Pro Wrestlers on Negotiating WWE Contracts with Vince McMahon
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- Опубліковано 5 кві 2020
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I can't believe how civilized Sabu is.... he was an animal in ECW... and I say this in an awesome way.
He looks like one of my late Uncles who drove motorcycles...SABU WAS LEGIT.
He's not always so civilized.
He threw a lawn chair at me when I was 11
I met sabu a few times . dude was nice af. Shook my hand we chopped it up and smoked a joint. Small house in WI.
Smoked a joint with him after a show he worked for us lol
Good good dude
$250,000 in 1995 was ALOT of money. Vince wanted Sabu BAD... I cannot believe he declined that for ECW...
I admire his loyalty, sad that Heyman apparently screwed him over
Even if Saba was asked to dress as Doink the clown he should have taken the job.
Id have to hear Vince McMahon say he offered him that kind of money to believe it.
He’s an idiot. That’s indeed a lot of money and for what? You got to take care of you ultimately. F the fans.
Loyal asf
George Smith - Beginning until 1:21
Sabu - 1:22
Jesse Ventura - 4:23
Buff Bagwell - 9:00
nZo - 11:21
Buddy Landel - 14:02
Road Warrior Animal - 15:28
Raven - 19:00
Black Bart - 24:15
#GoodStuff, thank you for posting...
How did you do that?
@@poorchristopher15 Pretend like you're telling time, but without writing am or pm; but simply 12:14... ... ... PM, lol...I was bored and lazy (not wanting to watch the entire video every time to revisit what each superstar had to say), but also interested in what different wrestlers had to share...
@@outcast668 heroes, capes..... you know, you know the thing.
.. George South
Always love hearing jessie Ventura tell stories.
It's his voice.
He's a true legend
I can't hear him without hearing Anthony Cumia's "I was a Navy SEAL and a governor"
After seeing this, I respect Sabu even more. What an attitude.
He actually said in another interview he regrets it paul Heyman told them they would make millions and merchandise when ecw blew up big never happened always take guarantee in life
soren-- you isn't in, self-- en= plural-- Satanist. And you is, in Sweten!
@Metropcs Metropcs he didnt feel he would be happy with less freedom. He came in later though which opened peoples eyes who didnt know much about ECW.
Considering how insane Sheik was he probably would've beat the shit out of him. Sheik was one of those old school guys you didn't cross.
@Metropcs Metropcs I know that, that's why I said he would beat Sabu's ass instead of outright killing him.
What Raven said was an absolute mic drop. He was spot on.
Except it was number 1 ninja. I watched it as a kid, Warrior diapered that number 1
Let me tell you something about Vince...
When Vince came to Melbourne , Australia in 2002 to promote the Global Warning Tour, he did a quick press conference. About 20 of us mega fans waited outside the building for a chance to meet and greet Vince. When he walked out, he could have simply entered his limo. But no...
Vince shook everyone's hand and took photos. He was in NO HURRY to leave.
As I shook his hand, said: "thanks for entertaining us for so long". Vince said: "and thank you sir for your ongoing support".
Vince is a true gentleman! 100% respect !!!!
All you did was shake his hand for like 5 seconds. Big deal.
I quit UA-cam exactly
These billionaire guys like Vince will make an effort to dish out token gestures like this because they understand how easily impressed most people are and they just want a bit of recognition.
Ooohhh he shook and knows my name. So what? Big deal.
When it comes to shit that counts i.e contract time, he’ll fuck you over and make you squirm. He’s an ego maniac and probably a psychopath.
@@robertstraw9881 What else are you expecting him to do? Make you breakfast? Get out of here.
Disregard the negative Nancies, that was a nice anecdote. Thanks for sharing.
Imagine Sabu as The Sultan.. feuding with Taker and Mankind. That would have been interesting.
Sabu could have worked for four years and then left
That could have been good
@@kaytrout3836 Out of all the dumb gimmicks The Sultan would have actually fit Sabu well, with the mask and not talking, bringing his hardcore style. It would have worked.
no go
Dominic Omegon I thought the same when I heard it. With his hardcore style he would have gotten a couple years out of it, maybe a ic run
I burned one with Sabu at a independent show.. very nice, down to earth guy!
Dirty crackhead
Bro that’s sick as fuuuuuuuck
Idk who Id wanna smoke with more than Sabu tbh
People I wanna smoke with...
Sabu
RVD
Riddle
New Jack
Hmmmmm who else?
@@devins8
Lmao New Jack? Nah bruh he'd prolly snap in the middle of the sess. 😂😂
Hacksaw Jim duggan
@@devins8 I think New Jack was more into coke and pills lol.
"Why did you stay with ECW?"
SABU: "BLOW"
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Metropcs Metropcs Eh since he said he regrets not going i agree but if he stood by it you could not claim stupidity.
Adam Smith that was quite the dumb comment. Just because you feel bad about something dumb you’ve done in your past doesn’t automatically change it to no longer being dumb. If you regret your comment it doesn’t change how idiotic it was.
What a terrible career move for Sabu lol.
He liked weed not blow
How sabu explain how vince warned him about ECW`S future means how damn good vince was back in the day.
LOPS666Orange if a company only lasts 4 years then yes at any point it “could be gone tomorrow” stop trying to find things to argue about you aren’t right
@The618Crew right
It must feel good to know when you have Ace In your sleeve against Vince McMahon knowing that you control which way it's going to go!
Vince is infamous for always having Ace up his sleeve and controlling the narrative and where he wants it to go!
Respect to Jesse Ventura
Ask bret
Jess Ventura is so awesome. Honestly I haven't seen much of him wrestling but I remember my dad liked him. Don't care how he is as a wrestler, but as a man he's of the highest integrity and honor
How many lines did you do before this interview?
Buff - "All of it"
Ask Sean Oliver, he could tell ya about little old Marcus!
Jesses a legend. Wrestler, movie star, governor...what a man. 2 of Arnie’s best films, Running Man, Predator ✌🏾
And a Mongol Motorcycle Club member
Arnold was in nothing but hits in those days but I disagree that those two are his best. I think total recall and Terminator 2 are his best. But yeah that's not putting down those two films as they were great, as were commando, Conan the barbarian, true lies, the original Terminator etc etc. He's had such a career in movies and I don't think anybody will ever have a streak like that again. By the late 90s though it got....bad.
And the best commentator
sleazyfellow Let's not forget one of my personal favorites: Last action hero
And a Navy Seal.
I can listen to Jesse Ventura talk all day.
Same
Jesse, so smart, so real.
24:17 Bart should have went the first time to wwf. They had a storyline for Bart and a goooood one
Buff thinks it’s still 1997. He’s been deluded about his actual contributions to wrestling for over 2 decades. Was a midcarder that had 3 good years, but will tell you he was as big as Hogan if you let him.
Agree. For us who actually witnessed him and saw his fights, we know he was no bigger than the likes of Disco Inferno. Heck, even Disco Inferno had more nostalgic value. That dance and stupid, smug look is notorious.
It is 1997 bro.
To me it'll always be 1996!!!
@@thegamersguild9953 The face that you mention Disco Inferno let me know you are a hardcore 90's WWF/WCW fan.
Marcus Bagwell
Jesse is right - they need to unionize like the NFLPA, MLBPA, etc.
mae2759 PA ?! Lol
@@misterunperfect4438 "Player's Association". It's their union in all the major sports leagues.
@Randall Glatt At the very least they should be classified as employees so they don't have to pay double taxes like independent contractors do and can also get 401k etc.
This would end up being detrimental in all likelihood. Wwe and AEW could roll with it but all the other smaller companies and independents would tank because wrestlers would have to be in those unions and the small entities can’t afford that. And would guarantee basically two options to work period. Nice in theory but unrealistic.
@@Matt-cr4vvbut there’s small indie movies that are non unionized still around today
had no idea that The Goon was Wild Bill Irwin. Used to love watching him wrestle in WCCW
It almost was Jericho...whoa..
The true genius is Jesse Ventura. He understood the concept of how unions, pensions, benefits, royalties, and how it will be to their advantage once their careers slowly decreased. The rest were just looking at the glory and making 6 figures. But when it ends, then what do you have? Hardly anything unless your were able to save your money.
Jessie actually played Vince and I’m surprised Vince can sleep at night knowing someone got the better of him
He's talking about Vince Sr. unless he says Junior.
Cody Dymco ohhhh
That just says Vince is intelligent enough to know dont’t poke the bear except when it’s pretend!
Vince made all that money back, Vince is fine.
So whenever Jessie gets interviewed, do the hosts always provide him a rocking chair?
It's a self-comfort reaction. Something in his story is either embellished, fabricated, or left out. His embracing himself and constant rocking help ease the internal discomfort of lying.
no he has always had a tick ever since his younger days
@@grayken9512 bruh I read your comment in Jesse's voice lmao
You notice how he’s always in some type of legal battle with someone
Lol, he rocks when he’s relaxed and talking about happy things, you’ll notice he stops as soon as the conversation turns serious. Most people are opposite, moving more when they are serious. Jesse has been through SEAL training
We don't hire talent. We create talent. Great line.
Why didn’t Vince set up deals like 90% of your salary based on your merchandising, cause that’s the fans money not Vince’s money, then 10% of ticket sales.
Great line for a company that cares more about money than wrestling or the employees, or even the fans.
Starting to really show these days.
At this rate, Vonce will still be alive to watch his empire crumble.
It's never been a creative ideal, it's been a talent relations and negotiations ideal. They get to hold it over your head and short change you, and when you try to stand up for yourself, they come back with "you were nothing before we made you"
That's why wrestlers like Jon Moxley, CM Punk, Taz, and even Corey, etc. could walk away and shoot on WWE, because they already had a name, and couldnt be made to feel like they owed something to WWE.
Because they want to own the rights
@John Doe they created stone cold, the Rock, the undertaker, hulk Hogan, razor Ramon, Shawn Micheals dude are u drunk
@John Doe every wrestler you named got big because of the WWE . nobody knew who they were before the WWE lol. So I'm guessing Kane got big in WCW 2 or the undertaker or stone cold Steve Austin lol. Stone cold looked like a gay porn Star in WCW tell WWE fixed up and gave him a gimmick
i honestly wish the Jesse Ventura unionization worked
Ahhh the great unionization of Minotanka. The unionization of Bajasota.
That picture of Young Rikishi is haunting me
That's was when he had that godawful "Sultan" gimmick
Animal is a saint for dealing with Hawk for all those yrs. Hawk seems like he could be a miserable prick on a consistent basis
Buff Bagwells mom called Buffs work to call in sick for him so he was able to do this!!!
I love how Animal is halfway through a sandwich lmao
It's a piece of pizza bud, check the stand on his left...margherita I believe
This video popped in my recommendations at a very convenient time lol.
I love wrestling. Means so much to me ever since a kid.
Same I was watching it before I even knew it. It's in my blood I'm even from Cameron,NC i have personally spent time with the hardy's and ricky morton.
I feel like Buddy Landel did not get Shane Helms' reference, lmao!!!!
Relationships are sometimes bigger than 💰.
Knowing someone's name can seal the deal. The territories messed over their talent especially the 💰
The bizness is just that...a bizness
I love how Ventura always shakes around; i know the real cause... But for me it looks like he's just pumped to tell a story hehe.
😄😂😄😂👍
He always rocks back n forth. Kind of a tick he has. But I love to hear his stories, the dude is an absolute legend. In ring was too short. He should of been Hogans nemesis. He was for a spell, a very good one too!
Gustavo Miani, so what’s the “real cause” of his shaking around?
@@MSH786 going to ask the same thing.
Its a native American shamans rock like monks..he's on frequency
There should be a movie on jesse ventura
There already is.
Bag well and those dumb hats of his. He’s always looked ridiculous wearing those.
Bull Buchanan bb and bb.
Uncle Sweets He was over
bro sabu was the man i live in philly this man was a incredible show words cant describe the show sabu put on
Sabu didn't sell out. He stayed with ECW
Even he admits he should have.
Here we go with the sell out bullshit, as if you wouldnt work for someone who offered you a lot more money. Its a business not a sport.
1:28 Sabu Gronkowski
Sees TITLE..Thinks.."OH THIS GONNA BE GOOD"
Jesse Ventura is a smart man this is why he became governor of minisota animal eating pizza whilst doing a payed interview love it miss this dude already rip to the fallen legends of wrestling 💯♥️
Totally enjoy watching these shoots. I gotta say, This is the first time I’ve heard Enzo aka NZO speak out of character and I’m shocked lol! Dude seems really chill and intelligent as well. I was never an Enzo fan, hell I was happy when Big Cass turned heel and went solo. But I will say Enzo’s heel run as the Cruiserweight champion was hilarious and entertaining as hell. Always loved how he sold when getting beat up…that blank stare and looking limp and ragged on the mat lol!!! Also, his feud with Rusev was good. That skit with him and Lana in the Hotel was good…. Still can’t believe he got Liv Morgan though🥴😂😂
Don’t believe a word Enzo says
I can’t imagine Sabu being anybody but Sabu lol I don’t think he knows how popular he was compared too the Saultan
Agree, but that doesn't mean he's financially set. He said that he regrets staying with Heyman, and giving up the 250k a year, because Paul ended up screwing him over. He has to keep working, when he could've been retired if he went with Vince.
Unfortunately, he was loyal to the wrong person.
"We don't hire talent we create talent" that's what's wrong with wwe
Yeah the most recent victim of that is Shinsuke, such good gimmick and talent just botched to hell
It's a lie tho because they've failed to create stars and have a long history of stealing talent from other promotions.
@@KingKaper he needs to not sign a new contract no matter how much it pays and go back to New Japan!
Because they then have the rights to that character and own it, why the rock ended up buying his name out at some point because he knew it was his and it was him
@@dnakatomiuk It’s not just the rights. Sometimes they make the wrestler change their whole gimmick. Jon Moxley was a deranged and violent person. Dean Ambrose was a wacky character.
Buddy Landel was a great heel. Loved him in Mid-south Wrestling. Mid South was one of my favorite wrestling promotions
THAT'S who Mac in "Always Sunny" always reminded me of: Buff Bagwell
Halarious
lol definitely
Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.” Loved his emo ass routines, then you learn when he takes Canyon to meet his parents and home and he's all RICH and SHIT! LOL! CLASSIC.
Bro Raven actually went to school to be lawyer and passed the bar bt gave it up for wrestling now that’s classic
@@GhillieSuitGang I had to look this up because if true it would make him about one of the dumbest people alive, but it's not true. He wanted to be a lawyer but only got as far as getting a crimnal justice degree, which can be a first step but it is not at all the same as a law degree and he never passed or even took the bar because he never went to law school.
A E thank you for clarifying that, now I know the facts Bt hey he’s not stupid and he’s smart enuff to get a degree, how and why he chose wrestling is a mystery
@@GhillieSuitGang because he made more money in wrestling than he would have in the criminal justice system.
Skinner was awesome! He was the first wrestler I met as a kid.
I could listen to Jessie V talk all day.
Jesse is a damn legend!
The best ringside announcer IMO. Never forget his catch phase "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always, always cheat."
Yes..yes he is
Fuck him. He sued Chris Kyle
Stan Halen that’s what happens when you spread lies in your autobiography. It’s called DEFAMATION
Roughgooch wrestling isn’t real
If wrestling went unionized things would be different
Sabu is a REAL ASS MAN! Damn!
Buddy Landell was one Kool cat! 👍
14:27 Love Shane's cameo. 😂
Bagwell looking like he's coked out of his mind..lol
Was it because of the white powdery substance around his right nostril lol?
Its the pills
Raven: "Ya know..."
Taking lessons from Steiner, are we?
Jesse Ventura sounds like a very clever man
Sounds is very different than being
Wow sabu gave up quarter of a mil back then in the mid 90's!? Thats nuts.
He lies, that figure is way too high for a new guy for that time.
@@idkbro8470 dude said he regrets that decision 😂😂
Cocaine is a hellavu drug
Not so sure how guaranteed that $ really was back then.
malcorub Sabus name hold weight in at any stage
In Predator, Jesse's arms were bigger than Arnold's.
That’s not true.
Arnold had more testosterone in one finger than most of them, then Sonny Landham was the true testosterone beast!
Rui Luz what’s the deal with that guy?
In the commentary Jesse explains the measurements of the biceps.....but more amusing are...the spitting tobacco story!...and Arnold’s love of cigars!
Highly doubt it
Buff "I can't live on 175 k and pay my bills" ......does anyone feel sorry for this guy 😂😂😂
Don't forget the wcw money he had.
@@chrisfellows650 yeah and see what happens to wcw ran outta business
Well once he had over 1million per year
Now he is getting paid for sex/being a gigolo. How far he has come.. lol From buff the stuff to "stuff" in the buff! Lol
keep in mind, he would not get 175 k after taxes, not to mention having to pay for hotels and car rentals. thats a hell of a paycut considering what he was making in wcw
1:43 i swear thats the arab triple h.
he does look like him. calling him an arab is as bad as animal saying "oriental"
Why is it bad to say Arab or oriental? Where I'm from those are perfectly valid descriptors, there's no malicious connotations to them.
An therein lies ur answer
Could you be more vague?
Christian Monroe hahahahahaha right
Nature Boy, Buddy Landell. The most underrated talent ever.
Vince: here's a bag of cocaine n your contract. Congrats!! Sabu🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sabu was a beast
That is wild Jessie. I sat next to Mr Upshaw on a flight as well and he was speaking about Unions. That is wild.
No budy & I mean no budy pulled off as good of a guaranteed contract as hunter Hurst helmsley!
Him jumping ship from beautiful Chyna to stuck up snobby brat stephanie was his greatest accomplishment ever lol
Nzo is so talented and if he wanted to go to AEW he would be a superstar there. When Cass gets back on track from drug addiction i believe they will be in AEW
I really didn't like that angle the wwf did with hawk when he was having trouble with alcohol.
what incident occured with Hawk at Wembley Stadium, i think Animal said in 92? I was only familiar with the Road Warriors while they were in the NWA.
Yeah I feel the same.
Enzo said he makes music? No you make rap, a nursery rhyme with cuss words.
Respect to Sabu
250k for sabu in 1995 Wow that's got to be like 500k in 2020 money.
Gotta love Jessie
"I've been governor, a Navy seal, a fighter."
Northy massively underrated show, might have to go back and watch it soon, see how well it’s aged
I wish he’d run for president.
I like listening to Raven speak, about to go on a binge after this!
Reminds me of mr perfect when he speaks
I love listening to "the body"
Like Jesse.....I grew up in Minnesota and watched the AWA. However...WWF was far better production values! More glitz. More cartoony perhaps....but it was....sexier...different styles.....better! And mostly previous AWA wrestlers anyway! Jesse was a great performer....and a fine governor! Bobby Henan was great too! Both delivered the BEST heel commentary on matches......EVER!
Had a hotel room next to him in Toledo years ago. Had pizza and smoked with him. He had a little Pomeranian ankle biter with him, but he's an awesome guy
WHO
The reason they wanted to create a new gimmick for Sabu is because the WWE wants to own the intellectual property, it's all trademarking.
Jessie The Body Ventura should of been called Jessie The Genius Ventura because the guy always had a plan. I remember Jessie in the Running Man.
Sabu should be in the WWE Hall of Fame.
Francisco Gomez hopefully all the ECW legends get in someday. Him, RVD, Dreamer, Sandman, Shane, Tazz, all of them. The only one I think will never get in is New Jack for obvious reasons. That whole run for ECW was legendary. Some of those guys may not have been the best workers you’ve ever seen but the characters were larger than life.
@Alan Smithee his uncle is the original sheik
Sabu has said..He does not want in the HOF..Called it fake..I will try and find the interview
Victor Skywalker they dont care if the do it its because the money the wwe hof is a joke snoop dog is in it before them so yeah
Sabu in 2021 Future Hall of Fame
Count how many times Raven says "you know" during his interview.
"I make music"
Yeah, idk about that enzo.
Can you imagine an Rey Mysterio & Sabu beef on wwe
UFC got their business Model of how to run their talent MONEY WISE like Vince!
Sabu stayed for the drugs. He knew he couldn't do drugs in Wwe
Hes allowed that right? WWE is hypocritical Prichard and Vince smoke weed, yet fine everyone else for smoking.
@@DawesProductions true i argree
@@joseloco2348 glad we could amicably debate
Show me 1 place it has been reported that vince smokes week! Orginal poster is wrong too, at the time sabu was offered a deal, drugs where all over the place backstage and there was no wellness policy back then. Ask HBK etc
@@harnett2002 jericho said on his podcast that Vince attended a Bruce Springsteen concert with trump in an exclusive box seat years ago and Vince straight up pulled out a blunt and trump told him he couldn't smoke it, but Vince responded that "he just did" and this podcast was around 2018 when Jericho was still on terms. Dont @ me
sabu is a legend
I want to have Jesse Ventura's voice
I popped for Jesse Venturas story. He did a 4000IQ move and vince couldnt do anything about it, amazing!
Fluffy Blayz lotta moves he’s made in his life have been that way
He could fire him. Not like there was any competition yet. Jesse comes off as a snob here who thinks he got something he didn't.
@@AnthonyClauser you have a point and i do see that. But if I was given the description of vince back then. Taking all the territory and whatnot, then pulling a move like that on him knowing he cant do anything about it, sure he could fire him, but he had movies planned, i think even i would be a bit snobby there, because then I would be one of the few that can say "I made Vince listen to ME, and not him"
@@fluffyblayz9938 I mean, as Jesse said, Vince is all business. He didn't have an ace up his sleeve - not from Vince's perspective anyways. What he had was a backup plan if Vince told him to hit the road. Like I said, it's not like Vince had to worry about him running off to WCW.
I also question how much NBC cared he wasn't around. I mean I wouldn't go so far as to say he is lying, but I don't take it at face value either.
And... If Vince has half a second from firing him (which I believe under the circumstances), why would he be so concerned with re-signing him? Again, it's possible, he fired and pretty quickly rehired Shawn, but it again doesn't pass the smell test.
But this is wrestling. Interviews almost always include lies. It's the nature of the business.
@@AnthonyClauser I believe his story about the NBC show. If I remember correctly it was either superstars or main event anyways Jesse was basically the face of that show along with Bobby Heenan so losing Jesse would be like the show Empire losing Terrence Howard their main star, ratings for the show could potentially drop because his appearance was integral to the shows success. So with Jesse being basically the star of the show NBC bought the rights to air on their Network he just co starred in a big blockbuster alongside Arnold Schwarzenegger and slated to star in another movie with Arnie later that year I'm sure Vince felt pressured to appease the network for fear that they'd pull out of their TV deal so he HAD to work a deal out with Jesse
How can Hogan snitch like that 🙄
THis is interesting in light of all the recent releases...
Why do you think they made this lol?
Wow i had no idea Fatu's brief Sultan gimmick was meant for Sabu. It actually makes sense considering Sabu had a similar mask in ECW and the whole middle eastern gimmick.
Vince is a businessman. You make the money and he makes you famous. It's up to the wrestler to take care of his future. Simple as that.
Lol obviously it isn't as simple as that.
@@juliusc.8 stay away from drugs and you'll be alright
Exactly, people are just too stupid to see it’s not on vince go get you over it’s on the wrestler
They are marks who believe the dirt sheets egocentric excuse-making angry wrestlers that blame him constantly and think everyone should be a top guy 😂
I'm sure you meant it's up to the wrestlers to do what he says.
@@Nestle245 nope. He provides you a role in the company. He pays a pile of money that you wouldn't earn in a lifetime.You are responsible with that money for yourself. You blow your money away. You're fault.
1:45 Great story by Sabu. He spoke to Paul E. about the move, and Paul E was right. Paul E. had the same conversation with New Jack about going to WCW. If he sold out to Vince, he would've sold out the Sabu character for a shitty "sultan" character, which would've been dead within a year. Vince tried to take Paul E's guys and buyout his competition. At least he would've had a year of big checks, but he'd have no legacy
True but I think hes ruining his legacy by continuing to wrestle
Great clip
Buddy Landel doesn't get enough credit, he was a great cocky heel, He should return to NWA as a Manager
Buff would have to sell his house if he was only making $175,000? What the fuck.
When you are making 1 milly in WCW that's alot of bills to pay lol
"Sugar" Shane Helms with the catchphrase cameo!
Arete Development shame what they did to his character, turned him into a comic book superhero
As an Oregonian I can confirm what Raven said about Rip Oliver in Portland Professional Wrestling as well as Don Owens. Was so sad when Owens went out of business after Tom Peterson stopped sponsoring them when his chain of stores went bankrupt.
I’ll say Pro Wrestling maybe “fake” but the pain these guys feel for the rest of their lives is REAL!