WARFRAME | The Stalker, The Warframes and Their Connections
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- What's going on with The Stalker? The first thing that ever scared me in this game has undergone some real character development over the years but... a good bit of it is kind of buried so I thought I would uncover it and share what I understand about him, and do my normal speculation thing as well. Care to join me?
0:00 Intro
01:20 Stalker Backstory
03:33 The Old War
11:22 The Tenno Warframe Fusion Dance
17:50 The Stalker's Moment
20:31 An Ally?
21:20 The Real Questions
28:40 Outro
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Remember when we used to think Hunhow was the final boss?
People thought there was a final boss???? Bruh I couldn’t imagine Warframe having a final boss…at least before the man in the wall was visualized but even then…just hard to imagine when the game will end
@@hardluckmk.52did they think there will be no post game final bosses are not the final boss because there always will be a boss you can fight
we are not even touching the tau system yet, the final boss is still way far.
I thought hunhow was gonna be a end of a story arch boss but obviously I was wrong.
@@hardluckmk.52 It's more that they thought Hunhow was gonna be some kind of end capping boss, something to finish off the sentient quest and move on to bigger things. Then we got BallAss instead.
To compare, the Elder Queen can be considered the end boss for the "Pre-operator" section of the game, after you beat her you get the Operator, essentially ending that 'section' of the game.
Now, Hunhow is basically just not there. He's not even a villain at this point, at least not a present one.
That fact that you pointed out "You never see Stalker and his Acolytes in the same room" leads me to believe that Stalker's Operator is just swapping between Warframes like we do. XD
But he was a guardian, not a tenno
@@shadekage01 The stalker seems to be a consciousness on perpetual transference, as happened with Rell. Hard to tell if he was a tenno (as Hunhow implies in the second dream), or another kind of soldier subject to some kind of orokin experiment. Anyway, I don't think that every tenno wanted to destroy the empire, there's always someone that doesn't follow the pattern.
@@shadekage01"you ask yourself, 'was i one of these wretched things?'"
@Capitan_Captain In his info it explains that he was a guardian of the orokin which is above the Dax, my assumption is that like umbra he was transformed into a warframe, but the way he maintains control is because he has no regrets he lost everything to the tenno, and only focuses his rage on hunting them, but being a guardian it explains y he is so good at killing, and I believe when he looks at himself after hunhow saying were u one of these wreched things is because he forgot who he was before he transformed, similarly like how umbra forgot who he was and only lived in pain
Also that he knows all different attacks and skills, plus he is similar to umbra, and as the people turn into warframes they turn into a warframe that reflects their personality, which in stalkers case is quite similar to umbra, but is also different and more dark
I've always seen the stories of the Warframes in the Levarian as people attributing the actions of the Tenno to the Warframes they control, as historically thats the only interaction most people had with the Tenno. For their safety I could even imagine the true nature of the Tenno being purposefully kept a secret from larger Orokin and human society.
That's what I think too
I agree. It would have been a huge PR nightmare for the Orokin Elite to utilize what are essentially child soldiers.
It was that which drove Margulis to desent. When you think about it, if having an Archimedean even verbally rebel against the Orokin Emporers was enough to "award her the honor of the jade light," then I bet the truth was a highly guarded secret.
@@felicityseleneford There is also the fact that the existence of the Tenno would have delt a secondary PR blow beyond child soldiers. That they covered up the Zariman being found and it having survivors. afaik they covered up the ship coming back and the existence of any survivors.
I personally like to think that it is a retcon that some warframes are sentient just because of the fact that it's cooler for the warframes to be actual characters with morals rather than being an empty husk that tenno we never see , meet or interact with and seemingly have no role in the story, control.
I hope we get to see Arthur become the frame, as is clearly happening in the teasers and was happening in Dark Sector. As the Umbra arc showed that the human in agony and insanity Is Still technically there in the frame, full of pain and fear and hate... it's even said that's why others couldn't control the frames even though they tried many times, because they couldn't get through the pain, but the Tenno clearly had enough experience with pain, possibly only after the zariman incedent, to make the conjoining possible... Amorikin!
"Cleave it beating from its nest." Never fails to send chills down my spine
Same. It was a beautifully delivered line
My theory/opinion behind Stalker’s appearance in Duviri has always been that:
We know that objects/ entities from any point in time within the origin system can effect/enter Duviri. So I’ve always believed that the Stalker we see is from a future we have yet to see. One where Stalker (for an unknown reason) needs to help in Duviri, and understands that he must play his part.
This is what i think too, it feels like a story setup.
I have not played Duviri yet, but I do know Stalker is playable there, and I love this theory.
Well Duviri also kind of just prints shit out of thin air and after being brought closer to the main reality by the Drifter and the Operator’s reunion maybe this Stalker is just Duviri’s vision of him. Which would explain why he doesn’t separate from you like Umbra does to go do their thing.
That unknown reason would be the man in the wall. Duviri is the easiest way for Wally to breach the wall into conventional reality(the Orokin system)
Yeah, even his description says "an ally from an unknown place and time"
In Kullervo hold, you can find one small bit of lore that shines more light in this: that Kullervo was one of the first generation warframes without a tenno, that he escaped capture after the warframe rebellion, and that he came back to whisper dissent amongst the Tenno when they came.
I agree with this in part, only because there is a lot of conflicting information all over the game regarding early frames and their tenno ties. I'm hoping DE clears some of this up with Warframe 1999, as Ballas contradicts what kullervo says, and he does it to hunhow which he wouldn't have a reason to lie to if in fact he was trying to secretly court them in order to destroy the orokin from within.
You have to recall that this history in the Origin system is told from the ones who control everything. Ballast takes credit for creating the frames and yet, Helminth calls Nidus MASTER. Ballast calls the frames disobedient, beasts, and other names which the controlling class calls anyone that does not obey them.
The frames were free thinking and as such, tortured and had all types of things done to them to get them to obey. This is shown that the frames have their own minds at this point as you cannot torture robots or rocks. You torture people to bring them under your thumb and control.
This did not work but the Orokin knew the Warframes were needed to fight the Sentients.
When the Tenno came, they were able to take the pain away from the frames....but as any person knows, pain makes us stronger and grow. With the Void Demons stepping into that place where the frames were still themselves, they masked the frames minds from being free. This is shown in the mindscape that is Umbra. He is in this cast place all alone because his creation was that he could not tell anyone about what Ballast had done. Cut off from the Frame mindscape as Kullervo states he used to talk with the other frames before and after the Void Demons came along.
You have some good ideas D....just missing that major thing to pull it together - the frames ARE people with minds.
@TheDsIEGE I don't think Ballas was lying. I think it's important to remember that Ballas shared the same hubris as all Orokin. He said the warframes went mad when they rebelled, but more likely than not that was just how the orokin saw it. They didn’t want to admit that their finest warriors had become disillusioned with the empire.
My theory is that Stalker has died during Orokin Purge. However he managed to inject Helminth into his body, creating a Frame that has lost mind and is focused on single emotion/memories, which is Tenno killing everyone.
An umbra without the sorrow, but instead hatred
@@CrossClave eyyy
@@CrossClave Yes and no. The initial project was turning people into frames, but we know they can be grown as hollow shells like what we as the player utilize (thanks to Ballas' lab tanks). The first generations were all transformed people, and probably most utilized early with transference, but once you figure out you don't need an original host you can just grow and design a frame from scratch, not needing to rely on how the host develops and how well they take to whatever technical modifications you shove into them. Gives way more freedom on some of the more wild abilities and manipulations. Doubly useful in that you can readily replace lost frames on demand.
@@DracoSafariusIf that's the case, I wonder if certain frames were only made as shells and some only came from people, like how Nidus is distinctly more organic than all other frames due to just how much of the infestation are in it
@@zemosion1129 I would bet it slowly became more empty ones that were tailor designed rather than transformed, but Nidus is an interesting one. All the Helminth dialogue on the orbiter makes me think he was just pure Helminth strain grown
I have always had the theory that Stalker is your Operator’s Jungian Shadow; compartmentalized by the tech that protected you in dreamsleep from “nightmares”.
So your unintegrated Shadow found life in a Warframe. He didn’t kill your Operator after mimicking his hand gesture because subconsciously he knows he dies if the operator does. Why do you think he is immune to your powers and can always find you?
OOOOO... I like that too!
Makes sense- didn’t realize that he could be attached to your character directly…
Warframe is chock full of Jungian dualism, as DeSeige so eloquently pointed out in older video’s regarding our “copy” and the choice medallion. I could easily see your theory coming true in some fashion.
It’s no coincidence that Walley symbolically took the form of Da Vincis “Vitruvian Man”. Every aspect of Warframe is about mankind’s search for human perfection, and the struggles it brings. Notably there are NO aliens in WF: every creature is either a genetic variant of a human, or is human crafted.
As we Tenno search to find out own meaning, we hold back certain drives so that better ones bear fruit. But our “copy”, is the antithesis of that. If nothing else, warframe lore is the story of dualistic mankind’s choices. And we’re getting closer to the time we face the consequences of those choices once the medallion is complete.
100%, great post
The man in the wall is likely the duality demon of the tenno children themselves (and Albrecht Entrati) while the stalker is the demon of the warframes themselves since in my headcanon; the warframes are all conscious but without a mentor, rival, or partner (any motivational drive or source of meaning) they're animalistic and empty, leaving a void to be filled by their most primal instincts of man, machine, and monster. Always in mental pain because their minds are free from infested madness, but only just. If they have an ally of sorts who sees these creatures for what they are, who they are... Show them love... The warframes will have peace of mind, and focus rather than chaotic insanity. But this is my theory, Ballas doesn't know how tenno transference works (assumes it as like continuity, more like demonic possession) and the elder queen thought the tenno were just children and not gods with devil minds.
So under eternalism, everything that could happen did happen right? So if the tenno betrayed the orokin, there has to be a a version of reality where the tenno did NOT betray them. Im wondering if the stalker is from that version of reality, bringing justice upon those tenno scoom who betrayed the golden masters.
I'm a little fuzzy on that whole aspect of eternalism to be frank. That means a lot of things happened and didn't happen and I guess it did but I suppose it's like trying to find the specific dimension it happened in for a desired result, which sounds like a logistical nightmare yet... might look like that world between worlds shown in the whispers in the wall quest so who knows, lol...
@TheDsIEGE when we shook hands with wally, there was a cutscene where you saw a bunch of copies of yourself dying. One had a stroke, one a heart attack, one sneezed too hard, etc. Then the camera spins around, and the drifter is shaking with the operator. I think that was wally closing off all other timelines except for "deal or no deal". A final decision, a fixed point in time.
I think that's what wally does, prunes off branches of the time line.
I honestly hope the stalker is just another tenno.
Cause it would nice to see other tenno that aren't players, and possibly seeing a divide in our own faction would be cool.
imagine there would be tenno that see's things our why and the other the stalker's. (plus the tenno faction kinda lacks some real depth compared to all the others imo)
Think of fallout 3 with brotherhood of steel and the brotherhood of steel outcasts.
But if Arthur turns out to be the stalker i wouldn't complain tho.
Yes, this I agree with
I mean that's also what he pretty much explicitly is. He's a Tenno who learned the truth and went mad. They tell you this in the game. I don't know why people keep debating it.
@@cuppacoffee1572tenno are orokin colonists
The orokin were very manipulative, with mind and matter. Tenno collectively learned to hate them. It's possible that the Tenno know where Stalker's base of operations is exactly but choose not to confront him whether because of honor or because they know and are just waiting for Stalker to find out as he can be a very powerful ally. Imagine a future where we get a form of "daily" system similar to NightWave except every day there's a list of bosses the Stalker will reward us with points for taking down. But you will never get mail about "your actions have consequences" and he will never come after you. To "mix it up" DE could have Zanuka or Grustrag Three come after you depending on the associated faction of the boss instead of them only being triggered by invasions. Which in my opinion would make more sense.
@@cuppacoffee1572I get the inpression thay there's a slight distinctionto the stalker, I don't like to think he has some normal looking godloke operator somewhere I feel like his mind is trapped in the suit somehow or I think that would be a better direction for him.
Always wondered why during the second dream stalker's design clearly is based off excalibur umbra pretty much the only difference being the helmet and attachments. But during the new war and duviri he's clearly based off base excalibur and obviously looks smaller because of it.
It's a different timeline version of Stalker. This Stalker and Hunhow did not fight against the Tenno as the Drifter did not come back to get control of Warframes.
That is the reason the Stalker from New War and Duviri has no I'll towards the frames or Drifter. They didn't fight them.
Without the Tenno, the frames were free to be Warframes.
Did the Sentients win in that line and crush the Orokin empire or did the Warframes push back the invading force just taking longer. And if the Sentients lost in this timeline....who got rid of the Orokin if the Void Demons never came back on the Zariman? Those are the real questions once you realize there are different timelines converging and merging together as Oda saids in Cetus focus area
Excalibur umbra didn't exist before it was before stalker was added I know China version they have there own versions of founder as umbra
I'm so happy there is a UA-camr as particular with the intrinsics of this world as I am. Your videos feel like those good conversations you have with a friend who's just as obsessed with a subject as you are. Keep it up!
Im really starting to lean into the idea that Arthur, or at least one of his fellow experimental frames, is the stalker. All of the acolytes share a helmet, that may just be what the hood looks like closed on all those proto suits.
I'm excited to see more of the stalker i hope the acolytes are also involved some how in that quest or some how hinted that they will be given their stories too
I think Arthur is going to become an Excalibur with a Pendragon head, since Arthur in the stories of Avalon and the Round Table... had the full name of Arthur *Pendragon*
The helmet/head is tied to the Vitruvian’s data on the early Warframes. Stalker and his Acolytes are Low Guardians. Imperfect warframes in the eyes of Ballas. Not worthy of a bolt because of their stock, as they were already fiercely loyal.
I support this Hypotheses by a huge margin.
It'd be absolutely fuckin' wild if Stalker was speaking about the Tenno slaughter of the Orokin from the viewpoint of a Warframe that the Tenno were occupying, being forced to slaughter the Orokin via Transference.
Excellent work! Please also mind the kullervo story! He himself was a frame of "lower cast" who got enranged and jealous of the "new tenno controlled frames", and riot against them! In that manner he is closer to the stalker than anybody else!
Something else worth noting, is Sylvana from the Silver Grove. An Archimedian who utilized transference to enter the Grove and eventually was driven insane. Some, myself included, believe that the Stalker could possibly be a simple soldier who was placed into a transference connection in an experiment to create stronger guards or soldiers for the Orokin without needing to rely on the Tenno.
To clarify, according to the only accounts we have, the Sentients didn't lose their ability to procreate and wage war out of vengeance for that. They lost their ability to procreate as a result of of entering the void in order to return to the Origin System to after having already decided to wage war in order to stop the Orokin from ravaging Tau the way they had Origin. Now, the main source for that information is the least trustworthy character in the entire game (yes I'm including Alad V in that) but he had no reason to lie in that situation since he was talking to someone who knew the reality of the situation better than he did, so if it isn't true, it's surprisingly just because he was misinformed. They chose to lose the ability to procreate as a part of their plan to wage the war they'd already decided to start. It was a sacrifice they made in the interest of saving their home from the Orokin.
I don't feel that the idea that the created always seek to destroy their creators really fits here. The Orokin's creations all had very obvious reasons for wanting to destroy them. The Sentient just had enough time out from under their heel to get on top of it before anyone else. The Orokin empire was one of absurd cruelty and hubris. They literally worshipped themselves. Not figuratively, literally. Remember, Margulis' crime was Apostasy. The Sentient hated the Orokin because of their destructive nature, and because of the flaw they were created with. The Tenno hated them because they were cruel greedy monsters who constantly did atrocities, not least of which, murdering Margulis. The Corpus hated them because they wanted to be the ones in power, and the Grineer eventually hated them because they didn't want to be slaves anymore, but unfortunately fell for the influence of the Queens. About the only Orokin creations that don't have a reason to hate them are the Infested, because the infested don't really seem to do hate. They just wanna make everyone them.
Your theory was pretty interesting though. I interpreted the Voruna Leverian similarly to you.
Addressing the last, Its not very possible that the child was voruna's tenno. The Leverian states that the Orokin stole an Ostron child to perform the rite of Continuity, the Orokin Transference process used for immortality. The Tenno possessing Voruna likely felt recognition for the kid because of his/her own astranged nature. A feeling, but not a thought.
It's already known that DUviri is a Dream realm created by the drifter after reading the DUviri stories book.
My Theory about the Stalker, is that He is one of the first warframes, those w/o A tenno. and I really doubt that 100% of them where rid off or where complete failures. I think that A few of the original Warframes those w/o transference actually where funciontal. and this ones where giving special threatment by the orokin.
That to me could explain why Stalker is so angry about their death, because he tought he was truly appreciated by them,
That would do the job as well for certain, no doubt, and definitely possible. Hoping we find out more soon!
Yeah, that's what I think as well.
Stalker was a "high guardian" back during the empire, as well as we know there were different strains of the "warframe juice" as Umbra is given a special strain that lets him keep most of his memories.
Elite and loyal soldiers who weren't Tenno but volunteered to become test subjects. They are part of the experimentation that ends with the Helminth strain we know and use today.
Slightly before the betrayal Stalker did try to yell out and warn the elite but barely a whisper came out of his mouth. So something did change.
Hm.. So what if the stalker is a Tenno that stuck in the transference loop, like Rell in his Warframe and that scientist from Titania quest in her grove?
What i am seening here is that in two mentioned examples, people stuck in the loop, also get stuck in their thoughts, Rell - keeping Wally at bay, scientist - protecting the grove and Earth. Stalker's tenno got stuck in his warframe with the idea to serve and protect the orokin and their servants and so when we kill some big shmuck, Stalker sees that as us destroying orokin's important servant, so he goes to kill us as retribution. No to mention that we killed off almost all orokin
Definitely could be, essentially a tenno who hasn't been woken or had the ability to "wake up" would have no concept of themselves outside of the warframes.
@@TheDsIEGE maybe even sentiencets had to do something with it, since they got coordinates and access codes from Balas
@@TheDsIEGE Maybe The Stalker's tenno died, but has survived by finding sanctuary by permanent transference within the Stalker. Being an unsleeping killing machine for hundreds of years has probably caused them to forget who they are/were and turned them a little crazy. Perhaps Stalker sought to find others like them for help, but failing to do so has made Stalker angry, hateful and full of despair and dread, so he's like Umbra, but with a tenno.
I had always thought the Stalker was a frame controlled by a non-aligned faction. Perhaps like the Dax, a remnant of the old empire.
Some of the most philosophical warfare videos, the way you make connections to things in the lore without direct authentication from DE is really amazing and I believe you are very accurate in your assessments.
Hey, thank you!!! When speculating it’s always gonna be hit or miss but I think de likes to use breadcrumbs to tell the greater narrative. I know many will disagree but… I have been right on a bunch of stuff so, at least in part, I think I’m on to something! Usually!
Always equally exciting when a new Desiege video drops!
I hope you enjoy it!!!!
Can't believe it's 2023 and we're still getting new lore for this game.
I was happy knowing I was just a psychic teenager controlling half-living dead people locked inside of undying armor.
Now, this shit is getting hard to follow..
the fact the stalker mentions "low guardian" tells me that hes likely something other than a warframe. One thought is they are a Post Dax development, Dax are hard coded into the genetics to obey someone holding the Kuva staff or a kuva staff as seen during War Within. But maybe the Orokin saw a flaw there that if someone not one of them got their hands on a staff they could send dax at the masters. So the low guardians were cooked up, strictly loyal to the orokin higher ups. Maybe Stalker and his lackeys went into stasis at the fall of the empire.
The flaw here is then why does the stalker care when we kill say Jackal, Well that is could likely just be written off as a gameplay mechanic.
Warframe has very fractured lore but is still a very interesting setting, especially being one of the rare scifi settings to never leave the solar system in what is presented on screen(so far).
I remember on some live stream Rebecca showed off her helmets and people noticed she had a lotus helmet she can put on any frame 😂
I want that HELMET!!!
*”MOMMA’S COMIN’ IN!”*
-Rebecca, on a devstream after putting lotus’s head on rhino
I'll be commenting mostly on the chat, but leaving a comment here for the algorithm, I'm so glad you do these around this time :)
Hey, Thank you!!! I appreciate that. I hope you enjoy the video, I tried out a little of my voice acting skills in this one, lol
love the audiowork and voice acting in this one. great job!
Thank you!!! I plan on doing more in the future!
I've always assumed the majority of the Leverian stories are the first round of Warframe supersoldiers. The "insanity" they all eventually exhibit is using their power against the Orokin. The "Prime" varieties being the cultured second round, mass produced for Tenno transference, including Orokin void technology and controlling safeguards in all of that gold.
Further, the end great slaughter could have been the interruption of transference. All of the frame's latent rebelliousness come out all at once.
The insanity the frames had was their free will. Orokin did not like having people they could not control and more than not, the frames did what was needed more than follow orders blindly
Imagine being turned into a weapon but having the knowledge of what is right or wrong. Then having some blue skinned long arm tell you to go slaughter a band of upstarts doing a rebellion. You decide to not follow those orders and instead help the rebellion.
The Orokin would see you as unruly or savage for disobeying.
History is told from the ones in control. Look at Florida and how they are changing history to make themselves seem better in the past.
For the Acolytes that follow the stalker, it's heavily implied that Stalker damaged the device in the base of the helmet that's function is to suppress the original mind of the body within the warframe suit. And allowing it to be cut off from tenno control. But having gone through transference, not having the pain and madness that would make more feral behaviors. For Orokin Era humans, that willingly gave up their bodies to be used for the war effort. To find out their very bodies were used to destroy the very home they sacrificed to save, would lead many to seek vengeance. It has been stated before, that the infrequent errors of orokin text sprawling across loading screens is the device meant to keep the bodies original mind suppressed, is rebooting, before a risk of full failure of the device.
Neither Stalker nor his Acolytes possessed a transference bolt. They are Low Guardians. Their position alone was a testament of their loyalty to their golden master despite how they were treated like cannon fodder.
Isn't the entiriety of Duviri a manifestation of the dreams of the kids aboard the Zariman? It is a dream reality - but it's real and exists in the void. Similar to how in the cthulhu mythos all of reality is just a dream dreamt up by a great old one - but in this case it's the void turning the thoughts of zariman survivors into reality.
Would make sense. The crystal defense node says emotions can warp reality with void energy, and just two people were able to rip open a void wormhole and shred buildings and ships. Get a whole crew, trapped for far longer IN the void rather than adjacent to some of its energy and you can build something wild.
1:06 "by your hand expose their heart, by my edge cleave it beating from it's nest" is such a raw line
Every veteran player laughed when Stalker said "I am your reckoning" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sometimes, I barely notice his presence.
Loved this vid, it’s always amazing to find people as passionate about this game’s lore as I am!!!
I just caught the end of the premier so I'm rewatching but this looks amazing I'm keen to understand more about stalkers history
I hope you enjoy it! There's even some speculation in there for ya!
I think the stalker is a
manifestation of how the tenno felt about the death of the lotus back in the golden era look at his weapons despair dread hate war a shadow if you will
Awesome job as always, man ! Keep doing the god's work! :D
Soooo....
There is this concept about Stalker for some time now...
and it goes like...
"Lua wasn’t the only nest
Stalker found it and sees Dread
From each he opens the more he hates
Trapped in a haunting, endless despair"
anyway...
amazing work as always...
Swazdo-lah Surah
stay safe
Yeah, I mean... couldn't that imply that his hate stems from not being able to find his own? I mean... we were led to lua, but without it, we would have never found our tenno, and thus would never really know a tenno even existed, the player character specifically. I could see his despair also coming from the fact that after the second dream... he now most likely realizes the very thing he hates is... what he most likely is.
@@TheDsIEGE
isn't it beautiful?
I mean, tenno aren't the only ones that can use transference, it isn't impossible that he's just a warframe controlled by who used to be stalker
this lore video is SO WELL DONE thank you
Im really happy to see warframe content agein on this channel 🎉
I'm glad!!!! Plenty more on the way too!!
Great job with this video as usual!
Thank you!!! I'm glad you enjoyed!!!
for me the acolytes are a slip form of the stalkers emotions
Oh yeah, his own conceptual embodiment!!!
yep just fragments +i hope we get to help him@@TheDsIEGE
Great commentary and reasoning.
What if after the orokin massacre, the stalker realized he needed more power to avenge his fallen masters, and knew of the power the infection had so he made himself into a warframe. This drove him mad, but im his rampage he stumbled across a tenno who perhaps disnt have a frame, and took control of him but didn't realize he was in the frame and could only feel the stalkers rage against the tenno. He pursues this until he realizes that he is a tenno, is persuaded by hunhow to go back in and fight, but fails due to an issue with his transference. After this he wakes up properly, and begins his journey as a tenni collecting frames, but never quite forgets his hatred of the tenno. Also i would almost argue that when the frames act but the tenno arent in transference, they are acting on their own free will to save the person who saves them from their own madness.
This information may help me out. I can't wait for next year.
The Stalker theme was a throwback to Update 7. Love your videos
Thank you, I appreciate that!!!
That was super fun! thanks!
I love it every time I get to play as the stalker, he's a little OP.
Awesome video. I love these lore videos, I can't wait to see what goes on with Arthur! What if Arthur IS the stalker?? 😁
Dude! That Racer X skin is insane! That looks so cool.
"By your hand, expose their heart. By my edge, cleave it beating from its nest."
Line goes hard
Not sure if I'm wrong here, but when first doing the second dream quest, I had exactly the same thought as our tenno seems to have, that "we" weren't operators, we were the frames themselves, that we had no other body, just could somehow switch from a frame to another, so in a way would explain the reactions of most frames described here as the tenno controlling them believing that was their real body, their real appearance, their real strength, and not a "frame" that's being controlled by them remotely 🤔
Interesting video as always.
in my opinion, some kind of quest where the stalker begins to hunt you down (or sending cryptic inbox messages along with like standing in the distance watching or stalking in some missions) after defeating your first boss would be a cool way to get more people interested in the early game story, since from what i remember its just he emails you and comes in without explanation
I think the prime Warframes and the corrupted have a part to play in the story.
People might not see the similarity.
But the Corrupted, do have a similar look to the prime Warframes.
And we have that little bit of information that came with that primed syandana,
That stated it was gifted to Warframes that had proven their loyalty to the Orokin.
What if the stalker was a tenno that was about to go through the same ritual the beast of Bones was offered.
it would still fit with the story that, Stalkers operator was a low ranking guardian.
It would also give the stalker the reasons to hate the Tenno and Warframes.
By killing his masters you robbed him of his ultimate reward. Becoming a god either by becoming like an Orokin or turning his Warframe into a Primed Warframe.
it would also give us a good reason why you don't see any Prime Warframe spectators running around. The baseline warframes killed off the loyalest prime warframes
I won't deny your insight, i will mention that Rhino prime is the first frame to be calmed by the tenno.
What i understood is:
The first frames are Excal, Chroma, Rhino and Mirage PRIME. Their regular versions came later on as the Orokin after what they witness what calmed Rhino Prime, they decided they needed to mass produce "cheap" versions of these iron monsters who would ravage anyone at first glance and let the tenno do their stuff. Those "cheap" versions of the warframes got their primed versions and they managed to win the war.
Me coming back to this video after the latest update
Well we know that Rell and the Silver Grove were examples of irreversibel transferance. Maybe this also happened with the Stalker and spending all that time transferred in a reanimated corpse caused the original Tenno that controlled him to forget who he was.
Remember how stalker took the heads of the warframes? And the group of the acolytes are the bodies of the warframes, who lost their heads + a new stalker head.
I like to think that our warframe was animated by the helmenth in the next room to break the war blade, because as much as it doesn't like us we ultimately share a symbiotic relationship.
How do you explain that duviri cinematic then?
@@ChozenBardoUmbra Which one?
@@tellmeninetails5819 The one where the Warframe wakes up and tackles the Thrax soldier, when Teshin "betrays us"
I barely remember that, but it could have been the tenno protecting the drifter?
@@tellmeninetails5819 We probably will know more about Warframes in 1999, or in whispers, it feels like they will expand on them and their autonomy
I've been waiting this explanation sinced 2018
This is a detail that a lot of people don't understand about the story and lore of the game: most of the warframes referenced in the story are tenno-controlled. This applies to every leverian entry. From the very beginning, when they first started making quests, DE has always named the tenno after the warframes they use. The evidence for this is in the Cetus comic that they released years ago; Lotus specifically calls the two tenno involved Excalibur and Mag. She even mentions that she pulled transference from excalibur.
Now keep in mind that I said MOST of the warframes reference in lore. Obvious exceptions would be chroma, titania, umbra, kullervo, and maybe protea.
Now, in regards to Stalker, I don't think he's Arthur. I just believe that he's simply using a standard excalibur warframe that has been heavily modified to be worn by regular humans...in 1999...
Anyway, my theory is this: the Stalker is either the warframe or a Tenno who has been traumatized by the warframe's mind. Ballas said that the Orokin took their finest warriors as candidates for the warframing process, "volunteers or not." The original Gara as described in the Gara Prime trailer was one such volunteer (assuming the details described in prime trailers can be counted as official lore). The pre-stalker warframe was likely a volunteer as well. It's pretty clear that the Stalker, who doesn't identify with the tenno, is loyal to the Orokin. So when the massacre took place, the Orokin-loyal warframe was conscious and saw himself, under transference, killing his masters.
Now following this, the trauma he experienced was so potent that it corrupted the mind of his operator the way Umbra's trauma almost corrupted our tenno. But having a tenno inside you essentially means that there are two traumatized minds swimming chaotically in one warframe. Their collective mental state deteriorated into what we see now, the Stalker.
A tenno mind swims within the body of a warframe, giving it command, direction. When our tenno weirded umbra, two minds swam together in unity. But the Stalker? The Stalker is an amalgamation, two minds, one identity. The warframe is the Stalker. The tenno is the Stalker. It is a tortured thing. The only past it remembers was from the day of the Naga drums.
Following this, the Stalker might have access to the tenno arsenal, which would actually explain alot. One could imagine the Stalker forging his own unique weapons to wash himself of the weapons he used to murder the orokin. These weapons are symbols of his trauma, and he uses them to hunt down the tenno and feed them to his helminth, making him more deadly in his hunt. His Cephalon wouldn't know better; they see the Stalker as the Operator after all... and his acolytes, tenno-warframe amalgamations just like him, would learn from him and follow in his footsteps, donning his face in the process.
But that's just a theory
A Stalker theory...
there is alot more lore in warframe already than i remembered O_O
I still find it funny that Balas is surprised by the tenno having compassion towards the frames an emotion he clearly never felt
You know... I need to do a vid on Ballas. I think a great many will find his motivations are much more deep and meaningful than most understand.
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love your videos and nice touch with the Xbox Excal skin
Thank you! I love that skin.
I actually woke up at 3am to see this. And I am glad I did
Hey, if it was worth it for you, it was certainly worth it for me!
I’ve played around with the idea that stalker was a tenno at the ceremony who just before entering, he saw the Tenno betray the orokin and his loyalty was so strong to them he couldn’t bring himself to join or defend them against the others out of fear of being killed.
Okay here is the number one thing you will have to remember about the stalker VS anything else we have faced so far, When we beat him or any of the other acolytes they don't die. They instead retreat. Which perhaps would indicate that there is only one life to live within.
I really hope they expand much further upon more of these type of frames, Because Honestly it was possibly the most excited I ever was about the lore in Warframe.
Eternalism has a flaw I find. It should only be possible around a specific fracture of time and space. But that doesnt mean every reality should be influencing the other.
Well, it's basically saying "in another dimension "X" did happen, so techically, it's feasible but... well troublesome storytelling wise would be putting it mildly. That being said, they are keeping it interesting without relying on it too much.
@TheDsIEGE so let's pose a question. If my tenno dies in this reality, is a version of them brought to the First Reality or do we play the new reality?
If the first, the tenno vanishes from the other reality. If the 2nd, the first goes on and assumes the death and so the reality continues. However, this 2nd has a flaw. Our conscience persists. Why?
So how do we reconcile the 2 minds if we play another reality? If the first option is true, then the 2nd reality should have a conscious difference since that one got yanked.
The only solution I see is that Eternalism as posed by Orokin is incorrect. There are no other realities. What there is instead, is a mirror image. I go left, I went right and died. But only right holds true in the Prime verse. But if my soul twisted by the voids capable of being like a prism, and can assume any of many potential paths, then I can adopt a mirror of myself to avoid death. I don't think the mirror self lasts very long honestly. It only lasts so long as it may in a moment. I took a bullet. I didn't take a bullet. But only one goes onwards. The reason I stipulate this is because the Tenno is shown to be able to transcend death by taking a mirror copy as it's form. The Man in the wall is nearly the same. We know from Albrecht that he only saw one of himself, not 50. And from the new trailer, this mirror self is unaged, unlike Albrecht who we know passed away. The Drifter mirrors this. A aging personage, while our Tenno is not. I strongly feel our tenno is a true Void Demon. Not a human. A reflection of the Drifter at the time of the deal, but also unaging in their entirety. They lived a life, all of their own, but from a common point. The deal I think was to imbue a Shadow of the Drifter with the Drifter's thoughts and mind, together with powers. But only one ever escaped. The real Drifter became trapped.
I've always wanted physical Tenno NPCs
Then we can have epic Tenno pve and pvp
I think all Warframes have the capacity for sentience and don't necessarily need to be controlled but are in their own version of the dream where their consciousness normally remains and in exchange, they are controllable by the Tenno. Then, when they act on their own, it's because they sense the Tenno is in danger and temporarily regain consciousness to provide help, with an increased effect if in range of their Tenno. I think they can be seen to be almost in a positive sleep paralysis state that gets interrupted at times of crisis.
I think we can play the stalker in duviri because he is connected to the void via transference. I do not think he is an active ally, just happens to be a warframe and can be used by the drifter, who is a distinct entity from the tenno, despite the common origin.
Also, why did he stop being the shadow stalker and get rid of his sentient additions for the quest? Can I get those back for duviri please?
1:06 He says he is a destroyer of worlds but I see the origin system very complete
Yknow what would be amazing, is if we meet the controller of Stalker, like an actual npc tenno would be awesome.
It took me THIS long to realize the Sentient around Stalker at the start seem to have eyes.... wait does that mean that the "headshots" when hitting their core were actual headshots because I was aiming a bit higher than I thought?
Don't forget DE said next year is the year of the Stalker ;)
My personal theory is that early on in its development of the sacrifice Umbra excal was originally going to be stalker but they changed it after the immense popularity of Umbra Excal. I think I even remember in a dev stream at one point mentioning they reworked the story to fit Umbra in because it was so requested at the time
Im confused was umbra a thing before his first trailer?
@@imrunningoutofnames2413 he was basically the excal prime of the Chinese build, but people kept asking for him to be released on the main build.
@@Fancysaurus ohhh alright thank you
My best guess is that a Tenno woke up inside Stalke, who is similar in nature to Umbra, and was confused by his memories into thinking that he was that low guardian. After all, our own Tenno believed themselves to be the warframes they woke up as, as stated in the Second dream dialogue with Lotus after she places us into the tansference chair, until the moment they woke up.
Furing the Old War each Tnno had a single frame that belonged to the. When we choose a frame at the start, the intro stay the same because that's the one frame se had. But what if that frame was damaged or destroyed in stasis? I believe in that case the Tenno would be rerouted to the closest unassigned frame of the same type. And Stalker just so happens to resemble Excalibur.
As for Stalker's abilities, my guess is that whatever strain of Helminth was used to transform him was impure, contaminated or mixed up. That would explain the unique shape of the head too.
22:43 voruna losing her loved wolves is saddening and will make you cry
Back in the early 2017 ish we had to assume that hunhow was was more like a final boss slash nemesis rival I used to await his warframe but realized we probably won’t get him
Wow really going all in
One thing is that the man in the wall is truely the first alien that we have seen in game. the sentients come from tau, thats true.
but they were sent there by the orokin and somewhat evolved over time. However the man in the wall is the first true alien and i think will lead us to discover that basically hes an alien from an alternate dimension
Now here's another question?
Will the Stalker become our Ally and will we get to play as him in a story about his deep origin?
Oh and btw duviri IS in between reality and dreams, it is not the stalker but the “idea” of it
Given his own pov of being a type of dax or common guardian I like to think some of the surviving Orokin turned him and other willing soldiers into the models of warframe that are people, not grown as empty shells, and their sheer rage/want for vengeance let them retain some sanity. Alternatively possible someone else took Ballas' research and was able to alter the initial strain that made those transformed types into a more stable form. Makes sense given it being a type of cobbled together frame, same with his acolytes.
I think stalker is just looking to the tenno to make him heal. That's why he can't kill a tenno but has no issue taking Warframe heads like Loki. He want to destroy their Warframe so they'd transfer to him. Healing him. Kinda like a jealous girl who want you to break up with your gf only with murder lol
Can't wait for wispers in the wall
Wait a second, they said with certainty that there was gonna be Stalker content shown off at TennoCon, but we got nothing- absolutely nothing... but if what you suggested about Arthur has any merit... one of the Acolytes is a Mag, right?
It would actually be pretty cool for Stalker to wind up being Hayden Tenno/Arthur.
You should add an addendum vid to this talking about the lines the Acolytes say to you during missions. IMO, they imply the Acolytes are "testing us," somehow. "Restoring our way." Kinda fits with your argument.
My pet theory is that the stalker is a tenno who was particularly "honorable," but not particularly "of note." Like, historically speaking. They werent included to be "in-the-know" about the plan to betray the Orokin. The reason then that the Stalker and Acolytes tell us that the Lotus has lead us astray, is because the last thing his mind/soul is holding onto is the anger from the betrayal to his honor. To our honor, if you will. The Stalker's Acoltyes then, as a faction, can be seen as similarly aligned, specifically in practice, with the Arbiters of Hexis. They care about the "honorable ways of the tenno."
The funny thing about this though, is that, its almost a type of "Cognito Hazard 😅" like, the whole reason the Orokin instilled these ideals in the Tenno was to create a manipulatable class of people less likey to rebel againdt them.
I think sometimes we forget the perspective of time in warframe. The events normally make things out to be over the course of hundreds and I think in some cases thousands of years. Thats a lotta time. A lot can happen in that time.
I personally believe that not every Tenno was initially Awoken from the first dream. The Laverian for Voruna, to me, could indicates that after Magrulis was gone, the Tenno became a full on asset of the Executors. Each one being like its own faction much like we have factions orday.
Anyways, thats my headcanon rant.😅
God i remember the early years of warframe... i remember the first time the stalker showed up in a survival game i was playing with friends, we were kids and thought it was some kind of Herobrine situation
What if Stalker is Ordis original body?
Since DE has a "Stalker Update" planned next year (Megan said it during tennocon) I hope that Stalker gets his upgrades back.
The New War/Duviri is Stalker without the Second Dream upgrades (probably due to War being broken).
I hope they explain what he's been up to in between. Maybe we also see his origins, along with maybe witnessing The Collapse from his perspective.
Not only that: But his warfeame accessible outside Duviri, completely updated and reworked.
Based on the scene where your Warframe gets stabbed, I believed that the Stalker was 'your' Warframe.
At the end of the war, Lotus severed the connection between 'your' Tenno and the Stalker Frame.
(Ordis doesn't remember the old war.)
The Stalker felt abandoned and was used by Hunhow to take his revenge on the Tenno.
Some things that made me believe this besides your Tenno having control over Stalker in the final fight?
> Stalker is useable in Duviri.
> Hunhow is the Lotus' father and Hunhow would have been related to Lotus/Ballas.
> Excalibur Umbra shows you that some Frames have living flesh underneath.
> The orbiter was built the same way as the Frames. Ordis hates it, but he and the Helminth are one and the same. The Helminth is what helps create the "fake" frames. (Aka you use Frame reproductions, not the originals like the Harrow and Protea missions show.)
Or so I believe.
I'm still sticking with my theory that after the tenno assaulted the orokin bringing the ending days upon the empire the low ranked soldier who would become stalker was chosen to partake in transference with the scrounged parts of frames fused together into the stalker frame but like the silver grove his mind became trapped inside the frame
From what Stalkers powers are at the beginning, his frame was probably a teaching frame to help get the frames used to using their powers in a safe manner.
Look at his ability to cancel powers out. That is something that would come in handy if frames went out of control inside the Orokin areas that did not want to be destroyed. His weapons are made for taking down frames more than taking on Sentients.
Hek, when you fight the Acolytes, they are speaking to the frame and not the Tenno. They do not want to fight the frames but since the Tenno are in the pilot seats, they get taken out.
Stalkers crew isn't here to fight but to keep trying to get through to the frames to wake up and become what they should be- free
Kuva might just be the most disturbing thing in all of Warframe if this is correct.
It can revive you, and can mix you with everything tbh, even can make you posess another body, so yeah, it is pretty disturbing.
Hopefully their sentient it would make a could dynamic between
Warframe and tenno
I was always of the theory that Stalker let’s you control him in Duviri because the Drifter didn’t participate in the betrayal of the Orokin themselves.
cool!
What's the warframe used in this video genuinely looks like one of the best fashion frames I've seen
Umbra using the xbox skin, and thank you!
Can you get the xbox skin or is it not obtainable anymore