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A Reusable Chinese Stainless Steel Rocket in 2025?
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- As one of the leading Chinese commercial launch companies, Landspace is currently operating the medium-lift methalox-fueled Zhuque-2, and plans to roll out the heavy-lift Zhuque-3 rocket. The latter is a partially reusable rocket with similar specifications to SpaceX's Falcon-9, and could represent one of the first "Chinese Falcon 9s" to be available.
While there are strong ressemblances between the two rockets, the Zhuque-3 has some differences, including the choice of propellant (methane), materials used (stainless steel), and its rocket booster recovery approach.
In this episode, we deep dive into these topics, while also going over the history of Landspace. Enjoy!
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00:00 Introduction
00:17 Landspace's Beginnings
02:06 The First (Failed) rocket: the Zhuque-1
03:32 All-in on Liquid-fueled Rockets
4:03 the Medium-lift Zhuque-2 & How it's Different
5:33 Landspace's own Launch Site
7:21 the Reusable Stainless Steel Zhuque-3
10:12 Recovering Rockets on Land!
11:18 Perspectives for 2024 and 2025
If Landspace was competing against Boeing in a race to make a Falcon 9 equivalent rocket, I would bet on Landspace
It depends on how fast their engineers could translate the stolen designs.
@@texaswunderkind Stolen designs? From whom? If that were the case, LandSpace would have fully functioning launch vehicles putting hardware into space right now. Amazing how losers always use the excuse that their competitors are "cheating" or "stealing". A lot of China's technologies don't even have equivalents or analogs in the West unless they found a way to travel into the future and "stole" it from that time.
@@texaswunderkind Is there any evidence for them having stolen designs? For example why don't they build a copy of Falcon 9 but are using stainless steel?
@@texaswunderkind::: including the suicidal MCAS and unbolted doors. Yeah, American tech is the greatest exceeded only by their supremacy ego.
@@texaswunderkindextreme copium, huh?
It's crazy to see all of these companies appear out of nowhere and start to revolutionize the Chinese space landscape. Can't wait to see what they make in the future and how far they go
in the usa if you want to put a cell tower you need federal license etc... permission of building owner, municipal ...blah blah blah. In china if the government wants to put a cell tower on your building they tell you when they are coming to install it. :) in china i was watching tv on my phone in 2002. they can do anything in less time.
@@user-px2sn8pr5t Nice propaganda post, troll bot. China does everything faster. And then does it again because the first one collapsed and killed 12 people. Then does it again because the toxic smoke surrounding their cities is disrupting signals. Then waits for their spies to steal the latest design from western firms.
I can. Itll be a 3rd the price, half as stable, and 10 times as dangerous.
@@user-px2sn8pr5tthat "blah blah blah" attitude is exactly why nobody wants to live in china, but do business there. Thats why you have millions of concrete apartments completely devoid of life.
Chinese companies are so extremely competitive.
Nice to see information on international space programs, particularly China. This is an area that most American mainstream broadcast and internet/youtube streamers seem to ignore.
Mainstream American media companies also ignore the Chinese boosters landing on villages and destroying buildings. Expect zero transparency from the state-controlled Chinese propaganda networks.
ignore intentionallly
SpaceX launches from four sites (Vandenberg, Kennedy, Canaveral and Boca Chica) and also lands a number of its rockets, including the Starship prototypes on landing pads. One of yesterday's three launches did that, and the other two landed on floating platforms. Thanks for the video. I wish Landspace every success. I think that they are the first people to launch a Methalox rocket into orbit successfully. Well done! Nojody can take that achievement away from them.
Appreciate the updates on Chinese progress on commercial launch systems. The next decade will be amazing.
Thanks Peter!
China has the industrial capacitity to have SEVEN companies making analogs to the falcon 9, let that sink in.
China steals all their technology, their economy is collapsing and there population is declining rapidly because their are not enough women due to the 1 child policy they had.
Unfortunately China is on the decline.
@@tclanjtopsom4846you are just jealous and envious, technology is for everyone not only for the west
@@tclanjtopsom4846 why do you say "Unfortunately"? Don't act like you dont hate chinese people dude.
@@tclanjtopsom4846 Their population is 1.4 billion and by 2050, the projection is 1.3 billion, hardly a huge or rapid decline. Also, keep in mind China graduates 600,000 engineers per year compared that to 70,000 per year in the US.
I mean the US startup space for launch services is no slouch either. We have blue origin, rocket lab, firefly, stoke and relativity space. All these companies are either trying to improve on falcon 9 or looking forward and trying to compete with starship.
Finding a new dongfang upload is a pleasure,... always loaded with new information. 👍👍
Duuuuude video quality now clearly level with Vox, your progress is insane
i hope you post more frequently this year, jean! great episode
Great video!
Excellent focused and concise content on Landspace.
Am a bit surprised they will 'attempt' a boaster landing on the maiden launch. (8:23) Seems they're looking at the opportunity to collect as much engineering test data as possible. SpaceX did similar with it's early Falcon 9 development, with landing targets being just a target in the ocean. (no legs, working up to hover, splash down/RUD)
IMO: It's very strategic and pragmatic that Landspace is developing their own launch complex infrastructure. Launch infrastructure tends to be complex from an electrical/mechanical perspective. Supporting such a large fleet of rockets at the official launch facility adds even more complexity, plus unknowns. Pre-maiden rockets require lots of engineering verification time at the pad, so having no schedule conflicts is a huge advantage.
The big advantage for Landspace over SpaceX is that SpaceX has proven with the F9 is that landing the first stage works. So many said it was impossible.
@@favesongslist NASA pioneered the technology in the 1990s with the DC-X program. What SpaceX did was to prove the economic viability of reusable rockets.
Perfect video with a lot interesting informations. Thank you.🙏👍
(Greetings from europe)
They need a better name…”Landspace” sounds like a real estate company, not a good sector in China right now. Great video quality! I also enjoyed the comment “where stainless steel really shines…”😂
Apparently direct translation of their name is “Blue Arrow Aerospace Technology”. In my opinion sound way cooler.
Same with Ispace actual name being “Interstellar Glory”
Haha, no pun intended 😁
Ohh that makes much more sense, Blue Arrow will be Lan Jian in Pinyin, so land space is kinda close phonetically. Kinda.
中国的，~箭~是火箭的箭，意思是蓝色的火箭，是你翻译错误
@@JFL-lp4en 🙄”Landspace” 不是我翻译的。这是他们公司自己选的英文名字
can't wait to see the VTVL-2 in June and maiden flight of Tianlong-3
Can’t agree more 🙂
Well, it flew.. earlier than intended, which is quite unusual for a new rocket.
I love this channel. Its so hard to find any decent information on launchers from China.
Having a reusable first stage will make the land locked launch sites safer because instead of the uncontrolled crashes of current rocket first stages, they can either return to the launch site or at least to other landing pads further along the launch trajectory.
I really do wonder when we will see some serious plans by Chinese private space companies that intend to do space missions. Like landers and rovers to the Moon, missions to Venus and Mars etc, like Rocket Lab, Intuitive Machines and Impulse Space.
Great to see your video again, been waiting for a while! Also, I saw a video on China military channel on UA-cam, it’s in Chinese so don’t know what it means but it’s in green logo), but they showed testing on what looked like electric thrust engine for the space station, can you do a quick video on that please?
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Love the channel, love the content, go team space!!!
Very interesting times ahead. Look forward to seeing these plans coming into fruition.
I wonder if Landspace will offer their launch sites to the competition for a price.
I'd vote to Space Pionner, It's unbelievably fast. Would see them launching F9 level rocket in next 120 days. 1.5 year faster than Land Space. A heavy blow to all rest Chinese commercial companies
They already decided to delay their launching plan until July, so it should be next 150 days.
Space Pioneer aren’t trying to do recovery attempt in their first few launch. I heard they are doing it on their fifth launch (which probably will be next year). Personally I am gonna go extreme route and bet on Deep Blue Aerospace which will actually attempt recovery late this year.
That's a good point @razlau, for sure if they succeed in July 2024, then they are definitely and definitively ahead of all their domestic competition.
I'm just a bit cautious with Space Pioneer's announcements, I remember in 2020 when they said that the maiden launch of the Tianlong-2 would be at the end of 2020. And then this shifted to 2021, then 2022, then 2023... Maybe this is the Chinese equivalent of "Elon time" 😁
@@KVP424 In terms of who gonna be the first to recovery the rocket, Yes, IMO DBL would be the first. However the lift of Nebula-1 is 7 times lower compare to TL-3. which means the cost/ kg to LEO would be more expensive than TL-3. The TL-3 would have price advantage even without reusing of the rockets.
@@DongfangHour IMO maiden launch at Sep ~ Oct of 2024 is much more realistic. April to complete the first stage hotfire test and 6 monthes to prepare the launch.
Excellent report and video 👍👍👍👍
really good material - well spoken, great to listen, factual with no parabolic hype-building contend / I turned on notifications
Thanks for your kind words Maciej (and for your support as a channel member!)
Awesome video, love it
SpaceX isn't launching every other week. There were almost 100 launches last year; almost twice per week. They are planning to launch 146 Falcon 9 launches this year; almost one every other day. They had three simultaneous missions flying on 4th March 2024. The goal is for 200 launches in 2025.
You’re absolutely right, I actually had “every week” in my script but it somehow came out as “every other week”. And as you pointed out, every week is already an understatement of the current launch frequency…
Lol, you can get responses from Chinese company CEOs eh? What's the bait? That you're an "unbiased" host from the "free world" seeking to "understand" China? Lol, these Chinese companies need to wise up soon. You don't get to partner with "free world" "journalism" to play your cheaply conceived good cop bad cop routine
hes back
Remember chinese are first invent the rocket
I am surprise you were able to get a hold of Landspace. I thought they were rather difficult to get into contact with. For non Chinese anyway.
Dongfeng hour is probably the few, if not then only channel that will give Chinese launch companies a fair shake, without the western chauvinism, racist connotations, deliberayte misrepresentations and baiting.
@@gelinrefira Well put, Gelin.
Can you talk about the company that says they plan to build a rocket that can send 30T to LEO like next year? Or realistic is this
If one is going to post propaganda, why not shoot for the stars? China's space program thus far is mostly copies of old Soviet spacecraft.
Satellite internet where half of the sites are not accessible seems like a though sell. Unless they manage to undercut spaceX by a lot
LTNC... welcome back.
If you can, we can too
China has plan for launch over 100 Rocket in this year.
competition is good
great video!
No, you'd better not assume 19 types of commercial liquid rockets, because only several will be ready by 2025 and the most capable ones will survive after competition. And you cannot assume there is only one launch pad for commercial liquid rockets (true for 2024) at the Hainan Commercial Launch Site.
I agree with you on both points, but let's say that only 5 out of the 19 rockets types survive. That's still quite a low launch frequency (3 launches/rocket type/year).
I also agree that further commercial launchpads will be necessary and likely be constructed in the coming years. But as there have been no announcements on these for now, so I think we're looking at the Hainan Commercial Launch Center as the sole launchpad for commercial liquid-fueled rockets for at least the forseeable 2-3 years (except for Landspace and Space Pioneer, for the reasons mentioned in the video) 🤔
@@DongfangHour Multiplication rule is false here, you need an operational science brain. When the top four capable commercial liquid rockets have successfully delivered payloads to orbit, the later and less capable rockets (than Tianlong-3 and Zhuque-3) can hardly get contracts. For 2024 and 2025, several launches per rocket type per year will be a quite tight schedule for each company to improve its launch vehicle, e.g. partial recovery. And building new launch pad infrastructure is always faster than the development/upgrade of launch vehicles.
excellent report 🙏
Thanks!
I hope within this year China will be able to recover rocket after lift up. All it needs is the recovery sites.How long it takes to reach the space and how long it takes to fall back vertically and during that time how far the launching site should be based upon Earth's rotation during that time frame.
Buen video!
VERY DEEP RESERCH, THANK U❤
I like it they are powerful and intelligent
Thank you for your informative video🙏👍🙏
Thanks
What purpose do these rockets serve ?
I wonder if Landspace could build their own launch pad at other location. Only having it be in Jiuquan seems limiting. I kinda hope they might be able to build one more near the equator?
Like Malaysia?
Malaysia would the best option for now..
@@khairuddinabrahmanrahman7025 Perhaps, same goes for all other Asian countries near equator. Thailand could be another choice, since as it stand it is the only South East Asian country to be part of Chinese ILRS program. While farther away from equator than Malaysia (though not by much), Chinese government and company might want to work more with country that is already part of their space cooperation program.
But who will truly knows what will happen in the future.
True , Malaysia has been invited to join ILRS and DSEL and at the moment they will join the basic level of the ILRS..However considering they are quite close to CNSA and CGWIC/CALT targeting for Sea Launch either on West Malaysia or East Malaysia, the launch cost would be cheaper by 30% compared with launches in China. China has rejected Thailand and Indonesia is prone to earthquake and calamity..with Malaysia having the necessary components and semiconductor for assemblying of the Rockets...leaving only Malaysia as the best option available@@KVP424
@@KVP424Malaysia is not starting from zero, as the country already supplies printed circuit board interfaces for space applications.
They can do it
I keep mishearing you as saying 'juche' 주체 and I picture a different rocket program. 😅
SpaceXing-Ling...Congratulations, perfect copy of SpaceX 🤣🤣🤣
Isn’t good to have competition?
what's the engine at 3:53?
I think that's TQ11（Ten-ton liquid methane and liquid oxygen)
Kino
Elon had a choice … he could have developed an upgraded Falcon 9 with 9 Raptors. This upscaled enlarged Meth-lox Falcon 9 would have increased payload from 20 tons to 50 tons with lower development cost & risk and shorter schedule than the starship. But Elon is going for economy of scale (size) and a reusable 2nd stage for the best cost per pound to orbit.
In 2025 China is proposing to launch a Falcon 9 equivalent using meth-lox engines. I expect China to launch a follow on generation with 2 or more strap-on boosters and a reusable upper stage 5 years from now. This will quickly get them close to starship performance in delivery cost per payload pound
China could restructure the way people invest savings for their retirements. Instead of overly pumping up real estate bubbles with family savings looking for a place to invest, China could find projects that have long term benefits and give people ownership/bond shares with non spectacular returns but guaranteed safe returns on investments. For example, a trillion dollar infrastructure project to turn western desert into farmland but takes 20 years. The satellite communication network is another example.
Things I'm excited to see coming out of China in the coming years, humanoid robots, reusable rockets, particle accelerator chip making machine, maybe joint China/Russian nuclear power planet on the Moon for future colonies, and many others I can't think of right now.
China and Russia have formed a lunar consortium, "International Lunar Research Station"; with invitations to other nations that want a presence on the Moon.
Beginning in 2030 with unmanned landers, the base includes what appear to be "Stirling"-style nuclear powered generators.
Check out the base promo videos on YT and, of course, the Dong Fang Hour.
Why it has to be stainless steel. I bet there are something even better and cheaper innovative material out there if you look hard enough.
ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL FOR CHINA’s SPACE PROGRAM AND TEAM CHINA ALL THE WAY!👍🙏🐲🐉🙂
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Thanks!
Thanks for supporting the channel, Frank 🙏🏻
Key word, "engine can be purchased off the shelves". There you go, no innovation here!
Am I the only one who can't recognize the names of the things in his speech?
Still more progress than blue origin
SpaceX is probably a decade or so ahead. Once Starship becomes active we are talking several decades. All these other companies can try to copy SpaceX but that’s tough to do at a high level of engineering.
If we go by the speed at which Chinese companies tmand the CNSA are catching up, they will be 5-8 years away from something similar to starship once it actually works.
So Stainless steel (9:30) was first used on 1960s Atlas rockets and later on 1980s ULA Centaur Upper stages!
Therefore, SpaceX is decades behind ULA (or copycats).
That must make your teeth grind, SpaceX FanBoy!
Looking at this one company and not all the other development programs by other Chinese companies, Landspace could launch a reusable 1st stage rocket equivalent to SpaceX’s early Falcon 9 performance by the end of 2025. By 2027, Landspace could be launching dozens of upgraded Falcon 9 equivalents annually. No doubt Landspace will be developing a starship equivalent as soon as they get big funding after successfully launching their falcon 9 equivalent. We could see a Landspace starship equivalent in 2028-9.
@@davidstevenson9517 stop calling like that, even all the chinese private rocket companies are spaceX fanboys
spacex has 4 launch sites and one more there building for the space force
The U.S. Dept. of Defence has controled 80% of NASA for over 40 years.
Wonder how many Falcon 9's would be in China, if they were easy to transport? 😂
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Did they make the rocket less pointy so it wouldn't be too scary for the Americans?
Perhaps less scary for American men but more attractive to American women.
Psychological counter-intelligence from a Freudian level.🇺🇸👱♀️❤🚀🇨🇳👌
@@davidstevenson9517 I was making a reference to a scene in the movie "The dictator"
no, they are just copying spacex rocket nose cone
While very little true innovation comes out of China, it is fascinating to witness their ability to closely follow in the wake of others.
Well well well, the Chinese has arrived. They might be as dominating as in NEV too..
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Somehow Stainless Steel and made in China don’t go together.
seems to me that all chinese private launch companies are also SpaceX fanboys
The investors are SpaceX fan boys. That’s why the private rocket companies who need investor funding cater to that audience by overly imitating the look of SpaceX
Maybe china will have an original thought for once and stop copying everything America does. So sick of it
x-SpaceX employees, and state-sponsored research
Looks like space x have transferred the technology to china😂
Wake me up when they start using a plastic rocket.
You must be dozing while waiting all these months for another Starship to launch to yet another spectacular failure, Rip van Dennis.
I'll be setting my alarm. Yawn!🕚🛏🚀💥🇺🇸
Ditto @dbreardon., this channel does useful work., sharing stories we otherwise wouldn't hear from Western MSM.
Fear of failure and jealousy infects the West, and our media dare not contradict the anti-China bias.
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China rocket 🤔sound good but I Don, t believe if is going to the moon l😂😂😂😂
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now what has your comment to do with the video?
@jf7009 - solidarity and passion in China becoming a space-faring nation; and the CSS becoming an ISS
@@gotmilk91 you mean the Hamas wanting to genocide Israel?
It’ll be interesting to see if these companies can pull off a semi reusable orbital rocket. Presumably they would be able to undercut SpaceX due to much lower labour costs.
This is quite probable
why not have a floating launch pad in the near ocean???
I believe it is in R&D stage.
There is. Check out Jan. 21 Dong Fang Hour report on the launch of a private solid fuel rocket, Gravity-1, from an offshore ship.
DFH points out that previous launches have all been inland for security reasons.
As we all know, China now has a vast navy to protect their shores from foreign invasion; e.g. during the 1901 "Boxer" rebellion against foreign occupation, the United States landed 8,000 marines and marched on Bejing to relieve besieged Western Legations (Japan sent 20,000 marines).
China no longer fears foreign invasion and more sea-launch (landing?) vessels will follow.
Ship based launches are logistically more complicated, especially for liquid fueled rockets. Also the satellite payloads take some looking after when away from a land based launch site as integration has to take back earlier
Investment banker becoming a rocket CEO is pretty wild. I get that most of his job is raising funding for his company. It is still a pretty big jump. Glad he is doing good instead of evil
Lockheed & Boeing are such great acts of grifting.
So you wish!
Copy SpaceX much??? Just come up with your own ideas, stop stealing others'.
Stop using English you copied from the others!!!
Ditto! Ditto!
Landspace really obviously are big, big fans of SpaceX from the slavish way they copy their Falcon 9 rocket.
They are wise to follow SpaceX as the only company so far that got reusing the 1st stage work.
I wish both Landspace and SpaceX much success for the future.
Evidently, Elon Musk has been a source of inspiration for many entrepreneurs in China's private aerospace sector, with him being regarded as a role model and a benchmark to surpass
КНР впереди планеты всей этой 🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍🇨🇳👍
Low bugdet rocket Hobbyists in home garage making better rockets
copy paste space X
Stop using English you copied from the others!!!
Ditto!
It's funny how 10 to 15 years after the west invents something China comes out with something similar. They are renowned for stealing technology which is pathetic as they are smart enough to invent their own stuff.
The ccp is happy to steal technology but they will always be a decade behind at least because of this.
This rocket is identical to the reusable origin ones that have been around for a decade.😂😂😂
SpaceX is so revolutionary even the Chinese want it. That's powerful.
Chinese gunpowder was so revolutionary that Western Europe wanted it. That's more powerful.
(And silk, paper, paper money, printing, abacus calculating machine, Bureaucracy, rockets, cannon, firearms, innoculation, earthquake detectors, water-tight compartments in ships...)
@@davidstevenson9517 china no longer innovates, all this stuff 100s of years old.
I think what Musk is really thinking is "Bear with these idiots and give me some time for my friends and like-minded people to find a better planet!"
Well, adios!
Step 1: Steal ideas from SpaceX.
Step 2: ????
Step 3: ????
Step 4: PROFIT
Elon Musk can build it, so can China.
Parasitic billionaires like elon musk do not build anything. They tell people to build the thing and they suck up the profits.
Copy cat copy cat sitting on a door mat
India didn't invent the rocket, basically copied everything.
Stop using English you copied from the others!!!
@@downtomars6268 They didn't copy the "Karma Sutra"!👨🚀👩🚀💓🚀🛰
India didn't invent the rocket, copied everything.
Your english language is also copy from others. Jealous Indian
This is where the chinese will fail to compete with the us companies.You cant build the same engine as the raptor if its not available for you to copy😂 unlike a tesla vehicle.The performance of a raptor engine is unbelievable .
Or they can get help from Russia to build raptor competitor. Russia have the tech but don't have funding and the need to do so. But China have funding and the need
@@KMASIF-mi9yj very true 🌝
Stop using English you copied from the others!!!
@@kanlu5199 ????
@@KMASIF-mi9yj as if russia have the technical knowhow to build raptor competitor?
Chinese innovations copycatting!! 😳