If they are still in the apartment, they may get a big shock if they get a bill for the rent, utility bills and insurance. They need to decide if they are in or out. They are talking one story, but milking the other side. Shameless….. no class or integrity with this group.
Ador cant do that because ador need to hear court's rule before do anything. And NJ should not do what they do right now because they need to hear court's rule before do anything.
I cannot fathom how everyone is not just halting activities with them until this is sorted. Contracts are contracts they cannot be easily broken that way. You need to do it legally.
schedules have been in place for months if they cancel so last minute ADOR and indirectly NJ will have to pay a pretty penny for cancelling any of the gigs. They didn't break the contracts with the brands,shows etc working with them they're made through ADOR and ADOR would have to pay in case the girls didn't follow through with their plans. Them crying for contract termination is nothing next to the amount of debt they would put themselves in if they were to halt any of these activities. If ADOR didn't get nasty yet, they would if they were sued and lost huge amounts of money because of NJ's incompetence. Them losing stocks etc is nothing compared to huge brands suing them 😅
Is because of money. NJ IS DOING everythin in their power to make ador fired them. Is this happens ador have to pay them, and they wont paid the for breaking their contract .
@14:36 what people don't get is that without KPOP, Korea has no tourism, no gateway into Kdrama, etc... If NWJNs destroys the confidence in companies, it affects investors and shareholders. No one will invest in an unpredictable company/companies. What's sad is children, not knowing they are playing with fire...
I think the National Assembly made a very dumb move by asking Hanni to come in and then trying to attack the CEO and get an admission that artists are more like employees, not independent workers. This too would set a precedent in SK. There was a boatload of far more important cases on their docket. The reporter who published the article claiming 1 million sales was irresponsible in his failure to confirm facts. Of course the article needed correction. It was not true. IF he was mislead or lied to he should reveal who lied to him. I think setting up the precedent that contracts could be that easy to terminate would be absolutely the wrong thing to do.
The authoritatives investigated after the hearing in National Assembly. They concluded there was NO bullying in Hybe. Some country always have clown politicians. And South Korea also have clown president 😂
I find new jeans to be very foolish and their behaviour extremely disrespectful but above all in violation of their contract. The sheer audacity of going ahead as if they actually legally terminated their contract is perplexing. I hope they are held to account and made responsible for their actions because this sort of behaviour is not acceptable. They need to be blacklisted now. Unbelievable. On a happier note, Hybe artists are doing well in the charts as usual and the company is thriving! 😉💪
Kaznovati bi morali tudi Min Heejin, ker je ona vzrok vsemu temu, kar se dogaja na glasbeni sceni! Dekleta pa so njene učenke! Jabolko ne pade daleč od dreves.
you are right. tvxq is bigger than bigbang. tvxq sold more than 12-million albums in japan & korea. in comparison, bigbang only sold more than three million albums.
YG is really good at mediaplay and giving the illusion that it's groups are the most popular compared to others, not saying they aren't popular just that they use media to make their groups appear more successful or more popular then others. Imo Twice is more popular gg in the US or at least the better selling gg compared to BP, they had a way more successful US Stadium Tour. As far as I know they legitimately sold out a stadium in SoFi while BP company gave out some free tickets to give the appearance they sold a stadium out. Fairlane explained in a prior video this is why YG lost money on the BP tour. They were looking for that "BP sells out stadium" headline but lost money paying to do that. This is nothing against the girls but their company and how they operate that is deceptive. But YG's media play has worked in the US because most gp know BP's name because they've seen them everywhere in the media despite how big Twice actually still is here. Now we've got lots of 4th gen gg gaining ground but gp still seem to think BP is the biggest kpop gg in the world. I think real sales and real people in concert seats is a more accurate measure then how many articles are written about you. This is a problem in the western industry as well but imo it gives the artists a false sense of the reality, I guess some artists don't mind but others get a rude awakening when they look out into an almost half empty concert venue. Plus most artists really make their money from tours and not their actual music (most US labels make the bulk of the money or streaming services etc off the music not the artists themselves).
Honestly now I see all these things with 👖as their momma succeeding at making it all about 👖vs Ador/Hybe instead of against her. 🧢is doing a good job at using 👖to distract the media/world from what she's been doing. Both Dispatch and KMCA at least named her calling her out in the media as it should be cuz she wants people to forget she is the one pulling 👖puppet strings.
Indeed. I got into kpop amidst that and was highly confused. Notably, I was around 10 yo at the time, yet I still wanted to understand more about kpop and getting accurate information was difficult, not to mention that it was even more difficult getting info in my native tongue.
It was amazing to see Old Shorts fans reacting to the Vogue cover as if the shoot had taken place recently. Most fashion shoots take months to reach the magazine. The time period is usually around six months from the time the photography is done. The fact that Old Shorts were presented as a group of attractive Asian women and not as a singing group went over their heads. I don't know how people could think that a world wide organization like the one behind all the editions of Vogue wouldn't be aware of what was going on and would go against Ador/Hybe since they have staff photographers, editors, etc of their own who if Old Shorts were to win, could simply up and quit for any reason. The fact that Ador did publish the pics shows that there was, in my opinion, a schedule and that Old Shorts and their mother jumped the gun to try and make it look as if they had won when nothing is farther from the truth. That is speculation on my part of course. Thank you for laying out the situation with TVXQ/JYJ and how it has taken 15-16 years for the ones who left to be able to perform publicly again.
Do you know why Vogue didn't put the group name in the magazine but only the members names?...Also do you think that they're trying to avoid getting sued in future by Ador (if the court says the contract is still valid between Ador and NJs) by not adding the group's name?
I think NJ would have a case against the KMCA for blacklisting them if they had actually terminated their contract and weren't still signed under Ador. I think based on the laws KMCA has a justifiable cause to block them. However had they terminated the contract properly they still could face a non-compete clause, similar to the LOONA girls, meaning they won't be able to do anything as 5 members because it would pose direct competition to Ador's copyright to NJ.
I wish that social media would stop saying that New Jeans has terminated their contact with ador~ it is a legal issue that hasn't been addressed by the courts. Social media acts like the assumption that they can unilaterally walk away from a legally binding contract is ok... simply ridiculous.
they have terminated, the law is deciding if they had cause to, so legally, they are in limbo until the courts decide because Hybe will sue anyone that hires them and has given legal notice to that fact.
@@LPnerd Nope, they havent terminated it, Ador asked the court to REVISE the validity of the contract. NOT the termination, the VALIDITY. That was an smart move from Ador because 👖 was actually expecting Ador to drop them if they said they are done with them, but Ador sort of did a Uno reverse on them and instead asked the court to review that the contract was still in place. Because 👖 says the contract (that goes until 2029) has been broken by Ador and Ador says they didnt. So the court will decide if the Contract is still valid. Until then, 👖 should act according to the contract as not doing so (creating their new ig and all that jazz) will cause them legal problems. 👖 is assuming the contract isn't valid, the key word is "assuming" because the court hasnt confirmed it. Which is plain ass stupid.
I don't understand how anyone consider that because someone said they should ignore you means bullying, wen they are people out there that are really suffering and pray that those who are or bullied them should ignore them so that the can not experience that situation and the pain that cames through they're entire life lest not even mention those who unlive themselves let's be serious.
Blacklisting makes sense until better laws are made for tampering. The case of the contract needs to be decided fast. Seeing people treat them like they did nothing wrong is already setting a bad precedent.
No. Because anyone does business with new jeans will be liable of lawsuits because new jeans is still in contract with Ador. Anything done outside of Ador is against their contract, so everyone can be sued by Ador. Ador has not dropped the hammer on new jeans, but they need to do it soon. Getting tired of corrupted new jeans not being held accountable. Ador sue sue sue new jeans until they are nothing, and make them unhireable.
Their fans laughing and praising the brats' "bravery ans strength" all think it's a done deal and their idols are free, making their own decisions with Ador "begging" them to come back LOL
Thanks. As an og TV5Q fan , it really makes me angry when people only use the strong fight that JYJ did agains SM, when it serves to their interests and don't even get it right. The context and resolution of the whole trial and end result is very complex. Till this day, there a A LOT of details that never got to be clarified nor made public because of the restrictions and deals. JYJ took the legal route because that's what you do when things are serious and you want to fight for something. The didn't even won fully irl. So, PLEASE, to those who want to use JYJs case just because: READ FIRST THE WHOLE CASE. / LEAN PRIMERO TODO EL CASO ANTES DE HABLAR y respeten a los shinkis u.u
Can someone explain to me why NJ claims to terminate their contract with ADOR but they are still on ADOR schedule and ADOR privileges. The music wards etc. The court has NOT recognized the termination of the contract.
Blacklisting is fine to do to "formerly known as NJ". That just means they will not be considered for awards in South Korea, be invited to shows, or be counted in the charts. They will still be making money off of the music sold under the NJ name until they are officially out of the contract. If they are obsessed with being publicly " recognized and acknowledged" which means more branding opportunities, then that will hurt them the most.
this blacklisting thing is nonsense since hybe has given public and legal notice that they remain under adore so if you hire them, hybe /Adore will sue you, which is the legal way to deal with this.
No investors? They clearly have someone powerful and with tons of $$ supporting them. I suspect SM (or some entity related to SM) is behind the funds supporting the brats. I don't think they would be banned like JYJ was if they are under SM's umbrella.
I think you might be right. Otherwise they would have stopped already. I really, really hate them. I truly hope that MHJ and NJ WILL NEVER EVER BE WORKING IN THE INDUSTRY. They give South Korea a bad name. Just get rid of the drama queens.
The main competitor of Hybe is Kakao. Kakao is the majority shareholder of SM. Kakao CEO arrested by the police because of SM's stock price manipulation that cause Hybe failed to be the majority of SM shareholder.
the ground for nj and tvxq is not the same. tvxq solid enough to sue SM meanwhile nj just use hello gate in NA w/o properly suing H. means tvxq has the actual mistreatment from SM meanwhile nj has no solid evidence of mistreatment from H. TVXQ suing but still get backlisted 🤷
A landscape review or market research report is not a strategic document, it is an aid for decision making. Those types of reports are supposed to be completely objective about the trends of a market and draw conclusions. Those conclusions are not a strategic plan, they are observations based on what was found out. A company will then read the report and take informed decisions based on their own strategic plan and they might or not take into account the conclusions of the report for their decisions. This means that whatever was written in the report about NJs it was not HYBE’s opinion nor decision. It was an objective reflection of the market and a suggestion. In no way HYBE had to take what was written in the report as the blueprint for their final decisions. So no, HYBE was not trying to get rid of NJs.
They are just saying they want to stop taking their numbers, until they have figure out their company problems. Which is done by the court. I see nothing wrong with this.
If I was the legal representation of NJ, I would file a police complaint against the KMCA for illegally promoting a boycott and also file a civil suit against the KMCA if Korea has relevant business interference laws. Please understand, you need to separate MHJ vs Hybe and NJ vs Ador. They are two separate cases. For some reason, people are having a hard time understand that what NJ did is perfectly legal. It happens all the time with contracts. Everyone should realize this since Hybe did the very same thing with MHJ in the beginning of this whole situation. Remember: Hybe unilaterally removed MHJ as Ador CEO claiming she was in violation of contract conditions. Hybe did not take MHJ to court to terminate the contract; they simply stated she was in breach of the contract so the contract was no longer in effect. MHJ then sued Hybe to get herself reinstated as CEO and won that suit. [Note: Hybe later sued to remove MHJ CEO providing some additional evidence that the Korean court found acceptable.] NJ has the same rights as Hybe or Ador to use a contract exit clause to unilaterally terminate their contract. It is then the responsibility of the other party (Ador) to sue NJ for contract breach or to request the court state the contract is still valid and in effect. Remember: KPop companies constantly unilaterally do this whenever they kick an artist out of their company. They don't sue to get the artist removed; they simply claim the artist breached a contract condition. What is unusual with NJ vs Ador is that this is the first time that the artist initiated a contract exit clause and not the company. And Kpop companies have no one to blame but themselves. When Hanni claimed employee abuse, the government was petitioned to not recognize idols as company employees. The government agreed and declared that idols are not employees but independent contractors under the Labor Standards Act. As such, idols are "equal" to the companies and can exit a contract per defined exit clauses. Until a court says that the Ador/NJ contract is still in effect or the NJ members must suspend activities until the contract dispute is concluded, NJ members can legally do sponsorships, performances, etc. Consider this: if NJ members had to suspend their activities until the court determines the contract validity why shouldn't Ador be made to suspend all their activities. You always need to look at contract enforcement as applying to all parties involved. Additionally, the impact on the KPop industry shouldn't matter. This is a legal case about a contract and will be determined based on the terms, conditions, and clauses of the Ador/NJ contract.
Hybe was able to Fire Min because she was an employee of the Company. She was caught and was fired from her position of CEO given by the company. Isn't it legal and wise to fire an employee when they are caught red handed??? At the end of the day Hybe is a corporation. If aritsts can easily walk out of a contract citing breach of trust without any proof at any time then what happens to the Investors' money?? Who is gonna invest in the so called artist if they can walk out of contract at any time on their wish? KMCA stepped up because if this can happen to a big corporation like hybe then small companies stand no chance. NJs involved media so its fair to say that everyone can weigh in their two cents in all this mess. If contract can be terminated verbally then Why is KG of VCHA filing for a lawsuit for contract termination??? Why didn't she hold a press conference and use the word unilaterally ??? Kuddos to the NJs for standing firm for what they believe but its hard to forget the fact that Hanni went and spoke in NA when the families of 21 dead workers couldn't.
If contract can break uniterally without going to the court, the contract become meaningless. You do not need the contract. Please get better education.
@@keychamlingHybe cannot fire Min Hee Jin because there was still shareholder agreement. But Ador board directors can fire Min Hee Jin as CEO. The judge at the first injunction court said: Although Min Hee Jin proved for attacking Hybe, but Hybe is not Ador. In the contract, Hybe can fire Min Hee Jin if she cause damaging Ador. So Hybe took judge premise that Hybe is not Ador. Later on, Hybe canceled the shareholder agreement through the court. Min Hee Jin lost in the second injuction court. But the main court still waiting.
@@keychamling MHJ is again suing Hybe to have her contract (making her CEO until Nov 2025) be enforced by the courts. If the courts agree with her, she will again be reinstated. We won't know the outcome until it goes to court. (Note: this is the second time Hybe removed her as CEO. The first time, the court reinstated her.) KG has unilaterally terminated her contract, but it has not been stated if she's ending her contract per an exit clause . She claims JYP America has broken California employment law and has "abused" VCHA members and herself. She is suing JYP America for monetary compensation for pain and suffering due to the abuse and to void any termination penalties. NJ members say they have terminated their contract via contract exit clauses. Contract exit clauses are how companies terminate an idol's contract for activities like public dating or smoking. Contracts can have exit clauses that state when each party can terminate the contract without penalty. They also should state penalties for breach of contract. In all cases, the aggrieved party can choose to bring the matter to a court for final determination.
@@bimotok757 You obviously don't understand contract law. Unilateral termination of a contract happens ALL THE TIME. The other party can then choose to take the matter to mediation, arbitration or litigation for contract enforcement. The contract has meaning because the parties use the contract terms for execution, exit, and enforcement. For example, health insurance contracts. In the US, 17% of the time an insurer refuses to pay for a medical procedure because they unilaterally state the contract doesn't cover it. A person than has to sue the insurance company for the compensation.
It seems to me that N J thought they were signing a contract for a short term loan. Do they actually believe that they have paid the debt by earning what it cost to house, feed, train and pay for the infrastructure necessary to debut them?
U can't use the company facilities, connection to build your own business n quit the company at the end. That's just thief.. Business word is called 'tempering'. illegal n no way any law in any country approved it. The girls need a slap with law.
They want to have the power over others that's what at the end comes to they want to have power to have the say to fire who doesn't fit in their world, other words give me A'dor
I feel weird nitpicking like this, but the word "precedent" is pronounced press-a-dent. You keep saying pree-see-dent. Other than that, great job laying out the facts and keeping us updated on the NJ drama. Thanks for keeping us well informed.
The pronunciation depends if you are American, Australian or English... so to correct anyone on pronunciation of words in the English language is a bit pretentious especially if you are American as they have killed the pronunciation of words in the English language.
@@pamelakrause9311She is based in the US though and the OP sounds like they are just trying to help. Weird of you to hate on another country unprovoked like though
@@pamelakrause9311Yes, different countries will have different accents, but the American, Australian and English pronunciation of the word "precedent" are near identical and it's not pree-see-dent. Genuinely curious, but how do you pronounce the word in your country? I understand that she deserves some grace since English isn't her first language, but it wasn't mine either.
I think KMCA is just a management trade group, right? Of course they’re going to support companies over artists. Not reporting sales seems like a pretty toothless blacklist. I can understand taking action against a group who is under contract, but ex50 is not under contract to the old company. I found it odd they threw shade at ex50 members in the NJ statement.
@@nicoleloss7987 I’m quite sure ex50 are free and clear of the old company. The only case that remains is against the company for unpaid Cupid royalties. I agree NJ should not be free until the contract is legally resolved.
@@gravy9gravy I guess you don't understand the KMCA statement. The boycott is not about whether an artist is still under their contract or not but about artists who had tried to escape their contract due to being lured by other agencies or external bodies. Which was what ex50 tried to do due to the manipulation of their then producer. They are also currently being sued by their company for damages.
Unfortunately, the direction of the judiciary in Korea changes depending on the government. Korea is an emotional country, so human feelings take precedence over the law. So, if the government changes, NJ will have an advantage.
But at least the people sitting in the Judiciary knows that they must be careful in making a precedent that will have lasting ramifications on the business climate of SK. This is not only about 👖and Ador contract, but SK contract laws.
@@neljade3341 That's right. I hope the court will make the right decision. However, according to Bunnies, Article 15 of the contract is advantageous to NJ. If the court were to focus on that point, it would likely be a victory for NJ.
@@ドンたなべ yes, I heard there's that clause in their contract that Bunnies seem to think is favorable to the girls. However, a contract has many clauses/conditions, that it's wrongful for anyone to just interpret it the way they wanted. Only the Courts can interpret and apply the correct laws... If you remember the first injunction case, the judge's statement there was: although 🧢 didn't hurt ADOR business (which is why the Stockholders couldn't have her removal in their meeting's agenda), it found that she may have tried to harm HYBE's.... Based on this final statement alone, Hybe can legally pursue 🧢. However, the media play changed to 👖 versus ADOR. Trust the Judiciary, not public opinion. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice." MLK
@@neljade3341 Yes, I agree. MHJ and NJ are cowards, so I hope the courts will make the right decision. But unfortunately, Korea is an emotional country, so I find it hard to trust them. If NJ wins, we will have to boycott it.
@@ドンたなべ, most of these girls fans are teens around the world who knows nothing about the legality as long as they can still see their bias. These girls created a new IG and it garnered 3M in a day subs. I hope the court act sooner than later because it's not going to be good to the future of the idols and agencies.
BigHit paid for his college education with contemporary dance and singing and hip-hop dance lessons, as well as other skills that all idols need to learn to perform, model or be photographed
@@drikakoy1192 Not quiet. Jimin had no individual vocal lessons till years after debut when he decieded on them. (he asked to sit in on Taehyung's and JK's) My guess it was a bit of timing/scheduling and money problem. They tried to teach him rap at first till Yoongi decided to interfer. But with the sentiment you are right.
The first person to be blacklisted should be MHJ. If NJ wakes up from dark spell soon, they still have chance to testify against her and save their future.
I'm pretty neutral about NJ I have no hate nor love for the group. I had a feeling they would get blacklisted but for me when it comes to the music the numbers should be counted whether you agree with what they have done or not. If chart wise, they deserve to be on the board put them there.
Not to be picky, but ‘precedent’ is pronounced like ‘press-i-dent’ (accent on press). ‘President’ is pronounced with a ‘z’ sound, ‘precedent’ is pronounced the same but with an ‘s’ sound.
@pahderella and it depends if you are English or Australian as opposed to American as the pronunciation of words by Americans is quite different to other native English speakers. Americans have barstardized the English language including the spelling of words. Other native English speakers get annoyed at US thinking they own or are correct when it comes to their English language, especially if you are British!!
If they are still in the apartment, they may get a big shock if they get a bill for the rent, utility bills and insurance. They need to decide if they are in or out. They are talking one story, but milking the other side. Shameless….. no class or integrity with this group.
What’s the bet they refuse to pay any bills?
my guess is the apt was already paid-off or not a rental since they’re not a low income-gg
Ador cant do that because ador need to hear court's rule before do anything.
And NJ should not do what they do right now because they need to hear court's rule before do anything.
I cannot fathom how everyone is not just halting activities with them until this is sorted. Contracts are contracts they cannot be easily broken that way. You need to do it legally.
I totally agree!!
schedules have been in place for months if they cancel so last minute ADOR and indirectly NJ will have to pay a pretty penny for cancelling any of the gigs. They didn't break the contracts with the brands,shows etc working with them they're made through ADOR and ADOR would have to pay in case the girls didn't follow through with their plans. Them crying for contract termination is nothing next to the amount of debt they would put themselves in if they were to halt any of these activities. If ADOR didn't get nasty yet, they would if they were sued and lost huge amounts of money because of NJ's incompetence. Them losing stocks etc is nothing compared to huge brands suing them 😅
Is because of money. NJ IS DOING everythin in their power to make ador fired them. Is this happens ador have to pay them, and they wont paid the for breaking their contract .
@@mekli0325they made contracts behind Adors back. So that cost the brand not only their image
I think the activities that they are attended was already scheduled in advanced by ador before they made mutiny. So still legits.
@14:36 what people don't get is that without KPOP, Korea has no tourism, no gateway into Kdrama, etc... If NWJNs destroys the confidence in companies, it affects investors and shareholders. No one will invest in an unpredictable company/companies. What's sad is children, not knowing they are playing with fire...
I think the National Assembly made a very dumb move by asking Hanni to come in and then trying to attack the CEO and get an admission that artists are more like employees, not independent workers. This too would set a precedent in SK. There was a boatload of far more important cases on their docket.
The reporter who published the article claiming 1 million sales was irresponsible in his failure to confirm facts. Of course the article needed correction. It was not true. IF he was mislead or lied to he should reveal who lied to him.
I think setting up the precedent that contracts could be that easy to terminate would be absolutely the wrong thing to do.
You're right the National Assembly made a laughing stock of themselves....
You know there's a bigger hand behind the scenes. That reporter who wrongfully reported their Japan sales is now a Kakao director.
@@neljade3341 Corruption seems rife
Yeah it was hard to listen to MHJ supporters calling out Hybe for telling the truth about NJ'S actual sales figures in Japan which weren't very high.
The authoritatives investigated after the hearing in National Assembly. They concluded there was NO bullying in Hybe. Some country always have clown politicians. And South Korea also have clown president 😂
I have no respect for NJ. Even without a boycott, imo, they’re eventually done.
I find new jeans to be very foolish and their behaviour extremely disrespectful but above all in violation of their contract. The sheer audacity of going ahead as if they actually legally terminated their contract is perplexing. I hope they are held to account and made responsible for their actions because this sort of behaviour is not acceptable. They need to be blacklisted now. Unbelievable. On a happier note, Hybe artists are doing well in the charts as usual and the company is thriving! 😉💪
The most dellusional group.
Kaznovati bi morali tudi Min Heejin, ker je ona vzrok vsemu temu, kar se dogaja na glasbeni sceni! Dekleta pa so njene učenke! Jabolko ne pade daleč od dreves.
you are right. tvxq is bigger than bigbang. tvxq sold more than 12-million albums in japan & korea. in comparison, bigbang only sold more than three million albums.
YG is really good at mediaplay and giving the illusion that it's groups are the most popular compared to others, not saying they aren't popular just that they use media to make their groups appear more successful or more popular then others. Imo Twice is more popular gg in the US or at least the better selling gg compared to BP, they had a way more successful US Stadium Tour. As far as I know they legitimately sold out a stadium in SoFi while BP company gave out some free tickets to give the appearance they sold a stadium out. Fairlane explained in a prior video this is why YG lost money on the BP tour. They were looking for that "BP sells out stadium" headline but lost money paying to do that. This is nothing against the girls but their company and how they operate that is deceptive. But YG's media play has worked in the US because most gp know BP's name because they've seen them everywhere in the media despite how big Twice actually still is here. Now we've got lots of 4th gen gg gaining ground but gp still seem to think BP is the biggest kpop gg in the world. I think real sales and real people in concert seats is a more accurate measure then how many articles are written about you. This is a problem in the western industry as well but imo it gives the artists a false sense of the reality, I guess some artists don't mind but others get a rude awakening when they look out into an almost half empty concert venue. Plus most artists really make their money from tours and not their actual music (most US labels make the bulk of the money or streaming services etc off the music not the artists themselves).
This is the outcome of what New Jeans has done...They are going down...deep😓
Žalostno je to, da še vedno tega ne dojemajo in se obnašajo prav arogantno!
Honestly now I see all these things with 👖as their momma succeeding at making it all about 👖vs Ador/Hybe instead of against her. 🧢is doing a good job at using 👖to distract the media/world from what she's been doing. Both Dispatch and KMCA at least named her calling her out in the media as it should be cuz she wants people to forget she is the one pulling 👖puppet strings.
I agree with KMCA they need to stick to their contract until 2029 or pay the fine.
KMCA jim je dal rok do konca leta.
So glad you are explaining this for the newbies. We had had to gathering news articles, have them translated by TVXQ fans, and discuss among forums
Indeed. I got into kpop amidst that and was highly confused. Notably, I was around 10 yo at the time, yet I still wanted to understand more about kpop and getting accurate information was difficult, not to mention that it was even more difficult getting info in my native tongue.
It was amazing to see Old Shorts fans reacting to the Vogue cover as if the shoot had taken place recently. Most fashion shoots take months to reach the magazine. The time period is usually around six months from the time the photography is done. The fact that Old Shorts were presented as a group of attractive Asian women and not as a singing group went over their heads. I don't know how people could think that a world wide organization like the one behind all the editions of Vogue wouldn't be aware of what was going on and would go against Ador/Hybe since they have staff photographers, editors, etc of their own who if Old Shorts were to win, could simply up and quit for any reason. The fact that Ador did publish the pics shows that there was, in my opinion, a schedule and that Old Shorts and their mother jumped the gun to try and make it look as if they had won when nothing is farther from the truth. That is speculation on my part of course.
Thank you for laying out the situation with TVXQ/JYJ and how it has taken 15-16 years for the ones who left to be able to perform publicly again.
Do you know why Vogue didn't put the group name in the magazine but only the members names?...Also do you think that they're trying to avoid getting sued in future by Ador (if the court says the contract is still valid between Ador and NJs) by not adding the group's name?
@silvermoon6486 You answered your own question.
I think NJ would have a case against the KMCA for blacklisting them if they had actually terminated their contract and weren't still signed under Ador. I think based on the laws KMCA has a justifiable cause to block them. However had they terminated the contract properly they still could face a non-compete clause, similar to the LOONA girls, meaning they won't be able to do anything as 5 members because it would pose direct competition to Ador's copyright to NJ.
they are and in their eyes have terminated the contract, like a month ago.
That group and their 🧢 should be banned
Vi ne veste, kako to nestrpno pričakujem!
I was so emotional to see JK live today he was doing just fine 🥹🥹💜
I wish that social media would stop saying that New Jeans has terminated their contact with ador~ it is a legal issue that hasn't been addressed by the courts. Social media acts like the assumption that they can unilaterally walk away from a legally binding contract is ok... simply ridiculous.
they have terminated, the law is deciding if they had cause to, so legally, they are in limbo until the courts decide because Hybe will sue anyone that hires them and has given legal notice to that fact.
@@LPnerd Nope, they havent terminated it, Ador asked the court to REVISE the validity of the contract. NOT the termination, the VALIDITY. That was an smart move from Ador because 👖 was actually expecting Ador to drop them if they said they are done with them, but Ador sort of did a Uno reverse on them and instead asked the court to review that the contract was still in place.
Because 👖 says the contract (that goes until 2029) has been broken by Ador and Ador says they didnt. So the court will decide if the Contract is still valid. Until then, 👖 should act according to the contract as not doing so (creating their new ig and all that jazz) will cause them legal problems. 👖 is assuming the contract isn't valid, the key word is "assuming" because the court hasnt confirmed it. Which is plain ass stupid.
I don't understand how anyone consider that because someone said they should ignore you means bullying, wen they are people out there that are really suffering and pray that those who are or bullied them should ignore them so that the can not experience that situation and the pain that cames through they're entire life lest not even mention those who unlive themselves let's be serious.
No bueno y ni siquiera se compró si fue cierto 😮 NJ a la lista negra por mérito 😂😂😂😂
And it have no prove 😂
Nj needs to be blacklist.
Blacklisting makes sense until better laws are made for tampering. The case of the contract needs to be decided fast. Seeing people treat them like they did nothing wrong is already setting a bad precedent.
Drži!
No. Because anyone does business with new jeans will be liable of lawsuits because new jeans is still in contract with Ador. Anything done outside of Ador is against their contract, so everyone can be sued by Ador. Ador has not dropped the hammer on new jeans, but they need to do it soon. Getting tired of corrupted new jeans not being held accountable. Ador sue sue sue new jeans until they are nothing, and make them unhireable.
It doesn’t have anything to do with advertising but rather views and sales being reported to korean music show and award shows
This year in kpop has been wild
Res je in za vse to je kriva Min Heejin!
Their fans laughing and praising the brats' "bravery ans strength" all think it's a done deal and their idols are free, making their own decisions with Ador "begging" them to come back LOL
So KMCA wants to IGNORE old pants....
They should get used to that word.
Thanks. As an og TV5Q fan , it really makes me angry when people only use the strong fight that JYJ did agains SM, when it serves to their interests and don't even get it right. The context and resolution of the whole trial and end result is very complex. Till this day, there a A LOT of details that never got to be clarified nor made public because of the restrictions and deals. JYJ took the legal route because that's what you do when things are serious and you want to fight for something. The didn't even won fully irl. So, PLEASE, to those who want to use JYJs case just because: READ FIRST THE WHOLE CASE. / LEAN PRIMERO TODO EL CASO ANTES DE HABLAR y respeten a los shinkis u.u
Can someone explain to me why NJ claims to terminate their contract with ADOR but they are still on ADOR schedule and ADOR privileges. The music wards etc. The court has NOT recognized the termination of the contract.
Blacklisting is fine to do to "formerly known as NJ". That just means they will not be considered for awards in South Korea, be invited to shows, or be counted in the charts. They will still be making money off of the music sold under the NJ name until they are officially out of the contract. If they are obsessed with being publicly " recognized and acknowledged" which means more branding opportunities, then that will hurt them the most.
this blacklisting thing is nonsense since hybe has given public and legal notice that they remain under adore so if you hire them, hybe /Adore will sue you, which is the legal way to deal with this.
Meanwhile mhj and nj violating everything lol
And getting away with everything so far. It’s devastating.
S tem se posmehujejo zakonom in državi!
New Jeans has to be blacklisted to set an example….
What about their latest magazine cover in hanbok but only with their names and MHJ AS THE DIRECTOR..
if it was posted on the official ador-run newjeans acc then it was probably scheduled a while ago
@@rileynavarra7652 cover shoots are 6 months out for new season, and 3 months out for in between seasons.
Wait, Mirotic? I know that song! Had no idea it TVXQ, only that I saw a clip of Jimin dancing to it! 😂
25.31 they got the deal through Ador but exclude them, that is why she/,he got sued.
No investors? They clearly have someone powerful and with tons of $$ supporting them. I suspect SM (or some entity related to SM) is behind the funds supporting the brats. I don't think they would be banned like JYJ was if they are under SM's umbrella.
I think you might be right.
Otherwise they would have stopped already.
I really, really hate them.
I truly hope that MHJ and NJ WILL NEVER EVER BE WORKING IN THE INDUSTRY.
They give South Korea a bad name.
Just get rid of the drama queens.
I don't know if SM would want anything to do with Mama Roach and her Shamanic weirdness. They would take NJ'S but not her.
@Alice-sw9hf hopufully you're right. My fear is the SM/Kakao beef
with Hybe.
The main competitor of Hybe is Kakao. Kakao is the majority shareholder of SM. Kakao CEO arrested by the police because of SM's stock price manipulation that cause Hybe failed to be the majority of SM shareholder.
@bimotok757 exactly. They are a good candidate when speculating who is financing these brats
27.40 what they meant is they will not introduce starting group as new groups but directly introduce by name
Isn't what the staff member did considered bae-im (criminal breach of duty)?
Did the same thing happen with Jessica? She couldn’t appear on mainstream either after leaving
Zgodba se ne bo dobro končala za dekleta!
I agree. Either way the courts rule, those girls will never recover what they once were or could have been.
the ground for nj and tvxq is not the same. tvxq solid enough to sue SM meanwhile nj just use hello gate in NA w/o properly suing H. means tvxq has the actual mistreatment from SM meanwhile nj has no solid evidence of mistreatment from H. TVXQ suing but still get backlisted 🤷
Yeah because it’s SM who likes to blacklist. NJ are lucky they’re not in SM.
A landscape review or market research report is not a strategic document, it is an aid for decision making. Those types of reports are supposed to be completely objective about the trends of a market and draw conclusions. Those conclusions are not a strategic plan, they are observations based on what was found out. A company will then read the report and take informed decisions based on their own strategic plan and they might or not take into account the conclusions of the report for their decisions. This means that whatever was written in the report about NJs it was not HYBE’s opinion nor decision. It was an objective reflection of the market and a suggestion. In no way HYBE had to take what was written in the report as the blueprint for their final decisions. So no, HYBE was not trying to get rid of NJs.
They are just saying they want to stop taking their numbers, until they have figure out their company problems. Which is done by the court. I see nothing wrong with this.
If I was the legal representation of NJ, I would file a police complaint against the KMCA for illegally promoting a boycott and also file a civil suit against the KMCA if Korea has relevant business interference laws. Please understand, you need to separate MHJ vs Hybe and NJ vs Ador. They are two separate cases. For some reason, people are having a hard time understand that what NJ did is perfectly legal. It happens all the time with contracts. Everyone should realize this since Hybe did the very same thing with MHJ in the beginning of this whole situation. Remember: Hybe unilaterally removed MHJ as Ador CEO claiming she was in violation of contract conditions. Hybe did not take MHJ to court to terminate the contract; they simply stated she was in breach of the contract so the contract was no longer in effect. MHJ then sued Hybe to get herself reinstated as CEO and won that suit. [Note: Hybe later sued to remove MHJ CEO providing some additional evidence that the Korean court found acceptable.] NJ has the same rights as Hybe or Ador to use a contract exit clause to unilaterally terminate their contract. It is then the responsibility of the other party (Ador) to sue NJ for contract breach or to request the court state the contract is still valid and in effect. Remember: KPop companies constantly unilaterally do this whenever they kick an artist out of their company. They don't sue to get the artist removed; they simply claim the artist breached a contract condition. What is unusual with NJ vs Ador is that this is the first time that the artist initiated a contract exit clause and not the company. And Kpop companies have no one to blame but themselves. When Hanni claimed employee abuse, the government was petitioned to not recognize idols as company employees. The government agreed and declared that idols are not employees but independent contractors under the Labor Standards Act. As such, idols are "equal" to the companies and can exit a contract per defined exit clauses. Until a court says that the Ador/NJ contract is still in effect or the NJ members must suspend activities until the contract dispute is concluded, NJ members can legally do sponsorships, performances, etc. Consider this: if NJ members had to suspend their activities until the court determines the contract validity why shouldn't Ador be made to suspend all their activities. You always need to look at contract enforcement as applying to all parties involved. Additionally, the impact on the KPop industry shouldn't matter. This is a legal case about a contract and will be determined based on the terms, conditions, and clauses of the Ador/NJ contract.
Hybe was able to Fire Min because she was an employee of the Company. She was caught and was fired from her position of CEO given by the company. Isn't it legal and wise to fire an employee when they are caught red handed??? At the end of the day Hybe is a corporation.
If aritsts can easily walk out of a contract citing breach of trust without any proof at any time then what happens to the Investors' money?? Who is gonna invest in the so called artist if they can walk out of contract at any time on their wish? KMCA stepped up because if this can happen to a big corporation like hybe then small companies stand no chance. NJs involved media so its fair to say that everyone can weigh in their two cents in all this mess.
If contract can be terminated verbally then Why is KG of VCHA filing for a lawsuit for contract termination??? Why didn't she hold a press conference and use the word unilaterally ???
Kuddos to the NJs for standing firm for what they believe but its hard to forget the fact that Hanni went and spoke in NA when the families of 21 dead workers couldn't.
If contract can break uniterally without going to the court, the contract become meaningless. You do not need the contract. Please get better education.
@@keychamlingHybe cannot fire Min Hee Jin because there was still shareholder agreement. But Ador board directors can fire Min Hee Jin as CEO. The judge at the first injunction court said: Although Min Hee Jin proved for attacking Hybe, but Hybe is not Ador. In the contract, Hybe can fire Min Hee Jin if she cause damaging Ador. So Hybe took judge premise that Hybe is not Ador. Later on, Hybe canceled the shareholder agreement through the court. Min Hee Jin lost in the second injuction court. But the main court still waiting.
@@keychamling MHJ is again suing Hybe to have her contract (making her CEO until Nov 2025) be enforced by the courts. If the courts agree with her, she will again be reinstated. We won't know the outcome until it goes to court. (Note: this is the second time Hybe removed her as CEO. The first time, the court reinstated her.)
KG has unilaterally terminated her contract, but it has not been stated if she's ending her contract per an exit clause . She claims JYP America has broken California employment law and has "abused" VCHA members and herself. She is suing JYP America for monetary compensation for pain and suffering due to the abuse and to void any termination penalties.
NJ members say they have terminated their contract via contract exit clauses. Contract exit clauses are how companies terminate an idol's contract for activities like public dating or smoking.
Contracts can have exit clauses that state when each party can terminate the contract without penalty. They also should state penalties for breach of contract. In all cases, the aggrieved party can choose to bring the matter to a court for final determination.
@@bimotok757 You obviously don't understand contract law. Unilateral termination of a contract happens ALL THE TIME. The other party can then choose to take the matter to mediation, arbitration or litigation for contract enforcement. The contract has meaning because the parties use the contract terms for execution, exit, and enforcement.
For example, health insurance contracts. In the US, 17% of the time an insurer refuses to pay for a medical procedure because they unilaterally state the contract doesn't cover it. A person than has to sue the insurance company for the compensation.
I’d like to know about more of the bands that you liked.
It seems to me that N J thought they were signing a contract for a short term loan. Do they actually believe that they have paid the debt by earning what it cost to house, feed, train and pay for the infrastructure necessary to debut them?
Would you please pronounce precedence as “pre-suh-dns”? Thanks.
U can't use the company facilities, connection to build your own business n quit the company at the end. That's just thief.. Business word is called 'tempering'. illegal n no way any law in any country approved it. The girls need a slap with law.
I think I know why NJ can't go to court. 🤦♀️
They want to have the power over others that's what at the end comes to they want to have power to have the say to fire who doesn't fit in their world, other words give me A'dor
Kdor visoko leti, nizko pade in to zelo hitro!
I already guess Haerin, bcoz she's always quiet.
I feel weird nitpicking like this, but the word "precedent" is pronounced press-a-dent. You keep saying pree-see-dent. Other than that, great job laying out the facts and keeping us updated on the NJ drama. Thanks for keeping us well informed.
The pronunciation depends if you are American, Australian or English... so to correct anyone on pronunciation of words in the English language is a bit pretentious especially if you are American as they have killed the pronunciation of words in the English language.
Clearly English isn't her first language. You are nitpicking and that wasn't necessary.
@@pamelakrause9311She is based in the US though and the OP sounds like they are just trying to help. Weird of you to hate on another country unprovoked like though
@@pamelakrause9311Yes, different countries will have different accents, but the American, Australian and English pronunciation of the word "precedent" are near identical and it's not pree-see-dent. Genuinely curious, but how do you pronounce the word in your country? I understand that she deserves some grace since English isn't her first language, but it wasn't mine either.
english probably even her 3rd language😂
I think KMCA is just a management trade group, right? Of course they’re going to support companies over artists. Not reporting sales seems like a pretty toothless blacklist. I can understand taking action against a group who is under contract, but ex50 is not under contract to the old company. I found it odd they threw shade at ex50 members in the NJ statement.
Ex 50 are still pay the penalty to attark.
Nj needs to be blacklist to teach them a lesson
I don't think you understand with the kmac is. Alot of labels, companies and charts belong to it.
@@nicoleloss7987 I’m quite sure ex50 are free and clear of the old company. The only case that remains is against the company for unpaid Cupid royalties. I agree NJ should not be free until the contract is legally resolved.
@@nicoleloss7987 Yes, KMCA is an industry trade group with limited power outside of their membership.
@@gravy9gravy I guess you don't understand the KMCA statement. The boycott is not about whether an artist is still under their contract or not but about artists who had tried to escape their contract due to being lured by other agencies or external bodies. Which was what ex50 tried to do due to the manipulation of their then producer.
They are also currently being sued by their company for damages.
Unfortunately, the direction of the judiciary in Korea changes depending on the government.
Korea is an emotional country, so human feelings take precedence over the law.
So, if the government changes, NJ will have an advantage.
But at least the people sitting in the Judiciary knows that they must be careful in making a precedent that will have lasting ramifications on the business climate of SK. This is not only about 👖and Ador contract, but SK contract laws.
@@neljade3341 That's right. I hope the court will make the right decision.
However, according to Bunnies, Article 15 of the contract is advantageous to NJ.
If the court were to focus on that point, it would likely be a victory for NJ.
@@ドンたなべ yes, I heard there's that clause in their contract that Bunnies seem to think is favorable to the girls. However, a contract has many clauses/conditions, that it's wrongful for anyone to just interpret it the way they wanted. Only the Courts can interpret and apply the correct laws... If you remember the first injunction case, the judge's statement there was: although 🧢 didn't hurt ADOR business (which is why the Stockholders couldn't have her removal in their meeting's agenda), it found that she may have tried to harm HYBE's.... Based on this final statement alone, Hybe can legally pursue 🧢. However, the media play changed to 👖 versus ADOR. Trust the Judiciary, not public opinion. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice." MLK
@@neljade3341 Yes, I agree.
MHJ and NJ are cowards, so I hope the courts will make the right decision.
But unfortunately, Korea is an emotional country, so I find it hard to trust them.
If NJ wins, we will have to boycott it.
@@ドンたなべ, most of these girls fans are teens around the world who knows nothing about the legality as long as they can still see their bias. These girls created a new IG and it garnered 3M in a day subs. I hope the court act sooner than later because it's not going to be good to the future of the idols and agencies.
At least jimin didn’t have to pay much because he was lest than 1: in treaning he didn’t get extra songcourse or dance lessons
He didn't have to pay at all since Big Hit/HYBE does not do that.
BigHit paid for his college education with contemporary dance and singing and hip-hop dance lessons, as well as other skills that all idols need to learn to perform, model or be photographed
@@drikakoy1192
Not quiet.
Jimin had no individual vocal lessons till years after debut when he decieded on them. (he asked to sit in on Taehyung's and JK's)
My guess it was a bit of timing/scheduling and money problem.
They tried to teach him rap at first till Yoongi decided to interfer.
But with the sentiment you are right.
Vogue Korea confused me. Are they really going against Adore with those covers?
Or is that fake news the girls spread on their Instagram?
Can’t imagine Vogue would set itself up in this way.
The modelling work would have been contracted with Ador and Mama Roach way before the poop hit the fan.
Your English is very good but precedent is pronounced "press uh dent" not "pre see dent".
shes from the philippines thats our pronounciation
another content for haters boooohohohoooo
The first person to be blacklisted should be MHJ. If NJ wakes up from dark spell soon, they still have chance to testify against her and save their future.
I'm pretty neutral about NJ I have no hate nor love for the group. I had a feeling they would get blacklisted but for me when it comes to the music the numbers should be counted whether you agree with what they have done or not. If chart wise, they deserve to be on the board put them there.
Not to be picky, but ‘precedent’ is pronounced like ‘press-i-dent’ (accent on press). ‘President’ is pronounced with a ‘z’ sound, ‘precedent’ is pronounced the same but with an ‘s’ sound.
The US language has so many ways to say and spell the same sounds.. for people of second language this is difficult
@pahderella and it depends if you are English or Australian as opposed to American as the pronunciation of words by Americans is quite different to other native English speakers. Americans have barstardized the English language including the spelling of words. Other native English speakers get annoyed at US thinking they own or are correct when it comes to their English language, especially if you are British!!
@@pahderella Yes, difficult for native English speakers too. Her English is remarkably good.
They should be punished