HMS Victory - In Her True Colours
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- Опубліковано 24 жов 2015
- HMS Victory - In Her True Colours
Painting HMS Victory - Repainted in the true colours Nelson would have known.
Produced by Maritime Films UK (www.maritimefilmsuk.tv) for the National Museum of the Royal Navy.
Retired U.S. Navy Chief Warrant Officer here. I was blessed to tour HMS VICTORY last December with a group of fellow Americans, many of whom were also veterans of the U.S. Marine Corps, the others all law enforcement professionals. It was the highlight of our trip to the United Kingdom. Our tour was a private one, conducted by the Executive Officer of VICTORY, also a Chief Warrant Officer, RN. I served in the U.S. Navy for more than 24 years, travelled all across the world, visited over 50 countries during my career. However, my tour of VICTORY was one of the most enjoyable and meaningful experiences ever for me. She is glorious, the oldest commissioned warship in the world, and I will never forget the nearly three hours I crawled around her hull in complete admiration and joy. I can now say I've toured VICTORY, as well as USS CONSTITUTION, the oldest commissioned U.S. warship on U.S. Navy rolls as well. My tour of VICTORY is one of only several true highlights in my life involving my Naval Service. She is magnificent.
Try and see Wasa in Stockholm, Sweden. That will really be the highlight of anything so far.
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As a model builder myself, I can sympathize with all those who built kits of this ship and spent hundreds of dollars and months of effort only to be told that they have the colors wrong.😖😤😭
I suppose it all depends on what time period you want to depict. The guy at the Lincoln lab said earlier paint schemes were more like the orange colour that most people seem to favour. That's the scheme I'm going to paint mine in when it arrives anyway 😁
you can depict her as she was in the museum period, then you need to keep yellow saturated
This just can't be right...look at the contemporary paintings...someone here must be color blind.😂😂😂😂
I can appreciate the research and effort that was done but I have to ask why do contemporary models of Royal Navy ships of the Napoleanic period have the familiar yellow ocre color? I'll keep with the saturated yellow ocre when I build.
American, here. Nobody, but nobody, could build a great ship like that other than Great Britain. Salute.
Look up a video from Drachinifel here on UA-cam called "The Forgotten Fleet". It's about all the old sailing warships in the US Navy that have been forgotten. It's a shame, one of our old ship of the line survived for a long time as a class room ship before being scrapped.
@@airplanenut89 thanks.... I will. Take care...
it´s horrible to see a ship like her so crippled without masts
I agree it’s a depressing sight, but I’d much rather her be safe in a dry dock than at the bottom of the ocean
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng I believe the mast go down to the drock base, her keel has been cut to allow the masts through. What squashes her, is her own weight.
I'd advocate for putting her under a roof already.
Hopefully this new renovation grant has enough money for new masts and rigging once they've sorted out the more necessary work of improving the hull supports and preventing more wood degredation. It'd be grand so see her with full rigging and the ensign flying high.
Kato Ho Ten Soeng No , they will finish up building a frame and support the masts from above
I agree I too think it looks horrible without the masts
I went there on the 200th Celebration of Waterloo and inside the ship it was stunning to walk where the commanders and all the men stood at one point in History.
Isn't that an awesome experience!
200th Celebration of Waterloo or Trafalgar? I mean there's nothing stopping you going on the 200th celebration of Waterloo, but I can't imagine they would have done anything special for it!
@@xenofunk1 I think he was meaning Trafalgar. I love your name so different.
if it's accurate to the day - and the paint chips show it is - then, she's perfect.
Excellent!!! I'm a professional model maker, I'm about to build a model of her. This is the reason I clicked on this video. As the quizzical comment said about model ships around the world now being the wrong color..... HA HA HA I think that's hilarious. The replica ship Endeavour in Australia said these are the correct colors. I'm so thankful I found that video, (on her launch the true colors were discused.) Thank you
The people claiming the previous colour looked more pleasing. Are judging their decision from a biased perspective. If Victory was painted in the new livery during the 1920s, and subsequently repainted with the old scheme. Everyone would be up in arms about them painting Victory orange.
I agree
I agree. For example the Eiffel Tower is brown, but the original colour was red and then it was yellow. If they painted it yellow today people would say it looks wrong.
Salisbury Cathedral was originally painted red, blue and green on the outside.
It's just what we're used to seeing. Especially if it's looked like that all of our lives.
Don't put words in people's mouthes. I already knew color schemes similar to the new one here, and the orange-black painting just looks better. I doubt your assertion is true.
@@sophiemac1632 kinda like the statue of liberty can never be copper again its just wrong after all this time she is green.
Actually the more 'orange colour' as models in the Musée national de la Marine, Paris confirm, is the French colour ! By 1921, Victory's stripes were as per all the Victorian British warships, black and white.
People had simply forgotten the real yellow so she was painted Chrome Yellow.
Knowing something of the history of paint, I knew this had to be wrong so was the first person (1996? ish) to challenge the hull colour.
Log of HMS VICTORY May 3rd 1805
Dismissed ye carpenter, Jonathan Grey,who had , before having been discovered by the ship’s doctor to be completely colour-blind ,ordered the ship’s sides to be painted a light pink while the Captain was away. He had thought it was instead the normal tan-ochre . We cruise against the French tonight without chance of repainting. Landsman Grey sentenced to receive 50 lashes .
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We should do this to our conciously failing politicians. The 50 lashes in public, I mean. Chest and back.
@@the_rover1 just hang poly-LIE-TIC-ians.
@@GreencampRhodie that's barbaric and cruel!!1! how dare you, monster!1
@@the_rover1 not nearly as barbaric as the CONavirUS tyranny & terrorism & treason they've unleashed.
I built this as a model years ago..., one of the best models I ever built.
My mate Paul did a model of the Victory
Great educational video for all enthusiasts of Naval history from across the globe. A Beautiful ship reflecting English naval history.
After watching your program and learning about the history, my kids and I are extremely encouraged to built the scale model of the H.M.S. Victory 👍🏻🇬🇧.
From your American 🇺🇸 cousins across the Atlantic, thank you.
Take care of your national treasure, priceless. Must protect for future generations to see, learn English history👍🏻🇬🇧
We would be honored to visit first hand the H.M.S. Victory 👍🏻😉🇬🇧🇺🇸
I wonder if Nelson could see Victory today if he would be more concerned about adequate powder, cannon balls and the training of his gunnery crews than the color of his ship
I think he would merely be in awe that after 250+ years, all her fighting, and even surviving the Blitz with but a scratch, HMS Victory is still around. Not only that but seen as a hero in her own right, and so carefully cared for well beyond her years as a combat unit. The only thing he might not like is that becoming a museum means Victory is now unable to sail.
Probably have more to say about the HMS M.33, the HMS Warrior and the modern Warships that can all be seen from there.
and then he sees an american super battle ship rocking a god damn rail gun and just walks away head hung low becuase he knows the empire has truly fallen.
I think Nelson would want some of the thick armour plating off the warships in the background. 😊
Die Victory darf niemals vergessen werden. Sie ist ein Stolz der ganzen Erde! The Victory may never been forgotten! She is a piece of pride for the hole earth! And all the crew. From Admiral to Powdermonkey!
Absolutely incredible and beautiful ship.
Wow, what a beauty.
Magnifique !!! ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️💝💝💝💝💝💝
I agree to it being painted historically correct, however, I prefer the previous colour.
I second that meself too. It was fitting for the ship.
Right. It looked like a fighter, a wasp, nature's colour, now it looks like it a semi-woke paradise.
@@Netlife-001 Seeing the two together now, I much prefer the actual color. The previous yellow looked like it was compensating for something, giving a more a toy-ish appearance. Plus the more subdued yellow does a better job at selling the "ya dun goofed" message given off by the red gun ports. Yellow and black are a caution to stay away, even if the prey actually poses no threat/harm. Now it's almost more like the predators that tempt their prey into a trap, and HMS Victory is a predator.
@@airplanenut89 ok ;o) thanks for that. A nice description. As you've seen it in the flesh so to speak, I'll curb my ire and reserve judgement... although,..... no I really can't see it. Cheers.
@@Netlife-001 I've actually never been to England, but I do build models, took a couple art classes in high school, and I like to watch nature/history documentaries so this all just kind of melds into an oddly woven web of knowledge.
While the decision to change the colour to it's original one is a very symbolic gesture and it's nice to know it has been restored to it's original form, I still have to admit that the later brighter orange colour's are far more pleasing to the eye.
This is actually the last colour scheme the victory had in 1805, shes was actually launched in 1765 and went through many colour changes before Nelson ended up commanding it,
i disagree. I like the pale color, it has a very classy look to it. to each their own
imlost1
She is stunningly beautiful.
Indeed
I remember seeing that ship back around 1990 when the Navy ship I was on sailed into Portsmouth. I forgot all about it until I saw this video.
Wonderful👌
That's so cool!!!
Brilliant job .The research has done Victory proud.Its like comparing Click- Laminate to original Parquet flooring.Well done, chaps.
I've been building a scale model of a 50 gun Royal navy ship for some years that is rougly contempory with Victory. I avoided the whole issue of accurately reflecting the painted finish by using a "Dockyard model" colour scheme of black for the chainwales and gunwales and natural wood finish in between. Looks great.
WOW ! Nelson would be proud . Beautiful, magnific work.
Not so sure he would have approved of them cutting a door in the side of the ship for the gift shop !
@@simonwallace9878 Once Nelson gets a look at today's equivalent to a First-Rate Ship of the Line, I'm sure he'd understand that Victory deserves her rest, and simply be content that after all that time she's even still around.
Awesome 👊👊👊🙏
That would be an amazing job!. After a few years sun fade it'll bring the look more to like
At first I wasn't sure, But I like her true colour . She is a Beautiful Lady.
Wonderful ship
I think the 1805 color looks better than the 1920s, if I'm being honest.
When this first came out the new colours were described as 'salmon pink' which I thought was horrendous! Having seen the video and the new colour proceeding along the hull I must admit it doesn't look too bad at all and much better than the first descriptions! It was mentioned in various histories that both Nelson and Hardy, although famous were not particularly wealthy and chose the cheapest 'buff yellow' paint supplied by the dockyards instead of buying in their own supplies. I can easily imagine this new colour would have been what was available at the time. I am building a wooden model Victory at the moment, the hull is already painted in the old darker yellow scheme and its NOT getting changed now! As far as historical accuracy goes, I'm building my Victory with solid bulwarks at the bow a la the Jotika Victory model, apparently (according to their researchers) that's how she looked at Trafalgar - the open fence style at the bow was only added after her subsequent re-fit later! Its not just paint schemes that have changed over the years!
Majestic. The life on board a Man 'O War must have been something else. Hard, undoubtedly, but so it was anyways for the common folks.
Massive and impressive Ship for a once proud Maritime Nation.
She is still an impressive ship by today’s standards. Massive in size
Just a building, she no longee can sail so no longer a ship but a shaddow of one long gone.
HMS VICTORY PROUDLY BUILT AT CHATHAM DOCKYARD.
The most feared battleship of its day.
Going back to the past is all it’s about. 😊👍🏼
3:03 the dog is winking with one eye! Sending signals: Safe me from boredom!
Pretty building that was once a ship. Sealed forever in the land and top mast removed. A former ship can never sail again is no longer a ship. If you want to see an old ship of sail check out the Active service USS Constitution when they take her out to turn around. Only a few years younger and still sailing.
I have a big wooden model of her to build. I am so glad I have not had time to do it yet. I can get the colour right
I like the pink! I'm sure that was Nelson's favorite color. Probably reminded him of Lady Hamilton.
Honestly I like it much better as well, less of an assault on the eyes, and does a better job of selling the "ya dun goofed" message of the bright red gun ports. Also the yellow and black "danger colors" are a bit lame when you know some prey use that as a warning even when they don't actually pose a threat to predators. HMS Victory is a predator, you wouldn't talk about how lame a cougar's fur looks after it's mauled half your face off.
@@airplanenut89 I like that description of the gun port color. Mind you, people would crap their pants no matter what color it was if that many guns opened on them but having it look like fresh blood (at least, when it's shadowed a bit it looks that way) definitely has that "rebel yell" energy.
very nice ship . love this ;) play naval action and play the HMS Victory :)
The new colour brilliant. Surpasses the previous.
you know that person that left the model comment was really saying 'now i have to repaint all my 300 ship models that i spent all my adulthood making'
It should be as true as it was the day it was born, bravo mates. I boarded her in the blue and yellow I like this color better. Yank from across the sea. !!!!!
I think she's impressive any color you paint her.
100 guns is no small feat.
It`s a baroque-style colour-composition. Good job by the archeologists !
If it aint baroque - don't fix it.
First thought was of models. I have the build in inventory. My effort will have the “correct” colors! Thank you! TEXAS!
HMS Victory: Well as you can see in the layers of paint from my hull, I actually looked a bit different in 1805.
Critics: This looks ugly! You need to look how I want you to! ThInK oF tHe MoDeL kItS!
HMS Victory: ua-cam.com/video/f_FpYLnNhVw/v-deo.html
If this is how she looked, then this is how she looked, and she looks beautiful. Honestly I like how subdued the yellow is now, in comparison that previous bright yellow made her look more like a toy. Also works much better with the red gun ports, gives off a more prominent "ya dun goofed" when contrasted with the subdued yellow. Love from the USA.
A lot of people might criticize the UK for not preserving her battleships as museums like the US has done, but I think some of that is from WWII history. Then you hear about the HMS Victory and indeed are reminded that history has many years to be remembered.
It's a pity the masts and yards have been removed but I imagine there are very few people experienced in setting them and the correct rigging nowadays (perhaps the men crewing and maintaining the USS Constitution might have some insight into this)
I think most of us are just sad that Warspite, like Enterprise didn't make it despite their accolades. I'm also bummed that Dreadnought wasn't preserved since she made everyone else's battleships obsolete the day she was laid down. We do have the Super Dreadnought Texas but she's in dire need of funding for repairs thanks to the years of incompetent care and neglect from previous owners.
@@richardhockey8442 I have read in other comments that the masts were removed for their own restorations, and would be added on when they are done.
I always was surprised that AIRFIX never produced a model kit of the Royal yacht, maybe they did, but I have never seen one.
They Recently did this at Mt.Vernon,George Washington's Home in Virginia. For as long as it has been opened to the public it was painted White .... But as with Victory it was discovered that was not the original colour when Washington lived there .... It was actually Beige and so it's been completely repainted! .... And as with HMS Victory folks were up in Arms!
'True colours', my foot!!
I first saw the Victory age 7 in 1972 - it was amazing. Next time I visited was over a quarter of a century later - it was still amazing. The new colour is definitely pink but then the pre-Victorians were far more liberal in their views.
Think part of the color that was wrong was that it was a blending in tone that came from the fact most of the trim was covered in gold gilt that is now long gone. The old orange was not orginal but at a distance looked like the gold was still covering the trim.
One of the things that I hope you will do (rather than "will be doing") is to get rid of all the horrific victorian renovations.
If the French and Spanish were laughing at !2.05 pm, they wasn't at 4.20 pm. This is a mort different to all the pictures we can remember ever seeing, but it is fitting that such an historic icon should be as she really was. Also I haven't started my model of her yet, phew!
This guy is telling 'I don't see the pink myself', and to me that is the part of the video where it looks most pink.
To quote two historical sources at the time: Captain Duff of the Mars watching Cadiz on October 10th , "I am sorry the rain has begun tonight as it will spoil my fine work, having been employed for this week past to paint the ship a la Nelson, which most of the fleet are doing". Also to quote Midshipman Badcock of the Neptune on the day of battle, "...some of the enemy's ships were painted like ourselves (The Royal Navy fleet) - with double yellow sides...." Plus no eyewitness on either side commented on HMS Victory being distinct in this respect from the rest of the fleet.
Will the museum offer a set of correct paint colors or a color sheet scheme for the modelers ? I am French, Visited the ship when aged 12 back in 1972...
should have gone to B&Q they can match the paint, the old colour look better
Aniway,take good care of this lady.
The carpenters manifest says white and yellow 50:50 (as near as) which does not make the awful colour Baines has produced, the result would be pale yellow!! Peter Goodwin is probably the world's leading authority on Victory (the previous curator), he is of the opinion that the new colour is an atrocity (as does most of Portsmouth) Mr Baines is better known for his 'Viking fairground ride' at the Yorvik Museum in York.
How was James May not narrating this??
I haven't seen it before so I guess I don't have the same attachment, but I usually prefer to have historical things in their original states whenever possible. I'm impressed at the work put into finding the correct colors and the fact that the ship is over 315 freaking years old, and yet there are people crying because their toy ships now actually look like toy ships.
This colour scheme comprises of ‘sheep wool black’ ,lead white’ and yellow ochre. This scheme was called ‘checkering’ because when the gun ports were opened and the guns were in the ‘roll out’ position it’s gave the sides a checkering look, there for hostile ships and other allied ships recognized each other and understood ‘intent ‘ , the paint on the victory changed several times, before Trafalgar it was mostly black and varnished undersides, and at one time had a teal colouring, true to records Nelson never liked this colour scheme and was killed before his request for colour change was approved,
I like how some people complain for putting on the original paint colour. Those people are dumb, they just believe what they want to believe.
I like the colors but what did you do to the masts? They can bearly hold one sail pre mast. Too short
the masts got taken apart long before they started painting it, ships been laid up in dry dock since 1922.
They are being restored, and I'm sure the work they needed is much easier to accomplish when they are not in place.
Good skin tone right enough for figures lol
I once played a game call wooden ships and iron men
I've seen HMS Victory. Didn't manage to get aboard, although during my stay in Portsmouth I did get a tour of HMS Intrepid, or as the sailors I met back then called her "HMS Decrepit"
2 andanadas le aguanto al Santisima Trinidad, desarbolado quedo el pobre Victory y Nelson: pero peor lo pasaron la mujer e hija. Viva la reina: bajo tierra o mar i.
Would it have killed them to do some proper prep prior to painting?
Agree, but if the paint was lead then scraping any of that stuff off is a whole different headache of regulations. I would have liked a little more filler and primer myself.
@@williamroberts5716 as a painter by trade I agree it's a pain. However this is an amazing piece of history and in my opinion would be worth the time and money. They just seem to be rolling paint over dirt and loose paint. Such a shame.
I'd repaint my model rather that suffer the real ship to look any different than it should.
southern fairies
The 'evidence' that this was the original colour appears pretty thin and un-substantiated. Does it really fit with contemporary descriptions?
The evidence is physical from paint pigment analysis, not documentary. So its an exact match to what was there.
@@EternallyDisappointed an exact match to what exactly? Old paint that had faded and was time to repaint? That's like saying sampling an old flakey paint job from a Toyota with no clear coat will tell you the exact colour it came out of the factory with.
I mean.. maybe, but maybe not
@@Tom--Ace The process is more scientific than that.
Is there a fee to visit this ship?
It has to be the colour that was at Trafalgar.
Fantastic video, as i am currently in the process of building 1:94 Victory is there a chance of a break down of the actual colours used so i could get them made up? Thank you
simon moore what a stupid question.
For sure , original terms were , sheep wool black’ lead white’ and yellow ochre, they cannot replicate lead white because of the lead content obviously so it’s made with synthetics and the shade of yellow ochre has been debated several times, some say it’s pale some say it’s bright, the black is mostly a semi gloss enamel black would probably work, the British navy/ army loved semi gloss variations of black
@@colinjohnston8519 What an even stupider answer, Tosser.
It's a crime against the preservation of history that this proud ship was permanently damaged by inappropriate support while in dry dock. The hull and frames are warped such that she may never sail again. :(
Your true colores
The problem is that even though the paint has been protected under coats of later paint it would have bleached out before being repainted anyway! I really don't think this latest idea was the true colour. I do not trust so called experts, never have, never will. I think the yellow ochre looks much better and that is the colour I will use on my model.
Your right, at one time it was real and black, at one time mostly black and after Trafalgar it went to black and white, this checkering scheme, and the yellow ochre is actually probably 100% impossible to replicate because there are so many variations ‘experts’ debate on, some say it was more pale, some say it was bright, all I know for sure was Nelson put a request to darken its as he did not like it, he was killed in 1805 while his request was being looked at by the admiralty, they turned him down lmao
I like the colour because it's bold like every ship with it is saying "i'm British prepare to die!"
What other things would have nelson known?
I recall old newsreels, it was definitely a light colour almost white from distance so there we go.
MUY LINDO, pero una verdadera lastima que no tenga traduccion, no se entiende nada.
Da click en "abrir transcripción" y leelo ahi. O pasalo a Google Translate.
looks pink to me, might explain the "kiss me Hardy" line.
So many years of repainting... The layer must be thick
Looks much more like old paintings depicting ships of the line, more a pale custard than a yellow mustard.
what's the RAL number?
Do we all have to repaint the Lovely Victory in the "true" colours around the world because of those experts?
@j dman mind you that my life will not change at all because of the new colour because it will always remain a beautiful Ship in my eyes but reading the posts from many modelers that has already built the Victory and "traditionalist" like me there is some grumbling as I do rather prefer aesthetically the deeper yellow color. But of course you are right this is THE Victory 👍👍🇬🇧
Does it have a V8? How many Cubes?... Mate? Just Kidding I love it :D
The yellow looks better tho
Like Stone Henge re built 1965-7 the Victory was torn apart in 1929 and virtually rebuilt most if not all the original wood gone
none of that that is there now under decks, that saw the battle or blood sweat and tears of the crews, fighting dying on board all 'virgin' wood the masts are metal and cannons fibre glass it is just about fake as everything we are told though at least in the true colours now but that is about it
patrick robinson what on earth do you expect? You want them to magically preserve 200 year old original wood?
@@Luca-bv5ic almost 250 yo
wrong, there are substantial parts of her still 1765 vintage
What you have to appreciate is this a ship launched 255 years ago, commissioned almost 13 years later, has been used and abused in warfare and general service, converted to a hospital ship 30 years after launching, reconstructed for frontline duty a few years after that, downgraded to a second-rate, decommissioned, recommissioned as a troop ship, then a floating depot, then a prison hulk.
She's not just been rebuilt in 1929 but constantly throughout her life. There are original parts but to just assume it was the 1929 restoration is responsible is innaccurate, most of the work needed to be done cause the ship had languished for so long with decay and rot setting in.
Patrick Robinson
It is estimated that around 20% of the wood on Victory is original, Including the lower gun deck, so you are wrong. And there are three or four original guns on board.
3:02, 4:09- Doggy
so how come there are absolutely no period paintings of any ships with this new colour, i am doubtful to be honest
You do realize, that most paintings of victory were made much later and influenced by her restored look?
The paint scheme we know, the stripes of black and paille (how that ocre shade was named in many places) were rather new at the time of trafalgar.
What shockingly few people realize, is that the british navy had a long standing traditional paint scheme for more than a century before that, with the sides being (in theory) left as fresh wood with some varnish over it. But that requires constantly scraping clean and revarnishing the wood as it rapidly discolours, bleaches and darkens and becomes spotty.
They quickly figured out, that painting the ships sides with *fresh wood colour* .
You'll find plenty of her contemporaries and even herself in period images with the old paint scheme.
Since there was no strict regulation of exact paint shades, there was some variation, and captains had some leeway in deciding their ships colour as well. Thats where the whole bumblebee stripy idea came from.
But here, they did not take a general trend of the era, but actually sampled the actual paint the actual ship was painted with, so....
@@lutzderlurch7877 but you seem to have missed where i said "period" paintings, also lead paint goes off, for example white becomes a pink shade, i dont think for a minute that this is an authentic colour of the time and you wont convince me otherwise, I served in the Navy and have a huge collection of books about ships of this period I am also born and bred in Portsmouth so i have seen her since childhood. so lets shake hands and move onward as we wont be able to agree.
@@andre-dx4yw I would think the scientists analyzing the paint samples would know better than any of us two armchair warriors what original paint chips do and do not say as per hue of paint.
As per period paintings, you'd need to find one made exactly at the time she wore this livery.
And then you'd have to consider lighting, artistic license and that paintings change colour with age, as well.
I might go look for some original depictions of her, but then again, feel free to point me to periiod images clearly showing here in dark orange.
We might yet be able to agree.
@@lutzderlurch7877 no i really dont want to engage, i have my view and you yours, scientists do get things wrong thats a fact so i believe in this case. Best of luck with your research. i have done mine and reached the conclusion im sticking too.
@@andre-dx4yw well, have a fine evening then.
I agree, that scientist err at times, but I have come to trust them to err less frequently, than the laymen, generally speaking.
Hope you're having a fine evening and pleasant night.
It took around 6000 trees to build her.
how the hell they birth these ships with out damage al never know
dog wink at 3:02
Take your dog to workday. 3:02
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