A few things I forgot to mention in the video: - Group up mobs tightly in dungeons so everyone’s AOE attacks can hit all of them easily. Wiggle around a bit to pull the mobs closer together - PLD and GNB can use their invulns as another mitigation in dungeons. You can do this at the start so it’s back up again towards the end. WAR/DRK get tricky if the healer keeps healing you when you use it. Feel free to tell them you plan on using it before the pull. Feel free to save it for an emergency if you’re unsure - Tank stance turns off when you get level synced down, remember to turn it back on when you get in the instance - Ranged attack generates more agro than other normal attacks - You can and should be giving mit/shields/heals to squishy party members as needed if they're in trouble (TBN, oblation, corundum, aurora, intervention, nascent) - Make sure a tank is always first in agro (“A” next to their name in party list) if both tanks die you have to provoke when you get back up to get the boss back. It’s likely slapping a dps in the meantime, so be quick - It’s good practice to turn your stance on after your opener as the off tank, tanks should always be 1 & 2 in agro in case the main tank dies or if there are two busters on agro 1 & 2 (typically a Savage mechanic) - If you want to get into extreme, savage, or ultimate on tank just watch a guide on the fight beforehand and make sure you know your rotation and mitigation like the back of your hand. Jump in there and give it a shot! Let me know if there’s anything else I forgot!
For the level sync stance thing, this is why I have a greeting macro I click at the start of every dungeon: /p Lali-diddly-ho neighborinos! /ac "Iron Will" /ac "Defiance" /ac "Grit" /ac "Royal Guard" /wait 1 /ac "Iron Will" /ac "Defiance" /ac "Grit" /ac "Royal Guard" This will make sure that, whether your stance was on or not before, it's on now; turning stance on is a 2s cd, turning it off is a 1s cd, so if the macro turned it on in the first round, it's still on cooldown after the /wait 1, but if the first set turned it off then it'll turn right back on. And you never have to actually remember to do it, as long as you're polite and click your Hello macro!
From about 23:35 to 24:05 when explaining the colour of the enmity indicator in the enemy list, for some reason you worded it weirdly, probably just in the moment. You made it sound like for a tank the gem works inversely to the dps perspective (as in it changing colour from red towards green means you're "about to" lose aggro when it reaches green), when in reality for a tank any colour except solid red means that this mob is already hitting someone else instead of you and you need to pick it up with your aoe or provoke/ranged attack.
Level 80 tomestone gear is better than anything between 80-90, same for the new 90-100 tomestone gear. So remember to keep up with that, folks. It's cheap and easy to afford them, just do your roulettes
Fun fact, some Alexander Raids actually have a tank swap mechanic in normal, but with the ilvl that most people had when unlocking then they can ignore with a few CDs and a help of the healer
Find a friend who is a good tank and ask them to run with you. If you are on Aether I can do some runs with you and give you advice in real time on how to improve. Showing you specific advice on cd management and how to pull packs optimally and positional stuff. I've done this for lots of my friends and they all drastically improve very quickly to the point where they are comfy tanking on their own in all casual to midcore content. A Tank main who can also heal is best for this since they can cover for any mistakes while learning.
@@danielbeattie9509 that's very sweet but i really don't have the time between my job and other things, plus i play in a europe server so i guess it would have been impossible anyway
Honestly the first thing you should be telling new players regardless of roles is to do the Hall of Novice duties. The game literally walks you through the basics of what to do in a dungeon with a party depending on the role you picked, and you can run all Novice duties on a single character provided you’ve level the right classes to 15. There is absolutely zero reason to skip hall of Novice even though it’s a side quest. It’s right outside of Aleport in the Limsa location. People should get comfortable with basics before tackling the more advanced stuff especially if you feel stressed or nervous. Once you get basics down and are comfortable 99.9% of people will leave you alone about your tanking in base game content. Outside a friendly reminder to turn on tank stance.
Also if you have played the job for a bit and got a good understanding you doing have the read the text word for word. You’ll probably stream through it just knowing what to do.
Hand down the best rank guide I’ve seen and I’ve been searching lol. Thanks for this, I’m relatively new to MMOs in general and the detail about strategies was incredibly helpful. 🤘🏻
I think something very valuable is setting up a hotbar next to the party list and adding macros for each and every party member for your sharable mitigations. It has improved my tank game by a ton by not only using my mitigations on myself and the cotank. You want to make it a macro so that you don't have to detarget the boss and click in the partylist to do your mitigations. Since I made my tank hotbars have these macros for sharable mitigations I cannot even count how many times I've saved scuffed PF runs of savage raids or just general gameplay. My biggest tip for anyone serious about tanking is to set up a hotbar like that and become more active about mitigating your healers or dps instead of yourself for aoe's and other mechanics. Your healers will love you and you will be surprised by how often you can spam these mitigations.
@@99_Vit Exactly. With TBN and setting up your burst with full mana and tbn proc it's even easier to get tbn to break when putting it on a fragile dps or healer on raidwides or mechanics that do damage.
I feel like I have a decent amount of this knowledge but, I honestly just decided to watch the whole thing because I've been really enjoying your videos! Keep it up dud
just a side-note: it is very difficult to be so undergeared as a tank to lose aggro if you are hitting the mobs - if you properly aoe the packs with tank stance on, your weapon would need to be around 20 levels (or somewhere around 150-300 ilvl) lower than the minimum ilvl of the dungeon to be running into aggro issues, meaning the armor game would need to be popping off in order for you to meet MIL requirements, but not keep aggro.
This. If you are too low ilvl the dungeon just won't let you in. That Tank was either not rotation right, not mitigating properly, irl distracted or a combination of thosr.
Great video again! Good advice and tips. Fairly new to tanking, but I have moved my Target % and Focus Target bars down from the top of my hud to just above my cross hotbars so I can be sure I am the target and can check % quickly. Moving the enemy list, target progress bar and my debuff (status info enfeeblements) closer to my hotbars also has been a huge help. Now to get through the anxiety and start taking on harder dungeons and pulls.
hello! Tank main here since 1.0. A note on 21:39 ; this is the correct way to pull with ranged or voke however you only need one per mob pack. Mob packs are tied together with lines you can see. when you voke or ranged attack one all the mobs in that chain will aggro to you. So, you can use ranged attack as you are going in then aoe. Or Voke then aoe. No need to use both. I find its better to save voke in case while you are pulling a mob falls behind and aggos a dps then you can quickly voke that mob and keep going. Those lines are also the reason some tanks get mad. If a dps pulls early all the mobs in that pack aggro them and the tank needs to aoe to pull them off the dps which can make it a bit annoying but overall thats your job! I usually just pop sprint so I'm always in front grabbing that initial aggro of the mob pack.
Sometime to note is the range on voke is much further than your ranged attack. Plus its off the GCD so you can voke to grab all there attention and as they run at you you can instantly use your AOE since you don't have to wait for the GCD. It depends on how the mobs are spaced most of the time. Also tanks getting mad is weird because a simple AOE picks all adds up instantly. The only time I would be mad as a tank is if they ran away from me instead of to me with the adds. If they get aggro and bring it in the pack they will instantly get picked up regardless. Although to be honest its rare to find a healer or dps in a dungeon that wants to go faster then me.
@danielbeattie9509 Yup I agree it's strange to get upset about that but it happens. Voke is farther and faster so I use voke and ranged interchangeably. Like you said the benefit of voke is its not a gcd so you can instantly hit your aoe after and it's longer range.
@@danielbeattie9509 "Also tanks getting mad is weird because a simple AOE picks all adds up instantly." I *ABSOLUTELY F*^$ING HATE* when dps pull this crap. Especially when they then say "I was doing you a favor!" I've never seen adds group up normally when a dps is beelining it back and expecting me to make up for their stupid. One of them will get an auto off, stop for a second, and then run in behind everything else, or there's ranged attacks (there's ALWAYS ranged attacks), or they'll try to tank until the rest of the party catches up. If I, the tank, was not already in front of you, it's because SOMEONE ELSE DID SOMETHING STUPID TOO and I had to hang back to fix it! The only time I will pull ahead of a tank, and the only time I understand when people do it to me, is when a buff is about to run out and the whole damn rotation is at stake. The worst, most toxic asshat I've ever seen was a Black Mage in Lost City of Amdapor. I would use sprint after each w2w, he would run normally for a bit... then teleport to me, use his own sprint so it lasted longer than mine, and use BLM range to pull the mobs ahead of me. Why, I could not possibly tell you. And when I asked him to stop doing that, he told me to pull faster. ....My brother in christ, MOTHERF*&^ING HOW WOULD I POSSIBLY DO THAT?!? They then kicked me from the party for daring to question them.
@@SapphireDragon357 Sounds like cope from you. All i hear is its everyone's fault but your own. I'm a tank main and I pull for tanks all the time as DPS/heals and do shit like pop arms lengths to slow them all while bringing them directly back into the middle of the stacked pack. BLM needs to be ahead to precast or they aren't doing there job with doing as much damage as possible. I would be pissed as a tank if the dps were not actively putting out as much damage as possible or having mobs mostly dead by the time they get caught up to me because that is how you do it efficiently. It seems like you need to change your perspective and stop blaming others and instead think about your own actions. Plus regardless even if the dps shouldn't be pulling for you you can't control them and just sound petty if you complain or refuse to take hate back. If you are getting kicked that means its a majority of people that disagree with you in that dungeon.
Cheers from Brazil! This guide is super amazing, should we call it the holy Bible of tanking? Is soo completed and easy to understand! I have 15 years experience of tanking in others games, but aways there's new things to learn! Thanks for the effort, amazing job.
If you aren’t vibing with warrior then you can always try other tank jobs. Also I find Hard Trails are chump change. And help you get used to managing a boss. Also no harm in going to leveling below 50 dungeons to practice the basic. If you need some “real world” pratice.
My recommendation on dungeon mitigations is to start with your two 90 second ones for the first pack, on the second pack lead with your 2 minute and then arm's length after that ends, and have some proper cycling of your short mitigations and healing along the way, this applies to pulling wall to wall which for almost every dungeon past HW is literally two groups before you get gated before a boss. So for GNB for example... Rampart (90) -> Heart of Corundum/Aurora at any point -> Camouflage (90) + Reprisal(60) once Rampart ends. That's enough for one pack, move to the next. Nebula (120) - Heart of Corundum/Aurora at any point -> Arm's Length (120) + Reprisal (60) once Nebula ends, second packs tend to be a lot beefier and with this cycle your other 90 seconds are back up to use just in case you end up needing anymore. Works for PLD and WAR as well, though War rarely needs much. You need adjustment with DRK though as it lacks a 90 second cooldown, it's best to use your invuln as much as you can and communicate with your healer that you'll do it. Its short CD is very strong though and negates more damage than the others do so you may not need it. I do recommend using Invulns are your own discretion but this flat cycle applies to most situations. You'll eventually figure out what dungeons you need to plan things out more as 90% of dungeons in game are just hallways with two packs per pull, they almost don't need any proper planning or use of invulns, you can follow a designated order you wanna use and almost never have issues. With experience you'll know which dungeons have big boy pulls that you can try to optimize like in the 65 dungeon, first 70 one, 71's first pulls, 79's last pull, (literally all I can think of past ARR).
As a Bard main, I can say from experience that Bards make squishy tanks. Also, when I do play Tank, I'm generally okay with pulling more mobs than just one (although it does get a bit anxiety-inducing at times because I don't *main* tank, I just play it for some variety or for achievements), but there was one time I was tanking in The Aurum Vale, and I was trying to get to the boss room pulling as few mobs as possible, and a DPS kept running around and pulling more mobs to us to have us take more time, and later in the dungeon would run ahead, aggro mobs, and get himself killed. Now, I'm the same way as the vlogger here; if someone pulls a mob I wasn't intending to at the time, I'll still aggro them to get them away from the party, but in this case, the DPS was obviously griefing the party and the healer was actually encouraging me to just let him tank any extra mobs he pulled.
Really REALLY helpful video. I've been playing Tank for about a week now after switching from a DPS role since I started playing 3 months ago. I decided to run dailies with my brother, at the end of it he politely suggested "You should watch this guy bro, it'll help". Translation: You suck, you gotta learn. 😂 Thanks again
27:30 it is worth noting that Vengance Arms Length combo doesnt work all the time, the reflect from Vengance can override the slow on Arms Length, old spaghetti code causes this issue, just something to note
4:24 The duty support is good for practicing your skills and learning the map. I find I have to do one pull with npcs vs players I can w2w or at least 2 pull.
I go with the mindset: why deal with it later when you can handle it now? If you see a DPS pull a couple of mobs from the room you're in, it means, 'Hey, this room could be a problem if we wipe, so let's clean it up.' That way, the DPS or healer doesn't get jumped while doing the walk of shame back to the boss they wiped on.
It’s tough cause I play on an ultrawide monitor. I just push everything off into the corners so my screen in these videos looks cleaner than it does in reality haha
Dungeon mit rotation. You only need 1 and very seldomly 2 mitigations up at a time. Short (bloodwhetting, heart of corrundum etc)-->long (rampart, vengeance, camoflauge, sentinel etc)---> short--->long. Usually the pull will be over during the second short. Good mits to combine when needed for pulls are arms length and reprisal. Good mits to combine for tank busters are a short and long. Think bloodwhetting+vengeance. Mits that rarely get combined. Any 2 long mits. Think rampart and vengeance. Savage hits hard sometimes and requires the kitchen sink though. Mits to never combine. Vengeance and arms length. The slow and reflect do not stack. Something weird with the fact they both proc off physical hits.
Something else for warrior specifically. Shake it off will eat active buffs from vengeance, thrill of battle and bloodwhetting in return for 2% more shield. This is almost never worth eating vengeance and bloodwhetting buffs unless they are about to full off. Thrill of battle is an exception. Shake it off snapshots your max hp when you use it. Basically if you have 100hp and use shake it off you’ll get a 15hp shield. However if you use thrill of battle your hap will jump to 120hp. Then use shake it off you’ll get a 20.4hp shield. 15% for shake it off+2% for eating thrill of battle buff.
@Someone_3lse I already made another comment with a bunch of info. This is just 1 part: Notes on cd usage for dungeons: You want to stack cds as much as you possibly can. Anything under 1 min should be used for every pull. (Repraisal, and your short cd) and you should never save cds for bosses or tank busters as you can always use your short cd for those and even then you won't need it vs tanking a wall to wall pull. Its also about dungeon knowledge... if you can pull to the boss wall then you don't need to save any cds and should use them all... And then its job specific stuff as well. Playing a pld always Hallowed ground the first 10 seconds of the first large pull that way you can maybe get it back for a large pull before the last boss. Don't stack vengeance and arms length because you want them hitting you faster for the damage back. Etc If you are running with a whitemage that is holy spamming you can wait a few seconds to layer your cds for when the stuns wear off. But generally speaking you want to think about how you can use as many cds as you can. This will allow the support to do much more dps and the packs will die way quicker which is more overall mitigation and less damage taken. This is specific for dungeon cd usage. For savage and ultimates, it's clearly different, and you should work on mapping your cds to be consistent with each pull, but obviously, these will be different for each fight.
@@danielbeattie9509 you don’t want to stack a bunch of mits because of diminishing returns. You can check this yourself by comparing the damage you receive without mits to what you receive when using just rampart and to what you receive when using just bloodwhetting. Otherwise we’d just stack a bunch of mits for 100% damage reduction. As for arms length and vengeance. Their slow/reflect literally overwrite each other. You can not apply both at the same time. caetsu chaiji has a video showing how they do not stack at all even when both are active
After the first time I got surprised by my dps pulling an extra group when i was still learning (I still kinda am learning) I just started asking people on dungeons to lmk if they want me to pull more
I just got back into the game and enjoy healing(no que time helps lol) but I want to tank the biggest thing holding me back is not knowing the dungeons. Being the "leader" and nor knowing just makes me feel bad Edit: enjoy the vids! Thank you
Duty support is good for that if you want to take your time and find your way through the dungeons with the npc’s for the first time through. But yeah, there are so many dungeons. They get much more linear later on
I main Gnb and PLD. From my tanking pov, indeed tank leads the way but healer is the true director. Dungeon route is easy, but healing and mitigating all boss mechanics at same time? That is something else
There's no need to 'know' a dungeon more than anyone else. You aren't scouting ahead and handling things yourself, you'll pretty much always just be running with the party, if on the front side. Tanking is braindead easy in the majority of content; healing is terrifying...
Knowing a Dungeon is important in a MMO like WoW that has pretty open Dungeons. Here in FF XIV it is just a super long Hallway with always the same Pattern. 2-3 Trash Packs, Boss, 2-3 Trash Packs, Boss, 2-3 Trash Packs, Endboss. There is no routing or Trash skipping here.
I think most new tanks struggle on is just the mitigation juggling. which one to use first, which one should stack and able to know when one is about to end and cast the next mitigation being they are mix of short durations. everything else is pretty simple.
Think about the spacing for the content and aim to use your cds as much as you can to maximize usages. While learning new content you can keep some mitigation in the reserve but as you learn the content more you can figure out when you can safely start to use all your cds to the maximum efficiency. For dungeons this is mainly used for big pulls and for raids its mainly used on tank busters. For dungeons its best to stack your cds as much as you can for big pulls since most big pulls die within 20 seconds assuming dps were hitting it on the way and everyone is doing AOE. So run them into position and start stacking your cds.at the first of the pull as soon as you get in position unless you are doing something like invuln or holy spam etc... and then you can use it after. Also you typically dont need more then short cds for small groups of 3-4 mobs so just reprisal, blood whetting/heart etc stuff that will come back for the next pull regardless. I think the biggest mistakes most beginner tanks make is not using as many cds as they can and instead using the least that they can which is totally backwards. I go through dungeons sometimes and they use 1 cd at a time or never even use some of there cds for the whole run.
I love the aesthetic of PLD, but I only ever use WAR in dungeons. It makes me feel like Bloodwhetting keeps me in control of my destiny regardless of the healer's skill level.
At the end of the day, pretty much nothing. Duty Support is the NPC's that join you when you go in "normally" like when you're going in for the 1st time. Trusts are the Scion Avatar NPC. You need to level them pretty similarly as the Grand Company Squadrons, by taking them on with you. You get achievements and glams for them for leveling them to max.
I would love to see a guide like this for healing. I'm a tank/dps goober that was never really curious about healing until SGE dropped, but I know jack squat about it and healing. As a fellow controller player I'd also love to see your SGE xhb, and why you placed what you did where you did.
I’d like to do a healing video at some point for sure. I feel like healing is maybe a little more job dependent. Would need to talk about a lot of specific abilities. I may hold off until dawntrail for that, but we’ll see! If you wanna see hot bars I have screenshots of all the jobs in my discord in the resources channel
@@99_Vit I'll have to check that out! It would certainly behoove all to wait until Dawntrail as all jobs will be getting changed. Some more than others of course.
19:20 honestly, if your healer is eager to keep the pull going, just do it. I'm a tank main, but I've been dabbling in sage the past week and for real... it's BORING when people don't wall-to-wall. Yeah when it's a giga pull like the one in gulg things get a bit spicy, but when I'm playing healer I'm gonna be annoyed at myself over a wipe from a pull I said "go all the way" on, not the tank.
This is random, but I'd love a video on your UI/HUD. I've been experimenting non stop with mine trying to find a balance between effective but not overly cluttered / ugly lol.
Lots of people have been asking for this. I’ll have to give it some thought since I haven’t messed with my UI in years haha probably worth a video though
@@caribbeanjack the game works perfectly on controller, might just take a bit of getting used to. Set up is easy, check my controller guide if you’re interested in that. I’ve never played on mouse and keyboard though but have zero complaints
Homie I love the vids. Would gladly appreciate if you could lemme know in what order you have the paddles bound to (I'm trying to ease myself into playing with controller since it looked fun when you did it). And also if you could hook us up with a vid about your config/skill placements on the hotbar, like the reasoning behind it. Hope that makes sense.
Thank you! Paddles on the back of the controller are bound to the dpad for me. I go over some of the thought process and layouts in my controller guide if you’re interested
An interesting element of tanking to me is how many players want really huge pulls, but I think that's a misconception. Because most non-tank AOEs max out at X targets, I feel like it's rarely efficient to pull more than two packs at a time. (corrected below)
non tank AOE don't have a target limit, no idea if they used to, but that's just not true as of now. Ive gotten every job up to at least 75 and I've never seen a target cap on an AOE. some have slightly lower potency on enemies around a certain target, but it still does that damage to every enemy in the range
@@femthingevelyn Hm, I swear I read about an AOE cap, but if I'm wrong I retract the statement. Google indicates some people mentioning it, but not within the past year. I guess now I don't know what's up!
@@maxducoudray from what I can find there may have been either a limit of 16 enemies hit back in arr or server issues preventing proper hit registration, but apparently that was fixed in heavenward. It's also possible if you group enough enemies into one place that the ones closer to you are pushing others out of range, especially if some are large, but as far as I can tell there's no limit on most AOE other than how many enemies you can get into the area
Haven't even finished the video yet. I'm a tank main. Ultimate cleared. As soon as I got to the tank etiquette section you earned a like. Some correction if the aggro list shows anything but red it means you do not have 1st hate. Green means you have no hate. Yellow means you have some hate but are not the top of the list therefore not tanking. Notes on cd usage for dungeons: You want to stack cds as much as you possibly can. Anything under 1 min should be used for every pull. (Repraisal, and your short cd) and you should never save cds for bosses or tank busters as you can always use your short cd for those and even then you won't need it vs tanking a wall to wall pull. Its also about dungeon knowledge... if you can pull to the boss wall then you don't need to save any cds and should use them all... And then its job specific stuff as well. Playing a pld always Hallowed ground the first 10 seconds of the first large pull that way you can maybe get it back for a large pull before the last boss. Don't stack vengeance and arms length because you want them hitting you faster for the damage back. Etc If you are running with a whitemage that is holy spamming you can wait a few seconds to layer your cds for when the stuns wear off. But generally speaking you want to think about how you can use as many cds as you can. This will allow the support to do much more dps and the packs will die way quicker which is more overall mitigation and less damage taken. Another note. I know you mention LOSing but your reasoning was a bit off. The example you give in Aurum Vale isn't used to avoid ranged damage... Its used to stack enemies. When you LOS a ranged mob it is forced to move to a position that can hit you. Death balling or stacking all mobs together is extremely important and LOS is a good way to force ranged to catch up. You can also run back and stack the pack on top of ranged mobs as well. This isn't a good idea in Aurum vale as you want to avoid the patrols but a good example is the room in Dzemael Darkhold after the 2nd boss. You pick up all the hate but its all ranged and on opposite sides of the room.. if you run far up the ramp in the back it forces them to the middle and then you run back and stack on them.
Heya! Thanks for the vid. I'm a long time MMO player on, but on kb&m, and I've been wanting to switch to controller for wrist comfort for a little while now, so your guides have been handy in getting setup. I had a specific question, I recently cleared uwu and tea, working on dsr and ucob right now, and... as I get used to controller, I feel like I can do ok in a dungeon pull, but the idea of an ult on controller right now seems... scary 😅, do you have any Ult specific controller tips? (or, is there a video of yours I haven't watched yet that you think could help?). P.S. I main tank and heals, so I guess I'm mainly thinking of all the different party member and/or boss target swapping I'd be doing while also double weaving compared to a dps perhaps. I'm so used to using the F1-F8 keys for party and Tab for boss(s). Cheers
If you’ve already watched the controller guide I don’t have too much else to add. You could potentially macro an important mit or healing button to all 7 of the party members so you don’t have to target, but that would take up most of a hotbar. This shouldn’t be super necessary for the most part but could help save a run if something’s going bad I guess. But you’ll most likely know ahead of time who you need to heal/mit when things are going smoothly and it should be okay to just target normally. I just play dps in ulti, sorry I don’t have any secret tricks haha I just press feint
@@99_Vit Haha, no worries. I just figured I'd ask, thanks! When you were talking about targeting using up and down to scroll thru the party list, I just worry about speed in emergency rezzes or mits, and I'm sure a lot of what I might be feeling is just... needing to play for way more time to feel comfy using those controls. 😅 Cheers!
As a long time tank in different mmos, "You pulled it, you tank it" is only valid in two instances. A sprout is still watching the cutscene, or if you told them that you are taking it slow with pulls and they still pull more. You shouldn't have to pull extra weight cause someone else is being toxic.
Just that you'd have to level them and go through the story again really. A lot of people use alt characters for raiding and gearing different jobs alongside their main
The ypyt stance is stupid. I feel that the only person who should pull additional mobs should be the healer since they're the one whos healing me, but if a dps pulls, just take the agro and finish the pull.
The most main thing that they fail at is.....they would buy the package for the class to make them level 80 and dont know how to use the class. If they go through the proper leveling while playing the game, it would literally tell you how to tank or dps...They should of never added that in the Mog station. So you have a lot of new ones that's coming in and dont know how to properly play the class. They lucky its not how 1.0 was when you had to worry about having the accuracy for it, lol.
how do you pull a big packs of mobs so efficiently? i always lose someone or dps steal aggro and getting them again is impossible because of the arrow on my dpad, so if there's too many i have to spam the button and it takes to much time
Yeah, the targeting can be a little weird and definitely takes some practice. Lots of camera angling that you have to do to make it cooperate. There are some settings that help out and I go over that stuff in my controller guide if you’re interested. But you can usually run up and do a few aoes and it’s perfectly fine if you’re struggling with targeting
if you're on controller, I recently discovered that holding either trigger and hitting l1 will cycle enemies, I don't remember ever changing that setting so I think it's default, you can also go under character configuration under control settings, under filters, and change what gets selected with the arrows when your weapon is drawn
Using a voke to pull is usually superior to your ranged attack. For 1 you can use it at a further range and it will give you top hate on every enemy in the pack. This will give them more time to bunch up as they run towards you and since it was an oGCD you can now instantly use your AOE on the pack that is grouped up as you are running through them. The only way you lose hate is if you don't hit them with an AOE or ranged attack at least once. So if you are running through and using only your ranged attack you need to make sure you cycle through each one once. If the mobs are spaced out you can do this but if they are in packs its better to try to get the AOE off while running through them to do them all at once. If you miss someone target them with the list and send them back a ranged attack or if they are out of range just keep running and the dps or healer will eventually bring them closer when you get the group of mobs stacked up. Most dungeons have 2 big packs to pull so voke the first one then AOE through it. On the second one use your ranged attack asap and then get on top of them and start AOEing. If the dungeon has spread out mobs like Brayflox hard for example you can ranged attack each mob as you run. Knowing the tricks should now hopefully help you understand when to apply each one.
I'm a healer main but I tank often not a huge fan of dps. My rule of thumb for tanks is. Attempt to wall to wall pull first. The game is balanced around it so I honestly think doing that is just bare minimum as a tank. If your healer is pulling more mobs for you it's because they're confident in their healing skills so just let them or do it for them. If you're scared or new, atleast attempt to do it once. Don't just say no without trying. If you live. Congrats keep doing that from now on. If u die. Find out why. Is it healer issue? Did u stand in aoes too much? Did u use any of your mitigation? But if u say no and don't try At that point as a healer you're just wasting my time so I'll leave and re queue
I think the biggest problem for a new tank is knowing where to go being the leader of the pack. the manor as a ow level dungeon is a good example of that.
My first dungeon, i had DPS pulling extra mobs to me and i loved it lolol - i explained to them i was new to tanking, and i felt like they were helping me find a good tempo to get through the dungeon. Didn’t realize some people take those actions as toxic lol - but yea , also glad you made this video, im taking it all in while i work !
As a dps or a healer, I do tend to pull ahead of the tank, but I will make sure to take precautions. If my dps has any kind of shield (reaper, ninja, picto, black mage, etc) I will pop it (same on healer), get just close enough to throw out a single instant cast ranged ability, and then run immediately back.
I disagree with your view on tank etiquette. If someone wants to pull more mobs for the tank, they should ask first if that's OK for the tank. Also, it's not the tank's "job" to tank. This is a game. If anything here feels like a job, something is going wrong.
They pull it, they tank it some by accident that's fine, but they sprint ahead and collect a train... etiquette works both ways. Drop... Players need to learn to stop trying to win the game... duty support ftw
An in depth beginner guide for people who have no idea what they are doing. It's a good length, and full of good information and supportive words. Pipe down.
No, it is your job to pull aggro if a DPS pulls extra. It is your job to keep aggro, and if you fail to do this you are actively not playing your job and it is a reportable offense. Or at the very least a good means for a vote kick on you
why people even care about that, i'm usually always the first to run off as a tank, but if it does happen that someone else pulls i just grab them and move on..lol
There are many useful beginners guide on tanking, But my beloved WoL fellows it is much easier on life to stay away from tank classes. DPS is much more fun attractive and challenging to play. Tank is boring, tedious, and put a lot of stress. Just pick any DPS classes
Hard disagree! Tanking at the top level is anything but boring! I will agree at a low lever it can be but in for example p6 of the omega protocol or adds in ucob or p6 in dsr tanking can be super stressful but rewarding!
A few things I forgot to mention in the video:
- Group up mobs tightly in dungeons so everyone’s AOE attacks can hit all of them easily. Wiggle around a bit to pull the mobs closer together
- PLD and GNB can use their invulns as another mitigation in dungeons. You can do this at the start so it’s back up again towards the end. WAR/DRK get tricky if the healer keeps healing you when you use it. Feel free to tell them you plan on using it before the pull. Feel free to save it for an emergency if you’re unsure
- Tank stance turns off when you get level synced down, remember to turn it back on when you get in the instance
- Ranged attack generates more agro than other normal attacks
- You can and should be giving mit/shields/heals to squishy party members as needed if they're in trouble (TBN, oblation, corundum, aurora, intervention, nascent)
- Make sure a tank is always first in agro (“A” next to their name in party list) if both tanks die you have to provoke when you get back up to get the boss back. It’s likely slapping a dps in the meantime, so be quick
- It’s good practice to turn your stance on after your opener as the off tank, tanks should always be 1 & 2 in agro in case the main tank dies or if there are two busters on agro 1 & 2 (typically a Savage mechanic)
- If you want to get into extreme, savage, or ultimate on tank just watch a guide on the fight beforehand and make sure you know your rotation and mitigation like the back of your hand. Jump in there and give it a shot!
Let me know if there’s anything else I forgot!
For the level sync stance thing, this is why I have a greeting macro I click at the start of every dungeon:
/p Lali-diddly-ho neighborinos!
/ac "Iron Will"
/ac "Defiance"
/ac "Grit"
/ac "Royal Guard"
/wait 1
/ac "Iron Will"
/ac "Defiance"
/ac "Grit"
/ac "Royal Guard"
This will make sure that, whether your stance was on or not before, it's on now; turning stance on is a 2s cd, turning it off is a 1s cd, so if the macro turned it on in the first round, it's still on cooldown after the /wait 1, but if the first set turned it off then it'll turn right back on. And you never have to actually remember to do it, as long as you're polite and click your Hello macro!
From about 23:35 to 24:05 when explaining the colour of the enmity indicator in the enemy list, for some reason you worded it weirdly, probably just in the moment. You made it sound like for a tank the gem works inversely to the dps perspective (as in it changing colour from red towards green means you're "about to" lose aggro when it reaches green), when in reality for a tank any colour except solid red means that this mob is already hitting someone else instead of you and you need to pick it up with your aoe or provoke/ranged attack.
Thank you for mentioning grouping. There's a real differnce for dps when tanks group things properly. It's nice to see when tanks do that.
Level 80 tomestone gear is better than anything between 80-90, same for the new 90-100 tomestone gear. So remember to keep up with that, folks. It's cheap and easy to afford them, just do your roulettes
This is great advice. Thanks
Fun fact, some Alexander Raids actually have a tank swap mechanic in normal, but with the ilvl that most people had when unlocking then they can ignore with a few CDs and a help of the healer
I’ve watched 3 of your videos from UA-cam recommendations, it’s probably time I subscribe
I hope there’s a chapter in here about tanxiety
Nothing too specific about it. Getting over tanking anxiety just comes in time and understanding of what you're doing. Hopefully this video will help!
it's easy, always off tank
The answer is to grow up and just play
Find a friend who is a good tank and ask them to run with you. If you are on Aether I can do some runs with you and give you advice in real time on how to improve. Showing you specific advice on cd management and how to pull packs optimally and positional stuff. I've done this for lots of my friends and they all drastically improve very quickly to the point where they are comfy tanking on their own in all casual to midcore content. A Tank main who can also heal is best for this since they can cover for any mistakes while learning.
@@danielbeattie9509 that's very sweet but i really don't have the time between my job and other things, plus i play in a europe server so i guess it would have been impossible anyway
I had no idea about the in-combat sprint being half as long! Thank you for all the advice!
Honestly the first thing you should be telling new players regardless of roles is to do the Hall of Novice duties. The game literally walks you through the basics of what to do in a dungeon with a party depending on the role you picked, and you can run all Novice duties on a single character provided you’ve level the right classes to 15. There is absolutely zero reason to skip hall of Novice even though it’s a side quest. It’s right outside of Aleport in the Limsa location. People should get comfortable with basics before tackling the more advanced stuff especially if you feel stressed or nervous. Once you get basics down and are comfortable 99.9% of people will leave you alone about your tanking in base game content. Outside a friendly reminder to turn on tank stance.
The gear ain't horrible glam either and it's ok for low level jobs
Also if you have played the job for a bit and got a good understanding you doing have the read the text word for word. You’ll probably stream through it just knowing what to do.
Hand down the best rank guide I’ve seen and I’ve been searching lol. Thanks for this, I’m relatively new to MMOs in general and the detail about strategies was incredibly helpful. 🤘🏻
I think something very valuable is setting up a hotbar next to the party list and adding macros for each and every party member for your sharable mitigations. It has improved my tank game by a ton by not only using my mitigations on myself and the cotank. You want to make it a macro so that you don't have to detarget the boss and click in the partylist to do your mitigations. Since I made my tank hotbars have these macros for sharable mitigations I cannot even count how many times I've saved scuffed PF runs of savage raids or just general gameplay. My biggest tip for anyone serious about tanking is to set up a hotbar like that and become more active about mitigating your healers or dps instead of yourself for aoe's and other mechanics. Your healers will love you and you will be surprised by how often you can spam these mitigations.
yep! I see a lot of people use the macros but even without them I've saved a ton of dps or healers with a quick tbn or hoc
@@99_Vit Exactly. With TBN and setting up your burst with full mana and tbn proc it's even easier to get tbn to break when putting it on a fragile dps or healer on raidwides or mechanics that do damage.
@@retzerbil867 as a keyboard + mouse player. I saw some players with these and is currently looking for guides
I've replaced the F2-8 keys with those macros instead of setting a visible bar, but yeah same concept and a great idea!
@@SapphireDragon357that is also very smart
I feel like I have a decent amount of this knowledge but, I honestly just decided to watch the whole thing because I've been really enjoying your videos! Keep it up dud
Extremely helpful video! Not so nervous about tanking anymore 🙏
just a side-note: it is very difficult to be so undergeared as a tank to lose aggro if you are hitting the mobs - if you properly aoe the packs with tank stance on, your weapon would need to be around 20 levels (or somewhere around 150-300 ilvl) lower than the minimum ilvl of the dungeon to be running into aggro issues, meaning the armor game would need to be popping off in order for you to meet MIL requirements, but not keep aggro.
This. If you are too low ilvl the dungeon just won't let you in. That Tank was either not rotation right, not mitigating properly, irl distracted or a combination of thosr.
I actually take it as a compliment when someone pulls more mobs than I intended - he has more faith in me than I do
Great video again! Good advice and tips.
Fairly new to tanking, but I have moved my Target % and Focus Target bars down from the top of my hud to just above my cross hotbars so I can be sure I am the target and can check % quickly. Moving the enemy list, target progress bar and my debuff (status info enfeeblements) closer to my hotbars also has been a huge help. Now to get through the anxiety and start taking on harder dungeons and pulls.
as someone who is new to tanking, this is incredibly helpful, thank you!
this video was incredible, holy crap. as someone new to tanking in this game i really appreciate it!
hello! Tank main here since 1.0. A note on 21:39 ; this is the correct way to pull with ranged or voke however you only need one per mob pack. Mob packs are tied together with lines you can see. when you voke or ranged attack one all the mobs in that chain will aggro to you. So, you can use ranged attack as you are going in then aoe. Or Voke then aoe. No need to use both. I find its better to save voke in case while you are pulling a mob falls behind and aggos a dps then you can quickly voke that mob and keep going.
Those lines are also the reason some tanks get mad. If a dps pulls early all the mobs in that pack aggro them and the tank needs to aoe to pull them off the dps which can make it a bit annoying but overall thats your job! I usually just pop sprint so I'm always in front grabbing that initial aggro of the mob pack.
Sometime to note is the range on voke is much further than your ranged attack. Plus its off the GCD so you can voke to grab all there attention and as they run at you you can instantly use your AOE since you don't have to wait for the GCD. It depends on how the mobs are spaced most of the time. Also tanks getting mad is weird because a simple AOE picks all adds up instantly. The only time I would be mad as a tank is if they ran away from me instead of to me with the adds. If they get aggro and bring it in the pack they will instantly get picked up regardless. Although to be honest its rare to find a healer or dps in a dungeon that wants to go faster then me.
@danielbeattie9509 Yup I agree it's strange to get upset about that but it happens. Voke is farther and faster so I use voke and ranged interchangeably. Like you said the benefit of voke is its not a gcd so you can instantly hit your aoe after and it's longer range.
@@danielbeattie9509 "Also tanks getting mad is weird because a simple AOE picks all adds up instantly." I *ABSOLUTELY F*^$ING HATE* when dps pull this crap. Especially when they then say "I was doing you a favor!" I've never seen adds group up normally when a dps is beelining it back and expecting me to make up for their stupid. One of them will get an auto off, stop for a second, and then run in behind everything else, or there's ranged attacks (there's ALWAYS ranged attacks), or they'll try to tank until the rest of the party catches up. If I, the tank, was not already in front of you, it's because SOMEONE ELSE DID SOMETHING STUPID TOO and I had to hang back to fix it!
The only time I will pull ahead of a tank, and the only time I understand when people do it to me, is when a buff is about to run out and the whole damn rotation is at stake.
The worst, most toxic asshat I've ever seen was a Black Mage in Lost City of Amdapor. I would use sprint after each w2w, he would run normally for a bit... then teleport to me, use his own sprint so it lasted longer than mine, and use BLM range to pull the mobs ahead of me. Why, I could not possibly tell you. And when I asked him to stop doing that, he told me to pull faster. ....My brother in christ, MOTHERF*&^ING HOW WOULD I POSSIBLY DO THAT?!? They then kicked me from the party for daring to question them.
@@SapphireDragon357 Sounds like cope from you. All i hear is its everyone's fault but your own. I'm a tank main and I pull for tanks all the time as DPS/heals and do shit like pop arms lengths to slow them all while bringing them directly back into the middle of the stacked pack. BLM needs to be ahead to precast or they aren't doing there job with doing as much damage as possible. I would be pissed as a tank if the dps were not actively putting out as much damage as possible or having mobs mostly dead by the time they get caught up to me because that is how you do it efficiently. It seems like you need to change your perspective and stop blaming others and instead think about your own actions. Plus regardless even if the dps shouldn't be pulling for you you can't control them and just sound petty if you complain or refuse to take hate back. If you are getting kicked that means its a majority of people that disagree with you in that dungeon.
@@SapphireDragon357 thisis 100% cope. Poor tank can do no wrong. its always someone elses fault. bla bla bla.
Cheers from Brazil!
This guide is super amazing, should we call it the holy Bible of tanking? Is soo completed and easy to understand!
I have 15 years experience of tanking in others games, but aways there's new things to learn!
Thanks for the effort, amazing job.
5:30 I was trying out healer and the tank pulled the pulled every mob. Forget tankxiety, I have healxiety now
Scholar main with lvl 56 warrior and I can’t seem to get comfortable with tanking. Looking forward watching this extended guide - thank you! ~ Maddie
If you aren’t vibing with warrior then you can always try other tank jobs.
Also I find Hard Trails are chump change. And help you get used to managing a boss. Also no harm in going to leveling below 50 dungeons to practice the basic. If you need some “real world” pratice.
My recommendation on dungeon mitigations is to start with your two 90 second ones for the first pack, on the second pack lead with your 2 minute and then arm's length after that ends, and have some proper cycling of your short mitigations and healing along the way, this applies to pulling wall to wall which for almost every dungeon past HW is literally two groups before you get gated before a boss.
So for GNB for example...
Rampart (90) -> Heart of Corundum/Aurora at any point -> Camouflage (90) + Reprisal(60) once Rampart ends. That's enough for one pack, move to the next.
Nebula (120) - Heart of Corundum/Aurora at any point -> Arm's Length (120) + Reprisal (60) once Nebula ends, second packs tend to be a lot beefier and with this cycle your other 90 seconds are back up to use just in case you end up needing anymore. Works for PLD and WAR as well, though War rarely needs much.
You need adjustment with DRK though as it lacks a 90 second cooldown, it's best to use your invuln as much as you can and communicate with your healer that you'll do it. Its short CD is very strong though and negates more damage than the others do so you may not need it. I do recommend using Invulns are your own discretion but this flat cycle applies to most situations.
You'll eventually figure out what dungeons you need to plan things out more as 90% of dungeons in game are just hallways with two packs per pull, they almost don't need any proper planning or use of invulns, you can follow a designated order you wanna use and almost never have issues. With experience you'll know which dungeons have big boy pulls that you can try to optimize like in the 65 dungeon, first 70 one, 71's first pulls, 79's last pull, (literally all I can think of past ARR).
As a Bard main, I can say from experience that Bards make squishy tanks. Also, when I do play Tank, I'm generally okay with pulling more mobs than just one (although it does get a bit anxiety-inducing at times because I don't *main* tank, I just play it for some variety or for achievements), but there was one time I was tanking in The Aurum Vale, and I was trying to get to the boss room pulling as few mobs as possible, and a DPS kept running around and pulling more mobs to us to have us take more time, and later in the dungeon would run ahead, aggro mobs, and get himself killed. Now, I'm the same way as the vlogger here; if someone pulls a mob I wasn't intending to at the time, I'll still aggro them to get them away from the party, but in this case, the DPS was obviously griefing the party and the healer was actually encouraging me to just let him tank any extra mobs he pulled.
Really REALLY helpful video. I've been playing Tank for about a week now after switching from a DPS role since I started playing 3 months ago. I decided to run dailies with my brother, at the end of it he politely suggested "You should watch this guy bro, it'll help". Translation: You suck, you gotta learn. 😂 Thanks again
27:30 it is worth noting that Vengance Arms Length combo doesnt work all the time, the reflect from Vengance can override the slow on Arms Length, old spaghetti code causes this issue, just something to note
Huh interesting. I’ll have to keep an eye out for that now
4:24 The duty support is good for practicing your skills and learning the map. I find I have to do one pull with npcs vs players I can w2w or at least 2 pull.
I go with the mindset: why deal with it later when you can handle it now? If you see a DPS pull a couple of mobs from the room you're in, it means, 'Hey, this room could be a problem if we wipe, so let's clean it up.' That way, the DPS or healer doesn't get jumped while doing the walk of shame back to the boss they wiped on.
I'd love to see you do a HUD/UI guide especially for controller players!
It’s tough cause I play on an ultrawide monitor. I just push everything off into the corners so my screen in these videos looks cleaner than it does in reality haha
you explain things very well! thanks for this video i feel much comfy about tanking now
Dungeon mit rotation. You only need 1 and very seldomly 2 mitigations up at a time.
Short (bloodwhetting, heart of corrundum etc)-->long (rampart, vengeance, camoflauge, sentinel etc)---> short--->long.
Usually the pull will be over during the second short.
Good mits to combine when needed for pulls are arms length and reprisal.
Good mits to combine for tank busters are a short and long. Think bloodwhetting+vengeance.
Mits that rarely get combined. Any 2 long mits. Think rampart and vengeance. Savage hits hard sometimes and requires the kitchen sink though.
Mits to never combine. Vengeance and arms length. The slow and reflect do not stack. Something weird with the fact they both proc off physical hits.
Something else for warrior specifically. Shake it off will eat active buffs from vengeance, thrill of battle and bloodwhetting in return for 2% more shield. This is almost never worth eating vengeance and bloodwhetting buffs unless they are about to full off. Thrill of battle is an exception. Shake it off snapshots your max hp when you use it. Basically if you have 100hp and use shake it off you’ll get a 15hp shield. However if you use thrill of battle your hap will jump to 120hp. Then use shake it off you’ll get a 20.4hp shield. 15% for shake it off+2% for eating thrill of battle buff.
This is just straight up bad advice for using cds in dungeons
@@danielbeattie9509 Then explain what would be better than cycling your cds like that
@Someone_3lse I already made another comment with a bunch of info. This is just 1 part:
Notes on cd usage for dungeons: You want to stack cds as much as you possibly can. Anything under 1 min should be used for every pull. (Repraisal, and your short cd) and you should never save cds for bosses or tank busters as you can always use your short cd for those and even then you won't need it vs tanking a wall to wall pull. Its also about dungeon knowledge... if you can pull to the boss wall then you don't need to save any cds and should use them all... And then its job specific stuff as well. Playing a pld always Hallowed ground the first 10 seconds of the first large pull that way you can maybe get it back for a large pull before the last boss. Don't stack vengeance and arms length because you want them hitting you faster for the damage back. Etc If you are running with a whitemage that is holy spamming you can wait a few seconds to layer your cds for when the stuns wear off. But generally speaking you want to think about how you can use as many cds as you can. This will allow the support to do much more dps and the packs will die way quicker which is more overall mitigation and less damage taken.
This is specific for dungeon cd usage. For savage and ultimates, it's clearly different, and you should work on mapping your cds to be consistent with each pull, but obviously, these will be different for each fight.
@@danielbeattie9509 you don’t want to stack a bunch of mits because of diminishing returns. You can check this yourself by comparing the damage you receive without mits to what you receive when using just rampart and to what you receive when using just bloodwhetting. Otherwise we’d just stack a bunch of mits for 100% damage reduction.
As for arms length and vengeance. Their slow/reflect literally overwrite each other. You can not apply both at the same time. caetsu chaiji has a video showing how they do not stack at all even when both are active
After the first time I got surprised by my dps pulling an extra group when i was still learning (I still kinda am learning) I just started asking people on dungeons to lmk if they want me to pull more
I just got back into the game and enjoy healing(no que time helps lol) but I want to tank the biggest thing holding me back is not knowing the dungeons. Being the "leader" and nor knowing just makes me feel bad
Edit: enjoy the vids! Thank you
Duty support is good for that if you want to take your time and find your way through the dungeons with the npc’s for the first time through. But yeah, there are so many dungeons. They get much more linear later on
I main Gnb and PLD. From my tanking pov, indeed tank leads the way but healer is the true director.
Dungeon route is easy, but healing and mitigating all boss mechanics at same time? That is something else
@adtsiriusstarr112 love me some healer but ima work on tanking
There's no need to 'know' a dungeon more than anyone else. You aren't scouting ahead and handling things yourself, you'll pretty much always just be running with the party, if on the front side. Tanking is braindead easy in the majority of content; healing is terrifying...
Knowing a Dungeon is important in a MMO like WoW that has pretty open Dungeons. Here in FF XIV it is just a super long Hallway with always the same Pattern. 2-3 Trash Packs, Boss, 2-3 Trash Packs, Boss, 2-3 Trash Packs, Endboss.
There is no routing or Trash skipping here.
I think most new tanks struggle on is just the mitigation juggling. which one to use first, which one should stack and able to know when one is about to end and cast the next mitigation being they are mix of short durations.
everything else is pretty simple.
Think about the spacing for the content and aim to use your cds as much as you can to maximize usages. While learning new content you can keep some mitigation in the reserve but as you learn the content more you can figure out when you can safely start to use all your cds to the maximum efficiency. For dungeons this is mainly used for big pulls and for raids its mainly used on tank busters. For dungeons its best to stack your cds as much as you can for big pulls since most big pulls die within 20 seconds assuming dps were hitting it on the way and everyone is doing AOE. So run them into position and start stacking your cds.at the first of the pull as soon as you get in position unless you are doing something like invuln or holy spam etc... and then you can use it after. Also you typically dont need more then short cds for small groups of 3-4 mobs so just reprisal, blood whetting/heart etc stuff that will come back for the next pull regardless. I think the biggest mistakes most beginner tanks make is not using as many cds as they can and instead using the least that they can which is totally backwards. I go through dungeons sometimes and they use 1 cd at a time or never even use some of there cds for the whole run.
I love the aesthetic of PLD, but I only ever use WAR in dungeons. It makes me feel like Bloodwhetting keeps me in control of my destiny regardless of the healer's skill level.
great content, love the chill vibes, keep up the good work, I am sure you will get a lot more subs
Nice video, informative but not overwhelming. Thanks.
What's the difference between trusts and duty support
At the end of the day, pretty much nothing. Duty Support is the NPC's that join you when you go in "normally" like when you're going in for the 1st time.
Trusts are the Scion Avatar NPC. You need to level them pretty similarly as the Grand Company Squadrons, by taking them on with you.
You get achievements and glams for them for leveling them to max.
new player here, these are super helpful! need me a dragoon guide from Vit!
maybe for the update in dawntrail! not really worth it now since it's getting reworked so soon
I would love to see a guide like this for healing. I'm a tank/dps goober that was never really curious about healing until SGE dropped, but I know jack squat about it and healing. As a fellow controller player I'd also love to see your SGE xhb, and why you placed what you did where you did.
I’d like to do a healing video at some point for sure. I feel like healing is maybe a little more job dependent. Would need to talk about a lot of specific abilities. I may hold off until dawntrail for that, but we’ll see! If you wanna see hot bars I have screenshots of all the jobs in my discord in the resources channel
@@99_Vit I'll have to check that out! It would certainly behoove all to wait until Dawntrail as all jobs will be getting changed. Some more than others of course.
19:20 honestly, if your healer is eager to keep the pull going, just do it. I'm a tank main, but I've been dabbling in sage the past week and for real... it's BORING when people don't wall-to-wall. Yeah when it's a giga pull like the one in gulg things get a bit spicy, but when I'm playing healer I'm gonna be annoyed at myself over a wipe from a pull I said "go all the way" on, not the tank.
If i can do the 1st giga pull in gulg as a DRK with SCH healing, anyone can with a bit of mit managing
@@deadline6149 Big agree. Just need to commit to it.
This is random, but I'd love a video on your UI/HUD. I've been experimenting non stop with mine trying to find a balance between effective but not overly cluttered / ugly lol.
Lots of people have been asking for this. I’ll have to give it some thought since I haven’t messed with my UI in years haha probably worth a video though
Do you find it easier to use a controller? I am a beginner tank who keeps hitting the wrong buttons lol. Is it easy to setup on PC?
@@caribbeanjack the game works perfectly on controller, might just take a bit of getting used to. Set up is easy, check my controller guide if you’re interested in that. I’ve never played on mouse and keyboard though but have zero complaints
Homie I love the vids. Would gladly appreciate if you could lemme know in what order you have the paddles bound to (I'm trying to ease myself into playing with controller since it looked fun when you did it). And also if you could hook us up with a vid about your config/skill placements on the hotbar, like the reasoning behind it. Hope that makes sense.
Thank you! Paddles on the back of the controller are bound to the dpad for me. I go over some of the thought process and layouts in my controller guide if you’re interested
Hi Vit, what's the chest glam you're wearing with your Warrior?
@@Lel2oux felicitous tunic from the level 20 island sanctuary reward (one of the worst grinds I’ve done in game)
@@99_Vit Thanks! And I love your gunbreaker glam too. Is it still Island sanctuary?
@@Lel2oux yellow gunbreaker glam is from PvP in wolves den
really good video. The for doing this. Subscribed!
An interesting element of tanking to me is how many players want really huge pulls, but I think that's a misconception. Because most non-tank AOEs max out at X targets, I feel like it's rarely efficient to pull more than two packs at a time. (corrected below)
non tank AOE don't have a target limit, no idea if they used to, but that's just not true as of now. Ive gotten every job up to at least 75 and I've never seen a target cap on an AOE. some have slightly lower potency on enemies around a certain target, but it still does that damage to every enemy in the range
@@femthingevelyn Hm, I swear I read about an AOE cap, but if I'm wrong I retract the statement. Google indicates some people mentioning it, but not within the past year. I guess now I don't know what's up!
There is no limit, they will all die at the same speed no matter how many are grouped up
@@maxducoudray from what I can find there may have been either a limit of 16 enemies hit back in arr or server issues preventing proper hit registration, but apparently that was fixed in heavenward. It's also possible if you group enough enemies into one place that the ones closer to you are pushing others out of range, especially if some are large, but as far as I can tell there's no limit on most AOE other than how many enemies you can get into the area
Haven't even finished the video yet. I'm a tank main. Ultimate cleared. As soon as I got to the tank etiquette section you earned a like.
Some correction if the aggro list shows anything but red it means you do not have 1st hate. Green means you have no hate. Yellow means you have some hate but are not the top of the list therefore not tanking.
Notes on cd usage for dungeons: You want to stack cds as much as you possibly can. Anything under 1 min should be used for every pull. (Repraisal, and your short cd) and you should never save cds for bosses or tank busters as you can always use your short cd for those and even then you won't need it vs tanking a wall to wall pull. Its also about dungeon knowledge... if you can pull to the boss wall then you don't need to save any cds and should use them all... And then its job specific stuff as well. Playing a pld always Hallowed ground the first 10 seconds of the first large pull that way you can maybe get it back for a large pull before the last boss. Don't stack vengeance and arms length because you want them hitting you faster for the damage back. Etc If you are running with a whitemage that is holy spamming you can wait a few seconds to layer your cds for when the stuns wear off. But generally speaking you want to think about how you can use as many cds as you can. This will allow the support to do much more dps and the packs will die way quicker which is more overall mitigation and less damage taken.
Another note. I know you mention LOSing but your reasoning was a bit off. The example you give in Aurum Vale isn't used to avoid ranged damage... Its used to stack enemies. When you LOS a ranged mob it is forced to move to a position that can hit you. Death balling or stacking all mobs together is extremely important and LOS is a good way to force ranged to catch up. You can also run back and stack the pack on top of ranged mobs as well. This isn't a good idea in Aurum vale as you want to avoid the patrols but a good example is the room in Dzemael Darkhold after the 2nd boss. You pick up all the hate but its all ranged and on opposite sides of the room.. if you run far up the ramp in the back it forces them to the middle and then you run back and stack on them.
Heya! Thanks for the vid. I'm a long time MMO player on, but on kb&m, and I've been wanting to switch to controller for wrist comfort for a little while now, so your guides have been handy in getting setup. I had a specific question, I recently cleared uwu and tea, working on dsr and ucob right now, and... as I get used to controller, I feel like I can do ok in a dungeon pull, but the idea of an ult on controller right now seems... scary 😅, do you have any Ult specific controller tips? (or, is there a video of yours I haven't watched yet that you think could help?). P.S. I main tank and heals, so I guess I'm mainly thinking of all the different party member and/or boss target swapping I'd be doing while also double weaving compared to a dps perhaps. I'm so used to using the F1-F8 keys for party and Tab for boss(s).
Cheers
If you’ve already watched the controller guide I don’t have too much else to add. You could potentially macro an important mit or healing button to all 7 of the party members so you don’t have to target, but that would take up most of a hotbar. This shouldn’t be super necessary for the most part but could help save a run if something’s going bad I guess. But you’ll most likely know ahead of time who you need to heal/mit when things are going smoothly and it should be okay to just target normally. I just play dps in ulti, sorry I don’t have any secret tricks haha I just press feint
@@99_Vit Haha, no worries. I just figured I'd ask, thanks! When you were talking about targeting using up and down to scroll thru the party list, I just worry about speed in emergency rezzes or mits, and I'm sure a lot of what I might be feeling is just... needing to play for way more time to feel comfy using those controls. 😅
Cheers!
Holy moly what glam is that SnS?
@@HeatedDeath94 final step of the heavensward relic weapon
Can someone tell me how i can set my crossbars in this manner?
As a long time tank in different mmos, "You pulled it, you tank it" is only valid in two instances. A sprout is still watching the cutscene, or if you told them that you are taking it slow with pulls and they still pull more. You shouldn't have to pull extra weight cause someone else is being toxic.
Are the any cons for making character for different roles/jobs?
Just that you'd have to level them and go through the story again really. A lot of people use alt characters for raiding and gearing different jobs alongside their main
nice, as always
The ypyt stance is stupid. I feel that the only person who should pull additional mobs should be the healer since they're the one whos healing me, but if a dps pulls, just take the agro and finish the pull.
The most main thing that they fail at is.....they would buy the package for the class to make them level 80 and dont know how to use the class. If they go through the proper leveling while playing the game, it would literally tell you how to tank or dps...They should of never added that in the Mog station. So you have a lot of new ones that's coming in and dont know how to properly play the class. They lucky its not how 1.0 was when you had to worry about having the accuracy for it, lol.
how do you pull a big packs of mobs so efficiently? i always lose someone or dps steal aggro and getting them again is impossible because of the arrow on my dpad, so if there's too many i have to spam the button and it takes to much time
also sometimes while searching the right enemy to aggro it select random things as well, it's really a nightmare pulling enemies
Yeah, the targeting can be a little weird and definitely takes some practice. Lots of camera angling that you have to do to make it cooperate. There are some settings that help out and I go over that stuff in my controller guide if you’re interested. But you can usually run up and do a few aoes and it’s perfectly fine if you’re struggling with targeting
if you're on controller, I recently discovered that holding either trigger and hitting l1 will cycle enemies, I don't remember ever changing that setting so I think it's default, you can also go under character configuration under control settings, under filters, and change what gets selected with the arrows when your weapon is drawn
Using a voke to pull is usually superior to your ranged attack. For 1 you can use it at a further range and it will give you top hate on every enemy in the pack. This will give them more time to bunch up as they run towards you and since it was an oGCD you can now instantly use your AOE on the pack that is grouped up as you are running through them. The only way you lose hate is if you don't hit them with an AOE or ranged attack at least once. So if you are running through and using only your ranged attack you need to make sure you cycle through each one once. If the mobs are spaced out you can do this but if they are in packs its better to try to get the AOE off while running through them to do them all at once. If you miss someone target them with the list and send them back a ranged attack or if they are out of range just keep running and the dps or healer will eventually bring them closer when you get the group of mobs stacked up. Most dungeons have 2 big packs to pull so voke the first one then AOE through it. On the second one use your ranged attack asap and then get on top of them and start AOEing. If the dungeon has spread out mobs like Brayflox hard for example you can ranged attack each mob as you run. Knowing the tricks should now hopefully help you understand when to apply each one.
@@danielbeattie9509 omg thanks i never thought of using this tactic, i usually use the close gap skill but this seems more simple and efficient
I'm a healer main but I tank often not a huge fan of dps.
My rule of thumb for tanks is. Attempt to wall to wall pull first. The game is balanced around it so I honestly think doing that is just bare minimum as a tank. If your healer is pulling more mobs for you it's because they're confident in their healing skills so just let them or do it for them. If you're scared or new, atleast attempt to do it once. Don't just say no without trying. If you live. Congrats keep doing that from now on. If u die. Find out why. Is it healer issue? Did u stand in aoes too much? Did u use any of your mitigation? But if u say no and don't try At that point as a healer you're just wasting my time so I'll leave and re queue
I think the biggest problem for a new tank is knowing where to go being the leader of the pack. the manor as a ow level dungeon is a good example of that.
My first dungeon, i had DPS pulling extra mobs to me and i loved it lolol - i explained to them i was new to tanking, and i felt like they were helping me find a good tempo to get through the dungeon. Didn’t realize some people take those actions as toxic lol - but yea , also glad you made this video, im taking it all in while i work !
As a dps or a healer, I do tend to pull ahead of the tank, but I will make sure to take precautions. If my dps has any kind of shield (reaper, ninja, picto, black mage, etc) I will pop it (same on healer), get just close enough to throw out a single instant cast ranged ability, and then run immediately back.
@@WolfmanXD love the advice ! My much appreciated !
could listen to you all day
Its crazy how nobody teaches people how to tank properly and how the game tells you nothing
I disagree with your view on tank etiquette.
If someone wants to pull more mobs for the tank, they should ask first if that's OK for the tank.
Also, it's not the tank's "job" to tank.
This is a game.
If anything here feels like a job, something is going wrong.
They pull it, they tank it some by accident that's fine, but they sprint ahead and collect a train... etiquette works both ways. Drop...
Players need to learn to stop trying to win the game... duty support ftw
mit like vit ez
an hour for a tanking guide, ooof
An in depth beginner guide for people who have no idea what they are doing. It's a good length, and full of good information and supportive words. Pipe down.
You pull it, you tank it.
No, it is your job to pull aggro if a DPS pulls extra. It is your job to keep aggro, and if you fail to do this you are actively not playing your job and it is a reportable offense. Or at the very least a good means for a vote kick on you
why people even care about that, i'm usually always the first to run off as a tank, but if it does happen that someone else pulls i just grab them and move on..lol
There are many useful beginners guide on tanking,
But my beloved WoL fellows it is much easier on life to stay away from tank classes. DPS is much more fun attractive and challenging to play. Tank is boring, tedious, and put a lot of stress. Just pick any DPS classes
Hard disagree! Tanking at the top level is anything but boring! I will agree at a low lever it can be but in for example p6 of the omega protocol or adds in ucob or p6 in dsr tanking can be super stressful but rewarding!
@@booblaa9734 my sentences seemed too serious...
Pssst, i'm trying to control tank population here 🫢
Tanking is easy and relaxing! Started levelling pld on a whim on an alt and fell in love. That was like 6 years ago and I haven't looked back since.
Either it was network issue or something else, my 2nd comment somehow got deleted
@@booblaa9734 my comment seemed too serious it lost the sense of humour.....
Psssst, was trying to control tank population 🤣