The CONFUSING HISTORY of "Nice" GUY GARDNER | Backup Green Lantern
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- Опубліковано 11 сер 2020
- Guy Gardner is more than just the first backup Green Lantern to Hal Jordan he also has an interesting history when it comes to his personality. His DC comics career only really took off after his character was completely revamped! Find out what happened and why here on Casually Comics.
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Wait...Guy wasn't always a jerk?!?
A lot of people: Wait, there was a green lantern named Guy?
Still more people: Wait...there is a green lantern other than Hal Jordan?
Me: Kyle needs more respect.
Me: Agreed & same for Jessica Drew, Simon Baz... (just so many great lanterns out there to choose from :)
Kyle is my favorite too
@@amandak.5967 Alan Scott is my personal favorite. It’s the costume that does it. Love that high collared cape
Me: there’s a green LANTERN!? (If I ignore them they will just leave, a test of wills)
I’m “A lot of people” and “Still more people”
I've watched every appearance of Guy Gardner in media, and known about his decade plus long stint as a alien monster mash, but "Nice guy"?, that's something new!
It's a great read. If you can find the entire Justice League international run, it's probably my favorite comic of all time and well worth whatever it costs on eBay. It has so much heart, more than any other series I've read, with the exception of maybe longshot.
The friendship between Guy Gardner and John Stewart always intrigued me. I mean, the guy who doesn't follow the rules being buddies with the guy who (Alpha Lanterns aside) is all about the rules.
Its the classic busy cop duo.
It’s literally the OG buddy cop combo. The Straight-laced Good cop And the Wild Card!!
@@ignika84 What are they busy with?
@@GabePuratekutaeach other
I've found Guy Gardner an appealing character ever since his appearance in Legends, where he humiliated a pathetic would-be world-beater based on former Marvel editor in chief Jim Shooter (you should totally address that in the future Sasha).
The reason Guy is my favorite earthborn Green Lantern boils down to this: if the Green Lantern ring is powered by will, then it stands to reason that an extremely willful person who is both honest and fearless (thus an effective Green Lantern) might also be a raging asshole.
And even though Guy is a favorite, I admit he works best as a supporting cast member, there to serve as a contrast to another character, such as another Green Lantern or Justice Leaguer.
Poor ol' Guy suffering PTSD related personality disorders and everyone else is just laughing at his struggle.
Let’s be honest... the cast of the 80’s JLI is far more fun than the traditional Justice League with their perfect hair. Guy is the best hero with a bowl cut.
The only Green Lantern comic I've ever read features a squirrel-alien Green Lantern getting hit and killed by a car. I think that makes the squirrel guy my favorite GL.
That was at the end of the Mosaic world story, which starred John Stewart
@@pwlpc I do recall John Stewart being there. He seemed okay, but not as funny as I remember him being on TV.
@@Raatcharch Yeah. The squirrel Green Lantern is btw Ch'p and I put here the link to his DC fandom site: dc.fandom.com/wiki/Ch%27p_(New_Earth)
@@Raatcharch John is not as interesting in the comics as he was in the show
3rd Favourite Green Lantern, I agree with the writers that Macho Guy is better than nice Guy. Same way I feel about Jason Todd.
What’s your order for all green lanterns?
I can't list all because there's too many but top 10 is:
10. Mogo
9. Sodam Yat
8. Soranik Natu
7. John Stewart
6. Jessica Cruiz
5. Kilowag
4. Alan Scott
3. Guy Gardner
2. Kyle Rayner
1. Hal Jordan
I never liked Guy Gardner I haven't read any comics he's in unless it's a small appearance but in other media he is always too obnoxious and he gets on my nerves, I'd say Top 5 GLs in my opinion are #1 John Stewart #2 Kyle Rayner #3 Jessica Cruz (don't hate me I mostly just like her depressing backstory, and origin) #4 Hal Jordan #5 Kilowog.
Guy Gardner sucks and he is overrated
During his reformation arc (where he was retconned into having alien blood and non GL related powers) he was actually much better written. Before giving up the ring there was an issue where he and Hal went out together on a case and Guy was by far the better lantern. To be fair, this was during Hal's vilification arc but it showed the contrast between them really well.
Ah, Beau Smith goodness
I have a soft spot for Guy, especially when “he goes too far”. Give me bad Guy anytime. I also quite like Hal.
Manuel not only yes but hell yes. I have a soft spot in my heart for 90's comics and Guy a big reason.
At least Guy didn't commit mass genocide unlike a certain green lantern.
I like Guy as a DC hero who wants to do the right thing, but sometimes his ego and overall personality gets in the way.
Aw, I wanted you to talk about the time Batman flattened him with one punch and Black Canary complained because she missed it. Seriously, though, this is why I love your channel. I didn't know anything about Gardner's back story until now.
That was the same time as his Post-Crisis nice transformation. His ring (which he took off to prove that he didn't need cosmic power to beat up Batman) fell behind a desk and he bumped his head trying to retrieve it.
One punch!!! One punch!!!!!!
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My personal favorite lantern is Kyle, but I love Guy as well. However, whenever I think of Guy I also think of him being a Red Lantern briefly. I love it when any of the main Green Lanterns swap/change rings.
I honestly wish they kept it that way, because it really made their personalities shine and made them unique and different that way. It was great when Kyle was a White Lantern, Guy was a Red Lantern and I still wish they built up John Stewart becoming both a Pink/Violet Lantern and Green Lantern. But they never expanded upon it. It was wiped away once the new writer came in. It could have been a interesting concept.
Esteban Lora Guy being the Christmas Lantern made a whole lot of sense to me. It was cool seeing him wield Red and Green
Also, why is Kyle always the GL getting cosmic power ups? He becomes GL to stop Parallax, then powers up to Ion with that space face, eventually becomes the White Lantern. Still disappointed Kyle couldn’t keep the white lantern gig, that whole thing being Space Jesus was really cool.
So Guys existence is nothing but misfortune for everyone involved in his conception and subsequent revival? Jeez
A typical human green lantern
Honestly, I like Guy Gardner more than Hal Jordan. A character as flawed as Guy is much more interesting IMO.
Agreed!
Yep me too
Hal is also pretty flawed
@@markwalker3484 Hal wasn't flawed originally, but one writer after another decided to "add depth" to him by heaping flaws on him. Worst offender: Marv Wolfman, who had Hal refuse to help a world in crisis (Abin Sur's home of Ungara) because he wanted a little me-time.
Why do people always feel the need to tear down certain characters to prop their favorites. Guy is a great character in his own right, why the need to compare him to Hal to make a point that you like Guy better. I like them both, the first GL I was exposed to was Kyle and I never felt the need to compare him to the others. It's like someone saying "Kyle is my favorite and I like him more than Alan Scott". WTF
Lol. You brought up Hal's desire to be known for his aviation again. What a terrible line. 😂
Batman brave and the bold was my first introduction to Guy, and I loved his personality and thought the bowl cut was a plus.
I've been reading comics since the early 90s and I thought I knew it all but this channel always teaches me something new. And that's why I love it.
Keep it casual.
I like Guy. He certainly has more personality than Hal Jordan.
Kyle was Green Lantern when I first got into comics and I liked John from the Justice League cartoon. I haven't read enough of Jessica and Simon to really get an opinion.
I always liked them both. One is the lovable jerk, the other is the hotshot rule breaker. Never felt the need to tear down one of them to prop the other.
@@KalvinEllis I am starting to rethink my stance on Hal after reading the Geoff Johns issues, even if he is pushing the idea that Hal is the Greatest Lantern Ever a bit too much. Of course, the true Greatest Lantern Ever is Dex-Starr.
@@uncannyrman No no no, the greatest clearly is and always will be G'nort.
nu52 Guy Gardner is an ex-cop who was thrown off the force when they needed to blame someone for a failed attempt at stopping a bomber. Charles Soule wrote him with a lot of depth, balance, and dignity, even while he was a Red Lantern.
Was just noticing the other day that Hal, John, and Guy all started out as pure civilian non-combatant types, but have since had an armed forces / police backstory retconned into them.
The revamped Guy came along at the right time. The eighties had a lot of movie stars that were similar to Guy Gardner so it worked out well.
And I agree you should tell us about the whole Arisia situation.
Opinion: the Arisia situation tells us a lot about how we were still working out the details after the Sexual Revolution. Before the SR, the standard ethics on sex were pretty cut-and-dried: you wait until marriage, and anything prior to that is just wrong. The SR brought the notion in that whatever consenting people want to do, is fine. That's a really solid idea! But then you tug on the notion of "consent" and you start noticing that not everyone is equally capable of giving consent: people need to have more or less common levels of understanding, emotional maturity, and power for consent to actually manifest. It took a while for people to really get a handle on that, though, and the Arisia situation seems to indicate that Englehart and DC's editorial weren't quite there. That's why they weren't skeeved out by, "well she aged her body to an adult condition, therefore Hal can bang her in good conscience". (Geoff Johns retconned it as, while Arisia was only a teenager, those years were measured in her own planet's years, and a year on her world is lots longer than on ours, so she was really older than Hal.)
really hope she does a vid on the arisia stuff its very weird
The most interesting thing I know about Guy Gardner is for awhile he lost his Green Lantern ring and had to use Sinestro's evil ring (back before Yellow Lantern energy was a thing), and also for awhile Guy was a Red Lantern as well.
The thing I like about Guy is he is a jerk, but if you gain his loyalty and friendship he is ride or die. He is there for the people he cares for and will not break. Guy is the exact kinda character you want in a team series like the Corps. I liked him less solo. His best attributes come out when he's with people he cares about.
Guy’s creators regretting making him is so on brand
They should have just created John Smith or whomever he said. Steve Engelhart did a lot of work and got nothing out of it. That's messed up.
I think Guy really benefited from the GL retcon that made the ring's power based on willpower. Because while he's brash and rude, more than anything I'd say he's stubborn.
what was it powered by before?
I didn't like the half alien period of Warrior that much powerwise, but character wise that period was great. I would love to have seen Beau Smith get a chance to write the proper Green Lantern version of Guy. No writer ever seemed to "get" Guy as a character better than Beau. Only ever got to write "Warrior" Guy.
My favourite green lanterns are Jessica Cruz, John Stewart and Hal Jordan
The only Green Lantern I know little about. Excited to learn more!
I always loved Guy Gardner as the Green Lantern, he's really up there with Kyle Rayner and John Stewart and other Green Lanterns. Hal Jordan is at the bottom of barrel because he's usually a jerk and he's never aware of it or simply doesn't care or people rarely call him out on it, it's no wonder he became a villain, lol. I kind of wish you talked about Guy Gardner during the Geoff Johns era and in the New 52, where he was a former cop and he became a leader of the Green Lantern Corps and even became a Red Lantern. His nice guy attitude really shined at those moments and made me really love his character and those times his jerk moments where actually sarcasm moments to make humor out of the story. He was a great character threw out some time periods.
Ah yes. The only Green Lantern (Pre New52) with any trace of personality.
You don’t deserve Kyle Rayner, the Tim Drake of all the GL.
I have never in my life encountered a mild-mannered gym teacher.
I do love that with comics you can have characters start as one thing and be completely recreated
My favorite version of guy is him leading the red lanterns. It was fun watching his rivalry with Atrocious.
Guy Gardner’s a complicated character with an equally complicated history. But, for me, his defining moment is his knock em’ down, drag em’ out scrap with Batman. That is Guy got knocked down and dragged out with one friggin’ punch. Turns out Bruce does not do well with man-children-even when they’re packing power rings.
Guy my favorite Lantern. I loved his Warrior book.
I have to be honest my favorite Green Lantern has been Kyle Rayner because he was the first one I started reading about when I was young. But, now after reading Jeff Johns's Rebirth era until Robert Venditti's run, Guy has really grown on me. It really is his imperfections that fuel is will and that's what makes him such an important member of the Corps.
I'm a fan of the more iconic Gardner of Justice League. I lot of people just remember those comics for being humorous, but there is some nuance in those stories. I'm fond of that era and "bar owner on Oa" Gardner. I think I could do a whole "Cheers" style series where Guy runs an intergalactic watering hole. That role really fit him and I felt it was something they could have stayed with. It was a nice spot for him to exist while other characters in the echelon took the spotlight. I mean, we don't see Kilowog all the time, but you don't love him any less or forget his role as a trainer. All that to say...yeah. Love Guy. Probably my favorite Lantern.
“Did anyone like Guy? No. Does anyone care? No. Will they care if we change his personality? No” - Dan Didio
I swear that Guy has consistently become an even better character with every appearance since the start of the Geoff Johns run
I once heard Guy described as him showing up to help is like your dad picking you up from jail.
The most heart breaking thing is the guy who fixed guy and made him the character we all love or hate today and didn’t get any of the credit he deserves guy is up there as one of my favourite characters I love the fact he moons Batman
Guy is one of my favorite GLs. I wrote a paper on him in college. It was for abnormal psych class to be fair. He is just fun. I even have some of the Warrior comics still.
I loved Guy Gardner. I started reading during Crisis and then Justice League 1. I loved his battle with Lobo so much I bought the original art splash page of Justice League International 18. It shows Guy saying "IM BACK!!!!!!" after getting hit on the head by Lobo and reverting back to his nasty side
My main memory of Guy Gardner was one of the stories in "Greatest JLA Stories Ever Told" which had him trying to be leader of the league (Batman isn't having it). He talks about admiring Sylvester Stallone and one of the female members compares him (negatively) to Rambo.
All that issue did was convince me that the writer had never actually seen a Rambo movie or anything Stallone was in.
his arc in green lantern corps issue will always have a special place in my hearts
0:21 LOL! Wow, Batman really has a history with Green Lanterns disrespecting him, doesn't he?
My favorite is handlebar mustache Red Lantern Guy Gardner. The vest really pops in red.
Can we talk about the time Guy was the main character in Red Lanterns? That was a freaking great series.
Its so frustrating when a person gets the ownership of a character just for coming up with a name and basic look. But a different person will end up creating everything else about who the character is and what they are about and they don't get jack. Its kinda like the whole finger v Kane batman situation
I first met *Guy Gardner* in the issue of *_'Justice League International'_* where got decked by *BATMAN.* Knew absolutely nothing about him before that. I was in the process of leaving comics alone at the time. Rather peeved by the money making scheme of Annual Event Comics like _'Secret Wars'_ and _'Crisis on Infinite Earths'_ which seemed designed to either destroy comics or _'shake things up for a bit'_ to do stupid things for stupid reasons. It all seemed meaningless, without purpose, kind of dumb. I was also kind of poor and not buying comics regularly anymore as I began young adulthood. I remember when comics were as little as $0.25, $0.35, $0.50, $0.65, and $0.75... As money became tight, and stories became dumber, and comics climbed over a buck each and further toward two bucks each, I had to tap out as a _'starving college student'_ and beyond. Thanks for this history, I would not have learned any of this otherwise, I'm sure.
He was a perfect antagonist for all the traditional heroes on that classic early 90s run of JLI. He was just so damn infuriating and amusing at the same time.
Great find on the Englehart quote. He's not wrong either.
Tho if he's that mad about not getting any credit for Guy Gardner, I can only imagine how pissed off he must be about Mantis starring in three Marvel films and not getting anything more than a "created by" credit out of it. Yikes.
Great work as always!
DC Legends showed him in his smarmy glory, the epic fail against Batman in fisticuffs is one of the best scenes in DC history.
Guy is a lot of fun. I don't necessarily love him as a protagonist (Hal and Kyle are my favorites in that regard), but whenever he shows up in another character's story I always get a chuckle. He's just such a lovable asshole sometimes.
I love these videos. Diving into histories and comic reviews, reading bitter quotes and admiring Sasha's fashion. 😁
Thought it said "Dice Guy" and it would be about some dude who's power is... He's real good at gambling or some shit
Ok so your channel keeps popping up and I keep loving it, I'm subscribed
The real reason guy disintegrated was from the chili earlier
I will never forget John flashing Batman and saying “he needs to shave” LMFAO
I enjoyed it when he was powerless and going off on John Woo/Indiana Jones style adventures. For all of a few issues.
Beau Smith was great there, and had even given Guy an awesome supporting cast. It was also great that Mitch Byrd had hit the big time in comics, as he had been drawing Dinosaurs For Hire for Malibu a few years before.
I hope you do a history on John Stewart as he's my second fav GL (after Kyle Rayner) and I loved him in the Justice League cartoon.
Fun as ever, great job!
Guy's defining moment can be summed up in two words: "One Punch."
Nice guy Guy is played with in the Green Lantern animated series. He gets recruited when Hal us away for months, and becomes the favorite of everyone. Hal is not pleased.
I loved the Mitch Bird art and the run for Warrior. I wish they would have him retain his Warrior powers in addition to the GL ring and a Regenerated Sinestro ring. That would rock...
I always wondered what Ice saw in him and now I know. She got a nice guy before he became Guy Gardner again XD.
Gardner always felt like 3 distinct characters to me: nice Guy, arrogant douche, and now his brash but selfless modern take.
This was very informative.
As a separate note, I like nice characters but could see why nobody would trust an overly nice gym teacher. Sounds like more fuel for Seduction of the Innocent.
Taking a date to a Porno theater had to be a hat tip to Taxi Driver.
Thanks for the background info! I never knew any of that. Guy Gardner was a jerk when I was reading comics - so I never really followed his character. Good to know the whole story.
The best insult I ever heard was
"You think your a Clark Kent when your barely a guy gardener"
The brain damage changes her personality, rather the death experience changes him,
Comics and royalties can be strange. Did Rob Leifeld create Deadpool? The Deadpool we see today isn't the one he created. It's arguably a different character, just with the same look and name. So was it a co-creator? If so can someone 'steal' a character away from the creator by reimagining it? How do reimagines work if they become more popular than the original? Very interesting questions here.
Either this is a Time Travelling video or Deadpool fell off the wall and landed precisely where he was before.
Writers: Revamps a character's personality so he is essentially a new person, and consequently gives their company success
Company: LOL get bent
What's interesting is that that cover of Guy's 1st issue looks like modern Guy
It's never miss a vid, I truly thought it was never miss a bit! Wow! Mind blown. What was the video about again?!.. Guy Gardner, got it!!!
I’m so mad no one ever talks about that Swamp Thing issue where Guy murders an alien mother
Last I read about Guy, he kicked Astrocitus' ass and became the new Red Lantern leader
The was either just before or after new 52. He is back to being green again. Has been for awhile.
@@blackrazer22 was well fuck. I liked him as a Red lol
They have done Guy so dirty. He and Kyle were my faves. Kyle got a lot of character development. But tbh, Guy only gets to be a stereotype for most writers.
I always ran ether hot or cold with Green Lantern in general. I always liked John Stewart cause of the Justice League animated series. My favorite Green Lantern was Alan Scott of the Earth 2 run of comics.
Alan’s great, but he’s such a prude. The way he treats Liberty Bell after her losing her powers is heaps inappropriate and he didn’t have a right to say what he did.
Not to mention he’s not the best father out there. Drove his son to kill a lot of people, that was a whole thing.
Josh O I meant the Alan Scott of the 2012-2017 Run of Earth 2 that ran with the whole New 52 run.
Horson Welles wait... for real?
Well, to each their own I suppose
As a die hard Green Lantern fan, I'm very proud to say that I detest, despise, and loathe literally everything about this character and that it would be a joy to see him retconned completely out of the DC universe and never mentioned again. He's a bigger stain on the Corps than anything ever done by anybody just by virtue of his ignorance and his temper.
The bitterness proved this was a real comic story Sasha - solid proof.
Nice move with the green Nail Polish while talking about Green Lantern, it was a nice touch ^_^
As for Guy... Kyle Rayner is my GL, but I respect both Hal and John. Guy is kinda my... if we have to have a GL and can't have anyone else... sure... why not.
General Hospital, the soap opera, did something similar. They took Jason Quartermaine, nice guy and future doctor, gave him a dramatic brain injury, and ever since has been Jason Morgan, bad ass and expert gunman! At least he was never a jerk, hahaha!
Guy “I’m going to drop my ring, and challenge Batman! You know master of all martial arts to a fist fight cuz that’s a smart idea.” Gardiner
Dementor is the one who causes Guy to switch between personalities since de very first time
You need to do a review of Gnort!
John Stewart is the only Green Lantern that's actually a likeable character
He is my favorite superhero. His personality screams "Murica"
It was only a matter of time before our whims took us here...
Hey, Sasha. I don't read comics and was wondering if you would consider doing a vid on Reverse Flash. All I know is that he really hates Barry, but I'm still interested in him.
There's an issue of Swamp Thing (a crossover with the Alien Invasion event, I believe) where macho jerk Guy was responsible for the death of an alien who had come to Earth looking for its long-lost mate (who had appeared in an issue of the original ST series). I never have forgiven Guy for that.
Guy is a gardner
He gardens guys in his guy garden.
I mainly know Guy from the Batman: Brave and the Bold cartoon. That series had a fun relationship with legacy characters. There would be a "main" version that would appear if we just needed "a Green Lantern" or "a Flash" or "a Blue Beetle" but sometimes another version would appear.
Ok please cover the warrior series. It looks wild
I never liked Guy Gardner.
I liked it when Batman decked him.
"One Punch! ONE PUNCH!" X-D