@@diegopansini3152 Well, she was around long before that show, but yeah, I did like their version of her! Which was basically copied outright by the Batwoman tv series...BTB was grossly underrated, IMO!
The tragedy of the How and why she allowed herself to be compromised is something that needs to be played up more. The seduction, loneliness, envy, shame....of being granted “power”
@@Hynotama No problem. What I am saying it has always been implied that Dr. Minerva during her research of the GOD that she accidentally unleashes, starts to to descend into melancholy, sadness, jealous and envy. I mean why would a professor who devoted her life to truth and science allow herself to cursed in such a hellish way? It is implied that she could have stopped this event from happening, but we never have seen the moment where she allowed her emotions to override her common sense.
Perhaps a Hot Take, but the Rebirth origin for her is by far my favorite take on the character. They set up all the tragedy by having Diana's Bestie/Etta's Girlfriend being tricked into becoming the Cheetah, but then they go for the extra knife twist of her having to resubmit in order to save the lives of the woman she loves and the man Diana loves. It's heartbreaking.
I feel the post-Crisis Cheetah's origin story (told in Wonder Woman #28-29) is the best one. It doesn't have the "we were friends, but now we're enemies" angle, but makes up for it by being a bloody good story: the expedition, the jungle drums, Barbara having to stab her colleague who trusted her to death and drink his blood, the ritual, her transformation ... That story would make a really great movie.
As with Etta Candy, Marston was fond of surnames which were extremely...on the nose. Another WW villain was named Percy Playboy, and this was apparently his legal name. Weirdly, though, "Rich" is a much more normal-sounding name than "Minerva".
There’s something I like about each version of Cheetah’s origin. Post Crisis- I liked that her powers were made mystical unlike the previous Cheetahs. I liked the ritual, yes even the virgin part. I feel like her being punished for not being a virgin was intentionally sexist because a lot of rituals are sexist like sacrificing a virgin etc. New 52- I liked her having a closer relationship with Wonder Woman and her growing up in an Amazon worshiping cult. It gives her more of a connection to Wonder Woman and feels more organic as to why she hates her so much. Rebirth- I liked her being friends with Diana and helping her out when she first comes to “man’s world.” I liked how her becoming Cheetah was a tragic thing and Diana feels guilty (even tho it wasn’t we fault) for her transformation and feels responsible to help her.
I like the virgin part too. It was a thing in many horror stories. It is also a something a character genuinely would not have considered before doing the ritual.
Rylan Vanacore exactly! The fact that she was apart of a realistically sexist ritual emphasizes feminist themes because it shows the impossible standards women have to live up to. How can anyone consider a story feminist if you don't show the sexist stuff the hero stands against in the first place?
@@blackrazer22 Was that before or after the movies she showed up in? I understand it may be hard to find someone who looks *just* like her, and who wants to pass up on the great actresses they DID get, but still...I wonder if that was the comics trying to copy the movies (which were both reviled) or just...changing things for no real reason? But since we're talking crossovers, Amanda Waller vs Black Mariah would be...interesting to watch.
@@HandofOmega This was before the movie. I think they only did the movie because the comic got popular and DC wanted a guardian of the galaxy vib moive.
Until you did these videos about Cheetah. I always thought that it was always the same woman. Like she was just a cheetah themed villain in the golden age. But later became a furry. So thank you for the information Sasha.
As someone who didn't get into Wonder Woman comics until the New 52 era, I really liked her origin there, though I did prefer the alteration for Rebirth. I like my villains very well connected to my heroes, at least the big ones.
I liked her in the show a lot! It's also awesome she was voiced by a Sheryl Lee Ralph. But thinking back on it... the origin reminds me a lot of Doc Ock, Dr. Connors, Poison Ivy.... lots of negligent scientists here turned villains. It makes the magic story arc feel more unique.
Current Cheetah: I turn into cheetah woman who usually wears... NOTHIN' AT ALL! NOTHIN' AT ALL! NOTHIN' AT ALL! Stupid, sexy Cheetah! (I blame Lola Bunny for these thoughts! Wait, both Lola and Cheetah have something in common, both were played by Kristen Wiig, it's all connected maaan.)
Comics are Weird. She's dedicated her life to trying to prove the Amazons exist, and is still treated like a nut job... even after the world knows about Wonder Woman.... who is an Amazon....
@@HandofOmega Nope Superman put an end to that. Now Marvel is an interesting case. Even into the 80's youd get panels of people making fun of someone for believing in aliens. Then there was that storyline where I forget if it was the Kree or Shiar turned Earth into a prison for alien criminals. So now I think everyone accepts the concept.
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@@nooctip Well, sort of. There are UFO conspiracy theories in DC but they are more on the nerv of "are they evil?" instead of "do they exist?"
Yes! I loved the New 52 version of Cheetah! Honestly I felt she was the best one and she had a better character development with Steve Trevor in Forever Evil. It really disappointed me when they redone her origin in Rebirth and made it more convoluted than the previously one. I prefer Cheetah to be more of an associate than a friend. The friendship angle I feel ruins it. Thanks, for telling us about the activist Cheetah and Pre-new 52 Cheetah. I never knew about those versions. I also can't wait until you do the male Cheetah lol.
Although you likely mean people in comics, weirdly, I'm not interested in furries (furrys?...🤔), but, I couldn't honestly say that a female with right attitude/body/voice wouldn't be attractive to me... (Unless she's like a human-spider hybrid... Then I'll have to kill her...😅)... It's kind of like how most people want nothing to do (intimately...), with people who aren't their type, & yet, a lot of them, if the right person f that type, came along, that's EXACTLY whom they end up with...
Does this mean we get to learn about male cheetah? Lol I like these series. Learning about variations of villains with the same name is pretty interesting, especially since some are not as focused on as the heros.
In any timeline, it's not easy, being Cheetah-y. The only thing I liked about the latest incarnation was that it gave Barbara Minerva a more realistic personality that played into her motivation. Also, always wondered if it was Hypolita that saved toddler Donna Troy from the orphanage fire post-Crisis. But that's a different video and/or can of worms. Hypertime, anyone?
@@legoking6165 I guess just depends on the media. Cheetah monster for modern stuff but I do like to see a throw back to the Cheetah costume in old media/modern Earth-2 type things
I showed this video to my wife after we watched WW84 (my wife isn't a comics reader but enjoys the movies). It answered some of her questions that came up during the movie & she appreciated this video & your channel. Thanks, Sasha...hope you had a great Christmas!
@@Ironlantern723 but, isn't there a Batman & a Superman over on Earth 2?... So why would they need to differentiate between the two, unless they're saying that somehow Batman is immortal, so as such could've easily been golden age Batman, & still be modern Batman... Wait... Maybe Batman took Wonder Woman's immortality!!!...😱 How wrong of him!!!... (Kidding, I'm just a bit confused is all... I'm more of a Marvel guy anyway... & yes, I know they have their own continuity problems, especially since I'm a fan of the X-men...)...😂
I love Barbara especially the Rebirth version (not entirely a fan of most Wonder Woman stuff in New 52, well its complicated). Even though they basically fused Barbara and Julia. I felt it made her more unique and interesting. I especially love the design, reminiscent of the JL animated series look. Even though Cheetah is seen as Wonder Woman's arch nemesis, I'd argue in Post Crisis that was Circe.
Holy attention to detail Casual Woman! I have been a few reboots shy of a deck with many characters in recent years and this is a good way to see the current state of affairs. Impressive work.
This was a really good video Sasha! I mean I enjoyed learning about the character, origins, and different versions ... But really sold me is how using a simple Wonder Woman character, you are able to explain all of DC madness of various "crisis" events. I learned a lot. Thanks!
Very good video. Rucka's Cheetah is great. He knows how to write her relationship with Diana. And keep the Doctor Who reference coming. Hey, maybe you could do a video about The Doctor at comics.
I wanna see a Marvel/DC x-over, where Cheetah and Tigra are off in the background, not fighting, but just hanging out and knocking back mai tais while ranking superheroes' butts...
Why not add Cheetara (probably misspelled that...) from the Thundercats into the mix as well to complete the trifecta?... (Though I guess that wouldn't be fair as, technically, it'd be two cheetahs against a tiger...)...🤔
I remember reading the Perez run a while back (I was here for the drama). Cheetah was cool, I could've done without her walking stereotype sidekick though.
Several things: 1. In the New 52 Green Lantern also kept his continuinty. 2. I´m TIRED of Cheetah. Sick of her actually. I get that they wanted to flesh out the character in Rebirth because of the movie. But then she kept coming back all the time. One my favorite Wonder Woman villains, and villainess in general, is Giganta. And they don´t use her AT ALL. Since New 52 she appeared on a Wonder Woman story (way later in Rebirth) at it was as allies. I get that having to write a character like that can´t be easy. But FIND A WAY! I mean, Wonder Woman doesn´t have many villains (mostly because writers don´t go back and use the ones she already has or create new ones -with the exception of First Born that was AMAZING. Yet, having Giganta as a very recognizable Wonder Woman enemy ans she´s nowehere to be found. I´m praying to the gods she gets to appear in the third WW movie. 3. I´m glad you talked that way about WW´s "retcon" in Rebirth since they didn´t erase New 52 either. They left it ambiguous. So much so, that later in Rebirth they´ve brought back elements from it and to this day Hera is a member of the Quintessence taking the place of Zeus who was killed and looks like her New 52 version. 4. As for Cheetah´s virgin origin I see nothing wrong with that. It´s still a thing in some cultures. And even in Western countries, while not something to be a shame, to loose your virginity is a bid deal in women and men. ...if anything, and they decided to change it, I would have made it as if she wasn´t pure of soul. 5. On another thought, I think that it will be revealed in the WW84 that the stone that grants Maxwell Lord´s powers comes from Urzkartaga. PS Please do a video on that Superman story. Didn´t know that it was because of legal issues that they handled the character that way in New 52.
Changing it so she "wasn't pure of soul" would have made it even worse. It would just come across as a euphemism and the story would then outright be saying that non-virgin women aren't "pure of soul."
@@Tsukiakari-qb3tk *euphemism:* n. A mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing
here is a video idea "Wait is that...?" in the DC movies there are side characters with small lines like maybe Catman in the intro to justice league and who was that woman in red when Wonder Woman beat up the robbers? maybe even people like who was the guy working for LEX in the movie? is he in the comic? also I'd love to know more about Veronica Cale and Catman :)
Sasha - you titled this accurately - very confusing. And it's DC fault on the whole, not just with this character. The Post-Crisis/New 52/Rebirth conflicting continuities.... :: groan ::, What were they trying to accomplish? It drove me from collecting their comics. Would love to hear a deep dive on the reasons.
Hello! I just want to tell you thank you for this awesome video on cheetah. I wanted to know more about her and this was great. Also super happy that I was able to track down of issue 29 of WW and I wouldn't have known about it if it weren't for you and this vid. Thanks again, love these vids. ^_^
Really like the videos you post. A lot of fun information I knew and more I didn't know. Since you did a video on Tigra, might I ask if you have considered the Marvel hero TIGRA for a video ?
I like the whole scratching out a sometimes other Cheetah bit. Reminds me of a Werewolf or Zombie infection. Can do a post apocalyptic storyline with that.
This is a good presentation of the Cheetah character from the Wonder Woman comics. For one you split to three videos to present the details in the different ages or eras. It also helps people have some details of the character for people who are not familiar with the details of the character. I know who is Wonder Woman but I do not all the details of her stories since I tend to be more of a Batman reader so I know more details of Batman his villains supporting characters etc. Hope you do more of these videos to introduce the characters for those who may not know all the details.
This newer Cheetah (the cat god version) reminds me of the DC/!mpact comics hero The Jaguar (sorta the Archie line of superheroes, but revamped in the 90s for DC, the later rebooted a couple more times).
I don't have a problem with the virgin sacrifice angle. It's a common trope for a reason. Although the friendship angle is much better. Plus that was a really good comic. Read it when it was coming out new.
I might be in the minority here, but I actually really liked Hippolyta as WWII Wonder Woman. I liked that she hooked up with Wild Cat, and her story arch in the Worlds at War story line made me cry. Do a Polly (that's what Ted called her) video, Sasha! is a cat plant god a catnip plant? My fav, Rebirth, I was totally into BA and Etta :)
An issue I have with Minerva Cheetah is just that she often kinda hits the Uncanny Valley area for me. She doesn't look like an anthropomorphic cartoon cheetah, but she also doesn't look like a person in a cheetah-style costume. I'm not a huge fan of it personally, but she's one of the few in Wonder Woman's Rogues Mantlepiece (too small to be a gallery), so I'll take what I can get!
I liked it better when Cheetah was from the island of the themascara that was basically a disgrace warrior Who was poised to take on a metal of wonder woman but was found out to be cheating in the Warriors game and Wonder woman’s mother banished her From the islands
Marvel and DC have retconned their universes and characters so many times it's almost impossible to keep up without comprehensive spreadsheets! It's honestly one of the big reasons I stopped collecting comics in the mid-90's. Regardless, I am looking forward to seeing Cheetah in the new Wonder Woman movie (although I likely won't be seeing it in the theaters, considering COVID).
Cheetah is beginning to remind me of Maureen Ponderosa from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, who used Dennis' alimoney money to fund her surgical "transitioning" into a full-on cat, moreso with every appearance!
I like both the John Ostrander´s New 52 origin (its just one issue, the forever evil´s villain month special) and Greg Rucka´s Rebirth origin, despite of them beign so different. Mixed feelings!
Barbara Ann Minerva from the Perez WW is THE Cheetah. Such a great story, love the African Shaman story line and the blood thirsty Cheetah. So excited to see it on the big screen 🐯
I am a super huge, ginormous, fan of cheetah, I consider her my favorite character of all characters and I am attempting to collect every single cheetah comic from silver and bronze age to present day. But I will say you have done an excellent breakdown kudos to you. I am very reserved to see the new WW movie as they corrupted the entire backstory of cheetah but I love a good break down
Great video. I only wish you could've worked in a reference to "Now please, may I see your girdle?" -- possibly the greatest line from George Perez's run on WW from the late 80s. (See "Blood of the Cheetah", WW #9, 1987)
I'm still a bit confused about that whole situation when it came to certain characters on the DC roster... Why were so many of them blocked from being on that cartoon?!?...🤔
@@brettpugh7898 That was supposedly because they were afraid the Human Torch would inspire children to immolate themselves (which I think actually happened in an issue of FF!)...I didn't hear about Catwoman, but since they already had at least one Batman villain, I doubt that was the *only* reason for Cheetah...Although, looking at the rest of her RG, can you imagine Dr. Psycho on Superfriends?? LOL
So I have a question, who was the Amazon that came second to WW in the competition that was to determine who would go to man land? I'm pretty sure I heard something about that Amazon, or maybe I'm just mixing things up. Help!
Was that Artemis, with long reddish-blond hair? I think she became a villain protagonist for awhile, and even claimed the mantle of Wonder Woman for a time, similar to Azrael-Batman...
Old cartoon in Playboy: An Aztec preist says to his King, "The March of the Virgins will have to be cancelled/ One is sick and the other one refuses to march alone."
Of course she wants Wonder Woman's golden lasso. It's shiny AND string.
Honestly mood
Has Magpie ever gone after it?
@@HandofOmega A fan of Beware the Batman, I see. "Shiny, shiny..."
@@diegopansini3152 Well, she was around long before that show, but yeah, I did like their version of her! Which was basically copied outright by the Batwoman tv series...BTB was grossly underrated, IMO!
@@HandofOmega Yeah, I'm aware. BTB probably had the best incarnation of the character, for sure
I'm not exactly a connoisseur, but the ancient ritual sounds more interesting than generic cursed dagger.
The tragedy of the How and why she allowed herself to be compromised is something that needs to be played up more. The seduction, loneliness, envy, shame....of being granted “power”
@@saturncrush I have absolutely zero idea what you're trying to say. Also sorry for the late reply. GarbageTube doesn't notify.
@@Hynotama No problem. What I am saying it has always been implied that Dr. Minerva during her research of the GOD that she accidentally unleashes, starts to to descend into melancholy, sadness, jealous and envy. I mean why would a professor who devoted her life to truth and science allow herself to cursed in such a hellish way? It is implied that she could have stopped this event from happening, but we never have seen the moment where she allowed her emotions to override her common sense.
@@saturncrush that's actually an interesting point.
Everything about the Pre-Flashturd/New Poopy-2 continuity is superior to New Poopy-2's generic edgelord poo poo platter
So the ritual required a virgin but she be cheetin?
I'll see myself out.
LMAO
LMFAOOOO 😂
THIS
Nice!
Purrrrfect.
They can say the New 52 was caused by the Watchmen, but in my heart I will always blame Barry Allen.
I don't blame Dr Manhattan or Barry... I blame editorial
Porque no los dos?
Blame dan didio.
Dr. Manhattan just wanted to do “It was me, Barry”
"The cheetah plant god is into human sacrifice."
"Fair enough."
"And he'll only marry a virgin."
"The monster! We can't have that in our story."
Instead of the god being mad that she's a virgin, he should be mad that she's a vegetarian.
marsupius yeah that could make sense
Perhaps a Hot Take, but the Rebirth origin for her is by far my favorite take on the character. They set up all the tragedy by having Diana's Bestie/Etta's Girlfriend being tricked into becoming the Cheetah, but then they go for the extra knife twist of her having to resubmit in order to save the lives of the woman she loves and the man Diana loves. It's heartbreaking.
I feel the post-Crisis Cheetah's origin story (told in Wonder Woman #28-29) is the best one. It doesn't have the "we were friends, but now we're enemies" angle, but makes up for it by being a bloody good story: the expedition, the jungle drums, Barbara having to stab her colleague who trusted her to death and drink his blood, the ritual, her transformation ...
That story would make a really great movie.
Wasn't that already The Leech Woman?
Priscilla, the estranged cousin that Richie never speaks of...
As with Etta Candy, Marston was fond of surnames which were extremely...on the nose. Another WW villain was named Percy Playboy, and this was apparently his legal name.
Weirdly, though, "Rich" is a much more normal-sounding name than "Minerva".
@@johnburt7935 For my money, NOBODY tops Jack Kirby's "Baron Von Evilstein"! (and his appearance totally lives up to his name lol)
@Skye Dragon7 Howard was dead.
There’s something I like about each version of Cheetah’s origin.
Post Crisis- I liked that her powers were made mystical unlike the previous Cheetahs. I liked the ritual, yes even the virgin part. I feel like her being punished for not being a virgin was intentionally sexist because a lot of rituals are sexist like sacrificing a virgin etc.
New 52- I liked her having a closer relationship with Wonder Woman and her growing up in an Amazon worshiping cult. It gives her more of a connection to Wonder Woman and feels more organic as to why she hates her so much.
Rebirth- I liked her being friends with Diana and helping her out when she first comes to “man’s world.” I liked how her becoming Cheetah was a tragic thing and Diana feels guilty (even tho it wasn’t we fault) for her transformation and feels responsible to help her.
I like the virgin part too. It was a thing in many horror stories. It is also a something a character genuinely would not have considered before doing the ritual.
Rylan Vanacore exactly! The fact that she was apart of a realistically sexist ritual emphasizes feminist themes because it shows the impossible standards women have to live up to. How can anyone consider a story feminist if you don't show the sexist stuff the hero stands against in the first place?
@@briannalee1998 Do you listen to yourself when you talk?
@@briannalee1998 Yes especially the male Cheetah didnt need to be a virgin. Sasha has another video about this and criticizes that point.
It looks like Etta Candy grows up to become Amanda Waller.
Ironically they made Amanda Waller thin in the new 52.
@@blackrazer22 Was that before or after the movies she showed up in? I understand it may be hard to find someone who looks *just* like her, and who wants to pass up on the great actresses they DID get, but still...I wonder if that was the comics trying to copy the movies (which were both reviled) or just...changing things for no real reason? But since we're talking crossovers, Amanda Waller vs Black Mariah would be...interesting to watch.
@@HandofOmega This was before the movie. I think they only did the movie because the comic got popular and DC wanted a guardian of the galaxy vib moive.
wELL DUH, Obviously Etta is a metamorph! or is shapeshifter the PC term these days ;)
@@blackrazer22 remember, Amanda Waller was also in that horrible Green Lantern movie!
Until you did these videos about Cheetah. I always thought that it was always the same woman. Like she was just a cheetah themed villain in the golden age. But later became a furry. So thank you for the information Sasha.
LMAO A FURRY
As someone who didn't get into Wonder Woman comics until the New 52 era, I really liked her origin there, though I did prefer the alteration for Rebirth. I like my villains very well connected to my heroes, at least the big ones.
I like the JLU origin. She was a genetics scientist and used herself as a test subject.
That origin is fine, but it kind of distances her from Wonder Woman to make her powers science-based rather than mystical.
I liked her in the show a lot! It's also awesome she was voiced by a Sheryl Lee Ralph. But thinking back on it... the origin reminds me a lot of Doc Ock, Dr. Connors, Poison Ivy.... lots of negligent scientists here turned villains. It makes the magic story arc feel more unique.
Too generic and too distant from WW.
Current Cheetah: I turn into cheetah woman who usually wears... NOTHIN' AT ALL! NOTHIN' AT ALL! NOTHIN' AT ALL!
Stupid, sexy Cheetah! (I blame Lola Bunny for these thoughts! Wait, both Lola and Cheetah have something in common, both were played by Kristen Wiig, it's all connected maaan.)
Yeah
Have you done videos on “DCeased: Unkillables” yet? Because Cheetah is precious there. “Good kitty.” “Only SHE can call me that.”
WhiteRaven696 She made a video covering the first issue, but nothing beyond that so far.
I loved the "Good kitty" line so much. RIP
KARMA Kapone I hate that it happened right before she dies, too. 😭😭😭
@@WhiteRaven696 it broke my heart😢😭
@@MADLADCOMICS Her and Solomon got done dirty
I'm interested to know more about Hippolyta time as the Golden Age Wonder Woman in the post crisis continuity as it's rarely mentioned or discussed.
And who was queen of the Amazon's if hyppolyta was being wonder woman?
@Dean Bromerg she had time traveled from the present, so still her
we really need merch" that says at the time of this recording"
It's sad how the heroes always fail with friends but still never give up trying to save them!
Comics are Weird. She's dedicated her life to trying to prove the Amazons exist, and is still treated like a nut job... even after the world knows about Wonder Woman.... who is an Amazon....
It was before the world knows about WW.
@ I forget that such a period exists, thank you
I wonder if DC/Marvel has UFO conspiracy theorists, like we do...
@@HandofOmega Nope Superman put an end to that. Now Marvel is an interesting case. Even into the 80's youd get panels of people making fun of someone for believing in aliens. Then there was that storyline where I forget if it was the Kree or Shiar turned Earth into a prison for alien criminals. So now I think everyone accepts the concept.
@@nooctip Well, sort of. There are UFO conspiracy theories in DC but they are more on the nerv of "are they evil?" instead of "do they exist?"
This the one with 4 different origins right? Def the coolest design so far, this is the one in DCSHG
I liked the friendship angle they went with for Barbara and Diana. And I liked Barbara becoming a literal cheetah-woman starting post-crisis.
Yes! I loved the New 52 version of Cheetah! Honestly I felt she was the best one and she had a better character development with Steve Trevor in Forever Evil. It really disappointed me when they redone her origin in Rebirth and made it more convoluted than the previously one. I prefer Cheetah to be more of an associate than a friend. The friendship angle I feel ruins it. Thanks, for telling us about the activist Cheetah and Pre-new 52 Cheetah. I never knew about those versions. I also can't wait until you do the male Cheetah lol.
Esteban Lora yeah that whole Friendship angle is repetitive
Cheeta forgets that some people are into human-animal hybrids and find it hot.
Although you likely mean people in comics, weirdly, I'm not interested in furries (furrys?...🤔), but, I couldn't honestly say that a female with right attitude/body/voice wouldn't be attractive to me... (Unless she's like a human-spider hybrid... Then I'll have to kill her...😅)...
It's kind of like how most people want nothing to do (intimately...), with people who aren't their type, & yet, a lot of them, if the right person f that type, came along, that's EXACTLY whom they end up with...
Does this mean we get to learn about male cheetah? Lol
I like these series. Learning about variations of villains with the same name is pretty interesting, especially since some are not as focused on as the heros.
In any timeline, it's not easy, being Cheetah-y. The only thing I liked about the latest incarnation was that it gave Barbara Minerva a more realistic personality that played into her motivation. Also, always wondered if it was Hypolita that saved toddler Donna Troy from the orphanage fire post-Crisis. But that's a different video and/or can of worms. Hypertime, anyone?
As I'd hoped, it's a full Cheetah series
Yeah. Do you prefer the Cheetah as a regular woman in a costume or as a woman transformed into an anthropomorphic cheetah by a curse?
@@legoking6165 I guess just depends on the media. Cheetah monster for modern stuff but I do like to see a throw back to the Cheetah costume in old media/modern Earth-2 type things
Yeah, same here.
Me too
Legoking 616 well Wonder Woman is pretty overpowered because her villains are completely ineffective
Girl can you please do all the star sapphires or talk about how awesome fire and ice are
I would to see that too.
I'll make it simple for you. If George Pérez said Cheetah was not a virgin, then Cheetah was NOT a virgin.
Hello! I would love it if you would consider discussing literally anything about danny the street, crazy jane, or the doom patrol in general.
I would love to see a video of the comic
d.c fan 15 Yeah I meant the comic. I haven't seen the show at all, as I'm scared it'll disappoint me lol.
I've watch it i its a good show to watch
d.c fan 15 You know what? I'll give the trailer a shot at the very least. Fingers crossed!
Really need more sassy wonder woman in my life
And I just read that in Morgan Freeman's voice.
" Sorry Honey, But I'm not impressed "
Thank you SO much. I have been so confused about the Cheatah character for so long! This finally makes sense to me!
I showed this video to my wife after we watched WW84 (my wife isn't a comics reader but enjoys the movies). It answered some of her questions that came up during the movie & she appreciated this video & your channel. Thanks, Sasha...hope you had a great Christmas!
I liked Hippolyta as Golden Age Wonder Woman. It allows the golden age stories to happen, while current Wonder Woman not be hundreds of years old.
Comic fans: "I do prefer Hippolyta as Golden Age Wonder Woman than a hundred years old Diana."
Anime fans: 5000 years old lolis.
@@paulosergioribeiro7200 It allows the JSA to have a Wonder Woman without taking away from the JSA. I just like DC's legacy characters.
@@Ironlantern723 but, isn't there a Batman & a Superman over on Earth 2?... So why would they need to differentiate between the two, unless they're saying that somehow Batman is immortal, so as such could've easily been golden age Batman, & still be modern Batman... Wait... Maybe Batman took Wonder Woman's immortality!!!...😱
How wrong of him!!!...
(Kidding, I'm just a bit confused is all... I'm more of a Marvel guy anyway... & yes, I know they have their own continuity problems, especially since I'm a fan of the X-men...)...😂
Stephen Guild and it’s pretty confusing because is she immortal or is she just hard to kill
I love Barbara especially the Rebirth version (not entirely a fan of most Wonder Woman stuff in New 52, well its complicated). Even though they basically fused Barbara and Julia. I felt it made her more unique and interesting. I especially love the design, reminiscent of the JL animated series look.
Even though Cheetah is seen as Wonder Woman's arch nemesis, I'd argue in Post Crisis that was Circe.
Everything is confusing post-crisis!
crisis just never ended
Holy attention to detail Casual Woman!
I have been a few reboots shy of a deck with many characters in recent years and this is a good way to see the current state of affairs. Impressive work.
This was a really good video Sasha! I mean I enjoyed learning about the character, origins, and different versions ... But really sold me is how using a simple Wonder Woman character, you are able to explain all of DC madness of various "crisis" events. I learned a lot. Thanks!
I just found your videos like 2 days ago and have been binge watching them. I love your channel and your frequent uploading!❤️👏
If there ever is a DC comic Jeopardy girl you are my pick to win it all. I love your story telling.
Crisis of Infinite Earths is my favorite Crisis. I love the artwork of George Perez. Plus it was a part of my childhood, so there you go!
I've loved these Cheetah discussions. Please do more characters that have been changed a lot.
9:20 "whom if you meet him in a kitchen late at night, WILL make you eggs"
I love this channel so much
Eye shades on point in this video.
Very good video. Rucka's Cheetah is great. He knows how to write her relationship with Diana. And keep the Doctor Who reference coming. Hey, maybe you could do a video about The Doctor at comics.
Don’t forget that The Cheetah and Snapper Carr had a thing right before The New 52.
I wanna see a Marvel/DC x-over, where Cheetah and Tigra are off in the background, not fighting, but just hanging out and knocking back mai tais while ranking superheroes' butts...
Why not add Cheetara (probably misspelled that...) from the Thundercats into the mix as well to complete the trifecta?...
(Though I guess that wouldn't be fair as, technically, it'd be two cheetahs against a tiger...)...🤔
In JLA/Avengers final issue you can see the two fithing in the backround.
I remember reading the Perez run a while back (I was here for the drama). Cheetah was cool, I could've done without her walking stereotype sidekick though.
I've only watched two of your videos, but I'm very impressed with what I see! Glad to consider myself a subscriber now :)
Several things:
1. In the New 52 Green Lantern also kept his continuinty.
2. I´m TIRED of Cheetah. Sick of her actually. I get that they wanted to flesh out the character in Rebirth because of the movie. But then she kept coming back all the time.
One my favorite Wonder Woman villains, and villainess in general, is Giganta. And they don´t use her AT ALL. Since New 52 she appeared on a Wonder Woman story (way later in Rebirth) at it was as allies. I get that having to write a character like that can´t be easy. But FIND A WAY! I mean, Wonder Woman doesn´t have many villains (mostly because writers don´t go back and use the ones she already has or create new ones -with the exception of First Born that was AMAZING. Yet, having Giganta as a very recognizable Wonder Woman enemy ans she´s nowehere to be found.
I´m praying to the gods she gets to appear in the third WW movie.
3. I´m glad you talked that way about WW´s "retcon" in Rebirth since they didn´t erase New 52 either. They left it ambiguous. So much so, that later in Rebirth they´ve brought back elements from it and to this day Hera is a member of the Quintessence taking the place of Zeus who was killed and looks like her New 52 version.
4. As for Cheetah´s virgin origin I see nothing wrong with that. It´s still a thing in some cultures. And even in Western countries, while not something to be a shame, to loose your virginity is a bid deal in women and men.
...if anything, and they decided to change it, I would have made it as if she wasn´t pure of soul.
5. On another thought, I think that it will be revealed in the WW84 that the stone that grants Maxwell Lord´s powers comes from Urzkartaga.
PS
Please do a video on that Superman story. Didn´t know that it was because of legal issues that they handled the character that way in New 52.
How you feel about Giganta is how I feel about Dr. Cyber, one of WW's deadliest villains who hardly ever gets used and is a personal favorite.
Changing it so she "wasn't pure of soul" would have made it even worse. It would just come across as a euphemism and the story would then outright be saying that non-virgin women aren't "pure of soul."
@@Tsukiakari-qb3tk What I'm saying is that even if you did that, it would just come across as a euphemism.
@@Tsukiakari-qb3tk *euphemism:* n. A mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing
This was the Cheetah that just confused me as I grew up with the the older versions. Thanks for the explanation!
here is a video idea "Wait is that...?" in the DC movies there are side characters with small lines like maybe Catman in the intro to justice league and who was that woman in red when Wonder Woman beat up the robbers? maybe even people like who was the guy working for LEX in the movie? is he in the comic? also I'd love to know more about Veronica Cale and Catman :)
Sasha - you titled this accurately - very confusing. And it's DC fault on the whole, not just with this character. The Post-Crisis/New 52/Rebirth conflicting continuities.... :: groan ::, What were they trying to accomplish? It drove me from collecting their comics. Would love to hear a deep dive on the reasons.
Hello! I just want to tell you thank you for this awesome video on cheetah. I wanted to know more about her and this was great. Also super happy that I was able to track down of issue 29 of WW and I wouldn't have known about it if it weren't for you and this vid. Thanks again, love these vids. ^_^
I am here for the "Dodgy British Accent"
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The Post-Crisis aka Pre-52 version of Wonder Woman is my favorite version. A woman made from sand and lesbian power, plus Hermes.
ISTR a story involving Clayface, playing on their mutual earth-based origins, somehow...
Love your videos.. Excellent work and research.. And yes i'm Pre-Crisis, cut me open and count the multiverses... :)
Her rebirth origin is my favorite, but I just plain out love Wonder Woman rebirth
Can you do a history on icon?
love Rebirth Barbara Ann Minerva, Greg Ruka's Wonder Woman was so good
Wow. Never really read any Wonder Woman comics. Came here to learn. You did a great job. Keep up the good work. Stay blessed [+]
Really like the videos you post. A lot of fun information I knew and more I didn't know.
Since you did a video on Tigra, might I ask if you have considered the Marvel hero TIGRA for a video ?
Casually comics more like casually great
I’m surprised by the virgin thing, and the lack of the word dame.
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I like the whole scratching out a sometimes other Cheetah bit. Reminds me of a Werewolf or Zombie infection. Can do a post apocalyptic storyline with that.
This is a good presentation of the Cheetah character from the Wonder Woman comics. For one you split to three videos to present the details in the different ages or eras. It also helps people have some details of the character for people who are not familiar with the details of the character. I know who is Wonder Woman but I do not all the details of her stories since I tend to be more of a Batman reader so I know more details of Batman his villains supporting characters etc. Hope you do more of these videos to introduce the characters for those who may not know all the details.
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"Perfectly balanced, as all things should be."
I grew up with the plant god origin and I'm sticking to that and how Cheetah encountered the Bana-Mighdall Amazons.
This newer Cheetah (the cat god version) reminds me of the DC/!mpact comics hero The Jaguar (sorta the Archie line of superheroes, but revamped in the 90s for DC, the later rebooted a couple more times).
I don't have a problem with the virgin sacrifice angle. It's a common trope for a reason. Although the friendship angle is much better. Plus that was a really good comic. Read it when it was coming out new.
I might be in the minority here, but I actually really liked Hippolyta as WWII Wonder Woman. I liked that she hooked up with Wild Cat, and her story arch in the Worlds at War story line made me cry. Do a Polly (that's what Ted called her) video, Sasha!
is a cat plant god a catnip plant?
My fav, Rebirth, I was totally into BA and Etta :)
I am usually not a fan of the friend turned enemy troupe so I like the post crisis origin better than the Nu52 one.
no matter what age we're in Diana's shade, bitchiness and general not caring about people's feelings remain the same.
This is the first time I’ve read the story your talking about before the video.
An issue I have with Minerva Cheetah is just that she often kinda hits the Uncanny Valley area for me. She doesn't look like an anthropomorphic cartoon cheetah, but she also doesn't look like a person in a cheetah-style costume. I'm not a huge fan of it personally, but she's one of the few in Wonder Woman's Rogues Mantlepiece (too small to be a gallery), so I'll take what I can get!
Someone get Sasha a cheetah onesie for these great stories! She already has the red hair!
Thank you for the Catman late night culinary reference!
I liked it better when Cheetah was from the island of the themascara that was basically a disgrace warrior Who was poised to take on a metal of wonder woman but was found out to be cheating in the Warriors game and Wonder woman’s mother banished her From the islands
Marvel and DC have retconned their universes and characters so many times it's almost impossible to keep up without comprehensive spreadsheets! It's honestly one of the big reasons I stopped collecting comics in the mid-90's.
Regardless, I am looking forward to seeing Cheetah in the new Wonder Woman movie (although I likely won't be seeing it in the theaters, considering COVID).
This was all incredibly interesting to learn about! :)
Cheetah is beginning to remind me of Maureen Ponderosa from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, who used Dennis' alimoney money to fund her surgical "transitioning" into a full-on cat, moreso with every appearance!
Great video. BTW, you mentioned a possible future video on New 52 Superman swap with the post crisis superman. That would be one I would love to see.
I cant ignore L in the background.
"Not too hard to follow I think."
Do a video on Catman!
I was hoping to find this in my notifications today 😆
I like both the John Ostrander´s New 52 origin (its just one issue, the forever evil´s villain month special) and Greg Rucka´s Rebirth origin, despite of them beign so different. Mixed feelings!
Barbara Ann Minerva from the Perez WW is THE Cheetah. Such a great story, love the African Shaman story line and the blood thirsty Cheetah. So excited to see it on the big screen 🐯
Not too hard to follow???? Yikes! I am glad you are the one teaching this class, Sasha.
I am a super huge, ginormous, fan of cheetah, I consider her my favorite character of all characters and I am attempting to collect every single cheetah comic from silver and bronze age to present day. But I will say you have done an excellent breakdown kudos to you. I am very reserved to see the new WW movie as they corrupted the entire backstory of cheetah but I love a good break down
Great video. I only wish you could've worked in a reference to "Now please, may I see your girdle?" -- possibly the greatest line from George Perez's run on WW from the late 80s. (See "Blood of the Cheetah", WW #9, 1987)
Awesome
My favorite version is from the Superfriends. She was basically Catwoman Lite because they couldn't use Catwoman due to licensing issues 🤣😂🤣
I'm still a bit confused about that whole situation when it came to certain characters on the DC roster...
Why were so many of them blocked from being on that cartoon?!?...🤔
@@DjDragonblade your guess is as good as mine, same with marvel, I mean the Fantastic Four had a robot in it lol 🤣😂🤣
@@brettpugh7898 That was supposedly because they were afraid the Human Torch would inspire children to immolate themselves (which I think actually happened in an issue of FF!)...I didn't hear about Catwoman, but since they already had at least one Batman villain, I doubt that was the *only* reason for Cheetah...Although, looking at the rest of her RG, can you imagine Dr. Psycho on Superfriends?? LOL
@@HandofOmega i believe it's because Filmation had the rights to Catwoman, Joker, and Pinguin at the time 😇💜💙💜
Brett Pugh yeah I find this original legion of doom quite interesting
So I have a question, who was the Amazon that came second to WW in the competition that was to determine who would go to man land? I'm pretty sure I heard something about that Amazon, or maybe I'm just mixing things up. Help!
Was that Artemis, with long reddish-blond hair? I think she became a villain protagonist for awhile, and even claimed the mantle of Wonder Woman for a time, similar to Azrael-Batman...
Old cartoon in Playboy: An Aztec preist says to his King,
"The March of the Virgins will have to be cancelled/ One is sick and the other one refuses to march alone."
This was hella informative
This first WW rebirth arc with cheetah was really good highly recommend
Omg... I love your chanel and just NOW noticed I wasn't subbed because I was looking for your next video xD (sorry I'm subbed now!)