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I installed an automatic transfer switch and additional wiring to my downstairs and bedroom 18000 BTU air conditioners. As my BYD seal can only supply 2.2KW (10amps) I can only run one air con at a time so I have to select which air con I want to power from my EV. When I plug in the V2L the ATS automatically disconnects my selected air con from the grid and uses the EV supply. I use the downstairs air con from 5pm to 10pm then switch to the bedroom from 10pm to 7 am. I use about 8. to 12 kwhrs per night from my EV then plug the charger in the morning to recharge my EV from solar. I designed the system myself but had the wiring installed by a professional electrician. Had the system 4 months, use it every day and it works a treat.
Been using transfer switch the same as you describe to run my home for 12 months without problem. Large items like AC and oven are on a separate circuit connected to grid, but we use them infrequently. We use AC mostly during summer when longer sunny days give us an abundance of solar, at least until 8pm.
I have a 400 W inverter and I use it when the power goes out occasionally. I have enough power for my laptop, my lights, my tv, and most importantly, my blender.
@@michaelbradley1636 you also can't drive your gasoline generator to get more food to put in said fridge & freezer. You can't use your gasoline generator to go to the hardware store to pick up another gasoline generator if you wanted to.
Thanks for all your videos. It is a no brainer that you should be able to use the huge battery in an EV to power your home. The Australian Government should be helping to facilitate the changes needed to enable this in the near future. It is a win, win, win. Help solve the reliability issues with renewable energy if you could choose to make you EV available to back up the grid, better for the climate, use old EV batteries as home batteries, mandate that power companies should provide the option for households sell power from their batteries back to the grid when demand is high and charge at low prices when renewables are plentiful. Good on SA for allowing this. Other states should get on board. Makes more sense spending our tax dollars on this than Nuclear power imho.
MG4, have V2L cable to 16a CEE, a 16a CCE socket with 16a RCBO running back to a 63a change over switch grid/off/V2L. Had 3 power cuts in last year, this powers my whole house. Others on MG4 forums have load tested this until the car inverter trips out, they got to 6600 watts. I have tested mine to 3200 watts, thats toaster, kettle, oven, a/c, my average daily usage is 7.5kwh, background load 200watts, peaks 1500watts.
There are regular solar inverters, and hybrid inverters, intended to hook up home batteries and solar panels. Furthermore, those hybrid inverters come in two groups: for low voltage batteries (48v), and high voltage (400v) batteries. What (I think)is missing, is the software to manage the individual cells of those batteries….
My solar inverter is 3000W Pure Sine Wave 48VDC to 120vac, and my solar battery is 50AH 48V. What's your point? EV batteries are much more powerful, at least 10X more. Geesh.....
My thought is to get a salvaged leaf or the like, charge it with solar and directly fix a 11kw generator to the drive motor. then use that to power the house and charge batteries.
V2G is vehicle to grid-exporting power from your EV battery to the grid. V2H is vehicle to home-running your home on your EV battery. V2L is vehicle to load-running electric tools/appliances from your EV battery
If you use the car to top up your home battery over night, 2.2kw is more than enough. My home usually only uses 0.3-0.5kw throughout the night. When you wake in the morning you have a full battery ready to go, the car would still have plenty of charge if it was coming from 100%. Win-Win
As long as you can get 12vdc, 110ac ac, 220vac, you can use energy for a home. 2.2 kw is usable for a home. You can use it with a pecron 3500 for your dryer and washer. Also you can use dc refrigerators too.
At the moment, this only works for 3 phase connections to the grid. In Germany most households would have this, but in many other countries this is uncommon or even impossible / unaffordable
There may be safety issues using the car battery to power the grid - as some of the current may leave your house and enter the grid. So I would definitely use the inverter system in between the car and the house’s power system. V2G would be a fantastic asset if there are power outages especially for fridge freezers and computers and bizarrely for controlling gas boilers for hot water or radiators.
One of Sam's recent claims was that he is making 10 dollars a day from feed in tariffs off his solar I like to point out that in nsw where Sam is the maximum you can feed back to the grid is 5 kw for single phase connections and 10kw for 3 phase connections Most house only have single phase limiting the feed in to around 40 to 50kw in the very best of times for solar on a large system Feed in tariffs are around 10 cents at best meaning it's more like 4 or 5 dollars Not sure if Sam's just not understanding how feed in works by trying to tell people they can make 10 dollars a day from feed in
Depends where in NSW. Ausgrid which covers the most populated areas of NSW allows 10 kw per phase, so 30 kw if you have 3 phase power. Though my electricity retailer in ausgrid only pays 3 cents per kWh. Most I can see is 10 cents per kWh. If he is playing the wholesale market with Amber then maybe its possible.
I may be a little confused about V2G and V2H. I thought V2H meant you could use your EV to send power to your house, and V2G was basically sending power from your EV back into the grid similar to your solar feedin tarrif.
Hi Sam, I’m in Vic and have a sungrow home battery system with a sungrow hybrid inverter. Do you think this would allow a model 3 Tesla to have V2H capability if I bought a bidirectional charger?
Hey @electricviking Sam thanks for the videos. I had a look at the G6 user manual and it states it can only output 3.3kW @ 230VAC (single phase) on it's V2L. How are you getting 6kW out of it and can it produce a 3-phase output? Thanks.
Thanks James for all your UA-cam clips,,love them ,i know you have ordered a G6 ,been doing a lot of checking,seems like the range is not as good as it seems,is this correct many thanks.
Whats the point if the charge of the car is more expensive than the home? With free Tesla charging (old S and X) you could do it. If you have solar panels - you need to sell the power into the grid - when you have too much - or have a home battery or charge a car. But this year the power is very cheap - and interest rates are high - so no solar power or home battery will be a gain... charge your car at night - and just use power when you need it - that will be the cheapest way. In the future - power will be very cheap.
With large automotive grade batteries "life" is not the correct measurement. They don't fail completely they just lose some capacity. Even in a degraded state that would make them unusable in cars they are still many times the capacity of a Tesla powerwall or similar device. They also won't be fast charged in your home, only very slowly so they would not degrade much. Imagine how long your car would last if you only level 1 charged it?
If power fails, what's the mechanism to stop the car's power output from leaking into the grid and electrocuting the electric company workers who are assuming the power lines are down?
Yeah... I'm not sure I'd have put that advice out on the internet... This is problematic as all getout and will leave the person doing it liable for any damage to their personal devices, and possibly in trouble with the electrical supplier. I'm not an electrician, so take everything I say with a large grain of salt, but I suspect based on this advice, neither is this youtuber... This is a complex connection requiring issues like AC Phase synchronisation, islanding, breaker and overload protection and other safety concerns to be addressed. As such, the eventual solution will almost certainly involve bi-directional DC, with an inverter on the house to transform DC into "grid appropriate" AC power. My understanding is that it's only legal in SA for cars like the Nissan Leaf, which use DC charging and the CHADEMO DC inverter chargers, that have an agreed upon standard. When it is supported using CCS2, the V2G compatible charges will be significantly more expensive than the current AC home chargers most people would have. Unfortunately a standard hasn't been agreed upon for the CCS2 connection to do V2G. Once it is, a lot of cars will be able to do it after a software update, including almost all VAG EV's
Wasn’t there a plan in Australia to start charging home owners who have EVs by running the power grid off of their EVs when the power goes out? If that is true, all of these plans for powering your house through your EV only benefits the government since they can flip a switch and charge your gas station and give it the power from your Tesla.
@@Kevin07-w9lI work FIFO and only do 5000km a year when I’m home in Perth. Currently, there’s no way EVs are a smart choice for me. V2H and VTG would be useful to help make me buying an EV even close to viable. I wish WA had Amber Electric who charge you a. $20/month subscription that allows you to buy and sell electricity on the wholesale market. Feed in tariffs at night can pay you some very handsome prices during high demand. The maths for a solar home battery is still not very favourable yet, but a giant battery in an EV bought for the right price in the right state could be once the cozy cartel arrangements end. They surely will have to eventually if they want to stop large scale off gridding when it becomes economically viable for many to do so.
Click here to get a free charger and installation when pre-ordering the G6 xpeng.com.au/?qr=726XPO
The best solar company in Australia just installed my new solar system.
Check them out here: www.resinc.com.au/electricviking
I installed an automatic transfer switch and additional wiring to my downstairs and bedroom 18000 BTU air conditioners. As my BYD seal can only supply 2.2KW (10amps) I can only run one air con at a time so I have to select which air con I want to power from my EV. When I plug in the V2L the ATS automatically disconnects my selected air con from the grid and uses the EV supply. I use the downstairs air con from 5pm to 10pm then switch to the bedroom from 10pm to 7 am. I use about 8. to 12 kwhrs per night from my EV then plug the charger in the morning to recharge my EV from solar. I designed the system myself but had the wiring installed by a professional electrician. Had the system 4 months, use it every day and it works a treat.
Been using transfer switch the same as you describe to run my home for 12 months without problem. Large items like AC and oven are on a separate circuit connected to grid, but we use them infrequently. We use AC mostly during summer when longer sunny days give us an abundance of solar, at least until 8pm.
Great! My Atto 3 will now receive DC directly from my solar PV, and return it to my house when needed - converted to AC. Excellent. Thanks Sam.
Your name sound familiar
@@gadgetgasspoll2923 Yeah, I am very "famous", hahaha
I have a 400 W inverter and I use it when the power goes
out occasionally. I have enough power for my laptop, my
lights, my tv, and most importantly, my blender.
400w is not 400V. My tabletop heater from Walmart uses 500W-1500W, 120VAC.
We've run fridge & freezer with the Atto3 when there was a blackout. (Directly) Atto3 can do this for weeks.
So can my gasoline generator from Harbor Freight tools. It doesn't cost as much as an Atto3, however.
@@michaelbradley1636 you also can't drive your gasoline generator to get more food to put in said fridge & freezer. You can't use your gasoline generator to go to the hardware store to pick up another gasoline generator if you wanted to.
@@michaelbradley1636 Atto3 can carry your family out to have a great camping, you can use Atto3's V2L to cook a big meal and coffee in the wild
Or you could buy a battery set up for under 2 k and do the same job.
@@michaelbradley1636 A bit noisy for the neighbours though
Thanks for all your videos. It is a no brainer that you should be able to use the huge battery in an EV to power your home. The Australian Government should be helping to facilitate the changes needed to enable this in the near future. It is a win, win, win. Help solve the reliability issues with renewable energy if you could choose to make you EV available to back up the grid, better for the climate, use old EV batteries as home batteries, mandate that power companies should provide the option for households sell power from their batteries back to the grid when demand is high and charge at low prices when renewables are plentiful. Good on SA for allowing this. Other states should get on board. Makes more sense spending our tax dollars on this than Nuclear power imho.
MG4, have V2L cable to 16a CEE, a 16a CCE socket with 16a RCBO running back to a 63a change over switch grid/off/V2L. Had 3 power cuts in last year, this powers my whole house.
Others on MG4 forums have load tested this until the car inverter trips out, they got to 6600 watts. I have tested mine to 3200 watts, thats toaster, kettle, oven, a/c, my average daily usage is 7.5kwh, background load 200watts, peaks 1500watts.
There are regular solar inverters, and hybrid inverters, intended to hook up home batteries and solar panels.
Furthermore, those hybrid inverters come in two groups: for low voltage batteries (48v), and high voltage (400v) batteries.
What (I think)is missing, is the software to manage the individual cells of those batteries….
My solar inverter is 3000W Pure Sine Wave 48VDC to 120vac, and my solar battery is 50AH 48V. What's your point? EV batteries are much more powerful, at least 10X more. Geesh.....
@@michaelbradley1636 my point was: current home batteries are way too expensive. Nothing else.
My thought is to get a salvaged leaf or the like, charge it with solar and directly fix a 11kw generator to the drive motor. then use that to power the house and charge batteries.
V2G is vehicle to grid-exporting power from your EV battery to the grid. V2H is vehicle to home-running your home on your EV battery. V2L is vehicle to load-running electric tools/appliances from your EV battery
If you use the car to top up your home battery over night, 2.2kw is more than enough.
My home usually only uses 0.3-0.5kw throughout the night.
When you wake in the morning you have a full battery ready to go, the car would still have plenty of charge if it was coming from 100%. Win-Win
As long as you can get 12vdc, 110ac ac, 220vac, you can use energy for a home. 2.2 kw is usable for a home. You can use it with a pecron 3500 for your dryer and washer. Also you can use dc refrigerators too.
At the moment, this only works for 3 phase connections to the grid. In Germany most households would have this, but in many other countries this is uncommon or even impossible / unaffordable
There may be safety issues using the car battery to power the grid - as some of the current may leave your house and enter the grid. So I would definitely use the inverter system in between the car and the house’s power system. V2G would be a fantastic asset if there are power outages especially for fridge freezers and computers and bizarrely for controlling gas boilers for hot water or radiators.
One of Sam's recent claims was that he is making 10 dollars a day from feed in tariffs off his solar
I like to point out that in nsw where Sam is the maximum you can feed back to the grid is 5 kw for single phase connections and 10kw for 3 phase connections
Most house only have single phase limiting the feed in to around 40 to 50kw in the very best of times for solar on a large system
Feed in tariffs are around 10 cents at best meaning it's more like 4 or 5 dollars
Not sure if Sam's just not understanding how feed in works by trying to tell people they can make 10 dollars a day from feed in
Where does SOLAR come in? We talking EV battery to grid here, geesh........
@@michaelbradley1636 nearly every post by Sam he tells everyone about his solar and tells everyone to get solar.......
He may be in amber and selling at wholesale rates if he has a battery
He does stuff without knowing 😁
Depends where in NSW. Ausgrid which covers the most populated areas of NSW allows 10 kw per phase, so 30 kw if you have 3 phase power. Though my electricity retailer in ausgrid only pays 3 cents per kWh. Most I can see is 10 cents per kWh. If he is playing the wholesale market with Amber then maybe its possible.
I may be a little confused about V2G and V2H. I thought V2H meant you could use your EV to send power to your house, and V2G was basically sending power from your EV back into the grid similar to your solar feedin tarrif.
Can you please recommend a solar company in Perth?
Hi Sam, I’m in Vic and have a sungrow home battery system with a sungrow hybrid inverter. Do you think this would allow a model 3 Tesla to have V2H capability if I bought a bidirectional charger?
Hey @electricviking Sam thanks for the videos. I had a look at the G6 user manual and it states it can only output 3.3kW @ 230VAC (single phase) on it's V2L. How are you getting 6kW out of it and can it produce a 3-phase output? Thanks.
Thanks James for all your UA-cam clips,,love them ,i know you have ordered a G6 ,been doing a lot of checking,seems like the range is not as good as it seems,is this correct many thanks.
James is not his name at all.
Glad you like them!
thank you squeaky wheel gets the volts i mean grease
Isolation from grid to protect utility workers?
Where can you find damaged ev in Australia?
Xpeng G6 Australia specification of V2L is 3.3kw not 6kw
He is buying it but doesn't know 😆
Whats the point if the charge of the car is more expensive than the home? With free Tesla charging (old S and X) you could do it. If you have solar panels - you need to sell the power into the grid - when you have too much - or have a home battery or charge a car. But this year the power is very cheap - and interest rates are high - so no solar power or home battery will be a gain... charge your car at night - and just use power when you need it - that will be the cheapest way. In the future - power will be very cheap.
You notice this Viking guy has never owned a Tesla
frequent charging/discharging shortens battery life.
With large automotive grade batteries "life" is not the correct measurement. They don't fail completely they just lose some capacity. Even in a degraded state that would make them unusable in cars they are still many times the capacity of a Tesla powerwall or similar device. They also won't be fast charged in your home, only very slowly so they would not degrade much. Imagine how long your car would last if you only level 1 charged it?
BYD burn your driveway maybe it should be call BYH burn your house
If power fails, what's the mechanism to stop the car's power output from leaking into the grid and electrocuting the electric company workers who are assuming the power lines are down?
A good question, one would hope the same safeguards that are engaged when a home battery is used to power the home in a grid outage.
don't risk it, any fk up will be on you eventually
wrg, no such hting as onx or dontx or etc or rx doesnt matter, cepuxuax, do, can do etc any nmw s perfx
Cheers bro
Not mate?🤔
Hmm charge your home?
Plus yet another massive plug for that solar company he’s not monetarily affiliated with 😂 cough free system cough 🤔
Yeah... I'm not sure I'd have put that advice out on the internet... This is problematic as all getout and will leave the person doing it liable for any damage to their personal devices, and possibly in trouble with the electrical supplier. I'm not an electrician, so take everything I say with a large grain of salt, but I suspect based on this advice, neither is this youtuber...
This is a complex connection requiring issues like AC Phase synchronisation, islanding, breaker and overload protection and other safety concerns to be addressed. As such, the eventual solution will almost certainly involve bi-directional DC, with an inverter on the house to transform DC into "grid appropriate" AC power. My understanding is that it's only legal in SA for cars like the Nissan Leaf, which use DC charging and the CHADEMO DC inverter chargers, that have an agreed upon standard. When it is supported using CCS2, the V2G compatible charges will be significantly more expensive than the current AC home chargers most people would have. Unfortunately a standard hasn't been agreed upon for the CCS2 connection to do V2G. Once it is, a lot of cars will be able to do it after a software update, including almost all VAG EV's
Wasn’t there a plan in Australia to start charging home owners who have EVs by running the power grid off of their EVs when the power goes out? If that is true, all of these plans for powering your house through your EV only benefits the government since they can flip a switch and charge your gas station and give it the power from your Tesla.
But it's the vehicle that needs charging, not the home 🙃
How about charge your EV during date time with free solar and V2G run your home after hours😊
Most people don’t have the luxury of working from home ?
@@Kevin07-w9lI work FIFO and only do 5000km a year when I’m home in Perth. Currently, there’s no way EVs are a smart choice for me. V2H and VTG would be useful to help make me buying an EV even close to viable. I wish WA had Amber Electric who charge you a. $20/month subscription that allows you to buy and sell electricity on the wholesale market. Feed in tariffs at night can pay you some very handsome prices during high demand. The maths for a solar home battery is still not very favourable yet, but a giant battery in an EV bought for the right price in the right state could be once the cozy cartel arrangements end. They surely will have to eventually if they want to stop large scale off gridding when it becomes economically viable for many to do so.
Evening bro
Copied idea from honda.