HMS Victory in her True Colours
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2015
- On the eve of the 210th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar, the repainting of HMS Victory is drawing to a close and this short film captures her new look with timelapse and background interviews with the team involved and the research supporting it.
“People are a little bit resistant to change...” winner of understatement of the century.
Its a national treasure! I remember touring the ship when I was stationed at RAF ST Mawgan.......its truly something to behold! Much, much better than stone henge!!
RAF ST Mawgan is quite a way from Portsmouth. Did you go on a day trip?
I agree,Repaint your model kits and be done with it.This is how she looked and so be it!
or don't the yellow is still accurate, just not for 1805
Or just tell them to feck off... They don't own Victory, the Royal navy does xD
I gotta admit I prefer the yellow and black it looks nicer that way in my opinion
You can't repaint it once it's done. Luckily I haven't built Victory yet. That's a pretty big challenge. If I had done it already i'd do it again and sell the old one as an 1804 replica.
Victory in true colours and thankyou Lord Horatio Nelson with Trafalgar Square and remembering Birthplace, 🏛Me🏛.
HMS Victory is a 104-gun first-rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy, ordered in 1758, laid down in 1759 and launched in 1765. She is best known for her role as Lord Nelson's flagship at the Battle of Trafalgar on 21 October 1805. She additionally served as Keppel's flagship at Ushant, Howe's flagship at Cape Spartel and Jervis's flagship at Cape St Vincent. After 1824, she was relegated to the role of harbour ship. In 1922, she was moved to a dry dock at Portsmouth, England, and preserved as a museum ship. She has been the flagship of the First Sea Lord since October 2012 and is the world's oldest naval ship still in commission, with 244 years' service as of 2022.
It looks much more Georgian/Regency now, light and airy. The mustard look just came across as Victorian, heavy and industrial.
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It's not an episode of House Doctor 😂
@G-CIVF it wasn't
There's been a saying among the ranks in the world's navies for centuries: "If it moves, salute it. If it doesn't move, PAINT it!"
If it moves, salute it. If it doesn't, pick it up. If you can't pick it up, paint it.
I love the HMS Victory, is my favorite war ship.
I was there. In 2017 I don’t remember the colour, will have to look at my photos now to see
Anyway it was fantastic to actually see and walk on it
A lifetime opportunity I was 53at the time and we travelled from Western Australia 🇦🇺
A very long flight and a decent train ride to Portsmouth
Was worth every everything to see it and the warrior 😍😍👍👍🏴
Wow that was some trip to see her! I'm very fortunate to live just outside Portsmouth, so I can go to the Historic Dockyard and see Victory, Warrior and Mary Rose whenever I like. I'm glad you enjoyed your visit so much :-)
Yes I forgot about the Mary rose
That was incredible as well
The flight was 23 hours 6 to Singapore and then 17 to Heathrow
The train ride from London was a bit of a adventure as not knowing how it works there we got on the wrong train and then had to backtrack cross platforms and then get on the right train later
I did like all the shops selling all the military stuff cheers Chris
I've never been to England but am reminded of how I made a point of seeing Constitution when I was in Boston
I was there august 2017 and it was the new color.
@@davidbarnsley8486 I went out of my way to see Endeavor when I was visiting AUS a few years ago from England. We're still cut from the same cloth.
I’m painting my model of the victory in yellow & black.
I’ve lived in Portsmouth all my life and she’s always been those colours.
A painting by jmw turner in the national maritime museum painted just 17 years after trafalgar, show her in these colours.
I'm assuming all other parts will be painted to match....masts etc ? Glad the original colour has been revealed after all this time. If people have to repaint their model ships, so be it. It's more important to get the original HMS Victory in the correct colour scheme than models.
Although I loved the deep yellow she had (kinda reminded me of Bumblebee), I'd prefer it to be the accurate colors any day...
well according to the film she was bright yellow in 1802, which is even nicer. Less bee more wasp. :P
Yeah I miss the battle-bee look.
Can't quite understand why the original painters wanted it to be black and pink, but apparently it was, so that's the colour it should be.
I wonder why they haven't made the same fuss about re-covering the bottom in copper (as was done in 1780, so presumably still there 25 years later at Trafalgar).
New paint job looks terrible, looks like a fair ground ride, they stuffed it up in my opinion....
@@joannafrancis4966 you cant really stuff up restoring it to it's original, as intended look. Although I understand why you might think it looks worse.
Ser Garlan Tyrell it’s not pink though? Is a orangey beige colour, I’ve seen it in person, I think it’s some sort of optical illusion with the red gun ports making people think it’d pink.
Excellent bit of research on your part. As for me, I'm also glad I came here _before_ starting the model...
How those guys built her is amazing
Having been in the paint business for 45 years, I hope they took into account how colors age and oxidize over the years. This is especially true of linseed oil paint. If you look at the sample they came up with it is exactly how the original(former) color would have looked oxidized. Also the original color appears to
have been made from yellow ochre, an earth color that was plentiful and cheap. If it was painted the color they now think it was it would have faded to an off-white very quickly due to the amount of sun it would receive.
my thoughts too , the 'experts paid no attention whatsoever to the fact that paints of this age faded very badly , as you say yellow ochre was plentyful and cheap, and even today with modern uv protectors it still fades
The new paint is not based on the color of the sample but the chemical composition of the sample so oxidation has no effect
@@jeffwatts4264 they actually did pay attention the new paint is based on chemical composition not color
I agree David. The U.V's just bleach the hell out any paint that's not specifically made heavy exposure. Either way, what an awesome ship!
I visited the Victory as a young boy in 1947. It was painted black and white, not orange. Also, I distinctly remember the orlop deck was painted blood red. Tours around the boat were conducted by young navel ratings, serving in the RN.
It has to be right, really enjoyed this, with all the news on an interview and covid this was a breath of fresh air. I think the colours are magnificent
You think ugly pinkish beige looks magnificent? I think it looks boring.
@@iloveyoushima4953 Well, I personally much prefer that 'new' paint scheme over the bright orangy and stark black scheme.
But guess what: It is irrelevant what we think of the paint scheme, as the goal is not to appeal to -us-, but rather to truthfully show her appearance at the time of trafalgar.
Personally, my very favourite paint scheme of victory in her original one at launch, including lavish decorations, stern galleries and heavy figurehead.
The inside of the ports where red because of blood. THe outside are black. Each Admiral had his own colour scheme.
The black covers gave a checked look - called the Nelson Touch
Richard Simmons
The Nelson Chequer, as I know it.
Ive read that the gunports were not chequered black, byt left as yellow and black bands, this helped show the ship was friendly when coming into port, only when opened the gunports showed the nelson chequer and thus danger
Those Limey's sure showed the Frog's that time, eh? The Brit's have the bulldog as their mascot; the Frenchies have the poodle!
Adequately: "Though today's Bulldog looks tough, *he cannot perform the job he was originally created for* as he cannot withstand the rigors of running and being thrown by a bull, and also cannot grip with such a short muzzle."
It is a beautiful ship no matter how you look at it or see it, but its true colors is the best. And I want see what Lord Nelson sall some 240 years ago..
And after I just finished the hull and masts for the second time and half way through installing the main armement?! No way! Im in command of this one, and she'll stay puke yellow.
Is it possible to buy the shade of paint . I would like to paint my garage door.
nice work that crew, the lot did the work, as much as the chair polishers!
Good example of "restoration" as opposed to "renovation". Good job, well done!
The new colour is very much like the colour on the funnels of the early White Star Line Cunard ships, like the Titanic. A kind of peach colour.
+cliffedward Yes it´s much more aesthetic and pleasing to the eye.
cliffedward
Titanic was a White star ship, and sank before any talk of the merger.
titanic wasn't a Cunard ship and her funnels where an orange yellow colour, nothing like this at all. Cunard ships funnels where red..
I love the VICTORY 👍
“People are a little bit resistant to change” how very British! Marvelous colours, well done!
Surely there must be myriad period paintings of the ship from which one can determine the colours and also help confirm if the new paint scheme is correct?
Personally, I think I prefer this paint scheme to the darker yellow. Also you'd have to be colour blind to think it looks pink.
I would love to work on that ship /to paint it. Lived in Portsmouth for a couple of years; nice place, nice people.
I do a 1:72 cross section of the HMS Victory at the moment and try to find the right colors. Love that beautiful ship.
Thats dumb....those days where black btw
I like it. I don't think the French would have laughed when they saw those gun ports open.
Well, at least we would have laughed until that point. 😁 🇫🇷
@@Eselfar considering your navy was hot garbage during the Napoleononic era I can assure you the only people laughing where the British, at your horrendous gunnery skills.
@@harleyokeefe5193 It was far from hot garbage mate. Many british ships are designed on french captures. Many world events are dictated by French naval action.
They were strategically ruined as a fleet and scavenged by the army but they still out up enough of a fight to justify the effort of the entire british navy for twenty years.
Scrape the paint back layer by layer the go to b&q and get them to scan it, job done
Absolute the best Line Ship!!!
are they gonna build some kind of cover for her, or is she going te remain out doors, imean if they not going to complete the rigging?
In a few years when "further research by the experts" results in still another paint scheme for HMS Victory, people will complain that they do not like it and preferred the "original" paint scheme from 2015. So it goes...
What do you mean? They accurately found the original paint underneath layers of paint applied through the centuries, that leaves little to interpretation. Honestly this 'anti expert' culture is really damaging, and it surprises me to see it here of all places.
@@Reddsoldier Spot on. Of course these "anti-expert" types won't mind having heart surgery conducted by a Tesco trolley boy; after all who would want an expert to do their heart surgery right?!
I think, this was a mistake. All period paintings and the descriptions says "yellow" on her and other period warships.
Interesting archaeological work
Interesting point that actual historical fact can get dismissed by people with a popular perception of history to the contrary.
Even on a small personal project, I noticed different shades came make a huge difference. One yellow being slightly darker than another really stood out.
The newspaper commenter amuses me. I guess if they are going to take the time to repaint the real HMS Victory in the original colors, the hobbyists can repaint their scale mantel pieces to match. Salute from a US Navy vet.
Is the bottom of the Victory still covered with copper plates?
what was the color under the water rope?
So when will the restoration be finished?
Planing on visiting next summer and it would be nice to see the masts on and everything :)
It´s totally worth it, I saw her about 10 years ago and have been a total victory nut ever since.
In the 1960's I used to marvel at the skills of the shipwrights who were replacing the massive bent timbers on the starboard quarter.
I for one love that she is back to her true colours. ( I am ex R.N.)
Excellent job. Needed a bit of a 'Buff'.
Dutch pink is a name used for yellow in the 19th century. Probably a continuation of the insults to the Dutch from the time when England and the Dutch were at war. Some other insults remain today-Dutch treat being the most familiar.
Peter Vickerstaff is my dad
cheers to him
Very serious point here. When you took the slide from the microscope and displayed it on the monitor -- was the monitor color calibrated? In other words, if you had a default Asian built monitor/tv (3200k) -- it would have the EXACT effect of turning yellow into some pale cream like color.
They used the sample for chemical composition not color
I think they know 1000x better what they are doing then you could ever dream of, fcking luni.
An interesting informationen about HMS Victory's colours... but it makes me very angry and sad to see her masts cut down!
It's just part of the restoration process. I agree though, she looks like half a ship without them.
The Victory would still be magnificent ship even with polka dots. It almost has a soul.
When are the masts and rigging due to be put back?
Crick Smith, I know them. The dog at 3:01 is Bob. He always hated white lab coats.
Hello. And on HMS Victory works on restoration of a mast and rigging will take place?
Question
Why not the Trafalgar checkerboard?
I don't mind the colour, what concerns me is the use of a roller. Rollers are great for painting drywall (gyprock plaster) but they do leave a pattern. Did the sailors of 1805 use a roller or a brush? Sure a roller is faster but a brush has its own pattern or sheen. I would hate to see the exterior of HMS Victory look like the interior of my house. Sorry if I am being too picky? Any experienced ship painters have a comment?
Just a thought, lighter colours such as used for gunports would have faded in sunlight, so there would have been a difference in the paint samples that might not actualy reflect how it looked when it was painted?
There is a research paper showing how they looked at the chemical composition of the samples and took UV fading into account.
In its day, it was a Death Star. The ultimate in projected power.
Was this scheme 'standard' for Ships of the Line?
Ships of the line didn’t have a standard colour, although certain nations did like to paint theirs specifically like the Russians liked green stripes and the Spanish red, however the British used red and yellow and so did the French
Now, just imagine if Admiral Lord Nelson had taken his WIFE to pick out a "colour!" The whole fleet would have been beached while The Missus compared paint chips! I can just hear His Lordship: "Get On with It Already!"
Nelson would have taken his mistress Emma to choose paint colors.
Forgive the ignorance of this question, but is this colour scheme an early 19th-century aesthetic choice, or was there some tactical advantage in this layout . . . e.g., some variant of dazzle camouflage?
Paint to protect the wood from the elements and also make the wooden ships look not like a rotting gardening shed. These ships were as much about representatation and display of power, as they were about genuine combat.
Personally, I'd have preferred her looks from before her great repair in 1800, when she still wore her original 1760s colour scheme, blue and reds, painted trophies, carved figureheads and balconies at the stern..
This current colour scheme is very much the 'clean, clear and restrained" fashionable style coming about at the turn of the century.
As-built, in the 1760s and 70s, she'd have been utterly stunning. you might want to google HMS Victory painted by Swaine, to see her former livery.
My airfix model from my youth gave the colour as buff
I first paid a visit at 23, then again at 60, now 70 i hope to get on board this great historic ship again, I sincerely hope she is not attacked by the woke brigade as they seem to want to rewrite our history or destroy it altogether.
The people of Portsmouth and indeed from across the rest of the country wouldn’t allow that. We are fiercely defensive of our naval history and take great pride in its standing in the city. Plus it’s safely within the confines of the historic dockyard which is still guarded I believe.
It looks *pink* to me !
Your brain is probably mixing the light colour of the stripes and the red cannon ports.
The true star is the dog starring at the camera at 3:03. I wonder if he (or she) took a bite out of the camera person. That seems to be what the dog has in mind.
Much better and more believable than the bumblebee yellow.
Portsmouth ❤️❤️❤️❤️
when was the ship build and who built it
+Lewis Adderley 1759, launched in 1765, built in Chatham
She was actually an aging ship at the time of her greatest moment. The hull was built then decked over for a number of years because the Royal Navy had no immediate use for her. It's theorized that her longevity is in part due to length of time that her timbers 'seasoned" before she was fully fitted out with masts and commissioned.
She was built in Chatham in 1759 commissioned in 1765 and she was designed by sir Thomas Slade
She is as she looked as Britain began to rule the waves, but your critics want you to waive the rules. Well done I say.
The linseed oil paint is only expected to last 2 years?
@JAG I paint with linseed oil paint and regardless of the color, linseed paint will last for decades. I think the person in the video is misinformed.
@JAG I use Allback linseed oil paint for restoring windows.
The reason you can still see the Mona Lisa 500 yrs after it was painted? Linseed oil.
@@scobra5941 makes sense
Who, originally, chose the colors and why!
'HMS Victory Time Line'.
Fails to mention: But thanks to Wiki:
'In 1922, she was moved to a dry dock at Portsmouth, England,'
How much damage was done on WW2?
The Captain chooses the colours. So Nelson. Argue with him.
Hey when I built the Airfix model I used tan instead of yellow! I GOT IT RIGHT!
I just wasn't near a hobby shop that sold the right paint!
would the hole fleet been painted in the same colors?
*have been
@@scobra5941 *whole
Rule Brittania
Fudge britania and their scumbag country and their scumbag queen
+Mushtash Monthly hahahaha - do you know who your was?
Rule Britannia!
Rule Britannia.
@@izodiak7 - nasty case of an inferiority complex you've got there, sunshine ;)
wow... :) 4.12
Pink stripes?
I believe in the 1800's reddish pale pink color was considered a male color as it was a warm color. So they wouldn't have had any reason against using this color on a ship.
More derived from Christian symbolism. White for virtue, red for courage => manly. The color for women was light blue as blue was the color of Mary and white again for virtue.
Not sure if the red may have been a color of a saint as well, more broadly it could refer to Christ's blood but I don't know.
it is pink! What if all those samples were weathered and bleached out making the new thoroughly researched colour actually too pink. personally I can't believe its correct.
You do realise the current trend of pink being a girly feminine colour is a rather recent one right? It's highly likely pink was thought of as regal in Nelson's day.
@@prototypep4... fair enough... but is it "highly likely"? Having decorated houses for 12 years I can say that a bright red will be a pink in 10 years of sunshine and when painted over the pink is sealed in the layers. And that's modern paint. Hence my consternation.
They called that colour buff, didn’t they
And ladies and gents, it's pink!
I've always felt the tacky orange was wrong.
So, when I saw it in the year 2000 it was flying false colours?
Nelson would be shamed!
Pink is a great long-distance camouflage colour.👍
Looks like white man skin colour. I like it!
sorry i dont agree that is the true colour, they have just taken the paint samples and matched them 'as is' 200 years of fading in salt air, rain and strong sunlight would have made it this colour , the original is the yellow ochre which most people have always used , as someone who has sprayed cars for 30 years i know a bit about paint fading ,which happens to modern paints which have 'uv' protection in them , let alone the basic compounds and pigments which were available in the18th and 19th cenuries
How do you know what the “real” colors were? Were you actually alive back then to see it for yourself. Artists’ renderings of the time are all we have. Any thing else is subjective.
@@vstar7196 well it dosn't really matter what i think the colour is ,because they've already painted it pink and theyre very unlikely to change it back just because i dont agree with it
a hard pill to swallow
Not crazy about the new color.
It’ll take some getting used to.
It was clearly originally blue and white
as the old proverb, oyster stay at it orginal bays
So there were absolutely no artist representations of the most famous ship of the day that reflected the new colours? Or was it simply that the paint job had a colour shift because the curators didn't pay attention. And why did the lads not use spray guns to paint the ship?
Too much masking required, would have upped the budget.
Is that Austin Powers!!!!!
Not a bit convinced by the new colour, though I was never 100% on the previous one either.
'I don't see the pink people talk about.' - right there you can see the prejudice, because everybody else can! The main fault in the new colour analysis is that they are matching to samples _that are 200 years plus old_ with no research whatsoever into how those samples would have changed colour over the centuries. A major failing. Old paint loses saturation (colour intensity), can change hue dramatically, and linseed oil darkens.
Also, they are contradicting several first-hand witnesses who speak of 'dull yellow' and 'sad yellow' - there was never any report of any pink cast at all.
And here's a spanner in the works for you; historically the word 'pink' was used to describe a transparent (lake) yellow!
soo what are the true colors if not yellow ochre may I ask
Ronald Labiche I'm guessing the colour it was at the end of the video genius..
It's a weird, counter-scientific attitude among modelers (or rather: one modeller, who assumes others think likewise) here: we'd rather ignore something we learned than realize we have been wrong.
You still have a model showing HMS Victory the way she looked a substantial time of her life.
I suspect that it was said with tongue planted firmly in cheek. If there's one thing scale modelers love it's authenticity!
7:58 I wonder if 200 years ago it would of had a fucking door cut into the side of the hull. or a gift shop was you can buy a little teddy bear. Wonder if that was standard military requirement
That's the original entry port which opens onto the main deck, it's always been there. There is also another doorway cut into the hull on the orlop deck below the waterline - that isn't original of course. No, no gift shop back in the day.
Wouldn't it be fantastic to see HMS Victory take to sea. Would no doubt take millions of pounds to make her seaworthy but there are no doubt many people who would pay good money to sail on the most famous warship in the world. Just a thought.
And where do you get the 700+ men to man her?There arent enough spare sailors,and thats one reason The Field Gun was stopped.
@@bigmull Specially trained professional crew who did nothing else. It's not rocket science.
Original is the go
I'm surprised you were allowed to use leaded paint and not have to find a non-toxic colour match.
I mean it's likely Victory will remain in permanent dry dock so no real issue with the paint
I don't think anyone's going to be licking the outside of the ship in dry dock.
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As a very picky ship modeler; i do appreciate the correct color scheme.im building this ship as we speak...so its important to me.
For years,ive painted constitution s uper deck bulwarks the WRONG color...pissed me off.ya gotta do you hm work to make a scale model...or why do it at all???
real color is ossid Yellow and matt black .
Ah yes, now all the arm chair "experts" join in, commenting on that which they know little about
put the rest of the masts back...thats what you told us you would do after there refurbishment...if its too much added weight you can always make lighter copys , .obviously the sales cannot be unfurled...
It actually pisses me off how they took the sales away
Calico Jack where do you want it to sail to?
Colin Johnston I don't care it's just not a ship with out saiks all the navy ships niw are fucking horrible I wish they stayed with the old ships
They rot mate. Never last.
The professional term is when will it be rigged again
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Granted, it will be a massive undertaking, but would be possible for her to be fully rigged once a year, prior to Trafalgar Day ...?
I believe the reason those gunports are painted red is because ship interiors were usually painted red to make blood less visible as to not lower the crew's morale
simple reason: it makes it very obvious when the gunports are open, and clearly shows you're ready for action. So basically a visual cue to intimidate.
1. Painting on a ship doesn't begin or end, it just is.
2. I doubt Nelson, given his sea sickness, ever paid much attention to the color(s) of Victory
There are documents showing he in fact did. He specifically ordered the chequer pattern.
He would care as much about the paint as any other detail of his ship.
You make a mistake in logic, his seasickness would have nothing to do with the standards of the day.
@@BeKindToBirds His staff? Certainly. Nelson personally? Doubtful.
@@danielburgess7785 You are quite mistaken as it is verified historical fact that nelson himself directed the painting of his ships in the chequer pattern. That is why it is called the nelson chequer.
You can search those words and learn more about it yourself if you like.