holy shit.. I didn't know this was you! Interesting.. I had decided I might want an M at some point.. and hadn't even looked at Quantums.. seeing there second hand prices aren't far from the M... yeah.. it appears I have new things to think about.
Nice sounds man on a great synth. Over the last 30 years I have owned, for short or long time, almost every synth that was produced during that period, but the only synth that remains is the M (and the pulsar23 ;) ). And by the way, the M fits perfectly to the oxi sequencer, great combo.
So pretty man 👍 I was gonna say get an XT but you said it ha ;) XT is for the Designer out there. It can take you wavetable places like no other. Love it. I eyed the M but I will get a MicroWave RevA next year and pair this wirh the beautiful new Microwave plugin/librarian/controller Waldorf put out this year 😊 Been wanting one but now It is def on my list.
I've just got my M back from Waldorf headquarters. They repaired it free of charge even though I had bought it used and its malfunctioning was caused by my not properly fitting the expansion board. Although the Quantum and Iridium and even the Blofeld offer more sound design options, the M's PPG-ish sound cannot be achieved by them.
when I look at this and think "wow, is this better than spending $13 for the Microwave VST on my iPad" and think no ... well ... yeah. but hey, it looks beautiful
A used M cost me $1200 on the used market, a used Quantum is going to run me double the price. I get where you are coming from but to that I could say why would you even suggest the Quantum at all when someone could do 90% of what it does with something like Pigments? I think these days there are software options for everything pretty much and a lot of hardware isn't much more than just a VST with knobs. I don't think this means hardware sucks or people shouldn't buy it, it's all personal preference really. I would love to have a Microwave XT but I think about purchasing old devices and I start to become concerned with the cost of maintaining them moving forward and usually I tend to go for newer devices if there is an option. I own a Blofeld and I own Arturia Pigments, they both sound amazing and do wavetable well but they do not sound like the M, they way they handle wavetables is very different, they don't have the lower bit rate, MW2 filter types, ASIC bug, or the VCF/VCA and at least for me when I use the M. those are some features that set it apart sonically from other devices. I think at the end of the day it's about personal work flow and preference and when you purchase hardware you are paying for something that has been designed with a specific function in mind. That design philosophy will surely dictate your approach to sound design/music when you use the device. Waldof has the Quantum, Iridium, Blofeld, and Nave on the market all at the same time, I think this goes to show they perceive each device to fill a specific niche in the market and for the end user. Anyway sorry for the rant but in my opinion and from my experience I have been able to get sound out of the M I am not getting out of any other wavetable devices and regardless of what factors that is up to at the end of the day it's because that's where it takes me. I enjoyed your noodling in this video.
Good points, and I didn’t think you ranted, so I think the problem is context. 1. Most people who watch these videos aren’t like me, they’re heavy into gear acquisition. They just want things, so plugins don’t do it for them. (Fun fact to all of those people. 70-80% of tracks I make are done with software, I play saxophone and Rhodes on a lot of songs. So realistically I could do anything I do on hardware ITB, but people still want physical things so I let them lol) 2. I’m only speaking from my perspective as a songwriter, so I was trying to express that the M is great (wavetable engine), BUT, it’s limited, I’d rather get 80% of the way to an M on say my Quantum which I already own and be done with it, the other 5 sound engines on the Quantum are kinda a bonus (if that makes sense) 3. The hardware: so, there are some people who swear by analog filters etc, so, I suggested the Quantum instead of the say the Iridium to appease those types. 4. I suggested Nave since in my experience the OG Waldorf sound is easily found in Nave, without say the limitations of the new Microwave 1 plugin AND some people just want “Waldorf” things in their desk. I’ve seen some comments about the M being super unique, and well, in a way, sure, I guess, but you made the most important point, workflow. If you’re me, at this point in my career artists I worked with never cared about the tool I used to make a sound, the listener almost never truly inquired about what I used. I kinda don’t care what I use (solid melody lines can be had on any instrument imo) Bottom line: There are channels and places that are here to sell people stuff, that’s not me. I bought my Quantum, I borrowed this for close to a year, so my thoughts come with time and care.
It's true most synths are computers... "a VST with knobs" is more dedicated than a PC and it's more of a traditional computer you own literally. The industry is moving into pay to play where users own nothing. Arturia can rip the software away at any time. Microsoft can break whatever it wants because it has a monopoly. Then there is all the AI junk and non stop security risks. A VST with knobs will always just be a VST with knobs. The PC era is ending and moving into a highly unpredictable landscape that will change anytime a shareholder needs more profits. Just my take. I prefer traditional computing and dedicated hardware.
@@brian2590 I've no preference one way or the other. I find uses for both but I would say collecting the hardware tends to fall into the hobby category sometimes for me anyway. I wouldn't say I collect VST, I also wouldn't say I spend nearly as much time exploring them so there's that.
@@wren23_bass-synths in switzerland at least, the m is available all around. In US or other countrys, i dont know. The M has a massive pricedrop right now here i can see. But i dont know if it is because the blackfriday week etc.
Not sure why you would you recommend "Nave" as an alternative when waldorf just came out with the microwave plugin a couple months ago, which pretty much sounds just like the M for the most part. Nave sounds nothing like the M imo. The mirowave plugin purposely models that "sound" unlike Nave. Also the iridium or iridium core instead of quantum maybe?
Great points, well what I was kind of getting at is this. The M, to me, who has owned a few Waldorfs feels very ONE TRICK PONY, while that’s not a bad thing, I just feel like Quantum gives so many different flavors of synthesis that if you get one second hand, turn the aliasing up, you get so close it’s like, why get one synth that’s does 1 thing at a 5/5 when you can get a synth that does 6 things at a 4/5. I think since I’m more focused on the melodies, the harmonies, a 5/5 sound isn’t what I need. I think the Iridium Core is great, but I think if I had to, I’d go with the anything it would be the Iridium Keys. Lastly, Nave, to me is just better in terms of things I would rather have Microwave 1 plug-in only has 8 voices, is way more flexible with the modulation section, has actual FX, you’re right if you want the limited and most accurate M clone, the Microwave plugin is it, but, I make songs, I’m not really a sound designer, so I wouldn’t just want the M in the hardware version, it’s too one dimensional for me to own it as hardware.
@@NoirEtBlancVie Ok well I thought you were trying to suggest an alternative the M "sound" which it definitely has a sound. The Nave and the iridium cant do the sound imo. I own the iridium too. I do second guess whether I should own the M though when the microwave plugin exists. It really does sound great. The M has a few more tricks up its sleeve though and its a really nice piece of hardware in terms of build quality. Also vlad(the dev behind it) is always making great updates to it with more coming on the roadmap so I think ill hold on to it a bit.
@@osands ohhhh, no, basically was saying IF someone wants that old school “Waldorf” sound, get an old school Waldorf (XT) if they want the essence of the Waldorf sound it can be had elsewhere for less money. That said, I’m big in composing, and creative workflow not necessarily sound comparisons etc. Like in my case, if the Quantum gets me 80% there it’s more than enough, and most people who actually listen to my music are like 40 year old women (I looked at the analytics) and they most likely don’t know what the hell il using haha
This doesn't sound like a Blofeld to me in my good phones ;) There's a warmth and texture in this signal that the Blo cannot emulate exactly. But I like my Blo too despite that. But I prefer my XT to all of these.
Some hypnotic drones bro. I got my eyes on the quantum. And the steampipe. Great video
Elta 42 F
You and your vuvuzela synth lol 😅
@ overpriced trash
Waldorf M sounds gorgeous!
holy shit.. I didn't know this was you!
Interesting.. I had decided I might want an M at some point.. and hadn't even looked at Quantums.. seeing there second hand prices aren't far from the M... yeah.. it appears I have new things to think about.
Nice sounds man on a great synth.
Over the last 30 years I have owned, for short or long time, almost every synth that was produced during that period, but the only synth that remains is the M (and the pulsar23 ;) ). And by the way, the M fits perfectly to the oxi sequencer, great combo.
So pretty man 👍 I was gonna say get an XT but you said it ha ;) XT is for the Designer out there. It can take you wavetable places like no other. Love it. I eyed the M but I will get a MicroWave RevA next year and pair this wirh the beautiful new Microwave plugin/librarian/controller Waldorf put out this year 😊 Been wanting one but now It is def on my list.
I've just got my M back from Waldorf headquarters. They repaired it free of charge even though I had bought it used and its malfunctioning was caused by my not properly fitting the expansion board. Although the Quantum and Iridium and even the Blofeld offer more sound design options, the M's PPG-ish sound cannot be achieved by them.
the M is one of my fav synths of all time. Will never part with mine.
When you sell 90% of your gear & all the furniture except a nice big bed...simplistic bliss.
when I look at this and think "wow, is this better than spending $13 for the Microwave VST on my iPad" and think no ... well ... yeah. but hey, it looks beautiful
A used M cost me $1200 on the used market, a used Quantum is going to run me double the price. I get where you are coming from but to that I could say why would you even suggest the Quantum at all when someone could do 90% of what it does with something like Pigments?
I think these days there are software options for everything pretty much and a lot of hardware isn't much more than just a VST with knobs. I don't think this means hardware sucks or people shouldn't buy it, it's all personal preference really.
I would love to have a Microwave XT but I think about purchasing old devices and I start to become concerned with the cost of maintaining them moving forward and usually I tend to go for newer devices if there is an option. I own a Blofeld and I own Arturia Pigments, they both sound amazing and do wavetable well but they do not sound like the M, they way they handle wavetables is very different, they don't have the lower bit rate, MW2 filter types, ASIC bug, or the VCF/VCA and at least for me when I use the M. those are some features that set it apart sonically from other devices.
I think at the end of the day it's about personal work flow and preference and when you purchase hardware you are paying for something that has been designed with a specific function in mind. That design philosophy will surely dictate your approach to sound design/music when you use the device. Waldof has the Quantum, Iridium, Blofeld, and Nave on the market all at the same time, I think this goes to show they perceive each device to fill a specific niche in the market and for the end user.
Anyway sorry for the rant but in my opinion and from my experience I have been able to get sound out of the M I am not getting out of any other wavetable devices and regardless of what factors that is up to at the end of the day it's because that's where it takes me.
I enjoyed your noodling in this video.
Good points, and I didn’t think you ranted, so I think the problem is context.
1. Most people who watch these videos aren’t like me, they’re heavy into gear acquisition. They just want things, so plugins don’t do it for them. (Fun fact to all of those people. 70-80% of tracks I make are done with software, I play saxophone and Rhodes on a lot of songs. So realistically I could do anything I do on hardware ITB, but people still want physical things so I let them lol)
2. I’m only speaking from my perspective as a songwriter, so I was trying to express that the M is great (wavetable engine), BUT, it’s limited, I’d rather get 80% of the way to an M on say my Quantum which I already own and be done with it, the other 5 sound engines on the Quantum are kinda a bonus (if that makes sense)
3. The hardware: so, there are some people who swear by analog filters etc, so, I suggested the Quantum instead of the say the Iridium to appease those types.
4. I suggested Nave since in my experience the OG Waldorf sound is easily found in Nave, without say the limitations of the new Microwave 1 plugin AND some people just want “Waldorf” things in their desk.
I’ve seen some comments about the M being super unique, and well, in a way, sure, I guess, but you made the most important point, workflow. If you’re me, at this point in my career artists I worked with never cared about the tool I used to make a sound, the listener almost never truly inquired about what I used. I kinda don’t care what I use (solid melody lines can be had on any instrument imo)
Bottom line: There are channels and places that are here to sell people stuff, that’s not me. I bought my Quantum, I borrowed this for close to a year, so my thoughts come with time and care.
It's true most synths are computers... "a VST with knobs" is more dedicated than a PC and it's more of a traditional computer you own literally. The industry is moving into pay to play where users own nothing. Arturia can rip the software away at any time. Microsoft can break whatever it wants because it has a monopoly. Then there is all the AI junk and non stop security risks. A VST with knobs will always just be a VST with knobs. The PC era is ending and moving into a highly unpredictable landscape that will change anytime a shareholder needs more profits. Just my take. I prefer traditional computing and dedicated hardware.
@@brian2590 I've no preference one way or the other. I find uses for both but I would say collecting the hardware tends to fall into the hobby category sometimes for me anyway. I wouldn't say I collect VST, I also wouldn't say I spend nearly as much time exploring them so there's that.
Whoa I genuinely don't remember you buying this lol
I would never 😉
Isn't the M and Kyra discontinued?
Kyra is, but M is still in production, isn’t it?
@@XanderEwald M is still very much in production
M still available.
I thought they both were because I haven’t been able to find any new M online for sale
@@wren23_bass-synths in switzerland at least, the m is available all around. In US or other countrys, i dont know. The M has a massive pricedrop right now here i can see. But i dont know if it is because the blackfriday week etc.
Not sure why you would you recommend "Nave" as an alternative when waldorf just came out with the microwave plugin a couple months ago, which pretty much sounds just like the M for the most part. Nave sounds nothing like the M imo. The mirowave plugin purposely models that "sound" unlike Nave. Also the iridium or iridium core instead of quantum maybe?
Great points, well what I was kind of getting at is this. The M, to me, who has owned a few Waldorfs feels very ONE TRICK PONY, while that’s not a bad thing, I just feel like Quantum gives so many different flavors of synthesis that if you get one second hand, turn the aliasing up, you get so close it’s like, why get one synth that’s does 1 thing at a 5/5 when you can get a synth that does 6 things at a 4/5. I think since I’m more focused on the melodies, the harmonies, a 5/5 sound isn’t what I need.
I think the Iridium Core is great, but I think if I had to, I’d go with the anything it would be the Iridium Keys.
Lastly, Nave, to me is just better in terms of things I would rather have Microwave 1 plug-in only has 8 voices, is way more flexible with the modulation section, has actual FX, you’re right if you want the limited and most accurate M clone, the Microwave plugin is it, but, I make songs, I’m not really a sound designer, so I wouldn’t just want the M in the hardware version, it’s too one dimensional for me to own it as hardware.
@@NoirEtBlancVie Ok well I thought you were trying to suggest an alternative the M "sound" which it definitely has a sound. The Nave and the iridium cant do the sound imo. I own the iridium too. I do second guess whether I should own the M though when the microwave plugin exists. It really does sound great. The M has a few more tricks up its sleeve though and its a really nice piece of hardware in terms of build quality. Also vlad(the dev behind it) is always making great updates to it with more coming on the roadmap so I think ill hold on to it a bit.
@@osands ohhhh, no, basically was saying IF someone wants that old school “Waldorf” sound, get an old school Waldorf (XT) if they want the essence of the Waldorf sound it can be had elsewhere for less money. That said, I’m big in composing, and creative workflow not necessarily sound comparisons etc. Like in my case, if the Quantum gets me 80% there it’s more than enough, and most people who actually listen to my music are like 40 year old women (I looked at the analytics) and they most likely don’t know what the hell il using haha
I love my M. Buy them.
20mins I will never get back in life, Thanks!!!!
Sell your M buy a normal desk 😂
HAHAHAHA M sent me into bankruptcy, this bed is all I have left lol
Tripping on the sound . . .
Vibey
Sounds like my Blofeld I paid £200 for lol
I don’t even know if it sounds that good lol
Blofeld is one hell of great Synth.
This doesn't sound like a Blofeld to me in my good phones ;) There's a warmth and texture in this signal that the Blo cannot emulate exactly. But I like my Blo too despite that. But I prefer my XT to all of these.
Quantum doesn't sound close to the M
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Just get a PPG 2.3 and be done with all this tiny crap ! If ya dont have the funds then get the VST Wave 3 V
No get a 3rd wave.