even that AP! 😂 To God be All the Glory!
You should get out more instead of vomiting religious bullshit. Bah.
I have a level of respect for Christianity but I will never stop being Atheist.
How did you draw the conclusion God of the Bible doesn't exist?
Bet
Thanks for the respect my friend🤝
i dont cause it has a crime record just as big as its update known as islam
@@jwc713 same way g-juice followers draw conclusion for non-biblicals😑, as native american who lost everything to ☪ul✝ called christianity only thing i got to say to it is fck off.
It's quite ironic for AP not to believe in the atoning power of the blood of Christ, since trusting David Wood as a close friend could be considered highly irrational from a secular standpoint, apart from the biblical fact of the new birth.
… Get a pen pal…! 😂😂😂
AP: *deals with insane anti-Semitic lies and blood liables of Pallis and their helpers for months* also AP: *can't comprehand the insistant delusion of flat-earthers*
Surprised with the amount of Christians here. I too am an atheist, but wont lie when I do acknowledge that most atheists are horrible at fighting back against Islam, so I guess in the end it does make some sense when I see the comments haha.
Because atheism of secular humanism don't have arguments to counter Islam. Christianity does. Don't you hear these days how Muslims run from Christians in Speaker's Corner in London?
Athiests are a minority in the world you shouldn't be surprised to see a lot of christians.
@@99range92def Atheists are the whitest though & thats based. The Nordic countries are the most atheists.
We are Hyperboreans. Strong viking warrior genetics. Unconquerable by men & their cults.
Also , many of them are not really atheists. They are communists. I do belief in replacement theology, and that true atheism is rare.
clash of titans | would love thisagain with two on two teams | get destiny and aba on
2:52:36 The issue with this line of argument is that it assumes that mere intellectual assent is all that is required for heaven.
Read James 2.
AP is performing an internal critique of Christianity. But he isn’t taking the full philosophy of Christianity. Even the demons recognize THAT God is true, but they do not put their faith in Him.
Clear and obvious proof could even be considered to remove the ability for genuine faith.
Also, when AP is performing an internal critique, a lot of his complaints can be “well wouldn’t this be better?” Two things
1) He is neglecting the fact that God’s values may differ from his.
2) God knows what would happen in all possible worlds. (Matt. 11:21). Under the Christian worldview, the physical world is substantiated through His mind. If His mind substantiates reality, there is no reason to assume that ours is the only reality (yeah… like a Christian multiverse).
If this is true, our world doesn’t have to be the best possible world. Just one where the good barely outweighs the bad. (God substantiates all worlds where Good is better than bad, no matter if by a lot or barely at all)
AP claims that the evidence for Christianity is not clear because many people disagree with Christianity, and because if you gave these people the evidence for Christianity, most people would continue rejecting Christianity.
But AP also claims that most people believe what they believe for sociological and psychological reasons.
He is clearly contradicting himself.
If it is true that most people's beliefs are formed for sociological and psychological reasons, then we would not expect most people to change their beliefs when confronted with evidence they are wrong, since their beliefs are not arrived at through evidential reasons, they are arrived at through sociological and psychological reasons.
Hence, if people's beliefs about God are primarily formed through sociological and psychological reasons, then we would not expect most people to change their mind when confronted with evidence they are wrong. We would expect most people to continue believing what they do in spite of good evidence they are wrong.
As such, AP's claim that the evidence for Christianity is not clear based on the fact that people continue in their beliefs in spite of evidence for Christianity is demonstrably false, by his own standards.
The fact that people reject good evidence for Christianity is a problem with the people, not with the evidence.
This is what David was repeatedly trying to explain to him.
@jackplumbridge7242 Most people forming their beliefs for psychological reasons in no way even suggests that most people would not respond to evidence.
In most cases, people haven't looked at the evidence either way. It would be downright odd if evidence played no part in what people believe. People routinely change their mind based on evidence.
@@hooligan9794 "Most people forming their beliefs for psychological reasons in no way even suggests that most people would not respond to evidence." - Yes it does, because it reveals that most people do not care enough about the truth to take the time to investigate things seriously. And if most people do not care about the truth very much, then they aren't going to be compelled by evidence very much. They will be compelled by non-evidential reasons in a far greater way.
This is, again, what David was trying to explain to AP. The sociological pressure of conforming to your groups beliefs will be a far greater influence on most people than a sound evidential case for the truth of a different position, for example.
"It would be downright odd if evidence played no part in what people believe." - I never said evidence plays no part in what people believe.
"People routinely change their mind based on evidence." - But what people consider to be "good evidence" varies based on their sociological and psychological influences. You can show two people exactly the same evidence, once person will say it is virtual proof, and the other will say it is no evidence at all.
AP was claiming that something can only be considered clear evidence if most people agree that it is. And that is obviously false, for the reasons I have listed.
@@Jack-z1zDamn, that’s actually a really good point 🧐. And I agree!
2:50:00 God's end-game is to create a kingdom utopia for His children
this world is the audition stage to grow those who will inherit, who will treasure God's goodness and holiness and righteousness and be like Him.
doing good deeds out of a hidden wicked heart that is scared of consequences is useless.
I did not expect it to be this easy for AP.
Hope you become Christian some day AP. You are very like by Christians with the work you do on Fighting the cult of Islam that is no good for everyone world beliefs in peace with what Islam believes in. If God was not real I would be an Atheist as only truth matters. Im not interested in believing in lies even if it’s good for human kind of a good peaceful religion ? To me I see that life is not a fluke it so clearly intelligent design the next question is does any religion have it right? To me Christianity ✝️ has the Historical Evidence to prove that. Many that eyewitness where prepared to go to there deaths in what they saw. People will go to there deaths in believing what ever but not if they are the source of a lie. But the real belief comes when you turn to belief in pray 🙏 in Jesus that’s then things start to happen that you see it can only come from God in your life. But thats takes a choice of putting faith in the belief before that can happen. When you find that God of the Bible is real you understand how important Salvation is to all people. I will never believe things of life is a fluke as is put out in mainstream. Only Truth Matters and there’s different views on what is truth but if you never have tried to put faith in Jesus then you will never know ? It takes asking in good will to be shown and if shown? And Putting faith in Jesus for that. Randy Kay has a good channel of people who believe there had near death accounts of Heaven and Hell. Also Daley dose of Wisdom is another good channel talks of Christian Evidence. I enjoyed Standing For Truth Channel of Debate as well as Modern day debate that you have been on. I like it when a debate happens of people with backgrounds of areas of debate on different sides of the views that are in that area of work. And not just a Joe blow view that has no background ground in science of the debate. Every thing needs to be able to be tested to proved by the test not just take a word for it.
This was more like AP confronting David. Davids response: "I don't care" and "that is irrelevant"
Pretty sure there was a lot more to it than that...
But David is right in saying it is irrelevant. If everyone collectively agrees that the sum of the angles of a triangle is no longer 180°, will it become true? Socrates was executed for concluding that there is one "unknown" God because nobody else believed in that even though he was right.
@@yanmew It doesn't make it true no matter how many believes that because angles are demonstrably true. Meaning you can factually measure them. It's not a matter of arbitrary belief. And no, socrates was not right.
@@MTx485 yes, alot more wordsalad. Which all boils down to those two phrases mentioned, on the question of "does evidence and reason matter for the belief in god, f.ex just as it does for believing the earth is flat".
@@amosfwo4609 🤣 atheists are so antagonistic. Boil in your bitterness ✌🏾
I wish David would’ve seen how his point about morality being important didn’t make much sense with his argument. He said it’s better we live in a world where knowing someone who is the true judge is constantly watching you is a worse world because nobody would do the right thing for the right reason. But all believing Christians live in a world where we know such a God is constantly watching us. So is it better that we Christian’s DONT know that about God? Obviously not. I can promise I go about my daily life knowing that God is always watching me yet I still fall into sin. I don’t see David’s logic there. I do also do the right thing because it is what would be pleasing to God and it’s what He would expect. Is that suddenly bad now? I wouldn’t say so.
Lmao AP ending the flat earth hypothetical that wasn't going anywhere was great. Then David changing the subject laughing about the Muhammad cartoon, friendship goals 😂
Also, imagine an atheist, who is righteous. He was self diciplined, helpped others, never broke the law, and saved countless lives as a doctor. Also raised 4 amazing children . But never could believe in God . And there is a thug and a criminal, that stole, didn't comtributed to society, and converted to Christianity on his deathbed, acceptig Jesus as his savior. Who will go to heaven , according to Christianity?
not only that, people, entire civilizations who existed way before christianity was founded and preached, as well as entire groups of people who lived in areas of the world far away from the middle eastern region where christianity was born, entire civilizations in Asia, America, Australia, all of the primitive humans too like ötzi the iceman, all of them are condemned to an eternity hell because they had the misfortune of being born in the incorrect time period and/or wrong geographical region, so they couldn't believe in the god of christianity and accept jesus christ as their lord and saviour, even if they had no way of knowing about any of it whatsoever and even if they lived life in a peaceful, "good" manner according to what today christians abscribe to be "christian values" (no killing, cheating, stealing, etc.) Funny how those things work huh?
If you reject Jesus as your lord and saviour then you will go to hell according to Christianity
The later, because we are not saved by our own merit but by the innocent blood of Christ. All these men deserve hell, every single human being does.
Constantine the Great not only went to heaven according to christians, but he became saint.
After he had m*rdered his son, his wife and some others. It seems that in christianity you can do anything you like, repent on your deathbed and you delete all your wrongdoings.
@@KatarinaDinnar I understand what you are trying to say but as a Christians we can't know for sure how God will judge but we believe it will be Just.
God bless
I belive that ap has a great potential to transition into a meme type of youtuber like pewds, he'd just need 2 cardboard cut outs of ali dawa and hijab and hes good to go 😂
I must say, im kind of disappointed in David's weak defense. AP's arguments and reasoning was far superior.
Out of the 2 objections AP raised, I think David addressed the first quite well. I think David could have addressed the hiddenness of God better.
As much as I like Ap and have watched him, he has to think about his worldview. Jay dyer cooked him.
Jay didn't cook him, on the contrary he was quite cheritable
Jay Dyer is a sophist who uses mystical and philosophical word salad to twist arguments. Anyone can see that all of his "philosophical arguments" are basically him spewing a bunch of gobbledygook dressed up as wisdom.
The reason why he does that is because he is a sufficiently smart guy who knows that there's really no rational argument for Christianity. It all hinges on Faith. So the only way to make "arguments" for Christianity is if you obfuscate everything you say and try to confuse people so that in the end you can claim that they're too dumb to understand you.
@@Isfean Jay was very nice since it was 3 hours of cognitive dissonance
@@LeoVital Dude ap was making universal claims and said he didn't need to give an account for them during the debate even his own chat was saying he blundered.
@@LeoVitalgod mean me no see god he not real. Those are your arguments in a nutshell. It's pure selective skepticism. Dyer is very disingenuous too the orthodox kinda have to be is the problem there
When you're contemplating your place in the universe... and you're considering more than your own ego and perspective...
you're talking about dimensions that are beyond your understanding.
There is an order to things that keeps the universe balanced.
So, when you're talking about these phenomena which are so much bigger than yourself that you can only relate to them through yourself as a point of reference...
you're realizing that you don't have the words to define anything except how it all relates to you.
So you ask the questions... what is "I"? What is "God"? What is "belief". It's all relative.
If you only began to exist after so many other things have existed, then the universe doesn't relate to you as much as you are just a momentary part of it.
The big bang doesn't relate to you then.
You're using language and ideas that relate to you... trying to explain something that is unrelatable to you because it's outside of your own experience.
That's why Jordan Peterson is reverse engineering his words.
Now, I find the man insufferable.
I can imagine him watching a movie having to deconstruct every aspect of the film, using the world "proclivity" several times always enunciating the "t" to make the word sound more like clit somehow. Anyway, I guess you have to take the bad with the good.
He has some common sense ideas, or basic logic rationalizations which have influenced a generation of knuckleheads.
Good on him eh.
i have done evangelism on the university campus for over 35 years in that time i have heard it all but there is a type of person that will do or say anything to talk themselves out of eternal life ,they over think it but its simple your going to hell cant do anything about it on your own so God in his great love took your place of judgement and paid your debt in full by becoming like you so he could pay your debt and you on your part admit you have a sin problem and believe and receive the free gift by putting your faith in Jesus Christ and his work ,period,God bless to all
@1:26:29 Not all religions are based on 'belief'. Correct action is much more typical, and it seems Islam is actually more like that. But in the case of Christianity, 'belief' is better translated 'trust'. The formula used by the apostles is 'publically confess Jesus is Lord and believe Jesus rose from the dead', where Jesus' resurrection is considered as divine vindication of his message, and his appointment as Lord over everything, including judgement and resurrection. There are very few actual ritual observances in Christianity. No one is born a Christian; anyone who just drifts by as a Christian is a 'cultural Christian', not one according to the bible.
I'm an agnostic and I must say that sometimes I meet "annoying" Christians who force me to be Christian ( most of my best friends are Christians) . But no matter how fanatic Christians at least they never terror other believers so everytime I meet a fanatic Christians who tell me to go to Church or reading Bible I just say "okay I'll do it later" but I never do it 🙃
Read the bible and go to church.😅
You should do it though.
Jesus confirmed through His word that He’s coming soon.
“For, “Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay”
Hebrews 10:37
“I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown.”
Revelation 3:11
He confirmed each verse twice in the most random coincidental way to me.
Repent and believe. Save your loved ones quickly. God bless you.
Read the gospels of Mattew mark luke and John they aren’t that long. You can finish the gospel of Mark easily in his 2 hours. Mark has only 14 capters each chapter approximately take 4-7 minutes to finish if you read 1 a day you will finish in 2 weeks.
@@ThePrimusCrusader Okay I'll do it later 😁
One can be an agnostic atheist. Theism is about what one believes, gnosticism is about what one claims to know.
If one doesn't know there is a god, or which god of all those invented throughout history is the 'correct' god, the logical position is to withold belief until the claim is proven - i.e. agnostic atheism.
I think it is tragic to base your personal eternal destination on statistics about how likely someone is to be a certain religion based on where they were raised. I understand the argument, but this claim takes zero account of an adult’s ability to question, think, or research just like AP did. Perhaps for children this argument stands better, but I believe God takes children’s situations into special consideration.
Also, AP’s materialism leads him to blame genetics, location, and other physical factors for everyone’s choices while his own testimony stands in contrast to that. The people coming to Christ today in non-Christian majority countries, or hostile-to-Christianity-countries, are also a problem for the idea that environment is the greatest dictator of religious belief. Because he doesn’t believe in God, there is no room to account for people turning to Christ in underground churches, under death sentences, etc.
As Winger has pointed out, people often say, “I need evidence,” when they mean, “I need proof.” Sure, there are some things we can know empirically, but we’re still depending on so many factors beyond the material to know these things.
There is a ton of evidence for Christianity; I think AP holds up an unfair standard of perfection for Christianity and doesn’t hold that same standard up for materialism or skepticism. He’s taking what he thinks is a safe position because he was broken by his belief in Islam. I hope he will one day see that the God who made him gave him that ability to reason, as he does with others. Whether he ever becomes a Christian or not, I hope he can be honest with himself that his real reasons are personal and emotional, not logical and based on a deep review of the evidence. It’s good to have both; it’s always good to recognize that one does.
Those aren't the reason he's atheist, those are just ways to persuade David Wood. Not in a deceptive way, but I'm just saying it's a way to explain the real reason in a way a theist may understand.
@@al67849 His video is literally called "Why I Don't Believe in God" so those are reasons, there's no obligation for it to just be directed towards believers.
Also he turned agnostic after their Israel trip because he felt a special unexplained connection to it, check out the video "The Apostate Prophet Is No Longer an Atheist?!?"
(i am an atheist from Sweden 🇸🇪)
Is the believers version of god, just God for our Earth or is it GOD to all life in the universe!! or..
Do "Aliens" have their own gods like "Thor" and so on? 🤔😇 and if God is in our image, then their must be humanoids everywhere in cosmos 👽
C.S. Lewis' Space Trilogy explores this idea with God having reached multiple planets and presented himself different to alien peoples. I recommend reading Out of the Silent Planet, the first and shortest novel, and Perelandra, the second novel.
@@glitchy000 maybe i will do that, but!
What do the "Priests" & "Dawha's" say about that?
.. C.S Lewis was either..
I love you both❤❤
What do you mean by what do you mean? What a stupid line of questioning. If we are having a conversation we know what words are and what they usually mean depending on context. Otherwise the debate is over.
Inshallah AP will accept Jesus and be saved, truly this is the only way to stop Islam.
I don't buy your Jesus
@niv2023, He’s not for sale.
No it's not. He can also become Buddhist 🧘🏾♀️
@@niv2023 I'm not a Christian I was joking
Beat ne to it. 😂😂@@sialoves
AP look at the holy flames/light in Jerusalem every Pascha. People are putting candle flames onto their beards and hair and it’s not burning.
Great livestream guys... even after 4 hours
It's only a matter of time before AP (PBUH) reverts to Islam and brings forth the global caliphate 🕋 allhamtoallah
Islam or capitalism. Which set of social relations MUST win as a matter of historical objectivity. Consider the joys of capitalist wealth creation when a member of the super elite can drive the best of cars and bed as many women as his jets can fly to him then consider the answer.
Hadith 1.6.2.4.5 we follow the christ not the anti
Jesus said to leave the kids alone mohamed had zero value on them
@@demontrader1222Says the person with a user name of "Demon Trader" 🤑
@@demontrader1222 Capitalism as any system has its flaws, Islam is all flaws
I'm still in disbelieve that david wood came back to USA uninjured.
You used to make really good informative videos bro, now it’s just 3 hours live videos that I really don’t have time and energy to watch
unfortunately this is everyone on youtube now because the algorithm favors.
I love everything about you AP🩷
The Theist-Atheist debate is simple: it all boils down to Physicalism vs Idealism. Thats it.
AP is brain is wired like a Physicalist he won't accept explanations that are super natural, he needs physical mechanisms to be deduced & explained. In my experience Religious people cannot do this, they don't know how God's magic works either even if he were to exist.
How are religious people doctors and scientists then? Do you really think they cannot do this?
@@al67849 Thats not what I mean. I mean the final conclusion about what you believe the Monad to be, basically the building block of everything else.
Atheists say mass (and its types, basically the periodic table those elements are all that is known to exist)
Theists say spirit (they cannot even explain what the hell this even is or how it works)
4:21:33 AP, it is very easy to change your belief. Just go to a country where they belief in Buddhism and you turn Buddhist. Go to a country where they are Christian and you turn Christian. That's how your argument goes, right?
I'm joking here, but I still think there is something to it. If you actually lay out your entire chain of reasoning with all the premises and then you also do so with another view, then you are more clearly able to see why you think the way you do and why the other view is the way it is. If you now then surround yourself with that other view then it is possible to open up to it and over time your views may change as well. I don't think that works 100%, but I do think there is something to that.
Also if you want to you can do the opposite. You can hide the premises of your view and claim they are just the facts. And then you lay open the premises of the view you oppose. And then you show how your view is just the logical conclusion while the others builds on mere assumptions. That is a very neat way to convince a lot of people and it is regularely being done by all sorts of people who call themselves rational.
Hey. It's because there isn't any evidence of any gods.
Simples, really.
I always thought of you two as the Beavis and Butthead of anti-islam. (Not an insult)
Atheism has been humiliated!
Hahaha is that what you wanted? This proves David was a afraid to say AP would not go to heaven based on the Bible.
Tell me HOW LONG PASSED FROM ADAM TO JESUS.
DO YOU KNOW? ACCORDING TO THE JESUS GENEALOGY ON MATTHEW 1 AND LUKE 3
SINCE ADAM TO JESUS THERE WAS 4000 YEARS.
DO YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT HUMANITY IS 6K YEARS OLD.
THAT'S STUPID.
THAT MEANS JESUS NEVER EXISTED.
YOU WERE FOOLED FOOLS
Oh, has god turned up?
@@rossini55 absolutely! Look at the beauty of Creation, the laws of physics, information, systems...the cell. You see His work everywhere! Most importantly, He showed up physically as one of us to take away the punishment that was rightfully ours!
@Lord9Genesis I don't agree it's a "creation".
"Physics... therefore God"?. What on earth are you talking about? Non sequitur.
"Fire, therefore dragons"?
You sound just like Ali Dawah or Mo Hijab. Haha.
@@rossini55 "In the beginning" implies that Time itself is a Creation. God tells us many times that He is "Beginning and the End" (Isaiah 44:6, Revelation 1:8, 22:12). If He exists outside of Time, Space, and Matter (whatever that would mean) He is not subject to our puny imaginations of what the "God" should be. I get that you may not believe the Bible but understand that the God we refer to is NOT some wimpy Cosmic Sky Daddy.
1:00:00 the issue raised here is relived with the following. Orthodox Christianity believes that the lack of acceptance of God, wether by Atheism or another religion boils down to a sickness of the soul and not mental capabilities. People of all ranges of IQ become orthodox/stay orthodox. Different levels of argumentation are convincing using the mind, heart, and soul. So it is not an issue of intelligence. As for people who simply do not think to accept a new religion, such as buddhists or Hindus etc, there are two angles to look at. Firstly Christianity has been spread throughout the world. As such, there is no excuse not to explore it. Secondly however, there is no blame on the one who based on whatever circumstances, cannot come to the right conclusion, for any number of reasonable reasons (including tribes who have never heard of Christianity due to isolation). There is a saying “to whom much is given much is required/expected”. And for the issue of “good reasons” for each religion doesn’t work. There is an element of cognitive dissonance (a spiritual problem) with those who don’t leave their morally bankrupt and oppressive religion. Then there are contradictions that must be addressed from religions who claim to continue another, the foundation and basis of morality for atheism (among other things), as well as evidence of truth that other religions lack.
Pinky and the no brains🧠 😂
Mayhar Tousi is a great guy! I think you'd all get on pretty well with your humour 😊
I agree.
I don't care if AP converts to a religion. It's his own choice. And no one has to decide for him whether he believes in something or not. Is it really that important whether someone is a theist or atheist? We're all polarized enough as it is. Let's not look at our differences but see what unites us.
Because it is about AP's soul. We Christians love AP and pray for him to know the gospel message of Jesus Christ. Jesus doesn't force people to believe in him. He gives people free will to make the decision to follow him for themselves.
@raisinbread8526 you sound just like the Dawah gang.
Just swap Jesus for allah and you cannot tell the difference.
@@rossini55 Did I use threatening language in my comment? Why would you make false accusations against me?
If you hate Jesus and reject his free gift of salvation, that's your choice. There's nothing I or anyone else can do to stop you from spending eternity in a place where God doesn't exist in that case.
@raisinbread8526 would you say the same if he spoke against Christianity rather than Islam? Maybe you are different, but I imagine most of the Christians who watch AP if they were honest, would say no.
Don't be kind to someone just because you want to convert them to your religion.
@@Traditional_American Christians are commanded to share the gospel and bless those who curse us. Even if AP spoke against Jesus, faithful Christians like me would still pray for his salvation.
I don't get money to convert people to Christianity. In fact no human has the capability to convert anyone. Only God can do that.
1:08:58 Its about arguments and experiments. Usually you start with a hypothesis, then thing about an argument that you use to measure the consequences of your hypothesis, and then if the experiments are convincing then you have a theory that still can be falsified.
How can the existence of god as a hypothesis be falsified?
David made a very stupid statement about the convincing arguments of flat earthers (flatening the contrast to arguments for god) because his own arguments for god would come down to similiar unproven claims (I believe, I prefer). Very weak.
like AP said, shape of earth and existence of God are 2 completely different things 🫨
No, he is attacking AP's logic. AP's claim is basically 'multiculturalism, therefore I can't believe in God. ' This is bog standard. The proper conclusion is: just because everyone around me believes X, doesn't mean it's true. It also doesn't mean it's false. Duh.
From listening to him, and from his credentials, I know DW is a competent apologist. Up to the point I am at 1:08:00, AP hasn't even got him started.
@@davidhawley1132 AP said that the the fact of thousands of different conceptualizations of god/gods in the history of mankind makes it impossible to argue consistently for the superiority of one specific religious concept over others therefore he keeps an agnostic stance. Anybody trying to defend his/her favourite god version as superior will face serious problems doing so not even considering the fact that there is no possibility of "objective" proof.
@@amuthi1not at all Christianity dominated the world more than any religion and preached to all 4 corners of the globe that's massive objective evidence so your wrong plus you can point out apparent contradictions in other religions making them seem inferior there's really no rational thinking at all in your statement. It's like saying no country is better than another one bc there's countries all over the world.
@@kingofnpcs2547 Explain for what preaching a religion around the globe is objective proof!
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