This is a great video. We are also using the Wing, but the streaming audio thru a bus and a main. The result is pretty much the same it seems (although someone using only the App Wing Q can manage the sound for the streaming without having access to the FOH mix, and that can be safer sometimes...)
Awesome video! I've been a fan of the x32 for a while now and I still love it today! Setting up a live stream post fader bus mix is easy on that board. However, on the Wing, things can get a bit tricky lol. I currently also help out a church on Sundays specifically with their live stream mix and they have a Wing. The wing is awesome with all of the onboard effects for individual channels. My only issue I have with it is the effects! The x32 makes it so easy to deal with effects because there are dedicated returns on the board which helps smooth in your reverbs, delays etc. Can you show us how you use effects with your live stream mix? Perhaps you may have a video already on this subject. Thanks!
We don't really have any dedicated FX for our Stream! You would create your own bus to dedicate to that FX, similarly to the X32.. you would just have to do it yourself. I am sending some Reverb/Delay FX busses to our stream as well, that would work the same as any other channel in this case
Were there some main differences that you could hear between the house and livestream mix as far as individual channels? As far as definitely boost the kick or snare, etc on the livestream? Or cut the vocals or any consistent differences you've noticed between the two?
The biggest/most important change for us was placing vocals in the right spot. We usually cut them to the LS. All the vocals are all cut the same amount and we let the main FOH engineer mix the vocalist’s levels Outside of that it’s subtle changes like boosting kick/snare/bass and cutting almost everything else slightly. But that’s just how it landed for us.
Great coverage although this isn't just a Wing thing. We did similar on our x32 it works like a charm, send the main left right to a linked pair of matrix, to a pair of outputs, to a digital interface, to the PC. Then send a linked pair of post fader bus (9+10 panned L/R) to the matching LR Matrix. Mainly for the pastors mic to boost him against the worship team. Then I started using it on the band to smooth out the mix. Having a mono centre speaker really messes with the stereo mix going out, because we have more vocal in the centre speaker to pull it to the middle of the room it's quieter in the LR and gets drowned out a bit on the live feed so we can now boost anything that sounds to quiet. I'll usually take a wireless headphone out to a quieter place during rehersal to rough out the adjustments on Mixing Station then leave it at that. It's more than adequate. A previous operator had a large compression on the Matrix output to match the pastor mic to the worship but it made the worship pump badly.
Love this we just upgraded our sound system and purchased the wing. I have a question, do you have this going directly to the PC our is there a device in between the Wing and the PC like a Apollo?
Yes, the WING is great! We're running XLR out of the WING going straight into our ATEM Switcher! That meets up with the video there and then is sent to the encoder
Great video! Thank you for sharing your tips and knowledge with us. I have a question regarding monitoring the broadcast mix. How are you able to monitor the broadcast mix remotely? Do you have a connection hardwired ?
Zach, thanks for the tutorial. We've been using a x32 with 2 linked sends (post fader) as our stream mix with Mixing Station but we are just about to replace the x32 with the Wing (for various reasons). I like the idea of using one of the main outputs rather than a send. My current Mixing station looks just like yours except we just call up send on fader for the send bus to avoid accidentally messing with the main mix. How do you deal with Mutes? Our audio guys use mutes all the time. If they mute the channel it mutes it EVERYWHERE including the send busses we use. Does it also mute the main output you're using on the WING or is there maybe a setting the inhibits mute on other outputs?
Enjoy the wing! Yeah the mute button is universal on the wing as well. We just only mute channels that we know are ok to mute everywhere (mains, LS, in-ear mixes, etc)
This might be a dumb question, but how do you have this setup, so that when the faders are moved at FOH … it doesn’t affect the Main2 livestream mix? We want our setup for FOH & Livestream to be completely separate. Thanks for your help.
I can highly recommend using subgroups to mix your show and adjust the volume on the PA system. For the livestream use a stereo matrix and just recreate the levels of the subgroups to that matrix. If you send the subgroups prefader to that matrix, the livestream mix is totally separate. And if you have to turn down let's say the guitar in the room, the guitar level will stay the same on the livestream matrix. Easy. Using subgroups will also make it easy, as you just have to deal with 5 or 6 faders for the whole band. Hope that helps.
@@ZachBrownMedia Ok, our church has a tough decision on SQ6 vs Wing purchase. No stagebox, just pre-wired xlr when church was built. SQ6 had advantage with smaller size, now the Wing Compact was released. Good livestreaming will be important for us going forward.
@@ZachBrownMedia Thanks Zack, this is a small church, currently using 10-12 xlr inputs, so I figure 24 XLR input digital mixer will be enough to future proof.
Nope! We used to, but now with the BusMix everything is handled by the WING. so the computer is just controlling the wing. We do use Dante for some track inputs and keys patches though
@@r3ggysam524 that connection is made over a network. Could be just an Ethernet cable running from the board to the computer! But we have a network connecting all of our computers, switcher, and board. We also have a WiFi router connected to it so we can access mixing station from our phones/tablets too if we’re connected to that WiFi
This is a great video. We are also using the Wing, but the streaming audio thru a bus and a main. The result is pretty much the same it seems (although someone using only the App Wing Q can manage the sound for the streaming without having access to the FOH mix, and that can be safer sometimes...)
Appreciate it 👊🏼 yeah there’s a ton of variation on how you could do it. Fun to hear how others run things
Using Q, of course, the perfect solution. Camera operator can have access to the bus and nothing else, two thumbs up.
You can Lock Mixing station in the same way. ive set this up for another church plenty times before.
Awesome video! I've been a fan of the x32 for a while now and I still love it today! Setting up a live stream post fader bus mix is easy on that board. However, on the Wing, things can get a bit tricky lol. I currently also help out a church on Sundays specifically with their live stream mix and they have a Wing. The wing is awesome with all of the onboard effects for individual channels. My only issue I have with it is the effects! The x32 makes it so easy to deal with effects because there are dedicated returns on the board which helps smooth in your reverbs, delays etc. Can you show us how you use effects with your live stream mix? Perhaps you may have a video already on this subject. Thanks!
We don't really have any dedicated FX for our Stream! You would create your own bus to dedicate to that FX, similarly to the X32.. you would just have to do it yourself. I am sending some Reverb/Delay FX busses to our stream as well, that would work the same as any other channel in this case
This is great! Such clear and simple explanations. Thanks man
Great to hear! 👊🏼
Were there some main differences that you could hear between the house and livestream mix as far as individual channels? As far as definitely boost the kick or snare, etc on the livestream? Or cut the vocals or any consistent differences you've noticed between the two?
The biggest/most important change for us was placing vocals in the right spot. We usually cut them to the LS. All the vocals are all cut the same amount and we let the main FOH engineer mix the vocalist’s levels
Outside of that it’s subtle changes like boosting kick/snare/bass and cutting almost everything else slightly. But that’s just how it landed for us.
Thank you
Great coverage although this isn't just a Wing thing.
We did similar on our x32 it works like a charm, send the main left right to a linked pair of matrix, to a pair of outputs, to a digital interface, to the PC.
Then send a linked pair of post fader bus (9+10 panned L/R) to the matching LR Matrix. Mainly for the pastors mic to boost him against the worship team. Then I started using it on the band to smooth out the mix. Having a mono centre speaker really messes with the stereo mix going out, because we have more vocal in the centre speaker to pull it to the middle of the room it's quieter in the LR and gets drowned out a bit on the live feed so we can now boost anything that sounds to quiet. I'll usually take a wireless headphone out to a quieter place during rehersal to rough out the adjustments on Mixing Station then leave it at that. It's more than adequate.
A previous operator had a large compression on the Matrix output to match the pastor mic to the worship but it made the worship pump badly.
For sure! It's all pretty universal! Thanks for the comment!
Love this we just upgraded our sound system and purchased the wing. I have a question, do you have this going directly to the PC our is there a device in between the Wing and the PC like a Apollo?
Yes, the WING is great! We're running XLR out of the WING going straight into our ATEM Switcher! That meets up with the video there and then is sent to the encoder
Great video! Thank you for sharing your tips and knowledge with us. I have a question regarding monitoring the broadcast mix. How are you able to monitor the broadcast mix remotely? Do you have a connection hardwired ?
We're pulling the audio from the MultiView Feed! It's running into the TV, then we have speakers plugged into the TV
Zach, thanks for the tutorial. We've been using a x32 with 2 linked sends (post fader) as our stream mix with Mixing Station but we are just about to replace the x32 with the Wing (for various reasons). I like the idea of using one of the main outputs rather than a send. My current Mixing station looks just like yours except we just call up send on fader for the send bus to avoid accidentally messing with the main mix. How do you deal with Mutes? Our audio guys use mutes all the time. If they mute the channel it mutes it EVERYWHERE including the send busses we use. Does it also mute the main output you're using on the WING or is there maybe a setting the inhibits mute on other outputs?
Enjoy the wing! Yeah the mute button is universal on the wing as well. We just only mute channels that we know are ok to mute everywhere (mains, LS, in-ear mixes, etc)
This might be a dumb question, but how do you have this setup, so that when the faders are moved at FOH … it doesn’t affect the Main2 livestream mix? We want our setup for FOH & Livestream to be completely separate. Thanks for your help.
I can highly recommend using subgroups to mix your show and adjust the volume on the PA system. For the livestream use a stereo matrix and just recreate the levels of the subgroups to that matrix. If you send the subgroups prefader to that matrix, the livestream mix is totally separate. And if you have to turn down let's say the guitar in the room, the guitar level will stay the same on the livestream matrix. Easy. Using subgroups will also make it easy, as you just have to deal with 5 or 6 faders for the whole band. Hope that helps.
Yeah if you wanted a fully isolated LS mix, you would need to create a Mixbus that's Pre-Fader - Basically like an IEM
I tried to download Mixing station on my windows PC but it did not allow it, Ideas?
Can you do something like this with A&H SQ6? Do that have a Main mix Bus like this Wing?
Yes, you can follow this same workflow with other digital consoles. You just need to make the mixbus post fader
@@ZachBrownMedia Ok, our church has a tough decision on SQ6 vs Wing purchase. No stagebox, just pre-wired xlr when church was built. SQ6 had advantage with smaller size, now the Wing Compact was released. Good livestreaming will be important for us going forward.
If you’re not using a digital snake.. you need to make sure you have enough physical inputs on the back of the console.
@@ZachBrownMedia Thanks Zack, this is a small church, currently using 10-12 xlr inputs, so I figure 24 XLR input digital mixer will be enough to future proof.
Does the X32 also have this feature (i.e. multiple mix options, where different fader levels may be assigned to the Livestream mix)?
Yes, that would be just a Post-Fader Busmix
Do you use Dante connections from the mixer to the pc for streaming
Nope! We used to, but now with the BusMix everything is handled by the WING. so the computer is just controlling the wing.
We do use Dante for some track inputs and keys patches though
My question is. How can i use this set up if i dont have a dante card on the wing. Can i use USB connection from the wing to pc. Will it work
For this, we’re not using our Dante or usb card! We’re creating the mix through the mixbus then sending that XLR out to our switcher
@@ZachBrownMedia thanks man. Sorry to ask again. What’s the connection between the mixer and the laptop running the mixing station.
@@r3ggysam524 that connection is made over a network. Could be just an Ethernet cable running from the board to the computer! But we have a network connecting all of our computers, switcher, and board. We also have a WiFi router connected to it so we can access mixing station from our phones/tablets too if we’re connected to that WiFi
@@ZachBrownMedia thanks so much. Will try it and revert
Are you sending the audio from your audio mixer via audio cables or network like Dante
We've done both at different times.. currently just running XLR Out
How are you getting the multi view from your ATEM to the broadcast room with minimal delay?
Do I spy Dante? Is that how?
Just from the SDI multi-view out on the switcher. We use Dante a little bit, but right now it’s not for anything that’s directly LS related
Where did u get the mixing station app.
Just search Mixing Station and you can download it from their website!