4 reasons leaders seem worse than regular people | Brian Klaas

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  • @bigthink
    @bigthink  Рік тому +30

    What's your favorite example of a trolley problem?

    • @gavinbamber6082
      @gavinbamber6082 Рік тому +15

      Choosing one political party/politician over another.

    • @LikeToWatch77
      @LikeToWatch77 Рік тому +3

      Kobayashi Maru

    • @TVC15ohoh
      @TVC15ohoh Рік тому +19

      I'm speaking directly to the Big Think admins here: Of all the leaders from the U.S. whose picture you couple with the words "dirty hands" that you could use as the thumbnail for this video you chose Obama?! I watched the video anyway and understand the concept behind "dirty hands," but on the surface, you're putting Obama in a bad light and creating a negative implication with regards to Obama, his character, history - whatever. Yes, he was imperfect. Yes, I didn't agree with everything he did and said. But he's been one of the best presidents we've had in the last 50 or 60 years, and I RESENT the implication. Getting clicks at the expense of Obama's reputation is beneath Big Think. Or is it? You need to change the thumbnail.

    • @jelusxiaz5386
      @jelusxiaz5386 Рік тому

      In india choosing between BJP a party that only causes destabilizing and deaths not to mention corruption vs other parties who are corrupt causes death but can be scrutinized and also in general work for the upliftment of the country.
      Thats the trolly problem most Indians are blind to in name of religion

    • @GEMSofGOD_com
      @GEMSofGOD_com Рік тому +2

      And then you've put Obama on the thumbnail 😂 Have you guys even seen Vice? I'm not even talking about seeing facts from Noam Chomsky

  • @seanLeprechaun
    @seanLeprechaun 9 місяців тому +19

    I remember an interview with Obama one time. The question was, "What was the most surprising thing to you about being president?" He said, "That no decision is easy. By the time a decision reaches my desk, it's been through a whole bunch of smart people. The easy decisions are made before I see them. All I'm left with are the hard ones."

  • @pennywabbit3684
    @pennywabbit3684 Рік тому +72

    I can think of a couple more
    1. the problem of greed
    2. The problem of no accountability

    • @mreese8764
      @mreese8764 Рік тому +6

      With great power comes no responsibility.

    • @bloodcarnage8285
      @bloodcarnage8285 Рік тому +2

      people used to be accountable to god . now no one wants to be accountable to the subjective of other men/women.

  • @gm2407
    @gm2407 Рік тому +123

    The bizare thing is that hedonistic ethics is based on consequences. The one thing the trolly problem does not cover is the consequences real or mental for the person making the decision, the person dispassionatly or otherwise makes the decision for other people who experience the consequences. The decision maker only experiences the consequences of their conscience if they have one.

    • @websoft9656
      @websoft9656 Рік тому +3

      That was incredible! 👍🌹

    • @GEMSofGOD_com
      @GEMSofGOD_com Рік тому

      And then BT had put Obama on the thumbnail 😂 Have them even seen Vice? I'm not even talking about seeing facts from Noam Chomsky

    • @vikivoicecoach
      @vikivoicecoach Рік тому

      Completely agree with you, well said

    • @IBTU
      @IBTU Рік тому +1

      Then come up with something better rather than criticising others work

    • @lewiskunta9869
      @lewiskunta9869 Рік тому

      Thomas sowell once said the biggest mistake society can ever make when it comes to making decisions is placing the power of making those decisions to the people who will suffer the least consequences for those decisions.

  • @brothermine2292
    @brothermine2292 Рік тому +19

    At several points, Klaas acknowledges that "bad" (or "evil") must be judged in relative terms, by comparing the feasible alternatives. In other words, "bad" (or "evil") is a misleading shorthand that refers to the "worse than" relative comparison to an unstated alternative. The sensible definition of "bad" is "worse than some feasible alternative." Where Klaas spoke about a choice when all feasible alternatives are bad, that's contradictory, because the best of the feasible alternatives is, according to the sensible definition, not bad.
    Nearly all adjectives (and adverbs, and many verbs) have the same linguistic problem that "bad" has: They're absolutist, ambiguous shorthands that really refer to an underlying relative comparison to an unstated alternative. For example, the threshold between "big" and "not big" isn't defined. The comparison "bigger than a breadbox" has a pretty clear meaning, but "big" doesn't. That's why someone playing Twenty Questions often asks "is it bigger than a breadbox" and only a loser would ask "is it big."
    Unfortunately, it's hard for humans to dispense with absolutist shorthands and instead speak clearly using explicit relative comparisons. That specificity requires extra time (a scarce resource), and often the speaker has only a vague understanding anyway.
    Absolutist shorthands create opportunities for politicians, salesmen and con artists to manipulate the listener, and the speaker can't be proved wrong when he uses inherently vague terms. Pollsters often do it too: questions such as "approve or disapprove," "support or oppose," and "right track or wrong track" impose false dichotomies that, by not explicitly stating an alternative to compare, lump together people who have opposite preferences and compare to different alternatives. For example, suppose 35% of the poll respondents think the current track is worse than a track that's further to the left and 40% think the current track is worse than a track that's further to the right. Then 75% would say "wrong track" and 25% would say "right track." But in fact, the current track is preferred over the alternatives by majorities: 60% (35%+25%) think the current track is better than a track further to the right, and 65% (40%+25%) think the current track is better than a track further to the left. Similarly, although 60% may say they "disapprove" of Joe Biden, a significant fraction of those "disapprovers" actually prefer Biden over likely 2024 opponents, and what they have in mind when they say "disapprove" could be a preference for Bernie Sanders over Biden, or disappointment that the Biden Administration hasn't yet locked up Trump, etc. When polls in 2009 & 2010 found that a majority "disapproved" the Democrats' health insurance bill (the ACA, also known as Obamacare), pundits pretended that meant a majority preferred the status quo, although a significant fraction of that majority actually meant they preferred single-payer heallth insurance (also known as Medicare For All) over the Democrats' bill.
    Although only 25% think the current track is best in the example above, the current track would win given a genuine majority rule voting method such as the Robert's Rules procedure for voting on motions, which works by counting multiple head-to-head majorities. (Robert's Rules counts N-1 head-to-head majorities to eliminate N-1 of the N alternatives, analogous to a single-elimination sports tournament.) Primitive voting methods, on the other hand, count at most one majority, and make majority-preferred centrist compromises appear least popular. Primitive voting methods are at the root of most of the problems of the world's democracies, because the one majority (or plurality) that they count can often be a coalition of minorities on different issues, which undermines majority rule, prevents issues from being settled, and empowers extremists because their votes are needed by the rest of their coalition. Societies should switch to a voting method that counts all of the head-to-head majorities.

    • @websoft9656
      @websoft9656 Рік тому +3

      Thanks for such an explanatory comment when others merely utter a few sentences and leave without making much sense. 👍🌹

    • @snarf1504
      @snarf1504 Рік тому

      Spot on about absolute vs relative adjectives, and how the difference can be manipulated by politicians, pundits, etc.

  • @brothermine2292
    @brothermine2292 Рік тому +103

    The Vulcans had some understanding of the Trolley Problem: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." However, the episode of The Good Place about the Trolley Problem posed a series of trolley problems of escalating moral difficulty... culminating in the question of whether to harvest the organs of a healthy person to save the lives of several medical patients suffering from terminal organ failures. Apparently the Vulcans oversimplified.

    • @annwe6
      @annwe6 Рік тому +4

      The healthy person should live....

    • @thl205
      @thl205 Рік тому +2

      I feel like the ethical thing to do would be not to waste our time on hypotheticals. These thought experiments are useful for philosophy students, but a waste of time for everyone else.

    • @brothermine2292
      @brothermine2292 Рік тому +19

      @@thl205 : Hypotheticals can become real, as illustrated by the examples of the sacrifices made to protect the British secret of the crack of Germany's Enigma code. It would be unethical to postpone considering hypotheticals until they become real, if a quick decision would be needed and there wouldn't be enough time to deliberate. Since philosophy students aren't a representative sample of society, the hypotheticals should be considered by other people too.
      The option of harvesting a healthy person's organs isn't hypothetical. But it's illegal, and it may be a case where we can accurately predict that most people would decide it's worse than letting the other people die.

    • @brothermine2292
      @brothermine2292 Рік тому +2

      @@annwe6 : Perhaps so, but providing your reasoning would be more helpful than only providing your conclusion.

    • @annwe6
      @annwe6 Рік тому +4

      @@brothermine2292 Thank you for asking. The healthy person should live because of fate.
      There could be multiple reasons why the organ failure people are ill, some may be self induced, but others may not. Or perhaps the healthy person has committed evil acts in their lifetime to the degree that some might consider them undeserving of life. However, to make a life or death judgement based on any of those scenarios would be playing God, and they weren't even part of your scenario.
      At the end of the day, why should the healthy person die? On what basis? It's the fate of the incurably sick to die, as it has been since the beginning of time. Also, killing a healthy person for the sake of several sick people is not a sane president to set. Think organ harvesting by the rich and powerful from the poor and vulnerable, for example.
      I'm not exactly thinking out of the box and I imagine most people would draw similar conclusions.

  • @heristyono4755
    @heristyono4755 Рік тому +53

    + Sir, a ship is about to be torpedoed.
    Churchill : Is that a British ship?
    + No, sir. It's Australian.
    Churchill : It's okay. They'll be fine.

    • @mr12aT
      @mr12aT Рік тому +1

      Exactly.

  • @daralic2255
    @daralic2255 Рік тому +5

    When you brought up the Australian Submarine incident….you can’t ignore that Winston Churchill on record did not like Australia so his justification for not warning the submarine can’t be taken at face value. His biases could’ve reinforced that decision.
    That’s the problem with utilitarianism…. It doesn’t account for basic bigotry in the decisions made.

  • @hungrymusicwolf
    @hungrymusicwolf Рік тому +105

    A great desperately needed explanation of how we misperceive power and corruption. I'd say that the situation is worse than it looks exactly because of these factors, but that's a different story.

    • @onemoreguyonline7878
      @onemoreguyonline7878 Рік тому +2

      This is why I am incredibly excited for the Oppenheimer movie in July.

    • @GEMSofGOD_com
      @GEMSofGOD_com Рік тому

      And then BT had put Obama on the thumbnail 😂 Have them even seen Vice? I'm not even talking about seeing facts from Noam Chomsky

    • @ev.c6
      @ev.c6 Рік тому

      If you are talking about the US, hidden corruption, e.g, money under the table in an envelope is very small. The US has lobbying groups to achieve what corruption would, but in plain sight. There is no need to pay politicians.
      That, with the electorate’s inability to understand politics and elect utterly incompetent leaders, such as Trump, doesn’t help to the case. This man lied and confessed on open TV lie a bunch of crimes. Politicians from both parties were openly shorting and selling stocks during the pandemic, using secret information to enrich themselves. Yet a couple of years later people simply forget all of this and they get re-elected.

    • @dennisgichohi5392
      @dennisgichohi5392 Рік тому

      Exactly.......because the ones in power have the exact idea how their corrupt decision affect people in the long run

  • @Sturgeon54
    @Sturgeon54 Рік тому +2

    There's a fifth mitigating factor. The concept that the most difficult-to-solve dilemmas with bad choices are always passed to the top person to make. Therefore, the top person will simply have to deal with nearly all Trolley problems and get the most people killed in comparison to everyone else.

  • @TremblingQualifier
    @TremblingQualifier Рік тому +9

    This video is simultaneously informative yet also strange. I think for most people watching, they just need to keep in mind that leaders are people too and whether they could handle the situation differently. In their venting, most non-leaders frustrated with leaders don't think about this enough. However, many leaders who do bad things simply get used to it and are not held accountable through the problem of learning. Most non-leaders shouldn't ignore repeated bad behavior, no matter how the system might facilitate it. Also, people often spend too much time adulating leaders and leadership. =

  • @wilforster7426
    @wilforster7426 Рік тому +36

    I think this idea some what ignores the reality of how people get into power, and what people are motivated to seek it. It is all well and good, to not admonish someone for making the better of two decisions, but maybe with a different person at the helm the situation could be entirely circumvented. Especially in a world where climate, and natural resource issues continue to ask the question of use/abuse.

    • @xooq_
      @xooq_ Рік тому +1

      not making a decision is a decision. you're wrong

  • @nofrost8031
    @nofrost8031 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @asokt4931
    @asokt4931 Рік тому +8

    I also feel guilt further corrodes because when we harm someone - it forces us to confront our shadows. Confronting our shadow is not easy and thus, we compartmentalization and use confirmation bias and other projections to protect the ego. In some sense - power does corrupt but power corrupts because it leads these decisions and the inability of our leaders to contextualize their guilt is what drives the corruption.

    • @AzEagletarian
      @AzEagletarian Рік тому +1

      It's probably a bit more complicated than your explanation.

    • @bloodcarnage8285
      @bloodcarnage8285 Рік тому

      maybe guilt is used as political lever age and they intentionally corr0de guilt. you have to trust human on his own guilt.

  • @2bfrank657
    @2bfrank657 Рік тому +17

    While it is necessary to scrutunise our leaders, I think we often underestimate the difficulties their jobs. No decision is going to please everyone, and the more decisions our leaders make, the more people they will upset. Some leaders have remained popular by sweeping problems under the rug rather than actually addressing them. Others have become very unpopular after having taken real action against big problems. I don't expect leaders to always make decisions that i like, but I DO expect them to act with honesty and transparency, and to explain their reasons for making the choices they make.

  • @henrys4338
    @henrys4338 4 місяці тому +1

    Successful business leaders operating at a large scale very often have to make descions that are tough, like descions not just between right and wrong, but between wrong and wrong. You have a responsibilty to keepp moving forwards, you also just have a descion to make full stop, and you have to take the heat of directing and ugly situation. So you need to be tough enough to get through the choice and come back for work the next day, you need to be able to push down your conciense to a degree.
    Sometimes it's even a descion of looking after others, or self preservation; and even before one can think logically about this situation, they'll already be skewed by a primal fear of danger. And so they'll avoid confronting the real problem and lie to themselves about it subtly to make it seem like a smaller problem, until they can ignore it.
    This is part of why leaders can often be corrupted by power. They are blunted to the consequence of their descions and forced to hone in on their objectives to move forwards. For the very ability for leaders of these massive corporations to exist, there has to be leaders that can make tough decions. That leads to openess to making imoral desicions.

  • @kevinkenney7483
    @kevinkenney7483 Рік тому +6

    please, in the future, state things correctly. Mr. Churchill did not cause the deaths of the individuals aboard that ship. The individual that ordered the attack did. Mr. Churchill did not attempt to prevent the attack for the reasons that you have outlined. please do not confuse these two things as being one and the same. to do so, discredits you as a journalist.

    • @daralic2255
      @daralic2255 Рік тому

      It was also not stated when he knew when the attack was going to occur after deciphering the code. Even if messaged the sub may not have been able to move in time.

    • @larryc1616
      @larryc1616 Рік тому

      Just semantics. Churchill knew but did nothing to warm them. Only a psychopath would allow civilians to 💀💀💀

  • @RobWert
    @RobWert Рік тому +2

    I feel like the audio levels need to be lower on the music by like 15-30%. Having trouble listening to the speaker.

  • @joevil6259
    @joevil6259 Рік тому +6

    Peter Thiel said a couple of years ago that a high majority of business leaders are sociopaths. The same goes for senior leaders in the military .That is not shocking to me at all. They deal with this "trolly problem" all the time and must still be able to sleep at night. In other words their conscience is not too much bothered by it.

  • @Jamer508
    @Jamer508 Рік тому +1

    Im not sure if it's my phone but it sounds like the audio mix has the background music louder than his voice.

  • @bob_the_bomb4508
    @bob_the_bomb4508 Рік тому +11

    I don’t believe that communications were that fast that Churchill could be in a position to save a single ship in the sights of a submarine.
    Indeed this same story was told about Churchill and the bombing of Coventry; a story which is more believable but was itself debunked several years ago IIRC.
    However it’s a good example of the trolley problem if we consider it more as a fable* than historical fact.
    * In it’s original sense as a cautionary tale.

    • @erik.hansen
      @erik.hansen Рік тому +3

      It's also incorrect to say that Churchill therefor caused the deaths of the people on that ship because he didn't divert it.

    • @chickenwarrior3067
      @chickenwarrior3067 Рік тому

      @@erik.hansenhe didn’t cause it but he could have easily prevented it

    • @theemirofjaffa2266
      @theemirofjaffa2266 Рік тому

      ​@chickenwarrior3067 yes he could, at the expense of thousands more or perhaps even millions. He didn't kill them, they just happened to be casualties in war, collateral damage.

  • @katherandefy
    @katherandefy Рік тому +10

    Solving problems proactively is something that most people are relatively thoughtless about. And that directly creates impossible situations where decision making and leadership get shoved all the way to the top in the rush to keep our own hands clean.
    Consider all the pointing fingers emerging from those so-called clean hands to be in need of far greater agency and experience in making decisions from the far safer environments prior to situational madness. Decision making is very simple at that level, before problems erupt. Try something and then study the effects then mitigate for all initial signs of trouble. Be responsive to easily hushed and quieted voices pointing out potential areas for improvements. Avoid secrecy thereby to increase trust and other collaborative supports.
    Not enough collectivism has a distinctly paradoxical effect on individualists. It makes them too dependent on people in power above them which rankles so they keep striving to find someone more willing to do their dirty work for them instead of learning from their own decision making with others.

  • @PowersBenzoCoaching
    @PowersBenzoCoaching Рік тому +2

    Well because they are. A huge part of their education is learning to lie and manipulate.

  • @johnbuckner2828
    @johnbuckner2828 Рік тому +16

    Realizing those in power need to make tough utilitarian calls sometimes doesn’t mean it should become the norm, and that we should all just become used to it; Or look the other way as they line their own pockets while greasing the wheels.
    Like a bunch of narco terrorists bringing money into villages and offering protection justifies their “ questionable behavior“ and we should all just turn a blind eye because it happens to benefit me in the short term, knowing how hard it is to predict long-term unintended consequences.
    There are limits to what we should get used to.

    • @mr12aT
      @mr12aT Рік тому

      Diplomacy is under utilised

    • @bloodcarnage8285
      @bloodcarnage8285 Рік тому

      be more liberal and dont judge people. it will all end up well.

    • @johnbuckner2828
      @johnbuckner2828 Рік тому

      @@bloodcarnage8285 but definitely make judgments on the character & decisions of those we’ve hired to lead the tribe.

    • @bloodcarnage8285
      @bloodcarnage8285 Рік тому

      @@johnbuckner2828 i prefer to trust people rather than trying to make them walk in thin line that caters to me as m0ral. or we can remove leadership method completely?

    • @johnbuckner2828
      @johnbuckner2828 Рік тому

      @@bloodcarnage8285 My wife trusts people, she sees the good in them and I love her for it; balances out my cynicism.

  • @kendralewis5883
    @kendralewis5883 Місяць тому

    I think the way in which it was worded is ✌️🏽off✌️🏽@3:40 - 3:54… can I see the research paper on this?

  • @juliaconnell
    @juliaconnell Рік тому +5

    ummm... unless you're a dictator - the _reality_ of world leaders making decisions is that there is a lot of work & people behind the scenes - yes politically they are responsible, but they are reliant of the work & advice of others, their knowledge, expertise etc. if a leader is wise, they will listen to the advice of others, experts in their field.

    • @JPKiers
      @JPKiers Рік тому

      Like the CIA and their owners.

  • @ussamahammed2.0
    @ussamahammed2.0 Рік тому +1

    what is the background music in this video called?

  • @theguanenonli
    @theguanenonli 5 місяців тому

    I’m so grateful that Philomena Cunk introduced me to this guy. Such an articulate speaker

  • @saliexplore3094
    @saliexplore3094 Рік тому

    Now I see that "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely" is rather simplistic.

  • @hklinker
    @hklinker Рік тому

    This should be required viewing/listening, especially for younger people. It frames realities that are so often ignored in the absence of complete information.

    • @Taunt61
      @Taunt61 Рік тому

      It's a stupid video justifying any means towards an end. O yea USA was right in using nukes cause it ended the war early. O yea Obama's drones kill all those innocent people so that terrorists are caught, because you know they 'may' kill even more people. Yada yada. There are better solutions. The leader's job is to find them. If you're not intelligent or resourceful, don't aspire to be a leader of nations.

  • @astrophe-cat
    @astrophe-cat Рік тому +3

    1:42 "[Churchill] caused the deaths of the people". And I thought it was the explosion from that torpedo or their subsequent drowning. Silly me...

  • @jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104

    I agree with this. I think it would be terrible to have great power and be forced to make terrible compromises and decisions that could turn out wrong.

  • @DrRimantas
    @DrRimantas 11 місяців тому

    How is the last leader published?

  • @grantm6933
    @grantm6933 Рік тому +1

    Churchill did not cause the deaths of those aboard the ship. The Nazis did that. Churchill did not act on knowledge might have saved them because the risk of doing so was considerably greater than the reward of saving them.

  • @smishdws
    @smishdws Рік тому

    great video and the full version is great, but the music in this one is too loud and distracting

  • @laurencedavey3121
    @laurencedavey3121 6 місяців тому

    You'd have a hard time finding a senior politician who any of this applied to. They all retire multi millionaires because to them there's only 1 trolley scenario - on one track their ability to make vast amounts of money for themselves and on the other, everybody else.

  • @thomaskositzki9424
    @thomaskositzki9424 Рік тому +1

    To see what horrendous decisions leaders have to make, go watch "The Fog of War - Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara". There you have exactly these discussions, only from a man who had to actually make these kind of decisions.
    One of the most informative and griping documentaries I've ever seen.

  • @ceefar10
    @ceefar10 Рік тому +1

    I mean I like it, except for the scrutiny part… I don’t think under any circumstances additionally scrutiny is in anyway mitigates corruption or abuses of power, as quite rightly put, if anything there should be more scrutiny. Furthermore taking it too far into account ignores the impact that those in power could have over media, and in turn the narrative around such scrutiny, which is notable imo. Nonetheless very interesting points to consider, is certainly something to ponder on.

    • @MichaelRicksAherne
      @MichaelRicksAherne Рік тому +1

      I don't think he was saying it mitigates corruption per se, just that it can be misdiagnosed as "power corrupts" when in fact Madoff was corrupt *before* he had power. (And that lots of instances of "power corrupts" might actually be just corrupt people, whether they had power or not.)

  • @Larsbor
    @Larsbor Рік тому

    ..Better at punishing bad leaders is a really impressive idear and something we yet have to see some day… it seems they always get away with alot of money even when acted completely abusive, illegal and unethical.

  • @funnytv-1631
    @funnytv-1631 Рік тому +5

    The godfather of habit building, William James, wrote:
    “To change one’s life:
    Start immediately.
    Do it flamboyantly.
    No exceptions.”
    Because our time is finite, there is no reason to wait. In fact, there is every reason to begin. When you decide on a change you would like to make, ask yourself: what is the first step?
    The entire vision of your ideal future is actually a series of first steps. They just happen to come one after the other. These are all moments you initiate. One little step at a time.

  • @seanransom6227
    @seanransom6227 Рік тому +1

    Regular people don’t have the individual power to end needless wars, the existential threat that is climate change, and an unjust system.
    It’s the trolly problem, but instead of saving the 5 ordinary people, they choose to save the one guy every time because he’s wealthy, and their constituent.

  • @setionos
    @setionos 11 місяців тому

    1. Dirty hands
    2. Learning
    3. Opportunity
    4. Scrutiny

  • @ayoolaayodejidavid638
    @ayoolaayodejidavid638 Рік тому

    Great thinking. Says my mind.

  • @twbishop
    @twbishop Рік тому

    @0:24 the trolley problem gets more complex with uncertain outcomes and probabilities.
    @3:38 this is why term limits are necessary and useful.
    note that as leaders of military and security institutions, leaders are instigators of violence. consider the iraq and ukraine wars.

  • @maxyogi
    @maxyogi 6 місяців тому

    Anyone whom chooses Whom is to be Sacrificed (A NECESSITY IN OUR WORLD) is seen as Horrible.
    But a Necessity Defeats Choice!
    Everytime.

  • @MaxVliet
    @MaxVliet Рік тому +1

    Ngl, this was a pretty poor take at why political leaders should be absolved of their wrongdoings...

    • @m0n4rch911
      @m0n4rch911 Рік тому

      Gonna take off the SJW hat for awhile and just give it to you raw and no rubber. Does EVIL exist in the political landscape? YES obviously and theres GOOD aswell so can you really be TOO NICE when your surrounded by sharks that would gladly have a piece of you. We can all dream we can just play nice with each other and hold hands but reality is the world is brutal like more brutal than the past eras and were even more brutal now and if were gonna make politcians liable of oopsies then there wont be any of them left coz every single one of us has different opinions. If we only have nice politicians i guarantee you 100% that whatever coutry that is will fall and as it falls its morals gets even more extreme and ultimately most will turn evil from desperation till it eats each other to survive. What you want is a politician who knows what hes doing and ready in a heartbeat to be the necessary evil so we dont have to.

  • @benah6192
    @benah6192 Рік тому

    Identification of the plan to save is a key component of this thought process. If one is exercising a deliberate intention of saving Millions, then it is safe to say s plan of interveneing is already underway. If there is no plan to intervene, then the status quo is set to continue indefinitely.
    The trolley car problem as an example whether pulling the lever, or continuing straight forward there are still People tied to the tracks, and it being a trolley car route, this means their is another trolley on the way. What is the plan to remove the tied People from the tracks?
    It's not just some sort of simple question about the saving of one or many, instead it's a contemplations that is controlled and directed. In turn People often miss the larger picture of a goal. Additionally if the lever is pulled on the side of the track as with this example on display, why not have that man pull the one off the tracks? Taking the clean route?
    Currently the United States of America is NOT interveneing in the lives of millions of People being tortured to death not just around the World, but here on AMERICAN Soil. If asked they have literally been doing this to AMERICANS for years. One of them sighting there are over 800,000 other men and women who the leadership of the Sacramento Branch know are TORTURING Civilians to death across the Country.
    Their plan? To keep all those tortured to death concealed, continue to torture to death all those being tortured but alive still, and without a plan of intervention with a date, and time, do so indefinitely into the foreseeable future. This includes everyone alive today but a toddler, who with the proper interpetation of time, is already a young adult being subject to the same until dead.
    The United States of America is currently the largest purveyor of TORTURE on Earth. Gathering Civilians in mass for the "entertainment" of TORTURING People to death. As sadistic ad this sounds this is factual and accurate.
    The issue American's are having with realizing this is the situation that occurred with Native American Nation's, and a musket. A Population only familiar with Bow, and arrow, when People start falling over dead with a hole in them, discovering what it is that caused it can take some time...
    This is the status of AMERICAN Civilians including Men, Women, and Children. They do not know how the HAVANA CUBA WEAPONS work, how they are fired, who is operating them upon them...but they see the "bullet holes" in many People. Yet because there is not metaphorical "arrow" they sit dumbfounded as to the cause of death in mass, and suffering.
    This status quo, the AMERICAN Federal,and State Government is not only comfortable with maintaining, but has plotted out the continuance of indefinitely.
    In turn if allowed to continue indefinitely, it is only a matter of time before the US once again reaches the numbers of 60,000,000 million People...and more, if done indefinitely without Truth shed on the subject.
    The planned date for INTERVENTION on behalf of American's right now? Never. That is the current leadership's plan for America.

  • @nameless5646
    @nameless5646 Рік тому +6

    That was a great video. Better said than i ever could have and a very important message for a lot of people who are frustrated with politics and opt to vote for populists.

    • @couchpotatoe91
      @couchpotatoe91 Рік тому

      Sadly exactly those people usually lack the critical thinking to understand this video. If anything, they'll look for one of their priest-equicalents and what they think about the video, then repeat what they heard.
      There's some people you simply cannot reason with and that's scary and frustrating at the same time.

    • @nameless5646
      @nameless5646 Рік тому

      @couchpotatoe91 you're not wrong but i feel like a lot of people, not just the hopeless ones, would benefit from seeing this video.

    • @couchpotatoe91
      @couchpotatoe91 Рік тому

      @@nameless5646 Definitely agree on that. Especially at this time where politics seems to devolve more and more into finger-pointing at the other side.

  • @contecrayononpaper
    @contecrayononpaper Рік тому +1

    I don't burn through tens of millions of tax dollars traveling from d.c. to Delaware and back every weekend because I can't seem to find a quiet room in The White House.

  • @akshayde
    @akshayde Рік тому

    So why is it difficult to just solve the imminent problem you know and let go of the uncertain ones and deal with the fall out when it happens

  • @vojislavduric5040
    @vojislavduric5040 Рік тому

    I am from Serbia part of former Yugoslavia. Bad stupid politicians, are the most popular both in my country and around the world

  • @carpballet
    @carpballet 11 місяців тому

    If someone, leaders included, are making decisions that hurt people, there is a good chance they are directly responsible for murder. Whether or not fewer people get killed/murdered is linguistic gymnastics. (In some cases we will never know). Therefore, some of these leaders are granted immunity from laws the average citizen is not. Where this immunity starts and stops is impossible to determine. In early 2024 this is a HUGE issue.

  • @Imhotep-the-7th
    @Imhotep-the-7th Рік тому

    There is always another option, there is always a simple inexpensive solution.. also making decisions that hurts the weak, the poor, the sick, the unfortunate is always evil..

  • @eyesontoast1105
    @eyesontoast1105 Місяць тому

    ultimately we get the leaders we deserve, because its up to every individual to put forward their own scrutiny of leaders. We create the system that allows and rewards bad leaders and bad options. One such misjudgement is allowing NO accountability.

  • @cutetiny6144
    @cutetiny6144 Рік тому

    We should punish no one If you could think a little further.

  • @Elaphe472
    @Elaphe472 Рік тому

    I find it so strange that many great videos have in the background noise and music that it is irrelevant to the subject matter.

  • @hwway4488
    @hwway4488 Рік тому +65

    Well, shocking as it may sound, leaders often are (by many objective measures) worse than regular people

    • @柯禮安G
      @柯禮安G Рік тому +11

      No.... we are all the same, just in a different position.

    • @hwway4488
      @hwway4488 Рік тому +16

      @@柯禮安G it’s often the same things that make them successful that make them terrible

    • @germsspices
      @germsspices Рік тому +11

      Thats a bold claim rather prone to availability bias. Do you have any empirical support to that argument?

    • @qtmomo
      @qtmomo Рік тому

      @@germsspicesplanned obsolescence isn’t illegal, un suspiciously coincide with guarantee expiration date
      No definitive measure against climate change (just post pone the problem) oil industry is doing great
      Companies are allowed to wrap things in plastics it’s okay for us to drink water that has more and more (micro) plastic waste in it (instead blame the people who buy it… go figure)
      Working less than 5 days a week isn’t the norm even though it’s proven to empower the employees and even makes them more motivated/productive
      Educational system keeps the majority of the people dumb
      Arable land are slowly being degraded due to over cultivation methods
      There are more examples but you get what I mean
      All of this favors only a few people with power and is debilitating 99% of the population
      If those in power are not selfish asshole, most of these problem wouldn’t exist but the top priority is probably the bottom line so yeah not their problems …

    • @ruzzcraze1862
      @ruzzcraze1862 Рік тому +3

      Bro probably never watched the video or just entirely skipped thinking.

  • @Prestrev1010
    @Prestrev1010 Рік тому

    Churchill didn’t “CAUSE” the deaths of those people aboard ship, smh, that’s crazy to say/think.

  • @tablet4170
    @tablet4170 Рік тому +1

    so we can actually say that the 2 nukes during WW2 was the best worst decition in order to end the war and save more lives?!

    • @LabGecko
      @LabGecko Рік тому

      No, we can't. That's the whole point. We weren't in the situation holding the switch, and attempting to put our view decades later on the person in the same moment is comparing apples to tomatoes. They might both be red, they are even both technically fruit, but no rational person would say they're the same.

    • @柯禮安G
      @柯禮安G Рік тому +1

      nope

    • @missyaman7053
      @missyaman7053 11 місяців тому

      Yes.

  • @proudhavenot
    @proudhavenot Рік тому

    Let's scrutinize those that designed the policies and the process that won't help those in need of healthcare, homes, and psychological help.

  • @ElCapitanDeLaNoche
    @ElCapitanDeLaNoche Рік тому +1

    “It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sumbitch or another." -- Capt. Malcolm Reynolds in Firefly

  • @aukalender
    @aukalender Рік тому

    I don't see how these factors are mitigating - 2, 3 or 4 are not mitigating at all.

  • @anmolagrawal5358
    @anmolagrawal5358 Рік тому

    Eh, except for the dirty hands problem, I am not really on board with the rest.
    Of course since they are in a position of power, the tolerances of malicious act would be much lower than for other individuals.
    Same goes for scrutiny. It scales accordingly and rightly so

  • @atkinarnstein7519
    @atkinarnstein7519 Рік тому

    Music too loud

  • @SedgwickMcAlaster
    @SedgwickMcAlaster 5 місяців тому +1

    Death buy act of war is not murder

  • @kendralewis5883
    @kendralewis5883 Місяць тому

    In some cases, they could have derailed the trolley. So, why did the trolley have to hit anyone?

  • @wilfredpeake9987
    @wilfredpeake9987 Рік тому

    If people realized the power structures that control them they would get super depressed

  • @lunganigumede6678
    @lunganigumede6678 Рік тому

    This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in my life. These people don’t become evil because of power, they’re powerful BECAUSE they’re evil

  • @user-kb8qw7dy4t
    @user-kb8qw7dy4t 11 місяців тому

    I'm not sure Winston Churchill's decision is a good example of the trolley problem, as his decision was essentially to do nothing but look the other way.

  • @muhammadmustafa2946
    @muhammadmustafa2946 Рік тому

    Makes me appretiative more how hard the job of the President of the United States is.

  • @greenvelvet
    @greenvelvet Рік тому

    All of this is meaningless when we know that politicians are in the pockets of big business, and that the people that they are supposed to serve are an aftertought.
    You can't have two masters, whose interests are in direct opposition

  • @mmarkusgaming
    @mmarkusgaming Рік тому

    corruption = greed + opportunity - control

  • @therealrodney8561
    @therealrodney8561 Рік тому

    Power is the most addictive drug that we have yet to develop a true immunity. Most humans want power much more than equality!

  • @steveguti6452
    @steveguti6452 Рік тому +110

    I would appreciate it deeply if anyone could pray for me I'm very Sick I'm suffering from long time illness please pray for me I'm suffering praying for everyone everyday God bless you all

    • @niranjanpaul2176
      @niranjanpaul2176 Рік тому +6

      God bless you

    • @jjohnston7837
      @jjohnston7837 Рік тому +24

      Go to church; this is not a religious platform.

    • @brucermarino
      @brucermarino Рік тому +3

      My payers....

    • @floyd9578
      @floyd9578 Рік тому +8

      Lol, drama queen

    • @vrz2000
      @vrz2000 Рік тому +11

      Sorry to hear about your sickness, but you’re presuming we all believe in a God…

  • @huzaifa-682
    @huzaifa-682 Рік тому

    reason #1: because they are

  • @markgrissom6107
    @markgrissom6107 Рік тому

    It seems to me, the bigger problem is what is good and what is evil. Are there universal principles at all?

    • @somnorila9913
      @somnorila9913 10 місяців тому

      Yes, greater good, meaning to have the interest of as many people as possible while sacrificing as little people as possible or their sacrifice be minimum for that goal to pull through. Pretty much species well being over anything else.
      The problem is not in making these type of choices but in keeping doing it again and again on the same path of logic without personal or societal corruption, because sooner or later the sacrificed on the cutting block will be you or people you care for, own supporters and such.

  • @internetprincess788
    @internetprincess788 Рік тому

    You guys should bring on Douglas Bloch.

  • @RoeRogan231
    @RoeRogan231 Рік тому +2

    This is ‘well produced’ and ‘pretty’,… but it is glib and scratches the surface poorly.
    The greater good theory cannot be used to vindicate murder without being able to see all future possible outcomes - which nobody can - and a thorough understanding of the history, which few people have.
    The dreaded Nazis were created in the first place by The treaty of Versailles and Churchill knew this was the case i.e. he knew his own people plus a few other big powers were the initial cause of the war, and still went ahead with it - not because he believed it was ethical,.. but for the money and power.
    Politicians make difficult choices, yes,.. to suit their own pockets and careers,… and come one - they are virtually never held to account. They can act with almost total impunity.
    A beggar on the street, who has no power or money, has way more difficult choices to make than a politician, because the beggars actions have real instant consequences that directly effect him.
    Politicians can do almost anything and get away with it. And this is because they have endless supply of tax payers money, to pay lawyers, to stay out of jail, no matter how terrible their deeds were.
    Also, in terms of foreign policy, its legally outside their home country jurisdiction, which means they can commit even bigger crimes.
    This video is misleading and puts a bandaid on a gaping wound.

  • @frankjennings4489
    @frankjennings4489 Рік тому

    To a mouse, Man is a tyrant. To a bee, he is the devil, and to a germ, he is Earth itself. It is easy for the weak to cast blame upon the strong.

  • @sethevans5318
    @sethevans5318 Рік тому

    I just watched a 6 minute video on why we shouldn’t just jump to conclusions.

  • @PresidentCamacho24
    @PresidentCamacho24 Рік тому

    The points leading up to the conclusion were relatable but the conclusion seemed rushed and empty.

  • @etb7856
    @etb7856 Рік тому

    I don’t see why the trolley thing is such a hard decision
    Obviously divert it to kill the one person instead of the many

  • @user-wt3bk9nl5x
    @user-wt3bk9nl5x 11 місяців тому

    No they're not. Nowadays politicians are self-serving only.

  • @bloodcarnage8285
    @bloodcarnage8285 Рік тому

    certified liar with integrity

  • @LantaeX
    @LantaeX Рік тому

    0:21 😅

  • @TheUnknown79
    @TheUnknown79 Рік тому

    Biggest thinkers empowered by trinity Is there any thinker to venture beyond trinity

  • @柯禮安G
    @柯禮安G Рік тому

    1:42 "He caused the death..." No, he did not, that's the point.

    • @prabhatp654
      @prabhatp654 Рік тому +1

      There's a saying in India that if you don't act during a crime when you are capable, you are a criminal too.

  • @thomaschase1719
    @thomaschase1719 Рік тому

    If you're in agreement that the arguments aren't currently applicable, your point is?

  • @Kokoras2000
    @Kokoras2000 Рік тому +1

    This video was not Big Think. It was Minimal Think. That's what I think.

  • @simplysunmoon
    @simplysunmoon Рік тому

    Very true and fair ❤️🌝🌛

  • @mikiallen7733
    @mikiallen7733 Рік тому

    Is there a way to turn your suggestions in to an AI-based algorithm which is ethical enough and responsible enough ?

  • @Masterfailure-b7i
    @Masterfailure-b7i Рік тому

    Being a guy in charge is honestly kind of shitty if you’re a decent person.

  • @SedgwickMcAlaster
    @SedgwickMcAlaster 5 місяців тому +1

    His comparison to Bernie Madoff is Ludacris

  • @blake-nw4pd
    @blake-nw4pd Рік тому

    Good video, but those you need to understand will never watch.

  • @carolmaplesden916
    @carolmaplesden916 Рік тому +5

    this guy is an enabler helping the ones who does not want to see and accept what is really going on in the world today

  • @twentyfourfps6315
    @twentyfourfps6315 Рік тому

    This is the bears have arms guy from Philomena Cunk Show.

  • @XOPOIIIO
    @XOPOIIIO Рік тому +2

    Music is too loud.

  • @zimpetrichor4919
    @zimpetrichor4919 Рік тому +1

    Ummmm you left out the fact that Winston Churchill sacrificed the lives of 2 million Indian citizens by forcing them into famine where they died of starvation in order to feed a few British soldiers. How does this equate with your reasoning?

  • @Piyushkaushal007
    @Piyushkaushal007 Рік тому

    Until they're leader they do every bad things
    After loss of leadership they became Saint and give lectures

  • @MyShyCats
    @MyShyCats Рік тому +5

    Wrong wrong wrong -Churchill did NOT cause the deaths on the torpedoed ship - Hiltler and the German Navy did. Failure to act does not make you the primary cause. It’s a secondary level of culpability.