A SAFER BERTH - Re-supporting HMS Victory
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- First of three films charting the multi-million pound task of re-supporting Nelson’s flagship HMS Victory.
Produced by Maritime Films UK for The National Museum of the Royal Navy.
Some things are worth preserving.
I am so grateful they are preserving these great treasures of history!
It really should be made seaworthy and used, can u imagine this taking part in the tall ships event, the skills and adventurefor young people and PR for the RN UK would be immense, I know it wouldn't happen but I can dream.
Her wood is far to rotten to be set to sea
Well David Bell it is a nice dream. And it would be great if it became a reality! The question is.....does the Royal Navy have a Live Oaks forest in the UK to be able to have the wood they would need to overhaul the Victory? The Constitution has a Live Oaks forest in Indiana for the purpose that the US Navy owns.... And it would be EXPENSIVE! and Joe Torrance may have a very good point about wood being very rotten! And the other problem is that the skill sets needed to run one of those ships are mostly extinct. The Royal Navy would have to teach people how to do all of the skill sets such as carpentry and being able to run the rigging..... As an example, how many people are qualified as Sailing Masters???? Peace!
@@englundus your right of course, it's a shame people put money before history, I have this other plan to re build part of hadrian's wall, again never happen, ooh I'm a dreamer 😁
Como me gustaría una batalla, sin victimas, enfrentado al Trinidad... salud2
Victory had most of the original wood replaced..I don't think they did that here
I salute the UK's efforts to preserve this ship, heavily damaged at Trafalgar, yet the embodiment of the English Navy under Nelson at that precise period of time. Nelson, probably the greatest Admiral and Naval Tactician ever. He had the whole battle measured and set, then set his ships in for the massive victory that made England the master of the seas for over a Century!!! In the short run, following Trafalgar, Napoleon had no way to get his Armies across to England... Nelson not only established mastery of the Seas, but the peace of England... My how the English love him!!! One man, one nation, the British Naval Profession, and his skill and audacity... He crossed the "T" in several places, and the English sailors made good on that. Funny, there were also Americans on board pressed in to English service!!
No matter if this ship is the oldest commissioned ship or not this ship still needs to be restored!!!...very few wooden ships around nowadays
Victory is having a major refit, it is costing 50 million pounds, she is being restored to the way she was at Trafalgar.
Love the video....very interesting
May God bless you all ! What a wonderful work.
What a project!
Now, imagine if HMS Hood had scored a lucky shot on KMS Bismarck, then survived the war. I wonder if she would have been similarly preserved, or scrapped along with all of the KGV and Nelson class battleships.
I hate to say it, but I doubt she would have survived.
The bastards couldn't bring themselves to preserve WARSPITE, of all things. And Warspite was more deserving of preservation than any other ship in the world. I'd only compare USS Enterprise to her in terms of grand injustices of scrapping.
Quite agree with the comment below. At the end of the war the country was skint. It needed every scrap of steel to make stuff for export. Also, the Brits in this era were never much on conserving or preserving stuff. In the late 40's there was no such thing as leisure time, people did not 'go out for the day" to see an exhibit like Warspite. However, I think it is widely thought that this is the one ship that should have been kept.
Or RMS Olympic :o
Thanks for you video
5 years later… when shall I be able to visit again in full restoration this marvel of the world as visited in 1972 ?!…🙄🥳 I’m a bl….French man 😂
I wonder what those who worked Victory in her active life would make of today's technology. HMS Victory is a Great British icon and its comforting to know that this impressive engineering and supporting finance is being made available to ensure she is available for generations to come and see. I understand its a 20 year project. I hope some of my tax money is being used here.
It seems to me fresh water in the dry dock recirculated to keep it fresh would be better for her than suspension on poles. But I'm glad they are looking after her. My question for the British people is why was HMS DREADNOUGHT not spared? Crying shame.
Dreadnought was a huge mistake by the Royal Navy. In building that one ship, they made every other warship on earth utterly obsolete, which most strongly affected the British as they'd been building ships at a huge rate in the past 15-20 years so that they could be confident to beat the #2 and #3 navies combined. Wiping the slate clean was a disaster.
Also, while it was (possibly) the most influential ship of all time from a design perspective, it became obsolete very quickly as the progenitor of a new paradigm of Battleship construction.
Afraid not. Fresh water rots a ships timbers, salt water preserves them. Fact of life.
ArrZarr uhh no Dreadnaught wasn’t a mistake, and she was not the first Dreadnaught style Battleship to be laid down, regardless of her construction the naval arms race would have begun and the Royal Navy would need to build Dreadnought style Battleships. Dreadnought was the first out because Fisher made sure to accelerate her construction as much as possible using triple shifts, stealing the guns and engines off of predreadnoughts that were still in construction and allocating every resource needed.
@@benters3509 I've lived along Lake Michigan all my 52 years. We have shipwrecks going back 100s of years. They look like museum pieces. The cold fresh water preserves them. Compare that to saltwater wrecks and the difference is huge. We have wood boats here, you let em sweat and the wood swells up and becomes water tight. No barnacles either.
@@deeznoots6241 no you need saltwater
Some good engineering here.
Awesome day out 👍👍👍🤘🤘🙏❤
so they test to 20 tons but normally around 15 tons per ram x was it 136 gives 2040 ton. that will make her pop up! good to hear she is being looked after.
Before I die, I want to see the Victory, the statue at Trafalgar Square, Westminster Abby and the Tower of London.
Well go for it! It's all just a plane flight away, if you're located outside the UK. And if you are in side the UK, why the heck haven't you done it already?
Brilliant that they're looking after this great old ship but it seems like someone made a lot of money to say 'put some poles under the strong bits'
It seems that if they really want to preserve it they should stick in in a building somewhere so it doesn't rain on it and it can be humidity controlled. The USS Constitution in Boston is still floating in water.
@@Anon54387 because she was build half a century after the victory and she’s a much smaller ship with an iron hull so she’s gonna be way easier to preserve than a wooden first rate from almost 300 years ago
@@harleyokeefe5193 Dude did you just say USS Constitution has an iron hull? She's made of oak. Ironclads came 60 years later.
Does the way the Cutty Sark is now supported apply or is Victory just too heavy?
That would be good to see her sail again!!..if possible...wonder if it can be done! ?
Personally, I think the ship should be put in a building so it doesn't rain on it and where it can be humidity controlled. The USS Constitution in Boston is still floating in the water. I don't imagine that can go on forever.
@@Anon54387 theoretically it can be forever as long she is well preserved
Would be nice to see her on the water again.
As I read the other comments below about USS Constitution and HMS Victory being the oldest. Yes, Constitution is the oldest floating commissioned ship. Victory is permanently drydocked. Constitution fought 42 engagements while Victory fought 5 major battles. If we were to pit both Constitution and Victory against each other there's no doubt Victory would defeat Constitution. But since Constitution is a frigate it's faster and manuverable. Both ships have one flaw, their stern. If shots made it into the stern it would cause massive damage. Shots would bounce from stern to stem. Given that I think it would be a stalemate.
Stundie Award the victory actually has 2 well hidden stern cannons just under where it says victory...
I only just found out about them
I'm well aware of the stern cannons. Constitution also had 2 bow chasers.
Victory was considered an excellent sailor for her time while the Constitutions handled more like small lineships than frigates, sure it’s not a 100% guarantee but realistically any confrontation between the two would likely result in the Constitution running as fast as possible from Victory
Well not much difference in speed. Victory 11 knots and constitution 13 knots
Is it the same as being in the water? Surely a natural way if weight displacement.. lovely example .
Yay.
That is so cool
It would be more practical to just take it out of the water all together and place it in a museum after its refurbishment that way it will be out of the elements and continue its history for another 300 years in a climate-controlled environment...back in 1983 I took a tour of her and was in awe at the fine craftsmen ship of this wonderful ship. All hand made with no power tools just muscles, ingenuity and hard work. A great piece of English history...
It is not in any water.
Couldn't you have the ship floating on crude oil or tar in order to preserve the hull and distribute the pressure equally? The only negative thing would be the drydock would not be visible anymore. But the ship would be preserved for hundreds of years, like prehistoric animals found in tar pits
When hms victory can sail again?
Oh come on!!!!
Thats just not fare!!!!!
Question aswell why was the hms dreadnought and all of the similar design even bigger version of the hms dreadnought like the ummmm ahhnn hold up...........ahhh the hms orion and the iron duke why they were scrapped? Like you guys really like scrapping bbs that are important including the hms leander one of my best and favorate ship in the world like leander has a purpose for you know like protecting the beach and river like vanguard he can be deployed if there's any conflict in the sea
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Do you reckon if I paid a ship building company to build me a Ship of the line (like a bellona class 3rd rate). Do you think they'd build it if I payed them enough?
Yes sure but you need to be rich AF. The French frigate Hermione cost 30 million. Now granted she was built largely the same way as in the past as a historical research project save for drill and the like so you might be able to do it cheaper. But Victory is 3 times the tonnage of Hermione. So I think about 60-100 million would do it. There are companies who still build tall ships for movies and such like Bounty or HMS Surprise they would be the people to call. Also Hermione takes a crew of 70, which is a skeleton crew for her. You'd probably need 200-300 to sail her. But people do if for free on Hermione just for the experience. They also relearnt how to sail a square rigged ship so you'll need some sailing lessons. It's quite complex, the steering is mainly done by sail so you always need lots of hands moving the spars.
Oh sorry I forgot the Bellona part, so a third rate would still be a huge ship. Probably still 60-80 million, it's still way more work. I do woodwork so if you need any hands let me know I would love to see HMS Bellona sail. But I need to be paid :P
It looks like the ship has lost her sheer line curve?
why are we listening to a 15 year old telling us how to maintain the integrity of a 250-year old engineering masterpiece of the (and this) age?
The cost of safekeeping for all those years,won't it be cheaper to rebuild new one with whatever you can salvage?
A new one won’t be the original.
There is also a severe lack of properly experienced shipwrights.
French based Le’Hermione is just a frigate and it took them 7 years and $22 million to build it.
And it was build using some more modern methods than the original (modern adhesives, bracing etc.).
HMS Victory is several times the size of Hermoine. The length is similar but Victory is about double the deckheight and has 50% more beam. Overall Victory is probably 3 times the size of Hermione.
So you probably looking at least at a build time of 20+ years and costs between 100 and 200 million. By the end of it you do not have HMS Victory… you have a replica of HMS Victory.
Thats not the point of trying to preserve HMS VICTORY as a historical museum ship. No more than if they turned it into a floating restaurant or casino. They will do whatever it takes to keep it as is for as long as they can.
Why preserve the Alamo, or keep the White House, or the original Constitution (Document), or Mt. Vernon (Washingtons home), when you can save money by taking token pieces, scrap the rest and make new copies?
The point of preserving any ancient artifact is it being original and old.
@@Praxics0815 Hermione took 17 years.
I’d love to build a yacht, from iron wood……..
This is what worries me about dry berthing the Texas, wouldn’t this happen to it too?
Eventually but she is steel and if its done properly she should sag a lot less. Still these ships where quite flexible and bent quite a bit so she would sag if not supported properly. Despite being a lot stronger than Victory she also over 10 times the weight...
Of course, wouldnt the cheaper way have been to put her back in the sea 🤔 yes, my surnames Nelson, but i dont know if im related to the admiral or not, if i was, id want my ship back please 😂
Any family traits such as a dodgy eye or only one working arm? 😁 If u do, your in with a shout lol
Why dont they cover it with a actual ship yard roof? - It would last far longer !
Iron wood, is just like it sounds…..
Wo ist die ganze tagelage des Schiffes
Wird grad massiv restauriert, dauert noch ein paar Jahre. Sie soll wieder seetüchtig gemacht werden. Nicht das sie jemals wieder in Wasser kommt.
Why isn't Victory fully rigged with full masts?
They removed the masts and rigging for repair. It also saves weight on the hull which needs to be fixed.
Victory is having a major refit, it is costing aroung £50 million pounds, the masts spars and rigging will all be back.
Damn Putin! Because of the special operation, I will not be able to visit this museum!(I am engaged in modeling wooden ships and maritime business. Яндекс переводчик.
I want to see her depart
The Victory without masts and spars is not attractive. Admiral Nelson spun on his column near Whitehall when they were removed.
Chill they are being restored. I would love to visit again but I'm waiting on that. Saw her in the late 90s fully rigged.
Я русский и я ничего не понял. Лайк за видео.
I need a poo
It's been three months, have you had one yet?
Restore her then put her back in the water.
Different kind of oak….
Put it in the water. It's absolutely ridiculous that you spent that money doing that. The 20% original wood on the USS Constitution is all below the waterline. The saltwater preserves the wood. Unlike the HMS Land Barge, the USS Constitution is entirely sea worthy. It could with 100% certainty, set sail and make the voyage across the Atlantic for Portsmouth this morning. The ship is taken into drydock every few decades for 3 years. There is no reason that HMS Victory should not be made sail ready. It is only 6 years older than the Constitution, yet they are in far different situations. The Constitution was in Boston harbor on Independence day and fired a 21 gun salute 2 months ago, July 4th, 2019. Sometimes when we look beyond our sphere of influence, there are better alternatives.
Victory is noticeably older, about 1 average lifespan of a wooden war ship. Constitution was in bad shape, when it was decided to restore her to keep her afloat.
That restoration meant a lot of original fabric of the ship had to be replaced and thus lost, so now constitution is about 20% original. With Victory, the decision was made to keep her in dry dock and preserve as much of her as possible, and there are somewhat 30-35% of her original 1765 timbers in her, mostly keel, lower frames and the orlop and lower gun deck.
Her original timbers, though, are not in a conditions for active sailing etc., and would have to be replaced to make her seaworthy.
So, the question if, if you'd rather preserve a 35% original ship in a dry dock, away from the onforgiving dangers of the sea, or do you replace most of what is left of her, so the remaining 5-10% can rot afloat?
As much as it is unpopular to say this, victory would benefit from being kept sheltered from the elements, by, say building some sort of giand garage around and above her, to keep out storms, freezing water and burning sun.
Put it in the water ... ffs
for the cost of this and the 20 to 30 million preservation work, you'd have been better off building a new one mate....
ridiculous comment
this is by far the dumbest comment in this section, yes lets just replace the almost 300 year old ship and its history despite the original costing over 50 million to build
Hermione a frigate cost 30 million and took 17 years. It would probably at least cost 100-200 million to build a Victory.
Love the back and forth on Victory and Constitution. My 2 cents, Constitution sunk 2 British frigates and still afloat, Victory .......none.
Gw 598 victory was involved in 5 major battles... constitution was only involved in minor engagements
Gw 598 hms Victory was an old ship before the war even started,
Hms Victory has more than twice the firepower and was way way bigger
Hey, let's do this meet in the middle of the Atlantic and let Constitution and Victory duke it out. Ohh she can't get underway, hmm...... a commissioned museum.
Gw 598 there’s nothing left of the original constitution... it’s all been replaced
M’ aiq BS, I got a piece of it on my wall. That's what's great about wooden ships, you can constantly replace rotten out parts and keep them going indefinitely. Steel ships you can't do that. Your lucky to get 30 to 40 years out of them.
Why are some Americans mouthing off about this? None of their business. But that's what Americans do.
23 seconds at the start just wasting everyone's time. Get to the point
scrap the war junk
bauuu. conservate this ship. build a carrier. ex the eu. you will never have a word to speak in the world again. i am tired of your nostalgy, brits.
Dear God, learn how to spell a few English words and then how to string them together.