It's important to note the distinction between flying OVER a National Park, Wilderness Area, etc. and operating a drone while you are physically standing on land in a National Park, Wilderness Area, etc. They can say "You can't operate a drone while standing on this property" but they can't keep you from flying over it (only the FAA can do that). So, if you wanted to, you could stand just outside the boundary of a National Park, take off and fly over the National Park (responsibly) and be legal. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I've read elsewhere that folks are going to the edge of National Parks and flying in, so I think you're not wrong. I've seen a few other drone operators suggest it as well. Personally I won't be doing that any time soon. My business is starting to grow, and I want to be as cautious as I can be when it comes to the FAA.
Hi Rich, I live in Williamson Valley, AZ but have a Prescott address. Been flying my MP for over 3 years now as a hobbyist. You mentioned Granite Mtn Wilderness area - I live about 2 miles from there but do not fly in the restricted zone. You also mentioned that Lynx Lake is a "wilderness area" & you suggested it is a 'restricted' area. I disagree! Lynx Lake becomes a TFR when the eagles are laying eggs & rearing young. I found this out from the lake's park hosts & it is posted in the local papers. I have flown at Lynx Lake a number of times with the full blessing of the host. BTW, I appreciated your discussion on the Sedona area & their use of unenforceable "No Drone" signs. I have been there numerous times & have always been disappointed by the signs. Now that LAANC is available, I must check out the area again to take advantage of the magnificent sights... Thankx! ~
Good to hear from you neighbor! I avoid the restricted area over at Granite Mountain as well due to the wilderness area. I haven't flown Lynx as it shows on the sectional charts and Skyvector that it's a wilderness area. That's interesting that it becomes a TFR for some of the year but not all of it. I'll have to go do a little reading on that. Glad the host at Lynx was helpful and accommodating! How are you enjoying our "freeze" today? We're watching and waiting for snow.
Nice vid Rich. Haven't many replies recently from you but going to ask anyway, btw I live 40 minutes North of Sedona, what's with the 249gram mini drones? Do these fall under the same requirements as their bigger brothers & sisters? I really want to use this little DJI Micro to capture some MTB footage.
Good afternoon. I haven't actually seen comments from you so they might not be making it to the comment bin for some reason on UA-cam. I've missed several message from folks as they were put in hold for approval or potential spam even though they weren't. Sorry about that. The new mini drone does not require registration with the FAA (saving us $5). So you can skip paying to register the small drones. But you still have to fly within the FAA rules. And if you're using them with commercial work you'll still need your part 107. So in the end, the big part is not having to register the drone with the FAA if you're flying for fun. Sorry again about missed comments. I'm heading over to my UA-cam Studio to see if I have pending comments. Thanks for the heads up.
@@AZ-Drone Thanks for the reply, I was referring to some of the other comments. All good tho. I had heard something about the 249g falling under the lic requirements, but wasn't aware about the part 107 requirement. I only fly for family bike rides and cool photos of us camping, paddleboarding, biking etc. Appreciate the insight, maybe this is something I grow into and who knows I may end up with a larger drone someday. Thank you for vid on Sodona because I've seen vids of others using them there but have always not done it due to the signs.
My understanding is that wilderness areas are like national parks in that no one can stop you from flying over them, but we're not allowed to land, take off, or operate a drone from within the area?
I recently heard that UAsidekick is a good app. Aside from the political stuff my impression of air map is that it's not strictly representing the sectional charts but has a lot of suggestions which I don't really, personally enjoy. I could be wrong about that though because I haven't used it a lot. I became turned off to it pretty quick... One thing you didn't mention in the video is drones being banned from the air versus people standing on the ground controlling drones being banned. Those signs might indicate that you're not allowed to take off and land which is different than an air space thing. I wanted to post a picture but then I realized this isn't Facebook so I can't do that however I'll explain what's been explained to me. A sign that doesn't have an ordinance on it is basically worthless legally. Apparently a city or other government agency can't just put up a sign to ban something or otherwise regulate it unless there is ordinance backing it up and that ordinance should be on the sign
So how do the tour helicopters get around flying in wilderness areas? They truly ruin the wilderness experience and some fly quite low, definitely inside the 400 foot window. Also, B4UFLY doesn't have wilderness areas either, which I guess isn't surprising since Kittyhawk made it for them. I"m going to use Skyvector for an overview then switch over to Airmap to fine-tune it as it allows you to zoom in much closer with a satellite imagery overlay.
Your comment reminded me of a hike I did in Sedona where a very low bi-plane buzzed over where I was hiking very very low! I believe those tour copters must get waivers for their flights. Thinking about all of the apps, I’m sure each will improve with time. In the meantime we have a little extra checking to do before flying in unfamiliar locations. 😀
It's important to note the distinction between flying OVER a National Park, Wilderness Area, etc. and operating a drone while you are physically standing on land in a National Park, Wilderness Area, etc. They can say "You can't operate a drone while standing on this property" but they can't keep you from flying over it (only the FAA can do that). So, if you wanted to, you could stand just outside the boundary of a National Park, take off and fly over the National Park (responsibly) and be legal. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I've read elsewhere that folks are going to the edge of National Parks and flying in, so I think you're not wrong. I've seen a few other drone operators suggest it as well. Personally I won't be doing that any time soon. My business is starting to grow, and I want to be as cautious as I can be when it comes to the FAA.
Hi Rich, I live in Williamson Valley, AZ but have a Prescott address. Been flying my MP for over 3 years now as a hobbyist. You mentioned Granite Mtn Wilderness area - I live about 2 miles from there but do not fly in the restricted zone.
You also mentioned that Lynx Lake is a "wilderness area" & you suggested it is a 'restricted' area. I disagree! Lynx Lake becomes a TFR when the eagles are laying eggs & rearing young. I found this out from the lake's park hosts & it is posted in the local papers. I have flown at Lynx Lake a number of times with the full blessing of the host.
BTW, I appreciated your discussion on the Sedona area & their use of unenforceable "No Drone" signs. I have been there numerous times & have always been disappointed by the signs. Now that LAANC is available, I must check out the area again to take advantage of the magnificent sights... Thankx!
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Good to hear from you neighbor! I avoid the restricted area over at Granite Mountain as well due to the wilderness area. I haven't flown Lynx as it shows on the sectional charts and Skyvector that it's a wilderness area. That's interesting that it becomes a TFR for some of the year but not all of it. I'll have to go do a little reading on that. Glad the host at Lynx was helpful and accommodating!
How are you enjoying our "freeze" today? We're watching and waiting for snow.
Nice vid Rich. Haven't many replies recently from you but going to ask anyway, btw I live 40 minutes North of Sedona, what's with the 249gram mini drones? Do these fall under the same requirements as their bigger brothers & sisters? I really want to use this little DJI Micro to capture some MTB footage.
Good afternoon. I haven't actually seen comments from you so they might not be making it to the comment bin for some reason on UA-cam. I've missed several message from folks as they were put in hold for approval or potential spam even though they weren't. Sorry about that.
The new mini drone does not require registration with the FAA (saving us $5). So you can skip paying to register the small drones. But you still have to fly within the FAA rules. And if you're using them with commercial work you'll still need your part 107. So in the end, the big part is not having to register the drone with the FAA if you're flying for fun.
Sorry again about missed comments. I'm heading over to my UA-cam Studio to see if I have pending comments. Thanks for the heads up.
@@AZ-Drone
Thanks for the reply, I was referring to some of the other comments. All good tho. I had heard something about the 249g falling under the lic requirements, but wasn't aware about the part 107 requirement. I only fly for family bike rides and cool photos of us camping, paddleboarding, biking etc. Appreciate the insight, maybe this is something I grow into and who knows I may end up with a larger drone someday. Thank you for vid on Sodona because I've seen vids of others using them there but have always not done it due to the signs.
Great information, thank you for sharing.
Anything new in 2023 or 2024
I haven't looking into the Sedona area in a while. I'll do some research to see if anything has changted.
My understanding is that wilderness areas are like national parks in that no one can stop you from flying over them, but we're not allowed to land, take off, or operate a drone from within the area?
I recently heard that UAsidekick is a good app.
Aside from the political stuff my impression of air map is that it's not strictly representing the sectional charts but has a lot of suggestions which I don't really, personally enjoy. I could be wrong about that though because I haven't used it a lot. I became turned off to it pretty quick...
One thing you didn't mention in the video is drones being banned from the air versus people standing on the ground controlling drones being banned. Those signs might indicate that you're not allowed to take off and land which is different than an air space thing.
I wanted to post a picture but then I realized this isn't Facebook so I can't do that however I'll explain what's been explained to me. A sign that doesn't have an ordinance on it is basically worthless legally. Apparently a city or other government agency can't just put up a sign to ban something or otherwise regulate it unless there is ordinance backing it up and that ordinance should be on the sign
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So how do the tour helicopters get around flying in wilderness areas? They truly ruin the wilderness experience and some fly quite low, definitely inside the 400 foot window. Also, B4UFLY doesn't have wilderness areas either, which I guess isn't surprising since Kittyhawk made it for them. I"m going to use Skyvector for an overview then switch over to Airmap to fine-tune it as it allows you to zoom in much closer with a satellite imagery overlay.
Your comment reminded me of a hike I did in Sedona where a very low bi-plane buzzed over where I was hiking very very low! I believe those tour copters must get waivers for their flights.
Thinking about all of the apps, I’m sure each will improve with time. In the meantime we have a little extra checking to do before flying in unfamiliar locations. 😀