Cold Weather Layering Part 4: Tactical Rain Gear Explained
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- In this installment of our Cold Weather Layering Series, Kevin breaks down everything you need to know about tactical rain gear so make an informed purchase decision, and know how to use it.
Cold Weather Layering Series
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0:00 Intro
3:25 The Stackable Layering Overview
7:06 - Styles of Rain Jackets
8:55 - 3 Different Categories of Rain Jacket Fabric
14:00 - The Poncho
14:48 - Jacket Construction
17:06 - Waterproof Stats
18:29 - Breathability Stats
19:16 - DWR Basics
20:39 - Rain Pants
22:20 - Gaiters
23:29 - Cheap vs. Expensive Jacket
25:42 - Kevin’s top picks
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Rain kilt+umbrella. Kilt is very breathable and an umbrella can easily be made to use with no hands. No annoying hoods or sweating problem. Just wear whatever you normally wear.
I normally wear a kilt 😂
I don't mean a rain kilt, I mean a proper kilt.
Umbrella is the perfect rain kit for trench fighting or to use in any tactical situation.
Maj. Digby Tatham-Warter, DSO, would beg to differ
We haven't the facilities!
...sorry!
You carry an umbrella in tactical situations? That's fucking stupid
The most dangerous weather conditions to operate in, are at or near freezing temps and rain. You get wet and youre in the hurt locker. Extreme heat and extreme cold are usually expected and you prepare. Love the educational videos and youre not trying to sell anything expect knowledge!
I've had to explain this while mountaineering - that 'just above freezing' carries a greater risk of hypothermia than 'just below,' because the air is wet and saps your heat more than dry, frozen air.
Right on bro. 100% agree@@Jedwoods
Near freezing, gale force winds, with torrential rain is the worst weather condition. The wind exchanges the trapped air with every gust and is frequent enough that you don't have time to heat the trapped air before the next gust. Sheets of icy cold rain extract the heat from your body through conduction as it compresses the insulation in your clothing. In this situation you have to abandon breathe-ability in your choice of apparel. Best to wear a longshoreman's heavy rubber slicker or a divers wet suit as you make your way to shelter.
110% agree. I've worked at -40C and up to +40C, and the one thing that had people pulled out the most due to risk of moderate hypothermia was rain during the temps you describe. At -40C and snowing you just add clothing or stay moving. But with rain it gets everywhere.
@@Jedwoods I was more cold in Fort Benning in 39 degrees and pouring rain than I was In Fort Drum where it was -25 in the field.
I got the chance to do a small amount of training with the New Zealand SAS a few years ago and picked up a cool kit option. Those guys live in the cold and wet near freezing levels and this is how some of them handle cold/wet weather:
I use an ultra-thin mountaineering rain layer in my kit (like the Beyond jacket mentioned), but it doesn’t go on the outside. Rain layers are often hard and make significant noise while moving. Also, if it gets punctured, it’s significantly less useful. So instead of Goretex, I wear the ultra-thin layer UNDER my camo top. The camo top is a consumable piece of kit that is designed to get beaten up and used, costs significantly less money, is very quiet, and is going to be concealing/near IR compliant.
That sounds like a great idea. I'm wondering did you regularly overheat while wearing it?
@@walleyej8801It can be a factor. The first time I used it, I never overheated, but it was also July in New Zealand in the mountains. I was struggling to keep warm most of the time. I also did this at JRTC in January and heat buildup was more of an issue. I ended up leaving the top of my jacket a little unzipped and just flapped the bottom of my jacket open and closed to get some air flow.
I think your talking about something called a stealth suit. It’s 2 ply goretex and meant to be worn under your jacket/smock which is seen as the consumable item. If you google C P gear you’ll find it.
You're describing the equivalent of a level 4 wind shirt: ua-cam.com/video/6GnbqwZ28ME/v-deo.htmlsi=PcYTVNlnNaQ9pkx
Your description is nice and succinct. It seems to be a nice piece of kit I'd like to try
German military issues rain undergarments (top bottom). Always thought it seemed impractical. Your comment makes me rethink that.
What about the outer fatigues getting soaked, though? Is it not much of an issue?
Launched out for our FTX during maountain phase in a winter Ranger school. Rain started when we stepped off and turned off the day we came back. Some of the most miserable moments of my life were getting into a soaked sleep system in freezing temps. Rain gear and waterproofing are so critical. A soldier casn fight hot, a soldier can fight cold, but a soldier often does not want to fight wet.
Sometimes hardship is unavoidable, and sometimes it isn't. Nothing wrong with staying dry if you can.
@@SpiritusSystems Well said, I also just saw how many mispellings I had in my comment. Must have had a few brewskis before typing lol I promise I'm not an illiterate idiot
Winter Ranger school was the most miserable training I’ve experienced in my 4 short years of the army 😂 Wet, Cold, hungry, and tired are the perfect combo for pure hell
@@thecalabungaboyz9500 went in the summer class 10-82, I prefer the warm rain, it also sucked big time.
I love the poncho cause it can cover everything and make a shelter, I think both should be in kit
Just make sure you have a way to keep it from blowing around. I'm a big fan of ponchos and woobies as part of my layering system and I use an elastic belt to keep them from getting flapped around.
Both should be in the kit
Idk man I think ponchos let the legs get too wet- I'd at least pack rain pants to supplement one.
Contractor trash bags are more durable and cheaper than most disposable ponchos, and more versatile. I just throw 2 in my backpack folded up if I plan on being in the woods more than a night and they're great for keeping things dry if something unexpected rolls in.
@@fungifactory8925 ponchos have hoods, prebuilt arm holes, grommets to act as a tarp… a trash bag is nearly as heavy but far weaker and needs turned into a poncho to use.
The rainy shots in this video, particularly 0:28 are just aesthetically gorgeous.
Great video, breakdowns, and great info. Only issue is the price to permance ratios IMHO. You just arent going to get a better jacket than the Arcteryx. Are the others cheaper and keep you dry? Yes. Do they beat the Arcteryx in performance despite the savings? No. Arcteryx is a brand that builds one thing the best. The Alpha SV and LEAF jackets are 1000% more than MOST people need. They are 100% up to the task. Ive seen them surpass the most insane challenges and durability tests in severe alpine conditions that make heavy rain look like a walk in the park.
I’ve worn the Vertx Integrity shell jacket as my primary rain coat the past few years. I’ve beat on it pretty hard and worn it in some miserably weather for extended periods of time. Venting features and hood removability are a big plus. Deserves consideration for anybody in the market.
Id really like to see a break down by vets on layering their kit with the gen2 ecwcs parka.... under the chest rig or plate carrier? Over the kit? And demo how its used during a movement as well as combat in extreme weather
This video, the intro, the sound design, the color, the EVERYTHING. SO good dudes.
There are a bunch of Wp jackets out there that are 40k/40k and are breathable, packable and light weight. I've used the Beyond Yuba for years under a carrier and it's still 100% good to go. It's only 8oz and almost fits in my pocket. You don't need the jacket to be heavy/high denier count to be durable and 100% waterproof. Fabrics have come a long way in 20 years.
Which models and brands can you be exact- not catching “wp” 40k/40 plus breathable..sounds about futuristic. I’d like to get that as I live in an igloo lol jk but it’s cold
Best I have is Norrona Anorak Goretex pro 3L, id imagine couldn’t be much better water proofing but it’s not really breathable unless you unzip it so breathable is the issue I’m interested in now. Lmk what you recommend
@@alphaomega9255I also have a norrona goretex hunting jacket and it's awesome. But only in cold weather. I live in Canada and use it for hunting. But ironically goretex is only breathable enough when it is really cold and definitely not raining. It works good to make insulation layers much warmer without the bulk because it blocks 100% of the wind. If it's actually raining I'd wear a poncho....especially if it is anywhere above 5 degree celcius.
Idk about that... I grew up in the Swiss mountains (still live there) and have decent alpine/cold condition experience. I haven't come across any real waterproof/breathable fabrics. Even gore tex soak through, esp at pressure points, like the pack straps and it must be the same with plate carriers and whatnot. Plus it's way too expensive for something that won't hold up anyways.
Personally I wear Helly Hansen fishing jackets, the heavy rubberized ones, when I have to be out in the rain. You will stay dry. But yeah, they're not breathable. It's alright in the cold but you don't want to sweat in them. Snow is much easier to deal with.
I avoid wet and cold conditions like the plague - esp in the mountains it can kill you. Happens all the time here. Exposure is a very underrated risk. Much more prone to accidents, slipping, falling. Flash floods. Disorientation (getting lost). All sorts of hazards. I find using an umbrella is best for hiking. Generally you have to get out of the weather ASAP.
And yeah I realise that won't work for soldiering. The Swiss army uses ponchos. But you won't stay dry for very long. Personally, if I really have to, I use fabrics that stay warm and insulate you even when wet. Because you will get wet so might as well be prepared. Thats the pro way.
@@alphaomega9255 Beyond Yuba. Light weight, packable and 40k/40k
I used to work in the outdoor business for many years and all I can say its a good compedium. About poncho - I still carry it as you can use it as shelter and in hot conditions when inside temp is even or lower than on the outside - there is no particle movement so breathability does not exist even in Goretex. Poncho is a great kit for weather chanding conditions, not windy but rapid rain/sun changes. I just use it over my LBE if sun comes out I just flip it or roll it on the pack to dry. In high wind it sucks. I like the vest topic input - very often vests are forgotten and Im also a great fan of it. About 2.5 and Paclite - not a fan of it. We had most return and fix claims for Paclites - easy to break and the are "bubbling" - disintegrate. DWR needs to be re-appliet but whats more important re-activated with heat (hair dryer or shit like that)
love the editing guys keep up the good content👍
Love these vids from you guys.
Of all the layering episodes, this is the one I was waiting for. Currently live in a dry hell hole but moving to a place where it rains a lot.
The cold weather layering video series you have made is absolutely gold and well worth the watch.
Fantastic video. This should be on a 'must watch' list for the prepared citizen.
Great video. I've been itching for something between my poncho and old USGI Woodland kit for a while now and this really cleared things up for me.
Thanks guys for this great serie, and also people how know how to use gear and explain the science behind it.
Great updates mate. Cheers from Australia. Merry Christmas & safe New Year.
Wow that Riley guy knows how to make even rain jackets look cool on a camera. Best video guy around!!!
Love this series. I just moved to Alaska from Texas so I’m learning to deal with the cold and snow. It’s so annoying managing layers but I’ve found out the hard way what happens when you don’t do it right. I’m mainly using a combination of stuff issued to me and surplus stuff I bought myself. I hope you guys include a video on cold weather footwear, headgear, and gloves. How you pack all this stuff and what and when to pack it would be very helpful. I’ve been carrying the entire ECWCS with me and dealing with the bulk of it all is annoying. I put all my stuff into dry bags and then use compression straps to try to get it as compact as possible but it makes it difficult to pack and unpack. Great video. Keep it going!
Rain cover on the bag, and inside water tight bags / garbage bag for those that are cheap. Make sure the garbage bag doesn't "open" at the top so any water getting in doesn't leak into it. Zip lock bags etc... Sleeping bag in separate bag.. all PNW 'regular' stuff as it rains 50% of the year.
Just look at what the guys on the fishing boats wear....
Rubberized (Helly Hansen) Jackets. Thats the way to stay dry if you're not counting ounces. They're also a lot cheaper.
Also, only wear stuff underneath that retains it's insulating value when wet.
But best is to stay or get out of weather anyways.
For cold. Goose down everytime. Unless you expect to get wet. Buy the best jacket you can afford.
You're welcome 😅✌️
That was a really good video. The information, the pace, the cut ins, the recommendations. All of it. Very good, very helpful. Five Stars - would watch here again.
Thank you for this! There is so much gear out there, it's nice to have the quality of the fabric broken down one layer. No pun intended. Thanks again.
Rain jackets should be long enough to cover all other layers.
Modern waterproof zips have made poppers obsolete but traditional poppers allow you to vent the whole front without it flapping around.
In maritine temperate wet winters the humidity can be high, so breathable membranes do not work well.
In the UK there are a few other well proven systems. The waxed cotton hunting jacket is popular but heavy and not for mountain sports or carrying in a pack.
The Buffallo pile/pertex system is used by mountain rescue and winter climbers.
Paramo system is another highly breathable sysyem used by professionals.
Swiss here (mountainous area). Breathable and waterproof just don't go together. I wear rubberized gear when working in the rain and that really works but is heavy and not breathable. You won't perform in rain anyway though, so skip that thought. It's too dangerous as well. As to packability, yeah well... As I said. It will soak through fast.
Here it's quite established in pro circles to dress in layers/fabrics that retain their insulating values when wet. That's the real key. Staying warm is prioritized over staying dry. Because you won't stay dry anyways. Guaranteed. Trying is futile.
Cold and wet and mountains don't go together. The rescue helicopters flay over my house when approaching the hospital landing pad and let me tell you, they're busy.
Great video with great info!!!
Always appreciate this series. My job has me outside all day regardless of weather so a lot of this is pretty new to me as I need to seek out a lot of the same principles for active performance and protection in just about every type of weather.
If weight isn't a huge issue go for Helly Hansen workwear. The rubberized stuff. That's what Alaskan fishermen wear. That's the only thing that will keep you truly dry. But it isn't breathable. But it is a whole lot cheaper than the GoreTex money grab stuff.
Breathable and waterproof is an oxymoron - it just doesn't work.
Very informative video thanks guys
Knocked it out the park on this one,A lot of things I picked up from experience and alot in depth information I was not aware of
Respects from North Georgia
I personally like columbias rain jackets when i hike or work i also used a merrel fallon jacket which is surprisingly good
Great video! I will say that the cheep rubber suits are absolutely great if you are outside in a downpour. No they aren't great for moving but if you have to be standing or sleeping outside with no cover or tent to hide in those things work great for keeping you dry even if you're sitting in wet mud. Not recommended if you can afford something better but they have a place and are better at keeping you dry than a lot of other/cooler options. In a tactical situation I would rather have one of those suits than a $200 "water resistant" tactical jacket with all the bells and whistles. Those jackets will eventually leave you soaked and that is what you want to avoid at all costs.
Yes. Rubberized Helly Hansen workwear (and alike) is great. But heavy. The GoreTex stuff just doesn't work and it costs a fortune.
Awesome video thanks!
The greatness of this video is second only to the greatness of the moustache. Well done Sir.
Worth noting that the big hunting brands such as Sitka, Kuiu, First Lite, etc have big seasonal sales which makes picking up a fully featured 3l shells much more obtainable. Here in MN shell pants are also critical.
Keep up the great content boys!
I use the Firstlite Vapor Stormlight Ultralight Rain Jacket. It has waterproof zippers, a really good hood and it's made to hold up going through brush. I live in Hawaii and this jacket is a critical part of my hunting and SHTF system. It's a 2.5 layer system so not as water efficient as the 3 and 4 layer systems but works pretty good for me. I have an Outdoor Research Helium jacket as well and that's my daily use. Thanks for the great videos!!!!
What's the difference between $100 rain jacket and $600rain jacket? Umm, if my math is correct ... 500 dollars.
And a longer useful life as far as delamination of the waterproof membrane over time.
😂
Outdoor research Foray Gortex II uses goretex paclite and has never failed on me. Took it with me everywhere during last years rain storm in California.
I've been using the OR trailbreaker 2 pants on wet days a lot lately in the PNW, they're a hybrid design with waterproof fabric going to mid/low thigh and soft-shell above that. They have vent's on the sides as well, a kind of snow skirt/gaiter built in and a cordura cuff at the bottom for wear. Wouldn't be my first choice for sitting around in the rain but when I'm moving quite a bit they've been amazing. The Fjallraven waxed canvas material does great in wet brush and light rain too, unless it's a downpour those are my top choices for pants for sure.
Thanks for the video
Hey, guys! Really appreciate all the knowledge dumps as of late.
I also think it's hilarious that LBE is cool again, lol
Ukraine happened
Wow what a complicated and expensive topic. You did a great job and appreciate the content. I live in the mountains of Virginia where winter temps typically run 20-50F. Occasionally we go into the teens and infrequently to around zero. My critical temp as far as what to wear is 40F. I use a Silicone outer layer jacket or poncho as a wind breaker and light water resistant garment or both, with or without extra layers underneath from 40-50F. Below 40F I use a German surplus Gortex Top. Nylon will not stop the cold from coming through via convection or conduction. My base layer is either a flannel, or BDU, or wool shirt, over a long sleeved polyester tee no mater what else I put on. I crank out the heat with activity and stripping down to the shirt is often just right . The shirt is usually enough for me during activity and some static time. As it gets colder I will add a vest. I switch to heavier weight pants. If I’m more static or temps are at 30 or below, a zip fleece top will be added over the shirt, and the addition of US Cold weather pants. I don’t use LJs till the temp stays in the 20s or less due to overheating. So I have a little less than $300 into Eddie Bauer nylon wind rain Jacket, military style polyester poncho, German surplus Gortex Jacket and US Cold Weather wind rain pants which gives me 4 seasons capability.. I also use rubber boots with Wiggys.com liners in the thirties and below.
Good content, you got a new sub! 🤜🤛
What kind of rig chest/war belt with harnass are the gentlemen in the video wearing? It looks super handy and comfy please anyone who knows this tell me can't find online.
It's the 34 Alpha Split Rig with the LBV Expander Kit. www.spiritussystems.com/34-alpha-chest-rig/ www.spiritussystems.com/lbv-expander-kit/
Great vid!
platatac OSSA jacket is my go too rain jacket, works like a charm
I've been rocking the Patagonia Torrentshell 3L for a few months now and I love it. For the price I think its a pretty decent waterproof layer
Siempre utilizo las chaquetas de rezagos militares, son baratas, duraderas y cumplen con su propósito que es mantenerte seco.. Gran video, gracias por compartir tu experiencia.
Poncho, Arcteryx Cold Wx Hoody or Jacket depending on Temps, Arktis Smock, a beyond clothing goretex set, and a set of Fjallraven pants if it's cold
Important to note here that the heavy duty used there is a Gen2ECWCS which is very similar to the APECs from the Airforce, Marines, and Navy. The Gen 3 is on the lighter side.
And the gen1 goretex parka is even heavier with its full lining
Nice info! I bought a Triple Aught Design Raptor hoodie for light weather. Polartec neoshell is pretty sweet. Heavy rain, I just pull out the gen 3 L6 surplus. Huge chest zips. I've got a gen 2 L5 which is decent. Doesnt breath as well so it's better for static stuff.
Extremely useful information. I thought my old m81 heavy rain jacket and pants just weren’t waterproof anymore I had no idea about DWR. Thank you.
My primary Arcteryx Beta AR needs the same. I'll need to know the DWR process for other shells too no doubt.
Unless your operating in the arctic or Alaska, I haven’t needed much use for the higher end gear. I’ve ran Colombia, REI, etc. in Alaska as well as other areas. I wore Costco cold weather gear running surveillance and reconnaissance missions in Kandahar. Eh, to each their own. I’m not much of a gear dork and ran some pretty questionable gear as a n 0321 man and as a contractor, haha! To each their own. Great video, keep up the great work.
I use a Salomon rain jacket with Primaloft, reinforced elbows. Works great. I bought it years ago but I’m pretty sure it’s 20k/20k. Thanks for the video!
Just have a poncho for now, will maybe get some full zip pants. This is definitely the best new “gun tube” channel in the last few years. I like the long content, more of no bs just info channel. As a Leo with a preparedness mindset I thank you for putting out this information to everyone who is preparing for the coming storm. You guys should collaborate with dirty civilian to spread your knowledge further. Stay safe.
Poncho with usgo gen1 goretex pants is the affordable way in
Poncho for most of the year, OG M81 gortex parka for the winter
*takes notes frantically as new resource advisor* thanks for teaching me what 70 denalli is 😁
I live in WA where it rains 7-8 months out fo the year.
I use the military surplus gortex woodland tops and bottoms or surplus ponchos. Works good here, gaiters are a must.
Colder environments / mountains can require more obviously.
People don’t realize what rain is until they have had to live outside in the Pacific Northwest during the fall/winter.
I’ve used a Helly Hansen work rain jacket in some torrential rains, it’s their gale line. Always performs well. Not the most packable or breathable, but if you have to stand in the rain up to some light walking, it’s a solid performer.
Thank you.
Ponchos are great for shelters and huddling up in the cold/rain but not great for rain wear if you're moving. The worst problem with them is that they stop somewhere along your lower body, depending on how tall you are, and in a downpour parts of your legs are going to get soaked and that moisture can travel down to your feet from your clothes. They also trap all moisture if you have gear on over top of them.
I will say those surplus Gortex jackets are worth every penny. I've lived in those on several continents and in several environments and they just work even in rough field conditions. Not great for warm weather use but great for everything else.
KUIU has good outer hard/soft shells with great DRW treatments. On the plus side, KUIU is tested in the most extreme cases of weather in Alaska
Here for the Kevin content 🎉
Excellent and comprehensive presentation. Lots to take in and now put into practise. I've used mostly the emergency level jackets specifically for their light weight and packability but have gotten burned a time or two in weather that was just too much. I have the old woodland gortex which is bombproof but heavy and bulky. I wish they made a knee length jacket at the 2.5 level that would integrate with the gaiters so you can ditch the pants, which are awful to move in, and you could hunker down in the jacket if need be. Any thoughts on the light weight backpacking idea of the rain skirt/kilt? Perhaps a multifunctional piece that can double as a ground sheet or gear cover.
Thanks for the great series.
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Thanks for the series gents, quite interesting, one thing i think i noticed Adam doing in your older videos was a poncho or a woobie worn through the neck and secured on the back with one of the straps of the chest rig so its out of the way (maybe not applicable when a carrier is worn) which i found also interesting, probably allowing for quick on/off during stops with minimal messing around, is that correct and maybe you could explain the context a bit more and/or do a shorts on that?
The Jacket that I've been using for a while now is the Triple Aught Design Stealth LT. Its been discontinued for a bit, so I'm fairly ignorant on tech specs besides whats on the tag, and any test results. It seems to still hold up to light to medium conditions, but I definitely need some care on it before I seek out any heavy conditions.
Poncho for the win
I’ve been looking for a quality rain jacket for a long time now, but didn’t know which was the best or where to start. So I been patient on buying and just stuck with my simple construction trash bag made poncho to fit over my gear 😂. Anyways, informative video!
That intro is a vibe
Thanks for yet another thought-through video! Honestly, my key take-away was the part about the stats and how to differentiate between emergency, light and heavy duty raincoats. Would never have thought there are this many coat types there. By the way, really loved explanation about a poncho and how it fits in the current layering system, or rather, that it can fit but it is something to consider as almost "emergency" type of raingear nowadays.
Personally, I am leaning towards the use of, a bit unexpectedly, a poncho or some kind of, as you say, 2 layer cheap rain jacket (quite a lot of surplus models there). However, I would like to note here that this depends on my personal experience. For me, having something lightweight and multifunction is of utmost importance. Moreover, I rarely found myself in situations when I need to both be on the continuous move (that is that I cannot stop and need to move even at slow pace) and fight against the rain.
What I really loved the most, are the stats and the high-end raincoat overviews. I have never thought about differences between Gore-tex Packlight and Pro, that was useful. Also, it was really nice to learn that there actually are proper methods for measuring breathability and waterproofness, thanks a lot for that.
Bro wrote a 5 paragraph essay.
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As a junior soldier, i once marched 6km to the training area, with PVC rain gear that I bought 2nd hand for 10 bucks, because i wanted to try something else than standard issue.
Eventough it was below freezing point, i learned pretty quickly why PVC was the wrong choice, or raingear altogether in a medium-paced ruckmarch.
Good point about slowing your pace after putting on your rain jacket. I think its advisable to take off a midlayer when adding a rain jacket at similar temperatures. I think a loose rain jacket will not only allow puffy vests underneath but also be more breathable simply by having more area.
Also wearing wool under rain layers makes the higher moisture underneath much more comfortable. It is heavier though.
I love my ponchos for rain over my ruck and gear .
Good information, but I noticed DARC has a tactical urban sustainment course. Would you guys consider making a video on some of the basic concepts of that discussion?
I like that a poncho can keep all your kit dry, especially glass.
I think Arc teryx beta is a hell of a rain jacket. Work great layered or just a T shirt in warmer days
Oh boy spiritus systems posted another video! Can’t wait to watch a half hour long video teaching me how to put on a jacket!
You’re welcome. Make sure to zip.
Bergans of Norway, and Norrøna got some great rain/shell gear for patroling/hunting. Just expect to pay arcteryx prices... or more.
If you are buying gear like this that is not as expensive as Arc, buy Haglöfs. Arc has an extra added cost for the brand value and manufacturing country, but a Haglöfs layer will take you far if you have good DWR.
Poncho is based and should be packed before any rain jacket
look at hunting brands! not cheap, they are cutting edge for sure, and on par with the most expensive outdoor brands...shoutout to Kuiu!!!!
The Beyond a6. Is a great option. And there on sale on the website a lot of times.
Would you consider doing a video on your preferred garment maintenance and cleaning products. What application style? Wash in vs spray on. Using generic “clean” non additive cleaning products vs something like nikwax or others.
GOod stuff.
I live in the NW....it's wet and cold here....I've found pure wool works the best....smart wool base layer, and heavy wool as an outerwear....it's old school but it still works better....
I remember my first field event. It was cold and windy so I threw on my wet wether top as a wind layer. I sweated through everything once we started moving. It was brutal.
Nice
So if you are training in the pouring rain with a helmet on multiple days, is the only way to not get soaked is to use a poncho to cover everything?
Yo creo que se le está dando demasiadas vueltas un corta abierto para emergencias y un poncho Impermeables y lo mejor de todo es un Goretex o Simpatex que tenga un buen acabado exterior y debajo un forro polar bueno y una térmica
could you make a video explaining and demonstrating field shelters and poncho shelters?
Something not mentioned here is some superior foreign gear (not Berry compliant). UF Pro Monsoon rain gear is outstanding and NIR. My recommendation for a more effective poncho is the Kelty Poncho (Berry Compliant). You can certainly wear a chest rig over the Kelty and it will cover all of you and your sustainment pack. You will spend $$$ on these items though I find them worth it in temperate high humidity. The UF Pro Delta cold weather coat is also great down to 18F (tested) with movement due to the side zips able to allow airflow to dry you during movement and it’s highly insulating due to the synthetic down which also doesn’t lose insulation when wet due to body perspiration. Side note: I find Arcteryx too warm regardless of the side zips on their rain gear.
wheres ur videos or what's ur channel. if ur so much smarter than these guys it must be getting millions of views ,,,right???? 😂😂wtf dude just stop
@@chizzelfingerswhat are you even going on about? Are you on meth or heroine?
new subscriber straight away! i live in uk. freezing rain, wind-blown fine drizzle. there are so many drab and damp things here to sap your energy and kill your will to live quicker than you realise you're soaking wet and sweating wet and damn, will that drizzle just stop soaking my sleeves? i need my hands but the endless wet is starting to make my fingers freeze.
For backpacking 3 months in North Carolina during the summer, do you think the Beta SV is excessive or would you recommend the Stone Glacier M5 over the SV? I found a good deal on a Beta SV Yukon (such a cool color with a subdued Archaeopteryx symbol) for a little over $500. Western NC rains a lot but it also gets quite hot.
Freezing rain is the most challenging imo. You just freeze. You become cold if you stop even for a minute. You need massive insulation and waterproofness. Heaven forbid you break your feet or legs, you'll be dead in an hour. It's such an interesting subject. I'll wear a base layer, a softshell perhaps, a synthetic puffer jacket and then a goretex later. And if you're in the mountains, sweating and exerting high energy output at times, I perhaps will pack more layers. Gotta be careful of losing your feeling if the hands get too wet, as then you can't do anything. Water and cold just hugs you, and the wind will cut you down.
There is a role for insulation worn over your waterproof. You can take it off before you climb a hill, without getting wet inside.
Layers should always be used and adjusted to avoid sweating.
Well done
beyond arx L6 is fantastic for the price especially as it is currently clearanced if your size i available
You got me curious. I just found out that the Carinthia jacket I was thinking of getting only has a 10,000mm water column, and so I looked around. The DNS Alpha is a 3 layered jacket with 20,000mm wc, and about €100 cheaper. Thanks for the tip.
Which REI Jacket did you compare? Even within their lines, they have quality differences like the Trailmade ($60) vs Rainier ($80-$100) vs XeroDry ($110-$170). The latter seems comparable to the Foray since it’s also Goretex.
Not sure if this was asked yet, but how would you guys rate the current issue rain gear vs the M81 stuff mentioned in your video? On the trail now, hope to be back to the center of the universe soon. Thanks for the vid.
Great video