Skip to 17:18. Thank me later. 00:00:00 Reformed Salafi Opening Statement 00:17:18 Apostate Prophet Opening Statement 00:33:15 Reformed Salafi Rebuttal 00:38:45 Apostate Prophet Rebuttal 00:48:53 Open Discussion 01:16:40 Why does Allah harden the Pharaoh's heart? 01:17:54 Why did Muhammad not learn to read? 01:18:20 Naturalist vs Supernatural Explanations 01:19:48 Muhammad forgets verses, is unreliable 01:21:12 "The End is Near" - Muhammad's Failed Prophecies 01:23:03 The Moon Splitting 01:24:21 Muhammad the Psychotherapist 01:25:20 Tall Buildings a Miracle? 01:26:24 Goat Eats the Quran 01:26:49 Verses missing from the Quran 01:27:48 Abraham never existed 01:28:33 Muslim insults AP, asks about Burj Khalifa 01:31:06 Does Reformed Salafi Believe in Apostasy Laws and Oppression?
Let's be fair. That's interesting insight that he pointed out the pattern seen in Surah 2 of the Quran. Too bad the rest of the Quran is as organized as the appearance of a trailer park after a tornado hits.
@@Peachblueberrycake reminds me how pokytheists used to read into bird shit and palms and the random numbers. And reminds me of the zodiac. When they told Him that, suddenly God spoke to him and told him those who say you're like the zodiac they will burn in hell.
@@publicsectordirect982 AP had a lot of verses out of context and simply does not represent the current muslims today. the bible has some really dark verses, however they dont follow it because they understand that it was another situation and time. Same goes with islam, it says to fight all jews in the sunnah, yet you dont see us fight jews for no reason at all?
I am the true prophet, good news just send me 100$ and u get to go to Heaven, And unlike the past nonsense religions in our Heaven u will get to shape it to whatever u wish it to be. Also there is no other requirements, like no religious laws practices etc required.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
@@68zagor Jesus God of the Bible The Alpha and the Omega Says: Deuteronomy 13:6-11 ESV “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery....."
Corrections, Islam is not a religion it's a crazy cult. Listen, if Islam was a true religion Muslims would be guided to do the right thing but how come almost all Islamic states are so poor and corrupt. You Muslims should worship the way you please but don't choke up people into believing your so stupid religion I mean cult.
@@68zagor bible says this goofy Numbers 31:17-18 King James Version 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Keep quiet bozo
@@MichaelCHorler (The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food. See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded ˹from the truth˺!)(5:75)
Hey, Mr. Apostate. WHERE ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS? You don't have a college degree, or any Islamic qualifications. You can only make money via Islam (i.e. making fun of it). That's sad isn't it? Your job is LITERALLY to use Islam for money lol. Get a life, kid.
@@MichaelCHorler And I invite you ALL to STFU and simply live your lives because all your Religions seem to do is cause you all to bicker, argue, fight and kill each other. What kind of all knowing and intelligent being would give you clowns a variety of different Religious books and Religions not knowing that all you’ll do is kill fight and kill each other over them🤦♂️?
I'm sorry, but mathematical equations cannot be applied to a text that is consistant almost completely of analogies, symbols, metaphors and accounts of historical events that can very easily be subject to criticism within their 'authoritative' claims. There is no way to mathematically categorize what occured in the Quran, because, like almost all other holy books, the things depicted within it are capable of thousands of interpretations depending on who reads it. Salafi is just spitting out a whole bunch of nonsense that he only intends to help him look smarter but actually did the opposite. The premise of his argument only works if one already has a biased position in favor of Muhammad as a prophet capable of visions which, like AP said, resemble in our current understanding of the brain more as mental health issues or disease. And for all of the mathematical literary calculations that Salafi seems to want to use to potray his side, he sure relies on his own personal belief in Muhammad throughout nearly the entire debate.
As someone with scientific backgrounds with plenty of maths included.. I was wondering where he's going with all of this introductory math class session and how it's even remotely related to the Quran... Just to realise that All of what he said could be summed up in half a sentence : "If there is enough evidence and proof then the hypothesis become true."..... The ONLY problem is that the proof he showed is non sense. Keep up the great work 👍 You've just disapproved the Quran. 👏
Sahih al-Bukhari 4855 confirm: I said to `Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: (1) Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar." Then Aisha recited the Verse: 'No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things.' (6.103) 'It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil.' (42.51) `Aisha further said, (2) "And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited: 'No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow.' (31.34) She added: (3) "And whoever tell you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: 'O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord..' (5.67) `Aisha added. "But the Prophet (ﷺ) saw Gabriel in his true form twice."
Desperation makes Muslim apologists do some extremely strange things, to be the correct ones! Like make a mathematical equation to justify a 7th century mentally ill "messenger"🤦..... It's quite sad tbh....
I am the true prophet, good news just send me 100$ and u get to go to Heaven, And unlike the past nonsense religions in our Heaven u will get to shape it to whatever u wish it to be. Also there is no other requirements, like no religious laws practices etc required.
Except for maybe the ignorant liberal westerners who've been decieved into thinking Islam is a religion of peace. 😆 If they knew about who Muhammad really was, they'd dislike him!
well so many people love rasullullah in the past and in our modern time but you to close minded to see that quran is amazing book like 365 mention day 30 mention days (plural) 12 mention month etc
Yes the word "salafi" literally means "follower of the ancestors" Basically salafism is a sect of Islam that completely believes everything in the Hadith and also completely believes everything the ancient scholars say no matter how retarded it sounds To be "reformed" is against salafism infact salafi scholars declared any muslim who rejects the salaf (ancestors) is a kafir (apostate)
Reformed Salafi: The knee bones connected to the thigh bone. The thigh bones connected to the hip bone. The hip bones connected to the cardiovascular bone that’s connected to the neck bone that’s connected to the hypothesis bone that’s connected to the linear structure bone that makes the Linguistic bone sorta complicated to project a solid sound wave that’s above xy and z supported by Ramon Farins doctrinal statement that poses a threat to all vermins who denounce the name of Allah. This is reformed Islam in a nutshell. Someone get me a violin please
The Islamic guy attempting to use probability theory to cancel out all Mohammed’s absurd sayings and behaviour is hilarious. If nothing else works try blinding them with science😂
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
Why not? 99.5% of "scientists" are atheists who believe the very same shit as muhammad. A man can change his gender using whish thinking? How is that any different from the sun setting in a pool of hot water?
@@proudexmuslim2354 very bad philosophy that legalizes pedophilia. It has been known since the late 60es that leftists want to make pedophilia the norm. All "scientists" are leftists. The only reason for a atheist to be against pedophilia is if it is in the context of a god. Just remove the god, and any atheist will be perfectly fine with it. It is even integrated in feminism which is also "science" AKA atheist religion.
I have been waiting to write this message for a year now and I think now is the best time to get it off of my chest. I was born to one of the largest and most powerful tribes of Saudi Arabia. My family comes from Nejd and are all hardline Salafi Muslims, as was I for my entire life up until about a year ago. I wouldn’t miss prayers or the 4 sunnah prayers throughout the day after prayers except for the asr prayer. I basically lived at the masjid and constantly spoke with the elders of the masjid here in the US (I was born here thank God, but I still retained my family’s beliefs) and learned about my religion very throughly. After enlisting in the Army, I finally met and interacted with people from all over the Country and for the first time in my life, I felt bad for trying to constantly convert my Christian Arab friends to Islam, and I finally decided to open up my brain for the possibility of truth in other religions. I would remember speaking to others, especially Christians, about religion and telling them how they were wrong and going to go to hell if they didn’t change. I was so close minded and would automatically assume they were wrong and wouldn’t even give their arguments the light of day. Well, one day I had a horrible nightmare and complained to my parents about it and they told me to go speak with the imam of our local masjid here in the US. I went and after fajr prayer, I went to ask him about the dream. He said “was it a good or bad dream?”, I said bad and he told me there was a Hadith that said that it was forbidden to speak with people about a bad dream if you get it and that I should pray 2 rakaats and fast 2 days since it’s the devil in my mind. Well this went on for a few months and all of that fasting and praying didn’t change anything. I finally decided to debate my friends about religion while being open to the possibility that they could be right about certain points. Anyways I know this is getting long, but I’m glad to announce that since December of 2021 I was official baptized into the Maronite Catholic Church and am beyond happy and at ease, and I can definitely say I encountered one problem however. I have many Quran verses memorized unfortunately and the way Allah punishes disbelievers and kafirs nearly scared me back into Islam. Even though I knew in my heart that Islam was false and incorrect, I was just so scared about what I heard about hellfire in Islam, that I would have my skin burned until it melted off, only to have replacement skin given to feel the pain again. Fed the worst of food and boiling hot water. I was absolutely terrified about hellfire and and what would happen to me according to Islam. Apostate Prophet, if you read this please just take this in for me man. I’ve watched nearly all of your videos and Habibi you have honestly reassured me that I made the right move. Islam is wrong and never will be right and I thank God every single day I wake up that I found your UA-cam channel. That fear of Islamic hellfire disappeared from my brain and I am finally living stress free now. Well kind of. Being a socially religious person was a double edged sword. In the city I live in, there is a big Arab and Muslim community here that I was very involved with. I cannot state that I left my religion and only a tiny group of my friends know of my conversion to Christianity. If my family were to know God knows what would happen to me and I actually moved out of my house to avoid any issues that may have arose (since I go to Sunday mass every week and occasional daily mass). Something I need to explain about my culture that most don’t understand is that even after I was discharged from the military and got a job afterwards, I still stayed with my parents. My older brother is married and still lives with them, that’s just our culture. You stay with your family until you have the means to live alone, that is why my recently married brother is only now leaving since he secured a very well paying job. This step I took still has a big impact on my extended family’s view of my family. They always ask why I left and always have things to say. Another thing to explain is that our family system is not like the US or the west, our entire extended family must be taken into account and respected like they’re your second parents. I am glad I’m on my own now still in my early 20’s and am finally feeling free. God would never punish someone in such a way and I fully believe that these very scary and sadistic explanations of hellfire were put to scare people from leaving the religion of Islam. I’m glad to say I left Islam and will never join back after watching your videos. Like I said, if you read this, I just want to thank you so much, from an Arab to a Turk 😉. Be safe brother and keep up the good work!
I read your story and unfortunately it’s often like this. I’m happy for you that you live in the US and that you could open your mind and escape this cult. The suffering is that you can’t tell anyone about this, because the teachings of Islam say that you should be killed for apostasy. And it’s so indoctrinated that even your own blood will try to do you in. My brother, stay safe, be happy, I wish you all the best.
Beautiful story bro, I missed the part where you actually explained what made you leave Islam though. You discussed with Christians, ok, and then what? What did they tell you that made you not only rethink, but leave Islam entirely? What argument was presented? 2nd, what made you think Christianity is true?
@@matts8039 don't just read 2 ayats that involves Allah commanding the believers to kill and say "yeah islam is a danger to society", you have to know the context first
So?? Thats still doesnt change the fact that the Quran is an eloquent beautiful masterpiece of literature that the best poets have been amazed by and likened it to sorcery.
You can't be too sure about that one My friend, I think You have been lied to I've seen random pieces of clothes on river sides such as socks and shoes and t-shirts scattered along It's SIDE also in dessert highways along the side, poor víctimas of them evil Wicked thieving running cloth hungry stone's, suggest You carry weapon such as a stick to punish these evil gin like Muhammad did back in historical times when we were infested with evil demons of this sort.😂😂
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
Many cultures (Greeks, Egyptians) were building tall buildings for centuries to show off. Hows it a miracle to predict Arabs will also do the same? Dr Ali Muhammad Sallabi's biography of the prophet explains the Arabs were *already* building tall buildings during the prophet's time: "The rich vied [competed] with one another so much in the construction of tall, extravagant buildings that they even used to name their homes and castles"
There's literally an entire tribe-and region-in the Arabian peninsula which was known for building the pre-modern equivalent of skyscrapers centuries before Muhammad had the Koran supposedly revealed to him in Al Hira by Jibril, i.e. a demon.
Brazr you were right, i just came back from 2077, and UAE HAS AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER! And did you know it was prophecied in the quran too???? In 420:666 it says: By Allah, before the Judgement Day comes, a Hobbit will be righteous, in admitting that the decendands of you, o Muhammad, will have a large ship, and the ship will be home to the birds which We built to fight the Shaytan, in the western lands, where the Sun sets in mud, before it goes under Our Throne. AlHAMdullilah!
Me: Do you know if Manchester United will win the Premier League again? You: Prophet Frodo (Pbuh) knows best Me: Indeed, the day will come when Manchester United will become victorious in the Premier League again. *now we sit and wait until I get proven to be a prophet*
Out of simple naive curiosity I asked a Muslim friend what Muhammad prophesied. She immediately flew into a rage. "Oh so it's my religion, now!" as if we had been arguing, which we hadn't. The only information I gleaned from this exchange was 'Dont ask'. 😏
That's such a simple question I wished you asked me that conquest of Constantinople, prophecy of arab people competing with each other in higher buildings ,the hour will not arrive until the land of Arabia (Makkah) turns green again which it recently did and many more things you just don't research enough I'm sorry
@@es-rh8oo about the resemblance thing I don't know exactly but his features would include one eye and the other eye wounded and resembling dried grape and if you wanna make him your lord please do so christians don't have anything left in their religion anyways it's a joke and you already follow the ways of dajjal
The guy talks a lot about Bayesian theory, a priori, posteori. But I bet he would fail miserably in a math test consisting of those problems. He either has no idea about this or just deliberately deceiving the viewers.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
@@احمدالسيداحمدالسيد8129 I don’t “believe in” atheism, it’s a framework for seeing the world as a product of evolution, not as created by a magical force. Having morals is part of human evolution, as without them society doesn’t function. I can morally object to a prophet marrying a six year old, having s3x slaves, and killing unbelievers or forcing them to pay protection tax without consulting a god to do so.
I really felt bad for Reformed Salafi. That must have been tough for him to sit through especially when he didn't present anything of substance at all. Great job AP, your points were well presented, referenced and supported
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability theory was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
My heart sank when he said yes to killing of apostates and subjugation of people. I cried. I looked at his face and cried again. 😢😢😢😢😢😢 Its unfortunate the kind of hearts human beings possess.
Apostasy in the bible chronicles 15: 13 "all who do not seek the lord the God of Israel were to be put to death" christianity is religion of "love" btw
@@generaljg4373 you just quoted the Bible like your father, the devil. Its not just chronicles, its second chronicles. Was it God's commandment? I'm sure you didn't read it, just the way you didn't read your Islamic garbage. Please go and bow to your Blackstone and leave me alone.
hes just describing him doing something .. anything .. as opposed to nothing.. jesus if people cant reason i dont know why we pretend they can - like learn how to have a conversation ffs
@@Peachblueberrycake "the sign that quran is from god 365 mention day 30 mention days (plural) 12 mention mont" - no. Just a coincidence. The quran is even worse anti-scientific bat shit crazy than the bible.
@@maalikserebryakov well yes some of minority salafi scholar doesnt really suggest this mathematical amazingness in the quran because our rsullullah saw doesnt examplize this dakwah but it doesnt mean its not true bacause quran is living miracle
The young man reminds me of a boy I dated long ago. He has the same tone of voice, and anxiousness when other people disagreed or did not see it as he did. Believed he and his family were set apart, pious and perfect. However, to win, he wouldn't have wished death. He believed if you did not believe the correct way by your life's end, he and his family would go to Heaven and you to Hell. It truly confuses me that with ALL the hate, division, anger, punishment, misery, destruction, war and mortality of human existence, why would a PERFECT Deity demand we fragile beings harden our hearts in hatred toward one another? Why would God demand, with life as a breath, we no longer are. The complexity and beauty of His creation demand execution. Sitting in delighted pleasure of the pious killing, then, directly to Hell to suffer horror for ALL time. Rather, let us have mercy ~ if God indeed be the "ALL merciful" letting us come to be enlightened by Truth. The reason being: it may take all our lives? Isn't it better to allow us our moment on earth, to believe, than extinguish a soul so quickly without mercy, love or empathy?
atheist religion is islam V2,0 and we have already seen the results. More than 110 million people have been slaughtered in the name of atheism in less than 100 years, giving atheism a kill score of 1,1 million/year.
*The Supreme Personality of Godhead Krishna said who is a truely Saintly Person :* - in Scripture namer Uddhava Gita O Uddhava, a saintly person is merciful and so is never inclined to give pain to others. Even if others are aggressive, he is tolerant and forgiving towards all. His purpose in life comes from the truth itself, he is free from envy, and his mind is equipoised in happiness and distress. He dedicates his time to work for the welfare of others. His intelligence is never bewildered by material desires, and he has learned to control his senses. His behavior is always pleasing, never harsh and always exemplary, and he is free from possessiveness. He never endeavors like ordinary worldly people, and he strictly controls his eating and so he always remains peaceful and steady. A saintly person is thoughtful and accepts Me as his only shelter. Such a person is very cautious in the execution of his duties and is not disturbed even in a distressing situation. He has conquered over the six material qualities-hunger, thirst, lamentation, illusion, old age, and death. He is free from all desire for prestige, and he offers respect to others. He is expert in reviving the Krsna consciousness of others, and so he never cheats anyone. Rather, he is a well-wishing friend to all, being most merciful. Such a saintly person must be considered the most learned of men. He perfectly understands that the ordinary religious duties prescribed by me in various Vedic scriptures possess favorable qualities that purify the performer, and he knows that neglect of such duties constitutes a discrepancy in one’s life. Having taken complete shelter at My lotus feet, however, a saintly person ultimately renounces such ordinary religious duties and worships Me alone. He is thus considered to be the best among all living entities. Watch Short movie ua-cam.com/video/xTwuJaTOl8g/v-deo.html
It's a fallen world and we are sinful beings. In Christianity it's the devil that tells you you're fine as you are, so to speak, or even that you can be like God. But asking why there's suffering and death in a perfect world isn't really relevant when the world isn't perfect.
I'm not sure how Ridzuan managed to contain his laughter while the boy gave a phoney maths presentation in power point. Well, was that humorous or repulsive? 🤣🤣🤣
You pick up a drug-addict pretender who is confused by your evil trap question! What is your motive Apos-prostate cancer? What do you gain by plotting all this evil propaganda? In my country and neighborhood; a mix of all religions live in harmony and brotherhood relationship. Even though that crack dude is sure of his statement, he speaks for himself. Can you be fair and honestly answer my question, Apos; Do you really think and believe that all the Muslims in the world are on a mission to kill every non-Muslim? You are promoting hatred and violence Apos. One of these days, KARMA will come and get you Apostate right between your eyes. The sad thing is that; you won't realize it, only regret left for the rest of your life. I pity you Apos.
Bearing in mind that we have different time zones, but only one moon - you'd think that someone, somewhere, saw it get split and might have bothered to mention it. But apparently they didn't. THAT would be the miracle...
It's a while since I was involved with Bayesian theory but most stats are to identify links or correlation from large volumes of seemingly mutually exclusive data. Using Islamic texts, hearsay etc are not random or independent. So, is it even a correct use of Bayesian theory?
@@josm1481 I do inferential stats but would like to do Bayesian. Maybe won't learn from this lad though, his assumptions seemed dodgy and I stopped listening
@@ProfYaffle I'm not sure Bayesian stats are relevant, as most stats aren't relevant to clearly linked data. Stats usually try to find the correlation but if you're using references to Muhammad that come from rumours about him the correlation is direct.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
I think Reformed Salafi is having personal problems. He didn’t seem his normal self. He was really enthusiastic and switched on in their first debate. Something was troubling him during this second one. I hope everything is okay.
it's because of the topic of the first debate. muslim apologists are usually comfortable in theological arguments, argument about the existence of creator. but when it comes into proving that islam is the true 'god given' religion, they become clueless and start talking nonsense
@@akibanu007 Its just far easier and much more convenient attacking bible than defending the impossible stupidity of islm. In this way they dont end up looking like complete clowns inside their own circus.
reformed salafi was clearly unprepared. Asking for clarification on clear cut questions and statements, inability to remember past arguments, multiple mic cuts and awkward head scratching and idle glances. This was supposed to be a debate and he came with ineptitude and obvious bias. Not to mention his casual and direct response to death of apostates.
As most of us know that the most of the Hadiths like (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim etc) aka the Sunnah of Muhammad were incorporated into Islam 200 years after the death of Muhammad during the Abbasid Caliphate (The golden age of Islam) and it is highly likely that the Hadith of 360 joints was come from the medical advancements which were made in the Sassanian Dynasty. There was a Hospital and University in the Persian city of Gondishapur during the Sassanian Dynasty of Persia this Academy of Gondishapur was famous worldwide in the 5th and 6th century CE and many Persian, Hellenic Greek and Nestorian physicians study and work on human anatomy and medicine after the islamic conquest of persia this university survived the attack of Arabs and the scientific advancement made during the Sassanid Dynasty were later translated into Arabic and many surviving persians after converting to Islam they were relocated in the House of wisdom in city of Baghdad during the Abbasid Caliphate (that's the Islamic Golden age is just a rebranding of the scientific advancements made under the Sassanid Persians and Hellenic Greeks)
There are many hadith books before sahih al bukhari and sahih muslim they are just the first one's to have the prophets sayings separated from the companions sayings and put in order there are many books with hadiths before them for example ( موطأ مالك بن انس، كتب عبدالله بن مبارك ، كتاب الاثار لابي يوسف القاضي ، مسند ابي حنيفة) and these are just from the top of my head you could find a lot more some even with there original manuscripts existing today Other than that we have narrations you could go back and explain to us why all these people would conspire to lie
@Sabbath D'inverno what i meant by a conspiracy is that authentic hadiths don't come out of nothing for a hadith to be considered authentic (sahih) we need to have a chain of narration with each person in the chain having a biography "ترجمة" and and most chains were collected by several scholars so there has to be a conspiracy for hadith like that to slip in especially if it had several connected and authentic chains I am not a biologist but i read that number could 360 depending on how you define a joint either way this hadith just increases the probability of the prophet's truthfulness and alone wouldn't be much but if you put this next to several other prophecies and the prophet's life circumstances it would be unreasonable to say that he's not telling the truth
@@massoudatef7267 They proven to who? AP is an ex Muslim. AP doesn’t even need to open his mouth.It’s enough to hear the Muslims arguments for the rest of the world to see.Those videos are actually the best to show how primitive some of us really are…
@@markustanbeck9149 just like how AP told the mythvision to mute the guy cause he was losing? AP responses. He got owned. Why couldn't he name another place other than Mecca when he claimed it's not what the Bible is referring to? He didn't have an answer. This guy has been exposed many times
@@echoe4806 yup that's why there are more reverts coming back to Islam everyday. Don't talk to me about primitive you follow a guy who agrees that there is nothing wrong with incest
I was a professional debater (debating in national championships). A "debate" is not a loose term. It has specific rules, depending on the debate platform ("LD", "CX", etc). Right off the bat, I see the Affirmative debater (that Muhammed was a true prophet) trying to define a debate structure, specifically, how to weigh or judge evidence. This structure is already defined in the type of debate (LD in this case) and cannot be changed or deviated. For some reason, the Affirmative debater is teaching, defining, or trying to establish the debate structure, himself, according to his own beliefs or expectations. That's not allowed and that's not how debate works. Any flow judge will shakes his head and throw all his out (and probably question why you are teaching him how to do his job as judge). You might be able to confuse a stupid lay judge with this non-sense, but if I was the judge of the debate, I'd be wondering why you are throwing away your time instead of laying out your contentions. Remember, when a flow judge's paper is blank (meaning he has not begun flowing your arguments into his flow chart) then you are not gaining any ground in the debate. TLDR: You can't tell the judge how to rule in your favor. This is equivalent to Johnny Cochran ordering the jury, "If the glove doesn't fit, you MUST acquit".
@@TheMentalblockrock Funny story, in my government class, (not my debate class) we were all assigned to debate. The subject was whether or not we should debate in this teacher's class, which is kind of meta in an inception kind of way. While the other students were going against students, I was the only student who got paired against the teacher, because I was the only government student with experience in debate class (the teacher later told me he was actually worried about debating me for this reason). While he focused on the "debate is a good and useful skill we all need and would be beneficial to everyone" approach, mine was different. My angle was, "Sure, debate is wonderful, blah, blah... but focus on the last three words... does debate belong IN THIS CLASS?" I went on to argue that government was a required course, however, debate was an elective, which means that the state does not feel that debate is required in order to graduate. But by inserting debate into the required government class, this made debate a requirement, since it was now part of your government class grade. I even pulled up the teacher's own government class syllabus from the beginning of the year, which never mentioned debate. I was trying to convey that a person could fail to graduate potentially for not being capable of or having skill in an otherwise optional and avoidable elective. But my choice of words made the class burst out laughing. I said... "By adding debate to a government class' grade, it risks your graduation. Therefore, if a person cannot master debating..." Yeah, I don't know why I said that.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
@@sorguvasfen2426 It does the opposite. It makes it sound like the points he makes need some sort of special pretext just so they won't immediately get dismissed for being ridiculous.
Muhammad found the same shrooms growing in the mountain caves that Moses did. Moon splitting and talking burning bushes, yeah I bet it was good shrooms
Reformed Salafi is very undergraduate, naive and misinformed. I almost feel sorry for the guy except for the brutal fact that he harbors ideas that are inherently violent. Apostate Prophet, one can see, has a gentle heart. It is this belief in God or Allah that causes the type of violence that are much less likely among secular humanists.
You messed up bringing up how he received revelation in the sound of a bell. You forgot to bring the other Hadith’s where it states the instrument of satan is a bell. Clearly satan appeared to him, not Jibreel.
@@resegnador.hitita9092 he gave no evidence. All he said is "if allah exists we would expect this. And if the opposition cant prove my hypothesis false then my hypothesis is more probably true". Thats his entire openning argument. Its by definition, argument from ignorance fallacy "im more true till u prove me false"
I think his k is wrong. That is, no-one thinks the Quran is eloquent and beautiful unless they have been indoctrinated with that opinion from birth... well, hardly anyone
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
@@ProfYaffle Not exactly true. Kiddie fiddler atheists also believe that quran is divine. Why else would they defend islam? And the claim of atheist religion is that a man can change his gender using whish thinking and that incest is fine How is that any different from islam?
@@smidlee7747 Not even, I have smoked Weed for the past decade and my favorite beautiful best written books in my opinion are the Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit and The Silmarillion. The Quran and Hadith are shit arab fables and bad fanfic and in comparison to actually good writing like Lotr, it's boring and rotten who would ever say the Quran is beautiful but a person brainwashed since birth and even a quarter of them leave islam? The Quran is awful and boring in my Weed smoking opinion.
Ufman! What about Ufman discovering that Muslims everywhere had Qur'ans that differed widely from each other so, he gathered them up and burned them? Ufman was not one of the 5 men Muhammad (BPBUH) said from only them, you were to learn the Qur'an. This is the Qur'an (maybe?), we have today?
Nah, they don't have it in Uthman time Arabic had no vowels or dots! Even if they had it nobody would be abel to read it! Without dots and vowels you can read several words from one word when you add them as you think could be right!
Reformed Salafi's opening statement was so much of time wasting. He didn't take to account that his premises, which will be drawn from Islam and its books, will be stupid. Like sun setting in a muddy pool. Or that you marry your son's wife. Too much logic for stupid premises.
1:05:00 RS says that we have "early manuscripts" of the Quran, so we "can be confident" that it's remained identical/consistent from the time of Muhammad, which is not entirely true. The earliest fragmental manuscript (the Sana'a palimpsest) does date from the lifetime of Muhammad, but therein lies the trouble. It's a palimpsest--meaning that there's undeniable and categorical rewriting/revising in the artifact itself. The manuscript all but proves that the Quran is not unchanging.
Yes, but as Mythvision’s recent interview of a scholar on the preservation of the Quran showed, it is LARGELY preserved, with not many differences from earliest copies. My issue is with the contents: We have no way to establish what Muhammed actually said, if it was copied or memorized verbatim, if verses were added or amended or lost, and so forth. To me, the preservation is not an indication of divinity.
I have to give him (Reformed Salafi ) credits for the work he put into it BUT this is also the weak point And AP? He was so convincing! I have the feeling that, while he was already a great debater, he is getting even beter ALL the time!
We have numerous texts from the ancient and Medieval times that mention eclipses, comets, supernovae and meteor storms (all which have happened before so people knew about such phenomena) but of course we shouldn't expect anyone to notice a moon split which was never observed before!
the Bayesian evidence required to reasonably believe in an infinite omni-God, is infinitely high. it doesn't matter if Quran uses some ring structure or muhammad predicted people would make buildings, they are NOTHING compared to the infinitely complex conclusion which you want to reach.
AP. 🔹Muhammad was surrounded by people who supplied him with all sorts of information to build his prophethood franchise. 🔹He spent 15 years in the house of khadija and was around waraqa. 🔹He had family who ascribed to Judaism and some to Christianity. 🔹He traveled to levant the epicentre of all faiths especially Christianity and Judaism. 🔹He had unlimited supplies of scriptures he inherited from the house of khadija and the entire collection waraqa possessed. 🔹He sourced more material from people who brought him fables , stories , religious heresies and folklore from surrounding nations especially Persia.
Muhammad never existed. Arab branch of Masons invented him, wrote the Quran (deliberately how it is with all the inaccuracies, etc) and founded Islam so that it would be the common enemy religion thru the ages which would justify mass sacrifices (i.e. wars) and draconianism in the future. It's all working...
Correct, but you forgot to add that Mo borrowed a lot of stories of the Talmud! E.g Abraham burning in a furnace and God saved him is NOT in the bible but mentioned in the Talmud. Lol.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
@@antygona-iq8ew because he's muslim. If your culture doesn't even let people paint living creatures or do music you'll get really easily impressed by anything
The guy clearly has recently taken probability theory course and wanted to show how much he knows. Dude your prior is so less that the conditional is 0. Can you tell what will be the MLE for your proposed argument?
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
" It was narrated one day , that Apostate Prophet ( peace and blessings be upon him ) said to muslims : ' Where does the sun set ? ' at his words ; the mohamedans remained silent . " Jun - Gibril Al Dailat , Book 21 , verse 11 , Brand New Qu ' ran .
I'd like to quote what Noah (Nūḥ) - ʿAlaihi as-Salam - said to his people in 11:38-39. And he constructed the ship, and whenever an assembly of the eminent of his people passed by him, they ridiculed him. He said, "If you ridicule us, then we will ridicule you just as you ridicule. And you are going to know who will get a punishment that will disgrace him [on earth] and upon whom will descend an enduring punishment [in the Hereafter]."
"From an early date Muslim scholars recognized the danger of false testimony and hence of false doctrine, and developed an elaborate science for criticizing tradition. “Tradition science,” as it was called, differed in many respects from modern historical source criticism, and modern scholarship has often disagreed with the evaluations of tradition scientists about the authenticity and accuracy of ancient narratives. But their careful scrutiny of the chains of transmission and their meticulous collection and preservation of variants in the transmitted narratives give to medieval Arabic historiography a professionalism and a sophistication without precedent in antiquity and without parallel in the contemporary medieval West. *By comparison, the historiography of Latin Christendom seems poor and meager, and even the more advanced and complex historiography of Greek Christendom still falls short of the historical literature of Islam in volume, variety, and analytical depth."* Lewis, Bernard (2001). *Islam in History: Ideas, People, and Events in the Middle East.* (2nd ed., Open Court). pp. 104-105.
@@opulencebeats Making up ridicules is neither a logical nor a rational basis for overlooking the historical characteristic accuracy of islamic documentary methods, on claims and incidents, within the study of al-Ḥadīth.
@@Mohamed-wp9kw ok buddy, it seems that your having a little stroke. The so called “preservation” of the Quran has been proven to be very poor. Instead of reading through a dictionary to find big words to make yourself sound good, read the pile of rubbish called the Quran and intellectually conclude if it’s depictions of our cosmology are accurate or just the byproduct of a deluded 7th century merchant
The quran literally says Mohammed did not perform miracles, people were asking why hasn't Mohammed performed miracles and his excuse was that you would not believe them. Sura 6:37. So why in the name of zam zam water is RS at 16:05 saying he performed miracles, why is the hadith contradicting the quran? sighhh
There is something in the Quran about how Muhammad would “prove his prophethood” and some people witnessing would say “passing magic” or something like that.
A for effort to this young man, but there’s a fallacy. Mathematics are objective however in his sums the Math is based upon subjective interpretations which therefore make his Math also subjective.
Reformed Salafi seemed like an indoctrinated and unreasonable but still genuinely nice guy... until he said he supports punishment by death for apostasy and jizya for non-Muslims living in Islamic states/countries. 🤦♀️ Remember guys, there are lots of Muslims out there like this. I've personally interacted with a woman who seemed really nice at first but then supported killing non-Muslims if they don't convert or pay jizya during Islamic conquests/invasions of other countries.
God doesn’t make error. One error is enough proof it is not from God. Islam, quran and muhammad hv plenty of errors, contradictions ………….and stupidities.
there is not a single mistake in the quran its an absolute truth its not like a modern book that contain many mistakes meanwhile quran contain 365 mention day 30 mention days (plural) 12 mention mont
@@Peachblueberrycake really? also Qur'an states the sun sets on a murky spring. Semen comes from rib bones. Ants can speak to humans. The earth is flat as a carpet. Abraham built the kabba And many more mistakes 😂😂
@@Peachblueberrycake r u sure? 1. How is Maryam ( Virgin Mary ) the daughter to Imran ? Imran was also the father to Musa and Harun? How was that possible?
@@Peachblueberrycake There are multiple mistake sin the quran, stop being mind controlled by propaganda and learn to study, there is tremendous knowledge in the world, the quran has none.
Recently cooirs of the early Quran in the original Aramai have been found, it was written about Jesus. How would these calculations and theories account for that? A relative who is epileptic describes those symptoms and when experiencing a fit makes those sounds. They dont claim to be a prophet because of it. Unfortunately, being desperate to prove his existence using these hypotheses does not make him either a prophet or even prove that he existed. Mecca was a larger addition, earlier qiblahs pointed to Petra, the stories he based his book on all come from the North, around Baghdad and in Iran, nowhere near where the current holy sites are to be found,
Well that last question's response was disturbing to hear from a seemingly intelligent educated guy in 2022. Freedom must not be a word in their vocabulary?
You mean to tell me that the Guy who Cut the Moon in half isn't real? Does that Mean that the Dictator Kim Jong Un isn't a God who never poops or pees? WHAT! NO WAY!
Islam bounds people that believing in “Allah” automatically equals to believing in Mohammed. I believe in God, I don't believe in human. Human always have an ego no matter how “pure” or ”close” to God. This is part of the definition and configuration of being human. Mohammed was a human as he said himself, not even to mention that he had way to many egoistic traits and desires for sex and power and mistakes than most people on average.
About the "high buildings" Prophesy, MO also discribed what kind of people will build them! Arabs with naked feet and short pants! Didn't see that happen!
I missed the live debate....ugh... my question would have been.......apostasy is against God. But why in Islam if you say something about allah.....no problem, but when you say something about MoMo it’s apostasy and punishment is chop off the head ?....
If Salafi is correct about his equation and apply to other religion.The probability is that all religion will be true. If all religion is true therefore islam false.
He tried really hard to sound smart at the beginning and like he was saying something smart. But if you really pay attention to what he's saying it's just verbal fluff.
The young man has a jihadi style haircut rather than typically salafi. Was he transformed from merely a salafi to a jihadi? Horrible what religion does to people, specifically islam.
I think I'm going to do an in depth analysis on this guys opening statement when I've got the time. I haven't heard such utter bullocks in while, hate how he assumes using KCA, and other theistic arguments to argue that a God exists supports the god of Islam. His methodology to make Mohammed a true prophet is only fueled by the fact that he's already a muslim and biased. Let him make this argument taking a skeptical approach and he'll see how silly that opening statement was
When they were talking about jinns stealing stuff at night and rs said "well van you prove that it doesn't/ didn't occur"? Ap should have said "well you can't prove leprechauns don't exist either but you don't believe in those do you?"
The opening statement by RS appeared to be geared towards probability (incorrectly so because if you can't argue for the divine creator at the beginning then what follows is irrelevant) yet his answer to the alleged "splitting moon" is that other nations may not have witnessed it because they may have not recorded it (I paraphrase). Given the vast amounts of material we have from cultures all over the world i find that high;y unlikely. We can say that what he is saying is possible but highly improbable and hence, according to his opening spiel, didn't happen.
@@احمدالسيداحمدالسيد8129 Neither the Quran nor the Bible are books of Science but i invite you to bring the points from the Naik/Campbell debate to the table if you think they are good science.
@@misterocain The Qur’an is not a book of science , but a book of signs If you are interested in this debate ideas , perhaps you should watch it , as I may not be able to convey it in the right way
@@misterocain I am interested in the scientific miracles of the Qur’an and would like to share it with you 1- The sun and the moon each have a different orbit (36:40) 2- Everyone has a different fingerprint ( 75:3-4) 3-The atom is the smallest element that has the properties of material , but it splits and there are parts smaller than atom ( 10:61 ),( 34:3 ) 4-The primary celestial substance of the universe is smoke ( 41:11 ) 5-Soldiers of bees are not males, but females, and they have a queen, not a king , But to see this miracle, you must understand Arabic. The idea in the verse is that the verbs used in the verse are directed to females, not males. You can ask someone who speaks Arabic. ( 16:68-69 ) 6-The atmosphere protects the earth ( 21:32 ) 7-evaporation ( 86:11 ) 8-the big bang theory ( 21:30 ) 9-The frontal lobe is responsible for the function of lying ( 96:15-16) 10-Water is the origin of life ( 21:30 ) 11-Iron is not an earth element ( 57:25 ) 12-There are internal waves under the surface of the oceans and in the far depths there is complete darkness ( 24:40 ) 13-The sun is not stationary, but revolves around the galaxy ( 21:33 ) 14-spherical earth ( 39:5 ),(31:29) 15-Atmospheric pressure decreases as we go up ( 6:125 ) 16- universe expansion ( 51:47 ) 17-There are pain receptors in the skin (4:56) If there is anything wrong with it, it is from me and from my understanding If you want any clarification from me on any point, ask me and I will reply to you, Allah willing
@@احمدالسيداحمدالسيد8129 If you cannot convey it in the right way then you must be uncertain of it.I have seen enough of Naik in the past to know he presents poor arguments. I don't know anything about Campbell. Do you think Campbell presents a better case than Naik ?
I’ll make a prophecy today. “In the future people will be travelling to other planets” Does that now mean I’m the “Last prophet” and you should all follow me?
Skip to 17:18. Thank me later.
00:00:00 Reformed Salafi Opening Statement
00:17:18 Apostate Prophet Opening Statement
00:33:15 Reformed Salafi Rebuttal
00:38:45 Apostate Prophet Rebuttal
00:48:53 Open Discussion
01:16:40 Why does Allah harden the Pharaoh's heart?
01:17:54 Why did Muhammad not learn to read?
01:18:20 Naturalist vs Supernatural Explanations
01:19:48 Muhammad forgets verses, is unreliable
01:21:12 "The End is Near" - Muhammad's Failed Prophecies
01:23:03 The Moon Splitting
01:24:21 Muhammad the Psychotherapist
01:25:20 Tall Buildings a Miracle?
01:26:24 Goat Eats the Quran
01:26:49 Verses missing from the Quran
01:27:48 Abraham never existed
01:28:33 Muslim insults AP, asks about Burj Khalifa
01:31:06 Does Reformed Salafi Believe in Apostasy Laws and Oppression?
Thank you AP
Lol! I wish i had seen this before i got bored with probabilities and hypotheses.
Thank you ap
Let's be fair. That's interesting insight that he pointed out the pattern seen in Surah 2 of the Quran. Too bad the rest of the Quran is as organized as the appearance of a trailer park after a tornado hits.
@@smidlee7747 😂
He's such a nice young gentleman, *if we only ignore the little fact that he wants AP basically dead by supporting the Apostasy law!*
He's a gaslighter of the Hitler rank bro
He's as nice as Hannibal lecter is nice towards his food; )
His evidence and complicated terms hide many mental tricks. This kafkatrap has aname
prof quran is the most amzing book in the universe
365 mention day
30 mention days (plural)
12 mention month
etc
@@Peachblueberrycake reminds me how pokytheists used to read into bird shit and palms and the random numbers. And reminds me of the zodiac. When they told Him that, suddenly God spoke to him and told him those who say you're like the zodiac they will burn in hell.
I left Islam and become a human being.
Islam is a delusion written by a death obsessed pedophile who rode a unicorn. Good call!
Islam is the only religion left. It is the truth.
@@zySULTANIslam is of Satan. The prophet Muhammad demonstrates this.
@@zySULTAN 🤣
@@publicsectordirect982 AP had a lot of verses out of context and simply does not represent the current muslims today. the bible has some really dark verses, however they dont follow it because they understand that it was another situation and time. Same goes with islam, it says to fight all jews in the sunnah, yet you dont see us fight jews for no reason at all?
The desperate measures these people are willing to take to try to justify their irrational religion
I am the true prophet, good news just send me 100$ and u get to go to Heaven, And unlike the past nonsense religions in our Heaven u will get to shape it to whatever u wish it to be.
Also there is no other requirements, like no religious laws practices etc required.
exactly, over convoluted arguments while completely ignoring all the wickedness overtly stated in the Quoran and hadiths.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
Christianity is irrational religion the trinity doesn't make sense to anyone even the Pope cant explain it
@@generaljg4373 whatever, it still does not make Islam good or even Allah real.
Was Muhammed a true prophet? Short answer: no. Long answer: most definitely no.
You forgot to add he was a psycothic clown , a bit like the joker .
May God bless his prophet!!!
:DDDD
@@jgdaillet79 lol
Too much for the religion of peace ✌️😄😄😃🤣😂😄😃🤣
When he said "yes to killing of apostates and subjugation of people" that shows us about the real colour of this religion
He copied GODJesus from the OT
@@bluerock9238 Jesus of Vangel never told this..Only the false ISA of quran has told it
@@68zagor
Jesus God of the Bible
The Alpha and the Omega
Says:
Deuteronomy 13:6-11 ESV
“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery....."
Corrections, Islam is not a religion it's a crazy cult. Listen, if Islam was a true religion Muslims would be guided to do the right thing but how come almost all Islamic states are so poor and corrupt. You Muslims should worship the way you please but don't choke up people into believing your so stupid religion I mean cult.
@@68zagor bible says this goofy
Numbers 31:17-18
King James Version
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Keep quiet bozo
Muslim motto: If you cannot convince them, confuse them.
Islam without lies, islam dies.
I invite you to watch the debate on the Qur’an and the Bible in the light of science, available on UA-cam
@@احمدالسيداحمدالسيد8129 I invite you to come to know Jesus as your Lord and Saviour and repent.
@@MichaelCHorler (The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food. See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded ˹from the truth˺!)(5:75)
Hey, Mr. Apostate.
WHERE ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS?
You don't have a college degree, or any Islamic qualifications.
You can only make money via Islam (i.e. making fun of it). That's sad isn't it? Your job is LITERALLY to use Islam for money lol.
Get a life, kid.
@@MichaelCHorler
And I invite you ALL to STFU and simply live your lives because all your Religions seem to do is cause you all to bicker, argue, fight and kill each other. What kind of all knowing and intelligent being would give you clowns a variety of different Religious books and Religions not knowing that all you’ll do is kill fight and kill each other over them🤦♂️?
I'm sorry, but mathematical equations cannot be applied to a text that is consistant almost completely of analogies, symbols, metaphors and accounts of historical events that can very easily be subject to criticism within their 'authoritative' claims. There is no way to mathematically categorize what occured in the Quran, because, like almost all other holy books, the things depicted within it are capable of thousands of interpretations depending on who reads it. Salafi is just spitting out a whole bunch of nonsense that he only intends to help him look smarter but actually did the opposite.
The premise of his argument only works if one already has a biased position in favor of Muhammad as a prophet capable of visions which, like AP said, resemble in our current understanding of the brain more as mental health issues or disease. And for all of the mathematical literary calculations that Salafi seems to want to use to potray his side, he sure relies on his own personal belief in Muhammad throughout nearly the entire debate.
I'm sure his "probability logic" can be applied to all religions. Still makes a nice change to have number salad instead of word salad.
This was a comedy theory of mathematic interpretation by Mohammed himself.
Muhammad liked arithmetic. Despite being illiterate, he could count up to about 20 wives.
@@marcouno4118 Or up to 6 years
@@marcouno4118 😂😂😂
As someone with scientific backgrounds with plenty of maths included.. I was wondering where he's going with all of this introductory math class session and how it's even remotely related to the Quran... Just to realise that All of what he said could be summed up in half a sentence : "If there is enough evidence and proof then the hypothesis become true.".....
The ONLY problem is that the proof he showed is non sense. Keep up the great work 👍 You've just disapproved the Quran. 👏
me too had a good laugh while staring at his "mathematical wonder" 😀
yeah what kind of scientist doesnt want to prime people for a bunch of maths that you want them to follow
First grade science?
omg finally
Omg I was thinking samething
Prophethood was a Hebrew phenomenon. The Arabs heard stories and thought ‘oh yeah well we got a prophet too’ 🤦♂️
True - only they didn’t, because the prophets had to come from among the Hebrews.
Pretty much
The pedophet was called _"The Ear"_ for a reason.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4855 confirm:
I said to `Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar:
(1) Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar." Then Aisha recited the Verse: 'No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things.' (6.103) 'It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil.' (42.51)
`Aisha further said,
(2) "And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited: 'No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow.' (31.34)
She added:
(3) "And whoever tell you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: 'O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord..' (5.67) `Aisha added. "But the Prophet (ﷺ) saw Gabriel in his true form twice."
Exactly,they hate the Jews so much but still took the Jewish god and Jewish concepts and kill over a Jewish idea.idiots 🤣
Desperation makes Muslim apologists do some extremely strange things, to be the correct ones! Like make a mathematical equation to justify a 7th century mentally ill "messenger"🤦..... It's quite sad tbh....
I am the true prophet, good news just send me 100$ and u get to go to Heaven, And unlike the past nonsense religions in our Heaven u will get to shape it to whatever u wish it to be.
Also there is no other requirements, like no religious laws practices etc required.
Facts
Lol true 🤣
The Quran clearly says disbelievers say Muhammad pbuh is mentally ill. So you are no different from pagans back then
If he was mentally ill how xan he be so intelligent to say these things even up ut was a lie..even to lie smartly u need brains...
Everyone loves Jesus. Everyone loves Buddha. No one loves Muhammad but a muslim.
Except for maybe the ignorant liberal westerners who've been decieved into thinking Islam is a religion of peace. 😆
If they knew about who Muhammad really was, they'd dislike him!
Firuz....theyld be stoned to death if they didnt
well so many people love rasullullah in the past and in our modern time but you to close minded to see that
quran is amazing book like
365 mention day
30 mention days (plural)
12 mention month
etc
I dont love budda
This is your assume bro, bring it evidence 🤔
_"Reformed Salafi"???_
Isn't that a massive contradiction in terms???
Ikr
My thoughts exactly 😂
It's oxymoronic
Yes the word "salafi" literally means "follower of the ancestors"
Basically salafism is a sect of Islam that completely believes everything in the Hadith and also completely believes everything the ancient scholars say no matter how retarded it sounds
To be "reformed" is against salafism infact salafi scholars declared any muslim who rejects the salaf (ancestors) is a kafir (apostate)
Reformed Salafi:
The knee bones connected to the thigh bone. The thigh bones connected to the hip bone. The hip bones connected to the cardiovascular bone that’s connected to the neck bone that’s connected to the hypothesis bone that’s connected to the linear structure bone that makes the Linguistic bone sorta complicated to project a solid sound wave that’s above xy and z supported by Ramon Farins doctrinal statement that poses a threat to all vermins who denounce the name of Allah. This is reformed Islam in a nutshell.
Someone get me a violin please
The Islamic guy attempting to use probability theory to cancel out all Mohammed’s absurd sayings and behaviour is hilarious. If nothing else works try blinding them with science😂
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
Why not? 99.5% of "scientists" are atheists who believe the very same shit as muhammad. A man can change his gender using whish thinking? How is that any different from the sun setting in a pool of hot water?
Not science just bunch of complex phylosophy
Well said.
@@proudexmuslim2354 very bad philosophy that legalizes pedophilia. It has been known since the late 60es that leftists want to make pedophilia the norm. All "scientists" are leftists. The only reason for a atheist to be against pedophilia is if it is in the context of a god. Just remove the god, and any atheist will be perfectly fine with it. It is even integrated in feminism which is also "science" AKA atheist religion.
I have been waiting to write this message for a year now and I think now is the best time to get it off of my chest. I was born to one of the largest and most powerful tribes of Saudi Arabia. My family comes from Nejd and are all hardline Salafi Muslims, as was I for my entire life up until about a year ago. I wouldn’t miss prayers or the 4 sunnah prayers throughout the day after prayers except for the asr prayer. I basically lived at the masjid and constantly spoke with the elders of the masjid here in the US (I was born here thank God, but I still retained my family’s beliefs) and learned about my religion very throughly. After enlisting in the Army, I finally met and interacted with people from all over the Country and for the first time in my life, I felt bad for trying to constantly convert my Christian Arab friends to Islam, and I finally decided to open up my brain for the possibility of truth in other religions. I would remember speaking to others, especially Christians, about religion and telling them how they were wrong and going to go to hell if they didn’t change. I was so close minded and would automatically assume they were wrong and wouldn’t even give their arguments the light of day. Well, one day I had a horrible nightmare and complained to my parents about it and they told me to go speak with the imam of our local masjid here in the US. I went and after fajr prayer, I went to ask him about the dream. He said “was it a good or bad dream?”, I said bad and he told me there was a Hadith that said that it was forbidden to speak with people about a bad dream if you get it and that I should pray 2 rakaats and fast 2 days since it’s the devil in my mind. Well this went on for a few months and all of that fasting and praying didn’t change anything. I finally decided to debate my friends about religion while being open to the possibility that they could be right about certain points. Anyways I know this is getting long, but I’m glad to announce that since December of 2021 I was official baptized into the Maronite Catholic Church and am beyond happy and at ease, and I can definitely say I encountered one problem however. I have many Quran verses memorized unfortunately and the way Allah punishes disbelievers and kafirs nearly scared me back into Islam. Even though I knew in my heart that Islam was false and incorrect, I was just so scared about what I heard about hellfire in Islam, that I would have my skin burned until it melted off, only to have replacement skin given to feel the pain again. Fed the worst of food and boiling hot water. I was absolutely terrified about hellfire and and what would happen to me according to Islam. Apostate Prophet, if you read this please just take this in for me man. I’ve watched nearly all of your videos and Habibi you have honestly reassured me that I made the right move. Islam is wrong and never will be right and I thank God every single day I wake up that I found your UA-cam channel. That fear of Islamic hellfire disappeared from my brain and I am finally living stress free now. Well kind of. Being a socially religious person was a double edged sword. In the city I live in, there is a big Arab and Muslim community here that I was very involved with. I cannot state that I left my religion and only a tiny group of my friends know of my conversion to Christianity. If my family were to know God knows what would happen to me and I actually moved out of my house to avoid any issues that may have arose (since I go to Sunday mass every week and occasional daily mass). Something I need to explain about my culture that most don’t understand is that even after I was discharged from the military and got a job afterwards, I still stayed with my parents. My older brother is married and still lives with them, that’s just our culture. You stay with your family until you have the means to live alone, that is why my recently married brother is only now leaving since he secured a very well paying job. This step I took still has a big impact on my extended family’s view of my family. They always ask why I left and always have things to say. Another thing to explain is that our family system is not like the US or the west, our entire extended family must be taken into account and respected like they’re your second parents. I am glad I’m on my own now still in my early 20’s and am finally feeling free. God would never punish someone in such a way and I fully believe that these very scary and sadistic explanations of hellfire were put to scare people from leaving the religion of Islam. I’m glad to say I left Islam and will never join back after watching your videos.
Like I said, if you read this, I just want to thank you so much, from an Arab to a Turk 😉. Be safe brother and keep up the good work!
I read your story and unfortunately it’s often like this. I’m happy for you that you live in the US and that you could open your mind and escape this cult. The suffering is that you can’t tell anyone about this, because the teachings of Islam say that you should be killed for apostasy. And it’s so indoctrinated that even your own blood will try to do you in. My brother, stay safe, be happy, I wish you all the best.
Beautiful story bro, I missed the part where you actually explained what made you leave Islam though.
You discussed with Christians, ok, and then what? What did they tell you that made you not only rethink, but leave Islam entirely? What argument was presented?
2nd, what made you think Christianity is true?
So happy for you. And so sorry you still have to pretend. But it will get easier over time. Seems like you are a good and an a smart Person.❤
U made the wromg choice brother and u will see it one day
@@a.n.8397 So will you one day,the only Truth will set you and others free,🙏✝️🕊
Can we stop saying the quran is linguistically beautiful..
More than half the people cant even understand arabic.
And the dark verses of Quran no one seems to understand.
@@matts8039 don't just read 2 ayats that involves Allah commanding the believers to kill and say "yeah islam is a danger to society", you have to know the context first
well it does sound beautifull when it's in arabic
So?? Thats still doesnt change the fact that the Quran is an eloquent beautiful masterpiece of literature that the best poets have been amazed by and likened it to sorcery.
@@tahahagar7664 garbage
Muhammad for desert pirate.
EX MUSLİM from 🇦🇿
Helal qardas 😂
And butt pirate ☠️ 🏴☠️
Pirates love freedom.
Pirates 1 - mohammed 0
Jinns are scared of security cameras. They never do any mischief when they know they are being recorded 😂
Jinns stopped appearing once the camera was invented in the early 19th century
You can't be too sure about that one My friend, I think You have been lied to I've seen random pieces of clothes on river sides such as socks and shoes and t-shirts scattered along It's SIDE also in dessert highways along the side, poor víctimas of them evil Wicked thieving running cloth hungry stone's, suggest You carry weapon such as a stick to punish these evil gin like Muhammad did back in historical times when we were infested with evil demons of this sort.😂😂
Yes they ar mischeivous little creatures.😂😂👺🏏
When I see someone presenting equations to define arguments, I know I've slipped into the totally insane area of UA-cam.
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All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
Many cultures (Greeks, Egyptians) were building tall buildings for centuries to show off. Hows it a miracle to predict Arabs will also do the same? Dr Ali Muhammad Sallabi's biography of the prophet explains the Arabs were *already* building tall buildings during the prophet's time: "The rich vied [competed] with one another so much in the construction of tall, extravagant buildings that they even used to name their homes and castles"
There's literally an entire tribe-and region-in the Arabian peninsula which was known for building the pre-modern equivalent of skyscrapers centuries before Muhammad had the Koran supposedly revealed to him in Al Hira by Jibril, i.e. a demon.
Brazr you were right, i just came back from 2077, and UAE HAS AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER!
And did you know it was prophecied in the quran too???? In 420:666 it says:
By Allah, before the Judgement Day comes, a Hobbit will be righteous, in admitting that the decendands of you, o Muhammad, will have a large ship, and the ship will be home to the birds which We built to fight the Shaytan, in the western lands, where the Sun sets in mud, before it goes under Our Throne.
AlHAMdullilah!
Thing is with that hadith it goes in stages and thats one at the end. They cherry pick and use taqqiya to spread the lies
So did i suceed in writing anything better than the quran?????
Me: Do you know if Manchester United will win the Premier League again?
You: Prophet Frodo (Pbuh) knows best
Me: Indeed, the day will come when Manchester United will become victorious in the Premier League again.
*now we sit and wait until I get proven to be a prophet*
Out of simple naive curiosity I asked a Muslim friend what Muhammad prophesied. She immediately flew into a rage. "Oh so it's my religion, now!" as if we had been arguing, which we hadn't. The only information I gleaned from this exchange was 'Dont ask'. 😏
@@ilhannahli2569 where does the sun go at night?
That's such a simple question I wished you asked me that conquest of Constantinople, prophecy of arab people competing with each other in higher buildings ,the hour will not arrive until the land of Arabia (Makkah) turns green again which it recently did and many more things you just don't research enough I'm sorry
@@moizkhan8421 why is My Lord not one eyes? Also who is the dajjal supposed to resemble?
@@es-rh8oo about the resemblance thing I don't know exactly but his features would include one eye and the other eye wounded and resembling dried grape and if you wanna make him your lord please do so christians don't have anything left in their religion anyways it's a joke and you already follow the ways of dajjal
The guy talks a lot about Bayesian theory, a priori, posteori. But I bet he would fail miserably in a math test consisting of those problems. He either has no idea about this or just deliberately deceiving the viewers.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
Would you believe both?
I think he's just trying to sound smart...
I would say he has no idea what he talks about.
Mathematics man really ran out of steam when it came to his rebuttal. I guess if he can’t obfuscate he’s got nothing.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
I invite you to watch the debate on the Qur’an and the Bible in the light of science, available on UA-cam
@@احمدالسيداحمدالسيد8129 no thanks. I’m an atheist. I reject all religions, especially Islam, on the basis that they’re improbable and immoral.
@@littlecatfeet9064 You are contradictory
How do you believe in atheism and at the same time blame Islam morally?
I think this is strange
@@احمدالسيداحمدالسيد8129 I don’t “believe in” atheism, it’s a framework for seeing the world as a product of evolution, not as created by a magical force. Having morals is part of human evolution, as without them society doesn’t function. I can morally object to a prophet marrying a six year old, having s3x slaves, and killing unbelievers or forcing them to pay protection tax without consulting a god to do so.
I really felt bad for Reformed Salafi. That must have been tough for him to sit through especially when he didn't present anything of substance at all.
Great job AP, your points were well presented, referenced and supported
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability theory was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
@@sorguvasfen2426 it really was embaressing. I hope he rewatches it critically.
And yes, he's trying to be a Sesquipedalian just like Hijab
@@thenun1846 lol, sesquipedalian
He basically said he wanted ap dead . He's a shameful heathen
@@thenun1846 thank you for the education!
😂😂😎
After looking sesquipedalian up, I totally agree!
My heart sank when he said yes to killing of apostates and subjugation of people.
I cried. I looked at his face and cried again. 😢😢😢😢😢😢
Its unfortunate the kind of hearts human beings possess.
Apostasy in the bible chronicles 15: 13 "all who do not seek the lord the God of Israel were to be put to death" christianity is religion of "love" btw
@@generaljg4373 you just quoted the Bible like your father, the devil. Its not just chronicles, its second chronicles. Was it God's commandment? I'm sure you didn't read it, just the way you didn't read your Islamic garbage.
Please go and bow to your Blackstone and leave me alone.
general jg yes at last days what would you expect to give you flowers because you reject Jesus Christ
I'd bet every dollar I have that he has, at least briefly, considered going to the Middle East to join ISIS, Al-Nusra, HAMAS or a similar group.
@@dark7element the boy has a dark soul. Only Islam can do that to human.
His reason is just "I believe this".
That's a horrible argument.
hes just describing him doing something .. anything .. as opposed to nothing.. jesus if people cant reason i dont know why we pretend they can - like learn how to have a conversation ffs
Its called faith
@@just_someone7667 then by definition you literally can't reason about it - so why even pretend you can
"If I talk fast enough my pretend mathematics becomes true therefore Muhammed"
the sign that quran is from god
365 mention day
30 mention days (plural)
12 mention mont
@@Peachblueberrycake "the sign that quran is from god
365 mention day
30 mention days (plural)
12 mention mont" - no. Just a coincidence. The quran is even worse anti-scientific bat shit crazy than the bible.
@@Peachblueberrycake muhammad split the moon of aisha when she was nine. *_Miracle!_*
@@maalikserebryakov well yes some of minority salafi scholar doesnt really suggest this mathematical amazingness in the quran because our rsullullah saw doesnt examplize this dakwah
but it doesnt mean its not true bacause quran is living miracle
@@Peachblueberrycake ur a wonderful person Mashallah keep spreading the truth of Islam
The young man reminds me of a boy I dated long ago. He has the same tone of voice, and anxiousness when other people disagreed or did not see it as he did. Believed he and his family were set apart, pious and perfect. However, to win, he wouldn't have wished death. He believed if you did not believe the correct way by your life's end, he and his family would go to Heaven and you to Hell.
It truly confuses me that with ALL the hate, division, anger, punishment, misery, destruction, war and mortality of human existence, why would a PERFECT Deity demand we fragile beings harden our hearts in hatred toward one another? Why would God demand, with life as a breath, we no longer are. The complexity and beauty of His creation demand execution. Sitting in delighted pleasure of the pious killing, then, directly to Hell to suffer horror for ALL time.
Rather, let us have mercy ~ if God indeed be the "ALL merciful" letting us come to be enlightened by Truth. The reason being: it may take all our lives?
Isn't it better to allow us our moment on earth, to believe, than extinguish a soul so quickly without mercy, love or empathy?
atheist religion is islam V2,0 and we have already seen the results. More than 110 million people have been slaughtered in the name of atheism in less than 100 years, giving atheism a kill score of 1,1 million/year.
The only thing that Counts in the Hereafter are the moments of selfless love.
That is what i learned from a person who had an NDE.
*The Supreme Personality of Godhead Krishna said who is a truely Saintly Person :* - in Scripture namer Uddhava Gita
O Uddhava, a saintly person is merciful
and so is never inclined to give pain to others. Even if others are aggressive, he is tolerant and forgiving towards all. His purpose in life comes from the truth itself, he is free from envy, and his mind is equipoised in happiness and distress. He dedicates his time to work for the welfare of others. His intelligence is never bewildered by material desires, and
he has learned to control his senses. His behavior is always pleasing, never harsh and always exemplary, and he is free from possessiveness. He never endeavors like ordinary worldly people, and he strictly controls his eating and so he always remains peaceful and steady. A saintly person is thoughtful and accepts Me as his only shelter. Such a person
is very cautious in the execution of his duties and is not disturbed even in a distressing situation. He has conquered over the six material qualities-hunger, thirst, lamentation, illusion, old age, and death. He is free from all desire for prestige, and he offers respect to others. He is expert in reviving the Krsna consciousness of others, and so he never cheats anyone. Rather, he is a well-wishing friend to all, being most merciful. Such a saintly person must be considered the most learned of men. He perfectly understands that the ordinary religious duties prescribed by me in various Vedic scriptures possess favorable
qualities that purify the performer, and he knows that neglect of such duties constitutes a discrepancy in one’s life. Having taken complete shelter at My lotus feet, however, a saintly person ultimately renounces such ordinary religious duties and worships Me alone.
He is thus considered to be the best among all living entities.
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@@rudigerk Golden 🥇 Words
It's a fallen world and we are sinful beings. In Christianity it's the devil that tells you you're fine as you are, so to speak, or even that you can be like God.
But asking why there's suffering and death in a perfect world isn't really relevant when the world isn't perfect.
I'm not sure how Ridzuan managed to contain his laughter while the boy gave a phoney maths presentation in power point. Well, was that humorous or repulsive? 🤣🤣🤣
This is the most bizarre case I've ever seen.
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You pick up a drug-addict pretender who is confused by your evil trap question! What is your motive Apos-prostate cancer? What do you gain by plotting all this evil propaganda? In my country and neighborhood; a mix of all religions live in harmony and brotherhood relationship. Even though that crack dude is sure of his statement, he speaks for himself. Can you be fair and honestly answer my question, Apos; Do you really think and believe that all the Muslims in the world are on a mission to kill every non-Muslim? You are promoting hatred and violence Apos. One of these days, KARMA will come and get you Apostate right between your eyes. The sad thing is that; you won't realize it, only regret left for the rest of your life. I pity you Apos.
u just lack logic and brain cells lol
Bearing in mind that we have different time zones, but only one moon - you'd think that someone, somewhere, saw it get split and might have bothered to mention it. But apparently they didn't.
THAT would be the miracle...
Search one message foundation moon split
It is mentioned actually surah qamar search it up please
Well, I wasn't expecting a lecture on Bayesian theory...fun fun fun on AP's channel
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It's a while since I was involved with Bayesian theory but most stats are to identify links or correlation from large volumes of seemingly mutually exclusive data.
Using Islamic texts, hearsay etc are not random or independent. So, is it even a correct use of Bayesian theory?
@@josm1481 I do inferential stats but would like to do Bayesian. Maybe won't learn from this lad though, his assumptions seemed dodgy and I stopped listening
@@ProfYaffle I'm not sure Bayesian stats are relevant, as most stats aren't relevant to clearly linked data. Stats usually try to find the correlation but if you're using references to Muhammad that come from rumours about him the correlation is direct.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
Mind blowing , an intelegence young man who uses his brain to defend madness !
The most obvious false proFit in history! 👋
proof rasullullah saw is prophet of god
365 mention day
30 mention days (plural)
12 mention month
etc
@@Peachblueberrycake but still says earth is flat n sun revolves around the earth..😂😂
Hence proved dates n days mentioned in quran is a copy paste.
@@nova8460 quran doesnt say that just try to learn in islamic website and you know the truth
@@Peachblueberrycake lol we r showing it from ur quran n telling..u won't understand coz ur blind n dumb.. ur being fooled n ur worshipping a devil.
@@rohaizatraub61 better luck next time mutha boy 😂😂
I think Reformed Salafi is having personal problems. He didn’t seem his normal self. He was really enthusiastic and switched on in their first debate. Something was troubling him during this second one. I hope everything is okay.
He’s probably realised he’s been talking shite.
it's because of the topic of the first debate. muslim apologists are usually comfortable in theological arguments, argument about the existence of creator. but when it comes into proving that islam is the true 'god given' religion, they become clueless and start talking nonsense
@@akibanu007 Its just far easier and much more convenient attacking bible than defending the impossible stupidity of islm. In this way they dont end up looking like complete clowns inside their own circus.
It must be his jeans or should I say Djinns
reformed salafi was clearly unprepared. Asking for clarification on clear cut questions and statements, inability to remember past arguments, multiple mic cuts and awkward head scratching and idle glances. This was supposed to be a debate and he came with ineptitude and obvious bias. Not to mention his casual and direct response to death of apostates.
As most of us know that the most of the Hadiths like (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim etc) aka the Sunnah of Muhammad were incorporated into Islam 200 years after the death of Muhammad during the Abbasid Caliphate (The golden age of Islam) and it is highly likely that the Hadith of 360 joints was come from the medical advancements which were made in the Sassanian Dynasty. There was a Hospital and University in the Persian city of Gondishapur during the Sassanian Dynasty of Persia this Academy of Gondishapur was famous worldwide in the 5th and 6th century CE and many Persian, Hellenic Greek and Nestorian physicians study and work on human anatomy and medicine after the islamic conquest of persia this university survived the attack of Arabs and the scientific advancement made during the Sassanid Dynasty were later translated into Arabic and many surviving persians after converting to Islam they were relocated in the House of wisdom in city of Baghdad during the Abbasid Caliphate (that's the Islamic Golden age is just a rebranding of the scientific advancements made under the Sassanid Persians and Hellenic Greeks)
All they know how to do is steal and lie. Pretty pathetic.
They dont get kudos for stealing others work after they take them over.
You left out the Indians and Chinese.
@@trollarasan Yes they too
There are many hadith books before sahih al bukhari and sahih muslim they are just the first one's to have the prophets sayings separated from the companions sayings and put in order there are many books with hadiths before them for example ( موطأ مالك بن انس، كتب عبدالله بن مبارك ، كتاب الاثار لابي يوسف القاضي ، مسند ابي حنيفة) and these are just from the top of my head you could find a lot more some even with there original manuscripts existing today
Other than that we have narrations you could go back and explain to us why all these people would conspire to lie
@Sabbath D'inverno what i meant by a conspiracy is that authentic hadiths don't come out of nothing for a hadith to be considered authentic (sahih) we need to have a chain of narration with each person in the chain having a biography "ترجمة" and and most chains were collected by several scholars so there has to be a conspiracy for hadith like that to slip in especially if it had several connected and authentic chains
I am not a biologist but i read that number could 360 depending on how you define a joint either way this hadith just increases the probability of the prophet's truthfulness and alone wouldn't be much but if you put this next to several other prophecies and the prophet's life circumstances it would be unreasonable to say that he's not telling the truth
This analysis fails if the Koran was edited by multiple authors and selected portions were deleted. What’s the probability of those conditions?
100% Probability! Watch Thomas Alexander's UA-cam Channel.
@@resegnador.hitita9092 Rofl.
I predict that I will fart in the next few minutes.. **eats beans and broccoli** aah.. prophecy. 😌
Well I didn’t fart. So you aren’t a prophet!
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Pity folk like Hamza of Hamza's Den are too scared to debate AP unless outnumbering him by about five to one.
Actually they proved AP doesn't know crap
@@massoudatef7267 They muted and spoke over him, and counter-argued with ''No''. That is not proof of anything, and childish at best.
@@massoudatef7267 They proven to who? AP is an ex Muslim.
AP doesn’t even need to open his mouth.It’s enough to hear the Muslims arguments for the rest of the world to see.Those videos are actually the best to show how primitive some of us really are…
@@markustanbeck9149 just like how AP told the mythvision to mute the guy cause he was losing?
AP responses. He got owned. Why couldn't he name another place other than Mecca when he claimed it's not what the Bible is referring to? He didn't have an answer. This guy has been exposed many times
@@echoe4806 yup that's why there are more reverts coming back to Islam everyday. Don't talk to me about primitive you follow a guy who agrees that there is nothing wrong with incest
I was a professional debater (debating in national championships). A "debate" is not a loose term. It has specific rules, depending on the debate platform ("LD", "CX", etc).
Right off the bat, I see the Affirmative debater (that Muhammed was a true prophet) trying to define a debate structure, specifically, how to weigh or judge evidence. This structure is already defined in the type of debate (LD in this case) and cannot be changed or deviated. For some reason, the Affirmative debater is teaching, defining, or trying to establish the debate structure, himself, according to his own beliefs or expectations. That's not allowed and that's not how debate works. Any flow judge will shakes his head and throw all his out (and probably question why you are teaching him how to do his job as judge). You might be able to confuse a stupid lay judge with this non-sense, but if I was the judge of the debate, I'd be wondering why you are throwing away your time instead of laying out your contentions. Remember, when a flow judge's paper is blank (meaning he has not begun flowing your arguments into his flow chart) then you are not gaining any ground in the debate.
TLDR: You can't tell the judge how to rule in your favor. This is equivalent to Johnny Cochran ordering the jury, "If the glove doesn't fit, you MUST acquit".
The Guy here is clearly a """master debater""""
@@TheMentalblockrock Funny story, in my government class, (not my debate class) we were all assigned to debate. The subject was whether or not we should debate in this teacher's class, which is kind of meta in an inception kind of way. While the other students were going against students, I was the only student who got paired against the teacher, because I was the only government student with experience in debate class (the teacher later told me he was actually worried about debating me for this reason). While he focused on the "debate is a good and useful skill we all need and would be beneficial to everyone" approach, mine was different. My angle was, "Sure, debate is wonderful, blah, blah... but focus on the last three words... does debate belong IN THIS CLASS?" I went on to argue that government was a required course, however, debate was an elective, which means that the state does not feel that debate is required in order to graduate. But by inserting debate into the required government class, this made debate a requirement, since it was now part of your government class grade. I even pulled up the teacher's own government class syllabus from the beginning of the year, which never mentioned debate.
I was trying to convey that a person could fail to graduate potentially for not being capable of or having skill in an otherwise optional and avoidable elective. But my choice of words made the class burst out laughing. I said...
"By adding debate to a government class' grade, it risks your graduation. Therefore, if a person cannot master debating..."
Yeah, I don't know why I said that.
Magnificent explanation my brother.👍
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
@@sorguvasfen2426 It does the opposite. It makes it sound like the points he makes need some sort of special pretext just so they won't immediately get dismissed for being ridiculous.
Muhammad found the same shrooms growing in the mountain caves that Moses did. Moon splitting and talking burning bushes, yeah I bet it was good shrooms
Reformed Salafi is very undergraduate, naive and misinformed. I almost feel sorry for the guy except for the brutal fact that he harbors ideas that are inherently violent. Apostate Prophet, one can see, has a gentle heart. It is this belief in God or Allah that causes the type of violence that are much less likely among secular humanists.
You messed up bringing up how he received revelation in the sound of a bell. You forgot to bring the other Hadith’s where it states the instrument of satan is a bell. Clearly satan appeared to him, not Jibreel.
Everybody :Where is the evidence Salafi Reformed?
Salafi reformed: Trust me Bro..
Nothing different from kiddy diddler atheist who claim there are a billion different genders and women have dicks and men can menstruate, is it?
Source?
More than 110 million people have been slaughtered in the name of atheism in less than 100 years
@@resegnador.hitita9092 he gave no evidence. All he said is "if allah exists we would expect this. And if the opposition cant prove my hypothesis false then my hypothesis is more probably true".
Thats his entire openning argument.
Its by definition, argument from ignorance fallacy "im more true till u prove me false"
Bingo. Nailed it, brother!
Does Bayesian theory hold up to clearly biased events? The defense of Islam he's using seems deeply flawed at root.
I think his k is wrong.
That is, no-one thinks the Quran is eloquent and beautiful unless they have been indoctrinated with that opinion from birth... well, hardly anyone
@@ProfYaffle Or after a person smoked a lot of weed.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
@@ProfYaffle Not exactly true. Kiddie fiddler atheists also believe that quran is divine. Why else would they defend islam? And the claim of atheist religion is that a man can change his gender using whish thinking and that incest is fine How is that any different from islam?
@@smidlee7747 Not even, I have smoked Weed for the past decade and my favorite beautiful best written books in my opinion are the Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit and The Silmarillion. The Quran and Hadith are shit arab fables and bad fanfic and in comparison to actually good writing like Lotr, it's boring and rotten who would ever say the Quran is beautiful but a person brainwashed since birth and even a quarter of them leave islam? The Quran is awful and boring in my Weed smoking opinion.
Ufman! What about Ufman discovering that Muslims everywhere had Qur'ans that differed widely from each other so, he gathered them up and burned them? Ufman was not one of the 5 men Muhammad (BPBUH) said from only them, you were to learn the Qur'an. This is the Qur'an (maybe?), we have today?
Nah, they don't have it in Uthman time Arabic had no vowels or dots!
Even if they had it nobody would be abel to read it! Without dots and vowels you can read several words from one word when you add them as you think could be right!
Dawah people are desperate, they are sending their teenagers to the frontline
Reformed Salafi's opening statement was so much of time wasting.
He didn't take to account that his premises, which will be drawn from Islam and its books, will be stupid. Like sun setting in a muddy pool. Or that you marry your son's wife.
Too much logic for stupid premises.
Very stupid explanation. They trying to convince people about Islam
1:05:00 RS says that we have "early manuscripts" of the Quran, so we "can be confident" that it's remained identical/consistent from the time of Muhammad, which is not entirely true. The earliest fragmental manuscript (the Sana'a palimpsest) does date from the lifetime of Muhammad, but therein lies the trouble. It's a palimpsest--meaning that there's undeniable and categorical rewriting/revising in the artifact itself. The manuscript all but proves that the Quran is not unchanging.
Yes, but as Mythvision’s recent interview of a scholar on the preservation of the Quran showed, it is LARGELY preserved, with not many differences from earliest copies. My issue is with the contents: We have no way to establish what Muhammed actually said, if it was copied or memorized verbatim, if verses were added or amended or lost, and so forth. To me, the preservation is not an indication of divinity.
I believe the palimpsest has been dated to BEFORE Muhammad was born
@@nickwardmusic I read that it’s been dated to between 578 and 668 CE, so written after the usual 570 CE given for Muhammed’s birth year.
@@nickwardmusic I think the range to which it's been dated does cover some years previous to his birth, but that's just a range.
@@tintinismybelgian ok thanks
Short answer "No". Long answer "no he wasn't".
I have to give him (Reformed Salafi ) credits for the work he put into it
BUT this is also the weak point
And AP? He was so convincing!
I have the feeling that, while he was already a great debater, he is getting even beter ALL the time!
We have numerous texts from the ancient and Medieval times that mention eclipses, comets, supernovae and meteor storms (all which have happened before so people knew about such phenomena) but of course we shouldn't expect anyone to notice a moon split which was never observed before!
the Bayesian evidence required to reasonably believe in an infinite omni-God, is infinitely high. it doesn't matter if Quran uses some ring structure or muhammad predicted people would make buildings, they are NOTHING compared to the infinitely complex conclusion which you want to reach.
AP.
🔹Muhammad was surrounded by people who supplied him with all sorts of information to build his prophethood franchise.
🔹He spent 15 years in the house of khadija and was around waraqa.
🔹He had family who ascribed to Judaism and some to Christianity.
🔹He traveled to levant the epicentre of all faiths especially Christianity and Judaism.
🔹He had unlimited supplies of scriptures he inherited from the house of khadija and the entire collection waraqa possessed.
🔹He sourced more material from people who brought him fables , stories , religious heresies and folklore from surrounding nations especially Persia.
Muhammad never existed. Arab branch of Masons invented him, wrote the Quran (deliberately how it is with all the inaccuracies, etc) and founded Islam so that it would be the common enemy religion thru the ages which would justify mass sacrifices (i.e. wars) and draconianism in the future. It's all working...
You just repeating what others are saying without even reading the quran
@@Ahmed-kz2of
I did. But you didn’t because it’s not even your language.
Correct, but you forgot to add that Mo borrowed a lot of stories of the Talmud! E.g Abraham burning in a furnace and God saved him is NOT in the bible but mentioned in the Talmud. Lol.
oh yeah and you completely ignored the fact that The prophet Mohammad PBUH didn't know how to read nor how to write
If this was a soccer match, the final score would be A.P. 10, Salafi 0.
It much easier to cast doubts than male a statement.
@@karimtemri1664 please explain what you mean.
@@smijoss what point are you making ?
@@smijoss I have no recollection of asking Karim any question. Please let me know the question I am supposed to have asked.
Nobody should laugh at this mathematician. This opportunity to develop his "theory" is his day of glory.
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
@@sorguvasfen2426 then he has really bizarre way of understanding what is impressive.
@@antygona-iq8ew because he's muslim. If your culture doesn't even let people paint living creatures or do music you'll get really easily impressed by anything
Salafi's argument :-
If u cant prove im false, then im right
more like it is right because it is written in quran
we dont need logic and proves because it is said by mohammad sorry pedo mohammad piss be upon him
That's all religious people.
Today my brother came to me and asked me if I can proove that the moon was not split.After that my brain left my body
The guy clearly has recently taken probability theory course and wanted to show how much he knows. Dude your prior is so less that the conditional is 0. Can you tell what will be the MLE for your proposed argument?
Bingo
All of Salafi’s waffling about probability was nearly meaningless and entirely unnecessary. Salafi clearly just wanted to sound impressive Mojab-style.
" It was narrated one day , that Apostate Prophet ( peace and blessings be upon him ) said to muslims : ' Where does the sun set ? ' at his words ; the mohamedans remained silent . "
Jun - Gibril Al Dailat , Book 21 , verse 11 , Brand New Qu ' ran .
I'd like to quote what Noah (Nūḥ) - ʿAlaihi as-Salam - said to his people in 11:38-39.
And he constructed the ship, and whenever an assembly of the eminent of his people passed by him, they ridiculed him. He said, "If you ridicule us, then we will ridicule you just as you ridicule. And you are going to know who will get a punishment that will disgrace him [on earth] and upon whom will descend an enduring punishment [in the Hereafter]."
"From an early date Muslim scholars recognized the danger of false testimony and hence of false doctrine, and developed an elaborate science for criticizing tradition. “Tradition science,” as it was called, differed in many respects from modern historical source criticism, and modern scholarship has often disagreed with the evaluations of tradition scientists about the authenticity and accuracy of ancient narratives. But their careful scrutiny of the chains of transmission and their meticulous collection and preservation of variants in the transmitted narratives give to medieval Arabic historiography a professionalism and a sophistication without precedent in antiquity and without parallel in the contemporary medieval West. *By comparison, the historiography of Latin Christendom seems poor and meager, and even the more advanced and complex historiography of Greek Christendom still falls short of the historical literature of Islam in volume, variety, and analytical depth."*
Lewis, Bernard (2001). *Islam in History: Ideas, People, and Events in the Middle East.* (2nd ed., Open Court). pp. 104-105.
@@Mohamed-wp9kw Ok? what is your point 😂
@@opulencebeats Making up ridicules is neither a logical nor a rational basis for overlooking the historical characteristic accuracy of islamic documentary methods, on claims and incidents, within the study of al-Ḥadīth.
@@Mohamed-wp9kw ok buddy, it seems that your having a little stroke. The so called “preservation” of the Quran has been proven to be very poor. Instead of reading through a dictionary to find big words to make yourself sound good, read the pile of rubbish called the Quran and intellectually conclude if it’s depictions of our cosmology are accurate or just the byproduct of a deluded 7th century merchant
The quran literally says Mohammed did not perform miracles, people were asking why hasn't Mohammed performed miracles and his excuse was that you would not believe them. Sura 6:37. So why in the name of zam zam water is RS at 16:05 saying he performed miracles, why is the hadith contradicting the quran? sighhh
There is something in the Quran about how Muhammad would “prove his prophethood” and some people witnessing would say “passing magic” or something like that.
Meanwhile, Allah remains unavailable for comment. May god b-less.
The open discussion was Amazing. Good work AP.
A for effort to this young man, but there’s a fallacy. Mathematics are objective however in his sums the Math is based upon subjective interpretations which therefore make his Math also subjective.
Reformed Salafi seemed like an indoctrinated and unreasonable but still genuinely nice guy... until he said he supports punishment by death for apostasy and jizya for non-Muslims living in Islamic states/countries. 🤦♀️ Remember guys, there are lots of Muslims out there like this. I've personally interacted with a woman who seemed really nice at first but then supported killing non-Muslims if they don't convert or pay jizya during Islamic conquests/invasions of other countries.
They are snake in sheep clothing. Can’t trust.
God doesn’t make error. One error is enough proof it is not from God. Islam, quran and muhammad hv plenty of errors, contradictions ………….and stupidities.
there is not a single mistake in the quran its an absolute truth its not like a modern book that contain many mistakes meanwhile quran contain
365 mention day
30 mention days (plural)
12 mention mont
@@Peachblueberrycake really? also Qur'an states the sun sets on a murky spring.
Semen comes from rib bones.
Ants can speak to humans.
The earth is flat as a carpet.
Abraham built the kabba
And many more mistakes 😂😂
@@Peachblueberrycake r u sure?
1. How is Maryam ( Virgin Mary ) the daughter to Imran ? Imran was also the father to Musa and Harun?
How was that possible?
@@Peachblueberrycake There are multiple mistake sin the quran, stop being mind controlled by propaganda and learn to study, there is tremendous knowledge in the world, the quran has none.
@@Peachblueberrycake blind stupid 😂😂
Salafi's main argument: "PROVE THAT IT IS NOT TRUE!"
It's like saying prove that there are no fairies and unicorns in my house.
Look at the state of this guy in the thumbnail. I already know this one is full of gems!
This debate is totally one sided. That reformed guy seems totally confused. Wasted my time
Hes treating arguments like the Periodic table
Recently cooirs of the early Quran in the original Aramai have been found, it was written about Jesus. How would these calculations and theories account for that?
A relative who is epileptic describes those symptoms and when experiencing a fit makes those sounds. They dont claim to be a prophet because of it.
Unfortunately, being desperate to prove his existence using these hypotheses does not make him either a prophet or even prove that he existed. Mecca was a larger addition, earlier qiblahs pointed to Petra, the stories he based his book on all come from the North, around Baghdad and in Iran, nowhere near where the current holy sites are to be found,
My humble opinion that Abdool is wasting his life
@@mohammadmikail6664 😂 hating others is written in ur cult book why complain 😅
@@local_rocky for people like you, everyone should hate you
He is as gentle as Muhammad was in Mecca because Muhammad had no power in Mecca, but when he came to power he became as violent as he will be!
Well that last question's response was disturbing to hear from a seemingly intelligent educated guy in 2022. Freedom must not be a word in their vocabulary?
Muslim made prophet Mohammed in there imagination
proof quran is the amazing book in existence
365 mention day
30 mention days (plural)
12 mention month
etc
@hope seeker well can you show me one that have a numreical amazingness like the quran have like 365 mention day in singular
@@Peachblueberrycake Which verse of the quran talks about 365 days?
@@Peachblueberrycake And if you did not read other religious books,How do you know those religions are false?
@@PeachblueberrycakeYes and the word "hour" was mentioned more than 40 times 😊.Luckily a day has 24 hours
Not m0hammad nor allah knew the hour. They were both the clueless gods of islam
It's pretty humorous that RS complains about cherrypicking.
Your efforts will not go unrecognised thanks A P
This may be the worst opening argument I have ever seen.
Well done AP
Your debate arguments are really improving 👍🏼
You mean to tell me that the Guy who Cut the Moon in half isn't real? Does that Mean that the Dictator Kim Jong Un isn't a God who never poops or pees? WHAT! NO WAY!
I invite you to read the Quran
Islam bounds people that believing in “Allah” automatically equals to believing in Mohammed. I believe in God, I don't believe in human. Human always have an ego no matter how “pure” or ”close” to God. This is part of the definition and configuration of being human. Mohammed was a human as he said himself, not even to mention that he had way to many egoistic traits and desires for sex and power and mistakes than most people on average.
About the "high buildings" Prophesy, MO also discribed what kind of people will build them!
Arabs with naked feet and short pants!
Didn't see that happen!
I missed the live debate....ugh... my question would have been.......apostasy is against God. But why in Islam if you say something about allah.....no problem, but when you say something about MoMo it’s apostasy and punishment is chop off the head ?....
If someone says anything about Allah its also considered as apostasy and blasphemy so you're wrong.
If Salafi is correct about his equation and apply to other religion.The probability is that all religion will be true.
If all religion is true therefore islam false.
finally, a plane & simple assertion of his "mathematical miracle"
He tried really hard to sound smart at the beginning and like he was saying something smart. But if you really pay attention to what he's saying it's just verbal fluff.
The young man has a jihadi style haircut rather than typically salafi. Was he transformed from merely a salafi to a jihadi? Horrible what religion does to people, specifically islam.
I think I'm going to do an in depth analysis on this guys opening statement when I've got the time. I haven't heard such utter bullocks in while, hate how he assumes using KCA, and other theistic arguments to argue that a God exists supports the god of Islam. His methodology to make Mohammed a true prophet is only fueled by the fact that he's already a muslim and biased. Let him make this argument taking a skeptical approach and he'll see how silly that opening statement was
Salafi sees a guy having a seizure and says “let’s investigate to see there is some truth to his prophecies”
If a = b and b = c therefore a =c hence Muhammad was true prophet.
Lmao mushrik logic
I invite you to read the Quran
When they were talking about jinns stealing stuff at night and rs said "well van you prove that it doesn't/ didn't occur"? Ap should have said "well you can't prove leprechauns don't exist either but you don't believe in those do you?"
That maths equation looks flimsy
This is some excellent mental gymnastics bravo 👏
His therapist probably told him to do this. He obviously needs treatment - lots more.
Arabic goats are very smart, they ONLY eat abrogated verses.
What kind of f****** nonsense am I listening to...
The opening statement by RS appeared to be geared towards probability (incorrectly so because if you can't argue for the divine creator at the beginning then what follows is irrelevant) yet his answer to the alleged "splitting moon" is that other nations may not have witnessed it because they may have not recorded it (I paraphrase). Given the vast amounts of material we have from cultures all over the world i find that high;y unlikely. We can say that what he is saying is possible but highly improbable and hence, according to his opening spiel, didn't happen.
I invite you to watch the debate on the Qur’an and the Bible in the light of science, available on UA-cam
@@احمدالسيداحمدالسيد8129 Neither the Quran nor the Bible are books of Science but i invite you to bring the points from the Naik/Campbell debate to the table if you think they are good science.
@@misterocain The Qur’an is not a book of science , but a book of signs
If you are interested in this debate ideas , perhaps you should watch it , as I may not be able to convey it in the right way
@@misterocain I am interested in the scientific miracles of the Qur’an and would like to share it with you
1- The sun and the moon each have a different orbit (36:40)
2- Everyone has a different fingerprint ( 75:3-4)
3-The atom is the smallest element that has the properties of material , but it splits and there are parts smaller than atom ( 10:61 ),( 34:3 )
4-The primary celestial substance of the universe is smoke ( 41:11 )
5-Soldiers of bees are not males, but females, and they have a queen, not a king , But to see this miracle, you must understand Arabic. The idea in the verse is that the verbs used in the verse are directed to females, not males. You can ask someone who speaks Arabic. ( 16:68-69 )
6-The atmosphere protects the earth ( 21:32 )
7-evaporation ( 86:11 )
8-the big bang theory ( 21:30 )
9-The frontal lobe is responsible for the function of lying ( 96:15-16)
10-Water is the origin of life ( 21:30 )
11-Iron is not an earth element ( 57:25 )
12-There are internal waves under the surface of the oceans and in the far depths there is complete darkness ( 24:40 )
13-The sun is not stationary, but revolves around the galaxy ( 21:33 )
14-spherical earth ( 39:5 ),(31:29)
15-Atmospheric pressure decreases as we go up ( 6:125 )
16- universe expansion ( 51:47 )
17-There are pain receptors in the skin (4:56)
If there is anything wrong with it, it is from me and from my understanding
If you want any clarification from me on any point, ask me and I will reply to you, Allah willing
@@احمدالسيداحمدالسيد8129 If you cannot convey it in the right way then you must be uncertain of it.I have seen enough of Naik in the past to know he presents poor arguments. I don't know anything about Campbell. Do you think Campbell presents a better case than Naik ?
Appreciate AP for wearing the Україна shirt, or at least it seems to be. Huge respect from city Mykolaiv
I’ll make a prophecy today.
“In the future people will be travelling to other planets”
Does that now mean I’m the “Last prophet” and you should all follow me?