This was a joy. I love that they were able to tear the film to shreds while pinpointing exactly what makes it powerful and unforgettable. Absolutely the right balance of irreverence and total respect. And Nick was a perfect choice of guest, too.
“Tore it to shreds” you mean make fun of it from an ironic distance? Because that’s all they did. Nick at least mentions that there’s no way the “bad performances” were anything but intentional, since the film had a legendary number of takes and shoot days.
Oh hell yes, so excited to hear them talk about this very strange and dreamlike movie! This movie is often misunderstood, possibly it's Kubrick's best film. Thanks for the upload!
Totally agree! Any disconnect with eyes wide shut often stems from folks who try to take the film literally. But, it's more like a dream. A nightmare. An expressionistic painting. The source novel "Traumnovelle" translates to "Dream Story".
@@filmmakerdanielclements Yes! That is a great way of putting it! The movie is not too literal, it's symbolic & surreal. It's cool you say it's based on a book called "Dream Story" because it does seem like a fever dream. It's like the Spanish genre of "magical realism" which includes some really awesome movies such as "Abre los Ojos" and "Pan's Labyrinth" and "El Orfanato". Those movies are in a similar style. If you loved "Eyes Wide Shut" you'd probably enjoy them. 👍
@@osborn.illustration Love Pans Labyrinth! And isn’t Vanilla Sky (which I also love) a remake of Abre los Ojos? Also in that Spanish sub-sub-genre is ‘The Skin I Live In’, I think? But I’ll definitely check out El Orfanato. The dreamlike approach to style is so haunting and curious in its fantastical unfolding. Like how the moonlight in EWS is not just blue; it’s impossibly unrealistically blue. People don’t act naturally, but they’re over the top and hyper-natural (like Jack in The Shining). It also gives me the abstract interpretable puzzle vibes of ‘Mulholland Drive’ and Bergman’s ‘Persona’.
When Hartford talks Curran out of an OD with nothing but his voice I believe that was a satirization of Cruise's own medical philosophies... I truly believe when you compare Cruise and Kidman's performances to the rest of the actors in the movie that it is apparent that the writing as well as the directing were working against both of them; or rather exposing them. Kidman over acted and Cruise under acted. They proved how little chemistry they had in their own relationship, how artificial they could appear in certain scenarios, and that they were so disconnected from the reality of how they were coming off in their performance that they went on with it and accepted Kubrick's style of directing, no matter how ridiculous.
1999. The year Felix once hypothesized as the first year it would be worth it to be wealthy. This is one of those films where, while first watching, I was transfixed by the simultaneous wishes to (a.) Be a part of that secret club of world-owners, and (b.) Find a way to place a mini-nuke or dirty bomb under the floor of that giant room in the satanic party mansion. The world of the ultra-elite is fascinating to many because they secretly want to be a part of that world by worshipping wealth. I'm fascinated, because I want to know where along the way they lost their human souls and became monsters. Kubrick skated that line, I do believe. Really wish he could have said more about that world, but perhaps hiding it within his films was the best he could do. That way, it could always be played off as fiction as they have been viewed billions of times. Brilliant man.
it’s true, i mean it’s all of these robes, and masks saved up from every chintzy shop in New Orleans. you just know that Minnie and Roman Castavetes had way better parties...even the victimless ones.
In order to understand this movie. You have to understand the visual clues that Kubrick uses in other films. He uses recurring color themes (red n blue mostly) mannequin heads / Teddy Bears and all this stuff tells you things about the story. A lot of levels here. Too many to be accidental especially with how much of a perfectionist Kubrick was known to be. The kneeling cultists look like children. The shop keeper whores out his daughter for the right price. And the daughter (after picking up a teddy bear, a known tool of Kubrick's used to show child abuse) walks away with 2 men from Zeigler's party... C'mon guys it's right in your face.
This a movie for smart people....dumb people enjoy low frequency commentary because they can not understand the complexity of a movie...So many plugged up to the matrix
he doesn't use recurring themes of any sort, there's a really good interview with him saying so because he feels if he did it would get in the way of the best way to tell the story being told
The ads on every major porn site are unironically infinitely more perverse & disturbing & raise more questions about the dark side of human nature than anything in this movie.
it’s something that Jeff Bezos does for members of his board, except he fires one, and uses his bonus to host the party, to which everyone rolls their eyes and refers to as : ‘Jeff’s actual fulfillment center.’
Just finished the movie. Very fun time. They kept playing this horror music on the piano that makes me think squidward is telling the story of the hash slinging slasher. The cult orgy was hilarious. The way everyone repeats what someone else says as a question is constant and hilarious. It's genuinely very ominous while seeming like it's kinda starship troopers satire. The end is ambiguous to where you don't know which it is.. Highly recommend if you liked Get Out or the Shining.
Agreed! This movie is genuinely artful yet strangely funny. This movie is about so much more than audiences were ready for at the time. This movie is about so much more than it was advertised to be because Kubrick passed away before they did the marketing for the film. This movie was sadly very underappreciated when it came out, I remember everyone making fun of it. It was ahead of it's time. I'm happy that lots of people are reappraising it now. I love "The Shining" but "Eyes Wide Shut" was low key the best Kubrick movie.
Yup, I thought the orgy cultists put the mask on the pillow as a threat. As a message saying: "We know where you live, we are surveilling you. We are top echelon. You could never touch us. We did not harm your family THIS time, but we could've! We will next time if you make us. We advise you to cease your inquiries!!" There are different ways fans interpret the mask on the pillow - some think Alice was one of the masked orgy ladies but I don't think that idea bears out in the film.
Great podcast. Finally finished this movie tonight for the first time. Always passed out in the past but watched the movie all the way through tonight and liked it. I think there are some interesting layers from it from classism, families, relationship dynamics, friend networks, and a lot more. I think what makes it interesting is finding a layer that’s interesting to you at the moment and exploring or considering the movie from that perspective. At the end the mask on the bed was clearly a mask off moment and despite both of their ALMOST affairs, mental and real, they accepted each other and moved on. I still wouldn’t trust that rich guy. Also still interested in the rich guy in the pool room at the end who said it was all a play. I know masons and some other groups who use “plays” to demonstrate concepts to move through degrees. I don’t think this is a common ritual though. I hope not. What a depressing world. I’m sure there’s plenty of debauchery going on in the world but it’s funny how classless and hollow these presumed elites are. The girl who OD’d on Junk and speed probably wasn’t rich though so maybe it was just the men bc the women seemed totally subservient. That would lead me to believe it’s a fraternal organization like masonry but this is not masonry.
The problem with all the "Kubrick is telling us about..." theories is that for it to be true is to say that Kubrick is just as bad as they are. Kubrick isn't the hero everyone with these theories purports him to be by default. Imagine knowing about pedo sex cults and not telling anyone directly, instead making the kinda-really good but still half-baked movie 'Eyes Wide Shut'. That's not a confession or expose', it's a non-admission. It's worse than saying nothing. It's tickle torture on a mass scale, lol. It's evil. Or the faked Moon landing and 'The Shining'. "I'll tell people by coding it in my open-to-interpretation movies thereby telling nobody!" No. It's just a weird movie about bored rich people.
@@tonywords6713 ??? Please explain. I'd appreciate it. Fr cause I think there's a lot in this movie that says more than the casual viewer would catch. Like the ending with the daughter walking towards the men that were at the Zeigler party and she looks back as if to say goodbye. And as if to highlight that she picks up a big teddy bear (a clear symbol of child abuse in The Shining) right before that. Kubrick was a chess player. This movie works on quite a few levels.
@@subtleusername5475 Its implied in this movie that like the president is at this party, or people at that level. Who's gonna stop them when Kubrick tells on them? The police? Get a clue.
Thought this film was underwhelming except for the eeriness of the cult scene. But some of the hints of a deeply plot mentioned here entice me to try it again
thank you for right off mentioning the repeating Tom Cruise (is that acting?) On my one and only watching of this, I definitely noticed it right away. Why would Kubrick allow that? If it's intentional, then what could it mean? Made me wonder if this is just a tom cruise thing and that's what he does in his movies
Well the masks in the thumbnail were originally made for a sequel to the Bob Hoskins Super Mario film based on SMB2. They were supposed to be Shy Guys, Snifits, and that floating head that chases you when you pick up a key in the vase pipes
A weird thing I noticed about this movie is that at exactly 7:06 (what would be the 6 minute and 66 second mark) the first words are said by the Hungarian character named Sandor Szavost. (Possibly a LaVey reference?)
@@FumblsTheSniper Yeah very intentionally so, I think the whole thing is supposed to be both laughable and horrifying. Kubrick normally went for that layered mood to his films.
In 1968, following developments in climate science, we collectively decided that human extinction would precede human escape from Earth. Capitalism became Zombie Capitalism, going through the motions without meaning, and Marxism became pointless, as liberation has no value without a living future. Marx himself lived before climate science, nuclear weapons, and most climate destruction. For him the human future was infinite - therefore Socialism had potentially infinite value. May 1968 was not a revolution - May 1968 was proof that there could be no more revolutions - this began and defined the Neoliberal era. It's not that individuals are helpless in the face of powerful institutions. It's that powerful institutions and individuals themselves have no meaning or justification. Under normal conditions this would generate a revolution and overthrow of those organizations, but because the human population doesn't believe in its own future there's no deep value in revolution. Its just a particular way of rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Supposedly powerful institutions towering over helpless individuals is a useful fiction which distracts us from reality. Post-1968 the Elite exist in a historically unprecedented situation. For most of history, whatever passed for the Elite guided and shaped human reality. There was tremendous meaning in that, because whatever exists in the present shapes and defines what can possibly exist in the future. But when the future itself is aborted, the present loses meaning and value. It no longer matters what one does in the present, because the future is gone no matter how the present is defined. The Neoliberal era first and foremost is this crisis among the Elite. Sex is pure, both earthly and transcendental. Sex is the greatest threat to Christian culture which is why religious figures have always sought to control it. As the world dies and we need pure distractions, those not soiled by petty concerns, Sex and Pornography rise to the forefront of culture, not because we've "lost our values" as conservatives claim but because in our deeply corrupt world we need to cleanse ourselves, and sex and the orgasm in particular is a reset button on our consciousness - it's a fresh start for our exhausted and despairing selves. The orgasm is the easiest way to end one moment and begin a new one. We then analyze this new moment to see whether it contains hope that can be built upon.
I read this and I found it hard to agree with anything you said. Capitalism has been bastardized by corporatism hence why we see the stagnation. We don’t live in a full free market economy for capitalism to flourish. Yeah, it’s a sad state of affairs when the people we elect who maybe had good intentions at one time turn against us for money and power. That’s democracy for ya.
@@coderedcourier1611 Corporatism is capitalism fueled by high technology. It's not bastardized, it's just that Adam Smith or even Karl Marx could not have envisioned a global network of computers that allows for instant financial transactions across thousands of miles. Transistors and electrical science have enormously impacted capitalism. The appeal of Capitalism was that the world was empty - it was "virgin land" to be exploited by the capitalists. This emptiness itself was fueled by the Copernican Revolution - by the need for Europeans to develop the technology necessary to move humanity to the Sun (and in the early 20th century then, much farther). Today we not only believe that Modernity is dead - that human extinction will precede human escape from Earth, but that the world was never empty in the first place - that indigenous and non-European people are actually human beings, and didn't deserve to be paved under in the quest to reunite Europeans with God. As such, there's no returning to a "simpler, non-corrupt" version of Capitalism, because the ideological basis for Capitalism to be justified no longer exists. To be fair to the politicians, in a dying world money and power are two of the very few things that still exist. Another is the well being of the remaining human population, but that conflicts with money and power so there's a choice between the two.
This is the most thought-provoking UA-cam comment I've read and while it's intended to be a compliment, please also bear in mind that: 1) I'm dumb and 2) it might be a bit like winning the prize for the most reliable chocolate teapot as the second most thought-provoking comment was probably, "Fake! That's not a real chinchilla playing the accordion". I'm not well-read but the idea of Marxism not being worth trying to convert people into following If the future is hopeless is really interesting. Hopefully your ideas reach a wider audience than the UA-cam comment sections
"It's the biggest billionaire with the biggest house but he's also the biggest dork!" In a world where Donald Trump was president, this sounds exactly right.
Alice is already initiated. Bill is not. The first half of his story is him viewing things as a pleb, and then each scene is mirrored with him now initiated. Then their kid is given to some old dudes. OJ be like that sometimes.
The word 'distraction' keeps being used to describe Kubrick and his films, as if everything he did was done to mask an even greater meaning and significance (which ironically is the same sort of thinking/reasoning that leads some to believe that that the moon landing was shot by Kubrick in a studio) and part of me wonders if it's less a question of distraction than Kubrick in some instances and situations being genuinely tone deaf. In other words I get the feeling people are reading more into the movie than is actually there and he isn't nearly as brilliant as he's being made out to be (and his obsessiveness was little more than sadism, because he could). In other words, he's capable of making not-so-good movies.
@@azure5644 I have seen The Shining as well and I would argue that it's more a case of people bringing meaning to it than vice versa. For instance, the idea about Kubrick shoot the moon landing are mainly based on a sweater a character wore in the movie. It couldn't possibly have just been a little boy in a sweater because "Kubrick."
@@screenPhiles ok but that’s only one theory, a theory that a lot of people who like to analyze The Shining disagree with. Kubrick was known for being meticulous and precise with his filmmaking. There are deeper meanings and many layers to his films.
@@azure5644 I'm aware that that's one theory though you don't offer any. And how does being meticulous and precise with his filmmaking - which was never in question - change the likelihood that the viewer brings more to his movies that is actually there?
Another weird thing I noticed about this movie and the Hartfords weird relationship with their child is that in the first scene Nicole Kidman says to Tom Cruise “Did You give the babysitter the phony pager number?” Why on earth would you Give your babysitter fake contact info?
I'm almost positive you misheard her(and she spoke kinda poorly because I watched this last night and literally rewound that same line being baffled by it too). She says "the phone & pager number" and just says it so quickly it sounds like she says "phoney".
These rituals are Seinfeld for the devil!!!! He sits back and laughs at how serious these people take it; how he wants to torment them forever but they think they will get a reward or all the secret knowledge when they stop breathing!! Cumtown represent boy!!!!
It's funny how I basically never lose patience with films, and can watch all that sci-fi dad shit that 99% of people get angrily bored by, yet this film was so languorous, and every scene was such tedium that I despised it. I honestly couldn't care less what that tired old man was trying to say with his boring ass film. I enjoyed this discussion exponentially more than I did the movie. It's just interesting because of the gimmick of weirdo masked orgies, which aren't even executed well, as they point out.
EWS will always be a film detailing infidelity and marriage. It's that simple. If you want to throw in "these are what rich people do! crazy sex orgies!" then fine. But so what? We already know they do crazy and illegal shit. It adds depth to the film, I'll admit. But I enjoy this film for its thematic narrative of marriage.
The whole meat of the movie is the cult. You’d have to put blinders on if you think it’s only about infidelity and marriage, those are just two parts of many.
@@LordJagd That's literally not true though. Maybe a sixth of the runtime is dedicated to the "cult" scene. Much more of the runtime is dedicated to infidelity and marriage either literally or figuratively. The "cult" imagery isn't literal; it's symbolic. The ritual scene depicts the party from the beginning of the film but portrayed honestly as the sexual ritual it is. To claim the "whole meat" of the movie is the cult, you're straight up ignoring most of the movie.
@@KEIFERGR33N Everything after him finding Nick Nightingale is about the cult and him being stalked by them afterwards. The whole climax of the movie is Ziegler telling Hartford that the cult is too powerful to want to mess with. The film has a theme of infidelity through the whole thing, but the meat of the movie in terms of plot is the cult.
The movie was originally meant to be a comedy, but that changed as Kubrick worked on the script. It’s basically the opposite evolution of Dr Strangelove, which was originally meant to be serious but ended up a comedy.
Will goes from saying these cults and stuff aren’t real but “just fun to think about” to like half a minute later agreeing with Nick that there’s enough evidence that these things happen, lmao
This pot is making you aggressive
Too many bong hit transplants
@Eamonshort1 sorry I'm just high I don't have a thousand island stare
“As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a paedophile.”
🎺🎷🎺🎷🥁🎺🎷🎺🎷🥁
“🎤 _I’ve gone from rags to riches!_ “
So close yo. ( *I Know I’d go from* Raaaags to Richeeees...if you would only say you care. 🎶)
I knew this would be awesome before listening, but holy shit Nick Mullen as guest just doubles the awesomeness. Thanks for uploading, much appreciated
Nick Mullen is the best Chapo first by far
Same. Instant 👍
For all his, uh... brain issues, he really is perceptive and insightful
Hell yea dude
"It is a film version of 'the Aristocrats' joke." Stanley Kubrick
@Kayne not Kanye! : HOW DID IT DO THAT ??????
And now thats real life unfortunately
RIP Gil Godfried
god, this has got to be one of the funniest chapo episodes. i was in tears
This was a joy. I love that they were able to tear the film to shreds while pinpointing exactly what makes it powerful and unforgettable. Absolutely the right balance of irreverence and total respect. And Nick was a perfect choice of guest, too.
CRINGE
@@WHDRWN yeah well look that’s the risk you run when you talk from the heart
@@Jamesharveycomics explain more insect
they were not able to tear the film to shreds
“Tore it to shreds” you mean make fun of it from an ironic distance? Because that’s all they did. Nick at least mentions that there’s no way the “bad performances” were anything but intentional, since the film had a legendary number of takes and shoot days.
Oh hell yes, so excited to hear them talk about this very strange and dreamlike movie! This movie is often misunderstood, possibly it's Kubrick's best film. Thanks for the upload!
Totally agree! Any disconnect with eyes wide shut often stems from folks who try to take the film literally. But, it's more like a dream. A nightmare. An expressionistic painting. The source novel "Traumnovelle" translates to "Dream Story".
@@filmmakerdanielclements Yes! That is a great way of putting it! The movie is not too literal, it's symbolic & surreal. It's cool you say it's based on a book called "Dream Story" because it does seem like a fever dream. It's like the Spanish genre of "magical realism" which includes some really awesome movies such as "Abre los Ojos" and "Pan's Labyrinth" and "El Orfanato". Those movies are in a similar style. If you loved "Eyes Wide Shut" you'd probably enjoy them. 👍
@@osborn.illustration Love Pans Labyrinth! And isn’t Vanilla Sky (which I also love) a remake of Abre los Ojos?
Also in that Spanish sub-sub-genre is ‘The Skin I Live In’, I think? But I’ll definitely check out El Orfanato.
The dreamlike approach to style is so haunting and curious in its fantastical unfolding. Like how the moonlight in EWS is not just blue; it’s impossibly unrealistically blue. People don’t act naturally, but they’re over the top and hyper-natural (like Jack in The Shining). It also gives me the abstract interpretable puzzle vibes of ‘Mulholland Drive’ and Bergman’s ‘Persona’.
When Hartford talks Curran out of an OD with nothing but his voice I believe that was a satirization of Cruise's own medical philosophies...
I truly believe when you compare Cruise and Kidman's performances to the rest of the actors in the movie that it is apparent that the writing as well as the directing were working against both of them; or rather exposing them. Kidman over acted and Cruise under acted. They proved how little chemistry they had in their own relationship, how artificial they could appear in certain scenarios, and that they were so disconnected from the reality of how they were coming off in their performance that they went on with it and accepted Kubrick's style of directing, no matter how ridiculous.
interesting but kubrick does that in all his movies so... Also cruise is legitimately great in Magnolia, as is Kidman in Birth
@@tonywords6713 does what?
@@trenttalley924 I'm guessing he means fucking with the stars of his films to get these bizarre performances out of them
Now I need to hear an episode on the Shining
1999. The year Felix once hypothesized as the first year it would be worth it to be wealthy.
This is one of those films where, while first watching, I was transfixed by the simultaneous wishes to (a.) Be a part of that secret club of world-owners, and (b.) Find a way to place a mini-nuke or dirty bomb under the floor of that giant room in the satanic party mansion.
The world of the ultra-elite is fascinating to many because they secretly want to be a part of that world by worshipping wealth. I'm fascinated, because I want to know where along the way they lost their human souls and became monsters.
Kubrick skated that line, I do believe. Really wish he could have said more about that world, but perhaps hiding it within his films was the best he could do. That way, it could always be played off as fiction as they have been viewed billions of times.
Brilliant man.
When/why did he say that about 1999?
watch : Barry Lyndon
Amazing movie
it’s true, i mean it’s all of these robes, and masks saved up from every chintzy shop in New Orleans. you just know that Minnie and Roman Castavetes had way better parties...even the victimless ones.
In order to understand this movie. You have to understand the visual clues that Kubrick uses in other films. He uses recurring color themes (red n blue mostly) mannequin heads / Teddy Bears and all this stuff tells you things about the story. A lot of levels here. Too many to be accidental especially with how much of a perfectionist Kubrick was known to be. The kneeling cultists look like children. The shop keeper whores out his daughter for the right price. And the daughter (after picking up a teddy bear, a known tool of Kubrick's used to show child abuse) walks away with 2 men from Zeigler's party... C'mon guys it's right in your face.
Those two old men were just extras.
Their eyes were wide shut on this one
This a movie for smart people....dumb people enjoy low frequency commentary because they can not understand the complexity of a movie...So many plugged up to the matrix
he doesn't use recurring themes of any sort, there's a really good interview with him saying so because he feels if he did it would get in the way of the best way to tell the story being told
Bong hit transplant gets better and better over time
Did you know he originally wanted to do it as a low budget black and white comedy? First with Woody Allen then Steve Martin
This would have been so interesting
I wouldn't even watch it if one of those aholes were in it
"he can't come to the satanic party, he's gonna be weird about it"... Funny shit. The suave Luis C.K. of the film.
The ads on every major porn site are unironically infinitely more perverse & disturbing & raise more questions about the dark side of human nature than anything in this movie.
Reminds me of the old SNL skit 'Mel Gibson Dream Gynecologist'
it’s something that Jeff Bezos does for members of his board, except he fires one, and uses his bonus to host the party, to which everyone rolls their eyes and refers to as : ‘Jeff’s actual fulfillment center.’
I think there is something to the dream logic of communicating in echoes/questions
Just finished the movie. Very fun time. They kept playing this horror music on the piano that makes me think squidward is telling the story of the hash slinging slasher. The cult orgy was hilarious. The way everyone repeats what someone else says as a question is constant and hilarious. It's genuinely very ominous while seeming like it's kinda starship troopers satire. The end is ambiguous to where you don't know which it is.. Highly recommend if you liked Get Out or the Shining.
well no shit sherlock the same filmmaker made the shining lmao
@@tonywords6713 Still bears little resemblance to 2001 or full metal jacket.
@@zehsackett6132 or the shining or clockwork orange
Agreed! This movie is genuinely artful yet strangely funny. This movie is about so much more than audiences were ready for at the time. This movie is about so much more than it was advertised to be because Kubrick passed away before they did the marketing for the film. This movie was sadly very underappreciated when it came out, I remember everyone making fun of it. It was ahead of it's time. I'm happy that lots of people are reappraising it now. I love "The Shining" but "Eyes Wide Shut" was low key the best Kubrick movie.
Surprise Nick Mullen is the best kind
The movie is about deception
This is a great episode.
I thought the mask on the pillow implied that one of the elites was sending a message
Yup, I thought the orgy cultists put the mask on the pillow as a threat. As a message saying: "We know where you live, we are surveilling you. We are top echelon. You could never touch us. We did not harm your family THIS time, but we could've! We will next time if you make us. We advise you to cease your inquiries!!" There are different ways fans interpret the mask on the pillow - some think Alice was one of the masked orgy ladies but I don't think that idea bears out in the film.
Shot in 1997, not released until 1999.
It's so unbelievable that I'm gay
Nah it’s p believable
This film was released in 1999.
31:25 Nick calling out Will for constantly saying “worst ever”
I’m dying listening to this!!!🤣🤣
Great podcast. Finally finished this movie tonight for the first time. Always passed out in the past but watched the movie all the way through tonight and liked it. I think there are some interesting layers from it from classism, families, relationship dynamics, friend networks, and a lot more. I think what makes it interesting is finding a layer that’s interesting to you at the moment and exploring or considering the movie from that perspective. At the end the mask on the bed was clearly a mask off moment and despite both of their ALMOST affairs, mental and real, they accepted each other and moved on. I still wouldn’t trust that rich guy. Also still interested in the rich guy in the pool room at the end who said it was all a play. I know masons and some other groups who use “plays” to demonstrate concepts to move through degrees. I don’t think this is a common ritual though. I hope not. What a depressing world. I’m sure there’s plenty of debauchery going on in the world but it’s funny how classless and hollow these presumed elites are. The girl who OD’d on Junk and speed probably wasn’t rich though so maybe it was just the men bc the women seemed totally subservient. That would lead me to believe it’s a fraternal organization like masonry but this is not masonry.
I can’t remember laughing so hard 😂
Greatest comedy review of a movie EVER!!!!
Seriously this was a hilarious episode!! I've come back to listen to it again a year later. So funny.
This movie is based
Does anyone know which episode they review JFK by Oliver Stone?
ep 345, the deep-ly gay state
The problem with all the "Kubrick is telling us about..." theories is that for it to be true is to say that Kubrick is just as bad as they are. Kubrick isn't the hero everyone with these theories purports him to be by default.
Imagine knowing about pedo sex cults and not telling anyone directly, instead making the kinda-really good but still half-baked movie 'Eyes Wide Shut'. That's not a confession or expose', it's a non-admission. It's worse than saying nothing. It's tickle torture on a mass scale, lol. It's evil.
Or the faked Moon landing and 'The Shining'.
"I'll tell people by coding it in my open-to-interpretation movies thereby telling nobody!"
No. It's just a weird movie about bored rich people.
yeah, if he knew so much why didn't he just say so?
these theories are cool, but that one bit always takes me out of it.
You're so close to getting it
@@tonywords6713 ??? Please explain. I'd appreciate it. Fr cause I think there's a lot in this movie that says more than the casual viewer would catch. Like the ending with the daughter walking towards the men that were at the Zeigler party and she looks back as if to say goodbye. And as if to highlight that she picks up a big teddy bear (a clear symbol of child abuse in The Shining) right before that. Kubrick was a chess player. This movie works on quite a few levels.
@@subtleusername5475 because his entire legacy would be destroyed in a second a man can have an ego
@@subtleusername5475 Its implied in this movie that like the president is at this party, or people at that level. Who's gonna stop them when Kubrick tells on them? The police? Get a clue.
55:27 made me laugh for a solid five minutes.
This might be their funniest episode of all time.
Thought this film was underwhelming except for the eeriness of the cult scene. But some of the hints of a deeply plot mentioned here entice me to try it again
This is the best of Chapo, w/Mullen, making mince meat of EWS; more entertaining than watching the film itself.
Imagine the gurning face of Tom Cruise trapped in Salo.
Forever.
Arthur Schnitzel was really on one.
thank you for right off mentioning the repeating Tom Cruise (is that acting?)
On my one and only watching of this, I definitely noticed it right away.
Why would Kubrick allow that? If it's intentional, then what could it mean?
Made me wonder if this is just a tom cruise thing and that's what he does in his movies
Hollywierd and blue berries
Blueish berries
All timer
Oh shit, I never listen to chapo but the one time I do Nick is on it. Incredible
What,No more podcasts??
5:52 oh how much I regret cliking on this.
Kinda disappointed they didn't talk about production or context leading up to the film beyond acting direction
Where can we learn more on that
@@craigtrautmanjr9393 like in a million different places, the information is everywhere
Any good specific sources?
Well the masks in the thumbnail were originally made for a sequel to the Bob Hoskins Super Mario film based on SMB2. They were supposed to be Shy Guys, Snifits, and that floating head that chases you when you pick up a key in the vase pipes
The movie is about power. Period.
21:46 this part was sampled by Frank Ocean for his song "Lovecrimes", such a good song
A weird thing I noticed about this movie is that at exactly 7:06 (what would be the 6 minute and 66 second mark) the first words are said by the Hungarian character named Sandor Szavost. (Possibly a LaVey reference?)
Doesn’t tom cruises character seem like a grown up, possibly more pathetic, Holden Caulfield?
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@@jimbo9345 cool
Jay Dyer does a great job diving into this movie's esotericism
He should stick to that instead of LARPing as Orthodox
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1:33... Our first WOMAN speaks...
Kubrick was tailing Nightingale
Whats virgil's real name? Justin?
Virgil
Justin cass
Had to go watch it, actually found it fantastic. Can’t wait to finish the last hour of them talking about it because it was so dumb.
What’s dumb?
@@LordJagd the movie was exactly as ridiculous as they described it is all
@@FumblsTheSniper Yeah very intentionally so, I think the whole thing is supposed to be both laughable and horrifying. Kubrick normally went for that layered mood to his films.
My best friend Nick really nailed it.
In 1968, following developments in climate science, we collectively decided that human extinction would precede human escape from Earth. Capitalism became Zombie Capitalism, going through the motions without meaning, and Marxism became pointless, as liberation has no value without a living future. Marx himself lived before climate science, nuclear weapons, and most climate destruction. For him the human future was infinite - therefore Socialism had potentially infinite value. May 1968 was not a revolution - May 1968 was proof that there could be no more revolutions - this began and defined the Neoliberal era.
It's not that individuals are helpless in the face of powerful institutions. It's that powerful institutions and individuals themselves have no meaning or justification. Under normal conditions this would generate a revolution and overthrow of those organizations, but because the human population doesn't believe in its own future there's no deep value in revolution. Its just a particular way of rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Supposedly powerful institutions towering over helpless individuals is a useful fiction which distracts us from reality.
Post-1968 the Elite exist in a historically unprecedented situation. For most of history, whatever passed for the Elite guided and shaped human reality. There was tremendous meaning in that, because whatever exists in the present shapes and defines what can possibly exist in the future. But when the future itself is aborted, the present loses meaning and value. It no longer matters what one does in the present, because the future is gone no matter how the present is defined. The Neoliberal era first and foremost is this crisis among the Elite.
Sex is pure, both earthly and transcendental. Sex is the greatest threat to Christian culture which is why religious figures have always sought to control it. As the world dies and we need pure distractions, those not soiled by petty concerns, Sex and Pornography rise to the forefront of culture, not because we've "lost our values" as conservatives claim but because in our deeply corrupt world we need to cleanse ourselves, and sex and the orgasm in particular is a reset button on our consciousness - it's a fresh start for our exhausted and despairing selves. The orgasm is the easiest way to end one moment and begin a new one. We then analyze this new moment to see whether it contains hope that can be built upon.
I read this and I found it hard to agree with anything you said. Capitalism has been bastardized by corporatism hence why we see the stagnation. We don’t live in a full free market economy for capitalism to flourish. Yeah, it’s a sad state of affairs when the people we elect who maybe had good intentions at one time turn against us for money and power. That’s democracy for ya.
@@coderedcourier1611 Corporatism is capitalism fueled by high technology. It's not bastardized, it's just that Adam Smith or even Karl Marx could not have envisioned a global network of computers that allows for instant financial transactions across thousands of miles. Transistors and electrical science have enormously impacted capitalism.
The appeal of Capitalism was that the world was empty - it was "virgin land" to be exploited by the capitalists. This emptiness itself was fueled by the Copernican Revolution - by the need for Europeans to develop the technology necessary to move humanity to the Sun (and in the early 20th century then, much farther).
Today we not only believe that Modernity is dead - that human extinction will precede human escape from Earth, but that the world was never empty in the first place - that indigenous and non-European people are actually human beings, and didn't deserve to be paved under in the quest to reunite Europeans with God.
As such, there's no returning to a "simpler, non-corrupt" version of Capitalism, because the ideological basis for Capitalism to be justified no longer exists.
To be fair to the politicians, in a dying world money and power are two of the very few things that still exist. Another is the well being of the remaining human population, but that conflicts with money and power so there's a choice between the two.
I'd like to cut and paste this, Brian. Alas the YT ago won't let us. Brilliant analysis.
This is the most thought-provoking UA-cam comment I've read and while it's intended to be a compliment, please also bear in mind that: 1) I'm dumb and 2) it might be a bit like winning the prize for the most reliable chocolate teapot as the second most thought-provoking comment was probably, "Fake! That's not a real chinchilla playing the accordion".
I'm not well-read but the idea of Marxism not being worth trying to convert people into following If the future is hopeless is really interesting. Hopefully your ideas reach a wider audience than the UA-cam comment sections
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"It's the biggest billionaire with the biggest house but he's also the biggest dork!"
In a world where Donald Trump was president, this sounds exactly right.
lmao how was trump a dork? liberals are nothing more cringy weak dudes
Ha haaaaa take that drumpf
trumpists will never recover from this
Uggs are Australian.... So is Nicole.... So soooooooo mysterious.... 😒
Uggs are Australian??? So is...Nicole???
Alice is already initiated. Bill is not. The first half of his story is him viewing things as a pleb, and then each scene is mirrored with him now initiated.
Then their kid is given to some old dudes. OJ be like that sometimes.
The word 'distraction' keeps being used to describe Kubrick and his films, as if everything he did was done to mask an even greater meaning and significance (which ironically is the same sort of thinking/reasoning that leads some to believe that that the moon landing was shot by Kubrick in a studio) and part of me wonders if it's less a question of distraction than Kubrick in some instances and situations being genuinely tone deaf.
In other words I get the feeling people are reading more into the movie than is actually there and he isn't nearly as brilliant as he's being made out to be (and his obsessiveness was little more than sadism, because he could).
In other words, he's capable of making not-so-good movies.
You could maybe argue that for this movie (I haven’t seen it) but that’s not the case in The Shining. There are so many layers to it.
@@azure5644 I have seen The Shining as well and I would argue that it's more a case of people bringing meaning to it than vice versa.
For instance, the idea about Kubrick shoot the moon landing are mainly based on a sweater a character wore in the movie.
It couldn't possibly have just been a little boy in a sweater because "Kubrick."
@@screenPhiles ok but that’s only one theory, a theory that a lot of people who like to analyze The Shining disagree with. Kubrick was known for being meticulous and precise with his filmmaking. There are deeper meanings and many layers to his films.
@@azure5644 I'm aware that that's one theory though you don't offer any. And how does being meticulous and precise with his filmmaking - which was never in question - change the likelihood that the viewer brings more to his movies that is actually there?
@@screenPhiles I never disagreed that some people read too much into his movies.
Another weird thing I noticed about this movie and the Hartfords weird relationship with their child is that in the first scene Nicole Kidman says to Tom Cruise “Did You give the babysitter the phony pager number?” Why on earth would you Give your babysitter fake contact info?
I'm almost positive you misheard her(and she spoke kinda poorly because I watched this last night and literally rewound that same line being baffled by it too).
She says "the phone & pager number" and just says it so quickly it sounds like she says "phoney".
@@nignamedmutt7270 ah! Quite Possible
These rituals are Seinfeld for the devil!!!! He sits back and laughs at how serious these people take it; how he wants to torment them forever but they think they will get a reward or all the secret knowledge when they stop breathing!! Cumtown represent boy!!!!
There’s no devil lmao
This is a gift from Lucifer! Hail Satan!
It's funny how I basically never lose patience with films, and can watch all that sci-fi dad shit that 99% of people get angrily bored by, yet this film was so languorous, and every scene was such tedium that I despised it. I honestly couldn't care less what that tired old man was trying to say with his boring ass film. I enjoyed this discussion exponentially more than I did the movie. It's just interesting because of the gimmick of weirdo masked orgies, which aren't even executed well, as they point out.
“sci-fi dad shit” like what?
EWS will always be a film detailing infidelity and marriage. It's that simple. If you want to throw in "these are what rich people do! crazy sex orgies!" then fine. But so what? We already know they do crazy and illegal shit. It adds depth to the film, I'll admit. But I enjoy this film for its thematic narrative of marriage.
The whole meat of the movie is the cult. You’d have to put blinders on if you think it’s only about infidelity and marriage, those are just two parts of many.
@@LordJagd That's literally not true though. Maybe a sixth of the runtime is dedicated to the "cult" scene. Much more of the runtime is dedicated to infidelity and marriage either literally or figuratively.
The "cult" imagery isn't literal; it's symbolic. The ritual scene depicts the party from the beginning of the film but portrayed honestly as the sexual ritual it is. To claim the "whole meat" of the movie is the cult, you're straight up ignoring most of the movie.
@@KEIFERGR33N Everything after him finding Nick Nightingale is about the cult and him being stalked by them afterwards. The whole climax of the movie is Ziegler telling Hartford that the cult is too powerful to want to mess with.
The film has a theme of infidelity through the whole thing, but the meat of the movie in terms of plot is the cult.
Much agreed, the marriage of the main characters is what the movie is about.
They really dropped the ball on this one
120 Days Of Sodom portrayed way more fucked up shit than this movie. Saying this cuz of what y’all said about the cheese pizza
they are literally chanting ‘allahu akbar’
The movie was originally meant to be a comedy, but that changed as Kubrick worked on the script. It’s basically the opposite evolution of Dr Strangelove, which was originally meant to be serious but ended up a comedy.
all of his movies are comedies, wtf
Huh, that really does explain a lot about this movie!
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I’m glad they Will blew off Nick’s Summerton connection for a Die Hard Christmas joke
Will goes from saying these cults and stuff aren’t real but “just fun to think about” to like half a minute later agreeing with Nick that there’s enough evidence that these things happen, lmao