True! I really enjoyed what little personality we got to see from Stalker and I was really sad when Umbra had no special interactions anywhere in the quest. A line from Balas taunting us during the final fight would have been really nice.
Wally showed up at the end to fulfil his part of the deal he made with the Operator. "I can save them. All of them." He wasn't talking about the people on the Zariman which the Operator most likely assumed (hence why they probably took the deal to begin with). He was talking about Ballas ripping a void hole in the centre of the sun, which would have literally killed everyone. We now owe him, *_big time_*
you don't know how long i've been waiting for you to do this. I must've have watched your Orokin lore video a thousand times. Only youtuber I trust to go to about Warframe lore. Keep 'em coming please!💪
I'm of the mind that the lotus saw a literal Nothingness as the Void is a gap in perception, and to be perfectly blunt? That would be pretty damned terrifying.
its so hilarious how people thought the sentients were stupid for letting themselves be manipulated and brainwashed into serving Ballas WHILE THEY let that same guy gaslight them into hating their mother figure with a single monologue. they literally listened to a character who is KNOWN for hating the tenno and were seriously going to kill their mother because of it.
I know right! It's scary how effective Gaslighting can be, and Ballas makes it so surreal... When you wear the Narmer Veil, I questioned myself in real life for a second about what the Mask was saying... The mask was literally trying to wok on me in real life
Because Ballas _introduced_ sentience or some basic semblance of it to them before they left the Origin system to colonise Tau. You can’t defy your creator.
@@aravinds3846 Ballas never created the Sentients. They were originally self replicating machines made by an archimedian. Some of those machines evolved into Sentinels near the outer edges of the system. The ones that went to Tau gained sentience because of attempting to adapt to the void. Even if Ballas had designed the original machines, those original machines were not given sentients, because that would be against the law. The whole point of making their weakness to the Void was to stop them if they unfortunately became sentient.
I have a theory on what Requiems might be. We were introduced to the requiem runes with kuva liches. we use a specific combination of this runes to be able to kill an inmortal being. I think DE based this mechanic on the concept of "true names" which appears in some mythologies. This concept says that every god has a secret true name and those who know that name will have total control above the being. In warframe, Requiem runes might be the true language, the language of the void. By drinking the kuva/becoming a Tenno you become inmortal, a god in sort way, but you are also getting that secret name, which is known by The Man In the Wall and that's how he can control you. This is also why once you know the liches' true name you can also control them and make them your ally or even kill them. I think that the Requiems spelled by The Man in the Wall might be your secret name, a reminder that you are part of his plan
I wish the Parazon/Requiem would be more of a Tenno thing than a Warframe thing if that's the case, also separate from the Hacking Right now it just feels like a glorified USB Port, and Liches are just Kuva Cyborgs
@@owynpham1478 As be the lore we know, “For that purpose, Albrecht discovered the Requiem Words, devices imbued with unknown power that are capable of permanently stopping a living being's resurrection through Continuity”, which is then explained to be why we use them against the Kuva Liches, beings which use red Kuva which allows the drinker to essentially transfer their conscience between bodies to essentially live forever as the Orokin once did. Others before him who had ventured into the void hadn’t seen the man in the wall, while he had. This influence his decision to abstain from Kuva, fearing it was the other self who had truly crossed over in his stead. Even the “What took you so long, Kiddo” line if you drink the Kuva mirrors how his double called him little bengal. So yeah, not really much to this guy’s theory.
Even if Ballas is a top-tier schemer that is able to hide his true motives 100% of the time, I still find it hard to believe that Erra willingly gave Ballas complete, utter control of the entire Sentient army. It paints Erra as a total moron and not as the threat we were teased. His unceremonious 'death' adds further salt to the wound; as if DE wanted to be rid of him and Ballas as soon as possible.
I mean...to be fair Erra was kind of a total moron. Its not exactly an uncommon trope. Rebellious son thinks he can run things better than dad but has no clue what he is doing and fucks things up royally at first opportunity? yeah that's nothing new. As for his "death"? To be entirely fair he was needed to be Rid of so the final boss could be between Mother, Son, and Deadbeat dad. He didn't have a place there so it made sense for them to remove him.
Likely because Erra actually died, like the lotus remembered it. He was assblasted by 6 void beams and the lotus clearly remembers him being utterly destroyed. Ballas likely rebuilt him as part of his gambit to get the sentients under his control, and there is no way to know if he didn't make him a little easier to persuade. That, and Erra was just desperate to actually end the war in sentient victory, that he would easily be blinded about understanding that it would end up being a hollow victory with drastic consequences. After all we have seen that throughout history, revolutionaries overthrowing their government for being evil and corrupt only to install a worst tyrant in its place.
mean while Hunhow below Uranus: Look at him Shadow, look at my son thinking he knows better. Kids am i right? Also, did you know it was your beloved master Ballas who orchestrated the fall of the old empire by manipulating my own daughter to guide the Tenno? I think you're better off staying here than serving Ballas, he's no good for you, and i need a companion down here, it gets lonely you know. Stalker realizing the truth: fucking what?
God this is such a well done recap, I feel like DE could've done a bit of a better job conveying everything but then again that would take like 10 hours and I still have to respect this expansive story they've been able to convey in a nine year old free to play looter shooter
I thought the way they "showed" eternalism was really cool. When The Man in the Wall grabbed your hand and your body "split" into all those copies was really visually striking. There were a few parts of The New War that I thought felt a bit rushed or that weren't totally fleshed out, but overall, it was an amazing addition to the game. Oh, also, it's a really clever way of explaining how all the Tenno actually exist together in the game world. They seem to be slightly unbound to a hard timeline by their personal interaction with The Void via The Man in the Wall. The mission to claim Umbra showed this too; if you're killed your Tenno enters a sort of sleep state in The Void for a few seconds before being revived to attempt the capture of Umbra again, seemingly manipulating the course of time to go back and try again. Perhaps not even necessarily "going back in time," but collapsing a new timeline or entering a parallel line in which your success is yet to be determined. This stuff is just all so crazy. It seems, to me, that we ALL chose to interact with The Man in the Void in our own personal timeline prior to The New War and doing so gives us a special connection to The Void in which we all exist in the same reality because of the choice we made in what could be thought of as "sperate before times". Digital Extremes really is getting philosophical giving us all this deep stuff to think about! Also, thanks for the explanation on how the Narmer Veils work on The Drifter. Since we currently can't go back to replay this quest there was a bunch of stuff I missed since I have memory problems. Your work really is indispensable!
Ballas' ploy to drive a wedge between the Tenno and the Lotus was so effective, some players are still obscessed with/disappointed they didn't get to kill her. I have to assume Erra did die, or was put into an eidolon state, and was only restored by his archons. Wally says: I'll take your light. After the final encounter, Natah's hand can be seen smoking like a candle having been snuffed out. My guess is that he took something from her.
Yeah, the color change was certainly important and signifies...something. I'm looking forward to what the hell that final encounter is going to lead to. It was certainly subtle, odd, and a lot was left unsaid and unexplained. Especially after your Tenno asks the Lotus point blank what she experienced she hesitates and then say's, "Uh, nothing love..." essentially. She's hiding something. But I get the feeling she's trying to protect us from it, but as many parents know, the more you try to protect your children from the truth the more that can come bite you in the ass later.
If you do the Snake Archon’s mission you can see they were building Erra a new body with more limbs. My guess is he lived and swapped bodies. Even his form we see in the New War sports kuva.
My personal theory is that he took the light of being one singular being from her and shoved Margulis, Natag and Lotus in there. As she state later, 3 identities are fighting in there.
@@darthgiorgi4990 That’s the thing, Natah is a shapeshifter sentient first and foremost. She was sent as part of a deal between Hunhow and Ballas to aid in the downfall of the Orokin. Ballas manipulated her and warped her mind to try to make her like a more obedient version of his wife, one he could control, one who’d listen to him, but it failed after a while and from there the Lotus was born (metaphorically speaking). So the three people in one actually refers to the identities she knows as being “her”.
@@leonardwimbelton8920 Hard to tell you, but there is a perfect way to knew if your story is bad. If anything can happen, it's mean none of it really matter. Example: someone imprisons you? Nope, not this *time*. In short: time\multiverse suxx.
After watching this, you’ve highlited so many things I missed or didn’t understand. The fact “Wally” uses natah’s severed hand to seal the pact which then gets transported to duvhiri giving the drifter our abilities in duvhiri. The fact the Vitruvian statue is the man in the wall since it’s missing its finger, which is currently in the back of our railjack, like so many dots are being connected in my mind.
When I first completed the quest, I interpreted my Tenno's question to her as "What did you see at the end (of your life, when Ballas killed you)?". Since Sentients have an artificial soul, they would have no afterlife, so she was saying she saw "nothing" as opposed to how humans claimed to see a "light at the end of a tunnel". And "what did you see" is a common trope question directed at people who have come back to life after being declared dead, as Natah/Lotus did through the events of the quest. I didn't even consider the question as the "end" referring to the end of the conflict with Ballas until others started referring to it that way.
Theory for the Tenno, in each of our perspectives we make the deal with the man in the wall in one universe which becomes the primary reality where we the Tenno become the main character who accomplishes all these story feats, but we also have become, like you said, a multi-versal being that exists across realities meaning each other player is a Tenno who is active like you as the main character in their own reality but also active as just another Tenno operative in yours. This is also why one Tenno makes the deal yet all get powers. As for Rell, I believe he is an exceptional case where he realised the nature of what happened and made the decision to act in a similar manner across all realities rejecting the role the man in the wall gave him which is why he attracted his gaze, but we, across all realities, simultaneously put Rell to rest leading to Rell's death across all realities which is why his death is permanent since there is no other reality to anchor to and from.
@@ovencake523 Yes, I implied that was the case... in our perspective. In another players perspective, they are the protagonist and you are just another child from the zariman. Our experience of our character being the protagonist and others being just other children from the zariman is in theory canonical. In other words your statement is true in your experience but in game there is another reality where that player can say the exact same thing... Multiverse are really easy to argue complicated mind-bending concepts though to be fair. (basically, it cannot be disproven as a possibility unless DE themselves say it is not canonical)
@@neowild oh ok i think it get what you're saying now so every player is in a different timeline, where their tenno is the main character tenno. hm thats actually not a bad way to headcannon how multiplayer works
Huh, some things i actually would've missed without this explanation. This actually helps a hell of a lot of things. This makes a lot more sense now with some of the stuff in the quest.
Thanks for answering a lot of the questions the quest left me with. It's going to make the eventual replay of the quest a lot more interesting. The concept of Eternalism really opens a lot of avenues for where the story could go in the future. It reminds me of how Final Fantasy 14 handled it's rebirth, maintaining player/character agency across a relaunch/timeskip, while simultaneously introducing other parties with different outcomes from the same initiating event. One thing that rubbed me the wrong way was how the player actions made "you" more important that all other Tenno, bearing all of the responsibility, truly being the hero of one's own story (12:55). I liked when the story driven operations, like Scarlet Spear, were collaborative with all Tenno/Players on equal footing in terms of importance. However, Eternalism once again affords your Tenno to be of more importance than others, falling back on the fact that through infinite realities and timelines, each Tenno is able to be the hero of their own story while simultaneously a pawn in another's reality. This allows for the events of the quest (and even those of previous quests) to be experienced by the player from a "main character" point of view, for each and every player, beautifully melding the game's need for a "player one" while maintaining the story's lore-based foundation. But this makes me wonder, in the case of the Man in the Wall, is he Extra-eternal? Is the man in the wall that is encountered by both the operator and the drifter singular in his existence across realities and timelines? Or does he too follow the rules of Eternalism, existing innumerably infinitely? The story we are given seems to point to the former, which makes him truly terrifying! Lastly, just wanted to say that 10:12 - 10:27 was beautifully written.
"...locked within a temporal prison of some kind, in an island of reality within the void..." 12:22 With the hand of Natah... This is days after Tennocon 2022 I'm watching, now having seen the gameplay of Duviri... You're too good at this...
It's the best way for DE to basically never run out of lore reasons for things for as long as they can come up with new plot points, I bet "because eternalism" is going to be the main explanation for a lot of things going forward
Teshin’s death was too abrupt. They could’ve made it more dramatic, for example it could have been the tenno getting held in the head by erra. Then teshin comes in saving us and THEN dying in the process
yea, teshin’s death didn’t even strike me as his death It just seemed to me like he was out of it, as in he didn’t have the strength to continue the fight, not like erra crushed his skull or whatever he did to kill him
The eternalism has a lot of potential as a plot device. Look at what the new spider-man movie did with all three onscreen. I hope de finds a good formula for manufacturing story. Mabe like gw2 or eso having events and quests that lead to expansion level events. Love having you back always watch your videos if i need a refresher on the lore
Ooh, I'm even more happy to have choosen Natah at the end, I hope she end up talking about the Void one day, especially the details of the first voyage of the Sentient to Tau
I’m hoping they add some unique dialogue for each personality. Margulis and Natah could reminisce about their time with the Orokin and the sentients respectively. This way your choice feels less like a simple cosmetic change and adds some interesting lore-bites to listen to after the quest is done
6:00 I don't think there were any leftover remains of the Tenno for Ballas to fight. We know all Tenno "left" without a word at once, as explained by Nora Night. Considering that the deal is directly related to you, getting banished can easily affect other Tenno. The stabbing by Paracesis also glitches out the screen transference-style. It might be that Paracesis was always secretly designed to be able to banish all Tenno into the void simultaneously. 7:20 Additionally, the Deacons are a core mechanic to keep someone veiled. They weaken a target before veiling them if needed, and the disappearance of Deacons post Ballas's death clearly led to a large chunk of Grineer and Corpus freeing themselves. 23:32 I don't think Lotus being possessed is too unlikely. She's unique- she has the Tenno's touch (the void), she has seen the walls other face, she "survived" being thrown into the void, and she's called, "The queen of the aphids, with her eye in the void." In the quest completion screen, ber suspicious smirk while holding up the same hand that was smoking after the wall disappeared is also very telling.
hmm yea u might be up on something here i do agree that that smile at the end of the quest was sus .... if it doesnt work with the tenno or drifter why not have a plan b or c (as lotus/natah/margulis)
TWW+our operator being the one that made the deal with Kiddo explains the first bit. Operators non chair presence is entirely made by manipulating void powers to fullest in the first place (remember, no other tenno "in setting" went through unlocking the powers Spacemom locked off before the moon pods), so the moment we/the person that made the deal with Kiddo was stuck in the void by our transference focus being disrupted sufficiently via being stabbed by massive stick AND were replaced by the Drifter (as per eternalism, even if the lack of them being able to both be present outside the void at the same time causes some issues due to how multiverse eternalism would be set up), all the other tenno ceased being tenno because the drifter didnt take that specific version of the deal the real Operator did, so all the "tenno" then present in regular reality also still didnt get their void powers (yet) like the drifter. As for Lotus smirk, i think thats more DE being unable to make humans look even vaguely human when it comes to face stuff as Drifter and Ostron animations also prove. Still her being influenced by Daivoidpinchi man is a legit and interesting option.
13:36 I believe that at least after The War Within quest, the identity of the Tenno became exposed to all of the Origin System (but probably not the fact many are still in Reservoirs). So, even currently, while possibly every other Tenno is still in the Second Dream, they've at least learned that. And I think they may be a lot better off in Reservoirs; because if my speculation is correct that our Operator's the only one to have Ordis, and an Orbiter, then the other Tenno have no Somatic Link where their bodies can stay.
Don't Lua have constant Grineer and Corpus activities now ? It wouldn't really be safe Even if Orbiters are hard to come by they can probably stay in the Relays
Through my gameplay, the Void, Man in the Wall and now Elder Gods never appeared to me as a threat or an enemy to be confronted. It always felt more of a neutral force that even Orokin never understood. There are so many ways that the Void manipulates the world of Warframe that it could have easily had more of an impact. But it chooses to probe, show here and there. The biggest example is the Reliquary Drive and how it's freely being used by our Operator. It does not seem to me that the physical part of the Drive was taken by force - more likely a some sort of a contract, deal that was made at some point. Similar to the deal the Operator makes with the Void to survive the Zariman incident.
Albrecht may've accidentally made a bargain with the Wall-Man regarding FTL. Wall-Man no doubt has one of Albrecht's fingers as a display piece somewhere.
adding onto your thoughts about duviri tied into this quest, if you chose the drifter, when you go into your Warframe they say "Can't be harder than riding a horse" (I think) notice that in the duviri paradox trailer the "Operator" or drifter is riding a horse... 🤔
Thanks StallordD for explaining everything so well as always, I feel like I didn't understand or just plain know like 50% of the things that happened during the quest, trailers, mini quests. :P I feel like DE could do better at telling the story more straightforward, so dumb people like me could understand it.
the story is meant for those with brains henceforth why everything is being told the way it is the only issue I have is that DE loves retconning everything so it's kind of hard to figure out what's canon and what isn't because there's a lot of lore in the game but I'd say at least half of it has been retconned and forgotten about
My version would be: "This new quest baffles me so much. Who the hell made this and why does it feel like last night before school summer homework done by someone who didnt do the prior quests." *Watches a video* "StallordD can make even bullshit plot into a masterpiece of investment."
The Void Lore makes sense in this quest, how certain characters act however was total bs. The writing was poor compared to the emotions of the Second Dream or the Sacrifice.
At the end of the quest I choose Lotus to stay as the Lotus because it was the only identity she choose herself. She was constructed as Natah, with the porpouse of infiltrating the Orokin she transformed into Margulis, but it was her new found love for the Tenno who made her becoming the Lotus. She always was what everyone else wanted her to be, a spy, a lover, a sister, a weapon... Only the Lotus was her choice.
Fantastic content, I really love this game's lore and in my sincerely opinion your videos are the most clarifying ones. Good to see that you are back, I used to watch all of your deep and rich lore videos a few years ago, hope to see more of this incredible job of yours soon.
Erra's motivation to give ballas full control is kinda justified if u think abt it. For starters, unlike his father or natah. He is not a fighter, he is an engineer, a scientist (evident by how he made the archons and caliban) he is simply the nerd of the familly who tries to prove his worth. After his father's failure and natah's betryal, he was left broken, desperate for any chance of victory. And so he gave ballas everyrhing. The sentients followed naturally since erra was the heir at that point
The lore king has returned! Glad to have you back man. Great video. I am curious what the significance of the staff was. We kept it as an orbiter decoration so I wonder if it wasn't just purely ornamental. I have a feeling we're going to see Hunhow and his boy again too.
I know people wanted a bigger ending for the quest, but i gotta say the dialogue in the last scene really hit home for me. Especially Ballas I've seen people say "uh hes such a crybaby, damn simp" but thats what makes his character, or rather the situation we find ourselves in so great. At some point, he was the defacto ruler of the first "human" spacefaring civilization, some years later AGAIN, with even more control. But the fact that Margulis left him *FOR US* made him so bitter that he would cast all life in our solar system into the fire. Some years ago I saw a great drama/horrorfilm that had that exact same premise, only with a normal family. The parents live a happy rural life, until their triplets are born. The mother turns all her affection towards the kids, sending the father out every night to gather more firewood so her precious special kinds are always warm. The lack of affection scorns the father, who feels left alone, robbed of his paradise out in the wilderness. He becomes so jealous of the kids that he tries to eat them, turning into a feral wolfmonster. After years of assault and being hunted by their father, the family tries to confront him, and while the mothers warm touch turns him back into a more manlike state, he declares that they can be togheter now and will be warm and happy forever. After which he sets the house on fire. I'll have to look into the name again though, its a pretty old russian film. Sorry for the wall of text, but that quest and the connections I made kept me up for like 3 nights after I finished TNW :D
Bruh, I never even considered that Ballas is a man driven made by the lack of Love that he once had. On a very surface level, he just appears as someone who just wants power, and will do anything to be the top of every chain possible. These videos are amazing!
Man I really needed this, thank you. I'm probably not the only one that had some trouble when The New War hit remembering everything in the past and putting it all together. Not to mention this Eternalism and Quantum Reality
I'm sad cuz it's the first time i can't cope after a stallord video but on the other hand this video is a banger and you're finally back that's cool af
The man in the wall didn’t just make a deal with you. Because of eternalism, he made a deal with each and every tenno aboard that ship. My character, yours, and everyone else. The devs confirmed a long time ago that each player is canonically the main character. Every Tenno shook his hand.
I got so excited when I saw this upload! The cephalon interpretation of the void is one we haven’t seen much of and I wish we could have seen our operator talk to Cy or ordis about it. Also I wonder what will happen to motivate us to investigate the void further in the duviri paradox
Thank you for this! A lot of the stuff in the quest is oddly vague and somewhat appears out of nowhere. This all condenses it in a way that makes sense.
When the portal to the void opened and the man came through, I'm under my personal opinion he left and then closed it because it just vanishes. Like a God intervened. I'm also under the impression that Wally, as he's referred too... sent the drifter the moment he felt something happen. Like, he's neither good nor evil in my eyes, just a deity who wants order and he does deliver order, albeit a tad distorted. Like, there is an end game for this entity and apparently the destruction of the origin system isn't apart of that plan. Only time will tell. But my favourite part was the Unum speaking, calling us dreamers and then displaying power like you haven't seen power before. It was glorious, but a little saddening because she was being defiled this entire time. Kinda broke me.
Fantastic work! Your accentuation and general speech is perfect, keeping the pressure or anticipation of what the end may bring is giving me goosebumps. Please keep on creating these story explanations ♥️
Jesus man, I was in my orbiter and right when the video ended I turn around to see the mockery of my operator leaning around the corner from the back hallway before I hear the whole "Hey kiddo" schtick, talk about timing.
It is absolutely awesome that everything I theorized about Ballas was not only confirmed but almost spot on by the New War quest but yours and Dseige's lore videos.
Your warframe lore videos are the thing that keeps me going! Gorgeous choice of words and beautifully drawn stories! Keep it up man you make warframe stand out as far more than a simple game.
Ah the legend is back, was waiting for you to make a video on the quest after watching your stream. You do sound very professional in lore videos as I had known, but the stream was a casual guy playing and I loved it. Thanks man.
man, the void always made me uneasy ever since i've touched that damn finger on my railjack, and now that it shows how much of an existential threat i fear for what's to come, and rell's sacrifice feels a lot heavier, great video btw
@@Mechanomly most people think that captain vor was beaten by the tenno and was saved by his key. This isn't the case. The Holy vor was once the wielder of the MIGHTY SEER but he tried to control it using his janus key. Thus the MIGHTY SEER cast him aside and it just so happened to be when the tenno came in. Now I am the MIGHTY SEERS chosen one
Been looking forwards to you views and lore video on The New War ever since I played it. I had some ideas myself but it was good to think about them as you spoke about the lore. Awesome work again mate :)
When the Man in the Wall came out while Natha was trying to close the void, it felt like he was peering through a hole. We are now aware he's there but he's always known about us. I think it was more to visualise him looking through a magnifying glass at us but not nessasarily him trying to escape.
all i have to say is that the story of warframe is tragic but then at the new war is so satifying at the end and ties up alot of things that needed explaining, i am proud to be apart of this community on the whole. I chose lotus out of not knowing if i choose her the events in the diveri paradox will move plus ive gotten so used to her that im like no natah and margialus arent her.
I think one thing people miss out on the Handshake is how it shows how the void and eternalism makes sense of The Operator's deaths in various parts of the game. Whenever our operator dies in War Within and similar missions, it shows the operator floating in the void. I reckon this is the void searching and locating in the vastness of eternalism the version of us that did not die to either snap to that reality or pull that version out as a backup as the Tenno is a void anchor after all. I think this is supported by the handshake scene since you see the Operator dying in different ways. Furthermore, I think that the polarities between Operator and Drifter is more than just Saved/Not Saved from the Zariman but also with how the void makes use of them. The Operator is an Anchor in time, a constant that doesnt grow older in a reality where time moves. However the Drifter is a dynamic, always changing, aging in Duviri, a reality where time is static. I think its through these two different anchors in time that the void has secured itself into reality. If the Operator was to be thrown into the Void, which is like dividing by 0 because the Operator is himself an anchor of the Void, the Void spits out the Drifter to correct this by becoming the temporary anchor in the baseline reality as they still have the same temporal signature. "The Operator/Drifter Exists Here". Meaning that a possible way to completely destroy the Operator is by first killing the Drifter in Duviri, then banishing the Operator into the Void.
I'm really curious as to what the life cycle of the sentients is. Do they slowly grow from batallyst, to the size of the lotus and erra, to the size of hunhow, then finally to ship?
From what I can tell they are more like bees or ants in a way, with the “queen” or mother having created the necessary types. But the journey to Tau rendered them infertile. This is part of why the deal with Alad V was crucial, as the mutations of the Amalgams allowed for them to “reproduce” to some degree.
I thought the sentients were more like self-replicating hive-mind robots The sentients would make what was necessary to accomplish a task, let it be a battalyst, to a murex, to whatever But Hunhow, and pergossa (idk how it’s spelt) were made by the orokin to be a starting point, more or less They’re given a higher level of understanding and power as a starting point or a tool that the orokin didn’t think the tau system would be able to have the resources to create Also, pergossa was made to have the sentients go through the void to get to Tau, meaning someone aware of their weakness (the orokin) had to make it do that
they didnt try to kill the heart, which is weird also after Ballas dies the sun no longer effects us the narmer faction as of now isnt even a new threat.... its just the old with a faceplate; even in the game its just another corpus/grineer. their ability to work together does precious little for the fact every other faction dislikes them.
I like how Eternalism, infinitely vast or nothing, is still contained within the void, which makes the reality we live in still valuable and not to be disregarded as "just another reality" that can be easily disposed of
Having watched your playthrough of the new war you are so different than I thought lol, it was really fun though and i love these lore videos, this is such a convoluted story and im glad you can make sense of it and explain it very well, i cant wait for more
My personal theory on the Unum is when you hear the voice it calls you "Dreamer" and the only other person that calls you "Dreamer" is from Nightwave. Their voices also sound similar enough in how it is said.
I applaud the fact that you still consider and can join together all of what we saw in TNW with the previous material we had. But I fear the quest itself had little to do with what the prologue seemed to indicate it would go to. My take on events starting from the point Ballas takes "The Lotus" away, and all the events and trailers that come after that; is that they seem to be poiting that "The Lotus" is no longer our ally, that in some way or another, the is no longer with us. In fact Ordis comes up with a "virtual Lotus" to replace her in game, that is how "NOT WITH US" she is. And so we seem to be tasked to bring her back. But in doing so, what should have been the main question of this quest araises: "Who is/was 'The Lotus'?". Notice I have been putting her in quotes. Is she "The Lotus"? Or is she Margullis? or is she Natah? As The Lotus she has been guiding us, the player, and our purpose in the game. As Natah we have her as a scentient enemy, that in the quest actually tries to kill us. As Margullis she leaves us to go with Ballas, implying she still loves him, or has some feelings for her. Why is this question important? Because by asking "Who the Lotus is?" we reach the real meaningful question, "Who are we? / What is our purpose?". If The Lotus is The Lotus, then our quest is justified in the name of bringing peace and union. If she is Natah, then she is our enemy, and maybe what we have been doing was not in order to bring any peace but we have been used. And we probably should kill Natah. If she is Margullis, then maybe WE the player are THE BAD GUYS in this whole story, who brainwashed Margullis to pretend to be someone she was not. The war in TNW is a conflict that surrounds this main conflict of our exsistance in the game. This question is posed at the end of the quest, but with no context and with no consequence. It is treated, in fact, as a cosmetic change. This is a question that will not have an answer in The Duviri Paradox, that should have come to meaning in this quest. What are WE fighting for?
@@ArgKnoxville86 You didn't understand the long running joke in the warframe community, the idea is that there isn't much of a reason to play warframe besides the obvious
@@wolfofwarframe3807 I know. What I am saying is that that identity question was, or rather, should have been the focus of this expansion. Not because I wanted to, but because it should have been. We, the players, go to "rescue The Lotus", but in order to do that, we NEED to know WHY. And behind that why is "who is she? who are we? and what do we fight for?". With that resolved we could then move forwards and beyond, going into the void, going to face the man in the wall. With this lack of resolution, everything being up in the air like this, it feels like they are always moving the chair away and baiting us every time. Now we have to think like you say "this is a set up for Duviri", but isn't that what we thought of TNW?
Through endless faces, countless forms, a multitude unfolds. Its heralds are the stars it fells the sky and earth aflame. To cosmic madness laws submit through stalwart minds entreat. To cosmic forms from tangent planes we end as we began. From brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bears no name.
I was always under the impression the eidolons on earth are the shattered remnants of Natahs mother, whom i think is the giant sentient remains in the background
I think it's possible that every player character is one tenno who shook hands with the man in the wall on the Zariman. We accepted it in our reality and the drifter didn't in another. Whose to say how many different tenno have done the exact same quests in the vast possibilities of eternalism. Not only that but meeting the drifter proves that you could meet those other operators.
I think one of the biggest missed opportunities of this quest was an interaction between Umbra and Stalker.
True! I really enjoyed what little personality we got to see from Stalker and I was really sad when Umbra had no special interactions anywhere in the quest. A line from Balas taunting us during the final fight would have been really nice.
More like between umbra and ballas…
Ikr? 2 dax, 2 probably sentient frames.
more like umbra and Ballas
@@IAmDaDumb1 indeed.
Wally showed up at the end to fulfil his part of the deal he made with the Operator. "I can save them. All of them."
He wasn't talking about the people on the Zariman which the Operator most likely assumed (hence why they probably took the deal to begin with). He was talking about Ballas ripping a void hole in the centre of the sun, which would have literally killed everyone.
We now owe him, *_big time_*
Yeah, intriguing though! U might be right!
Maybe that's why he keep saying we owe him big time like when he want to spook us on our orbiter.
Very interesting theory.
your theory makes sense actually... wow
I like this idea
You do have 2-3 encounters with Wally saying "you owe me" "you're nothing without me" which would indicate that he'll come to collect at some point.
That does depend on what replies you pick. Otherwise Kiddo is just pondering why we are taking our time/so slow.
@@ANDELE3025
But then again, why would he threateningly remind you of what you owe him if you drank it like he wanted.
I feel like wally only gave us power to see what happen, like some bored god.
@@ayushdeshmukh284 Kuva is for continuity. Wally wanted to basically be alive using our body via kuva.
@@ayushdeshmukh284 He says "What took you so long?" if you sipp the Orokin juice.
I still love the fact there's a picture of ballas with laser flash eyes in the zariman classroom
*Ballas INTENSIFIES*
That was the most out of place object in the whole play through .
you don't know how long i've been waiting for you to do this. I must've have watched your Orokin lore video a thousand times. Only youtuber I trust to go to about Warframe lore. Keep 'em coming please!💪
Same here lol
Dude same here ngl
I couldn’t agree more! Amazing video!!
I was just about to say the same time, but you put it better!
Agreed
I'm of the mind that the lotus saw a literal Nothingness as the Void is a gap in perception, and to be perfectly blunt? That would be pretty damned terrifying.
I agree with this. Void is nothingness.
She absolutely saw something and didn't want to tell us, but it most likely wasn't what we saw.
She acted very uncomfortable like she was lying when she said "Nothing"
AGREEMENT.
Please know damn is a curse word
its so hilarious how people thought the sentients were stupid for letting themselves be manipulated and brainwashed into serving Ballas WHILE THEY let that same guy gaslight them into hating their mother figure with a single monologue. they literally listened to a character who is KNOWN for hating the tenno and were seriously going to kill their mother because of it.
I know right! It's scary how effective Gaslighting can be, and Ballas makes it so surreal...
When you wear the Narmer Veil, I questioned myself in real life for a second about what the Mask was saying... The mask was literally trying to wok on me in real life
I don't think this worked on everyone. I wanted to kill Lotus just because she was Sentient. Not because Ballas said something.
@@qarinatir that's even worse lmao wanting to kill someone just because they are a certain race even tho they have been perfectly nice to u
Because Ballas _introduced_ sentience or some basic semblance of it to them before they left the Origin system to colonise Tau.
You can’t defy your creator.
@@aravinds3846 Ballas never created the Sentients.
They were originally self replicating machines made by an archimedian. Some of those machines evolved into Sentinels near the outer edges of the system. The ones that went to Tau gained sentience because of attempting to adapt to the void.
Even if Ballas had designed the original machines, those original machines were not given sentients, because that would be against the law. The whole point of making their weakness to the Void was to stop them if they unfortunately became sentient.
I have a theory on what Requiems might be. We were introduced to the requiem runes with kuva liches. we use a specific combination of this runes to be able to kill an inmortal being. I think DE based this mechanic on the concept of "true names" which appears in some mythologies. This concept says that every god has a secret true name and those who know that name will have total control above the being. In warframe, Requiem runes might be the true language, the language of the void. By drinking the kuva/becoming a Tenno you become inmortal, a god in sort way, but you are also getting that secret name, which is known by The Man In the Wall and that's how he can control you. This is also why once you know the liches' true name you can also control them and make them your ally or even kill them. I think that the Requiems spelled by The Man in the Wall might be your secret name, a reminder that you are part of his plan
I wish the Parazon/Requiem would be more of a Tenno thing than a Warframe thing if that's the case, also separate from the Hacking
Right now it just feels like a glorified USB Port, and Liches are just Kuva Cyborgs
this might actually be how we're meant to possibly fight the man in the wall. figure out his true name, the real essence of whatever he is
That's a great theory. Let's see how it will play out.
@@owynpham1478 As be the lore we know, “For that purpose, Albrecht discovered the Requiem Words, devices imbued with unknown power that are capable of permanently stopping a living being's resurrection through Continuity”, which is then explained to be why we use them against the Kuva Liches, beings which use red Kuva which allows the drinker to essentially transfer their conscience between bodies to essentially live forever as the Orokin once did. Others before him who had ventured into the void hadn’t seen the man in the wall, while he had. This influence his decision to abstain from Kuva, fearing it was the other self who had truly crossed over in his stead. Even the “What took you so long, Kiddo” line if you drink the Kuva mirrors how his double called him little bengal. So yeah, not really much to this guy’s theory.
@@williamzinedineh Wouldn't he be just an infinitely long sequence of Oull then?
Even if Ballas is a top-tier schemer that is able to hide his true motives 100% of the time, I still find it hard to believe that Erra willingly gave Ballas complete, utter control of the entire Sentient army. It paints Erra as a total moron and not as the threat we were teased. His unceremonious 'death' adds further salt to the wound; as if DE wanted to be rid of him and Ballas as soon as possible.
I mean...to be fair Erra was kind of a total moron. Its not exactly an uncommon trope. Rebellious son thinks he can run things better than dad but has no clue what he is doing and fucks things up royally at first opportunity? yeah that's nothing new. As for his "death"? To be entirely fair he was needed to be Rid of so the final boss could be between Mother, Son, and Deadbeat dad. He didn't have a place there so it made sense for them to remove him.
Yeah, Erra was wasted af. The quest really dropped the ball when it comes to setups from Prelude to the War quests.
Likely because Erra actually died, like the lotus remembered it. He was assblasted by 6 void beams and the lotus clearly remembers him being utterly destroyed. Ballas likely rebuilt him as part of his gambit to get the sentients under his control, and there is no way to know if he didn't make him a little easier to persuade. That, and Erra was just desperate to actually end the war in sentient victory, that he would easily be blinded about understanding that it would end up being a hollow victory with drastic consequences.
After all we have seen that throughout history, revolutionaries overthrowing their government for being evil and corrupt only to install a worst tyrant in its place.
he wasnt wasted.... he killed Teshin
NOW TESHIN, he was wasted
mean while Hunhow below Uranus: Look at him Shadow, look at my son thinking he knows better. Kids am i right? Also, did you know it was your beloved master Ballas who orchestrated the fall of the old empire by manipulating my own daughter to guide the Tenno? I think you're better off staying here than serving Ballas, he's no good for you, and i need a companion down here, it gets lonely you know.
Stalker realizing the truth: fucking what?
yoooo, great to see you back man! Can’t wait for your takes on all the new lore to come
yooo still great to see you commenting again mate
where u have beeni missing u
hope ya sstill remember me
like ur old frendo
God this is such a well done recap, I feel like DE could've done a bit of a better job conveying everything but then again that would take like 10 hours and I still have to respect this expansive story they've been able to convey in a nine year old free to play looter shooter
not that 10h of story quest would've bothered me lol
If it meant better pacing then it’s a sacrifice I am willing to make lol
Exactly my thoughts
@@N.M.E.me too but they should give an option in that case to be able to go back to normal activities
I thought the way they "showed" eternalism was really cool. When The Man in the Wall grabbed your hand and your body "split" into all those copies was really visually striking. There were a few parts of The New War that I thought felt a bit rushed or that weren't totally fleshed out, but overall, it was an amazing addition to the game.
Oh, also, it's a really clever way of explaining how all the Tenno actually exist together in the game world. They seem to be slightly unbound to a hard timeline by their personal interaction with The Void via The Man in the Wall. The mission to claim Umbra showed this too; if you're killed your Tenno enters a sort of sleep state in The Void for a few seconds before being revived to attempt the capture of Umbra again, seemingly manipulating the course of time to go back and try again. Perhaps not even necessarily "going back in time," but collapsing a new timeline or entering a parallel line in which your success is yet to be determined. This stuff is just all so crazy. It seems, to me, that we ALL chose to interact with The Man in the Void in our own personal timeline prior to The New War and doing so gives us a special connection to The Void in which we all exist in the same reality because of the choice we made in what could be thought of as "sperate before times". Digital Extremes really is getting philosophical giving us all this deep stuff to think about! Also, thanks for the explanation on how the Narmer Veils work on The Drifter. Since we currently can't go back to replay this quest there was a bunch of stuff I missed since I have memory problems. Your work really is indispensable!
Ballas' ploy to drive a wedge between the Tenno and the Lotus was so effective, some players are still obscessed with/disappointed they didn't get to kill her.
I have to assume Erra did die, or was put into an eidolon state, and was only restored by his archons.
Wally says: I'll take your light.
After the final encounter, Natah's hand can be seen smoking like a candle having been snuffed out. My guess is that he took something from her.
Yeah, the color change was certainly important and signifies...something. I'm looking forward to what the hell that final encounter is going to lead to. It was certainly subtle, odd, and a lot was left unsaid and unexplained. Especially after your Tenno asks the Lotus point blank what she experienced she hesitates and then say's, "Uh, nothing love..." essentially. She's hiding something. But I get the feeling she's trying to protect us from it, but as many parents know, the more you try to protect your children from the truth the more that can come bite you in the ass later.
If you do the Snake Archon’s mission you can see they were building Erra a new body with more limbs. My guess is he lived and swapped bodies. Even his form we see in the New War sports kuva.
My personal theory is that he took the light of being one singular being from her and shoved Margulis, Natag and Lotus in there. As she state later, 3 identities are fighting in there.
@@darthgiorgi4990 That’s the thing, Natah is a shapeshifter sentient first and foremost. She was sent as part of a deal between Hunhow and Ballas to aid in the downfall of the Orokin. Ballas manipulated her and warped her mind to try to make her like a more obedient version of his wife, one he could control, one who’d listen to him, but it failed after a while and from there the Lotus was born (metaphorically speaking). So the three people in one actually refers to the identities she knows as being “her”.
And the LordD said “LET THERE BE LORE!!!”.
Thus there was lore.
And it was good.
Idk, the quest was so poor that I have hard time looking at anything Warframe related.
@@ghost_pl9259 That's like, your opinion, man.
I think if someone cares about Warframe lore or writing in general, they cant miss New War shortcomings.
@@ghost_pl9259 New War was ass. I’m still having a hard time believing we were forced to wait almost 4 years for this quest
@@leonardwimbelton8920 Hard to tell you, but there is a perfect way to knew if your story is bad. If anything can happen, it's mean none of it really matter.
Example: someone imprisons you? Nope, not this *time*.
In short: time\multiverse suxx.
Ballas revives Erra using Kuva. Nobody seems to point out he has large, obviously new red orbs on his body lol.
After watching this, you’ve highlited so many things I missed or didn’t understand. The fact “Wally” uses natah’s severed hand to seal the pact which then gets transported to duvhiri giving the drifter our abilities in duvhiri. The fact the Vitruvian statue is the man in the wall since it’s missing its finger, which is currently in the back of our railjack, like so many dots are being connected in my mind.
Ah yes, the most anticipated lore vid in the past few months
When I first completed the quest, I interpreted my Tenno's question to her as "What did you see at the end (of your life, when Ballas killed you)?". Since Sentients have an artificial soul, they would have no afterlife, so she was saying she saw "nothing" as opposed to how humans claimed to see a "light at the end of a tunnel". And "what did you see" is a common trope question directed at people who have come back to life after being declared dead, as Natah/Lotus did through the events of the quest.
I didn't even consider the question as the "end" referring to the end of the conflict with Ballas until others started referring to it that way.
I haven't even thought of that, I like that question much more
Theory for the Tenno, in each of our perspectives we make the deal with the man in the wall in one universe which becomes the primary reality where we the Tenno become the main character who accomplishes all these story feats, but we also have become, like you said, a multi-versal being that exists across realities meaning each other player is a Tenno who is active like you as the main character in their own reality but also active as just another Tenno operative in yours. This is also why one Tenno makes the deal yet all get powers. As for Rell, I believe he is an exceptional case where he realised the nature of what happened and made the decision to act in a similar manner across all realities rejecting the role the man in the wall gave him which is why he attracted his gaze, but we, across all realities, simultaneously put Rell to rest leading to Rell's death across all realities which is why his death is permanent since there is no other reality to anchor to and from.
the other players are not the protagonist tenno across multiple realities, they are just the other children from the Zariman
@@ovencake523 Yes, I implied that was the case... in our perspective.
In another players perspective, they are the protagonist and you are just another child from the zariman.
Our experience of our character being the protagonist and others being just other children from the zariman is in theory canonical.
In other words your statement is true in your experience but in game there is another reality where that player can say the exact same thing...
Multiverse are really easy to argue complicated mind-bending concepts though to be fair.
(basically, it cannot be disproven as a possibility unless DE themselves say it is not canonical)
@@neowild oh ok i think it get what you're saying now
so every player is in a different timeline, where their tenno is the main character tenno.
hm thats actually not a bad way to headcannon how multiplayer works
Huh, some things i actually would've missed without this explanation. This actually helps a hell of a lot of things. This makes a lot more sense now with some of the stuff in the quest.
Thanks for answering a lot of the questions the quest left me with. It's going to make the eventual replay of the quest a lot more interesting.
The concept of Eternalism really opens a lot of avenues for where the story could go in the future. It reminds me of how Final Fantasy 14 handled it's rebirth, maintaining player/character agency across a relaunch/timeskip, while simultaneously introducing other parties with different outcomes from the same initiating event. One thing that rubbed me the wrong way was how the player actions made "you" more important that all other Tenno, bearing all of the responsibility, truly being the hero of one's own story (12:55). I liked when the story driven operations, like Scarlet Spear, were collaborative with all Tenno/Players on equal footing in terms of importance. However, Eternalism once again affords your Tenno to be of more importance than others, falling back on the fact that through infinite realities and timelines, each Tenno is able to be the hero of their own story while simultaneously a pawn in another's reality. This allows for the events of the quest (and even those of previous quests) to be experienced by the player from a "main character" point of view, for each and every player, beautifully melding the game's need for a "player one" while maintaining the story's lore-based foundation. But this makes me wonder, in the case of the Man in the Wall, is he Extra-eternal? Is the man in the wall that is encountered by both the operator and the drifter singular in his existence across realities and timelines? Or does he too follow the rules of Eternalism, existing innumerably infinitely? The story we are given seems to point to the former, which makes him truly terrifying!
Lastly, just wanted to say that 10:12 - 10:27 was beautifully written.
"...locked within a temporal prison of some kind, in an island of reality within the void..." 12:22
With the hand of Natah...
This is days after Tennocon 2022 I'm watching, now having seen the gameplay of Duviri...
You're too good at this...
Just the sheer encapsulation of a myriad potential interpretations into well thought and concise explication renders this, our Loremaster, eternal.
It's the best way for DE to basically never run out of lore reasons for things for as long as they can come up with new plot points, I bet "because eternalism" is going to be the main explanation for a lot of things going forward
This is extremely well done and explains the story very well, 100% deserves a like from everyone
Teshin’s death was too abrupt. They could’ve made it more dramatic, for example it could have been the tenno getting held in the head by erra. Then teshin comes in saving us and THEN dying in the process
yea, teshin’s death didn’t even strike me as his death
It just seemed to me like he was out of it, as in he didn’t have the strength to continue the fight, not like erra crushed his skull or whatever he did to kill him
I only just realised today that he actually died. I either forgot because it was so quickly passed by or I just never noticed he died.
@@y0u_called I thought played it off as Teshin not actually being dead since they didn’t even mention it 😂
@@thebestthebestthebestthebe5249yo hold up so the tenshin that died is a younger one than the one from duviri, the older tenshin ?
@@june-ru1rgtenshin got chucked in a basement called duviri, his damaged mind mixed with void energy to make a thing
The eternalism has a lot of potential as a plot device. Look at what the new spider-man movie did with all three onscreen. I hope de finds a good formula for manufacturing story. Mabe like gw2 or eso having events and quests that lead to expansion level events.
Love having you back always watch your videos if i need a refresher on the lore
Ooh, I'm even more happy to have choosen Natah at the end, I hope she end up talking about the Void one day, especially the details of the first voyage of the Sentient to Tau
I’m hoping they add some unique dialogue for each personality. Margulis and Natah could reminisce about their time with the Orokin and the sentients respectively. This way your choice feels less like a simple cosmetic change and adds some interesting lore-bites to listen to after the quest is done
I chose Lotus because it was what I was used to but almost immediately regretted it. I wish I had chosen Natah as well.
@@-sanju- Same. as soon as I found out that I can customize our space mom.
@@-sanju- Me too kinda.
@@josephmcsticc164 How can you do so?
6:00 I don't think there were any leftover remains of the Tenno for Ballas to fight.
We know all Tenno "left" without a word at once, as explained by Nora Night. Considering that the deal is directly related to you, getting banished can easily affect other Tenno.
The stabbing by Paracesis also glitches out the screen transference-style. It might be that Paracesis was always secretly designed to be able to banish all Tenno into the void simultaneously.
7:20 Additionally, the Deacons are a core mechanic to keep someone veiled. They weaken a target before veiling them if needed, and the disappearance of Deacons post Ballas's death clearly led to a large chunk of Grineer and Corpus freeing themselves.
23:32 I don't think Lotus being possessed is too unlikely. She's unique- she has the Tenno's touch (the void), she has seen the walls other face, she "survived" being thrown into the void, and she's called, "The queen of the aphids, with her eye in the void."
In the quest completion screen, ber suspicious smirk while holding up the same hand that was smoking after the wall disappeared is also very telling.
hmm yea u might be up on something here i do agree that that smile at the end of the quest was sus .... if it doesnt work with the tenno or drifter why not have a plan b or c (as lotus/natah/margulis)
I just hope to be rid of the plotline of "let's help save mom"
@@CZOM027 after the jupiter rework i was hoping to have a chance to seperate ourselves from lotus entirely, guess not
TWW+our operator being the one that made the deal with Kiddo explains the first bit.
Operators non chair presence is entirely made by manipulating void powers to fullest in the first place (remember, no other tenno "in setting" went through unlocking the powers Spacemom locked off before the moon pods), so the moment we/the person that made the deal with Kiddo was stuck in the void by our transference focus being disrupted sufficiently via being stabbed by massive stick AND were replaced by the Drifter (as per eternalism, even if the lack of them being able to both be present outside the void at the same time causes some issues due to how multiverse eternalism would be set up), all the other tenno ceased being tenno because the drifter didnt take that specific version of the deal the real Operator did, so all the "tenno" then present in regular reality also still didnt get their void powers (yet) like the drifter.
As for Lotus smirk, i think thats more DE being unable to make humans look even vaguely human when it comes to face stuff as Drifter and Ostron animations also prove. Still her being influenced by Daivoidpinchi man is a legit and interesting option.
i think it's also the fact that lotus' chamber was in the void along with lua for a long time
13:36 I believe that at least after The War Within quest, the identity of the Tenno became exposed to all of the Origin System (but probably not the fact many are still in Reservoirs). So, even currently, while possibly every other Tenno is still in the Second Dream, they've at least learned that.
And I think they may be a lot better off in Reservoirs; because if my speculation is correct that our Operator's the only one to have Ordis, and an Orbiter, then the other Tenno have no Somatic Link where their bodies can stay.
Don't Lua have constant Grineer and Corpus activities now ?
It wouldn't really be safe
Even if Orbiters are hard to come by they can probably stay in the Relays
@@traior246 And what's there in the Relays to help those kids connect to Warframes? Somatic Links? 'Cause there'd have to be.
I mean...there can be
Personally I believe every Tenno has their own Orbiter
Every tenno has their own orbiter.
@@BigHailFan And we know that because?
Through my gameplay, the Void, Man in the Wall and now Elder Gods never appeared to me as a threat or an enemy to be confronted. It always felt more of a neutral force that even Orokin never understood. There are so many ways that the Void manipulates the world of Warframe that it could have easily had more of an impact. But it chooses to probe, show here and there. The biggest example is the Reliquary Drive and how it's freely being used by our Operator. It does not seem to me that the physical part of the Drive was taken by force - more likely a some sort of a contract, deal that was made at some point. Similar to the deal the Operator makes with the Void to survive the Zariman incident.
Albrecht may've accidentally made a bargain with the Wall-Man regarding FTL. Wall-Man no doubt has one of Albrecht's fingers as a display piece somewhere.
@@koldraxonofthefirstseven5718 we have it in the Railjack
@@aravinds3846 I know, but that's Wall-Man's; Albrecht's could be in a similar case in the equivalent of a museum.
YES! Been waiting ages for this one!
adding onto your thoughts about duviri tied into this quest, if you chose the drifter, when you go into your Warframe they say "Can't be harder than riding a horse" (I think) notice that in the duviri paradox trailer the "Operator" or drifter is riding a horse...
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@@Someonelol723 And adding on post tennocon 2022, yep. Just yep
Thanks StallordD for explaining everything so well as always, I feel like I didn't understand or just plain know like 50% of the things that happened during the quest, trailers, mini quests. :P
I feel like DE could do better at telling the story more straightforward, so dumb people like me could understand it.
the story is meant for those with brains henceforth why everything is being told the way it is
the only issue I have is that DE loves retconning everything so it's kind of hard to figure out what's canon and what isn't because there's a lot of lore in the game but I'd say at least half of it has been retconned and forgotten about
"This new quest baffles me so much. I wish everything was clearer"
*Watches a quest recap and explanation*
"This is a masterpiece of storytelling"
My version would be:
"This new quest baffles me so much. Who the hell made this and why does it feel like last night before school summer homework done by someone who didnt do the prior quests."
*Watches a video*
"StallordD can make even bullshit plot into a masterpiece of investment."
The Void Lore makes sense in this quest, how certain characters act however was total bs. The writing was poor compared to the emotions of the Second Dream or the Sacrifice.
At the end of the quest I choose Lotus to stay as the Lotus because it was the only identity she choose herself.
She was constructed as Natah, with the porpouse of infiltrating the Orokin she transformed into Margulis, but it was her new found love for the Tenno who made her becoming the Lotus. She always was what everyone else wanted her to be, a spy, a lover, a sister, a weapon... Only the Lotus was her choice.
Fun fact: Narmer was the name of the first pharao that united lower and upper egypt under one crown around 3000BC.
THE RETURN OF THE KING! 👑
Well done! DE left us with a ton of stuff to discuss and you, sir, are leading the discussion wonderfully!!!
Fantastic content, I really love this game's lore and in my sincerely opinion your videos are the most clarifying ones. Good to see that you are back, I used to watch all of your deep and rich lore videos a few years ago, hope to see more of this incredible job of yours soon.
Erra's motivation to give ballas full control is kinda justified if u think abt it. For starters, unlike his father or natah. He is not a fighter, he is an engineer, a scientist (evident by how he made the archons and caliban) he is simply the nerd of the familly who tries to prove his worth. After his father's failure and natah's betryal, he was left broken, desperate for any chance of victory. And so he gave ballas everyrhing. The sentients followed naturally since erra was the heir at that point
The lore king has returned! Glad to have you back man. Great video. I am curious what the significance of the staff was. We kept it as an orbiter decoration so I wonder if it wasn't just purely ornamental. I have a feeling we're going to see Hunhow and his boy again too.
I know people wanted a bigger ending for the quest, but i gotta say the dialogue in the last scene really hit home for me. Especially Ballas
I've seen people say "uh hes such a crybaby, damn simp" but thats what makes his character, or rather the situation we find ourselves in so great.
At some point, he was the defacto ruler of the first "human" spacefaring civilization, some years later AGAIN, with even more control.
But the fact that Margulis left him *FOR US* made him so bitter that he would cast all life in our solar system into the fire.
Some years ago I saw a great drama/horrorfilm that had that exact same premise, only with a normal family.
The parents live a happy rural life, until their triplets are born. The mother turns all her affection towards the kids, sending the father out every night to gather more firewood so her precious special kinds are always warm. The lack of affection scorns the father, who feels left alone, robbed of his paradise out in the wilderness. He becomes so jealous of the kids that he tries to eat them, turning into a feral wolfmonster. After years of assault and being hunted by their father, the family tries to confront him, and while the mothers warm touch turns him back into a more manlike state, he declares that they can be togheter now and will be warm and happy forever. After which he sets the house on fire.
I'll have to look into the name again though, its a pretty old russian film.
Sorry for the wall of text, but that quest and the connections I made kept me up for like 3 nights after I finished TNW :D
I finished this quest yesterday and seeing all the information layout like this was really nice to see, ty for the video!!
Super enjoyed this. Thank you! Hope to see more when Duviri Paradox launches in 2027.
Bruh, I never even considered that Ballas is a man driven made by the lack of Love that he once had. On a very surface level, he just appears as someone who just wants power, and will do anything to be the top of every chain possible.
These videos are amazing!
I haven't played Warframe in a while so this video really makes enjoying the lore easy and insightful
You deserve more love man, you make this confusing game digestible. Even if some of it is still up for speculation.
Man I really needed this, thank you. I'm probably not the only one that had some trouble when The New War hit remembering everything in the past and putting it all together. Not to mention this Eternalism and Quantum Reality
Super great video. Very detailed and helped a lot with some of my confusion.
I'm sad cuz it's the first time i can't cope after a stallord video but on the other hand this video is a banger and you're finally back that's cool af
I've been waiting for this video since your TNW run! Nice job! Looking forward for the next pieces of lore brake down by you!
Excellent clear and simple explanation thank you! I was so confused after doing the quest but now it all makes sense
The man in the wall didn’t just make a deal with you. Because of eternalism, he made a deal with each and every tenno aboard that ship. My character, yours, and everyone else. The devs confirmed a long time ago that each player is canonically the main character. Every Tenno shook his hand.
I got so excited when I saw this upload! The cephalon interpretation of the void is one we haven’t seen much of and I wish we could have seen our operator talk to Cy or ordis about it. Also I wonder what will happen to motivate us to investigate the void further in the duviri paradox
Thank you for this! A lot of the stuff in the quest is oddly vague and somewhat appears out of nowhere. This all condenses it in a way that makes sense.
When the portal to the void opened and the man came through, I'm under my personal opinion he left and then closed it because it just vanishes. Like a God intervened. I'm also under the impression that Wally, as he's referred too... sent the drifter the moment he felt something happen. Like, he's neither good nor evil in my eyes, just a deity who wants order and he does deliver order, albeit a tad distorted. Like, there is an end game for this entity and apparently the destruction of the origin system isn't apart of that plan. Only time will tell.
But my favourite part was the Unum speaking, calling us dreamers and then displaying power like you haven't seen power before. It was glorious, but a little saddening because she was being defiled this entire time. Kinda broke me.
Fantastic work! Your accentuation and general speech is perfect, keeping the pressure or anticipation of what the end may bring is giving me goosebumps. Please keep on creating these story explanations ♥️
Jesus man, I was in my orbiter and right when the video ended I turn around to see the mockery of my operator leaning around the corner from the back hallway before I hear the whole "Hey kiddo" schtick, talk about timing.
It’s finally here. Thank you for taking the time to make this. I love your videos
It is absolutely awesome that everything I theorized about Ballas was not only confirmed but almost spot on by the New War quest but yours and Dseige's lore videos.
Your warframe lore videos are the thing that keeps me going! Gorgeous choice of words and beautifully drawn stories! Keep it up man you make warframe stand out as far more than a simple game.
Ah the legend is back, was waiting for you to make a video on the quest after watching your stream. You do sound very professional in lore videos as I had known, but the stream was a casual guy playing and I loved it. Thanks man.
man, the void always made me uneasy ever since i've touched that damn finger on my railjack, and now that it shows how much of an existential threat i fear for what's to come, and rell's sacrifice feels a lot heavier, great video btw
Really pissed Teshin basically died for shock value, i hope DE will somehow rectify it in Duviri... Oh... the horseman... i have a bad feeling now
Agreed I honestly didn’t think he was dead till I finished The New War…
honestly Teshin has no role in the game outside of the Natah quest,Conclave,and Steel Path so him being alive is pointless really lol
Don't leave is again Starlord, BNP was about to take over the lore. Could you imagine XD
Warframe has some pretty great lore. Thankfully they're actually doing something with it now. The MIGHTY SEER has the deepest lore imo
I'd love to learn about it
@@Mechanomly most people think that captain vor was beaten by the tenno and was saved by his key. This isn't the case. The Holy vor was once the wielder of the MIGHTY SEER but he tried to control it using his janus key. Thus the MIGHTY SEER cast him aside and it just so happened to be when the tenno came in. Now I am the MIGHTY SEERS chosen one
If you look closely at all void Portals , it closely resembles the eyesights on the Mighty Seer. Coincidence? I THINK NOT
@@aravinds3846 you are very wise sunbro. It can SEER us at all times
Been looking forwards to you views and lore video on The New War ever since I played it. I had some ideas myself but it was good to think about them as you spoke about the lore. Awesome work again mate :)
When the Man in the Wall came out while Natha was trying to close the void, it felt like he was peering through a hole. We are now aware he's there but he's always known about us. I think it was more to visualise him looking through a magnifying glass at us but not nessasarily him trying to escape.
all i have to say is that the story of warframe is tragic but then at the new war is so satifying at the end and ties up alot of things that needed explaining, i am proud to be apart of this community on the whole. I chose lotus out of not knowing if i choose her the events in the diveri paradox will move plus ive gotten so used to her that im like no natah and margialus arent her.
so happy you made another vid ! your lore and story quest videos were so fun i had to watch them again ! glad ur back
I think one thing people miss out on the Handshake is how it shows how the void and eternalism makes sense of The Operator's deaths in various parts of the game. Whenever our operator dies in War Within and similar missions, it shows the operator floating in the void. I reckon this is the void searching and locating in the vastness of eternalism the version of us that did not die to either snap to that reality or pull that version out as a backup as the Tenno is a void anchor after all. I think this is supported by the handshake scene since you see the Operator dying in different ways.
Furthermore, I think that the polarities between Operator and Drifter is more than just Saved/Not Saved from the Zariman but also with how the void makes use of them.
The Operator is an Anchor in time, a constant that doesnt grow older in a reality where time moves.
However the Drifter is a dynamic, always changing, aging in Duviri, a reality where time is static.
I think its through these two different anchors in time that the void has secured itself into reality.
If the Operator was to be thrown into the Void, which is like dividing by 0 because the Operator is himself an anchor of the Void, the Void spits out the Drifter to correct this by becoming the temporary anchor in the baseline reality as they still have the same temporal signature.
"The Operator/Drifter Exists Here".
Meaning that a possible way to completely destroy the Operator is by first killing the Drifter in Duviri, then banishing the Operator into the Void.
I'm really curious as to what the life cycle of the sentients is. Do they slowly grow from batallyst, to the size of the lotus and erra, to the size of hunhow, then finally to ship?
From what I can tell they are more like bees or ants in a way, with the “queen” or mother having created the necessary types. But the journey to Tau rendered them infertile. This is part of why the deal with Alad V was crucial, as the mutations of the Amalgams allowed for them to “reproduce” to some degree.
I thought the sentients were more like self-replicating hive-mind robots
The sentients would make what was necessary to accomplish a task, let it be a battalyst, to a murex, to whatever
But Hunhow, and pergossa (idk how it’s spelt) were made by the orokin to be a starting point, more or less
They’re given a higher level of understanding and power as a starting point or a tool that the orokin didn’t think the tau system would be able to have the resources to create
Also, pergossa was made to have the sentients go through the void to get to Tau, meaning someone aware of their weakness (the orokin) had to make it do that
2022 is trully a good year welcome back John Prodman!
With how horrible the presentation ingame is, this makes it much more cohesive. Thanks.
Well worth the wait. I hoped ur video on it would one day grace my feed
First video UA-cam recommends from your channel, very well explained, everything makes sense. Helped me tie some loose threads in the story.
in a dialoge with ordis the drifter says that "riding a ship(I think) was like riding a horse" therefore this quest is after paradox trailer
Let me condense this entire video down: nobody knows what is happening and you stop caring after a while but something is happening
they didnt try to kill the heart, which is weird
also after Ballas dies the sun no longer effects us
the narmer faction as of now isnt even a new threat.... its just the old with a faceplate; even in the game its just another corpus/grineer. their ability to work together does precious little for the fact every other faction dislikes them.
Thank you for making the quest clearer!! I needed that closure!
A worthy addition to your illuminating collection. A tribute to your legendary reputation!
I like how Eternalism, infinitely vast or nothing, is still contained within the void, which makes the reality we live in still valuable and not to be disregarded as "just another reality" that can be easily disposed of
Great to have a new story for you to return, and help us enjoy more of the Warframe Lore
Great explanation of the (at least for me) super confusing New War quest. Ty StallordD.
25:19 I’d say Quill Onkko seems pretty aware.
Been waiting for you to do this ! Thank you !
Having watched your playthrough of the new war you are so different than I thought lol, it was really fun though and i love these lore videos, this is such a convoluted story and im glad you can make sense of it and explain it very well, i cant wait for more
Man you are so nostalgic to me, thank you so much for these! 🤗
I love the Zariman tileset so much. The people who were in charge of those places are amazing.
Thank you so much for this video, it was invaluable & helped me to piece together some crucial story details.
This is excellent. With the paradox coming out soon, I have to show this to other players.
My personal theory on the Unum is when you hear the voice it calls you "Dreamer" and the only other person that calls you "Dreamer" is from Nightwave. Their voices also sound similar enough in how it is said.
I disagree there given Nora's voice is easily identifiable and the Unum's voice was far different from Nora's given the accent differences
How rude! You forgot the worm queen (who also calls us dreamers)
Thank you so much for this video. It shows that I have indeed understood nothing about this new quest but now I'm up to date :)
I applaud the fact that you still consider and can join together all of what we saw in TNW with the previous material we had. But I fear the quest itself had little to do with what the prologue seemed to indicate it would go to.
My take on events starting from the point Ballas takes "The Lotus" away, and all the events and trailers that come after that; is that they seem to be poiting that "The Lotus" is no longer our ally, that in some way or another, the is no longer with us. In fact Ordis comes up with a "virtual Lotus" to replace her in game, that is how "NOT WITH US" she is.
And so we seem to be tasked to bring her back. But in doing so, what should have been the main question of this quest araises: "Who is/was 'The Lotus'?". Notice I have been putting her in quotes. Is she "The Lotus"? Or is she Margullis? or is she Natah?
As The Lotus she has been guiding us, the player, and our purpose in the game.
As Natah we have her as a scentient enemy, that in the quest actually tries to kill us.
As Margullis she leaves us to go with Ballas, implying she still loves him, or has some feelings for her.
Why is this question important? Because by asking "Who the Lotus is?" we reach the real meaningful question, "Who are we? / What is our purpose?".
If The Lotus is The Lotus, then our quest is justified in the name of bringing peace and union.
If she is Natah, then she is our enemy, and maybe what we have been doing was not in order to bring any peace but we have been used. And we probably should kill Natah.
If she is Margullis, then maybe WE the player are THE BAD GUYS in this whole story, who brainwashed Margullis to pretend to be someone she was not.
The war in TNW is a conflict that surrounds this main conflict of our exsistance in the game. This question is posed at the end of the quest, but with no context and with no consequence. It is treated, in fact, as a cosmetic change. This is a question that will not have an answer in The Duviri Paradox, that should have come to meaning in this quest.
What are WE fighting for?
ah yes, warframe has no endgame
@@matowakan ?? Warframe has plenty of end game options. I am talking about the story here. Not the gameplay
@@ArgKnoxville86 You didn't understand the long running joke in the warframe community, the idea is that there isn't much of a reason to play warframe besides the obvious
They dropped the whole Natah/Lotus identity problem for Duviri setup, hard to let that one slide.
@@wolfofwarframe3807 I know. What I am saying is that that identity question was, or rather, should have been the focus of this expansion. Not because I wanted to, but because it should have been.
We, the players, go to "rescue The Lotus", but in order to do that, we NEED to know WHY. And behind that why is "who is she? who are we? and what do we fight for?".
With that resolved we could then move forwards and beyond, going into the void, going to face the man in the wall.
With this lack of resolution, everything being up in the air like this, it feels like they are always moving the chair away and baiting us every time. Now we have to think like you say "this is a set up for Duviri", but isn't that what we thought of TNW?
Your videos are always amazing and i'm so happy your back! Your new editor did a great job btw very smooth!
Absolutely love the content. Glad you're back
yessss... you're back!!
i've been waiting for this!!!
Through endless faces, countless forms, a multitude unfolds. Its heralds are the stars it fells the sky and earth aflame. To cosmic madness laws submit through stalwart minds entreat. To cosmic forms from tangent planes we end as we began. From brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bears no name.
Oull, Ris, Xata, Vome, Khra, Lohk.
I've literally been waiting since the new war for this video my guy
I was always under the impression the eidolons on earth are the shattered remnants of Natahs mother, whom i think is the giant sentient remains in the background
I think it's possible that every player character is one tenno who shook hands with the man in the wall on the Zariman. We accepted it in our reality and the drifter didn't in another. Whose to say how many different tenno have done the exact same quests in the vast possibilities of eternalism. Not only that but meeting the drifter proves that you could meet those other operators.