And what’s funny too is with scenes like that there’s another problem where those 10 will fight the hero one at a time instead of like fighting all at once, which is so incredibly dumb of them to do 😂
Sometimes it’s necessary for the plot and nobody but like 1 or 2 crazy people will actually give shit, those times I think it’s entirely justified, other times it wouldn’t have affected the plot and it’s just the animators being lazy, this I think is kinda garbage, but also like cmon it didn’t ruin the show by any means and for 99.9% of people it means literally nothing but probably more sleep for the animators
I don't mind it that much. Instead what annoys me is the bad sense of scale. On one hand everything is really big with huge scales but at the same times everything is very small with small scales. Take the conquests if Geonosis. Geonsis has a population of 100 billions. They are a very militaristic and are supported by a huge amount of droids. When we see the infiltration of one of the factories in episode 2 it looks like it produces at minimum 1 battle droid a second. That is a minimum of 86 thousand drones per day. They have 7 factories like this on the planet so minimum 600 thousand new battle drones every day. Not counting the B2 and other drones. In total Geonosis is looking at several tens of billions of defenders. But because the republic wins one battle with 200k clones they now suddenly occupies the entire planet. Until almost a year later. With the scales of star wars a realistic occupation of Geonosis would entail an invasion of many billions of clones and years of fighting until victory.
Haven’t watch Rebels in a while but isn’t her armor full beskar steel? If I am correct then it should probably be able to survive those exploding ships
@@Aaron_Compton I just watched the episode with the gravity well ship, where Ezra and Sato go to find a missing Rebel ship.... Which is then completely forgotten. They don't find them in the brig, the rest of the episode is all about getting the second crew out.
@@Aaron_Comptonas a Lego nerd🤓👆there is no legos only Lego pieces so the the correct way you should have phrase the reply is Lego pieces as are goated or Lego is goated
I think Matchstick and Tag were more so meaning their ships. Instead of saying all 4 names or saying their ships, Ahsoka just said the two pilot’s names
The biggest problem with the Clone Wars TV show though: “This planet with billions of inhabitants is crucially important to the war effort so lets send like fifty clones and a couple Jedi to go capture and hold it”
Actually really surprised you don’t know about the phase three clone trooper helmets? By default they are set to buzz cut their hair every 30 seconds because of how fast it grows. Without this handy feature the helmets would pop off of their heads like a bottle rockets due to the excess hair. That’s why as soon as they are out of their armor their hair grows unchecked. Glad I could help!
Obiwan never told you what 7 minus 2 is. He told me enough! He told me it is 5! No! It is 3! That's not true! That's impossible! Search your feelings. You know it to be true! NOOOOOO! NOOOOO!
I think the worst example for me comes in S2 Ep9, conveniently this also applies to the 212th Legion (guess Kenobi is just hiding his men above until they’re on screen). They were doing so well with having 3 men alongside Cody to keep Grievous from escaping the ship, with 2 of them dying which is perfectly represented in the shots with that sole reg being alive… Until they board into Anakin's shuttle, where that clone suddenly disappears as they’re getting on board even though he's there for the outside shot. Where did he go?! Is he safe? Is he alright…?
Every clone has a HUD in their helmet that gives readouts on their vitals and other important data and they are able to sync their HUDs with other clones so Cody would have been able to tell that Longshot was dead the moment his vitals dropped and Obi-Wan knows Cody well enough to likely know that if Cody isn't checking the downed trooper than that trooper is dead.
Yes, but: I think you should still check, especially in a situation where he got fried by electricity. People get shocked and live all the time in those movies, and the shock might have just grilled the electronics.
Also both obi-wan and Yoda have been shown to be able to sense when people die through the force. Obiwans famous line about when Alderaan was destroyed “it’s as if millions of voices cried out and then were silenced “ and yoda being able to feel all the deaths during order 66 in revenge of the sith, so I’m also saying that obi-wan just felt him die and thus didn’t check on him
Yea I refuse to believe that a pathetic 3,000,000 clones fights off 100,000,000 Battle Droids. Hell even 10,000 Jedi knights is way too small for a galaxy that large, hence why I put one zero behind all three numbers. So now theirs 100,000 Jedi knights, 30 million Clones and 1 billion Battle Droids.
@@Aaron_Compton The bomb squad troopers magically disappear from Mystery of the Thousand Moons, Crisis at Heart platform battle where Thorne dies has a bunch of dudes just appearing in front of him then disappearing. I think you got the most egregious ones. Also I think in background of Arc troopers episode when echo and fives are made arcs we see havoc standing in the background who should be dead and then the model later switches to Hammer
it's also real fun when a math problem is retroactively created, like with what happened with The Clone Wars movie and the Obi-Wan show, in the film Rex and a few unpainted 501st clones are captured by and later make a final stand against a droid unit at the Teth monestary until they are rescued by Cody and the 212th, by the end of the fight all but Rex and a single 501st trooper are killed, season 7 implied that surving 501st trooper was Ridge, who was namedropped earlier in the film, but the release of the Obi-Wan show saw the reintroduction of Nax into canon as the homeless 501st veteran as confirmed by a visual guide, which mentions that Nax was part of the Battle of Teth (like in the film's novelization where he originally appeared), which retroactively makes the movie's math wrong, as now there are 3 501st survivors, Rex, Ridge and Nax, despite the film only showing 2, any additional generic clones are just 212th troopers that came with Cody.
I realized, Ahsoka saying "we lost Matchstick and Tag" ment both ships that crashed with each other, not pilots and gunners per se, since both Matchstick and Tag were pilots introduced during brefing at the beging of the episode, both of them had unique helmets. So, when she said it she ment both those 2 pilots and both of their gunners who were generic clones
13:39 When Krell says "We will attack them with all our force", he's talking about the final attack on the capital. Anakin's plan, that Rex tried to persuade Krell into following was to split up the 501st into multiple squads, which would've approached and attacked the capital on different routes from the same general direction. Krell refused to split his forces, opting to lead the entire battallon along the same route, so that they are together when they reach the capital, and thus attack it from one place with all their forces. He was not talking about attacking the road with everything they had, because they didn't even know there were Umbaran forces stationed nearby. Rex's squad went-in with the intention of secureing the road, so that the entire battallion can march along it towards the capital.
So in the Geonosis episode we see the two clones dragged away but not killed. What if the reoccuring extra clones are just those dragged away clones now infected by the parasite zombie worms, who crawled back from the catacombs and rejoined the squad unseen in the chaos of combat. How many clones really escaped the catacombs with their lives?
Tbh the more likely explanation is that the order the shots appear in isn’t the order they were in when they were animated but they forgot to add/remove clones when the maths no longer worked with the new order.
The unmarked troopers being called expendable is hilarious considering I think Filoni's favorite Jedi is Plo Koon, and he is famous for the exchange: "We're just clones, sir. We're meant to be expendable.' "Not to me"
7:36 I very much do the same thing, I love the extra clones, and get very sad that they just perish for literally the dumbest reasons with no other character showing any remorse or guilt.
I will say sometimes a character being absent in a shot where they should be, can be due to limitations with the character model, the most noticeable example is after Fives' death, where the shock troopers take off their helmets and stand in a circle around Anakin, Rex and Fives, in that shot Commander Fox is noticeably absent, which is most likely due to Fox never being given a helmetless appearance, always being shown with his helmet on, additionally most clone officers are given something unique about their head, especially if they are a reoccurring character, it's likely that they didn't feel that one scene at the VERY end of a single episode was enough justification to create a unique head for Fox, especially since as far as what publicly available information there is, that episode was his final appearance in the show, so they just opted to intentionally leave him out. unrelated but the clone killed alongside Denal is named "Koho"
Speaking of clone wars problems, the republic military structure is so wacky. They have the rank of commander, a naval rank, in the army and are missing so many regular army ranks such as colonels, 2nd lieutenants, and most NCO ranks. Worse still, they can’t make up their minds on how the structure actually works, having a captain leading an entire legion, (which was about 8,000 men), yet having a commander, who is higher ranking than a captain, leading a battalion (according to Wikipedia being between 300 and 1200 men).
So in legends the ranks are as followed: Marshal Commander Senior Cmdr Regimental Cmdr Battalion Cmdr Major Captain Lt 2nd Lt Sgt Major Sgt Cpl Private/Trooper
@@ulty1472 To be fair, thats in legends, not even in the actual series, and it still skips several ranks such as lance corporal, and a few other sergeant ranks. And if we're assuming that the commanders replace all of the other ranks, that would mean that the actual clone army only goes up to lieutenant general, so unless they had a lot of jedi to fill the upper echelons, they've decapitated half of the leadership ranks: General, Marshal, and Field Marshal.
@@ulty1472 Feel free to correct me, as I'm probably wrong, but if this is the case (which I assume it is because it makes sense, but who knows, clone wars was wacky), then that would mean that Anakin was actually over qualified to be leading the legion, the most likely rank to be leading one being a Major General, or in our case, Marshal Commander, whereas Anakin, a Jedi General, most likely had the equivalent of the rank of General. My point on Cody still stands though. A Marshal commander should not be leading a battalion of men.
@@Purple_694 ok so marshal commander would be equivalent to major general however MCMDRs led Corps (which are analogous to US Army Division rather than US Army Corps), Legions/Brigades were led by Senior Commanders. I forgot exactly where Jedi fit into this but I believe Jedi Generals co-lead these larger units
TCW is guilty for a lot of these types of mistakes. They say stormtroopers have bad aim but neither the clones or the droids are better in the show. You just see them firing at eachother from 30 meters and no one seems to hit anything, especially when both are in large numbere and out in the open. At the time of the making of these episodes, the lore was to some extent more respected than nowadays so it would make sense for Obi-Wan not to care about clones dying because they were made to be expendable. Military tactical and strategical elements are often ignored in order to show a flashy frontal charge which shouldn't even work in the first place or some "clever trick" (war crime) that gives the republic the victory. And I didn't even talk about how much continuity it broke even before Disney bought the franchise.
This is my favorite video ever. I was obsessed with this show as a kid and I did this "math" so often everyone thought I was insane (a few years later I realized I didn't actually remember important arcs from the show because all I cared about back then were the clones). I also thought I was the only one who had an unexplained obsession with Denal and his disappearing markings so I'm so glad to finally see him finally get some acknowledgment 7:25 I think the only example when that didn't happen is in the S2 arc where an admiral (he wasn't a clone so I don't remember his name), Commander Ponds, and another clone were kidnapped by Aurra Sing. She murders Ponds but the random clone does get to live. I found it so surprising Oh, and I haven't been diagnosed with OCD either
To save myself insanity and such, especially for the first episode, I just chalk it up to them not wanting to have a scene where they had to animate a bunch of troopers but with the amount of deaths implied they were always there I'm pretty sure that isn't the case, but Imma go with it so I don't light myself on fire
Tho one has to say: Seeing those regular Clones as expandables was actually a whole Part of the Show itself. Showing that Clonetroopers were used as canonfodder by a regime which actually saw them as expandable, with caring Generals Like ObiWan or Skywalker being the exception. Turns out that a lot of clones didnt feel guilty during Order66, as they were aware of their supposed Worth in the Eyes of the Jedi. (Which was actually portrait in the Old StarWars Battlefront II Campaign or the Republic Commandos Storys) I like to see this as a way of cinematic means, as I think the Clones themselves told the Storys of the Clonewars. So whenever they faced Combat, nobody was exactly sure How many of their Clone comrades were actually still alive or even present when a firefight took Place. But thats Just my own humble opinion. Edit: Well okay ObiWan does not really care about Clones ngl
there were plenty of jedi that saw their clones as true comrades, there just happened to be more dumb jedi or inexperienced jedi or willingly ready to use the clones as cannon fodder jedi, sometimes a mix
@@nathancarter7020 best example would be Ayla Secura. She is always to be discribed as loyal by her Clones. But there is way more negative examples then good ones
Now you have me thinking. If SWTCW is an in-universe propaganda piece then the extra deaths are justification... because it wouldn't look good to have the "good guys" show up and slaughter everyone without taking any losses. So they added in deaths. Then all you have to do is rewatch and mentally edit out those deaths to see the brutal remorseless one-sided slaughter that the Clone Wars was!
a lot of episodes did basically feel like there was a quantum number of clones present at any given moment depending on how many it should feel like there are in a given scene, which works in big setpiece battles like point rain with massive formations shifting around and mixing together, but not so much in these three where you take a very finite amount of troopers into a limited space actually, that’s an interesting idea. there’s often some very large supplier of droids for any given scene, like a base or an MTT or a massive background army, but how many issues like this are there with droids when there isn’t supposed to be an infinite number of them that can fill in?
I'm so glad someone finally made a video on this! I've been joking about the many resurrections of Longshot with my friends for YEARS. It makes me laugh every time I watch the Citadel arc.
"My language is sarcasm" Dude is speaking my language! Love Star Wars and you're hilarious, I also enjoy you picking at Alex 😂 especially his Star Wars Vids. I watch for your editor notes trying to keep Alex on track 😂😂
now compare it to the Aldhani-Heist in Andor. Perfectly executed math. No baddies appearing or disappearing, we know exactly how many good and bad guys there are, and thats why it feels so natural and authentic!
@@mazkeraid4039 Rebels and Resistance both suck ass. TCW is an infantilized downgrade of a masterfully written Clone Wars Storyarc by Karen Traviss, James Luceno and several Comic Authors. Andor is a brilliant dive into a characters mind with prefectly written dialogue, monologues and themes. nothing pretentious about it, it IS smart and deep! But if you prefer watching R2 and 3PO buying fruit for Padme over Mon Mothma selling her daughter for the Rebellion or Marva chosing to die for principles rather than living without.... fine. Have your simpleton-stories.
0:57 nah bro how little budget did they have 🗿🗿🗿 or maybe the animators where doing a lil trolling like giving droids off and on back packs every 2 frames
It's cool to see someone else who had an obsession with the unnamed clones, I even made headcanons about them. Like I decided that the 501st troopers who helped Anakin and Rex take out the tri droids in the beginning of the movie were Jesse, Denal, and Appo, or that the 3 212th troopers who survived the Geonosis catacombs were the ones who went to the citadel.
I was also so hyper fixated on the clones dying too LOL! I actually love to play with my Lego clone troopers, their deaths are my favorite part to reenact the way the bolts hit them and their helmets fly off is probably my favorite. The mistakes you mentioned I felt like they were there but never really put in the time to confirm, you have made my jaw drop LOL!
Great video style dude, you got wit. Halfway through I decided this guy deserves a sub, looked down expecting to see 300k or something. Your work has a quality, and a positivity even with good criticisms. Keep it up man. I think you’ll be huge fast.
I will never be able to watch those episodes the same way again... also thanks for using legos to visualize what you were talking about, I 100% would not have been able to follow without them
About animation mistakes, the clones hair often clips through helmets, which is especially weird since they don't need to have the head underneath the helmet for most shots
I've been putting off watching this video for about a week now cuz I was afraid it was gonna be a super negative video, but this was a whole lot of fun! Thanks for the video and you just got yourself a subscriber
In animation, most of the time voices are recorded first. So the "There must be a hundred" not lining g up is entirely the animators' fault. Probably cause "100 doesn't look cool"
Unsurprisingly this isn't true. Voice acting, particularly in videogames and animation, is almost always done last or otherwise near the end of a project. The production wants to spend as little as possible, and VAs are one of the biggest costs proportionally. So, they wait until the end when the plot is more finalised and unlikely to see major changes that require new voice lines. Additionally, they aim to do as few lines being cut as possible, again so that paid-for lines aren't wasted.
@@Perseus7567 it is very true. The animators can't do any body language, facial expressions, or mouth animation until they have the voice. Btw Google is free
As someone who grew up with the clone wars and rewatched some episodes a hundred times i always counted the clones and noticed some weird numbers. Nice to see someone making a video like this 🤩
I am so glad im not the only one has noticed the incredible clone inconsistency And for whatever reason it seems like there are always 4 for background climes present somehow
I thought this was gonna be a Lore video talking about the structure and the really low numbers of the clones but still a curious aspect to talk about, great video 🔥👍
Dude I could watch 10 hours of this!! Like you could make this a 100 part series and I would not get bored. Hell I’m gonna sub just in case it happens. As a kid I LOVED doing this sort of thing. Funny enough I’ve actually specifically picked through these exact episodes and came to your conclusions years ago! There’s so many good examples of this. The disappearing 212th clone in grevious intrigue, commander ponds disappearing kama etc
To be fair, the first one is the most exusable. I think nearly every Star Wars Guide that touches upon armor, weapons and equipment mentions that Phase 1, Phase 2 and Stormtrooper armor made in such way to disperse the enrgy of the shot over entire body, which will knok out the trooper, but not kill him. Those that got headshoted? Dead. Those that got shot in the body? Probably alive. Then math maths, kinda.
5:07: Keep in mind, from this side, we saw two other clones from the previos shot you showed at 3:50, where we see two living clones to the left of the door when looking towards the door (i.e. to the right when looking from the door into the room), but no clones to the right of the door when looking towards it (i.e. the left when looking from the door into the room). And in the 5:07 scene, when we look into the room from the door, we see two clones to theleft, where none should be, and blaster-shots coming in from the right side, where two clones should be.
Secretly, longshot survived getting shocked and met up with them later. It also took peel so long to rappel down that everyone passed him. Because he's short.
I just discovered your channel about an hour ago by reading the description of the last video Alex dropped about clone wars! Such a good channel bro! Congrats and love from Brazil
From my childhood, the only inaccuracy I remember pointing out live on TV was R2's droids. IDK what it is with clones but it feels okay when they are inaccurate sometimes, to me, it gives the episodes more room for headcannon and time in between scenes. But with R2, those guys were priceless, 3 of a kind, and seeing three at the end was so jarring.
I remember watching the citadel episodes really carefully as a kid, trying to keep track of all the unarmoured clones. I'm glad I'm not the only one to be bothered by it 😂 Still a great show, and great video
THE Clone Wars can't do anything properly, most of all write sound, mature stories. Clone Wars, however, was a very climactic cartoon with an expressive artstyle and didn't break any canon.
"somehow random ass clone trooper returned" still makes more sense then palpatine
No? Palpatine was known to be searching for the secret to eternal life that makes complete sense in comparison to the examples here 😂
Brother, leave
@@kadenthehuman no i was just joking but...
Both TROS and TCW is shit
@@anti-dreamstansunited3391 you know what, I’ll take it
This is a common issue in movies, like you see 10 baddies, the hero kills 50 baddies and at the end there is still 10 baddies.🤔😅
And what’s funny too is with scenes like that there’s another problem where those 10 will fight the hero one at a time instead of like fighting all at once, which is so incredibly dumb of them to do 😂
@@Aaron_Compton Honor requires it I suppose.😂
Sometimes it’s necessary for the plot and nobody but like 1 or 2 crazy people will actually give shit, those times I think it’s entirely justified, other times it wouldn’t have affected the plot and it’s just the animators being lazy, this I think is kinda garbage, but also like cmon it didn’t ruin the show by any means and for 99.9% of people it means literally nothing but probably more sleep for the animators
Still better then in got 😂😂 alle the dothraki Ride Into the White Walker and at the end "half" of them died 😅
I don't mind it that much. Instead what annoys me is the bad sense of scale. On one hand everything is really big with huge scales but at the same times everything is very small with small scales.
Take the conquests if Geonosis. Geonsis has a population of 100 billions. They are a very militaristic and are supported by a huge amount of droids.
When we see the infiltration of one of the factories in episode 2 it looks like it produces at minimum 1 battle droid a second. That is a minimum of 86 thousand drones per day. They have 7 factories like this on the planet so minimum 600 thousand new battle drones every day. Not counting the B2 and other drones.
In total Geonosis is looking at several tens of billions of defenders.
But because the republic wins one battle with 200k clones they now suddenly occupies the entire planet. Until almost a year later.
With the scales of star wars a realistic occupation of Geonosis would entail an invasion of many billions of clones and years of fighting until victory.
In rebels, I wear Sabine leaves her helmet in an exploding ship 50 times
Oh don’t even get me started on rebels inconsistencies 😂
@@Aaron_Compton We won't... but what if we were to...?
@@Aaron_Comptondo a rebels one!
Haven’t watch Rebels in a while but isn’t her armor full beskar steel? If I am correct then it should probably be able to survive those exploding ships
@@Aaron_Compton I just watched the episode with the gravity well ship, where Ezra and Sato go to find a missing Rebel ship.... Which is then completely forgotten. They don't find them in the brig, the rest of the episode is all about getting the second crew out.
I love the use of lego minifigures
legos goated
@@Aaron_Comptonas a Lego nerd🤓👆there is no legos only Lego pieces so the the correct way you should have phrase the reply is Lego pieces as are goated or Lego is goated
Fun fact (sad fact actually):
Droids are not labeled as minifigures by LEGO.
@@RealCodreX it isn't sad when you realize they always include more droids than any other characters because of this!
@@Panda-0183not to be a grammar nerd, but I’m sure he meant “Lego’s goated”
Somehow, those clone troopers returned.
😂😂
Some how Longshot returned
@@suarezfan99his survival wasn’t a long shot then?
@@glitchedsouls7593 No it was still a long shot but he returned
Damn that joke was uncalled for,but unavoidable
Finally, someone who is obsessed with unnamed random unmarked clone. I feel ya man. I feel ya.
I think Matchstick and Tag were more so meaning their ships. Instead of saying all 4 names or saying their ships, Ahsoka just said the two pilot’s names
That’s rude to the two poor gunners.
My thoughts exactly. When coordinating maneuvers you only communicate with the pilots making it likely that ahsoka didn't know their names.
Darth plagues the wise was so strong, that he could save other Clone troopers lifes.
have i told you the tragedy of Darth plagues the wise and background trooper #8261
The math for the episode with the zombie bugs can be described like this: your final answer was correct but the steps you took to get to it were not
Exactly 😂
Uhm actually, those are Geonosians!
The biggest problem with the Clone Wars TV show though: “This planet with billions of inhabitants is crucially important to the war effort so lets send like fifty clones and a couple Jedi to go capture and hold it”
Actually really surprised you don’t know about the phase three clone trooper helmets? By default they are set to buzz cut their hair every 30 seconds because of how fast it grows. Without this handy feature the helmets would pop off of their heads like a bottle rockets due to the excess hair. That’s why as soon as they are out of their armor their hair grows unchecked. Glad I could help!
Obiwan never told you what 7 minus 2 is.
He told me enough! He told me it is 5!
No! It is 3!
That's not true! That's impossible!
Search your feelings. You know it to be true!
NOOOOOO! NOOOOO!
I think the worst example for me comes in S2 Ep9, conveniently this also applies to the 212th Legion (guess Kenobi is just hiding his men above until they’re on screen). They were doing so well with having 3 men alongside Cody to keep Grievous from escaping the ship, with 2 of them dying which is perfectly represented in the shots with that sole reg being alive… Until they board into Anakin's shuttle, where that clone suddenly disappears as they’re getting on board even though he's there for the outside shot.
Where did he go?! Is he safe? Is he alright…?
Oh shit you’re right! That’s a great catch I forgot about that but you nailed it
he probably got the echo treatment
Every clone has a HUD in their helmet that gives readouts on their vitals and other important data and they are able to sync their HUDs with other clones so Cody would have been able to tell that Longshot was dead the moment his vitals dropped and Obi-Wan knows Cody well enough to likely know that if Cody isn't checking the downed trooper than that trooper is dead.
Dark af 😢
@@BRAVO0NETVthe reality of the situation.
Yes, but: I think you should still check, especially in a situation where he got fried by electricity. People get shocked and live all the time in those movies, and the shock might have just grilled the electronics.
Also both obi-wan and Yoda have been shown to be able to sense when people die through the force. Obiwans famous line about when Alderaan was destroyed “it’s as if millions of voices cried out and then were silenced “ and yoda being able to feel all the deaths during order 66 in revenge of the sith, so I’m also saying that obi-wan just felt him die and thus didn’t check on him
Were not even gonna bring up the whole 2 million clones fighting Trillions of droids. For the first stages of the war...
Yea I refuse to believe that a pathetic 3,000,000 clones fights off 100,000,000 Battle Droids. Hell even 10,000 Jedi knights is way too small for a galaxy that large, hence why I put one zero behind all three numbers. So now theirs 100,000 Jedi knights, 30 million Clones and 1 billion Battle Droids.
It's never stated but it heavily implied that sectors have their own militaries that assist in the war.
The way I immediatly knew the worst one was going to be the Citadel Arc 😭😭
Haha I love the arc but man is the math just so wrong 😂
I thought it was gonna be Umbara, honestly
The best one is probably mortis
@@pyszczq3796Umbara is full of them, but that’s fair bc of just how much is happening
@@Aaron_Compton You should make a video on all the books TCW retconned.
I have the exact same need to count the clones that live and die and noticed this happens a lot
Any episodes you know of that I missed that has this? And glad I’m not the only one!
@@Aaron_Compton The bomb squad troopers magically disappear from Mystery of the Thousand Moons, Crisis at Heart platform battle where Thorne dies has a bunch of dudes just appearing in front of him then disappearing. I think you got the most egregious ones. Also I think in background of Arc troopers episode when echo and fives are made arcs we see havoc standing in the background who should be dead and then the model later switches to Hammer
Yes, i know i was not the only one, as a child i always found it weird
it's also real fun when a math problem is retroactively created, like with what happened with The Clone Wars movie and the Obi-Wan show, in the film Rex and a few unpainted 501st clones are captured by and later make a final stand against a droid unit at the Teth monestary until they are rescued by Cody and the 212th, by the end of the fight all but Rex and a single 501st trooper are killed, season 7 implied that surving 501st trooper was Ridge, who was namedropped earlier in the film, but the release of the Obi-Wan show saw the reintroduction of Nax into canon as the homeless 501st veteran as confirmed by a visual guide, which mentions that Nax was part of the Battle of Teth (like in the film's novelization where he originally appeared), which retroactively makes the movie's math wrong, as now there are 3 501st survivors, Rex, Ridge and Nax, despite the film only showing 2, any additional generic clones are just 212th troopers that came with Cody.
See as much knowledge I have on this show, I feel like you could’ve made a better video on it 😂
Appreciate your comments man!
I realized, Ahsoka saying "we lost Matchstick and Tag" ment both ships that crashed with each other, not pilots and gunners per se, since both Matchstick and Tag were pilots introduced during brefing at the beging of the episode, both of them had unique helmets. So, when she said it she ment both those 2 pilots and both of their gunners who were generic clones
Shrodingers Clones
13:39 When Krell says "We will attack them with all our force", he's talking about the final attack on the capital. Anakin's plan, that Rex tried to persuade Krell into following was to split up the 501st into multiple squads, which would've approached and attacked the capital on different routes from the same general direction. Krell refused to split his forces, opting to lead the entire battallon along the same route, so that they are together when they reach the capital, and thus attack it from one place with all their forces.
He was not talking about attacking the road with everything they had, because they didn't even know there were Umbaran forces stationed nearby. Rex's squad went-in with the intention of secureing the road, so that the entire battallion can march along it towards the capital.
Isn’t it poetic that people can find mistakes in my video talking about mistakes 😂
Haha thanks for the info!
So in the Geonosis episode we see the two clones dragged away but not killed. What if the reoccuring extra clones are just those dragged away clones now infected by the parasite zombie worms, who crawled back from the catacombs and rejoined the squad unseen in the chaos of combat. How many clones really escaped the catacombs with their lives?
Tbh the more likely explanation is that the order the shots appear in isn’t the order they were in when they were animated but they forgot to add/remove clones when the maths no longer worked with the new order.
for the citadel arc, the bald-not bald clone was clearly wearing a wig that he took off momentaneously and put on again
Ah damn you’re right why didn’t I think of that 😂
The unmarked troopers being called expendable is hilarious considering I think Filoni's favorite Jedi is Plo Koon, and he is famous for the exchange:
"We're just clones, sir. We're meant to be expendable.'
"Not to me"
I expected a sponsorship segway at one point xd
"Poor Rex, has to cut his hair every day....
...good for him, there's MANSCAPED"
LOL
That would have been a great Segway 😂
9:40 they found a friend
7:36 I very much do the same thing, I love the extra clones, and get very sad that they just perish for literally the dumbest reasons with no other character showing any remorse or guilt.
I will say sometimes a character being absent in a shot where they should be, can be due to limitations with the character model, the most noticeable example is after Fives' death, where the shock troopers take off their helmets and stand in a circle around Anakin, Rex and Fives, in that shot Commander Fox is noticeably absent, which is most likely due to Fox never being given a helmetless appearance, always being shown with his helmet on, additionally most clone officers are given something unique about their head, especially if they are a reoccurring character, it's likely that they didn't feel that one scene at the VERY end of a single episode was enough justification to create a unique head for Fox, especially since as far as what publicly available information there is, that episode was his final appearance in the show, so they just opted to intentionally leave him out. unrelated but the clone killed alongside Denal is named "Koho"
That’s cool to know, thanks!
@@Oppen1945 would be difficult with the final shot being a bird's eye view.
Speaking of clone wars problems, the republic military structure is so wacky. They have the rank of commander, a naval rank, in the army and are missing so many regular army ranks such as colonels, 2nd lieutenants, and most NCO ranks. Worse still, they can’t make up their minds on how the structure actually works, having a captain leading an entire legion, (which was about 8,000 men), yet having a commander, who is higher ranking than a captain, leading a battalion (according to Wikipedia being between 300 and 1200 men).
So in legends the ranks are as followed:
Marshal Commander
Senior Cmdr
Regimental Cmdr
Battalion Cmdr
Major
Captain
Lt
2nd Lt
Sgt Major
Sgt
Cpl
Private/Trooper
The 501st under rex’s command isn’t the entire unit rather only a company (or so its supposed to be but TCW never cared for continuity and sucks)
@@ulty1472 To be fair, thats in legends, not even in the actual series, and it still skips several ranks such as lance corporal, and a few other sergeant ranks. And if we're assuming that the commanders replace all of the other ranks, that would mean that the actual clone army only goes up to lieutenant general, so unless they had a lot of jedi to fill the upper echelons, they've decapitated half of the leadership ranks: General, Marshal, and Field Marshal.
@@ulty1472 Feel free to correct me, as I'm probably wrong, but if this is the case (which I assume it is because it makes sense, but who knows, clone wars was wacky), then that would mean that Anakin was actually over qualified to be leading the legion, the most likely rank to be leading one being a Major General, or in our case, Marshal Commander, whereas Anakin, a Jedi General, most likely had the equivalent of the rank of General. My point on Cody still stands though. A Marshal commander should not be leading a battalion of men.
@@Purple_694 ok so marshal commander would be equivalent to major general however MCMDRs led Corps (which are analogous to US Army Division rather than US Army Corps), Legions/Brigades were led by Senior Commanders. I forgot exactly where Jedi fit into this but I believe Jedi Generals co-lead these larger units
The mystery 3rd clone was the mandatory camera guy
TCW is guilty for a lot of these types of mistakes.
They say stormtroopers have bad aim but neither the clones or the droids are better in the show. You just see them firing at eachother from 30 meters and no one seems to hit anything, especially when both are in large numbere and out in the open.
At the time of the making of these episodes, the lore was to some extent more respected than nowadays so it would make sense for Obi-Wan not to care about clones dying because they were made to be expendable.
Military tactical and strategical elements are often ignored in order to show a flashy frontal charge which shouldn't even work in the first place or some "clever trick" (war crime) that gives the republic the victory.
And I didn't even talk about how much continuity it broke even before Disney bought the franchise.
Stormtroopers having bad aim is a myth started by people who didn’t pay attention to the movies.
So, if every single Clone Trooper is also a Stealth Trooper, why don't they use that advantage a lot more often?
See that’s what I’m saying!
Now we know why they are called clone troopers, they clone and multiply even in battle. lol
This is my favorite video ever. I was obsessed with this show as a kid and I did this "math" so often everyone thought I was insane (a few years later I realized I didn't actually remember important arcs from the show because all I cared about back then were the clones). I also thought I was the only one who had an unexplained obsession with Denal and his disappearing markings so I'm so glad to finally see him finally get some acknowledgment
7:25 I think the only example when that didn't happen is in the S2 arc where an admiral (he wasn't a clone so I don't remember his name), Commander Ponds, and another clone were kidnapped by Aurra Sing. She murders Ponds but the random clone does get to live. I found it so surprising
Oh, and I haven't been diagnosed with OCD either
To save myself insanity and such, especially for the first episode, I just chalk it up to them not wanting to have a scene where they had to animate a bunch of troopers but with the amount of deaths implied they were always there
I'm pretty sure that isn't the case, but Imma go with it so I don't light myself on fire
Tho one has to say:
Seeing those regular Clones as expandables was actually a whole Part of the Show itself.
Showing that Clonetroopers were used as canonfodder by a regime which actually saw them as expandable, with caring Generals Like ObiWan or Skywalker being the exception.
Turns out that a lot of clones didnt feel guilty during Order66, as they were aware of their supposed Worth in the Eyes of the Jedi.
(Which was actually portrait in the Old StarWars Battlefront II Campaign or the Republic Commandos Storys)
I like to see this as a way of cinematic means, as I think the Clones themselves told the Storys of the Clonewars.
So whenever they faced Combat, nobody was exactly sure How many of their Clone comrades were actually still alive or even present when a firefight took Place.
But thats Just my own humble opinion.
Edit: Well okay ObiWan does not really care about Clones ngl
I appreciate your thoughts!
there were plenty of jedi that saw their clones as true comrades, there just happened to be more dumb jedi or inexperienced jedi or willingly ready to use the clones as cannon fodder jedi, sometimes a mix
@@nathancarter7020 best example would be Ayla Secura.
She is always to be discribed as loyal by her Clones.
But there is way more negative examples then good ones
@codytain6064 unfortunately yes. I still prefer the idea before the clone wars TV show where the clones didn't have a chip in them
I will pleasure myself to the infographic at 23:30 for the rest of my life. Also this arc didn't have enough Jar Jar.
You scare me
We need the next reaction to clone wars ASAP!!!!
6:16 Disney probably spent more money on the Merchandise of the sequels than the sequels themselves
Bro lives his life with no object permanence.
Yes, yes I do
"rookies" has a battalion of droids show up, but it's like less than 200
0:13 its funny, a video about mistakes making a mistake about one of the mistakes. They've said it wasnt a starbucks but a local cafe
Ah fuck my math wasn’t mathing 😂
The citadel one was the first time I noticed that the math wasn’t mathing. Always fun to catch inconsistencies in your favourite show :)
Now you have me thinking.
If SWTCW is an in-universe propaganda piece then the extra deaths are justification... because it wouldn't look good to have the "good guys" show up and slaughter everyone without taking any losses. So they added in deaths.
Then all you have to do is rewatch and mentally edit out those deaths to see the brutal remorseless one-sided slaughter that the Clone Wars was!
That’s math right there
It also helps smooth over issues it caused in the old EU (now legends)
Or they didn't have enough extras, so despite lowering the deaths to make the heroes more heroic, they still have incorrect math
When characters in movies/shows leave their bag/special weapon/gadget behind and somehow get it later
Another prequel meme to add to my collection.
😂
Probably Palps told em the tragedy of darth plagueis and they actually learned something not like Anakin SkyWanker
O7 my unnamed troopers! 😂😅
o7 for those troops 🫡
a lot of episodes did basically feel like there was a quantum number of clones present at any given moment depending on how many it should feel like there are in a given scene, which works in big setpiece battles like point rain with massive formations shifting around and mixing together, but not so much in these three where you take a very finite amount of troopers into a limited space
actually, that’s an interesting idea. there’s often some very large supplier of droids for any given scene, like a base or an MTT or a massive background army, but how many issues like this are there with droids when there isn’t supposed to be an infinite number of them that can fill in?
I'm so glad someone finally made a video on this! I've been joking about the many resurrections of Longshot with my friends for YEARS. It makes me laugh every time I watch the Citadel arc.
Ah yes, Schrodinger's Clone trooper
That dad joke at 17:01 is what got me! Like dang! 😂 Thumbs Up for sure!
now this is the kind of high quality investigative journalism i can really get behind
"My language is sarcasm" Dude is speaking my language! Love Star Wars and you're hilarious, I also enjoy you picking at Alex 😂 especially his Star Wars Vids. I watch for your editor notes trying to keep Alex on track 😂😂
now compare it to the Aldhani-Heist in Andor. Perfectly executed math. No baddies appearing or disappearing, we know exactly how many good and bad guys there are, and thats why it feels so natural and authentic!
It's a live action series, so meh...
@@mazkeraid4039 stick to your infantilized animated shows then....
@Cyro_2235 If you mean Rebels and Resistance, forget it. Star Wars is no stranger to maturity, Andor is just pretentious and grounded.
@@mazkeraid4039 Rebels and Resistance both suck ass. TCW is an infantilized downgrade of a masterfully written Clone Wars Storyarc by Karen Traviss, James Luceno and several Comic Authors.
Andor is a brilliant dive into a characters mind with prefectly written dialogue, monologues and themes. nothing pretentious about it, it IS smart and deep! But if you prefer watching R2 and 3PO buying fruit for Padme over Mon Mothma selling her daughter for the Rebellion or Marva chosing to die for principles rather than living without.... fine. Have your simpleton-stories.
Its definitely easier to have consistent characters in life action
0:57 nah bro how little budget did they have 🗿🗿🗿 or maybe the animators where doing a lil trolling like giving droids off and on back packs every 2 frames
Maybe Matchstick and Tag are the two pilots, and gunners just didn't get mentioned. #justiceforgunners
14:06 They forgot to animate that droid's blaster.
It's cool to see someone else who had an obsession with the unnamed clones, I even made headcanons about them. Like I decided that the 501st troopers who helped Anakin and Rex take out the tri droids in the beginning of the movie were Jesse, Denal, and Appo, or that the 3 212th troopers who survived the Geonosis catacombs were the ones who went to the citadel.
I was also so hyper fixated on the clones dying too LOL! I actually love to play with my Lego clone troopers, their deaths are my favorite part to reenact the way the bolts hit them and their helmets fly off is probably my favorite. The mistakes you mentioned I felt like they were there but never really put in the time to confirm, you have made my jaw drop LOL!
Great video style dude, you got wit. Halfway through I decided this guy deserves a sub, looked down expecting to see 300k or something. Your work has a quality, and a positivity even with good criticisms. Keep it up man. I think you’ll be huge fast.
One of the best comments I’ve gotten, thank you so much!
cant wait to never see the episodes the same way
I’m sorry to do that to you 😂
I will never be able to watch those episodes the same way again... also thanks for using legos to visualize what you were talking about, I 100% would not have been able to follow without them
7:23 ONLY ONE?
YES! FINALLY! I've been talking to people about the citadel episode for years with no confirmation. You have finally proved I'm not crazy. Thank you!
Haha you’re welcome!
Next time you watch clone wars, remember 1 Venator is supposed to be able to beat 5 Munificent frigates.
About animation mistakes, the clones hair often clips through helmets, which is especially weird since they don't need to have the head underneath the helmet for most shots
I've been putting off watching this video for about a week now cuz I was afraid it was gonna be a super negative video, but this was a whole lot of fun! Thanks for the video and you just got yourself a subscriber
Awesome vid man. Your growth is remarkable btw.
Thank you so much!
A) They are clones... so they clone themselves.
B) Clone Commanders have special ability to spawn new basic troops.
C) The Clone Wars Can't Math.
this is the hard hitting journalism America needs right now...
😂😂
13:46 tell me you play EAW without telling me you play EAW
There is a logical explanation for all of these.
The Force.
The Force is the plot contrivance that makes the plot happen.
Also
Enjoyed the video. Much funny.
Aww damn you’re right
yep. Clearly Anakin & Obi-Wan were summoning new clone troopers at will. Explains why Obi-Wan never cared when his clones died.
"That's not how the force works"
In animation, most of the time voices are recorded first. So the "There must be a hundred" not lining g up is entirely the animators' fault. Probably cause "100 doesn't look cool"
Unsurprisingly this isn't true. Voice acting, particularly in videogames and animation, is almost always done last or otherwise near the end of a project. The production wants to spend as little as possible, and VAs are one of the biggest costs proportionally. So, they wait until the end when the plot is more finalised and unlikely to see major changes that require new voice lines. Additionally, they aim to do as few lines being cut as possible, again so that paid-for lines aren't wasted.
@@Perseus7567 it is very true. The animators can't do any body language, facial expressions, or mouth animation until they have the voice. Btw Google is free
each clone has a cloning facility built in.
o7 to the brothers we lost throughout the war 😔
Clones: were meant to be expendable. Aaron: not to me.
As someone who grew up with the clone wars and rewatched some episodes a hundred times i always counted the clones and noticed some weird numbers. Nice to see someone making a video like this 🤩
I am so glad im not the only one has noticed the incredible clone inconsistency
And for whatever reason it seems like there are always 4 for background climes present somehow
7:30 “we’re just clones sir, we’re meant to be expendable.”
This guy when he was 9: Not to me
I thought this was gonna be a Lore video talking about the structure and the really low numbers of the clones but still a curious aspect to talk about, great video 🔥👍
I like how you used Bolt for the boom mic.
Dude I could watch 10 hours of this!! Like you could make this a 100 part series and I would not get bored. Hell I’m gonna sub just in case it happens. As a kid I LOVED doing this sort of thing. Funny enough I’ve actually specifically picked through these exact episodes and came to your conclusions years ago! There’s so many good examples of this. The disappearing 212th clone in grevious intrigue, commander ponds disappearing kama etc
Glad you enjoyed it so much! And thank you for the sub! I’ll definitely consider doing another one of these 😁
Can we give a ct from these episodes who hasnt been named yet the nickname chell after the main character from portal
Since they keep teleporting
Somehow those clone troopers return also great video
clone wars was so powerful and so wise, it could keep the ones it cared about...from dieing!
But for reals though, I thought this was pretty interesting and I'm glad you took the time to check it all out
To be fair, the first one is the most exusable. I think nearly every Star Wars Guide that touches upon armor, weapons and equipment mentions that Phase 1, Phase 2 and Stormtrooper armor made in such way to disperse the enrgy of the shot over entire body, which will knok out the trooper, but not kill him.
Those that got headshoted? Dead. Those that got shot in the body? Probably alive. Then math maths, kinda.
You know your fans well lol. I was about to comment on the shirt 😂 great video m8!
this is the star wars youtube content I love
5:07: Keep in mind, from this side, we saw two other clones from the previos shot you showed at 3:50, where we see two living clones to the left of the door when looking towards the door (i.e. to the right when looking from the door into the room), but no clones to the right of the door when looking towards it (i.e. the left when looking from the door into the room). And in the 5:07 scene, when we look into the room from the door, we see two clones to theleft, where none should be, and blaster-shots coming in from the right side, where two clones should be.
Math is not a verb
It is when I use it
Secretly, longshot survived getting shocked and met up with them later. It also took peel so long to rappel down that everyone passed him. Because he's short.
So basically Legacy of Terror was "You used the wrong formula and still got the right answer"
I just discovered your channel about an hour ago by reading the description of the last video Alex dropped about clone wars! Such a good channel bro! Congrats and love from Brazil
Thank you so much! And shoutout to Brazil! That’s awesome 😁
Fun fact, turret guy is named Koho
Oh cool thanks! Where’d you learn that btw?
@@Aaron_Compton it was in the episode guide for the episode back in the day, and he’s remained named in Disney canon due to that
From my childhood, the only inaccuracy I remember pointing out live on TV was R2's droids. IDK what it is with clones but it feels okay when they are inaccurate sometimes, to me, it gives the episodes more room for headcannon and time in between scenes. But with R2, those guys were priceless, 3 of a kind, and seeing three at the end was so jarring.
Rise Of Skywalker shirt: "Its Treason Then" 😈
I remember watching the citadel episodes really carefully as a kid, trying to keep track of all the unarmoured clones. I'm glad I'm not the only one to be bothered by it 😂 Still a great show, and great video
THE Clone Wars can't do anything properly, most of all write sound, mature stories.
Clone Wars, however, was a very climactic cartoon with an expressive artstyle and didn't break any canon.