Dude...I'm playing tonight and I just can't wait to flip my hi-hats and hope the difference in sound is the same as I've seen in this video. Thank you and please keep posting videos. Subscribed!
Fun Story. Got to the show, forgot my hats (will NEVER forget that feeling) and played the gig with a 16" crash (top) and a "10 splash subbing for the hats. Turned out a lot better than I thought it would. 🙂🥁🤘
Very good advice! A lot of drummers never think to give that a try. I know it’s been a popular trend for quite awhile that drummers combine 2 big crash cymbals and make a hi hat out of that. I don’t care for that sound very much. For me, a nice thick “bottom” hi hat cymbal can give a better stick sound on top. I do wish that people would play the hats reversed as well as the normal way when making hi hat demo videos.
Good tip. Your channel is excellent and very helpful. You demo some tasty chops. Ya got good feel. Those thin hats on top are usually a bit sloshy to my ear. The heavier pie on type Adds definition with thin on bottom actually bringing bottom. Almost counter-intuitive, but experimenting is fun to engage in. It’s the artistry in motion. Thx. Drum on.
@@gravitydrums1391 You already knew- you demonstrated it perfectly. It is a bit funny that “labels” indicated to be used in a “designed for” application may not be the most artistic (ear pleasing approach). I do generally follow “top / bottom” as labeled, but you demonstrating a little label rule breaking is just the right thing to do. You are very accomplished with your sticking and definition! Thx again.
Nice tip! I have a pair of 13" sabians that I love, bit dry sounding like Meinls but they cut thru, not sure what they are exactly, got a heap of sabian cymbals with my 90s Yamaha RCs which was owned by an orchestra (15" 16" hand hammered with turned edges). I have the weckl evos 14" hats, and my gigging hats are 14" new beats (from early 80s) so variety is good.
You're great, THANK YOU SOOOO MUTCH! This is crazy! Just flip the Hat's and you get a Sound like this!? & €#@ This is one of the best video's ever! Thank you very mutch!!! One Love ❤️
I've been fan of one drummer who used 2 bottoms as pair of hats. Never tried it myself. Also, one paiste-geek you tuber recomender mixing B20 and B8 hats, say 2oo2 top and HHX.
I have an early 1980s 14" Zildjian Hi-Hat set flipped that sound amazing. Two years ago the stand got knocked over chipped the bottom symbol and cracked the top one and they dirty grittier. Drilled the hole to stop the crack can't do anything for the chip and I'm dreading the day i have to retire them.
You know Charles.. I have often wondered that.. I think they should actually put recommended Top or bottom hat stamp on the hats.. All I know is that I have been able to reverse the hats so many times to make them sound better.. However, It doesnt work every time for every hat.
Disagree! The harsh clunky ping is gross. Where you hit the hat and how closed they are is the answer. Steve Albini tip-throw some keys in there for some weight.
It definitely isnt a fix all for everyone because hats are all different.. It definitely works for many though .. especially 3 pair of my hats... They record MUCH better as well... at least for me..
I dislike almost every aspect of the thicker cymbal on top. The foot splash, the volume and the weird clangyness and ping (and lack of white noise wash) when playing them wide open, the exaggerated attack (with respect to crunch) when playing them closed... Absolutely not for me. All preference, but I MUCH prefer a medium-thin top, as long as the closed sound is still short and crisp and not all crunch. My custom hats do that. To my personal ears, this pair of hats souns bad in general - I love darker, more complex and dry sounds.
I Understand.. Not all cymbals are the same, Not everyones taste is the same... Sorry it wasnt helpful for you.. As a touring and recording Drummer this trick has helped me many times... Daniel, WHat style of music do you play?
@@gravitydrums1391 No need to be sorry! :) Not your fault our tastes are different. I'm more of a sound/recording enthusiast than an active player (I play weekly worship gigs, as an atheist lol). Else, I record a plethora of styles, from prog rock to funk to singer/songwriter stuff, but not an a professional level.
Disagree! The harsh clunky ping is gross. Where you hit the hat and how closed they are is the answer. Steve Albini tip-throw some keys in there for some weight.
It just depends on the Cymbals and the player.. as a seasoned player I have played with many big named artist for many years It has really worked for me and it seems many others.
Love the casual display of skills in between the talks :D
I discovered that a few decades ago. It’s like having new hats.
Its crazy how almost nobody ever talks about this..
I thought it was common knowledge and practice with drummers to be honest.
I've been doing this for years and is really amazing how simple to get a better sound for almost any set of hi-hats 👏👏👏
Crazy right?! Thanks for supporting and watching the channel.
Dude...I'm playing tonight and I just can't wait to flip my hi-hats and hope the difference in sound is the same as I've seen in this video. Thank you and please keep posting videos.
Subscribed!
Thanks Cesar for the sub.. Let me know how it goes.
it’s really incredible! thanks again and keep on drumming!!
@@MrTijoloVoador SWEET, I love that it has helped me and so many others.
Fun Story.
Got to the show, forgot my hats (will NEVER forget that feeling) and played the gig with a 16" crash (top) and a "10 splash subbing for the hats.
Turned out a lot better than I thought it would. 🙂🥁🤘
That is Hilarious...! Great thinking
I've been doing it for years after accidentally putting the clutch on the bottom hat and liking the feel and sound.
Sweet.
Maybe it's just an issue on my end but the audio is rough on this video when you're speaking. The drums sound great tho
Good ear,.. I was having serious issues software issues but they are now corrected.
Very good advice! A lot of drummers never think to give that a try. I know it’s been a popular trend for quite awhile that drummers combine 2 big crash cymbals and make a hi hat out of that. I don’t care for that sound very much. For me, a nice thick “bottom” hi hat cymbal can give a better stick sound on top. I do wish that people would play the hats reversed as well as the normal way when making hi hat demo videos.
I USED A BACK LINE KIT AND THE HATS WERE BOTTOM ON TOP AND IT FELT AND SOUNDED GREAT THANK YOU NOW THATS WHAT I HAVE DONE FOR 15 OR MORE YEARS
Very Nice.. Thanks Sam.
Amazing tip i will use regularly!
Sweet..
Also don’t forget to use the tilting mechanism whatever it is on your particular hi hat stand helps the sound of your hats chick incredibly
Great Tip.
Very cool & hugely different sound! I'll try this with my old faithful Zildjians 😄👍 just subbed, cheers mate!
Thanks for the support and let me know how it goes.
I put a thin 14” crash as my bottom and a bottom hat as my top hat
Nice, How did you like it?
@@gravitydrums1391 I love it, it’s more washy and blends with the rest of the cymbals well
@@LedWolf7 Exactly!
Good tip. Your channel is excellent and very helpful. You demo some tasty chops. Ya got good feel. Those thin hats on top are usually a bit sloshy to my ear. The heavier pie on type Adds definition with thin on bottom actually bringing bottom. Almost counter-intuitive, but experimenting is fun to engage in. It’s the artistry in motion. Thx. Drum on.
THanks so Much for letting me know.
@@gravitydrums1391 You already knew- you demonstrated it perfectly. It is a bit funny that “labels” indicated to be used in a “designed for” application may not be the most artistic (ear pleasing approach). I do generally follow “top / bottom” as labeled, but you demonstrating a little label rule breaking is just the right thing to do.
You are very accomplished with your sticking and definition! Thx again.
Nice tip! I have a pair of 13" sabians that I love, bit dry sounding like Meinls but they cut thru, not sure what they are exactly, got a heap of sabian cymbals with my 90s Yamaha RCs which was owned by an orchestra (15" 16" hand hammered with turned edges). I have the weckl evos 14" hats, and my gigging hats are 14" new beats (from early 80s) so variety is good.
Im kinda Jealous..lol...
@@gravitydrums1391 haha mostly 2nd hand and on sale 👍
Woww. sSlick. Trying this with my old 15” new beats. Thank you!
Really nice advice. I looking for this sound!
I cant tell you how many times this has helped me through the years.
You're great, THANK YOU SOOOO MUTCH! This is crazy! Just flip the Hat's and you get a Sound like this!? & €#@ This is one of the best video's ever! Thank you very mutch!!! One Love ❤️
Thanks Colin.. I think the last enginner I worked in felt the same...lol Grateful that you got something good out of the post..
Great tip, gonna try it
Nice, Let me know if it works for you Like so many others.
@@gravitydrums1391 btw, the hi hat clutch on the bottom, is it thighten to the rod like the top hi hat? Top looser then the bottom one?
@@stanfordkoch1271 No, You have to leave the bottom clutch completely loose on the rod but a little bit tight on the cymbal
One thing to keep in mind is all hi-hat stands are not created equal. Some are not strong enough in the spring/rod to have a heavier cymbal on top.
You are correct but this has definitely helped me and many others.
Thanks for checking it.
Wonder if it works for my Zildjian a high hat ???
Hey Larry, Yea, It definitely should unless the hats are designed strictly for rock drumming.
now why dont the label them reverse right out of the gate? are the tone deaf at sabian?
I think its just a traditional thing to have the thinner cymbal on top..
Ty will try this!
Let me know how it goes... It has helped me so many times and depending on your hats it should for you as well..
I've been fan of one drummer who used 2 bottoms as pair of hats. Never tried it myself. Also, one paiste-geek you tuber recomender mixing B20 and B8 hats, say 2oo2 top and HHX.
So if I flip my high hat cymbals, I'll get a better sound, or does it depend on the type of cymbals I have?
Hey RAmi, Yes it definitely depends on the cymbals you have but it makes a big difference in most cases.
Perdy kool
Thanks Ed. I kinda think so too.. It seems this is helping many folks so Im grateful.
very good !
Thanks a lot!
Thanks for this!
I have an early 1980s 14" Zildjian Hi-Hat set flipped that sound amazing. Two years ago the stand got knocked over chipped the bottom symbol and cracked the top one and they dirty grittier. Drilled the hole to stop the crack can't do anything for the chip and I'm dreading the day i have to retire them.
Sweet!.. Now that's thinkin'. That's exactly what I would have done.
Can't do it with Master sounds though....they are rippled.
Yea, I didnt think about that but what you can do is aquire a second hat cymbal and use it and change the top out for a different tone.
That was awesome Thanks! Can you also make a video Of you adding the 2nd clutch For us less educated bums! Hahaha Did I say bums! Hahaha 😄
Will Do, Thanks for the Idea.
@@gravitydrums1391 You're so welcome. Can hardly wait! To see the new video. 😀
@@rosssillly Should be a quick one later today
@@gravitydrums1391 Right on! Can hardly wait!😄
@@rosssillly Doing it in a half hour
... doe's it work with Soundedge Hihats? 😬
Hey Mike, Unfortunately no, The sound edge have the ridges and would be a bit too weird.
I always feel bad for the spring in my hi hat stand when I do this.
So why, then, do symbol manufactures package HH with the thicker HH on the bottom?
You know Charles.. I have often wondered that.. I think they should actually put recommended Top or bottom hat stamp on the hats.. All I know is that I have been able to reverse the hats so many times to make them sound better.. However, It doesnt work every time for every hat.
Ever tried it with both bottom hats?
I just tried it with 2 bottom hats and it sounds harsh and awful 😅
Tried this with my 13" New Beats but it didn't work. Mine sound better and play better with the lighter cymbal on top.
YEp! It doesnt work on all hats but does on most. Good on you for trying.
New Beats esp. I remember trying that back in the 80s and the bottom was way too thick.
New Beats were the working man's "K/Z" combo back then.
@@MrRezRising For sure.
Buddy i recommend you nee drum heads
Maybe it's just me but I find the volume on your videos very low with lots of treble. Anybody else finding this?
Hey Elusive,
Yes, you are correct. These videos were from earlier on. The most recent posts are much better. Thats for checkin them out.
My 90’s era sabian aa regular hats sound like garbage with the hats reversed. They sound dull, Tanky, and undefined
YEa, It doesnt work for all hats but does for most..
It actually makes a big difference on all of my hats..
Interesting, I'll try it.....
Let me know how it goes for you.
@@gravitydrums1391 I will when I get back home to my kit. Are you in Oregon..?
@@peterl2820 Im from Miami but relocated to just outside of Memphis..
Disagree! The harsh clunky ping is gross. Where you hit the hat and how closed they are is the answer. Steve Albini tip-throw some keys in there for some weight.
It definitely isnt a fix all for everyone because hats are all different.. It definitely works for many though .. especially 3 pair of my hats... They record MUCH better as well... at least for me..
I dislike almost every aspect of the thicker cymbal on top. The foot splash, the volume and the weird clangyness and ping (and lack of white noise wash) when playing them wide open, the exaggerated attack (with respect to crunch) when playing them closed... Absolutely not for me.
All preference, but I MUCH prefer a medium-thin top, as long as the closed sound is still short and crisp and not all crunch. My custom hats do that.
To my personal ears, this pair of hats souns bad in general - I love darker, more complex and dry sounds.
WHat CYmbals are you using?
I Understand.. Not all cymbals are the same, Not everyones taste is the same... Sorry it wasnt helpful for you.. As a touring and recording Drummer this trick has helped me many times... Daniel, WHat style of music do you play?
@@gravitydrums1391 No need to be sorry! :) Not your fault our tastes are different.
I'm more of a sound/recording enthusiast than an active player (I play weekly worship gigs, as an atheist lol). Else, I record a plethora of styles, from prog rock to funk to singer/songwriter stuff, but not an a professional level.
Disagree! The harsh clunky ping is gross. Where you hit the hat and how closed they are is the answer. Steve Albini tip-throw some keys in there for some weight.
It just depends on the Cymbals and the player.. as a seasoned player I have played with many big named artist for many years It has really worked for me and it seems many others.