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@@garisonkillingsworth5232 I'll let the experts handle this, but for the time being I can offer what I know. I think that the way the Air Force special warfare officer career fields work is there's a general special warfare officer (SWO) classification for the selection phase and then from there SWO's move on to become either special tactics officers (STO) or combat rescue (CRO). If it's anything like it's been, SR probably falls under the command of STO's. Take what I say with a grain of salt because I'm just a cadet and I can only know what I've heard from older cadets and what I can find online. www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2170844/air-force-creates-new-afsc-for-special-warfare-officers/
@@ginger0208 no prob and marines refused it bc their leaders are dumb and they say that all marines are “special” so they didn’t want a spec ops unit. Which is ironic bc now they have a spec ops unit.
I think Air Force SR is gonna attract a lot of Recon Marines. I left a comment on the Ones Ready channel about how many ST Airmen I’ve seen that were former Recon Marines and they replied saying “there was a big push in the 90s for jump and dive qualified guys to join AF Special Warfare.” I think SR might be the second push
@Hipster Jihadist considering the same things Justin commented were from the Ones Ready channel, as I've watched those videos as well, is it second hand hear say if actual SR airmen and other Special Warfare operators are saying it? The hosts of Ones Ready are active and former SR, PJs, and CCT, so that is as first hand as it gets.
@Hipster Jihadist The information about Recon Marines going into the Air Force during the 90s was literally given to me by a Ones Ready host, hop off my nuts 😭 holy shit dude that’s weird, it’s like you got some grudge against me
Key point for anyone outside of the lingo, when he says "Considered infantry" he means the MOS designator starts with 03. 0321 - Reconnaissance Marine 0372 - Critical Skills Operator And so forth
Great video; I've always seen FORCE Recon watching enemy/people movement for conventional leadership and Special Recon studying all elements of the environment (weather, terrain, civilian movement, city layout, etc).
Man..... yall make me want to REENLIST... but I'm 49 lol. Love the info and presentation you guys have for those seeking military info. I'm a Marine and you guys really fairly represent alm the options and badassery every branch has for those hard charges. Im born and raised in SATX and actually had my Corrections MOS classes at Lackland back in 93'. Keep up the great work.
Excellent Info! An Air Force Forward Weatherman (as he described himself) and I became aquatinted at Fort Benning during Jump School. He taught me how to use ISO lines on weather maps to help me predict where the biggest surf was when I was in NC. I was lucky enough to go to RECON school as a non-infantry Marine. I was Motor-T and then became the Water Safety Survival Instructor in 2D ANGLICO. The billet came up and no one wanted it. So I jump on it. Got hurt. But it was fun while it lasted. Wouldn't have done anything with it as I had re-enlisted for the lofty life of a C-130 Navigator. Happens! All that to say this: If you go for it in Spec Ops of any kind, learn about how to take full advantage of the benefits you are due in case you get hurt. It took me too long to get up to speed with it. And there were some hard years. And, knowing you will be cared for gives you that extra little motivation to not worry what will happen to you if you mess up your knees & back, (for instance).
So does every single marine lmfao recon is nothing sorry its a blanket bullshit... If your not a part of socom your a tier three unit nothing special what so ever...
Spent many years in the 75th regiment... Every damn marine says their recon its laughable less then 1% of the marine core is recon.... Do the math cupcake...
I’m getting into the special warfare pipeline I’m finishing up the Airforces commissioning and enlistment background registration site. Completing the Asvab and beginning my journey soon enough. Thank you for the information I love your channel.
@Greedo No but you have to get an AFSW contract and then from what the recruiter told me you’ll go through a specialized basic training and then assigned to a schoolhouse whether that be special recon, tac-p, cct, or pararescue, I don’t know if sere is apart of it.
You know what is interesting about teaching or education on a topic? It's that contrast and comparisons really help to clarify what something is. So I like that this video compares (this versus that type of thing) the two. Comparing is a GREAT teaching tool.
US Army Long Range Surveillance Units (Vietnam War LRRP/LRP) conducted the same mission sets as Force Recon. Although today, the US Army has inactivated all its LRSU's replacing them with UAS (UAV/RPV) most of those soldiers have returned to infantry units. No, not sure if any assessed through RASP or SFAS? To continue serving in that capacity.
I never served in the military and it is too late for me now at 59 years old. I do wear a camelfloge boonie hat I bought at the surplus store for sun protection as I live in the desert. It does not have any military insignia on it at all. I am appreciative that I have the freedom to wear a civilian boonie hat . I love these videos as they inspire me to get into better physical shape and stay in good shape . Thanks to all that serve and have served.
Now, here's a video we all wanted! Some awesome details, 14 minutes, love it! IMO, the USAF SR is a much better deal, quality of life, basing, overall funding and available mission opportunities.
My next door neighbor when I was in high school trained AF SF or some part of it at LRAFB. My dad retired E9 there and I worked out with my neighbor before enlisting myself. I didnt even know they did that. He was veteran of Vietnam as my brothers were. I think somewhere in that time frame he got hooked up with SF in the AF. Im pretty sure the patch they wore was Volant Scorpions. Not sure if they are related to these guys or not.
I dont know. I seen Green Berets before. Each are individual by nature of their jobs which make them all different except for some of the ODAs that conduct missions in teams and squads.
@@USJTAC well BUD/S is only six months, but the SEAL pipeline is about 2 years. They have several other schools and SQT to go through. When you say that AFSOC unit training is 2 years, you are referring to the whole pipeline. The actual AFSOC operator course, and for lack of better words “BUD/s”equivalent, is 15.5 weeks(roughly 3.5 months). This is followed by other schools and their specialized skill set training in the pipeline. Both take around the same amount of time to earn their respective titles and assignment to their SO units.
@@Bravo-Too-Much Yes. That is very true. Most people only associate the first six months of BUD/S as the SEAL training. I want to say that roughly 80-85% of those who make it through BUD/S actually complete the pipeline. I’m not sure of the washout rate. Either way, you made a great point. The SQC is where the SEALS are made. You must earn the trident each and every day.
They are pulling candidates from the Airforce, so yeah. Marine recon pulls from Marines which are trained harder from the beginning. Its like if I pulled Varsity football players all from middle school kids instead of seasoned sophmores etc. Airforce PJ course is hard, but if you ran nothing but Marines or Seal candidates through it they would have a higher passing rate. Seal candidates don’t just pass their respective physical tests but exceed them and them some. So seals are the best of the best candidates and have a lot of training by Seal mentors. This is not saying that PJ course is not hard, but you have to put it in perspective.
I love your videos... so much information I love Recon such a rich history and such service to our country but if I were a young man I would go AF Recon because it's funded by SOCOM all the schools and training is such would be great and challenging especially if you had a goal of trying out for Delta someday....
4th recon is at Kirkland AFB and you forgot part of the pipeline being you have to hold a infantry rifelman MOS 0311 which is 14 weeks at SOI after basic training before going to MART (Marines awaiting recon training) not reffered to RTAP anymore. Good vid 👌
Its amazing great video because people just don't understand just how intelligent and amazing these guys are as a former marine people think we are stupid its the same reason why people believe construction workers my new job are not smart enough its takes a lot of mental energy to be in these units or but up building
you guys should add a video on radio recon to that all things recon folder, the reason I keep asking is because I'm in that community on the army side and I would like too see our community grow, people just dont know about us
Air Force Special Recon and Marine Force Recon are both best of the best deadly silent professional patriotic warriors against all enemies everywhere, the eyes and ears special Recon Operations
I am sharing this with someone who I hope will be able to get the 'eyes and ears' of some other someones. You lay it out so simply. What's that saying, a genius makes something hard easy. You made a somewhat complex structure of the military easy to understand. Now I want to pick your brain - mostly because I am always interested in how people arrive at their interests, how they learn, what were their influences.
Honestly I was a skeptic being a marine but this new method of warfare that's going on I'm seeing what the future holds nice to see the air force is putting out some pipe hitters
I hear that MARSOC's special focus on Special Reconnaissance is what makes them stand out from SF and SEALs, even though they have those capabilities (Much like MARSOC and SF combat Divers have amphibious warfare capabilities, but SEALs take it to the next level and how MARSOC and SEALS have UW capabilities, but GB take it to a higher level) so I was wondering how MARSOC's Special Reconnaissance capabilities compare to USAF Special Recon. Would you mind making a video about that?
I think that's dumb af the USMC has such a low max age requirement, I was in the Marine Corps, then got out and joined the Army reserves, then Army Guard. Never even considered Airforce but in recent years I've researched special recon and CCT and damn...if I was still eligible to serve I'd definitely give it a shot.
I went 2 the Army back in 99, while I was at Ft Benning i met some Pjs,and CCTs. And I really got into the CCT, and I wanted 2 go 2 the AF, after my ets date in the Army. But I sucked at written test 4 the asvab. But I think if the SR, was around, I would of loved 2 do this job, I would of actually studied hard 4 the asvab, but back then they were CWTs. I didn't really care for that field. I wish I could be 19 again
@@christopherhazell420 i got out in 02, but I got back into Djing. I was doing it yeard b4 I joined, and while I was in, I still Djed at afew gigs, and when I got out, started putting alot more time, i did move 2 LA 4 a couple years,and went 2 school 4 under water welding, but I didn't like it that much, so moved back 2 chi
@@azazel21379 ok, glad you have had a successful transition back to civilian life. Ever give thought to going US Army SF? There are ARNG units out your way, 19th SFG (A)
Special Reconnaissance ( SR), Air Force Special Operations Command ( AFSOC) ISR asset, while Marine Reconnaissance is a Expeditionary FMF Amphibious Reconnaissance ISR asset , assigned to the MAGTF ,with a Special Operations Capable ( SOC) dynamic.
You missed something. Recon Marines have to go through Infantry School to become an 0311 first, which is 8 weeks (sometimes they will ask for volunteers from MCT instead, which is 4 weeks long). Infantry School falls between bootcamp and RTAP. Every Marine has to go through basic infantry school, be that MCT or ITB.
@@mattwatts4672 MCT is literally at the School of Infantry. Does that make all Marines infantry? No, of course not. Infantry is infantry, and everyone else has their own job. Grunts train for their job all the time, while the only infantry training that most other MOSs ever receive is MCT. Even still, all Marines do go through basic infantry training, even if they don't practice those skills in their jobs. The Air Force, by contrast, doesn't have any kind of infantry training to speak of.
@PriJos0356 ripping a hundo out of a 240 and 249 then taking a nap under the gazebo at the range isn’t “iNfAnTrY tRaInInG”. POG marines are just in shape civilians that shoot table one once a year if they’re lucky. “Every marine rifle man” is a lie.
@@frankcastle5285 yeah, everyone does everything in SWO, but I feel SR would use sniper more ig? Gotta make it through selection, then I’ll worry about it
@@Ion_Motion0117 For sure bro, my brothers in the CCT pipeline he said that SR is heavily focused on long weapons but he did say he’s see some CCT down range with mk14s
" A Pipeline does not make You an Operator. Experience makes You an Operator"( Eric Martin, RANGER Tabbed 3d Ranger Battalion More Elite Soldier,and, Tik Tok Celebrity).🇺🇸🦅🗽
RECON: Air Force Special Reconnaissance and Marine Corps Amphibious Reconnaissance consist of Special and Elite, Chosen and Unique, World Class Warfighters and Badass Battlefield Shooters and Special Operations Airmen and Marines. Enough Said......!!🇺🇸🦅🗽⚔️
@@tgildersleeve8295 "Anybody"??? I know someone who knows that "woman" and she would beat most guys rear ends. She passed all the same tests, carried packs of the same weight over the same distances in the same allotted time. Her swims were the same as the guys as well. She didn't do flexed arm hangs, she did pull ups the same as the guys.
@@tidefanyankee2428 It must be nice living in an egalitarian fantasy world. We will have a war with a peer or near-peer one day. That will be the true test.
@@tgildersleeve8295 Yes, a peer or near peer would be a true test. What you aren't considering is it's ONE woman....a very, very special woman. I didn't say she was "average" or the "norm". She is FAR outside the norm, just like there are guys who are. Granted, there are more guys who have what it takes, I wouldn't say differently. But if you can't grasp that there are exceptions to the rule then I can't help you. Do you actually believe that every male special operator could compete with Olympic level females? Dream on. I don't disagree about not having women in SOF units, but if they are going to try out, then ALL the standards have to be the same. If they pass, great, but standards should NEVER, EVER be lowered to accommodate females or anyone. So no, I don't live in "an egalitarian fantasy world". She volunteered, she passed. No one has to like it.
Each military services has different mission sets and thus needs specialized battle space information and surveillance needed to pick targets and or alter or prep battle space or anticipate enemy moves. Members of each service are usually best trained and equipped and familiar with their own services weapon systems. Airmen for Air Force, Soldiers for Army, Sailors for Navy, Marines for Marines even Coasties for Coast Guard.
One correction: SOWT was technically a temporary duty assignment, a “special post” if you will for Air Force weathermen, and technically not a special mission unit. It didn’t have its own selection pipeline, etc
No. That is extremely incorrect. From 2009 to the SR-changeover, SOWT had its own selection, pipeline, and OJT. I said ‘it’s own’ - it was shared with CCT. Just the job-specific training, WX and ATC, was separate. SOWTs were fully qualified operators, and had their own AFSC, 1W0X2. Prior to 2009, what you said is… more or less true. Although in the years leading up to the ‘official’ 2009 designation, the pipeline had been solidified. But you did need to be regular WX, whereas after 2009 you could come in ‘off the street.’ Now, there are ‘Battlefield Weather’ or ‘Combat Weather’ teams. These are regular WX Airmen that apply to support conventional Army air and ground units. They attend a short course, BWMQT, in order to learn how to function with an Army unit. It’s nothing special, and they are not SOF in any way, shape, or form. There are a couple Combat Weather Squadrons that have jump-qualified Airmen that, for some insane reason, are authorized to wear the grey beret (with a flash - SOWT/SR wears no flash - and a metal badge that is different from SOWT/SR). It’s bullshit, as all they need to do is go through jump school and be assigned to one of these units in order to rate our beret. So you’ll see fatasses, try-hard women, etc occasionally wearing the grey beret. I believe they’re present in the 3rd, 10th, and 18th Combat Weather Squadrons. CWS Airmen - even the ones with berets - didn’t have anything to do with SOWT/SR after 2009. Prior to 2009, most SOWTs were CWS, jump-qual’d WX Airmen that would volunteer for the training that would permit them to deploy alongside SOF units. Once they completed this training, they would remove the flash from their grey beret, and change out the ‘Combat Weather Team’ badge for the ‘Special Operations Weather Team’ badge.
We hope you enjoy our video on Air Force Special Recon vs. Marine Recon! As always, if you learned something new from this video, make sure to give it a like, and subscribe if you're new! We will see you next Friday. Have a great weekend everyone!
General Discharge. Could you do a video for Marine Recon officers and Special Recon officers?
@@garisonkillingsworth5232 I'll let the experts handle this, but for the time being I can offer what I know. I think that the way the Air Force special warfare officer career fields work is there's a general special warfare officer (SWO) classification for the selection phase and then from there SWO's move on to become either special tactics officers (STO) or combat rescue (CRO). If it's anything like it's been, SR probably falls under the command of STO's. Take what I say with a grain of salt because I'm just a cadet and I can only know what I've heard from older cadets and what I can find online. www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2170844/air-force-creates-new-afsc-for-special-warfare-officers/
Defense Intelligence Agency Video 🤔
Thanks Gen
Can you do a video of the FBI and the CIA, but mainly the FBI becuase there is so much in common.
General Discharge great video I really like the video format and visuals you guys.
The main difference is budget, marines get basically nothing compared to the rest of SOCOM .
Because they refused it
JSOC is different than SOCOM. There’s only 5 units under JSOC.
@@Ash12428 sorry, thanks for correction, Im not American so having so many SOF units doesnt make sense to me, thanks for the help.
@@Chris-qh9zw Im genuinely curious, why would they refuse it?
@@ginger0208 no prob and marines refused it bc their leaders are dumb and they say that all marines are “special” so they didn’t want a spec ops unit. Which is ironic bc now they have a spec ops unit.
Ones ready is the gold mine for all things Air Force Special Warfare
I think Air Force SR is gonna attract a lot of Recon Marines. I left a comment on the Ones Ready channel about how many ST Airmen I’ve seen that were former Recon Marines and they replied saying “there was a big push in the 90s for jump and dive qualified guys to join AF Special Warfare.” I think SR might be the second push
Bro I been seeing everywhere for years at one point I thought u had a channel😂
@Hipster Jihadist considering the same things Justin commented were from the Ones Ready channel, as I've watched those videos as well, is it second hand hear say if actual SR airmen and other Special Warfare operators are saying it? The hosts of Ones Ready are active and former SR, PJs, and CCT, so that is as first hand as it gets.
@Hipster Jihadist The information about Recon Marines going into the Air Force during the 90s was literally given to me by a Ones Ready host, hop off my nuts 😭 holy shit dude that’s weird, it’s like you got some grudge against me
@@jayp4772 thanks man, I knew I wasn’t the only one who trusts Ones Ready info
These AF guys can hold the ground that Marine Recon takes in combat in a real war, then Army can relieve them. Think they can maybe do that.
Do more intelligence vids; really liked the isa and cia vids
They’re literally the best videos ; intelligence units are super interesting
No
Yes like NCIS!! Which is Navy!
I'm a Green Seal Recon Pathfinder.. I approve this message.
@@geekedonxans7795 Yes
Key point for anyone outside of the lingo, when he says "Considered infantry" he means the MOS designator starts with 03.
0321 - Reconnaissance Marine
0372 - Critical Skills Operator
And so forth
kinda. CSO's are SOF
I never clicked on a video this fast
same lmfao 😭
Oh shut up. Beta.
Great video; I've always seen FORCE Recon watching enemy/people movement for conventional leadership and Special Recon studying all elements of the environment (weather, terrain, civilian movement, city layout, etc).
US Marshal's SOG next please
Or
MARSOC vs Army SF
I’ve been saying this for weeks
@@Justin_GFM I like the pfp 😏
Damn I didn’t realize i wasn’t the only one who wanted to see Marsoc vs Army SF
MARSOC vs Army SF is a great idea!!!
or seals vs raiders for those between direct action and foreign defense
Love the new vs style of video, it’s really interesting to see how similar career fields in socom compare. Keep up the good work!
Man..... yall make me want to REENLIST... but I'm 49 lol. Love the info and presentation you guys have for those seeking military info. I'm a Marine and you guys really fairly represent alm the options and badassery every branch has for those hard charges. Im born and raised in SATX and actually had my Corrections MOS classes at Lackland back in 93'. Keep up the great work.
Great video as usual! I'm going to meps this monday for Special Reconnaissance :))
Good luck!
Respect to Air Force SF man you guys spend a long time training. I thought mine took a bit minute but damn
I wish I could hook myself up to an IV and pump these videos into my blood
Interesting compliment, thank you!
Just saw some awesome pics of Recon Marines and Air Force Special Recon training together at the Marines Recon Leaders Course.
Excellent Info! An Air Force Forward Weatherman (as he described himself) and I became aquatinted at Fort Benning during Jump School. He taught me how to use ISO lines on weather maps to help me predict where the biggest surf was when I was in NC.
I was lucky enough to go to RECON school as a non-infantry Marine. I was Motor-T and then became the Water Safety Survival Instructor in 2D ANGLICO. The billet came up and no one wanted it. So I jump on it. Got hurt. But it was fun while it lasted. Wouldn't have done anything with it as I had re-enlisted for the lofty life of a C-130 Navigator. Happens!
All that to say this: If you go for it in Spec Ops of any kind, learn about how to take full advantage of the benefits you are due in case you get hurt. It took me too long to get up to speed with it. And there were some hard years. And, knowing you will be cared for gives you that extra little motivation to not worry what will happen to you if you mess up your knees & back, (for instance).
How would I go about doing that
Loved the video! I’d love to see you do MARSOC vs Army Special Forces!
@TurkeyBaster12 Lol no, MARSOC doesn’t deploy nearly as much as SF
@TurkeyBaster12 SF is literally the king of FID, they get most of the missions when it comes to FID.
@TurkeyBaster12 this is common knowledge. It varies deployment to deployment but SF and Rangers have been getting the most action by far.
My cousin has been in the marines for 13 years I just found out he does recon that’s so cool!
So does every single marine lmfao recon is nothing sorry its a blanket bullshit...
If your not a part of socom your a tier three unit nothing special what so ever...
@@rangere3rd Lmao Who are you to say that?
Spent many years in the 75th regiment...
Every damn marine says their recon its laughable less then 1% of the marine core is recon....
Do the math cupcake...
rangere3rd like reconnaissance marines are not tier 3 or tier 2
Well in order to care what you think i must first value your opinion...
You are not on my former team so take it as you will...
I’m getting into the special warfare pipeline I’m finishing up the Airforces commissioning and enlistment background registration site. Completing the Asvab and beginning my journey soon enough. Thank you for the information I love your channel.
@Greedo No but you have to get an AFSW contract and then from what the recruiter told me you’ll go through a specialized basic training and then assigned to a schoolhouse whether that be special recon, tac-p, cct, or pararescue, I don’t know if sere is apart of it.
@Greedo Thank you for the info man👌🏽
Best military UA-cam channel appreciate the information
Radio Reconnaissance Platoon/Teams would be great
You all should do a video on MARSOC VS Force Recon! Love the videos!!!
I don't care who is better. My care is they protect me. Best to you all in these special forces for you are all heroes.
Ayeee onesready is a great podcast
You know what is interesting about teaching or education on a topic? It's that contrast and comparisons really help to clarify what something is. So I like that this video compares (this versus that type of thing) the two. Comparing is a GREAT teaching tool.
US Army Long Range Surveillance Units (Vietnam War LRRP/LRP) conducted the same mission sets as Force Recon. Although today, the US Army has inactivated all its LRSU's replacing them with UAS (UAV/RPV) most of those soldiers have returned to infantry units. No, not sure if any assessed through RASP or SFAS? To continue serving in that capacity.
can you do the TACP vs ANGLICO since they're also seemed similar
Swift, silent, deadly, just like my farts
Lmao
I never served in the military and it is too late for me now at 59 years old.
I do wear a camelfloge boonie hat I bought at the surplus store for sun protection as I live in the desert. It does not have any military insignia on it at all.
I am appreciative that I have the freedom to wear a civilian boonie hat .
I love these videos as they inspire me to get into better physical shape and stay in good shape . Thanks to all that serve and have served.
Now, here's a video we all wanted! Some awesome details, 14 minutes, love it! IMO, the USAF SR is a much better deal, quality of life, basing, overall funding and available mission opportunities.
It would be cool if you guys covered foreign special operations units. Keep up the good work!
My next door neighbor when I was in high school trained AF SF or some part of it at LRAFB. My dad retired E9 there and I worked out with my neighbor before enlisting myself. I didnt even know they did that. He was veteran of Vietnam as my brothers were. I think somewhere in that time frame he got hooked up with SF in the AF. Im pretty sure the patch they wore was Volant Scorpions. Not sure if they are related to these guys or not.
No that is just security Forces. Pretty much cops
Suggestions: Sappers vs 18C and MARSOC vs Green Berets
I dont know. I seen Green Berets before. Each are individual by nature of their jobs which make them all different except for some of the ODAs that conduct missions in teams and squads.
I’ve been thinking about this so much, thanks for the vid
My recruiter told me I would enjoy Recon since I love to learn and explore, definately going to bring this info back to the recruiter.
I am trying to be SR. I ship off to basic in February and I cant wait to start this new adventure
@Greedo I’m not Superman and neither is anyone I am working with. We are just average dudes with above average work ethic.
How you doing bro? How’s it going in the pipeline
Very insightful. I learned quite a bit here! Thank you for all the hard work in putting this one together!
Thanks for the support, and you're very welcome!
Excellent content; the boys in AF Special Recon dont generally receive such accolades!
YESSSSSSHHHHHH!!! I was waiting all day for this! USAF vet. Love anything about my boys in blue! Especially AFSOC!
It’s worth noting that USAF CCT/PJ/SR have a washout rate of 90%+.
@Gn BUD/S is only six months...CCT/PJ/SR last 2 years.
@@USJTAC well BUD/S is only six months, but the SEAL pipeline is about 2 years. They have several other schools and SQT to go through. When you say that AFSOC unit training is 2 years, you are referring to the whole pipeline. The actual AFSOC operator course, and for lack of better words “BUD/s”equivalent, is 15.5 weeks(roughly 3.5 months). This is followed by other schools and their specialized skill set training in the pipeline. Both take around the same amount of time to earn their respective titles and assignment to their SO units.
@@Bravo-Too-Much Yes. That is very true. Most people only associate the first six months of BUD/S as the SEAL training.
I want to say that roughly 80-85% of those who make it through BUD/S actually complete the pipeline. I’m not sure of the washout rate. Either way, you made a great point.
The SQC is where the SEALS are made.
You must earn the trident each and every day.
They are pulling candidates from the Airforce, so yeah. Marine recon pulls from Marines which are trained harder from the beginning. Its like if I pulled Varsity football players all from middle school kids instead of seasoned sophmores etc. Airforce PJ course is hard, but if you ran nothing but Marines or Seal candidates through it they would have a higher passing rate. Seal candidates don’t just pass their respective physical tests but exceed them and them some. So seals are the best of the best candidates and have a lot of training by Seal mentors. This is not saying that PJ course is not hard, but you have to put it in perspective.
Probably since the physical standards to get the contract are so low
One alibi. You forgot USMC School of Infantry 8 weeks between boot camp and BRC.
Love all your vids, would love to see a 35L counterintelligence video if you’re ever able to get enough information for it!
I love your videos... so much information I love Recon such a rich history and such service to our country but if I were a young man I would go AF Recon because it's funded by SOCOM all the schools
and training is such would be great and challenging especially if you had
a goal of trying out for Delta someday....
GD, much love my brothers keep that sharp info coming. 🤝💪
Will do!
This is really cool, my man, but remember that the Chinese and Russians are ALSO VERY grateful for this analysis as well...
This isn’t helping them lmao you can find all this info on Wikipedia
@@obviouslyhydrated6539 open source intelligence (OSINT) can be useful if added to some larger body of intel. But, your point is taken.
They’ve know about this for years bro
4th recon is at Kirkland AFB and you forgot part of the pipeline being you have to hold a infantry rifelman MOS 0311 which is 14 weeks at SOI after basic training before going to MART (Marines awaiting recon training) not reffered to RTAP anymore. Good vid 👌
Glad I found your channel. Son just joined Recon. Thanks for the info.👍
Its amazing great video because people just don't understand just how intelligent and amazing these guys are as a former marine people think we are stupid its the same reason why people believe construction workers my new job are not smart enough its takes a lot of mental energy to be in these units or but up building
you guys should add a video on radio recon to that all things recon folder, the reason I keep asking is because I'm in that community on the army side and I would like too see our community grow, people just dont know about us
Pffft they hate us here lmao
Some solid facts, nice job bro.
Another requirement for Marine Recon: Thoroughly enjoy being wet, cold, and sandy. And you should be good bro lmfao...
Air Force Special Recon and Marine Force Recon are both best of the best deadly silent professional patriotic warriors against all enemies everywhere, the eyes and ears special Recon Operations
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I am sharing this with someone who I hope will be able to get the 'eyes and ears' of some other someones. You lay it out so simply. What's that saying, a genius makes something hard easy. You made a somewhat complex structure of the military easy to understand. Now I want to pick your brain - mostly because I am always interested in how people arrive at their interests, how they learn, what were their influences.
Marine Recon all the way! One of the fewer...the prouder (0321) 1973...81
Love your channel 🤛🏾
Love this channel
Keep up the great work!
You missed ITB for USMC Recon. After boot camp before BRC
Honestly I was a skeptic being a marine but this new method of warfare that's going on I'm seeing what the future holds nice to see the air force is putting out some pipe hitters
Great video, General. Love, Lt. “Honorably Discharged Early and only gets 10%”
I hear that MARSOC's special focus on Special Reconnaissance is what makes them stand out from SF and SEALs, even though they have those capabilities (Much like MARSOC and SF combat Divers have amphibious warfare capabilities, but SEALs take it to the next level and how MARSOC and SEALS have UW capabilities, but GB take it to a higher level) so I was wondering how MARSOC's Special Reconnaissance capabilities compare to USAF Special Recon. Would you mind making a video about that?
Solid editing. I like the new style.
Great video coverage 💯
My Biggest regret was not Joining the Marines alot sooner. The Deadline being 28years of age while Airforce is 39
I think that's dumb af the USMC has such a low max age requirement, I was in the Marine Corps, then got out and joined the Army reserves, then Army Guard. Never even considered Airforce but in recent years I've researched special recon and CCT and damn...if I was still eligible to serve I'd definitely give it a shot.
Im a dual citizen between Canada and the us, really interested in SR
I'm training for it right now. It's awesome. Check it out!
@@generaljeneral7503 best of luck man!
Being a dual citizen you may have issues with your top secret clearance required for the job
I went 2 the Army back in 99, while I was at Ft Benning i met some Pjs,and CCTs. And I really got into the CCT, and I wanted 2 go 2 the AF, after my ets date in the Army. But I sucked at written test 4 the asvab. But I think if the SR, was around, I would of loved 2 do this job, I would of actually studied hard 4 the asvab, but back then they were CWTs. I didn't really care for that field. I wish I could be 19 again
Well, what are you up to now?
@@christopherhazell420 i got out in 02, but I got back into Djing. I was doing it yeard b4 I joined, and while I was in, I still Djed at afew gigs, and when I got out, started putting alot more time, i did move 2 LA 4 a couple years,and went 2 school 4 under water welding, but I didn't like it that much, so moved back 2 chi
@@azazel21379 ok, glad you have had a successful transition back to civilian life. Ever give thought to going US Army SF? There are ARNG units out your way, 19th SFG (A)
@@christopherhazell420 im 41 gonna be 42 years old. I couldn't do what I did, when I was in my early 20s.
@@azazel21379 🤣 Haha! I hear ya, buddy.
My first unit after A.I.T was the Berlin Brigade...
LOVE THIS CHANNEL
5:20 I recognize that stairwell from a DesertFox airsoft video where he was doing a milsim at that training camp
Were you at Ali asalem AB when desert fox started?
18D vs SARC vs PJ plz!!! Make it happen!!!
Check out the Ones Ready for a video on someone who did that! (Minus USN SAR 😉)
i guess force recon decided they were to good for socom
Ironically here in south korea force recon is actually called special recon haha
Umm funny?
Special Reconnaissance ( SR), Air Force Special Operations Command ( AFSOC) ISR asset, while Marine Reconnaissance is a Expeditionary FMF Amphibious Reconnaissance ISR asset , assigned to the MAGTF ,with a Special Operations Capable ( SOC) dynamic.
Air force security forces RAVEN and DAGRE video please?
The basic training is where it all starts. That is one of the biggest differences.
Loving this one
The words “why” and “multiple units for that” have never been said in the same military command meeting
Military Personnel Section VS Civilian Human Resources
Good one
Great video
You missed something. Recon Marines have to go through Infantry School to become an 0311 first, which is 8 weeks (sometimes they will ask for volunteers from MCT instead, which is 4 weeks long). Infantry School falls between bootcamp and RTAP. Every Marine has to go through basic infantry school, be that MCT or ITB.
Isn't IMC going to replace ITB?
Calling MCT “infantry school” is comical lmao
@@mattwatts4672 MCT is literally at the School of Infantry.
Does that make all Marines infantry? No, of course not. Infantry is infantry, and everyone else has their own job. Grunts train for their job all the time, while the only infantry training that most other MOSs ever receive is MCT. Even still, all Marines do go through basic infantry training, even if they don't practice those skills in their jobs. The Air Force, by contrast, doesn't have any kind of infantry training to speak of.
@PriJos0356 lol what a cope.
@PriJos0356 ripping a hundo out of a 240 and 249 then taking a nap under the gazebo at the range isn’t “iNfAnTrY tRaInInG”. POG marines are just in shape civilians that shoot table one once a year if they’re lucky. “Every marine rifle man” is a lie.
Marines, nuff said. Doing more, with less for so long, we do it better.
Air force doing more faster and better so we got time to sit in our chairs
Only person in my dev group shooting for Special Reconnaissance. Kinda lonely but they said sniper school so I said bet
I think all SW jobs can go to sniper school and ranger school.
@@frankcastle5285 ssshhhh don’t make me reconsider CCT I’m too close to leaving😂
@@Ion_Motion0117 it’s not that hard to swap that SWOE contract is a blessing in disguise.
@@frankcastle5285 yeah, everyone does everything in SWO, but I feel SR would use sniper more ig? Gotta make it through selection, then I’ll worry about it
@@Ion_Motion0117 For sure bro, my brothers in the CCT pipeline he said that SR is heavily focused on long weapons but he did say he’s see some CCT down range with mk14s
I'm so blessed to have so many options. Thanks for the info, GD!
Can you do a video on SOCS for MARSOC
" A Pipeline does not make You an Operator. Experience makes You an Operator"( Eric Martin, RANGER Tabbed 3d Ranger Battalion More Elite Soldier,and, Tik Tok Celebrity).🇺🇸🦅🗽
Sapper vs 18C
Navy SeeBees vs Air Force RedHorses
SOST vs GST
Thank you for the suggestions!
Dope video gents thank u
RECON: Air Force Special Reconnaissance and Marine Corps Amphibious Reconnaissance consist of Special and Elite, Chosen and Unique, World Class Warfighters and Badass Battlefield Shooters and Special Operations Airmen and Marines. Enough Said......!!🇺🇸🦅🗽⚔️
Anybody can make force recon. They have a woman who did it.
@@tgildersleeve8295 "Anybody"??? I know someone who knows that "woman" and she would beat most guys rear ends. She passed all the same tests, carried packs of the same weight over the same distances in the same allotted time. Her swims were the same as the guys as well. She didn't do flexed arm hangs, she did pull ups the same as the guys.
@@tidefanyankee2428 It must be nice living in an egalitarian fantasy world. We will have a war with a peer or near-peer one day. That will be the true test.
@@tgildersleeve8295 Yes, a peer or near peer would be a true test. What you aren't considering is it's ONE woman....a very, very special woman. I didn't say she was "average" or the "norm". She is FAR outside the norm, just like there are guys who are. Granted, there are more guys who have what it takes, I wouldn't say differently. But if you can't grasp that there are exceptions to the rule then I can't help you. Do you actually believe that every male special operator could compete with Olympic level females? Dream on.
I don't disagree about not having women in SOF units, but if they are going to try out, then ALL the standards have to be the same. If they pass, great, but standards should NEVER, EVER be lowered to accommodate females or anyone.
So no, I don't live in "an egalitarian fantasy world". She volunteered, she passed. No one has to like it.
@@tidefanyankee2428 Force Recon is not Marsoc. There is a big difference. She should not have been allowed to try in the first place.
i alwats wanted to know the diffrence thanks!
HOLY SHIT THEY FINALLY GOT RID OF COMBAT WEATHER! Jarred Taylor is gonna be happy
Each military services has different mission sets and thus needs specialized battle space information and surveillance needed to pick targets and or alter or prep battle space or anticipate enemy moves. Members of each service are usually best trained and equipped and familiar with their own services weapon systems. Airmen for Air Force, Soldiers for Army, Sailors for Navy, Marines for Marines even Coasties for Coast Guard.
Sometimes I wish I still had opportunities to try for SR or TACP
Why don’t you?
Why don’t you?
@@power95festered30 because I’ve already retrained once and I’m over ten years. I don’t think AF will allow me to again lol. But I’ll ask
Wished I did this stuff when I was younger!!!! What a career I would of had. O well. I'll enlists my next time around!!🤙😁
I want to join The Space Force Special Ops. You train on interstellar space ships and improved ray guns.
One correction: SOWT was technically a temporary duty assignment, a “special post” if you will for Air Force weathermen, and technically not a special mission unit. It didn’t have its own selection pipeline, etc
No. That is extremely incorrect. From 2009 to the SR-changeover, SOWT had its own selection, pipeline, and OJT. I said ‘it’s own’ - it was shared with CCT. Just the job-specific training, WX and ATC, was separate. SOWTs were fully qualified operators, and had their own AFSC, 1W0X2.
Prior to 2009, what you said is… more or less true. Although in the years leading up to the ‘official’ 2009 designation, the pipeline had been solidified. But you did need to be regular WX, whereas after 2009 you could come in ‘off the street.’
Now, there are ‘Battlefield Weather’ or ‘Combat Weather’ teams. These are regular WX Airmen that apply to support conventional Army air and ground units. They attend a short course, BWMQT, in order to learn how to function with an Army unit. It’s nothing special, and they are not SOF in any way, shape, or form. There are a couple Combat Weather Squadrons that have jump-qualified Airmen that, for some insane reason, are authorized to wear the grey beret (with a flash - SOWT/SR wears no flash - and a metal badge that is different from SOWT/SR). It’s bullshit, as all they need to do is go through jump school and be assigned to one of these units in order to rate our beret. So you’ll see fatasses, try-hard women, etc occasionally wearing the grey beret. I believe they’re present in the 3rd, 10th, and 18th Combat Weather Squadrons.
CWS Airmen - even the ones with berets - didn’t have anything to do with SOWT/SR after 2009. Prior to 2009, most SOWTs were CWS, jump-qual’d WX Airmen that would volunteer for the training that would permit them to deploy alongside SOF units. Once they completed this training, they would remove the flash from their grey beret, and change out the ‘Combat Weather Team’ badge for the ‘Special Operations Weather Team’ badge.
@@I_am_not_a_dog Agreed. I remember the sowts and ccts running together in the early pipeline
Holy Jesus, thats so cool video
How about doing human exploitation teams, SOAR flight medics, and/or civil affairs medical sgt?
Best video
Can u do a video on AF OSI?
Have you done a video on pathfinders? I've probably watched it if you have but, if not that would be a cool video.
The US Army no longer has Pathfinder units. Although a history video would be informative.
If your doing recon perhaps the Canadian pathfinders
The intro is fire 🔥