The Broken Lore of The Force Awakens (Part 1)
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
- From the opening crawl until our first glimpse of sand. Join us for the first installment of our The Force Awakens diagnosis. We won't lie about your chances: the situation is looking a little grim.
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Narration recorded in partnership with THE WARDROBE (IG: @wardobestudionz).
#00:00 INTRO
#03:29 Part 1: Opening Scrawl
#13:03 Part 2a: Dark On Both Sides
#24:51 Part 2b: Shuttle Stability
#28:12 Part 3: A Real Imitation Astrodroid
#41:09 OUTRO - Розваги
The Force Awakens killed Star Wars for me, it died when Rey was showing up Han Solo in his own ship and Luke skywalker was a coward who left his friends
I thought the real sin with Han was how they made him an asshole who didn't care that his crew got eaten by the cargo. Just sociopathic. From badass to bad boss in less than 12 parsecs.
Bingo!
It’s got to be unfortunate being a grown man with such vulnerability
@@FullScreenTV_aren't you supposed to tell us how sophisticated and understated and smart the last jedi is?
@@jiggycalzone8585 the fact you think I must be some last Jedi fanboy is hilarious and perfectly emblematic of what I’m saying. TLJ is ok, ROS is awful, and TFA is quite decent, but still nothing compared to any older stuff or Andor
5:57 Luke "I think I died, and then she stole Uncle Owen's farm, and then started using my surname." It's actually offensive that this is the official lore
Don't forget she also stole Han's ship, with Chewie and Lando both right there.
@@jacksmythe2187she is protagonist so she is allowed to do anything, apparently
but disney cringewriters forgot to ask people if that so
@@AtticusKarpenter White Woman in 2012+ steals everything unchallenged = PROVES MYSOGYNY BC Disney is re(dacted) and doesn't understand they're the best argument that nothing they claim is accurate to the World.
I died
lol, it's fun that you found written records of them really not caring about anything except how cute it would be
Really hammers home how much of a soulless cash grab these movies really are
To be fair, calling it “The Third Order” probably wouldn’t go over well
I don't see why. That would complete the extremely lame and lazy metaphor Disney was going for
What, unlike the explicitly nazi coded empire in the OT?
Idk, I think it'd be pretty on the nose.
They literally do a seig heil in the movie.
Yes but that was 40 years ago, was handled much differently, and in the grad scheme of things fits into Lucas‘ use of real life political situations in star wars, all across the saga
The third kingdom maybe?
"I was horrible, Obi-wan."
"Don't worry Luke, I had the same nightmare as yours last night."
Obi-Wan just can't believe how badly he aged from the time of his adventure with Leia and Reva to ANH. It was only ten years but he turned into an 80 year old.
that would make me worry more, not less
@@cjraymond8827 Alec Guinness was 61-62 when he filmed the original Star Wars. You clearly have no idea what an 80 year old looks like.
@@dudujencarelliExaggeration, yes, he was 63, but Ewan McGregor was 34 in ROTS, which means he was 52 by the time Luke turned 18 in ANH. That’s no 52 year old in ANH.
Imagine if BB8 was legitimately worse at his job as a droid than R model droids, and people made fun of Poe for that, but because he like BB8 so much he was willing to mod his x wing to fit a smaller droid.
Sounds like a good idea. I really like the BB8 design, but it's stupid that it's considered a replacement for an R droid.
I like especially that it's a weird concept that actually can work irl, as seen by many robot bb8s made by fans
It would be cool if normally it was a less capable droid but Poe or some other character upgraded it, just like Anakin upgraded artoo.
And it would also be great if they in lcorporated some of the logic into the movie. Like make it bad at rolling in the sand and they have to find another solution. Or maybe it has another trick up it's sleeves
@@DrTheRich bb could have opened their tool hatches to scoop its way over the sand like dune tires do, this would have shown bb as resourceful and allowed for some comic relief of Rey shaking the sand out of his ports upon finding him and then carrying him in her arms or on a sled back to town, could even have him still have some sand in him when they enter the falcon from the escape scene and leaving a trail as he tries to shake it out and have that trail be what leads Han to there hiding spot, man the really lost so many potential scenes and character building by ignoring the design problems of bb
What was used in other X-wings in the sequels?
I still think BB-8 doesn't belong in the Sequel Trilogy at all (even though he's probably the best character) and would work better in an anthology story.
@@occam7382 My read was that it wasn't made for the same purpose as the R2 series. To mee it made more sense as an internal repair droid since it can move around in tight spaces a human engineer can't.
"...I think I died, and then she stole Uncle Owen's farm... and then started using my surname... I don't think I'll sleep again." 😂😂
Those were my thoughts exactly by the end of RoS.
She got the saber(s), the x wing, the falcon, the farm, the name, the powers, the legacy.
I was in a theatre where this jackass in front of me (by several rows, the theatre was near to empty) was making these fist-waving, fist-pumping, "triumph" type gestures. As soon as the credits began, I yelled as loud as I could "oh, fukk off". Being a basso profundo, I knew he would hear me over the music. The look on his face was one of disbelief and despair. When I got out of the theatre, I muttered just loudly enough for him (and people in the line to get into the theatre to see it) to hear, "every real Star Wars fan is going to want to kill JackassJackass painfully".
The theatre staff were shocked for a moment, saw it was me (I used to have some notoriety there), and just shrugged in resignation.
@@jiggycalzone8585lmao. I'm not a star wars fan, I'm into star trek. But for once we have a common problem. These talentless disgusting hacks have ruined our favorite franchises.
@@jiggycalzone8585 and buried it in the sand 😂
Every time I see the scene I can't think of anything but the thing that's waiting in the bushes.
I was accused of nitpicking when I pointed out at Galaxy's Edge in Florida, the moisture vaporators were surrounded by puddles of water. My point was that Disney didn't understand SW. All they knew was moisture vaporators looked like a Star Wars thing, so just throw it in. The fact that the disastrous Star Wars hotel shut down proves my point.
I mean tbf that is pretty nitpicky
Nope.@@mrcheese5383
@@mrcheese5383it really isn't. As a kid that would've been horrid to see. They're one of the iconic pieces of technology from the first film.
@@mrcheese5383It's the STAR WARS hotel, the *entire* point of it was to draw in SW fans.
Like, puddles made by rain? That's a bit out of their control isn't it? Lol
I think the big problem I have with the First Order (and the sequels in general, although TLJ is noticeably less guilty of this) is that there's nothing new kit-wise, it's all just derivatives of OT stuff. The idea of the Imperial style faction being the underdog would be a great opportunity to give us some new ships or troops more fitting of their role, like a flotilla of smaller picket ships rather than ships of the line. Or an evolution of the Tie Interceptor that gives them a fighter which can compete or even defeat an X-Wing. Seeing an enemy who has learned from the Rebellion and is actually deploying their tactics against our heroes would have been an entertaining new twist, and would have sold a lot more reference books...
I wish they changed the stormtroopers more. Clone troopers and OT troopers look quite different, but First Order troopers have smoother helmets and sometimes look like they have tactical vests, and that’s it.
@@whyiwakeup6460 there's a piece of concept art where the FO troopers look more like Scout Troopers and I think that would be a cool direction to have taken it. Like it's still an evolution from the Empire, but it's more of an elite tactical force
Pedantic, I know, but TIE fighters already had defeated X-Wings at a rate similar to casualties taken, as seen over the Death Star. While the ship was undoubtedly inferior the pilot program was extremely intense for the Empire and Imperial fighters were dangerous. It took time for the Rebel Alliance to be able to counter the Imperial TIE Fighter effectively and was heavily boosted through defectors who brought some of the standards of Imperial fighter tactics and skill. The TIE Interceptor was a comparable ship to Rebel fighters and better in the anti-fighter role than the X-wing, comparable to an A-wing sacrificing shields for greater firepower and maneuverability. The TIE Defender was an all around superior ship, but too resource intensive and requiring too much retooling to ever be made the standard, it also was far too much for purpose as a standard ship since the Empire relied on fighters for screening and not as the main thrust like the Rebellion did up until the end of the war.
While it would be neat thematically and stylistically to see how the Empire developed a fighter-focused approach it wouldn't work particularly well within the setting and would feel almost alien honestly to what the Empire is, not in the good way of new and exciting but in the more subversive sense in my opinion. For the Empire to be on the backfoot we'd likely rather see more things like Thrawn's approach to fleets. It would be far too much of a demand to ask the Empire, especially one out of power, to fully retool the entirety of fleets and strategies for a fighter-focused approach. Rather, it would need to continue utilizing the big ships but use them as efficiently as possible and be a little more focused on ships of the Victory-class scale rather than Imperial-class, much like what we see in the Expanded Universe when the Imperial Remnant is at its weakest in the later stages.
@@pubcle except the First Order *is not* the Empire, nor are they an Imperial Remnant. They only need to have an aesthetic continuation with the Empire, they do not (and in my opinion shouldn't have) utilised the same tactics and strategies. Yes, having the bad guys have superior fighters to the heroes would be subversive, that's the point. It's supposed to make them feel like a threat.
I hate that they are already a big thing apparently at the start of the movie. And already be able to destroy the entire new republic before we even got to know it. I think it was more fun if they were a newly growing threat. With the new republic failing to stop it growing due maybe infighting or hubris, or demilitarization. And then maybe at the end of the second movie everyone would be put into place when the new threat turns out to be capable enough to destroy a planet. Leaving a devastated, demoralized republic to scramble to protect its existence.
I appreciate the use of the expanded universe as canon. A fellow true-believer.
The Expanded universe is true canon of Star Wars except the Disney LUCASFiLM canon timeline is so 💩 story telling.🖕🏼❌💩🤖👻☠️🗑🕳
They already had something that had existed unchanged for decades, and they just threw it in the garbage. As far as I'm concerned, if it didn't come directly from the Maker himself, then whatever the EU says is canon... for the most part.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith We can all agree to toss the hypno gun and the Hand of Vader into the trash can but with a few hiccups in a collection of 800 books the EU is a masterstroke of creation. It had less consistency errors across the sum total, which also contained around 1100 comics and 80 video games, than Disney had in a single trilogy.
@@pubcle And Triclops. Don't forget about Triclops. Luuuke should probably be renamed, too.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith Triclops is from The Hand of Vader, that's the book he's in.
I never get tired of people taking pot shots at J.J.
The funny thing is I knew he was a disaster before most.
I watched Fringe.
@@mikoto7693 - I really liked Fringe and Alias. Maybe if he had stuck to television things would have been better.
Although there was also Lost.
A decade and a half and many rewatchings later, I still think JJ-Trek is complete garbage. I cant think of anything positive to say about it. It sapped my excitement about new Trek content so much that I still havent gotten around to watching any of the new series.
@@RictusHolloweye The funny thing is that I liked the first two seasons of Fringe, found the third… a curious mix of fascinating and unpleasant. It’s actually quite difficult to pin down exactly what I don’t like about JJ Abrams productions.
It felt all a bit nonsensical. By S3 I was getting tired of the tediously slow drip feed of information, frustrated with how the enemies were always several steps ahead of the good guys. I mean they kidnapped Walter at some point and somehow magically knew that he’d implanted a tracking implant under his skin and removed it in a public bathroom.
It was exactly the same in one of the NuTrek movies of his where that woman-turned-alien so easily duped the Enterprise into a trap. I’m 90% certain that the way he lovingly demanded excessive screen time and detail into the destruction of the iconic Enterprise was a deliberate proverbial middle finger to the fans. That and the destruction of Vulcan. Probably a few other things I’ve mercifully forgotten.
His love of lens flare was obvious even in Fringe. Anyway I was growing increasingly frustrated during the third season, it felt like everything was coming off the rails and getting increasingly daft and nonsensical. In early S4 when I realised that he’d thrown away the original “blue” universe, the characters and events of all the previous seasons I was done.
I did wiki the eventual ending some years later, and I remain proud that I parsed all the nonsense early on had the Observers pegged as the eventual “big bad” in… uh… I forget. Late S1 or early S2 when the Fringe team chased a briefcase but lost it to the bad guys *again.* I’m still amazed that one man managed to almost singlehandedly destroy two franchises I liked with Star Wars and Star Trek.
Still, by watching Fringe we can boast of having seen Meghan Markle before she met Prince Harry. It’s just a shame she did something so bad behind the scenes that she got fired so fast that she was only in two episodes and the writing/production team didn’t even spare a line of dialogue to explain why her character disappeared. They just behaved like she never existed.
On the assault lander: If atmospheric turbulence can affect the lander, WHY ARE THEY STANDING
All other shuttles/landing craft minus LAAT/i Gunships have seats. Those Gunships still provide artificial gravity/inertial dampeners, Clones use magnetic boots to help maintain footing and hand supports over head(although like we see in Ep2, getting shot may affect the dampeners and artificial gravity to help keep troops on, since one Clone and Padme fell off). Gunships were designed more for deployment in high or low altitude and not explicitly great or designed for the transition from space to planetary atmospheres (although they have been known to do that still).
UM The force 🤓
Yeah, they should have some sort of seat, or at least a belt. Magnetic boots and hand rails are fine, but isn't an excuse for proper security.
A neat idea would have been if the manufacturer of the Imperial Interrogation Droid also created the BB unit as a PR move to improve their company's image in the post-Imperial era, hence the overly manipulative and cynical attempt to appear "cute". It'd also explain why the Not-Empire uses the same type of droid, and why both styles of droid share the same basic spherical design. In fact, it's like you took one of those interrogation droids, stripped out the repulsors and just slapped a miniature R2 head on top of it.
That actually would make an incredible amount of sense... BB-9E really does just look like an interrogation droid without the needles, now that you mention it.
The problem with that is that it's an internal Imperial department, not an actual company 😢
@@user-yq9im9dk9z Could easily be a sub faction of the Empire that split off after the civil war, unless there's lore that says otherwise, of course.
I imagine the empire had subcontractors in its more remote sectors, and the BB units could have been their attempt at pacifying New Republic leaders to avoid getting the book thrown at them during warcrime trials. Pull a ‘Nazi Scientists at NASA’ and explain how these firms and scientists from the Empire make their way into both government and corporate firms, and while some stay loyal, others end up supporting the FO/evil faction replacement and supplying these droids to them via shell companies and smuggling.
That dream sequence was great, had me doubled over laughing. Nice one.
"She had a head like a cinder block" 😂
My favorite part was hearing AI Mark Hamill straight up say “buttfuck nowhere”!🤣🤣🤣
This is how they could explain away the dreadful sequels
lol !!!! just brilliant !
I LOVE going to the theater to watch a movie only to be thrown into near pitch black scenes where I can barely see anything
Even better at home in lit room on lcd screen with low view angle sitting on the coach. Likely conditions for any streaming show they creators does not understand.
i mean, cinemas work fairly well with dark scenes, have fun watching the darkness on tv lol
Or watching an atmospherically dark movie in a room where some asshole insists on having a light on especially back in the pre-digital age on a CRT!🤬
inspired GoT Winterfell
Ah yes, JJ darkness, the visual counterpart to Christopher Nolan sound design.
You know you're in for a good time when the bread circus talks about lights and robots for 40 minutes straight
This is rapidly becoming one of the best dedicated Star Wars channels on UA-cam.
I am foaming at the mouth for the bread circus analysis of space footwear
@@pcarrierorange same here lol
23:34 The first order sinking its ENTIRE budget into superweapons and scrimping on lighting is mildly amusing I have to say.
And tracks with the behavior of the actual Nazis. The V2 was a failure as a means of prosecuting the war. They were staggeringly expensive, one-time use, spent resources they had limited supplies of (including human lives, when you consider the death toll among the slaves they forced to build the things), and could never level a city the way a fleet of Allied bombers could. What they were was racist propaganda meant to prove the "superiority of German intellects."
Similarly, Death Stars and their ilk are worthless as weapons. Once everyone knows you have such a thing, the galaxy becomes ungovernable. Everyone with any resources will gladly sink them into rebellion, as failure means your entire world is permanently at risk. And you can't just go around vaporizing every planet which rebels, because then you'll be left with an empire of ash unable to support your space infrastructure. All the Death Star does is make the Empire feel unstoppable. It doesn't actually provide unstoppability.
@@Frommerman Eh, "get caught, get got" as a motive to proactively crack down on your own dissenters was the theory, and I understand that.
@@DIEGhostfish Except that doesn't work even in the real world. People keep committing capital crimes even when the punishment is death because deterrence is ineffective. If you want to prevent murder, improve people's material conditions past the point where murder ever seems like the only way out. If you want to prevent rebellion, be a polity which people have no reason to rebel against.
But empires can't accept that. Because if they did they'd stop being empires.
@Frommerman Deterence is incredibly effective on a smart enough population, but needs to be increasingly swift as intelligence goes down and time preference shortens. Though not so much for the practice of basic sapient liberties.
@@FrommermanThe Death Star was more a political tool than a weapon, and starkiller wiped out the entire republic military (obviously awfully convenient for restarting a rebel and empire dynamic) but in universe these weapons were far from worthless.
Personally I'm not sure I buy the idea Disney was trying to go avoid doing anything the PT did. I think the explanation for Episode 7 is much simpler. Disney's main goal was to make money, so they wanted to make a safe movie, so they just made Episode 4 again.
One revelation I came to recently, is the sequel trilogy is in fact not a trilogy and we should not be calling it such. Lucas made two trilogies and he planned at least some aspects of them from the start. The PT especially had to be done this way so it would line up with the OT. There are surprisingly few plot holes that result so I think Lucas did a pretty good job with that. Of course some details were obviously filled in on the fly... Darth Vader being Luke's father, Leia being Luke's sister were both obviously come up with when making the movies when they were revealed. As far as the ST goes, we see Rey's parentage flip flop in all three movies to being important to not important to important again, as an example. There was no big arc, just a desperate attempt in Episode 9 when Disney realized they had forgotten to make one. Without that big arc, that singular story being told over three movies, it's not a trilogy, just three movies ordered chonologically.
Yeah, if they would've done the sequels as one long story, cut into three semi-independent parts, it would've been more coherent.
It’s always a good day when the bread and circus is in town
Give them bread and circuses. 🍞 🎪
Imagine watching BB8 roll back and forth trying to get the right tool hatch into a position where it can actually use it and still be close enough to reach the thing it's trying to interact with.
See, that would be good comic relief. Even better if other characters point out how bad the design is.
Three things that destroy a sci-fi movie.
1. Lighting problems.
2. Bad dialog.
3. Disney
I was reading the “expanded universe” books and comics as a young kid. The fact that Disney disregarded all of these stories is a spit in the face. It bothered me when I found out they didnt want anything to do with those stories, and I knew right then, how bad these movies would be.
I never bought or read another Star Wars novel after that and I had an entire bookshelf worth of them. Almost every book released outside of the youth oriented series.
Hell, I thought the Han Solo Trilogy would have been great, they could have probably cut that down to 2 books and still done Rogue One with his ex.
It would have been a big improvement on Solo and probably a downgrade on R1... but I'd habe been happy
And then even after insisting that the sequels were only as soulless and disjointed as they were because “there was nothing to pull from”, they go and grab EU character after EU character and water them all down and drain them of everything that made them interesting characters to begin with.
Kathleen Kennedy and every single executive under her is fucking pathetic.
I remember the view that TFA was anti-Prequels from So Uncivilized's Anti-Trilogy video. That was a good video.
That dream sequence is way better than all of Disney's Star Wars, good job! 🤣
Even Andor?
In EU, we have the Imperial Remnants and I was hoping for this First Order to be a new and improved version of that. Imperial extremists who live in secrecy in the deepest reaches of known and habited space finally making a huge collaborative move is a good idea for a new and interesting enemy faction. The problem is that they are already so powerful and are seemingly fighting for nothing but killing all that resembles the republic and good policy. Disney's New Republic must have been ran by First Order spies and incompetent individuals because they did all the wrong moves that left them very vulnerable to be just being decimated by a faction running off of repainted old tech, slave labor new tech, and plenty of Fascist like rage over honestly nothing. They are, after all, generic evil bad guys with anger issues and new toys. And now, by the time the first movie is finished, the New Republic is nothing, several planets are destroyed, and hate and insanity rule the galaxy. The fact that the "Resistance" can even muster some fortunate in battle is very unrealistic.
But here's the thing, lore didn't matter with these movies. What mattered was that they found a way to bring everything back to square one. We could have a new dynamic in Star Wars. We needed the good guys to be scrappy underdogs and the bad guys to be a huge and terrifying threat.
Sorry, I think this approach that Disney Wars took just really rubs me the wrong way. I could bitch about it for hours because there was a lot of good the writers could have done.
Actually, the New Republic _was_ ran by spies and incompetent individuals. That's Canon, lol. It's also the only reason they could think of to explain Jar Jar's writing in TFA.
The Force Awakens lost me when the Red Beam of Death destroyed Not-Coruscant. It was at that point I stopped caring about the movie... sat back watched it and never had an interest in watching the rest of the trilogy.
All Jar Jar had to do was...
1. Have Luke train Jedi
2. Have Han and Leia together
3. Present a threat for the New Republic to deal with
4. Learn from the mistakes of the Prequels
We ended up with none of that... as you said, Jar Jar couldn't even use the lore... he had to reinvent everything for fancy scenes...
I understand that they wanted the scrappy protagonist underdogs vs expansive opposition thing but they could’ve done that without being completely stupid.
For instance. “After the Battle of Endor with the combination of lack of military high command still alive resulting in infighting and also wide scale uprising across the galaxy resulted in the empire fracturing into remnant territories. After the formation of the new republic the remnant forces fell into a temporary alliance to oppose the new republic’s rapid expansion across the galaxy. After an arduous and bloody war between the new republic and the imperial remnant alliance it ended in a stalemate. Both sides negotiated a peace treaty with one of the conditions being a mutual disarmament.
The resistance are officially a group of insurgent factions from within the imperial remnant territories that fight against the local remnant factions. But in actuality they’re a covert new republic intelligence-backed paramilitary organization who’s leadership is largely made up of galactic civil war veterans. The resistance basically exists for the new republic to combat and destabilize remnant territories whilst maintaining plausible deniability and thus preventing a unified imperial remnant alliance from occurring again.
The first order was originally a small extremist remnant faction near the furthest edge of the outer rim which was largely regarded as insignificant by both the republic and other remnant factions. But suddenly, seemingly out of nowhere, they had a massive growth in military power and started annexing other remnant territories into a consolidated imperial faction. If they aren’t stopped now then it very well may result in yet another war between a unified imperial faction and the new republic.
Literally took me like 5 minutes to come up with lmao.
But, you see, that doesn't fit Disney's politics.
Using insurgents as a way to destabilize other political regions would rub leftist Disney viewers the wrong way.
@@sirshotty7689 Holy shit that was absolute FIRE!!!
The idea of the New Republic running the Resistance as a proxy military group is fantastic AND makes way more sense in context, especially in regards to the name! And the movies could have had a ton of cold war shit going on between the two factions while the big action would be used when fighting the upstart, aggressive faction!
@@jemm113 thanks for the compliment. I mostly just took general concepts from the writers setting and tried to implement it into the galaxy in a way that could make sense. I’d say It still needs a bit of workshopping but as a rough idea I like it. It was mostly inspired by things like Operation Cyclone and the Contra War, so yeah, heavy Cold War inspirations there.
31:18 - Every little hatch on R2-D2's body offers possibility!
- Lando Calrisian enters the chat!
While most people were celebrating The Force Awakens, the moment they Killed Han Solo, and then when they land, Leia brushes right past Chewie to hug Rey, I knew they had killed SW. I had no idea that they were going to do the job so thoroughly that TFA would be by far the best of the three 😂😢.
They excitedly killed one of the goldenest geese of all time.
True. That moment was bull***t. It wouldve shown a great arc for Leia. Remember when she couldn't stand to walk alongside Chewy? If she embraced Chewy in a big, sorrowful hug after Hans death, that wouldve been beautiful
@LukeLovesRose - Totally. And it would have *made sense.*
Regardless of how she felt about him, she knew how He felt about Han. She knew Han trusted him enough that when he was going into the Carbonite, that's who he asked to protect her. She knew he and Han had rolled together for Decades. And, they knew Rey for about 3 days at that point and they choose to have Leia act like Rey's the one Really affected, TOTALLY ignoring Chewie. It's SO ridiculous.
@@SamM-gl9zc Leia gives Chewy a hug after they escape from the Death Star in A New Hope. When Han and Luke leave the cockpit to man the guns, Leia is left to assist Chewy in copiloting the ship. They experience adversity together and come through it, so she warms to him. It’s very simple writing but it works because it’s something we can relate to on a basic human level (or humanoid in Chewy’s case 😊).
Then at the beginning of Jedi, they go to Jabba’s palace to rescue Han, with Chewy posing as Leia’s prisoner. To put themselves into such a dangerous situation together shows that their relationship is well established at this point and it’s obvious they care about and trust each other.
Which only adds to the travesty you are referring to. With everything they’ve been through, Leia and Chewy would be the first to embrace each other and bawl their eyes out over their shared loss. The Disney trilogy disrespects the original trilogy characters and their bonds so much, it’s disgusting.
Omg I'm so happy you're talking about this film. I believe you've got the title wrong I think it's
"The New Hope cover band starring KK and the JJ's"
i love the "from his nap" bit, you should release it as a short!
the only possible solution for the invisible star destroyer problem in the beginning I can think of is that the light source is between the planet and the ship, somehow
Even then, Star Destroyers usually have lights and portholes/windows.
Your thinking of lighting in atmosphere. In space there’s nothing to bounce the light around, at least not really. If you were looking flat on at a cube in space, with the sun ever so slightly to the front of you, you wouldn’t be able to see any of the cube at all, it would just be a ‘hole’ in the stars.
In the shot with the start destroyer the sun is clearly somewhere in front of the camera and to the left, so the vast majority of the star destroyer would be in the “hard shadow” of space and would have no light on it at all. Granted, you should probably still be able to see a tiny sliver of the left side of the destroyer, but it’s hard to get that precise of an angle measurement from just that one shot.
@1armbiker it's not that deep... this is a movie series about space wizards
My suggestion would be a sort of new cloaking tech.
Imagine the threat and bsdassery of s fleet of invidible Star destroyers appearing out of nowhere.
That way you can say it blends with the enviorment, but one got a bit faulty (Possibly still a prototype) and incorrectly adjusts to space. Temporarily giving it a dark haul.
True, but the "to-be-fair" part is that magic and mechanics end up being a lot more fun to mess with (and also impactful on the story) the more one tends to apply thought to them. Besides, Star Wars is actually still somewhat deeper than it looks.@@idiot_city5244
The R6 takes me waaaay back. Like reading cool Star Wars technical manuals in my Middle School’s library way back. Thanks for your thorough exploration of lore.
I forgot it and the R7 even existed. I stopped caring. This video brought back old joys. So thank you again.
@@BungieStudios I still remember the R7, its cool radar eye is pretty iconic.
What iteration was sabotage attempt by Kueler & Brakiss to replace whole NR astromech stock with bombs?
The point about lighting is really interesting to me. I have a clear memory of when I went to see the Force Awakens in cinema for the first time and the opening scene of the First Order Stormtroopers in the landing craft left a lasting impression on me. I didn't realise what it was about it that felt so not-Star Wars to me, until you pointed out that it was really just the lighting doing it.
I honestly didn't mind it on its own, and I actually felt excited that the movie was trying something new for Star Wars, but then it ended up being a remake of A New Hope with modern cinematography slapped on to it. I think it could have been interesting if they really would have pushed these new kinds off elements. But ultimately it didn't do enough of either keeping the old style or doing something new.
That Luke AI dream sequence was fucking great "my dirty hobo beard" hahaha.
But its very true, the sequels in general really said "hey, the originals had WWII references. Lets do more of that!" And made star wars basically WWII in space even more so than the previous films, to the point that they disregard lore.
The key point is WWII *references* being the space battles, while politically being more of a Vietnam allegory, mostly because during WWII air combat was a new thing, so a lot of footage had been shot of it, while during Vietnam it was far more of a routine thing.
AI Luke really summed it up well, highlighting the sheer absurdity of the events.
25:00 before we move on from flashing lights, let me add another option to add them in a night scene: explosions. The shuttles or their support (be it the star destroyer or escorting star fighters) are blowing things up, the flashing lights to get JJs affect are the explosions coming through windows.
could also be the glow from those shots going past, then you get to colour the light
The funniest thing about inserting repulsorlifts into BB8 is that, yet again, there is a model of astromech from Legends (and funnily enough their own canon) that fits that file that Disney couldve used, kept the cute ball look, and make much more sense:
The Q7 Astromech droid - it was a more experimental model made for use in the V-wing starfighters used by the Galactic Republic during the Clone Wars, and was literally a afloating sphere, with an astromech head as the top half
They couldve easily made BB-8 a modernized take on the concept, maybe add the ground-based rolling as an emergency movement option for the lols if it lost repulsorlift power, or maybe it could spin like a top or something, idk
Just wouldve made more sense
Star Wars fans wanted a new movie so badly that they gave this soulless rehash praise
Luke telling Obi-Wan about his nightmare was pure comedy gold
Star Wars fans didn’t do this. Big corporations did stop blaming other people.
@@TheTraya
Some fans liked the movie even its a soulless rehash
@@Nin10dofan8Then there wouldn't be any reason to watch them when I could just read the books.
I think a lot of people were also desperately cooping with the idea that it is only "the first movie in a trilogy, surely the stupid will be explained in the next two movies".
Come on I can hear the HOMEWORLD OST and now I can't unhear it. 😶🌫️👍
Good work on the video as well.
I could go for a Part 2 :) loving this
I was always under the impression that the First Order was named that because it was Order 1 or Palatine's contingency Orders, for example the infamous Order 66. In the event that palatine was killed and the empire fell, and remnants were to enact the 1st Order, go into hiding, and rebuild an army to retake the Galaxy. But I could be wrong.
I always thought the same. Order 66, the First Order; it made sense that the similarity in the names wasn't a coincidence, and they both must have had their origins in long-standing plans of Palpatine.
Guess you are of a select few that believe disney could have thought that up, or even reach that point in cohesive planning.
@@Theanimeisforme Back when TFA came out but before I saw the movie, yeah, I foolishly had quite a bit of optimism. Not for the mouse per se, but I figured it was Star Wars, the stories can practically write themselves and it would be glorious to see. Certainly, at the VERY least I thought I'd see something that had, you know, actual thought put into it. And like 90% of the people in my theater, I left going "hnh, what just happened?" and in my best McGregor imitation, "I have a bad feeling about this...." Took me about a week of processing it and replaying the movie in my head to see just how misplaced that optimism was.
The First Order (apparently) derives its name from one of its early leaders, Grand Admiral Rae Sloane, who during a meeting between what remained of the Imperial leadership to figure out what to do after the New Republic took Coruscant said, "It's time to start over. That is our first order: to begin again, and to get it right this time." Which is pretty neat, but WHY DIDN'T WE SEE THIS?!
Well Lucky for you, you will never know. JarJar Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy said “what should we call the bad guys? The empire is already taken….um does First Order sound cool?”
JJ sacrificed EVERYTHING that would make sense in an episode 7 to memberberry-derived elements. the "rebellion" beeing the most painful example.
At 5:09 Luke's dream, this one segment is better than anything Disney put out regarding Star Wars.
13:10 The solution for this shot would be another large body such as a moon casting a shadow on the ship leaving it in darkness while the planet behind is still illuminated. But why you want this shot in a movie? For all we know this is a foam cup someone tossed into space.
Toa Vakama illustrating the concept of invisibility was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
Indeed
When I read a comment where someone asked “how can the Star Wars universe be saved in the new trilogy”. It seemed impossible, but the only reboot I could think of to fix the mess Jar Jar and Basketballhead had left in their wake was to start the first episode for the new trilogy would begin with Luke waking up and realizing that the entire last trilogy was just a bad dream Luke had, then start a real story that makes sense and can fit as an actual continuation of the saga.
No First Order, no Ben Solo, no omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent Rey Palpatine, since that is impossible because the Emperor was actually killed, permanently by Anakin’s sacrifice. When I saw your introduction as a fever dream by Luke, I had to laugh since that was the only way I could think to fix the mess Jar Jar Abrams and Basketballface Johnson had completely trashed.
There is no way possible way to make any of that shit canon. It completely renders Luke and Anakin’s killing of Emperor Palpatine have any weight. For all of those Reylo shippers, Disney would sell off the rights to Rey and Ben to a company that will make RomComs starring Daisy and Donald. That’s the only movies right for their love story, not Star Wars.
Luke waking from a fever dream was so funny 😅
The R6 has been my favorite R series astromech for ages, and while it's appeared in the background of a few pieces of visual media, it's nice to hear someone sing its praises and not completely ignore it.
Thank you for being so responsive to your viewers. I very much look forward to Part 2 of this series. In the meantime, I will finish watching the Phantom Menace analysis.
We do try! There has to be a balance with getting the new videos made, but we genuinely appreciate the audience and like interacting with them. Several times in TPM, we've had to include a comment in the video because the guy made such a convincing and well-reasoned point.
As for the next part of TFA, we don't have any immediate plans for a part 2 of this series. We're going to be working through the prequels and the OT for the foreseeable future, which is likely to be quite a few years. This video didn't do well in The Algorithm until the past couple of weeks, so I never finished writing the script for a part 2. I can't make any promises, but we do have plans for the occasional standalone video while we're in the middle of the AOTC series. It's possible we might use that bonus video slot for a part 2 of this. -DZ
@@thebreadcircusplease it'd be nice to see a part 2.
Okay, you HAD to know what you were doing with Vakama... didn't take you for also being a Bionicle fan!
I like that you're providing all the basic, appropriate counter points to enablers of this new trilogy. Some people get so caught up on just one or two things, but you seem to be catching way more than most critics do.
I knew Jar Jar Abrams would mess this up.
Geez! Being a little rough on Jar Jar Binks, aren't you? There's a good chance he's Darth Jar Jar after all...😆
@@KeriRautenkranz His name is Darth Ridiculous not Darth Jar Jar.
Bb would have made more sense that if instead of a mass produced military model it was Poe's custom built Droid. Would explain the poor design, more limited capability and why he treats it as more of a pet then a utility item.
That involves writing interesting characters.
Imagine scenes where you have Finn complaining about how useless BB8 is, and how Poe should just invest in an R6 unit or something, only for Poe to try to shut him up by saying something along the lines of how he built the droid through spare parts as a kid.
@@citizenvulpes4562 Which would be an excellent call back to Anakin another Ace pilot who occasionally dabbles in droid smithing. If they were really clever they could have poes arch mirror Anakin only when his morality is tested at the end he stays strong instead of falls.
You’re doing a much better job than Plinkett did with this movie. And the comedy is a bit more sharper and appreciable for it.
I’m rather profoundly surprised that, for _ALL_ the people who’ve done in depth dissections of just this movie or drew comparisons upon it with other materials, I have _yet_ to see a single person make some kind of connection to Finn getting the handprint smeared on his helmet to _Wrath of Khan_ when the cadet does the same thing to Admiral Kirk!😟 What’s up with that?! It should be the most obvious joke to make at this turd!😒😤
We need another part of this and would love to see the other Mouse Wars films dissected!😢🥺
Holy shit that AI Luke voice was AMAZING!
Luke just went to the store to get a pack of cigarettes. He’ll be back soon
That Vakama joke killed me. Well done sir. Well done.
I personally think that yes while disney could not copy the EU for their movies, they should have atleast used it for the sequels. Even better, maybe put a actual star wars fan in charge instead of some bozos who have no care for the source material
KK's fault, that, not Disney per se. She vehemently rejects anyone who actually likes star wars working on it.
As far as I know JJ actually is a star wars fan, but no in the deep lore knoledge kinda way, more in the look how cool it is sorta way. Thats why TFA and ROS felt like fanfiction, a what if the OT was EDGYYY. Look BLOOD, on his FACE, and instead of 1 planet FIVE planets and it destroys a star too. And what if palpatine ould summon an entire storm, extra evil ahahaha
Finally, someone who calls the original movie "Star Wars". Not "Episode IV, not "A New Hope".
"Star Wars".
He still used the Episode IV opening crawl, which irked me.
Can’t wait for part two, brilliant analysis ❤
Well done! this is the first video i saw about any star star wars movie that covered so much lore and cinematic details for comparison
(43 minutes long video and he's still not past the first 2 minutes of the movie)
It's incredible how stupid the people at Disney are. They deliberately invented BB8 because they wanted a Disney princess and her animal companion in a Star Wars movie, then they acted like this idea was original...
Right off the bat, calling Disney a "Subversion Entity" is an instant subscribe.
It’s wild what’ll do it for me. Been watching your videos for a while now, but I finally subscribed as soon as you flashed Toa Vakama on screen.
This is such a great video that further depicts how much overall passion was put into the first 6 movies and EU in general for world building while respecting said-world. The fact that you're using ship schematics from books is another great reference to how much thought was put into those things before "the sequel trilogy."
I have been subscribed for a couple months now, and i only just noticed your channel picture is 2 mouse droids. I thought it was a face this whole time.
Face looking left, with the front edge of the 2nd robot being the noose and the rear wheel of the front robot being the chin.
+Keizer Van Enerc
Pareidolia strikes again!
Prepare to have your mind blown once again. It is three mouse droids. -ED-1TA
This is getting out of hand.
No punches pulled, no soft language, no Bantha podo. +1 for you, Good Sir.
38:35 Good catch, most fans will understand why Kuat doesn't make sense...but that's not Disney apparently
I don't even sit that deep in SW lore, just watched someone play Star Wars: Empire at War with some mod and talking lore in the background.
And still when pointed out I realized WHY that's wrong, as that's where whey made all the cheese wedges
using a sandstorm to get the flashing lights and darkness could work really well actually. the stormtroopers land in the storm and you can barely see a thing. poe sends the droid to run out into the storm covering its escape. then kylo exits his shuttle and we get an even better demonstration of his power than holding the blaster bolt as he pushes out the sandstorm making a bubble of clear air allowing the troopers to advance. and you get a fucking fantastic visual in the background of shots with a wall of a roiling sandstorm lit up with flashes of lightning.
The prequels were better than the sequels because it expanded the lore and told us about jedis and siths. All the sequels did was try to be the OT and nothing new.
I'd buy 20 bbs for 20 credits. Gonna turn them into the most oversized dual duty Mouse/Cleaner droids.
Love the videos! Keep it up.
Cheers, Roberto. New video will drop in the next couple of days! -ED-1TA
Dude this is so in depth. I love it.
Don't trust the BB8. Trust the great R8!
With the exception of MauLer and a couple of others...there are so few of us Star WARS fans actually stating, believing SW TFA is a really, really, really bad SW movie, and something meant to undermine what came before (ie, the lore and originals themselves).
Refreshing to see another critic/content creator realize what we all know to be true. Disney's SW is really anti STAR WARS.
And to further do your video justice:
Excellent work, excellent attention to detail, excellent analysis.
Yep. Even back when this released. Everyone was crazy about this movie. I felt so alone being the only one that felt TFA was horrible for setting up the sequels
"The lighting is different than previous films, therefore the movie is bad."
I don't know how to communicate with someone who makes complaints like this.
Well he's certainly going into a lot of detail. The little things do matter though. Like it's a valid question to look at the lighting in the Stormtrooper craft and ask "why?". If the only answer is that it looks cool then it represents an approach to the film that is rather superficial and is reflected in the film in it's entirety.
FACT: Red Letter Media loved TFA until it became unfashionable to say it
The thing about TFA is that it is a *product* designed to reach as many non-fans (who may or may not have some basic knowledge of the OT) as possible while offering enough basic "Star Wars" to scratch the itch of Fans just demanding an entertaining new SW-Movie. And, I have to admit, it works to an extent. It worked on me, for a while, anyway.
TFA is well paced, features likeable characters played by likeable Actors, offers a well measured balance of Action, Humor, Suspense and Mystery, with a heap of Nostalgia, top-of-the-line Special Effects, a great John Williams-Score... and it left open questions many people (myself included) trusted the makers of the two following movies to answer in a satisfying fashion. In other words, it ticks a lot of boxes.
And at the end of the day, at the time, I expected an entertaining movie and that is what I got. Sure, I could plainly see the obvious similarities to ANH but I shrugged and went "Ah well, guess they needed to play it safe at this point" and moved on. And when I'm satisfied, I don't ask questions.
As I said at the start of this rant, its a Product. Its meant to be quickly consumed along with Pepsi and Popcorn by a (largely) non-fan Audience. Its meant to get you exited for the next Product. Since it worked for me for a while, I probably would have continued to consume without asking questions if TLJ hadn't appeared, pulled the wool off my eyes and broke the spell. So eventually, I started questioning TFA. And it ultimately doesn't hold up to even the slightest degree of scrutiny. It quickly falls apart once looked at even a little bit closer.
I always said after I left the theater for Episode VII that I would hold judgment until the next two movies came out for precisely the reason that I trusted that all the open ends would be resolved satisfactorily by the time IX was done.
I was a young, naïve fool.
i don't mind a little fan-service, but a two-hour "diversity is our strength" corpo training vid isn't fan service, it's just subversion
Yep I quite liked at first watch as well, it had some memorable scenes early on and I was really excited for the questions/vague misteries and how they would explore next movies, as my experience with the other trillogies I liked the early movies and their build up for the end of trilogy was the best part, so I expected so would be the case for the new trilogy...little did I know
Get your bread and circuses, ladies and gentlemen
The astrodroid section is unironically the best part about this video, it made me love R2-D2 even more.
My problem with the BB8 stuff was the inherent assumption that Rey had any more of a claim to him than the scrapper she essentially stole him from. There’s no explanation for why BB8 is scared of one scrapper and more accepting of Rey… and then they act like she’s more noble when she wanted to do the exact same thing with it. It makes no sense!
I like the name 'First Order' though, there is something esoteric and religious sounding about it, which is in keeping with the cult of worshipping the previous Empire.
Nah, the Terrorists rings better. It shows how creatively bankrupt Disney's Lucasfilm they have become.
hoping for you to talk about the parallelisms between Nausicaä and TFA 😅
Without a doubt, it may even be the name of Rey's part in the video. Would you believe you're the first I've heard mention the Nausicaa connection? -DZ
@@thebreadcircus can't believe that neither, they used not only the film but the manga as well, feeling super nerd and super happy right now. keep up with the content you have a great channel!
Your videos are amazing why are you not the largest video essay channel out there.
The lighting of the start destroyer would only work if the blue/white object was a moon and the Star destroyer was between the camera and the moon, the Star destroyer would then have to be in the shadow of the planet and the camera would have to point towards the planet at an angle
Does anyone know the name of the intro song @3:20
atomic heart soundtrack, volume 1, arlekino (geoffrey day remix)
Oh wow the AI Luke voice killed me. Great video, I really appreciate your work on SW. Also - I really enjoy the upscaled to 60fps scenes, just very cool.
I know I’m a bit late to the party, but I got scared when I saw the thumbnail thinking you were talking about The Force Unleashed. Knowing that’s not the case, I can safely watch in agreement
The prequels were universally despised though. Idk how this keeps getting memory holed. Only super lovers, the same that defend Disney Wars with “I like it bc it’s more Star Wars, and I like Star Wars.” The others being kids that grew up with the prequels.
I was 10 when episode 1 came out and loved it. When episode 2 came out I was 12 or 13 and without internet or critics to tell me it was bad, and my friends loving it bc “Yoda lightsaber fight,” I thought I was kind of over Starwars, but Episode 3 trailers come out and emo Anikan becoming Vader got me hyped again. I asctually liked it when I saw it, but I laughed at a lot of the dialogue and thought it was still subpar to the og trilogy.
It wasn’t until I got more into IMDB and UA-cam in the early days that I found out how many people thought the prequels were bad for a lot of the same reasons people were hopeful of force awakens.
I saw all of this bc I was the prime demographic for the prequels and I even thought they were bad and eventually stopped caring despite clone wars and stuff going on. When I heard Disney bought Lucas film I was excited for many of the same reasons you think are inorganic. Maybe a company with unlimited money and working with Lucas could make the follow up with OG vibe many hoped the prequels would be.
Obviously we didn’t get that. I don’t disagree with what you say about the film either, just saying that, yes, a lot of people actually felt that way.
40:58 industrial automaton even uses a similar shape for it's logo. Although, that might be me reaching for coincidence straws.
Hey Mr. Bread Circus, are you planning to do a Part 2? And maybe the rest of the sequels? This is brilliantly hilarious and actually a very good analysis, instead of simply ranting. Thank you for doing this research, I found you through your ‘short’ 12 hour Phantom Menace Video. I will actually finish it now I know the quality of your content
Your idea about JarJar blew my mind. It fixes basically everything! AND THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN DOING THINGS THAT WAY! This is a great idea, your video is great, and you've earned yourself a sub.
The First Order is kind of a guilty pleasure for me and I honestly prefer them over the Imperial Remnant. The First Order had this sentiment of "We can't be weak like the Empire. We have to succeed where they failed." while the Imperial Remnant on the other hand is in a state of creepy denial. At least the First Order acknowledged the legitimate outcome of the Galactic Civil War.
That’s the thing though, The Empire just doesn’t seem like the type who would accept a defeat, no matter how legitimate, they’re like a faction who bought into their own myth that they’re too big to fail.
@@Slender_Man_186 Sounds familiar doesn't it? Like a specific group of people IRL?
I'm sorry, but saying it's "the perception of non-fans that the Prequels were disliked" really discredits this video. That's not a "perception of non-fans". Those movies were fucking DESPISED by fans, to the point that Jake Lloyd, a child, was bullied relentlessly by fans. Hayden Christensen, especially after Attack of the Clones was also ridiculed. Infact the only good things people had to say about Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones was that Ewan McGregor was great, Darth Maul and Qui Gon were cool, and the fight choreography was pretty great at times. Anyone claiming that the movies weren't disliked by the fandom, were likely children when those movies came out and either didn't read the discourse, or dismissed it due to them having a lot of nostalgia for those movies from seeing them as a kid.
The most interesting thing about Star Wars is seeing over time how the discourse on the Prequels have changed. It's been so long that the canon it establishes is now just well accepted, but that was not always the case. The Prequels really messed with the Original Trilogy in terms of canon, from little things like Obi-Wan's age being really weird, to big things like the Jedi Order being this massive organization that seemingly everyone knows about, to being talked about in the OT like some ancient, small order that people only believe as superstition. This is by people who would have undoubtedly been alive when the Republic became a Galactic Empire specifically BECAUSE of the Jedi "Trying to kill" the Chancellor. These are not minor flaws, and were talked about extensively back in the day. But that was 25 years, and time has smoothed that over and now people look more fondly at those movies. But it was in no way just "non-fan perception", and to say that makes it seem like you weren't in the fandom 25 years ago.
Can’t wait to get part 2
That bird is hilarious
Any time it was on screen I was crying laughing. Great video
Great video as always but again I have to disagree with your intro statement that the EU (now Legends) was THE Star Wars canon. The EU was never a cohesive, unified vision like the films were. We got some great new stories and characters through EU books and games, but we also got plenty of lacklustre and controversial pieces of media too. The degree of canonicity also varied greatly from story to story, Lucas himself considered all these books and comics to be a kind of alternate version of his universe. So although its a rather narrow view of Star Wars media, I still hold to the belief that George Lucas created Star Wars, so something without George isn't canon. All the Disney media and the EU that came before are still pretty entertaining (although to varying degrees of course) and they can help fill in some gaps that inevitably appear when we think too hard about a fictional universe, but they all have to be taken with a pinch of salt. All these stories can be summed up as possibilities- maybe they happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, or maybe they're just what someone thinks might have happened. In the end Star Wars was George Lucas' vision, and no matter how much creative talent, money and top-notch acting you invest in a story, it isn't truly Star Wars without the man from Modesto!
A counter point would be the that the EU had plenty of simple or mundane lore that was consistent yet overlooked or taken for granted. Example shown are the astromech consistency, something some would not have considered. A classic example from EU that plays on consistency and rational that everyone and their mum wants to see was the appearance of warlords and Thrawn himself after the death of the Emperor. You cant label EU as never cohesive when clearly there are things that made sense in universe. Sure there are many poor stories that might not tie in together, but there are many parts that worked for people whether under the hood or within the story.
@@Theanimeisforme I think our views actually align quite closely! I didn't say the EU was never cohesive, rather that the EU was never a cohesive vision. Like we both mention there's plenty of good stories and characters in the EU, as well as a lot of the "mundane lore" which help fill in the gaps of the universe Lucas created.
Thanks for reminding me about the astromechs too! They were great in the EU and I love what was said in the video about them. However, the opposite was true in reality- R2 and his counterparts were the most unreliable and costly parts of making the movies! R2 was constantly breaking down and would topple over or crash on almost any terrain. So I just think it's funny that in Star Wars the astromechs are the bee's knees but in reality were a nightmare to work with
@@TheanimeisformeWell among other things, the Warlord era doesn't really make sense or is that consistent with Star Wars. The films have outright celebrations on Coruscant following the Emperors death to apolitical Luke having a negative view of the Empire to the Rebellion being openly supported in material and soldiers to the point it was becoming a threat to the Imperial star-fleet in ANH and stood their own against them in a peer fight by ROTJ.
Via Tarkin we know the plan to keep the systems in line, once the last remnants of the Old republic were swept away, was fear of the DS1 rather than the armies and navies of the GE.
Pretty much every indicator we receive from the films suggests the Empire is A) unpopular to a wide degree and B) has force projection issues. So it isn't the most rational conclusion the empire could split apart into private fiefdoms and just continue on for another 30-40 years like the Eu postulates.
Realistically, the Empire would either quickly dissolve like say the USSR did in our time line or quickly unify under a central leader and recover. Rather the GE survival post-ROTJ in the EU was motivated by a need for a recognizable bad guy than any consistency or realism.
I think the sequel trilogy is terrible but saying that "You can't see anything" on the opening shots is really dumb to do. While the shots aren't really "Star wars"y (I don't like the way they used the flickering lights with the music they chose, it felt particularly out of place), they aren't BAD shots. that opening beneath the shadow of the star destroyer is perfectly fine thematically, the purpose is to hide a direct look at the ship for the purpose of suspense, but it still gives us a sense of scale on it. It's just some alright cinematography, with all the things to bitch about in the prequels it feels stupid to say "DISNEY FUCKED UP BECAUSE THESE SHOTS USE DRAMATIC LIGHTING" and to drag it out like this. it's just bitching for the sake of bitching.
This is such a meticulous digging at disney sw. And frozen synops ost is a great icing on the cake. Love it.
Awesome! Great vid
OK so hear me out, JJ made this movie right? Then RJ came along and made an entire movie around the idea that everyone has the Force and family lineage doesn't matter (see: boy with broom) your dedication to the force matter. Then he invented a brand new, never before see power "Force Yeet". All that to show us we all have the ability to yeet crappy star wars products over our shoulder, into the sea just like Luke's lightsaber, where it's no danger to anyone and never to be seen or heard from again.