The Ukrainians who refuse to fight and are trying to leave the country | DW Analysis
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- Since the beginning of the Russian full-scale invasion hundreds of thousands of men have volunteered to defend their country against the Russians. Now one and a half years later Ukraine needs to fill the ranks through conscription. Some Ukrainians are refusing to fight and looking for ways to leave.
DW’s Max Zander filed this report from the southern border with Romania. We also hear from Member of the Ukrainian Parliament Lisa Yasko, and military analyst Frank Ledwidge in Oxford.
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#ukraine #fighting #conscription
"Unfortunatly, we have to fight to the death!"
Says the woman, who sits save behind her desk and doesnt have to fear to be drafted for the meatgrinder
😂😂😂😂look at her face u foolish people
She ain’t going to die for her country 😂😂
precisely, I hear these words precisely from the individuals, who are not endagered by the full consequences of those words
it wont take long, women will also be drafted, they are running out of men :(
not even her desk she's in a fancy restaurant with nice clothes, access to electricity, internet and suited up servers.
How would you fight for a country if they are all corrupt officials. I don't see the logic.
You serving for the rich people and dying like a numbers that no one cares or denying your existence.
I fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I totally agree with the guy who doesn't want to fight. I will no longer fight for those who sit in power making money from the death of young men for their own personel gains. I have seen so many young men die for nothing because politicians cant do their jobs.
I, being a member of the elite, will conscript you, when you die. I’ll be there to handle your wife and single women, adequately.
The best comment
So if your country would be invaded, you would willingly be giving up your freedom and safety to a dictator?
Amen
Yes but Iraq make no borders with US. It's understandable.
Russia just want the whole country for theirselves.
I left illegally thru Moldova, I spent $4500, best decision in my life
Счастья тебе, дядь. Белой завистью завидую. Привет из Киева
@@Dima-mc9ueбеги мальчик, it's not worth dying for corrupt politicians
Ukraine’s government sucks. Not worth it. This is only a proxy war.
Молодец! Удачи тебе
А депутаны себе диппачпорты выписали чтобы в случае чего....
My Ukrainian friend told me the manpower situation is so bad that there are press gangs roaming the streets and snatching up young men. Only way to be safe is to never leave the house
True.
sad but true in some small cities... they dont do it in kiev
It's true
they have been doing that for months. There are plenty of videos on Telegram
They cant eanter your House ? That Sounds so scary
Ukrainian member of Parliament Lisa Yasko saying that they will fight to the end while she's safe behind a desk is the coldest thing I've heard in a long time. Politicians all over the world are the same; heartless & inhuman!
Totally agree
And human sheeps all over the world die fighting their wars or supporting them by being brainwashed
Ukraine is fighting for its survival because of unprovoked aggression of an imperial power. I don't know what is heartless about what she said. It is the truth. Fight to "the end" also doesn't necessarily mean death. I don't see much sense in sending your political leadership to the front, unless the political apparatus is unnecessarily bloated and inefficient.
Do you have any constructive suggestions what the Ukrainians, while in this terrible agony right now, should do differently?
@@Blabla-od7vt unprovoked
Zelensky knows what Russia have done to gorgia for joining NATO 2008
Still chooses to slutter innocent citizen for father Usa
I am with citizen of both Ukrainian and Russia
It doesn't matter who controls over piece of land just end the war to save lives
It's heartless because she is not fighting but sitting comfortably being served by waiters where ever she is.
She seriously said that there's ZERO TOLERANCE of corruption in Ukraine 😂
I know a few nationalists like her and they fully believe that. Russia is no gem with corruption but Ukraine was literally at the bottom of the corruption index before the war, when the West started fudging the numbers.
She is a part of it ))
LOL :D this is just like i you say that the USA is the pacifist country :D
The fact that they are firing and arresting both politicians and military personal at the highest ranks speaks volumes. I have never heard such thing happening in other country around the world at such scales. Eradicating corruption is like fighting a cancer - takes so much time and so much will until it's defeated.
She'll be perfect for an open position in the Biden administration, lol.
Ukrainian politician: "we have to fight for our freedom"
Ukrainian politician: "you don't have the right to choose"
🎤
Its politicians that cause wars but its the others that suffer because of wars.
Yeah i mean wtf are they supposed to do?
No democracy in Ukraine, only death, corruption and poorness. I want to leave Ukraine, but i can't. I have not seen my family for almost 2 years....
There's something uncanny about two woman talking about how terrible some men are, for daring to refuse to fight.
yeah the double standards are real, I dont see them having extra children to ensure the nations survival
Yeah. Makes you want to take the fight to them.
Yes, woman’s said, because vagina I can’t keep automatic rifle. So men should go and defend us.
First all of slot of women are currently serving in the military and second men are expected to fight because they are the physical stronger sex and women are more valuable for repopulating.
Ukrainian women are VERY pragmatic.
I don't understand why Ukrainian men don't wanna die for American and European Oligarchs. It's beyond me 🤔
Some prefer Russian oligarchs or just don't have the psychological wherewithal to defend their nearest or themselves.
😂😂
Do you want to die for Russian oligarchs?🤣
@@poli6884 In that case, don't you think Russians fighting for Russian Oligarchs makes a little more sense than Ukrainians fighting for Western Oligarchs?
@@calichenj of course not. how do you know ruzzia oligarchs would still exist a while later? soviet union,a superpower which was 10 times more powerful than ruzzia in 2023, invaded afghanstan in 1979 and eventually soviet union was annihilated in 1991. soviet union DOESN'T EXIST IN 2023.why will you die for those ruzzis oligarchs that will be eliminated?
How do they imagine victory over a country with nuclear weapons? People are dying because of the ignorance of a few politicians...
Well, the victory for Ukraine will be to stop the war and to retain the land, not to conquer Russia. And they still can make Russia stop, having a nuclear weapons doesn't guarantee the automatic victory otherwise this war would have ended 1,5 years ago
Is your solution that the Ukrainians surrender?
I want to say as a Ukrainian who knows the situation as it is, not as the girl at the table tells it! If you have money, you can leave or sit at home and you will never be drafted, if you are poor or ordinary person, the only chance not to be drafted and stay alive is to sit at home in a ban and not even go out to the store for groceries. I assure you all the system is corrupt and corruption in Ukraine will not be overcome!
Thats why I am against ukraine joining the eu. The EU and its politicians are already heavily corrupt as it is, especially our presidents von der Leyen. They are great at hiding it and going free of consequences, I dont believe we need more of that.
That said, the faster the system putin has build around him falls, the better that would be. I dont see russia backing up from this huge mistake they made and I dont see civilians getting involved in overthrowing their government.
They will keep sending troops of unmotivated and poor educated soldiers and the conflict will go on and on without much movement on both sides.
As outsiders we see the corruption It’s not really a secret. What i dont understand is why the EU & Ukraine are Pretending that Ukraine Can become a member subject to meeting “7 conditions” (one of which is ending corruption & another is ending oligarchy). In other words, it will never happen. Because the oligarchs will never allow it. So why do they pretend ?
So, my fellow citizen, you're just going to sit there, complain and wait for someone to fix it, so you can just enjoy the privileges of being part of an advanced society? I wonder how you see a place for yourself in such a society? Do you not see the responsibility for what is happening on your land right in front of you, even when it directly affects your life? As I see it, you are better suited to live in a dictatorship, you are a real lamb.
@@3aMonolit You are brainwashed. Ukraine is already a dictatorship.
Sitting at home helps to AvoidPayingBribes. Heroic decision. Respect
Everyone thinks they are free until they realize there are people in power who believe they own you.
There is no fence around my country , but i know its there . Thing is by the time you realize your country is a prison , a death camp its too late .
That's true in most, if not all countries.
Some say that Russia wants to kiII all Ukrainians, but is that true? If Ukraine made a peace deal, why would Russia do that?
@@dedskin1Well spoken, just as the chicken spoke about the coop fence before it was eaten by the fox. 🤡
So we need no borders and chaos?
moral of the story is that if putin ask you to bend over, you ask “how low?”
"We have to fight to the death for our children" = "men have to fight in the freezing cold fields to their death while I sit in my pillow in my heated office"
@@user-ij9vy3oy1ypretty sure I saw news about preparations for mobilizing women medics
@@user-ij9vy3oy1y nah they could start conscripting women, children, elderly and she still would get a pass because she's a politician
HAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHSHSHSHHAHA
@@OK-yy6qzdont put women in the same category as children
while she sucks new and diverse cucumbers and prepares her sad womb to show her gratitude for life
My father always said to me, "Don't ever go fighting for those bastards". At the time I would have, but now that I am older, I see what he meant, and I say the same to my son.
fight for what you love... if you do not want to fight your country then oh well tear your passport rn cuz you don't need to be a citizen
I don’t understand why Ukrainians living in Lviv need to defend Crimea, where they have never been and never will
Or else what? @@somone1437
@@somone1437let ukrain go under rassia just the government will change,,,,but the land will be same,,,,,,,who wants to die for the chairs of politicians
@@foxoon9389government was democratically elected, so it kinda is.
Easy for a girl who are not burdened to die in a war to say things like that
I love watching people living in safe environments and are born with silver spoons in their mouths blaming others for not wanting to fight in their endless wars
No one wants to fight, it's understandable.
If my home was destroyed and my country was invaded, I would fight. Not because I want to but because I would have to in order to preserve freedom.
The men that ran are cowards through and through, they comfort themselves in foriegn countries as their people fight for their freedom
So true.
CCR's song "Fortunate Son".
Exactly.
They use people to sell their weapons
Sitting comfortably in another county, fancy hotel, water, electricity, everything knowing you will never be the one to hold that gun on the frontline it's easy to say the words "we are willing to die for this country." see the life she is in.... We have to fight till the end😂😂
😂😂😂
What a joke🤣🤣🤣, I fully support the Ukraine man who are not fighting for a corrupt government. Lisa and people like must go fight
What do you mean illegal crossing the border?
You as a journalists have to raise a major issue which facing Ukrainian men since war started - no human rights! They locked in a country as prisoners in a time when Ukrainian government became incredibly rich, corrupt and cynical.
People simply do not want to die for oligarchs country
Most of parents forced to leave the Ukraine with sons before their 17th years.
I’m a mother and I do not need the Ukraine without my son life
It's crazy to me. There is evidence of press gangs, borders locked down, and dissenting opinions silenced. And when Orban vetoes supporting the war, all the press say "he does it because he is a putin puppet!". When if you ask their envoys, they tell you they dislike the corruption of UKR state and human rights abuses... I'm no Putin fan, he is just as evil, but at least the media doesnt pretend he isnt. And yet UKR state is shown as if they were angels. Corrupt bastards, forcing people to die for them.
Why doesnt Lisa Yasko fight on the front lines?
Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich 🤡, a tragedy for the poor
Underrated comment 🙏🏽
Said the clueless person who's safe in their home and has absolutely no idea what it means to live in a war.
While that may be true sometimes remember that it is written somewhere that the foolishness of g_d is always going to be wiser than the wisest among man. Another thing. Each and every one of us some day will die only of natural causes we hope.
@@arodvaz1955
The difference between the fighting man and the thinking man is "fighting done by fools and thinking done by cowards"
Whose quote is that?
That young blonde lady, dont seems to know anything and she's comfortably safe where she is. Just look at her environment. She's Not affected in any way. God help these young men trying to just survive. ❤
She should have been wearing a khaki shirt, like Mr. Z. Then we would've know she's in the thick of things.
exactly. And preciselly those safe and comfortable women are the most furious in this country and want to kill all the russians. Because they will not suffer the consequences of such desires.
Are you blind or deaf? 8:31 She wasn't speaking from Ukraine. She's a member of the Ukrainean parliament, attending a security forum in Warsaw, talking to DW via videocall. That's why her environment looks so comfortable, you Russian troll. And in case you're that ignorant, Warsaw is in Poland, where there is no war with Russia at the moment.
@@allydea quite so, Ukrainian parliament memebers should voluntarily accept serving a few months at the front line. This would contribute to further strenghten the social cohesion in Ukraine and would further widen the gap with the kids of de Russian siloviki who continue to spend their vacations in the West, while poor young Russians are being sent as cannon fodder for the greater glory oftheir dictator.
@@jean-pierrebiebuyck313 corrupt thieving ukrainers left and paid
Have u not heard about it
Russians are being discriminated against in Europe
They even made a law where they can take anything they have on them if they come into European countries
Ps Ukraine has lost half of its population nearly to other European nations and are now work force for others
So it's very appealing to leave as a Ukraine then it is for a Russian
"Ukrainians are very strong, they can fight as long as it's necessary" (c) Elena Zelenskaya, first lady of Ukraine @ her London apartment
Yep after she just spent $1,000,000 buying herself new jewelry
Girls can leave Ukraine. They are living a luxury lifestyle shopping expensive bags shoes clothes. Travelling western countries having fun in luxury hotels clubs. I respect people who is fighting for freedom in the army. But i do not respect girls spending thousands of euro for a luxury life and having fun in other countries when ukaine poeple need money.
a friend of mine was in germany for work he went back to ukraine to renew his visa and the war started since the war has started he hasn't gone outside out of fear that they will take him to war he said that one day his neighbour took his tractor out to his farm and as he went into the tractor a minivan came and they just took him he later learned that he was sent to lithuania to get trained he hasn't heard from him since then
"We have zero tolerance to corruptian here in the most corrupt country in Europe". I more than sure this woman has no one of her relatives conscripted.
Zero tolerance to corruptions that don't pay. 😅
That's usually my problem with these wars... The loudest advocates for wars do t have their children and relatives fighting the wars... I am sure nobody in Zelensky's family is fighting the war, most of them are definitely not in Ukraine but thesame people want ordinary Ukrainians to give up their lives and family to go fight the Russians in mined trenches.....
@@incrediblestevrhymz2260 More than that, Zelenski himself has never been in military service, because he had dodged conscription the same way as these poore ukrainian men are trying now.
She is out of the box
Russia is the most corrupt in Europe.
The truth is this one,I'm from Romania,i worked in Germany for 3 month,in Germany are a lot of Ukranians with BMW and Mercedes,rich people,the poorest people remained in Ukraine to fight.
Сorruption has created unequal conditions for people. But the government is responsible for this, not the people
Same here in the Czech Republic. Some young Ukrainians even celebrate Bandera parties here, but they fled Ukraina. This world is weird. Greetings to Romania.
Have you all ever been to Ukraine? Lived there? Stop talking like you know what you’re talking about.
@@Tessa.723 and the west isn't helping them enough, even though it disarmed Ukraine for decades...
of course you can buy bmw in Ukraine only if you corrupted... Maybe you don't know, but Ukrainian legislation provides wide list of options for men to cross the border legally
As one of the many Ukrainians who left their own country, I wanna affirm, that there is no rights, no law it’s literally the worst country in Europe I can almost compare it to North Korea because it isn’t so far from the truth. First of all it’s a totally corrupt government, that’s why our country is so poor (btw the most poor in Europe, even including Moldova). Secondly it’s an absence of the law, as I said before, even the courts are corrupt, so you can’t defend yourself and your rights. The men in the suit can just kidnap you right on the street (after beating you, if you persist) considering that it’s completely Illegal and the police will do nothing when this happens right in the front of them, because they work against people. In our country pensions of 40$ bruh….
That’s not like I don’t wanna serve in the army, but not in the Ukrainian army. I don’t wanna die or become crippled for this country considering the above reasons, I’d rather suicide than they force me to go to fight for this trash. I’d rather serve in the US military or some other military of Europe like Germany or UK
Yes. That’s how it is. Kidnapping on the street by force. Police do nothing. Courts are corrupted. Confirm.
nice story ruski bot
@@edyslavico3761 я з України, якщо тобі 16 і тебе на вулиці не чіпає тцк, це не значить, що цього немає, корупцію ти не можеш ніяк заперечувати, недотримання конституції місцевими елітами та ї хабарництво - також, давай не розказуй, який ти патріот і яка Україна велика, бо ти геть не на фронті. Говорити щось про те що ми найбідніша країна - також не варто, це й так всім відомо, Гугл просто існує
I have noticed that the Kiev regime is purporsly mobilizing all the men to fight and die in Russian speaking cities like Odessa, and haven't even touched the residents of western Ukraine like Lviv.
It is simply clear, Ukraine's Russian speaking population is treated as second class citizens, the state doesn't care for them at all, the state mostly cares for those catholic Ukrainian Galicians living in far west Ukraine... they want the Russian speaking population to die, so that Ukraine could become more homogenous.
I am not talking nonsense, it is a fact. This is why, I would advice you to manage a way to sneak into Russia. I know you may not like it, but 5 million Ukrainians have done the same. They have fled to Russia, cause Russia is the only place they have for a safe future. In places like Poland, Ukrainian men are getting deported back to Ukraine to fight in the meat grinder.
Take care my friend! Go to Russia asap! the Kiev regime is growing desperate everyday, trying to snatch all Ukrainian men they could from neighbouring countries to die. Russia is the only place where you and other Ukrainians are completely safe.
Бро я с тобой согласен. Только не нужно служить в западных армиях. В конце концов именно они и затеяли эту войну. Даже мирный договор отвергли, когда борис джонсон прилетел и всё испортил. Любить запад себя не уважать, особенно если ты из украины
I did my military duty but guys really military is not for everybody. Just for training i saw people are crying, they are shaking when they are shooting. I judge them ın the beginnig but later when you know them, you are understanding they are just not fit to be a soldier.
“Zero tolerance for any kind of corruption.” That’s like the Mafia saying they have zero tolerance for any crime.😂😂😂
yes indeed, they (Ukrainian officials) ARE the corruption. No idea how she can lie with such serious face:D
They just call it - a russian propoganda,
Yeah, it's hilarious. She is just speaking rhetorically, what Zelensky wants her to say. She talks about 10:40 "freedom" for Ukraine but what about freedom for the Russian speaking eastern parts. I almost choked on my coffee.
do you live here Ivan you thinking of Russia
It is like punishing the fish for drinking water.
Don't blame them. Choosing life over death ain't that crazy at all.
😂 yes what cowards do. Oh no please take my land and freeload off others.
Yea, 100%. I'll be honest, even if i saw my own family bein attacked and knew, that if i let my anger take over, i'll die, i would just run and save my own life. Wars should not happen at all and if they do, they should be fought with rockets, not with men.
Sure but they should not be allowed to return to Ukraine ever.
It's a bloodbath with little to no heroism involved - 97%+ of the causalities are from artillery, mortars, drones - basically you're dead without ever seeing an enemy or even firing your gun.
They won't fight for Zelensky.
Very sad for the poor man, being forced to fight and die just to become a number
Girls can leave Ukraine. They are living a luxury lifestyle shopping expensive bags shoes clothes. Travelling western countries having fun in luxury hotels clubs. I respect people who is fighting for freedom in the army. But i do not respect girls spending thousands of euro for a luxury life and having fun in other countries when ukaine poeple need money.
Hundred thousand of Ukrainian are already wounded or dead. This war cannot be won at a front line. The young men are realizing this.
Don't dismiss the corrupt officials. Draft them and put them on the front.
Brilliant idea
Why isn't-Zelinskiy doing that?
Those are partners. 😅😅
Zelinskiy and officials
Ptecisely!!!
I don't blame them, dying or getting your legs blown off for a US proxy war isn't the life.
and you crated your account for this?
@@MyrothasMcMillan Crated what? Why don't you learn to spell properly ?🤡😆
Not dying or getting your legs blown off...it's getting your legs blown off AND dying. Ukraine forces the disabled to serve too as was reported by DW.
. He's 100 percent right
I'd rather die as a soldier than as a useless civilian.
Thank you for shedding light on this topic! Please please please, continue educating people and letting them know that not everyone wants to go to war. We are prisoners in our own country.
I was lucky enough to escape this nightmare, however, right now, I can't visit my parents who are still in Ukraine, and honestly, do not know when I will get the opportunity to see them in person. So my main job is to settle where I am today and be able to provide not only for my wife and son who was born 2 days before the war had started but also for my parents.
En Donde estás ?
@@rubenramirez6589Moved to Georgia and currently staying here in my uncle’s place
Poor fellow, don't worry I'll stay in the trenches instead of you as long as it takes. My pregnant wife will be okay, she doesn't need a husband near her.
Freedom is not Free. After the fighting is over they will draft a bill of rights, This bill of rights will guarantee Freedom to the courageous. The cowardly will then chip away at this freedom out of fear until one day the fighting will need to start again, to restore the bill of rights. It is a viscous cycle of the cowardly vs the courageous.
@@valdemariv394your only duty was to protect your wife and child, yet the clown convinced you that this war with no hope of winning is worth every drop of Your blood
How in God's name did someone convince you that your duty fell first to your country and not to your wife and kids? if your son doesn't find his father in the home he'll find one in the Streets, I hope you know that.
Dear Ukrainians Don't die for NATO or Zelensky.
Ukrainian youth has right to live .Why should they sacrifice their lives for Expansion of NATO.
Several western leaders did alreay stated that "THEY" will fight till the last drop of Ukrainian blood.
So sad.
so funny that the person saying that people need to go to the front lines and die for theier countries is doing it in a luxury hotel
Glad i wasn't the only one to observe that... 🌍☮️
Except she didn't give her personal opinion.
She said she doesn't know any Ukrainian that doesn't want to fight and as long as its the will of the people then people need to fight
Luxury hotel in other country
@@gudnikristinn she said she is a ho of clownlenky so she is immune to fight
with well dressed waitstaff moving back and forth with food and drinks behind her.
Guess she missed the statement of the Dutch minister of defense who claimed that Ukraine was fighting this conflict because it was a cheap way to protect NATO against Russia or from the US where they claim that the Ukrainian conflict is a cheap way to deter China.
Russia killed over 200 dutch people in 2014. The dutch got their reasons.
She heard what America and the Dutch said but she is just another prostitute for America and NATO pretending to be fighting for her home land🤔
Mitt Romney said same, and Lindsey Graham gets excited talking about the last dead Ukrainian soldier.
@@0527Kahlua yep.
It was instigated by NATO by inciting Russia to invade Ukraine, so that they could implement their sanctions. USA EU(Evil Union) thought the Russian economy would collapse within a few months, turning the Ruble Into rubble, that is what Joe Biden said during his State of the Union speech, in the hopes that the people of Russia would rise up and replace Putin, they believed their own lies that Russia was nothing more than a gas station pretending to be a country.
Well educated people very well understand what this fight is about and most likely are abroad by now.
And 2 months later: Ukraine Army is chasing civilians on the streets ... Sick of your bull .... DW
I'm a Ukrainian and i don't want to die in a meaningless war for a corrupt government, this is why i left Ukraine at the age of 17 with my mom to Germany
Im happy for you! My girlfriend is Ukrainian and I know all about the corruption
@@SteffenWernicke Ok
До побачення!
@@SteffenWernicke☠️🇷🇺👈🤮
@@SteffenWernickerussia is too corrupt fyi , but its workable corrupt
It's difficult to blame an individual for not choosing the horrors of war. It would be based on principle alone, not human nature.
There is a difference between not wanting to kill vs running away because your scared to fight. Principles are not always honorable ones.
@@casualsuedeeasy for you to say because your not on there situation. Typical internet casual.
@casualsuede what is he supposed to fight for, kill for, die for? The president is draft dodger. He is probably from Kiev or Odessa both cities are Russian. He lives not thanks to the government but despite it.
In Russia, over 600k or so fled! Should I repeat that? How many Ukraine fled? 60,000, no, may be 6-thousands? May be..
@@rubiconklbrutorowman7577pretty sure ukraine got more people fled than russia because war is happen at their country
“Let’s be fair to Ukraine “ I think we’ve been more than fair. They don’t get called terrorist for defending against occupation like any middle eastern countries. They’ve been given support whether we agreed with supporting them or not working class will be “being fair “ to them for generations to come.
The reality is when the war is over, those who have money and previously flee the country, then come back, continue business, and get richer.
Meanwhile those who choose to fight, live in sorrow
The worst is being forced to fight.
That's it, always happens
greedy Ukrainians ,dialogue , but no they want it's all, any how most of that land is Russia's any way 🤔
so "high status men" with 3 kids and women can leave, other guys have to stay behind, this does not feel right somewhere
they will have more women to themselves, since most of the men died in wars.
I am Ukrainian. Everything what Lisa Yanko said about the improvements of serving in the army is complete bull... in 1.5 years everything changed to the worse. You can't just be a medic or drone operator. First you need become a foot soldier and survive couple of months at least and maybe then if your commander is a good guy you can change your specialization.
Even facing death you are nothing but a tool with an ID number, sad world.
а меня рассмешили её слова, что Россия после Украины нападёт на страну НАТО. Врать это её работа.
Survive a couple of hours you mean😂
There is something really fishy going on in Kiev. I feel sorry for the villagers in the east on their own historical lands. Long live Donbas, Luhansk, Odessa, Crimea. They suffer while Kiev parties.
I am Sorry for u man. Used as a cannon folder cannot be a nice feeling
I liked the part about the Ukrainian boundary guards “probably saving lives” of those trying to illegally escape to Rumania - yeh, right, compare the risks of being killed by just a bear and - by the Russian Bear; and make your educated choice.)
Also, a huge problem is that almost all children of Ukrainian’s mid to top officials either have left the country or serve far from the frontline (with a few trigger happy exceptions who enjoy adrenaline). What would you expect from the common people?
I have friends who almost got shot trying to leave. The only thing that saved them was that they had cash to bribe the border patrol. The 14 bodies they found were not killed by some animal but by nationalistic border guards.
Over 500k KIA. Why would they want to die for Zelya the billionaire and his big bosses in London, DC and Berlin.....
I have a Ukrainian student whose family has lived here in Austria for the last 15 years. Her father went back to take care of some maintenance on their house, which they were renting out. He left on Friday, Feb 18th. He's still there - can't come back...
Damn.. feels bad. ☹
Good. He should be fighting to defend his homeland.
@@ricardosmythe2548 Yeah, the business he built over a decade went belly up, his wife and kids are living on the dole, the family car is in Ukraine and the the kids are going to lose the only home they've ever known to foreclosure. You call that "good", eh, Rambo? Good is what you are NOT...
@@bavery6957It's called war. When your leaders are refusing to seek peace but making sure that this war keeps on going, that's the consequences. Rarely do wars end in victory for one side these days. They end on the negotiating table.
@@ricardosmythe2548 If you feel that strongly over it, you can go fight yourself. Ukraine has a foreign legion. Come on, put your money where your mouth is.
Nobody should be forced to fight. If there aren't enough willing volunteers, there is insufficient support for the war and it is time to seek a resolution.
I am pretty sure they said that they will fight untill the last ukranian.
ok, so by your logic russia should withdraw given they're on their 3rd round of conscription then. ukraine wins, good talk!
@@puddles5501then you volunteer for the meat grinder
Ruzian troll.
. No , Russia called up 300k that had prior training and had another 600k volunteer. They have over 1 million trained man army vs Ukraine kidnapping kids and seniors. It's already over lol
She s not even in Ukraine, that tells you everything you need to know...
No man should be forced to fight!
How can a woman understand anything about war and it's demands if they are the first to leave?!
Life is a priceless gift, no country worth to die for.
Views like this are fkn sick truly, when the opposing army takes your family hostage...youll forever regret not being a fkn man grabbing a weapon and protecting your GD bloodline.
@@loganrogers1274Right, mate?! I still have difficulties to process what I've just heard and read here.
Some people fail to understand what a Nation means, what a Homeland means. Very often those mean everything.
And they have a direct meaning for every single life, since it's very beginning.
But there are people like this in every country so, nothing unusual, after all.
Here we go! First somes dream of building the country then others think it is wise to create wars in which will fight somes who dream of dying for it... I guess this world needs its dreamers🙄
Fight for yourself and those who are closer to you.
@@kalinandonov2799what country do you live in
@@Gage9711 The world's my country I call home where ever I choose to call home🙄
“When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals.” - Edward Snowden
It's funny, that Snowden is in the criminal's den now.
@@whatsgoingon71it's not funny, it's a tragedy of so called free West that such a man would be prosecuted for exposing the truth.
"fight for those who sit in power making money from the death..." Ukrainians repeatedly emphasized that they are not fighting for their Government or politicians but for the Freedom of their people and independence of their country. Sadly there are those who are not interested of those, who are indifferent about their nations and countries fate. Are they Ukrainians? I am not thinking they are.
@@whatsgoingon71 How's that funny? Seems like an existential crisis nationally with international implications as well. Your comment encapsulates exactly how apathetic people are becoming. You think that's good, bad or do you even care?
Check this in Google :"sambir, Lviv region. beating of a man in the territorial recruitment center". They tried to force two guys to sign military
I remember last news headline I checked on DW channel was last year about the bravery of Ukrainians (which they are as the Russians) and how they fighting to defend against Russian aggression. Today I saw this title and thought to myself how easy our species can be fooled by the news editors!
Ukraine following in the footsteps of North Korea.
My God! Those border watchers are telling us that they are saving lives while they are trying to catch people who don't want to be slaughtered on the battlefields.
hypocrisy ... the Word to describe the ukranian Government ...
At least your comrades are fighting for toilets pieces in a war of conquest is it ? They get something out of it.
@@HakayLeoShello, mr. Ukrainian bot. You try to oppose things that are evident to any Ukrainian on the street, to win western support. You look miserable, especially since this is the way you have to earn a living. As a Ukrainian citizen I can confirm hypocrisy is insane in our country.
Men have a duty to defend there country if its invaded.
Well in a democratic country like ukraine if you don't want to be cannon fodder you are jailed and facing some horror "things"..
I am from Ukraine and I left, because it started to become worse.
I had the right to not serve due to my father's health, but half a year ago they dismissed this law just 1 month after I finally left the country.
They changed the commanders of the draft centers, but NOTHING CHANGED. Just a week ago in Ternopil there was a video how men that refuse to go to army are detain in an unknown place, are humiliated and beaten. Don't believe me? Copy paste this Тернопіль ТЦК побиття.
Reasons why I left are corruption, no rights for men when they are drafted and limitation of rights in general and due to all this no safety and future. Our government has now complete power over people and it is like heroin - not so easy to stop it.
I hope you stay safe and treasure your life wherever you are. Everybody only live ONE.
Im glad you are safe , poor bastards on front line 💔
Хто буде захищати Україну від убивць і окупантів 🇷🇺Z☠️??
Why would you want to fight for one of the most corrupt governments in Europe , for some actor funded by American imperialists that puts on a green costume interpreting the role of some "hero". Glad you had the money to get out , but sadly the poor Ukrainians that can't afford to flee the country are forced to go to the meat grinder and die for nothing.
who did you voted for or if you could? if zelensky its your own fault
I would suggest the politicians of Ukraine go to the front for 2 Weeks voluntarily to do their bit.
I've been living abroad for 3 years, came back on vacation then war started. Trapped here almost for 2 years because our government decided we (citizens) will fight to the end (death). What should we do?
Why you went to vacation?? If you knew that was coming
Imagine not being allowed to flee a warzone just because of your gender
I understand Ukraine is fighting for lgbtq+ rights too. Let's pretend I am a girl !
And then feminists having the nerve to bash you for your gender.
I have a good idea they could become trans
Imagine proclaiming to be stronger and faster than women and then complaining that all the responsibility of defense falls on you.
@@joebidenisyourpresidentget2481 I don't understand a man that hates his own country
I am sure all the rich Ukrainians are in Poland cheering from afar...
Poland? Nope. Try England or Switzerland better.
@@EliHaNavi Rich Ukranians are Oligarchs who can move between countries in "Ruski Mir" also known in western history as turncoats. Therefore more likely to be living in Moscow.
In my country I see a lot of ukrainian luxury cars around, but I'm sure they're just taking a break before volunteering to the frontlines to fight the Z's
can you explain why this war is even happening? because of the failures of our leaders - oho also do not fight and who also cheer (and pollute 10000 more)
now Ukraine starting recruiting woman to fight
soon will see more Ukrainian woman exodus to other countries
This guy who said ''There's no guarantee the country will exist after my death'' should open the eyes of many. Both Ukraine and Russia are drafting young guys in the most aggressive ways.
Russia don't drafting young man
Draft in Russia us over. They're raising payouts for contractors and advertize contract service everywhere.
Russia is conserving manpower.....hence it's so slow.....they're exhausting Ukraine...... until they cave in ....while conserving their own forces....simple....
A year ago it cost 2k$ for men to cross the border, now the price is at whopping 10k$.
That tattoo guy explained it perfectly, I have a cousin that was a "hero" when he went into the war in early 1990's. Probably you know which war. He came back a broken man, after that no steady job, no girlfriend, no education because he was 20 when he joined, and never talked about the war. So you know how bad it was. Not worth it, most of that in war "liberated" land is now abandoned, no one lives there. Also mines everywhere in the ground.
I was deployed under NATO in to same war at age of 18. My life been very similar struggle as you cousins, please remind him that he's not alone and despite all the horrors we had to do for our masters we are still humans.
This should be top comment.
Check this in Google :"sambir, Lviv region. beating of a man in the territorial recruitment center". They tried to force two guys to sign military
At 2014 ukranian government trick me and send to a Donbass war. I've back home alive after 3 month ( my brigade where i served was abandoned by officers and left us to die) After this I' have promised to myself that i never join any military forces.
NO MAN CAN SAY THEY ARE FREE AS LONG AS THEIR GOVERNMENT CAN FORCIBLY MAKE THEM FIGHT IN A WAR, THEY ARE AGAINST.
Hence those men should declare war on their own government and destroy that government from the inside out.
We need to stick together and declare war on feminism. No more women sending men to their death while sitting on their rears.
well said !
thats when you simply leave the country and let the oil barons and bankers mind their own business
@@theminuskai7453 yea its so easy to do , just leave 4head
Rofl I love the realist explanation by the tattoo artist, "I don't know anyone from Luhansk and they don't know me, why would I die for that reason?" hahaha cracks me up. Politicians think they own human beings and have the right to tell them to die for whatever reason they so choose, the absurdity of it all.
It's always peculiar how those who do not have to die in wars are those that are most adamant about continuing the fight? The Ukrainian lady is so ferverently pro-War in Ukraine, yet she is holding the interview safely from Warsaw....human behavior is so peculiar...
I saw a video long ago about Ukrainians men being beaten in streets for refusing to fight and most of them who being forced to fight surrounded themselves in the slightest chance to the Russian army. It just shows that a portion of the Ukrainian men who fighting don't have the intend to fight and being forced to fight against their well. And in the end they would end up just as number in the list of casualties
I've seen what you describe, but it happened in Russia.
@@whatsgoingon71 Russia economy would collapsed if Russians send all their men in the war. Russia already have enough to continue fighting and most of conscripted men came from prisons unlike Ukraine which their economy is under life support.
@@hornerfarah2282 Russian economy can stand to lose a couple of million men. They are not manufacturing anything, they sell less oil and Gas, than before. Their tech and IT sectors are already suffering because they lost foreign customers and thousands of workers left the country.
The only thing that keeps putin from calling a real mobilization, is the fact that it would end his regime.
Why don't those, who beat the ones who refuse to fight, go to the front line and beat some enemies?
@@whatsgoingon71 l've seen hundreds of video it happening in Ukraine. Hunderds....
Imagine, probably considering not even 5% of it is filmed how much is it happening? True 3reich
In Ukraine, mobilization has been taking place using illegal methods recently. It's simply kidnapping. A guy was standing at a bus stop, a car pulled up and the military came out and pushed the guy by force. They took me to the military registration and enlistment office, and in the evening I was assigned to a military training unit. There are thousands of such cases
і шо ти, де зараз?
@@sanctusboy9382 працюю вдома, добре що робота дозволяє!
@@sanctusboy9382he's in a apartment in Moscow.
@@robinelliott-ni2eh You can track his IP address?
all lies Ivan... all lies, so, only one guy at the bus stop?? what garbage, hundreds of men on the bus every hour.. utter garbage
Lisa Yasko born in 1990 and spend most of her life in Europe. She one of Ukrainian rich politics who know nothing about Russia, who never seen USSR and don't know anything about common life in Ukraine. For her, freedom for Ukraine comes from west, she don't know any other freedom. Zero tolerance against corruption, LOL. Yes, good solutions like diplomatic work and coexisting with Russia, but people like Yasko will never accept that. Real agression against our nation, says Lisa Yasko. How about real agression against East Ukraine, Lisa never heard about that?
you see to forget that a vast part of Ukraine speaks and feels Russian
Smart boys. Life is too much precious to die for a corrupt clown and his puppet master.
Just like the smart boys who are dying for Putin so he can become richer,fancy that, billionaires in a communist country where they are supposed to share the wealth .
💯 Zelensky wife just went on a shopping spree over million dollars so of course they don’t want to die for them.
База
Cant have victory over nuclear power country. No sense to even try...
Rescuing them from a bear, then placing them in the path of a much larger bear, all under the watchful eyes of border guards who believe they are saving them - a truly fascinating twist.
A large bear, yes. But a vodka-guzzling, mentally disabled large bear at best
@@Greysquirrel98COPE
@@Greysquirrel98Russia wants a neutral Ukraine. Half of Europe was neutral during ww2. But Biden wanted a war and now Ukrainians are paying the price. Listen to Colonel McGregor.
Russia has 80 countries against them. Id say they are doing well
@@Greysquirrel98imagine being funded by 30 countries, live 24/7/365 satellite and drone and plane coverage. Soldiers trained to nato standards and use nato equipment with help with nato generals and yet in 4 months they couldn’t even poke the mentally disabled and drunk bear. If that’s the case then Ukraine is missing all of its chromosomes 😂
@@marktsvetanov6038 Russia's military losses indicate otherwise. Ukraine also liberated 4x more territory in the 2nd year of the war than Russia conquered, and they're not stopping yet. Russian common people are far less willing to fight than Ukrainians. People are always far more willing to defend their country than to attack another.
If Ukrainians had known this pre February 22, 2022, they would have told their clown of a president to stick to the Minsk 1&2
Legends❤.
They know to be united with Russia instead 🇷🇺 ❤
The biggest hawks are always those who know that they will never have to be on the frontlines.
We have to do it for our children; said by the one who is not at the war front
He's got a point.
She should go fight to the frontline, since she talks so much about "unfortunately some men don't want to fight"
@@inigomeniego4906even if she did, it wouldn't be mandatory as she wouldn't be forced against her will for a war machine meat grinder
Unfortunately this needs to be a reminder mainly to men, your life isn't seen as your own but as a possession of the state / country you live in.
At any time they can demand you lay down your life for their agenda, let the people choose.
If you run out of willing to fight soldiers unfortunately no matter how horrific the war is you've lost. No more human sacrifice, we need peace talks immediately.
@@Emperor-Inker well, I understand ukrainian fighting heroes. Fighting for a country that will move on, women who will reject them because they are poor and lost a leg at war. Fighting while the rich don't.
They are right to not want peace until Russia gives every centimeter back, pays for all the destruction and lives taken and asks for pardon. Putin is a monster
Grab your stuff and go to the front lines then, support your country instead of being in a warm restaurant. Easy to talk when you’re in a safe place.
If you have "a lot of people who want to fight" then why would you still need conscription? Zero tolerance for corruption? Something is not adding up here. 😂😂😂😂
because no one wants to fight in the 21st century! If you are opposed by the disenfranchised masses of people who are recruited without problems, then how can you stop them without conscription!?
Well, there is a lot of people who want to fight. But it is not enough. It is never enough actually. If two comparable countries fight and one uses conscription and other one dont - the other one just loses the war. Russia uses conscription alright. And especially they draft from the occipied territories. And ukrainians end up killing each other. What a madness.
@@VItarcheg Not sure if I know what you are talking about. Ukrainians started killing each other in 2014.
@@VItarcheg The biggest problem in Ukraine has always been corruption. The Ukrainian mentality is very much like Russians, except Ukrainians have lied to themselves that somehow they live in a full democracy with proper rule of law. What Ukrainains should have done was to reform their government WITHOUT the influence of the West. The US meddled in Ukrainian internal affairs in the name of "promoting democracy and combating corruption." In reality, the US was also bribing Ukrainian politicians to do what the US wants. Russia saw this as unacceptable due to "sphere of influence." Many, and I mean MANY Ukrianian politicians don't care where they get their bribes from either Russia or the US as long as they get rich. This kind of chaos is what led to the current situation in Ukraine. Right now the average fighting age in Ukraine is 40+ and yes, this is pure madness. Zelensky really needs to rethink what is more important for his country.
Not everybody is ok with taking a life. Most people don't wanna lose their own. This war is insane.
zelensky doesn’t care
well is either fight or get fricked by the ruskies. They should know very well that.
Putler is insane we know.
@@4rmDEC2FRE Based off what?
All wars are insane. The insanity of the governments
They WERE NOT BORN to die in war or get disabled! They were born to LIVE HAPPY fulfilled life! This war MUST STOP NOW to save lives & infrastructure that are left. 2 000 000 Russian men left Russia & it's great for them! They will stay alive.
Frank is comparing Russia with open borders to Ukraine with closed borders).- truly un biased” analyst”j. Ukraine population is now much smaller than 40m.
"There's no guarantees that's the country will exist after my death" thats really touching 😭💔
eu citizens should volunteer themselves to fight russia as many as possible
@@andia968there are plenty of foreign legions in Ukraine, you should join, or maybe wagner is more your thing
@@solaireastora5394 not enuff foreign legions
@@andia968 still not enough deaths for you?
Death and taxes are what are what we will all pay some day. Think before you act
Henry Kissinger once said: "To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”
Absolutely true
Machiavellian government
He also said: "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."
Same with Ukraine. Maidan coup. The source of this tragedy.
He said it about russia.
@@bdleo300the source of this tragedy is that Russia brought to power in Ukraine president Yanukovych and a government that were puppets of Moscow. This led to a revolution on Maydan. You should study the history of Ukraine better!
They are not living "under Russian occupation ". Those occupied territories are Russian speaking and happy to be with Russia. Look at Mariupol, e.g.
I expect Russian Ukrainians aren't thrilled about fighting against Russia. Most Ukrainians in the southeast wanted to remain in the russian sphere.
Why is it so difficult to understand why Ukrainian refused to fight? They are being forced to fight for someone cause which they do not believe in, facing certain death in a war that is already lost before it even started...
yeah in the beginning they was optimistic and motivated by the false narrative told by the gov now they see the reality of that war, the highly amount of causalities that western media don't talk about in a war which it was lost from the start and bring ukranians to certain death
Don't tell truth cuz maybe NATO agents are watching you
Their literally fighting for their sovereignty.
Yes, you are right, Iran should stop supplying weapons to Russia they are only prolonging the war and causing more Russian deaths.
Russia will never be defeated
If a man does not want to fight for his country, he doesn't have to
He can change his gender. It's legal.
Exactly. For my country the Netherlands, I would have fought in the past. But not in the 21st century anymore. The sense of community and positivity of the past is long gone, and the urban elites are completely disconnected from the common man.
@@VolodymyrLisivka Gender? As a matter of fact women fight in Ukraine, even ladies from foreign countries.
Then he should find another country he would be willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with other patriots to fight for. Or accept that he is not man and put on a dress and be treated accordingly in society.
@@user-gi6yc4fv9ya man should never be forced to fight for a country he doesn’t believe in, for falsehoods or political ideas he disagrees with.
What I’m really confused about is the sentiment “in the beginning of the war there were tonnes of volunteers but now Ukraine needs a draft”.
From what my relatives told me the draft has been going on from day 1 of the war. Most of those fighting on the front lines aren’t volunteers but drafted men.
Ukraine has lost well over 300K soldiers since the start of the war (killed and heavily injured). Its army's best trained and most motivated troops were slain in the much-praised offensive in the autumn / fall of 2022. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel now.
@@GeorgE-yo5yc Stay truthful here. They specifically hadn't drafted the younger generation so far to avoid breaking young families apart. They are not even close to "bottom of the barrel". But it's only natural that after long fights, not much progress recently and heavy trench fighting people are now less willing to volunteer. That's no different than what would happen in the west. If this war became hot between NATO and Russia, we'd fight initially with volunteers, reservists and the standing armies, but if the war would drag on several years, we'd have to draft men just as much. (Something some guys in the west apparently haven't understood yet, that it's their duty to do so as a citizen when things become bad).
To me it's a bit confusing how the younger generation apparently now thinks that their freedom came without a price. The price for being a free citizen anywhere in our nations was ALWAYS that if that freedom needs to be defended you have to serve. Apparently getting rid of conscription in most countries has somehow made young men think they no longer have any duties. Being a citizen ALWAYS came with responsibilities.
@@LeutnantJoker This was not my opinion, that was a hardcore fact. Feel free to check the following source ->
@@LeutnantJoker The irretrievable losses of the Ukrainian army exceeded the number of the active military personnel. This was confirmed by the independent research group War Tears, which shared the new data on the Ukrainian losses, based on the special math model.
According to the report released on February 22, 2024, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost 377,324 servicemen killed. For the first time, the number of killed servicemen exceeded the number of active fighters of the AFU, which is currently 366,625 servicemen.
The 377,324 Ukrainian losses is by far the most conservative estimate. The number of severely wounded who will never be able to rejoin the army is around 250,000.
The analysis also revealed that the average monthly losses of Ukraine amount to about 16 thousand dead.
As reported by various other sources, the number of irretrievable wounded losses is comparable to or exceeds the number of dead. Thus, the total number of irretrievable Ukrainian losses may be estimated at about 32 thousand people per month.
War Tears concluded that “even if Kiev manages to solve all the problems it faced with during the training of military personnel, then 500 thousand soldiers mobilized will be enough for about 16 months of hostilities, that is, until the summer of 2025.
Men do not want to die in meaningless war for politicians making money from this war.
Dying for the US oligarch , I feel sorry for those men who died having in mind the idea of an independent Ukraine
No, dying because of PUTIN. Different thing.
Ever soul shall taste death. Nobody escapes death....better to die standing and fighting than to die on knees as a slave!
@@hamzarorick4875And who says they were about to be enslaved. Read the comment you replied again
Dying to decrease chances to have another Bucha massacres.
@@hamzarorick4875 Such wisdom coming from the armchair philosopher, who will not take even a single step in the trenches.
Sounds like staying neutral would have been a far smarter thing to do than all this.
Indeed
@@priyajoseph7108They were not neutral
@@Island-Nationevery country has the sovereign right to choose their economic & strategic alliances without having the neighbor invading them.
USA has imposed draconian economic sanctions against Cuba for over 60 years now.@@jacqdanieles
nw that neutral bit , sure make s sense 🤔
Border guards are trying to save lives 🤣 best jokes are here!
10:51 I love listening to the politician talk about the importance of fighting for your country and why they need more people…. While waitresses in a high end restaurant walk around with bottles of wine.
To save lives? They are running away for their lives. Jesus!
Let me get this straight, Me (21 M) who was living life and minding my own business, now has to choose between Going to war and potentially dying or going to prison for like 17years all because 2 dudes in suits couldn’t come to an agreement ?
Yup. And the girls hav eno such worries, they can live it up however they wish.
Yes, ukranians voted for this. isn't demcracy great ?
@@vettemuziekjes How about we all vote to chop off your johnson. Would that be fair and democratic?
I just woke up from a coma, and I'm confused. When I went in, I'm pretty sure there was a peace agreement, that was in April or March last year. What happened?
Zero tolerance for any kind of curroption 😂
It is a "cheaper way" to "weaken Russia" or so they tell us
Lloyd Austin has openly said the goal of this war is to weaken Russia. Ukrainians are giving their lives for US global hegemony.
What is cheaper? And why is it in quotations?
CheapFodder? Ok
@@gudnikristinncheaper because it's Ukrainian lives being lost not the west and it's in quotation because weakening Russia is a myth that will never materialize
well, technically it is... but at the expense of Ukraine... they could have had just surrendered from the get go, but no they got cozy with the US lol
Better to live than to lose your life in this senseless war
@@lu544 You seriously just defended Ukraine enslaving people by saying Russia would enslave them otherwise. Its like people caught up in the propoganda can't even hear themselves.
@@lu544 You should fight America needs you in the Front
@@lu544Ukrainian and Russians are the same people dude, there was Ukraine before the 90s
if you wont defend your country then no country should want you.
@@benjaminrobinson9140 You should fight America needs you in the Front
this afternoon, prague: i was working with my ukranian colleague and he was watching a video of a guy being taken from his home. that was seriously hard to watch with the wife crying and everything