Smash Ultimate Leaks, Theories, and Speculation AFTER Joker - PapaGenos

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  • Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
  • Speculation has changed for Super Smash Bros Ultimate now that we have our first Fighter Pass character Joker! Digging into Leaks, Datamines, and Theories using the new information we have with Smash Ultimate Version 3.0 and Challenger Pack 1!!!
    Joker using similar movements of other characters video:
    Sy...
    Jane alt costume not background characters Datamine:
    / 1119380634558799872
    Doyle codename for Arsene Datamine:
    / 1118875637731586048
    New Labo Spirits Datamine:
    boards.4channel...
    Tax day Tom Nook Tweet:
    www.nintendolif...
    My Stuff:
    Discord: / discord
    Twitter: / genospapa
    Patreon: / papagenos
    Intro animation by: / princebuffoon
    Outro art by: www.deviantart...

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  • @eaglelord145
    @eaglelord145 5 років тому +169

    “Let’s talk about Leaks! And datamines! And speculation! And all that fun stuff we like to talk about...”
    - Should be in the bio of the channel

  • @notSpiritsend
    @notSpiritsend 5 років тому +125

    Grunty off in the distance:
    “The bear and bird I could not thrash. Now it looks like they are in Smash”

    • @superrluigi64
      @superrluigi64 5 років тому +2

      Nic Wilson this is too perfect. And now I want Grunty rhymes for each character as an Easter egg lol

    • @notSpiritsend
      @notSpiritsend 5 років тому +3

      superrluigi64 I might try to do one for recommendation if you have any specific ones you would want to hear. Maybe if the stage was like the Mario Sunshine stage, where you can travel from world to world, Grunty’s Rhymes could be like Snake Codec and Palutena’s Guidance. I want this.

    • @superrluigi64
      @superrluigi64 5 років тому

      Nic Wilson Couldn’t ask you to do more 😅, but won’t say no to a Luigi rhyme. Yeah exactly like the Codec and Guidance, but during a normal battle in a Banjo Stage for the characters in the fight is an interesting idea.

    • @notSpiritsend
      @notSpiritsend 5 років тому +3

      superrluigi64 hmmmmm... “this man in green is never in the spotlight, but you can bet he will put up a good fight!”

    • @superrluigi64
      @superrluigi64 5 років тому

      Nic Wilson haha! Good one, thanks.

  • @VikTimmy
    @VikTimmy 5 років тому +192

    If e3 does reveal 2 characters... one of them would then need an immediate shadow drop to stay on pace to release all five dlc characters by the promised date of February 2020

    • @explorerboy101
      @explorerboy101 5 років тому +21

      I feel because Nintendo and Microsoft are the only ones at e3 this time we will get both Banjo Kazooie and Steve. I feel Banjo will come first because their fans were waiting longer. They can have the same reveal trailer and Banjo will represent when Nintendo owned Rare while Steve will represent modern day gaming.

    • @lordofninjas1
      @lordofninjas1 5 років тому +9

      @@explorerboy101 according to IGN, Bethesda, Ubisoft, and Square are also going to be at E3. So it's possible other characters could be announced as well. With that said, while I am a fan of Minecraft I don't think Steve is going to be in Smash, that's not to say they aren't important enough or anything like that, I just have a feeling like other characters could be a better fit for Smash, among other things. Banjo on the other hand I feel would be a great choice for Smash.

    • @explorerboy101
      @explorerboy101 5 років тому

      @@lordofninjas1 I thought it was just Nintendo and Microsoft but I have a really strong feeling about both

    • @lordofninjas1
      @lordofninjas1 5 років тому +4

      @@explorerboy101 Nintendo and Microsoft are the only big name companies there, but the other companies are still going to be there as well.
      m.ign.com/wikis/e3/E3_2019_Schedule:_Live_Streams_and_Press_Conferences#
      I have a feeling Steve won't be in the game, at least as playable. If they announced tomorrow that he is in the game it wouldn't bother me, I just feel like there are bigger name characters that they are probably going to choose who would get a bigger draw than Steve, because despite Steve's popularity most people don't seem to like him all that much. That's kinda what they did with the Smash 4 DLC, made them all characters that people really wanted/characters that had few to no detractors about them being in Smash, and while there is a lot of people that want Steve in, it seems to mostly be a vocal minority as most people seem to dislike Steve or Minecraft as a whole, whereas characters like Banjo or Geno are extremely well loved characters and almost no one has said that they wouldn't want the character in the Smash. Hopefully that makes some sense.

    • @scarffoxandfriends9401
      @scarffoxandfriends9401 5 років тому +1

      Last time they did DLC they shadow dropped 3 characters at E3 =b so them shadow dropping one makes is possible likely

  • @BHultra
    @BHultra 5 років тому +55

    Brawl: Wow they added a character that strangles people
    WiiU: Wow they added a sexy character
    Ultimate: G U N

    • @mythosinfinite6736
      @mythosinfinite6736 5 років тому +1

      They added a sexy character way back in Brawl. Or have you forgotten about Dedede already?

  • @DisasterEnby
    @DisasterEnby 5 років тому +172

    Last time I was this early Ridley wasn't playable

    • @PapaGenos
      @PapaGenos  5 років тому +13

      hahaha nice, been a while lol

  • @MasutaMJ
    @MasutaMJ 5 років тому +75

    Jill Valentine or Leon Kennedy if Resident Evil were to be represented.

    • @krisscp9605
      @krisscp9605 5 років тому +7

      Okay theyre cool but what about BARRY BURTON

    • @ihatestairs9034
      @ihatestairs9034 5 років тому +4

      What I think they’ll do is either Leon with an alt as Claire or they will do Chris with an alt as Jill.

    • @dreamerabe
      @dreamerabe 5 років тому +9

      It should be Leon, because RE2 was a big game on N64, and RE4 was a big thing on GCN.

    • @basanova22
      @basanova22 5 років тому +10

      I would laugh if Smash gets Leon as a character before any of the Capcom Vs games

    • @MyBenjamin73
      @MyBenjamin73 5 років тому +2

      Jill with a unique Nemesis/ Claire with Mr. X, Boss would be mind blowing.

  • @GlossyCandle
    @GlossyCandle 5 років тому +52

    15:58 I think you got "Let's Go Pikachu!" mixed up with "Hey You Pikachu!" XD

    • @PapaGenos
      @PapaGenos  5 років тому +11

      i did hahaha didnt even catch that in editing lol XD

    • @7fortunekitty7
      @7fortunekitty7 5 років тому +2

      I would love a Hey You Eevee! though.

  • @clickbait3753
    @clickbait3753 5 років тому +38

    Some alt costumes packs I want to see:
    returning costumes, ones that characters lost for ultimate, like black yoshi or fire mario.
    N64 pack- a retro, polygonal look for the original 12 fighters
    Some redesigns, botw zelda, old twilight princess link, old twilight princess zelda, etc.

    • @bend.7590
      @bend.7590 5 років тому +2

      They’re sitting on a cash printing gold mine with this! Drop the mii fighter costumes and give us character costumes!! I’d pay BIG for those!

    • @clickbait3753
      @clickbait3753 5 років тому

      @@bend.7590 same. I would EASY pay 5 bucks for a skin pack.

    • @magicduckman5568
      @magicduckman5568 5 років тому

      I want my tp zelda back, i hate the new desing, it made me drop her and she was my main in 4. :c

    • @pearlgalaxy
      @pearlgalaxy 5 років тому

      Peachette, "Normal" Peach and Daisy, old design Peach and Daisy, and the sports outfits too, thank you.

    • @clickbait3753
      @clickbait3753 5 років тому +1

      @@magicduckman5568 how... ultimate zelda is the cleanest, cutest, and tier wise best shes ever been.

  • @Dayashii
    @Dayashii 5 років тому +48

    E3 is the perfect time to reveal a Microsoft rep

    • @bend.7590
      @bend.7590 5 років тому +1

      E3 is the perfect time to be an Xbox fan, they are going BIG this year. Definitely going to be a Microsoft reveal at E3 if one is coming. It’s the best time

    • @skyknight2233
      @skyknight2233 5 років тому +1

      for Microsoft i think the most likely ones are banjo or cuphead

    • @67kingdedede
      @67kingdedede 5 років тому

      or Minecraft Steve babyyy

    • @skyknight2233
      @skyknight2233 5 років тому

      Steve falls into same problem I’ve said about dlc characters they have to have no games on the switch like cloud and joker

    • @nak8490
      @nak8490 5 років тому

      @@skyknight2233 Minecraft is on Nintendo Switch.

  • @chrisp4643
    @chrisp4643 5 років тому +77

    I just want to beat people up as Banjo Kazooie on spiral mountain with their AMAZING music in the background

    • @PapaGenos
      @PapaGenos  5 років тому +13

      the music please

    • @retrogamermax8287
      @retrogamermax8287 5 років тому +8

      "GUH-HUH!"

    • @dkracingfan2503
      @dkracingfan2503 5 років тому +5

      Of course!

    • @Sirxeko
      @Sirxeko 5 років тому +3

      I feel like Gruntilda's Lair is the more likely stage pick. Spiral Mountain is definitely the more iconic, but the top of the tower of the first game is so much easier to do. Just do Yoshi's Island, but without moving platforms and with Grunty and/or Great Jinjinator stage hazards. Mumbo as a Mii Costume is a must though.

    • @dkracingfan2503
      @dkracingfan2503 5 років тому +2

      @@MrNintendoFan1 i see you everywhere on my youtube channel!

  • @obeserob5027
    @obeserob5027 5 років тому +7

    Papageno's: Erdrick is literally called brave. This helps his chances a lot
    Also Papageno's: They're really reaching for codenames to hide them
    Those are two very opposing statements

    • @_Cruiser_
      @_Cruiser_ 5 років тому +1

      Obese ROB same. A little too on the nose.

  • @nubbyboah
    @nubbyboah 5 років тому +11

    *Generic green witch stage*
    "Looks a lot like Gruntilda"
    This seems way to much like a stretch to me. By that logic the small bird stage should be confirmation of a Angry Birds character. Even so, that witch has a lot of things going against it being Gruntilda. Where's the purple scarf? Why is the eye red and not brown/hazel? Banjo fans are so quick to think that he's in when even the most remote reference is shown.

    • @austinkuntv5411
      @austinkuntv5411 5 років тому

      What other references have been shown that triggered Banjo Fans?

  • @BIastProcX
    @BIastProcX 5 років тому +26

    A mother trilogy (remake) would have been my biggest wish ever

    • @giakommo-o4993
      @giakommo-o4993 5 років тому +1

      Me too

    • @WideMouth
      @WideMouth 5 років тому

      The question is, what would they call Mother 3? They already have EarthBound Beginnings and EarthBound: The War Against Gaigus!, so would Mother 3 just be renamed to EarthBound 3?

    • @BIastProcX
      @BIastProcX 5 років тому

      @@WideMouth Earthbound Finalé?

    • @elreycerdo9824
      @elreycerdo9824 5 років тому

      @@WideMouth Very easy Earthbound: Fall of The Pig King

  • @nytmankuzuira871
    @nytmankuzuira871 5 років тому +122

    Banjo and kazooie is what I'm gonna bet my money at. Let's hope that the fighters are what we all want ey?

    • @chasemccrary955
      @chasemccrary955 5 років тому +12

      Nah I want Steve from minecraft alot more....

    • @Fenronin
      @Fenronin 5 років тому +13

      @@chasemccrary955 having banjo increase chances of having Steve tho and vice versa

    • @jothelegend1135
      @jothelegend1135 5 років тому +8

      @@chasemccrary955
      Sakurai might too if he can get him to work but,looking at
      Wii Fit Trainer,and Duck Hunt,I doubt it's impossible..

    • @dkracingfan2503
      @dkracingfan2503 5 років тому +13

      @@chasemccrary955 #NOSTEVEINSMASH #BANJO4MASH

    • @dkracingfan2503
      @dkracingfan2503 5 років тому +23

      @@chasemccrary955 I would be a little disappointed if Steve gets in

  • @franjaff6919
    @franjaff6919 5 років тому +9

    I just wanted to add that the Fatal Frame AT kind of felt like more evidence that RE could be in the game as DLC. To me it just proves that Sakurai is willing to represent horror in Smash.

    • @greco-romano9852
      @greco-romano9852 5 років тому

      Was thinking this too!

    • @luisreyes1963
      @luisreyes1963 5 років тому

      Fatal Frame? Wow, something even more obscure than Dragon Quest.

  • @pringledaprangle7480
    @pringledaprangle7480 5 років тому +89

    An over 30 minute Papago is video? W-what!??? God you spoil the smash community so hard.

    • @PapaGenos
      @PapaGenos  5 років тому +5

      haha thanks enjoy!

  • @FinalShadowZX
    @FinalShadowZX 5 років тому +16

    When I saw the "Temple of Zelda" Stage, I thought it was a Zelda II reference, it's vaguely similar when you start the game.

  • @YogiofEternalPeace
    @YogiofEternalPeace 5 років тому +42

    Still praying for Banjo.
    Will main/secondary without question.

    • @PapaGenos
      @PapaGenos  5 років тому +11

      same here

    • @wyatt8000
      @wyatt8000 5 років тому +1

      Definitely

    • @Juaneezy323
      @Juaneezy323 5 років тому

      @papagenos
      Yo!!!!!! Am I tripping or is that a jigsaw piece on the moon!!!!! By the witch. I wanted to see if I saw something similar to the pacman sign from greninjas trailer. Look at the moon by the witch. In the middle of the moon!!! Left to the witch nose!
      (Teddy=bear, bird stage= bird, witch stage= witch, jigsaw piece 🧩) BRUHHHH

  • @Creeperman4321
    @Creeperman4321 5 років тому +11

    I never realized how bad I wanted Leon to be in Smash

    • @PapaGenos
      @PapaGenos  5 років тому +1

      i just rarely thought of RE as a possibility...cause of the guns

  • @wherb6140
    @wherb6140 5 років тому +24

    Joker: *has a gun*
    Dante: The time has come, and so have I

    • @PastelWraith
      @PastelWraith 5 років тому

      I don't get it Bayonetta is in the game already

    • @PastelWraith
      @PastelWraith 5 років тому

      @Nanoz5 Their play style is practically identical what are you talking about?

    • @Nicholaskgaming
      @Nicholaskgaming 5 років тому

      @Nanoz5 aren't they made by the same dude though?

    • @wherb6140
      @wherb6140 5 років тому +1

      @@Nicholaskgaming Mario and Link were made by the same dude. They play so similarly :P
      But no, Dante could stand out fine on his own. In fact, if they give him all four of his stances and some of his devil arms, he could potentially be the most complex character in the game (though realistically, I think he'd just bring his sword Rebellion and his dual pistols, Ebony and Ivory). Only part that worries me is that one of Joker's moves is literally Rainstorm but I don't think that would ruin his chances.

    • @H4rdlex
      @H4rdlex 5 років тому +1

      @@wherb6140 Don't forget they could integrate devil trigger mechanic, and honestly I don't see why they would limit him to only rebellion, mostly considering what happened that said sword in DMCV

  • @u1ti
    @u1ti 5 років тому +4

    For those unfamiliar with Persona 5, Joker uses modified airsoft guns. So this may not necessarily open the doors for other characters as some might say.

    • @kalecgos1
      @kalecgos1 5 років тому +2

      I doubt the ESRB/Japanese rating system accepts that as a loophole.

    • @nixuniverse5240
      @nixuniverse5240 5 років тому

      The problem with that is Persona 5 is Rated M, so most kids wouldn’t have been able to play the game to know that it’s not a real gun. So kids and parents alike have all reason to believe that it’s a real gun, which it might as well be. I’m aware that kids these days play games above their age rating, but in that case it doesn’t really matter what they’re being exposed to if their parents allow them to see it anyway right ? Also, I could’ve sworn that the whole “The gun only works if the enemy imagines it to be real” only works on “Shadows”. Isn’t it a real Gun to everyone else ?

    • @u1ti
      @u1ti 5 років тому +1

      @@nixuniverse5240 I don't disagree with anything ur saying. But the fact remains that Jokers gun isn't a "real gun", therefore there are currently no characters in smash that wield guns that shoot actual bullets. I actually thought Bayonettas guns did, but apparently those are considered energy?

    • @nixuniverse5240
      @nixuniverse5240 5 років тому

      FalseAxiom No Bayonetta’s Bullets are real. The only thing magic about Bayonetta’s guns are that she doesn’t have to reload them (for gameplays sake because having to reload in a Hack n Slash would be annoying asf)

    • @u1ti
      @u1ti 5 років тому

      @@nixuniverse5240 So then, characters with guns have been totally possible since Bayonetta. Although she did kinda open the doors for a bunch of other kinds of characters ;)

  • @Bobbob11134
    @Bobbob11134 5 років тому +8

    If the fighter pass is all 3rd party and they make another fighters pass I hope they make them all 1st party

  • @pegeta
    @pegeta 5 років тому +17

    Someone from dragon quest before july 30th, mark my words.

    • @cheesewheel
      @cheesewheel 5 років тому +3

      I hope you're right my friend. DQ makes so much sense because it started and flourished on Nintendo, but most people out of Japan don't realize that since it isn't as popular.

    • @luisreyes1963
      @luisreyes1963 5 років тому

      Keep the faith...🙏

  • @HexterXD
    @HexterXD 5 років тому +99

    Lol as usual, I came because I saw Banjo Kazooie

  • @tena2013
    @tena2013 5 років тому +72

    I'd love to see Lloyd as a character and not a mii outfit

    • @PapaGenos
      @PapaGenos  5 років тому +14

      same here, i love tales of symphonia, i really feel a namco rep is likely

    • @Kiefster
      @Kiefster 5 років тому +3

      I'd like a Yuri rep personally but Llyod makes the most sense . I would settle for a Yuri mii or even Velvet!

    • @Nick-io5cq
      @Nick-io5cq 5 років тому +1

      I remember seeing leakers on smashboards say they had heard Lloyd irving, and that his name came up more than Yuri Lowell (tales of vesperia protagonist)

    • @Kiefster
      @Kiefster 5 років тому +3

      I have a friend that would love Llyod. Any Tales rep would make me happy at this point.

    • @billable1861
      @billable1861 5 років тому +3

      I thought you meant Lloyd rocket I was like wtf that’s weirder than the Tetris block for dlc meme lol

  • @airship46n
    @airship46n 5 років тому +2

    Everyone seems to have forgotten about Mariokart Tour... It makes me sad since it will supposedly release in June and we haven't seen any gameplay

  • @tabbender1232
    @tabbender1232 5 років тому +21

    Nintendo and Sakurai never hint at things, these Pac-Man cloud and wood background were coincidences

    • @obeserob5027
      @obeserob5027 5 років тому

      Sakurai the day before K rool was announced said "not to worry about his red eye in tomorrow's direct". Lo and behold k rool was announced and sakurai in the direct had no red eye. If I'm not mistaken he said something about witches before bayo was announced

    • @horseworms
      @horseworms 5 років тому

      @@obeserob5027 I think he was being sarcastic...

    • @tabbender1232
      @tabbender1232 5 років тому +1

      I wasn't being sarcastic. When there's foreshadowing like in the example "Obese ROB" gave, it's always like, a day in advance at most.
      I legitimately think this "Pac-Man cloud" was NOT a Pac-Man cloud, and that the background at E3 wasn't intended to be DK-themed. You guys make yourself look dumb by making such stupid theories. Hell, the witch in question have nothing to do with Banjo in the first place. That's just reaching.
      It's just the chairs / the Rathalos pic / the Rayman cloud / anything related to Shantae all over again.

    • @horseworms
      @horseworms 5 років тому

      @@tabbender1232 Oddly enough, I agree with you. I thought you were being sarcastic because everyone else believes it. I don't think the witch meant anything. I thought the Pac-Man cloud thing was a hint, until I looked at the original picture and saw that the image Papageno showed was obviously edited to make the cloud look more obvious.
      But yeah, I'm right on board with you. I think this witch thing is blow WAAAY out of proportion.

  • @mattperdue4128
    @mattperdue4128 5 років тому +9

    My mind was blown by that last theory. 🤯

  • @dankeykang8243
    @dankeykang8243 5 років тому +31

    Doom guy is just Link but from the future

    • @wyatt8000
      @wyatt8000 5 років тому +14

      Dankey Kang
      And he’s just a photoshopped little mac.

    • @mq8858
      @mq8858 5 років тому +1

      I like both of those theories

    • @LadyGagaforFortnite
      @LadyGagaforFortnite 5 років тому +1

      Link is Tapion from another Timeline.

  • @porphyriticnegative7284
    @porphyriticnegative7284 5 років тому +2

    The thing with Jane probably ended up being that the news of a female protagonist wasn't ready, so Nintendo and Atlus didn't want to spoil it yet.

  • @lukedetering4490
    @lukedetering4490 5 років тому +20

    Xbox DLC idea:
    If we get Banjo, we should get minecraft armor as a mii outfit. Use 2 stage slots, Banjo for DLC, and Minecraft for free.

    • @rusty8311
      @rusty8311 5 років тому +10

      Luke Detering YES! You just described exactly what I want. Make it a Minecraft update similar to this stage builder. As much as I love Minecraft, I would not want Steve as a character.

    • @Matt-xl9us
      @Matt-xl9us 5 років тому +1

      They wouldn’t make a dlc stage for free

    • @AdamKillmeyer
      @AdamKillmeyer 5 років тому

      @@Matt-xl9us They did with the Mario Maker stage, didn't they? (Although yes for Minecraft, that likely wouldn't happen)

  • @fromeggman
    @fromeggman 5 років тому +6

    What if we get Leon and Claire as an echo, what if Claire is "Jane" she has a pony tail.

  • @FLYNN_TAGGART
    @FLYNN_TAGGART 5 років тому +4

    2.Persona 4 Protagonist
    3. Persona 3 Protagonist
    4. Persona 2 Protagonist
    5. Persona 1 Protagonist

  • @tacksgmvs2070
    @tacksgmvs2070 5 років тому +3

    Maybe Jane will be an echo fighter. If there’s going to ever be another Fighters Pass I can imagine it being full of echo fighters.

  • @stueystyler
    @stueystyler 5 років тому +9

    I could see Jill Valentine being announced as a DLC fighter alongside an official reveal for a remake of Resident Evil 3: Nemesis.

    • @ihatestairs9034
      @ihatestairs9034 5 років тому +1

      stueystyler I think the RE3 Remake is still a ways off tho

    • @luisreyes1963
      @luisreyes1963 5 років тому

      Don't bet the farm on it...🐣

  • @Phemon1337
    @Phemon1337 5 років тому +1

    I'm personally leaning towards free alt costumes. Having stuff like Wedding Peach/Bowser and a bunch of alts born form the Smash 4 modpacks would be sweet
    EDIT: As for characters, my two only wanted characters (Shantae and Rex&Pyra) have been deconfirmed, so I can only hope they change that in the next DLC pack

  • @u1111-2
    @u1111-2 5 років тому +11

    Believe NOTHING and NO ONE. Anything could be true.
    Everything could be false.
    There is no line of safety.

    • @wyatt8000
      @wyatt8000 5 років тому +2

      TheSpitefulSpirit
      Stop being edgy. It’s just smash bros.

    • @Vice_Verse0
      @Vice_Verse0 5 років тому

      I love it when people's feelings of wanting to be surprised is destroyed. Although I wonder why they show up here.

  • @primal2020
    @primal2020 5 років тому +1

    did you guys notice that banjo-kazooie chronologically takes place between jet force gemini and blast corps in the rare replay game?
    VERY SUSPICIOUS IM SURE

  • @erikshaw7
    @erikshaw7 5 років тому +11

    The Mii costume theory actually makes a lot of sense. Bringing a Microsoft-owned character into Smash would likely be a lot of work, so why not just save time and energy by working with the other companies who are already on board, that way it’ll take some of the stress off their shoulders.

    • @FlareBlitz64
      @FlareBlitz64 5 років тому +1

      It would be a lot of work but Microsoft and Nintendo have actually on good terms and the evidence is with the release of cuphead on switch

    • @Vice_Verse0
      @Vice_Verse0 5 років тому

      True, but I think we're getting two completely new franchises from some companies we don't have just yet.

  • @andrewskaggs7308
    @andrewskaggs7308 5 років тому +1

    I could see the Resident Evil Characters being Leon and Claire as echos, like Simon and Richter. They both are very similar in the games but have different guns, Leon with a shotgun, Clare with a chemical grenade launcher, slightly different pistols, I think there could be massive potential there for two echos.

  • @kienergy4858
    @kienergy4858 5 років тому +21

    I’m still holding out for sora, not sure where he stands and even if sakurai even considered him but he’s a dream pick

    • @KeyBlade402
      @KeyBlade402 5 років тому +1

      Aidan Gurrola I’m holding on with you bro

    • @Mr.Moseby.
      @Mr.Moseby. 5 років тому

      if they were gonna add sora they would have added him with the release of kh3

    • @kienergy4858
      @kienergy4858 5 років тому +1

      No Running In My Lobby you know I would think the same thing or there was a rumor that there were ports of the story so far being added so that would be a another aspect that they would announce with sora for smash

    • @fraserodonnell7618
      @fraserodonnell7618 5 років тому

      KH3 is already released though

    • @kienergy4858
      @kienergy4858 5 років тому

      Not on switch it isnt

  • @Namingway248
    @Namingway248 5 років тому +2

    in a purely technical sense (which is pretty nit-picky) joker's gun is actually just a model gun. the reason it can shoot bullets is because inside the cognitive world (mementos and palaces) all the third parties which are already in ridiculous situations such as sci-fi spaceships or ancient tombs perceive such weapons as menacing and harmful, and because its a cognitive world perceptions shape reality.
    it is very clearly basically a normal straight-up gun though.

  • @JeanneFeisont
    @JeanneFeisont 5 років тому +22

    Hey you Pikachu huh...? So if I have that in my N64 I get special spirits?

  • @xeye17
    @xeye17 5 років тому +7

    Prosafiagaming got the Toy-Con VR goggles spirit in his Joker classic mode run.

    • @alexander1055
      @alexander1055 5 років тому

      @Sean Ramos no they released them today

  • @staretimecomics
    @staretimecomics 5 років тому +4

    Now, if only we could get some spirits from Final Fantasy.

  • @ChronoKatie
    @ChronoKatie 5 років тому

    You never cease to amaze, buddy. Some awesome speculation here. Never thought we could narrow it down to the 4 most likely like this...

  • @dubbie27
    @dubbie27 5 років тому +21

    If Capcom is to get a rep, I hope for either Amaterasu or Phoenix Wright

    • @nyannibalism
      @nyannibalism 5 років тому +3

      I would love for Amaterasu to get in.

    • @ant1626
      @ant1626 5 років тому +1

      Nah bro Dante, Nero or V

    • @ihatestairs9034
      @ihatestairs9034 5 років тому +1

      Leon or bust I say.

    • @gioprower4186
      @gioprower4186 5 років тому

      i Absolutely would love to see Amaterasu in Ultimate.

  • @AaronMorel01
    @AaronMorel01 5 років тому +2

    With the addition of Fighters Pass spirits, I think Porky’s chances of being DLC are now even higher. Think about all the Porky-related characters there are in the Mother series that don’t have spirits.
    Picky Minch
    Monotoli
    Carpainter
    Dr. Andonuts
    Giygas
    Mecha Drago
    The Pigmasks
    Porky’s robot maid
    Facade
    Porky Statue (which was a boss in Brawl and is in the background of NPC)
    NK Cyborg
    And probably more that I’m forgetting.
    While a re-release of the Mother trilogy on the Switch is a nice thought, it’s not very likely.

  • @johnmatlock8629
    @johnmatlock8629 5 років тому +11

    Well yes the joker character is cool and the tracks are off the chain I'm hoping for banjo next🐶

  • @Wolf-fe3ci
    @Wolf-fe3ci 5 років тому +2

    I think that you should've talked about the datamined character codename HEART, I wanted to hear your speculations relating to what character it could be.

    • @tiporosso
      @tiporosso 5 років тому

      Sans

    • @elemomnialpha
      @elemomnialpha 5 років тому +1

      Sounds like Sora to me

    • @rusty8311
      @rusty8311 5 років тому

      Wolf 1140 That was not a real datamine lol, it was fake

  • @likeandsubscribe4650
    @likeandsubscribe4650 5 років тому +3

    The chairs were a reference to WOL

  • @crimsonravager
    @crimsonravager 5 років тому +1

    C06 is the seventh alt because for costume the default is 00 so “Jane” would be joker’s seventh which we have seen is his school outfit

  • @onionplays3303
    @onionplays3303 5 років тому +7

    So you’re saying Leon Kennedy, Heihachi, Banjo, and Erdrick, right? I thought so. 😂

  • @user-wf1nb8cc8o
    @user-wf1nb8cc8o 5 років тому +1

    My theory is that Jane was gonna be Ann from Persona as an alt of Joker, since the 6th costume resembles her the most (costume colors and the added effort of being the only Joker skin with a hair color swap, being her hair color). Ann also has ponytails, sooooo....

  • @WakeUpUniverse66
    @WakeUpUniverse66 5 років тому +3

    Jane = Jane Goodall = Female Ape Expert = Dixie Kong DLC for next Fighter.

  • @alexstrand2440
    @alexstrand2440 2 роки тому +1

    it's interesting coming back to see what theories people had now that all characters have been revealed.

  • @tamalemuncher789
    @tamalemuncher789 5 років тому +13

    Joker has a gun that only works in the metaverse. Outside of that, its just a simple airsoft

    • @wyatt8000
      @wyatt8000 5 років тому +5

      Nobody who didn’t play the game would know that.

    • @chasehinson7632
      @chasehinson7632 5 років тому +1

      Never played the game please explain as i'm interested

    • @shadowflex20
      @shadowflex20 5 років тому +1

      @@chasehinson7632 you know how in the original It movie pennywise got hit by "acid battery"? Yeah that's how prop guns work in the metaverse

    • @shadowflex20
      @shadowflex20 5 років тому

      @@chasehinson7632 metaverse is the universe inside our cognitions/minds btw

    • @H4rdlex
      @H4rdlex 5 років тому +2

      @@chasehinson7632 Basically is fake model gun but it works in the cognitive world of Persona 5 as if it they were real.

  • @cristianperez9786
    @cristianperez9786 5 років тому +1

    How cool would it be if once we got the rest of the 4 characters, sakurai gives an announcement saying “im sure you noticed the extra space for a stage right? Well, as a treat for all your support, i decided to throw in one last character, here he is” and then he releases freaking geno with forest maze

  • @AZ0_art
    @AZ0_art 5 років тому +3

    The second character is monster hunter in the E3 + the reveal of MONSTER HUNTER VICTORY FOR SWITCH ON 2020.

  • @belzweis9568
    @belzweis9568 5 років тому +2

    Okay guys what alternate costumes, do wish were in Smash Ultimate?
    I want
    Samus: Fusion suit
    Piranha Plant: Bone Piranha Plant.
    Bowser: Dry bowser, Wedding Suit.

    • @alexander1055
      @alexander1055 5 років тому +1

      Captain Falcon: Vegeta Sayian Armor
      Link: Hyrule Warriors Link

    • @belzweis9568
      @belzweis9568 5 років тому

      @@alexander1055 that's not cannon lol

    • @alexander1055
      @alexander1055 5 років тому

      @@belzweis9568 what is not a cannon?

    • @belzweis9568
      @belzweis9568 5 років тому

      @@alexander1055 the Vegata Sayian armor for Captian Falcon is not from the source material of Captian Falcon, making it not cannon.

    • @alexander1055
      @alexander1055 5 років тому

      @@belzweis9568 What does it matter, half of his alternative costumes are "non canon", I still want it

  • @lucasleingang6144
    @lucasleingang6144 5 років тому +5

    71. Joker
    72. Erdrick
    73. Steve or Banjo
    74. Siegfried or Nightmare
    75. Leon kennedy or doom guy

  • @mamodokod
    @mamodokod 5 років тому +2

    Yes exactly they're trying really hard to hide the code name meanings so since Erdrick is literally called brave it probably isn't him.

  • @TerraNovaXV
    @TerraNovaXV 5 років тому +5

    Woah a video from the guy YES.. I MISS YOUR LEAKS VIDS

    • @PapaGenos
      @PapaGenos  5 років тому +3

      well this ones got a bit of everything, LOTS to cover after joker here

    • @TerraNovaXV
      @TerraNovaXV 5 років тому

      Joker is a good release imo, im super excited for what dlc #2 and new modes will be about

  • @tacksgmvs2070
    @tacksgmvs2070 5 років тому +2

    Holy crap. The Temple of Zelda does look like the Zelda stage in SoulCalibur. If Smash crosses over with SC that would be wild.

  • @mattmagnell2312
    @mattmagnell2312 5 років тому +25

    I'm still hoping for Master Chief and Sora.

    • @horseworms
      @horseworms 5 років тому +3

      Master Chief was sadly deconfirmed by a head developer back in early December. Sora might still be possible though.

    • @NovaXStar
      @NovaXStar 5 років тому +1

      @@horseworms Just because they said he isn't coming to Smash Fighters Pass doesn't mean he couldn't still be added later. We could possibly have another Fighters Pass.

    • @horseworms
      @horseworms 5 років тому

      @@NovaXStar True. I wouldn't bet on it personally, but it's certainly possible.

  • @MrJobocan
    @MrJobocan 5 років тому +2

    Also Joker doesn't have a gun. He uses model guns that don't actually work. That could be Nintendo's rationale, though obviously someone who hasn't played P5 would just think it's a gun, when it's not.

  • @ihatestairs9034
    @ihatestairs9034 5 років тому +5

    I literally am so sure that Banjo is going to be announced that I started a bet with my friend. 20$ he’s announced at e3 ez money

    • @me-xz8zf
      @me-xz8zf 5 років тому +1

      You really are Eustace!!!

    • @mugiwaranonaruto1
      @mugiwaranonaruto1 5 років тому +1

      No wonder you're broke, eustace

  • @snakejesus
    @snakejesus 5 років тому +1

    I honestly wish Geno would be playable, it would make a lot of fans happy and Sakurai did say he would love for him in Smash since he has guns as hands. I'm still holding onto that small level of hope

  • @mrHowlll
    @mrHowlll 5 років тому +3

    While his chances are low I am still hoping for Klonoa

  • @leonardomapache
    @leonardomapache 5 років тому +1

    Theory: Jane and ponytail is there to mess with data miners.

  • @mac8782
    @mac8782 5 років тому +6

    I want doomguy in smash. I feel like hes very iconic

    • @austinkuntv5411
      @austinkuntv5411 5 років тому

      Not too iconic. I guarantee you show him to anyone, most people will guess that he is master chief

    • @luisreyes1963
      @luisreyes1963 5 років тому

      No. 😠👎

  • @dmcquack7781
    @dmcquack7781 5 років тому +1

    Last time you wore that shirt I searched everything online for it and now I have I love that shirt
    For anyone who is wondering the design is called: Super Starry Night

  • @Juaneezy323
    @Juaneezy323 5 років тому +3

    Mii fighter: Teddy (bear)
    Bird stage: (bird)
    Witch stage: (witch)
    #BanjoKazooie

    • @ethanxpsp2770
      @ethanxpsp2770 5 років тому +1

      Holy crap never noticed that

    • @Juaneezy323
      @Juaneezy323 5 років тому

      Ethan Freeman Let’s just hope these signs mean something 😫

    • @ethanxpsp2770
      @ethanxpsp2770 5 років тому

      @@Juaneezy323 uh huh

    • @Juaneezy323
      @Juaneezy323 5 років тому

      Bruh a fucking jigsaw piece by the witch nose!! Middle of the moon!!!

  • @hyde4709
    @hyde4709 5 років тому +1

    Remember that leak that in E3 2018 they were to reveal 2 characters.(Crash and Spyro)
    I think that leak was probably was refering E3 2019 but maybe not who knows.

  • @linklink4real
    @linklink4real 5 років тому +4

    You are amazing PapaGenos!

  • @Cithara
    @Cithara 5 років тому +2

    My dream would be during e3 Microsoft announces xbox live crossplay with the switch, then announces Banjo-Threeie and that it would be coming to the xbox and switch, alongside the announcement of Banjo and Kazooie in smash.

  • @xenophacilus5895
    @xenophacilus5895 5 років тому +6

    I feel like out of all the spirits, Rayman, Shantae, and a Monster Hunter rep has the highest chances out of all the spirits cause they are only represented by 1-2 spirits. Rayman has characters that were trophies in 4 but are now missing in Ultimate, Shantae is missing a lot of friends, and Rathalos is the only one from Monster Hunter so there are plenty of Monsters left.

    • @pallao3500
      @pallao3500 5 років тому +4

      But while Shantae and Rayman already have their Spirits, a spirit of a Monster Hunter is still missing. So, in fact, of all the series which already have spirits in Smash, Monster Hunter is the only series I could still see as a part of the DLC packages. (I haven't specifically checked all of the spirits, of course. MH is just the only one where I noticed that at least one spirit is already there, but without a spirit of the main character )

  • @newageBoundhippie
    @newageBoundhippie 5 років тому +1

    small note on the Tecmo related Spirits....and the Assist Trophy as well. Nintendo actually co-owns Fatal Frame, so while yes they are Tecmo they're also Nintendo. also Joker having a gun means Lara Croft is more possible ( one of the biggest arguments I've seen against her inclusion was her iconic dual Desert Eagles among other firearms form the series )

  • @amphabulousnake_4631
    @amphabulousnake_4631 5 років тому +9

    Still hoping for Professor Layton and Level 5 representation overall :/
    Love your videos btw :D

    • @roqm0z666
      @roqm0z666 5 років тому +3

      Phoenix wright Layton tag team would make me cry

    • @amphabulousnake_4631
      @amphabulousnake_4631 5 років тому +1

      @@roqm0z666 ABSOLUTELY
      The only other Capcom characters I can see getting in as dlc are Dante or Phoenix Wright, and I definitely want the latter just for the "professor Layton Vs Phoenix Wright" aspect :D

  • @TsunaWRLD
    @TsunaWRLD 5 років тому +2

    23:06 Wait, Dragon Battle? OMG Dragon Quest DLC character confirmed. Not really but all these evidence show that we should be getting a DLC character from Dragon Quest

  • @zaden9009
    @zaden9009 5 років тому +4

    Me waiting for a specific kombatant to join Smash

  • @AirJig
    @AirJig 5 років тому

    So this is the first video of yours i've watched, and I gotta say, I very much appreciate the song in your opening credits. Beware the Forest Mushrooms is my alarm clock in the morning and Super Mario RPG is quite possibly my favorite game of all time. I subscribed before I even watched the video! Anyways, good on ya m8.

  • @wizardfrog5226
    @wizardfrog5226 5 років тому +3

    I just want some Hollow Knight representation. Preferably a playable Hornet.

  • @christopherbf1197
    @christopherbf1197 5 років тому +2

    I have a hunch that they will add 1 more Nintendo home rep such as a Fire Emblem to promote Three Houses. The other 3 could be 3rd party characters. I'm hoping Master Chief for Microsoft, Tomb Raider as a female Square Enix rep, and lastly any iteration of an Assassin's Creed. A/C would be the Ubisoft rep since Rayman and Rabbid are spirits. A/C 3 Remastered is coming to the Switch. Also, A/C had a crossover with Monster Hunter, therefore, making his classic mode boss, Rathalos, possibly.

  • @keyframecatalyst3344
    @keyframecatalyst3344 5 років тому +5

    Still stubbornly crossing my fingers for Porky from Mother 3 :))))

    • @retrogamermax8287
      @retrogamermax8287 5 років тому +2

      Me too. I have great faith in Porky's chances this time around.

    • @luisreyes1963
      @luisreyes1963 5 років тому

      If he's a boss, OK then.

    • @retrogamermax8287
      @retrogamermax8287 5 років тому

      @@luisreyes1963 His chances are much higher to be playable than coming back as a boss.

  • @aeonbandit2473
    @aeonbandit2473 5 років тому +1

    Note: The female in the P5R trailer does not believe in the phantom theives and thus can not be related to Joker due to there differences about the phantom theives and If Jane was attached to Joker’s 6th Alt color Witch is his Goro outfit and Also Jokers Gun is fake It’s a model Gun that you can buy at an Airsoft shop

    • @PapaGenos
      @PapaGenos  5 років тому

      arsene has its own codename tho "doyle"

    • @aeonbandit2473
      @aeonbandit2473 5 років тому

      PapaGenos true when I put this up I hadn’t got there yet and I will remove it

  • @TofuParty
    @TofuParty 5 років тому +5

    That Nook render is from Pocket Camp, unfortunately :(

  • @ryanmalone6047
    @ryanmalone6047 5 років тому +2

    Crash Bandicoot is my most wanted

  • @georgesherwood6110
    @georgesherwood6110 5 років тому +4

    After seeing how much work went into joker, I really want Steve. Just imagine Minecraft content like they did with Persona

  • @Monroe_09
    @Monroe_09 5 років тому +2

    My dream is still Cronos from Chrono Trigger, Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia and Banjo-Kazooie.

  • @Kogelvis
    @Kogelvis 5 років тому +3

    I'm really not buying the Mii costume theory. For one, like you touched on, it would greatly limit the potential for characters. That means the Fighter Pass roster for this game would have been decided on way back when those Mii costumes were originally created for the Wii U. Doesn't seem very likely to me.
    Furthermore, I'm pretty sure Joker is owned by Atlus, not Sega. Similar situation to Bayonetta, I suppose, who is definitely owned by Platinum, even though her original game was published by Sega. So that goes against the idea that all of the Mii costumes in this first batch are tied to Sega per se.
    The Mii costumes are not part of the Fighter Pass, they just happened to release on the same day. I feel like Mii costumes might just get dropped on the eShop every now and then as we wait for more fighters.
    Really enjoy your videos by the way! Some great speculation to engage with.

    • @elemomnialpha
      @elemomnialpha 5 років тому +1

      Sega DOES own Bayonetta, not Platinum, and they also own ATLUS, saying Joker isn't a Sega character at this point is like saying Kirby isn't a Nintendo character he's HAL's, he's both

  • @our_illumination949
    @our_illumination949 5 років тому +1

    I’ve been saying the same thing for awhile, Banjo & Kazooie will be shown off in Nintendo’s 2019 E3 Direct and be released later that day. Alongside with them, we’ll most likely get a Banjo & Kazooie Remake similar to what’s been done with Crash Bandicoot and Spyro, but it’ll be available on the Switch and Xbox.
    I can see them doing Mii Fighter costumes for Conker and other Rare and Microsoft characters like Steve from Minecraft.
    You guys do realize that Xbox Games is shifting to a service rather than a traditional console platform like PlayStation and Nintendo? They have even said they could possibly have their Xbox Live service available on PlayStation platforms. That’s ultimately why they have been open to crossplay.

  • @risingtoastcheesecake4730
    @risingtoastcheesecake4730 5 років тому +3

    Gruntilda would make for a nice boss. Even though I like Conker as a fighter more, I definetely like banjo and kazooie and that boss fight would be juicy.

  • @MaximumKOF
    @MaximumKOF 5 років тому

    Great video as usual, Genos.
    Regarding Mii Fighter costumes, I have my own speculation regarding what they mean for future fighters and also suspected that each company (Capcom, Squeenix, and Namco) might get new fighters so they could re-release their Sm4sh Mii costumes. Joker coming solely with Sega outfits seemingly supported this idea, but the lack of Virtua Fighter costumes got me curious.
    In Smash 4, the Virtua Fighter and Heihachi costumes were released alongside Ryu. The common theme there is that they're characters who debuted in fighting games. Ryu's character trailer emphasized this with him clashing with a Heihachi Mii. It's worth noting that the VF and Tekken Miis were also the only ones based on fighting games, so I don't think their releasing with Ryu was a coincidence.
    With that in mind, I think it's possible that rather than just grouping future Mii outfits by the character's IP holder, they may also group them by genre. For example, the remaining fighting game costumes could launch with a fighting game character, Erdrick (or whoever the Square rep is) could come with the Square outfits (Chocobo, Geno) along with other RPG outfits (Gil, Lloyd, MegaMan.EXE, and/or Monster Hunter outfits), you get the idea.
    If this turns out to be the case, it's possible future characters don't even need to be from the same company as the older Mii costumes. For example, the fighting game outfits might just as likely come with KOF characters or even someone like Ryu Hayabusa (thanks to DOA) as Tekken or SoulCal ones, a platformer character like Banjo could come with the other Mega Man outfits, etc. (You could even argue that the Sonic outfits releasing with Joker still loosely fits thematically since Sonic Forces and P5 Dancing each included costumes from each other's franchises).
    Also, regarding Joker's gun opening up the floodgates for other gun wielders like RE or Doom characters, I can't say I agree. Much like how Bayo's guns get a pass because they don't canonically shoot real bullets, Joker's gun is the same way. In P5, Joker's gun is only a replica. It's useless in the "real" world, but in Mementos and the game's various Palaces (whose forms and inhabitants exist solely on a cognitive level), the gun does work because it looks realistic enough for enemies to think it's real (kind of like an extreme placebo effect). RE characters and Doomguy don't have this distinction, so I don't think Joker makes them any more likely than before (though you could maybe do Doomguy if he focused on energy-based weapons and explosives like the rocket launcher or plasma gun).

  • @handsmcgee8331
    @handsmcgee8331 5 років тому +3

    I hope all the DLC isn’t filled with Japanese anime looking characters, that’d be annoying. Cartoony characters like Banjo Kazooie, Crash Bandicoot, Rayman etc fit best in Smash imo

  • @EchoYosharoo
    @EchoYosharoo 5 років тому

    17:35 I noticed ages ago that there was a missing slot there, and I thought maybe they might add a returning stage that wasn't featured in this game as DLC. However, it makes sense that this is missing, if you edit your rules to make the stage selection random, and select which stages do/don't appear in the random selection, that slot is taken by the option to turn on/off custom stages in the random selection. Just wanted to let you know that that might be the case of why it is empty there.

  • @Lance90Michael
    @Lance90Michael 5 років тому +4

    Oh Papa I want banjo so @#%&$*@@%$#*&@$ BAD, Tell me its going to happen PAPA

    • @PapaGenos
      @PapaGenos  5 років тому +1

      i hope it will! it does seem to be looking good for banjo lately

  • @alternativeshirokuma7919
    @alternativeshirokuma7919 5 років тому

    thanks for being a smash content youtuber that looks at all perspectives, researches your sources, and other people sources/rumors/leaks etc. you dont jump to conclusions, and you remain calm and dont feel fake compared to lax chris who just reads leaks all day from 4chan (anybody can do that / assume every post on there is credible. ) keep up the good work, and remember to stay true to yourself and the speculation/videos you make. (also, a rumor and a leak are 2 different things. leaks would be accidents / direct source of possible info from nintendo. a rumor is...of course, hearsay, not proven, or credible / reliable.)

  • @enmanuelreacts5388
    @enmanuelreacts5388 5 років тому +3

    I really hope banjo makes an appearance at E3 but at the same time i want cuphead has a playable characters cupheadvs iceclimers☺

  • @LucinaMomento
    @LucinaMomento 5 років тому +1

    I personally feel that Monokuma might be added, he really fits the mold of a DLC fighter in my opinion