Ich finde es schon recht mutig mit so einem kippeligen Seekajak ohne Ausleger zu segeln, wenngleich wohl das Segel optimal an das Boot angepaßt zu sein scheint. In einem deutschen Reim heißt es: Ein schöner Rücken kann auch entzücken. Trotzdem erachte ich die Kameraposition für suboptimal. An dem Video gefallen mir besonders die Anzeigen von Kurs und Geschwindigkeit. Ist es sehr aufwendig diese Anzeigen ins Video zu integrieren? Sind das im 'internet' verfügbare Optionen oder Optionen, welche zur 'hardware' gehören? Welche wurde denn verwendet? I find it quite courageous to sail such a tippy sea kayak without an outrigger, although the sail seems to be optimally adapted to the boat. A German rhyme says: A beautiful back can also delight. Nevertheless, I consider the camera position to be suboptimal. What I like most about the video are the displays of course and speed. Is it very complicated to integrate these displays into the video? Are these options available on the 'internet' or options that belong to the 'hardware'? Which one was used?
It is super cool. Falcon Sails can be rigged on any kayak. You can choose a custom color pattern or see what stock sails are available here. www.falconsails.com/store
This kayak has a rudder, Though a rudder has no impact on a kayaks ability to sail up wind. As a matter of fact, a rudder can only add extra drag which impairs a kayaks ability to sail up wind. If a kayak paddles fine without a rudder without a sail, that same kayak will paddle sail great without a rudder. A rudders main purpose is to give a kayaks ability to be balanced in terms of will it tend to stay on course or not stay on course. A secondary purpose is to make it easy to steer a kayak without using your paddle. This is great for lazy kayak sailing. Lastly a rudder is used for actual steering. If your paddle sails turn left and your rudder says turn right your boat will turn in the direction your paddle sails to turn. The rudder is just for trim. If you have a kayak without a rudder that paddles great in the wind without a sail, it will sail great without a rudder as well. Short wide kayaks without a rudder sail up wind great. In the end, the best kayak and kayak configuration for kayak sailing is the kayak you own and like with or without a sail. They all sail great.
This sail is a 1.0 square meter falcon sail. It has a lot less power, but gives you more paddle stroke freedom, and its higher aspect ration can give you better up wind potential. It is a great sail that is great for learning how to sail your kayak.
Answer Part 1 of 2 on Lee Boards Your question about using a lateral resistance enhancers (lee board / dagger boards / large skegs ) and if they are necessary to sail with a Falcon Sail is a common question, so we have made a canned answer to help people. The short answer is they are not necessary and will get in the way, and create complexities and issues at times. Very well made lee boards can help in some angles of attack but are not helpful in most situations and will get in the way on every outing. They add bulk, drag, weight, complexity, cost, potential failures ect ect. Kayaks sail amazingly well without any lateral resistance enhancer. Near zero falcon sailors use lee boards or other lateral resistance enhancers. There is a longer more detailed answer below. I grew up sailing keel boats, sun fishes, trailer sailors, hobie cats and anything else I could get my hands on. As a conventional sail boat person, I use to think only a boat with a lateral resistance enhancer (lee board / center board / dagger board / keel) will sail properly. We have learned there is a lot more to kayak sailing, than conventional sail thinking will tell you. Conventional sail boat thinking is very helpful at times, but does yield a few misleading assumptions about kayak sailing. As far as needing a lateral resistance enhancer goes, you have to consider a few things before making any assumptions. Look at a Hobie 16 and some other purpose built sail boats. Even as a purpose built sailboat, the Hobie 16 has no resistance enhancer because its hulls have a lot of natural lateral resistance built right in from the start. They have no lee boards, dagger boards, center boards, or keels. Similar to the Hobie 16 Catamaran Sail boat (not a Hobie kayak), kayaks have a lot of natural lateral resistance built into their hulls also and sail surprisingly well without any lateral resistance enhancer. Kayaks are not sail boats, will not point as well as a complex sail boat, but their hulls are fairly efficient at sailing and can make surprisingly good up wind progress. Think about this. Sail boat hulls are designed to be as slippery as possible going forward. A byproduct of a sail boat hull being designed to be as slippery as possible going forward, is a hull that is slippery going sideways (and slippery in all directions actually) and also tends to spin. Modern Sailboat hulls, make conventional sail thinkers believe you must have a lateral resistance enhancer on a kayak. Kayak hulls are designed to track and go in a straight line. This is achieved by having lateral resistance built in throughout the length of the hull, which is what makes them sail surprisingly well without lateral resistance enhancers. To demonstrate how a kayak has a lot more resistance going sideways than forward, imagine pushing a kayak that has an adult sitting in it in the forward direction. Most kayaks will easily glide 30 feet or more. Now imagine pushing that same kayak with an adult in it, in the sideways direction. Due to its lateral resistance it will probably go about 1 or 2 feet after you are done pushing it. Or think about towing a kayak with a person in it, from the side vs towing a loaded kayak from the bow. The kayak towed from the side will be much much slower due to its lateral resistance. In both of these examples you are testing and seeing, a kayaks lateral resistance is significant. Once a kayaks hull is moving through the water, its lateral resistance increases by quite a bit. All this said, with a smart sized sail / one that is not too big, a kayak has plenty of lateral resistance without adding anything to it. Once you build up some speed, a kayaks lateral resistance increases dramatically. Kayaks do not sail as well as a purpose built sail boat, but you can do no paddle sailing and reach across the wind, and even make some upwind progress. Of course a purpose built sail boat will sail better, than a kayak will, but kayaks sail amazingly well. If you have an efficient sail, you do not need a lee board, or center board, or dagger board, or any lateral resistance enhancer to have a great kayak sailing experience. This is what Falcon Sails does. We focus on keeping things as simple, efficient, compact, reliable, and light weight with the best possible performance. All this can be had for less than 3.5 pounds, that can be dropped in seconds and folded down to the size of an umbrella in just a few more seconds. Lee boards and dagger boards add weight, complication, bulk, expense, drag ect. Some people want to turn their kayaks into a sail boat. That is fine, but you will add weight, complication, bulk, expense, drag, set up time at the put in, tear down time at the take out, more rigging, more stuff to store, and if there is no wind, or too much wind, you are better off with a compact sail rig that gives you 70% or more of the sailing benefits in a package that weighs just over 3 pounds that can be lowered and compactly secured to the deck of your kayak in seconds. Everybody has their thing. If you want to have that perfect ideal incredible sailing experience in one situation, you will lose a lot in other situations. There is not a rig that will cover all situations perfectly. If want simplicity and versatility, you will be happiest with a simplistic high quality sail and rig for your kayak. As a life long sailor, I thought the same thing sailors typically think about lateral resistance appendages. I have sailed and owned a lot of different boats. I use to race and skipper and crew on a lot of different boats, and can say I am a decent sailor. My conventional sail thinking made be believe you need a lee board or something on a kayak to sail. And then I tried kayak sailing. The performance of a sail on a kayak amazed me. I was hooked instantly. I was surprised. That was even before there were good quality sail rigs available. Now that I can have a good quality sail rig, and a good airfoil shape, I will not go kayaking without a sail. After kayak sailing for the last 12 years and having paddle sailed thousands of miles, I have never used a lee board or anything like it. None of my friends use lee boards and none of us feel like we are missing anything. continued Answer on Part 2 of 2 on Lee Boards
Answer Part 2 of 2 on Lee Boards Read Part 1 1st. If you keep a good sail trimmed properly, oriented to the wind properly, and have at least 1.5 mph of hull speed, you can reach across the wind, and even make upwind progress of about 10 to 20 degrees above reaching. That is without paddling or a lee board or a dagger board on a standard stock kayak hull. In general terms if you have good conditions, a good sail, and you use decent sail trim, you can easily sail 180 degrees and even up to 220 degrees without paddling and without the bother of any lateral resistance enhancers. If you paddle to keep your speed up and the sail oriented properly to the wind, a good sail, will generate useful propulsion all the way up to within 30 degrees of straight upwind. That is with out without a lateral resistance enhancers. In general once your actual track is 10 degrees above reaching, you have to start paddling to keep things oriented properly. Initially a few small paddle strokes here and there will add a lot to your possible angles of attack. The more aggressively upwind your angle of attack is, the more you have to paddle. But still you can gain useful propulsion to with 30 degrees of straight upwind. With a little bit of planning you can paddle upwind a little bit and reach back and forth all day long and not have to paddle much at all. Once your movement is 10 degrees above reaching, you can not just sit there doing nothing, but you can avoid paddling and reach across the wind all day long, and even make upwind progress without paddling and no lateral resistance appendage or enhancers. With a good sail, kayaks sail very nicely. Just like when sailing a purpose built sailboat, when kayak sailing to maximize your potential, you will have to think about what you are doing. When conditions are good, you can get useful propulsion to within 30 degrees of straight upwind. Anybody who does a lot of kayak sailing with a good quality rig will agree. If it is really windy, gusty, shifty, there are large waves, you are not thinking, you have too big of a sail, the paddle sailor is inexperienced, ect, the 30 degree number is going to grow. I wrote a bit more about this here. www.falconsails.com/KayakSailingFAQ.php#centerboard If you contact me at Falcon Sails, I can send to you a rough draft set of instructions for kayak sailing upwind. www.falconsails.com/contact.php This video shows a clip of a upwind leg I was enjoying last paddle season. It is a lot of fun. ua-cam.com/video/xjzld6MZhCI/v-deo.html I was in a 14 foot long Jackson Journey kayak and making some upwind progress without paddling. I could have made more upwind progress if I paddled, but I can sail with no paddle 200 out of 360 degrees. This kayak has a rounded hull so most kayaks will do a little better yet. This video shows me sailing and tacking upwind with no lee board or dagger board and almost zero paddling. facebook.com/falconsails/posts/4106133799451973 It includes some really neat gps telemetry that makes it easy to see my actual movement. It shows me sailing 200 out of 360 possible degrees. This kayak has a rounded hull which makes it a average performer. If your kayak has a contoured hull, it will sail better / about 10 more degrees on both the port and starboard side. If I started paddling and kept the sail oriented to the wind properly, and kept some motion to help my stock hull generate more lateral resistance, I could have had useful propulsion to within 30 degrees of straight upwind. This is very similar to motor sailing a sail boat. The motor alone can push the sail boat, but using the sail it will speed up faster, have a higher top end speed, will slow down slower, and require less effort to get to your destination. Here is another video of some friends and I enjoying a nice 18 mile paddle sail where we sail about 70% of the day. ua-cam.com/video/RkbSSlYEYl0/v-deo.html If you plan your day well, use good techniques, take advantage of reaching, and not dive downwind you can sail all day long with our without lee boards. Here are some pictures of a typical kayak sailing day, that include a track log of what we sailed and what we did not sail. I had several beginner kayak sailors with me, so I avoided some of the more difficult tacks and we still sailed about 75% of our miles. www.flickr.com/photos/falconsails/albums/72157712563766083 With some planning you can sail most of your miles, and if you just go and not plan anything, you can still sail over 50% of your miles. If you want to sail paddle sail in good conditions, it is easy to sail more than half your miles even if you do not plan anything and just randomly pick lines.
Answer about directional stability. If your boat is balanced it is easy to control your directional stability. If your boat tends to turn up wind, move weight aft or pull your sheet line in. If your boat tends to turn down wind, move weight forward or let your sheet line out. There are a lot of ways to change your kayaks tendencies to turn up wind or down wind. Most kayaks are pretty well balanced to start with. Once you are decently balanced a few paddle strokes will keep you on track.
You can see we are angling just above going across the wind. When the sail is on the right side up wind in on the left side and when the sail is on the left side up wind is on the right side. If you look at the course over water, you can see what way is up wind. Straight up wind is about 250 degrees. I hope that helps. I wish we had time to make a video to clarify more, but this info should be helpful. In any case if you can imagine sailing across the wind, and then turning up wind 10 or 20 degrees from there you can see what can easily be done with a stock kayak and a good quality sail and rig. Of course if you have any questions, you are welcome to contact us at the Falcon Sails Shop. www.falconsails.com/contact.php
@@FalconSails ok . I have never sailed so i dont know what to look for or what is possible . thanks for your reply and good luck with your innovations and sales /sails ;)) .
@@sprintershepherd4359 it does not take long to learn how to sail. You start by running down wind, and slowly turn your way up wind and experiment and see what makes you go faster. It is easy. A few week ends of experimenting and practice, and you will be a sailor.
@@sprintershepherd4359 i have never sailed before either but it looks easy enough and a hell of a lot of fun :-D, i have the 1.1m sail on order and will be fitting it to my sit on top kayak, hopefully it will be shipped to me next week, greetings from Ireland.
I would like to build a sail sea scooter that pull me inside sea. If you sail is 1m2 and if you can reach to 5.5 kg average this sail can produce 20lbs thrust . Did you ever test if your sail pull somebody also inside sea while you are kayaking:) it could be helpfull for my project. I think to use windpaddle
We do not have any data on how hard the sail will push, but with enough wind, it will for sure push with 5.5kg of force. It can even generate 20 pounds of thrust. You just need enough wind. The sail will propel somebody through the water if that is what you are asking. Of course that is very inefficient comparted to having the sail propel a person inside a kayak. I hope that naswe3rs your question.
We do not have the data graph you are looking for. There are a lot of variables besides just wind. there is the angle of attack and boat speed and size of sail that will effect how much push 1 sail can give you. Event the smallest Falcon Sail can push a kayak to maximum hull speed if you have a good amount of wind.
If you keep a good sail trimmed properly, oriented to the wind properly, and have at least 1.5 mph of hull speed, you can reach across the wind, and even make upwind progress of about 10 to 20 degrees above reaching. That is without paddling or a lee board or a dagger board on a standard stock kayak hull. In general terms if you have good conditions, a good sail, and you use decent sail trim, you can easily sail 180 degrees and even up to 220 degrees without paddling and without the bother of any lateral resistance enhancers. If you paddle to keep your speed up and the sail oriented properly to the wind, a good sail, will generate useful propulsion all the way up to within 30 degrees of straight upwind. That is with out without a lateral resistance enhancers. In general once your actual track is 10 degrees above reaching, you have to start paddling to keep things oriented properly. Initially a few small paddle strokes here and there will add a lot to your possible angles of attack. The more aggressively upwind your angle of attack is, the more you have to paddle. But still you can gain useful propulsion to with 30 degrees of straight upwind. With a little bit of planning you can paddle upwind a little bit and reach back and forth all day long and not have to paddle much at all. Once your movement is 10 degrees above reaching, you can not just sit there doing nothing, but you can avoid paddling and reach across the wind all day long, and even make upwind progress without paddling and no lateral resistance appendage or enhancers. With a good sail, kayaks sail very nicely. Just like when sailing a purpose built sailboat, when kayak sailing to maximize your potential, you will have to think about what you are doing. When conditions are good, you can get useful propulsion to within 30 degrees of straight upwind. Anybody who does a lot of kayak sailing with a good quality rig will agree. If it is really windy, gusty, shifty, there are large waves, you are not thinking, you have too big of a sail, the paddle sailor is inexperienced, ect, the 30 degree number is going to grow.
I am sure the calculations shown on the screen are correct. There may be some confusion, that comes from a common incorrect assumption that mph and knots are the same thing. They are not the same thing. 1 knot = 1.15 mph. I hope that helps.
Ich finde es schon recht mutig mit so einem kippeligen Seekajak ohne Ausleger zu segeln, wenngleich wohl das Segel optimal an das Boot angepaßt zu sein scheint.
In einem deutschen Reim heißt es: Ein schöner Rücken kann auch entzücken. Trotzdem erachte ich die Kameraposition für suboptimal.
An dem Video gefallen mir besonders die Anzeigen von Kurs und Geschwindigkeit. Ist es sehr aufwendig diese Anzeigen ins Video zu integrieren? Sind das im 'internet' verfügbare Optionen oder Optionen, welche zur 'hardware' gehören? Welche wurde denn verwendet?
I find it quite courageous to sail such a tippy sea kayak without an outrigger, although the sail seems to be optimally adapted to the boat.
A German rhyme says: A beautiful back can also delight. Nevertheless, I consider the camera position to be suboptimal.
What I like most about the video are the displays of course and speed. Is it very complicated to integrate these displays into the video? Are these options available on the 'internet' or options that belong to the 'hardware'? Which one was used?
Super cool
It is super cool.
Falcon Sails can be rigged on any kayak.
You can choose a custom color pattern or see what stock sails are available here.
www.falconsails.com/store
Useful video, thanks. Importantly, does the kayak have a rudder that you are using, as this could make a huge difference.
This kayak has a rudder,
Though a rudder has no impact on a kayaks ability to sail up wind. As a matter of fact, a rudder can only add extra drag which impairs a kayaks ability to sail up wind. If a kayak paddles fine without a rudder without a sail, that same kayak will paddle sail great without a rudder. A rudders main purpose is to give a kayaks ability to be balanced in terms of will it tend to stay on course or not stay on course. A secondary purpose is to make it easy to steer a kayak without using your paddle. This is great for lazy kayak sailing. Lastly a rudder is used for actual steering. If your paddle sails turn left and your rudder says turn right your boat will turn in the direction your paddle sails to turn. The rudder is just for trim. If you have a kayak without a rudder that paddles great in the wind without a sail, it will sail great without a rudder as well. Short wide kayaks without a rudder sail up wind great. In the end, the best kayak and kayak configuration for kayak sailing is the kayak you own and like with or without a sail. They all sail great.
Great video and demonstration. What was the average or max wind speed in this demo? Thanks!
Is it a 1m or 1.4m sail? Would like to know which one is good for start? Any difference to handling between the two?
This sail is a 1.0 square meter falcon sail. It has a lot less power, but gives you more paddle stroke freedom, and its higher aspect ration can give you better up wind potential. It is a great sail that is great for learning how to sail your kayak.
Very cool, Patrick
@@dancentofanti9968 It is very cool for sure.
Isn't it necessary to use a leeboard when close hauled? How does the kayak maintain directional stability?
Answer Part 1 of 2 on Lee Boards
Your question about using a lateral resistance enhancers (lee board / dagger boards / large skegs ) and if they are necessary to sail with a Falcon Sail is a common question, so we have made a canned answer to help people.
The short answer is they are not necessary and will get in the way, and create complexities and issues at times.
Very well made lee boards can help in some angles of attack but are not helpful in most situations and will get in the way on every outing.
They add bulk, drag, weight, complexity, cost, potential failures ect ect.
Kayaks sail amazingly well without any lateral resistance enhancer. Near zero falcon sailors use lee boards or other lateral resistance enhancers.
There is a longer more detailed answer below.
I grew up sailing keel boats, sun fishes, trailer sailors, hobie cats and anything else I could get my hands on.
As a conventional sail boat person, I use to think only a boat with a lateral resistance enhancer (lee board / center board / dagger board / keel) will sail properly. We have learned there is a lot more to kayak sailing, than conventional sail thinking will tell you. Conventional sail boat thinking is very helpful at times, but does yield a few misleading assumptions about kayak sailing.
As far as needing a lateral resistance enhancer goes, you have to consider a few things before making any assumptions. Look at a Hobie 16 and some other purpose built sail boats. Even as a purpose built sailboat, the Hobie 16 has no resistance enhancer because its hulls have a lot of natural lateral resistance built right in from the start. They have no lee boards, dagger boards, center boards, or keels.
Similar to the Hobie 16 Catamaran Sail boat (not a Hobie kayak), kayaks have a lot of natural lateral resistance built into their hulls also and sail surprisingly well without any lateral resistance enhancer.
Kayaks are not sail boats, will not point as well as a complex sail boat, but their hulls are fairly efficient at sailing and can make surprisingly good up wind progress. Think about this. Sail boat hulls are designed to be as slippery as possible going forward. A byproduct of a sail boat hull being designed to be as slippery as possible going forward, is a hull that is slippery going sideways (and slippery in all directions actually) and also tends to spin. Modern Sailboat hulls, make conventional sail thinkers believe you must have a lateral resistance enhancer on a kayak.
Kayak hulls are designed to track and go in a straight line. This is achieved by having lateral resistance built in throughout the length of the hull, which is what makes them sail surprisingly well without lateral resistance enhancers.
To demonstrate how a kayak has a lot more resistance going sideways than forward, imagine pushing a kayak that has an adult sitting in it in the forward direction. Most kayaks will easily glide 30 feet or more. Now imagine pushing that same kayak with an adult in it, in the sideways direction. Due to its lateral resistance it will probably go about 1 or 2 feet after you are done pushing it. Or think about towing a kayak with a person in it, from the side vs towing a loaded kayak from the bow. The kayak towed from the side will be much much slower due to its lateral resistance. In both of these examples you are testing and seeing, a kayaks lateral resistance is significant. Once a kayaks hull is moving through the water, its lateral resistance increases by quite a bit. All this said, with a smart sized sail / one that is not too big, a kayak has plenty of lateral resistance without adding anything to it.
Once you build up some speed, a kayaks lateral resistance increases dramatically. Kayaks do not sail as well as a purpose built sail boat, but you can do no paddle sailing and reach across the wind, and even make some upwind progress.
Of course a purpose built sail boat will sail better, than a kayak will, but kayaks sail amazingly well. If you have an efficient sail, you do not need a lee board, or center board, or dagger board, or any lateral resistance enhancer to have a great kayak sailing experience.
This is what Falcon Sails does. We focus on keeping things as simple, efficient, compact, reliable, and light weight with the best possible performance. All this can be had for less than 3.5 pounds, that can be dropped in seconds and folded down to the size of an umbrella in just a few more seconds.
Lee boards and dagger boards add weight, complication, bulk, expense, drag ect. Some people want to turn their kayaks into a sail boat. That is fine, but you will add weight, complication, bulk, expense, drag, set up time at the put in, tear down time at the take out, more rigging, more stuff to store, and if there is no wind, or too much wind, you are better off with a compact sail rig that gives you 70% or more of the sailing benefits in a package that weighs just over 3 pounds that can be lowered and compactly secured to the deck of your kayak in seconds. Everybody has their thing. If you want to have that perfect ideal incredible sailing experience in one situation, you will lose a lot in other situations. There is not a rig that will cover all situations perfectly. If want simplicity and versatility, you will be happiest with a simplistic high quality sail and rig for your kayak.
As a life long sailor, I thought the same thing sailors typically think about lateral resistance appendages. I have sailed and owned a lot of different boats. I use to race and skipper and crew on a lot of different boats, and can say I am a decent sailor. My conventional sail thinking made be believe you need a lee board or something on a kayak to sail. And then I tried kayak sailing. The performance of a sail on a kayak amazed me. I was hooked instantly. I was surprised. That was even before there were good quality sail rigs available. Now that I can have a good quality sail rig, and a good airfoil shape, I will not go kayaking without a sail. After kayak sailing for the last 12 years and having paddle sailed thousands of miles, I have never used a lee board or anything like it. None of my friends use lee boards and none of us feel like we are missing anything.
continued Answer on Part 2 of 2 on Lee Boards
Answer Part 2 of 2 on Lee Boards
Read Part 1 1st.
If you keep a good sail trimmed properly, oriented to the wind properly, and have at least 1.5 mph of hull speed, you can reach across the wind, and even make upwind progress of about 10 to 20 degrees above reaching. That is without paddling or a lee board or a dagger board on a standard stock kayak hull. In general terms if you have good conditions, a good sail, and you use decent sail trim, you can easily sail 180 degrees and even up to 220 degrees without paddling and without the bother of any lateral resistance enhancers. If you paddle to keep your speed up and the sail oriented properly to the wind, a good sail, will generate useful propulsion all the way up to within 30 degrees of straight upwind. That is with out without a lateral resistance enhancers. In general once your actual track is 10 degrees above reaching, you have to start paddling to keep things oriented properly. Initially a few small paddle strokes here and there will add a lot to your possible angles of attack. The more aggressively upwind your angle of attack is, the more you have to paddle. But still you can gain useful propulsion to with 30 degrees of straight upwind. With a little bit of planning you can paddle upwind a little bit and reach back and forth all day long and not have to paddle much at all. Once your movement is 10 degrees above reaching, you can not just sit there doing nothing, but you can avoid paddling and reach across the wind all day long, and even make upwind progress without paddling and no lateral resistance appendage or enhancers. With a good sail, kayaks sail very nicely.
Just like when sailing a purpose built sailboat, when kayak sailing to maximize your potential, you will have to think about what you are doing. When conditions are good, you can get useful propulsion to within 30 degrees of straight upwind. Anybody who does a lot of kayak sailing with a good quality rig will agree. If it is really windy, gusty, shifty, there are large waves, you are not thinking, you have too big of a sail, the paddle sailor is inexperienced, ect, the 30 degree number is going to grow.
I wrote a bit more about this here.
www.falconsails.com/KayakSailingFAQ.php#centerboard
If you contact me at Falcon Sails, I can send to you a rough draft set of instructions for kayak sailing upwind.
www.falconsails.com/contact.php
This video shows a clip of a upwind leg I was enjoying last paddle season. It is a lot of fun.
ua-cam.com/video/xjzld6MZhCI/v-deo.html
I was in a 14 foot long Jackson Journey kayak and making some upwind progress without paddling.
I could have made more upwind progress if I paddled, but I can sail with no paddle 200 out of 360 degrees.
This kayak has a rounded hull so most kayaks will do a little better yet.
This video shows me sailing and tacking upwind with no lee board or dagger board and almost zero paddling.
facebook.com/falconsails/posts/4106133799451973
It includes some really neat gps telemetry that makes it easy to see my actual movement.
It shows me sailing 200 out of 360 possible degrees. This kayak has a rounded hull which makes it a average performer. If your kayak has a contoured hull, it will sail better / about 10 more degrees on both the port and starboard side.
If I started paddling and kept the sail oriented to the wind properly, and kept some motion to help my stock hull generate more lateral resistance, I could have had useful propulsion to within 30 degrees of straight upwind.
This is very similar to motor sailing a sail boat. The motor alone can push the sail boat, but using the sail it will speed up faster, have a higher top end speed, will slow down slower, and require less effort to get to your destination.
Here is another video of some friends and I enjoying a nice 18 mile paddle sail where we sail about 70% of the day.
ua-cam.com/video/RkbSSlYEYl0/v-deo.html
If you plan your day well, use good techniques, take advantage of reaching, and not dive downwind you can sail all day long with our without lee boards.
Here are some pictures of a typical kayak sailing day, that include a track log of what we sailed and what we did not sail.
I had several beginner kayak sailors with me, so I avoided some of the more difficult tacks and we still sailed about 75% of our miles.
www.flickr.com/photos/falconsails/albums/72157712563766083
With some planning you can sail most of your miles, and if you just go and not plan anything, you can still sail over 50% of your miles.
If you want to sail paddle sail in good conditions, it is easy to sail more than half your miles even if you do not plan anything and just randomly pick lines.
Answer about directional stability.
If your boat is balanced it is easy to control your directional stability.
If your boat tends to turn up wind, move weight aft or pull your sheet line in.
If your boat tends to turn down wind, move weight forward or let your sheet line out.
There are a lot of ways to change your kayaks tendencies to turn up wind or down wind.
Most kayaks are pretty well balanced to start with. Once you are decently balanced a few paddle strokes will keep you on track.
How in the heck do you get the speed guages on a video like that? that's fantastic!
We would love to know the same.
I would like to know the wind direction . would it be possible to make a video also showing the wind direction ?
You can see we are angling just above going across the wind. When the sail is on the right side up wind in on the left side and when the sail is on the left side up wind is on the right side. If you look at the course over water, you can see what way is up wind. Straight up wind is about 250 degrees. I hope that helps. I wish we had time to make a video to clarify more, but this info should be helpful. In any case if you can imagine sailing across the wind, and then turning up wind 10 or 20 degrees from there you can see what can easily be done with a stock kayak and a good quality sail and rig. Of course if you have any questions, you are welcome to contact us at the Falcon Sails Shop.
www.falconsails.com/contact.php
@@FalconSails ok . I have never sailed so i dont know what to look for or what is possible . thanks for your reply and good luck with your innovations and sales /sails ;)) .
@@sprintershepherd4359 it does not take long to learn how to sail. You start by running down wind, and slowly turn your way up wind and experiment and see what makes you go faster. It is easy. A few week ends of experimenting and practice, and you will be a sailor.
@@FalconSails thanks , sounds easy lol
@@sprintershepherd4359 i have never sailed before either but it looks easy enough and a hell of a lot of fun :-D, i have the 1.1m sail on order and will be fitting it to my sit on top kayak, hopefully it will be shipped to me next week, greetings from Ireland.
I would like to build a sail sea scooter that pull me inside sea. If you sail is 1m2 and if you can reach to 5.5 kg average this sail can produce 20lbs thrust . Did you ever test if your sail pull somebody also inside sea while you are kayaking:) it could be helpfull for my project. I think to use windpaddle
We do not have any data on how hard the sail will push, but with enough wind, it will for sure push with 5.5kg of force. It can even generate 20 pounds of thrust. You just need enough wind. The sail will propel somebody through the water if that is what you are asking. Of course that is very inefficient comparted to having the sail propel a person inside a kayak. I hope that naswe3rs your question.
We do not have the data graph you are looking for. There are a lot of variables besides just wind. there is the angle of attack and boat speed and size of sail that will effect how much push 1 sail can give you. Event the smallest Falcon Sail can push a kayak to maximum hull speed if you have a good amount of wind.
There were attempts to revoke the kayak? Do you have no outreer? Or is this a panic kayak.
How high can you go against the wind?
If you keep a good sail trimmed properly, oriented to the wind properly, and have at least 1.5 mph of hull speed, you can reach across the wind, and even make upwind progress of about 10 to 20 degrees above reaching. That is without paddling or a lee board or a dagger board on a standard stock kayak hull. In general terms if you have good conditions, a good sail, and you use decent sail trim, you can easily sail 180 degrees and even up to 220 degrees without paddling and without the bother of any lateral resistance enhancers. If you paddle to keep your speed up and the sail oriented properly to the wind, a good sail, will generate useful propulsion all the way up to within 30 degrees of straight upwind. That is with out without a lateral resistance enhancers. In general once your actual track is 10 degrees above reaching, you have to start paddling to keep things oriented properly. Initially a few small paddle strokes here and there will add a lot to your possible angles of attack. The more aggressively upwind your angle of attack is, the more you have to paddle. But still you can gain useful propulsion to with 30 degrees of straight upwind. With a little bit of planning you can paddle upwind a little bit and reach back and forth all day long and not have to paddle much at all. Once your movement is 10 degrees above reaching, you can not just sit there doing nothing, but you can avoid paddling and reach across the wind all day long, and even make upwind progress without paddling and no lateral resistance appendage or enhancers. With a good sail, kayaks sail very nicely.
Just like when sailing a purpose built sailboat, when kayak sailing to maximize your potential, you will have to think about what you are doing. When conditions are good, you can get useful propulsion to within 30 degrees of straight upwind. Anybody who does a lot of kayak sailing with a good quality rig will agree. If it is really windy, gusty, shifty, there are large waves, you are not thinking, you have too big of a sail, the paddle sailor is inexperienced, ect, the 30 degree number is going to grow.
Are you sure the conversion from mph (knots) is right? One sea mile is 1,852 kms...
I am sure the calculations shown on the screen are correct. There may be some confusion, that comes from a common incorrect assumption that mph and knots are the same thing. They are not the same thing. 1 knot = 1.15 mph. I hope that helps.