P.E.V. Electric Scooters & EUC's - Charging : Are Fast Chargers Too Fast?
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Charging electric devices is a tricky subject. There is a firm camp of believers that are sure that quick charging is bad for your device. While it's true, there is evidence to show that quick charging might decrease the overall life of your battery, slightly. I've ridden for thousands of miles on my scooter and never thought twice about how I charged it... After a year of discharging and charging, I've noticed no significant decrease in speed or range. (I might range test later to prove this...) . But anyway, In today's video we look at what effect quick chargers actually have on the internals of your scooter and if they are, in fact, damaging the internals by overheating them. (temp excess of 120F or 48C )
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What really matters is you find out the resistance of the specific battery has . The 50s samsung is amazing I think. 35a. Some batteries have mixed batteries. Thanks for the vid
Nice! Good to have Nismo around to check what you are doing :D also - always useful to check max recommended current for a chargeport, max what the BMS can handle and check battery cells for max charge limit.
Also: I'm curious about what temp would be with the lid on ;) but useful videi, thanks!
Ugh I should've mentioned. I did place the Iid on for about mmm 50 minutes? (No screws in) and temp increased 1 degree. I suspect the metal casing on the scooter was acting as a heatsink of sorts.
Max recommend from manufacturer was 16amps! I couldn't believe it, and I had so many people telling me not to charge past 5amps... But I guess it can handle way more than we think.
And yes, Nismo was very 'helpful' 😂
@@GingerOnWheels thanks for the info! That's valuable info!
Curious about who said you can charge upto 16 amps. I have been told by mini motors USA to not charge with more then one of their fast 6.5 amp chargers on my thunder. It even says in the manual fast charger and stock charger is fine. Even in wolfs Manuel it says 10 is ok. I really want to use two 6.5 amp chargers at times on my thunder.
I follow you cause you are down to earth, staight shooter. Keep it up!
Thanks, I appreciate that. I try to keep it as real as I can on this channel.
Your current limits are only applicable to the connectors, fuses, and wiring. A real fast charge is 3c (3 times the pack current rating). 1c (1x pack current rating) is considered safe. That means your 20AH pack can take 20A charging rate, and a King GT can take 35A and still be in normal charging. Your wires and connectors probably won't handle that kind of current, but your cells won't care.
Exactly.
Agreed
You're handing out bad info on the king gt pack. the lg lm50t cells from LG in seven parallel can safely take 23 amps per the data sheets. I am charging at 20 amps no problem. But only after upgrading the charge wire gauge to 10 gauge, which requires opening up the pack.
Hi ginger on wheels I'm in the UK been watching your videos for sometime now I own a techtron ultra 5000 scooter I have owned a few scooters in the past 20 years I have purchased a few fast chargers and had no problems ever usually a scooter will come with a 1.5amp charger mine came with a 2amp charger but purchased a 5amp charger never had a problem very informative video keep it up
Been charging my Wolf King GT and Storm at 10 amps because of you and I can say no problems s far. I can say though I riee in -30 C and the range I get going 90kmp 55 mps more like 20 miles. the cold affects the battery more
I'm watching every video you make now because I learn something new in each one and the commentary is just so good!... Not just a ride video like everyone else, your commentary makes them very useful. Especially because you ride a Kaabo Wolf all the time... I just ordered from Fluid Free Rides both a Wolf Warrior and the Kaabo Mantis. Don't know what to expect but from the reviews, including yours, they're both very good... Plus, thanks for listing the products you use, i've purchased the phone holder, bag and a couple of other things, all good.
I'm glad you enjoy the content! I try to keep it useful, but I know I talk a lot 😂🤏. You're going to love the Wolf warrior, can't go wrong there. Feel free to share the channel with your scooter buddies 😊
@@GingerOnWheels Thanks, will do.
7:14 your cats are adorable lol
Ginger! Cool new intro. Great video!
Thanks, glad you liked it :)
Very cool man I feel like I learned something. One of these days and I’m gonna have to open up one of my decks and it really worries me. I’m closing in on 10,000 cumulative miles I know my good luck cannot last forever. I feel a little less intimidated now that I got to stare at the innards of yours. Your cats lol too funny.
Ya man if you ever have any questions feel free to gimme a shout. I've done just about everything there is to do with scooters by now and I'm always around if you need me. I wonder what the guts of a Dualtron look like ...
I think most people don't take their scooter apart to charge it. By removing the footboard you are allowing the battery and controller to dissipate heat instead of that heat being trapped inside the compartment accelerating the increase in temperature resulting in much higher temperatures. I'd find a follow-up video interesting in which you keep it enclosed as most people likely do and only open it once the charging is complete to get an accurate temperature.
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I already did a follow up video addressing this exact topic 😁
@@GingerOnWheels sorry I need to go on a Ginger binge this week and catch up!!!
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The aluminium top plate will act as a heat sink and dissipate a lot of the heat and maybe better on than if off!
You don’t take your scooter apart to charge it?
As an RC car guy i would think even 10 amp would be ok. As long as all the cells are getting equal charge. The good 21700 batteries can candle 1C pretty regularly.
Probably shouldn’t point that laser at all that wiring with the cats around. 😅😅😅
Great video only question i have is Wouldnt it get hotter with the deck on since heat cant escape as much ?
I actually made a follow up video on that topic. Answer turned out to be no, not much if any.
Has your battery capacity degraded noticeably after 2 years? How many amps do you usually charge at?
Fantastic video, well done, great experiment!! Thanks.
Thank you! Cheers!
lol the cats thought you wanted to play with the light from the heat gun lol 😂😅
Ginger: Don't forget that when you OPEN the cove you're DISSIPATING THE Heater much quicker. Normally the batteries are TOTALLY enclosed with the cover I can guarantee you that they're much hotter when they're totally enclosed (heat cannot escape/dissipate easily). Think about it.
Please read my below response to this comment. Watch my Instagram too, I'll do a short post on this where I charge up then remove the deck at the end and measure temps. The metal scooter body acts as a heatsink.
Great answer to a great question
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Used to know all this charging "witchcraft" years ago...That was when I was really into electric RC models.Reasonably good with a soldering iron too.But,I guess I've forgotten quite a bit since then.Heheh..Your vid has nudged my memory cells a bit and I believe you're right on the money.Don't quote me on that tho... ;-)
"witchcraft" hahah. Ya that's what it seems like to me. Too many rules! I just charge to full when I realize its not charged and that's about as much thinking as I put into it, normally. I'm going to range test the wolf when I get it fixed up to see if charging it to full over and over has actually decreased battery life.
Hi there, I hope you get this message, I wanted to say, that I really appreciate your honesty and truthfulness, the fact that you tell it as it is, I’ve watched other videos on the same subject, and they’re not as direct and truthful as yourself. So Thankyou, for your energy in your videos. Btw, I’m subscribed 👍🏻
Hey thanks 😁 , I'm trying hard to keep it genuine on this channel, glad people are noticing.
@Ginger On Wheels I've seen a Falcon PEV video (for Zero10x), where they recommend not going past 5 amps because of the BMS. If you give too much amperage to the BMS, there'd be some risk in frying that component by going over spec. It's a consideration of the battery arrangement combined with the spec for the BMS. Hope you stay safe bro!
I've done 20 amps many times and not yet a problem . I don't recommend but in my case I was testing as I wanted to install higher rated bms for faster charging but diff t have too so far . I stay at 15 amps for 90% and then go to 5 amps
Nice vid, I cannot speak if it's true for the charging port of the Kaabo but be careful when putting in the main plug first into the socket and then into the scooter because there are scooter-sided plugins that can be plugged-in in a wrong-poled way if you don't pay attention so you could actually short circuit the whole battery - my D4+ has such charging ports and the LED on the charger will actually turn red instead of green to signal there's a poling issue. I'm actually glad having had not the main plug connected that one time, otherwise my battery could've been toast..
So your saying plug the charger into the scooter ports first then plug it into the outlet?
Yeah that right, that’s what I have been told. Plug into the battery port then and only then you switch the power on
Yeah but you will get carbon arcing at the connection point as the capacitor in the charger will not be equal to the battery voltage ! That will destroy your charge port eventaually
If your pack is getting hot during charging at 2c, its because the IR is getting high meaning the pack is degraded.
I'm charging my wolf King GT at 20 amps. The lm50t cells in seven parallel can handle 23 amps. The pack actually cools down while charging after a ride
Wow! that's a bit fast for me. 😬
Great video 👍🏾
Maybe you think it is allowed to use the two 5 amps charger in a scooter? What is the problem if you both 2 charger connect on to charger port?
GINGER..... whats up brother? I love how great your channel is turning out, keep it up!!!! So you never said in the video but how long does it take with the 2 5amp chargers to go from 58v to 67v full.... THANKS!
yea. it doesnt hurt the Battery. but what about the Scooter itself?
in germany we have a "manufacturer" called IO HAWK. they import international scooters, modify them for german laws, and put their name on it.
the "IO HAWK Legend" is a modified Kaabo Mantis 10 for example. and now they released the Legacy (modified VSETT 10) and Collide (Modified VSETT 8).
the Legend (Mantis) had a 5A Fuse on the input, between the Charging port and the Battery Input. so even if the battery could handle more, you cant put more than 5A into it (and it has only 1 charging port).
now the VSETT models have two charging ports.
but IO HAWK says strictly, that you must not charge your Legacy (VSETT 10) with more than 4A. which is either one charger with 4A or two chargers with 2A (stock charger is 2A).
so ... after everything i know, 2x 4A is no problem, and makes 8A charging in total. BUT ...
i dont know if the two charging ports are handled separately, or just go parallel inside the deck, and go into the battery as one connection.
and i dont know if there is a fuse.
and i dont know what the BMS says to 8A.
so even if 8A is fine for the battery/cells, it still might be a no-go.
but also might work perfectly fine, even though IO HAWK says "never do that".
(one thing to mention is that the Legacy only has one controller, while the VSETT 10 had two controllers)
only way to find out is to open up the deck of the scooter. but the Legacy is freshly released, barely any videos, and barely anyone looked inside it.
i dont have a Legacy yet, so cant check it myself.
Do both of the chargers has to be plugged in ?
wondering if i can use the regular charger and the fast at same time for ninebot g30 ?
@ginger on wheels Hi just wondering if you know if you can use a fast charger and a normal stock charger at the same time?
Usefull! Thx! Maybe add time stamps, it helps being found in google and forwarded to your video as well it’s handy for me to just go to the subject I was looking for, still a very good video tho!
Always make sure you don't charge your battery right after a ride. Make sure to give it time to cool down b4 charging. For people who don't know this.
respect i always have but only been scooting 6 months i now know not to
That goes for all lithium batteries.
how do you know when it it fully charged?
Great video , it really helped me with questions I had . The Wolf King GT I just bought has 2 chargers , how safe are these scooters . Have you heard of any of these scooters failing and catching fire ? I see you own quite a few scooters , have you had any problems . I'm really sketched out as I went down the rabbit hole of video's showing house fires from this .
You blow your shit up yet...😆 🤣 😂
Hi Ginger on wheels.. I just brought the wolf warrior X Pro..
60v and 28ah.. do you reckon I can also use two 5amp fast chargers.
Yes.
@@GingerOnWheels thx bro for tips and tricks.. 👊
Hi just wondering if you know if you can use a fast charger and a normal stock charger at the same time?
I have an X2 and want to know if I can do the same.
Hi. Like uou mention in this video, I've got charging port cable goes straight to tge battery no the controller like yours. What's the difference?
have u tride batery swaping ?
Yo bro, I gotta question !? - I have a Kugoo G Booster(48v 23ah battery). I currently have a 1.6a charger --
Q) - What would be the fastest charger to buy without ruining the battery??
PLEASSEE HELP MY GUY,
Luv the vids - your a smart guy man.
It is okay for 60v 60 ah battery? For two 5amps charger^?
Cool video bro new sub..are you ever going to do a video on adding an external battery for longer range?
Is it safe to do 5 amp on both ports with wolf king gt. Ik its bigger 35 amp battery. I have 1 5amp charger plus stock ones
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Yea but whats the temp with the deck closed??
But i also think that it will get much hotter when you have the scooter closed because a normal user wouldn t pop off the top just to charge the battery so it can stay cool... and also thanks for switching to celsius :))
Very true... I did place the lid back on top for about 50 minutes or so during this test and it didn't change the temp more than 1 or 2 degrees F. I think the metal frame of the scooter was acting as a heat-sink of sorts. BUT I do wish I'd tested to see with the lid bolted closed. :/ Maybe next time!
If you use that fast charger set to 80-90% state of charge, is it safe to leave the scooter plugged in? I.E. over night or longer?
Yup! Both the charger and the scooter have cutoffs built in that will stop battery from charging at a certain # of volts. IF both of those systems fail though for whatever reason, you'd have a very crispy house.
Ginger On Wheels damn dignity right my friend!
Always best to pull your batteries off charge when you go to bed, or atleast have a co2 fire extinguisher and a few bags of sand, with a lot of fire alarms if you don’t, just to be safe, you never know when something could fail and a lot of components built in China tend to have some minor construction flaw or another and will fail unexpectedly.
The only time you should leave it plugged in after it’s done charging, is when you want to make sure your cells are getting balanced completely (this is assuming your bms will balance your cells when they are charging, there are so many variables when it comes to bms it’s ridiculous, you’d be surprised how many different bms would be in the wolf’s batteries over the time it’s been available, due to simple supply and demand)
Sorry for my long winded comments, I just wanted to support Gingers comment, he (you) did an absolutely ball busting amount of research to learn about lithium cells. (There’s years and years more worth of data to take into consideration but eh)
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@@JamiePineappleWyatt No you don't have to disconnect the charger from the scooter when done charging because the charging stops once it reaches full. Keeping the charger connected has no I'll effect against the scooter nor does it create hazard condition..
Hi there do you know what the grey wires do in the deck i have a female reciever open many thanks
Typically it is fine to charge the 18650s at .5c or about 5 amps per 10ah of battery. (2-2 1/2 hours charge time) I believe LifePO4 can be charged at 1c. And Lithium Titinate is way faster if I remember correctly and lasts about 10 times longer. You can charge them all faster, provided the BMS allows it. It just reduces there life span and as the cells degrade over time it becomes more likely to cause a fire or explosion. Cheers
so fast charging bad i wanted to get a 3amp charger from a 1.5amp
Reallt great video. How long does it take you to fully charge and do you always charge up to 100%, what about lowest % you tend to keep on your battery? Wonder what is the optimal A for Mantis 24,5ah battery.
Ginger knows alot more then me,but I been vaping for 6 years and a little familiar with 18650 batteries,so here's my opinion for now. If your gonna ride your scooter within a couple days of charging theres nothing wrong with 100% charging the problem is charging to 100% and letting it sit there for long periods of time fully charged. They do say if you only charge to 80/90% your battery will last long as far as how many times you can charge them. From what I understand is they break down while in that 100% charged state so as long as there not just sitting at 100% for long periods I DO MYSELF,AND I DO RECOMMEND...... charge 100% and enjoy your scooter!
I usually do 'deep cycle' charges (1amp) when I'm just letting it charge in my house and I don't have an urgent need to use the scooter. I always charge it up to 100%. I know there is a lot of evidence to suggest that this will decrease overall battery life but I haven't noticed any after near daily charge/discharges for a year. Sometime's I'll even charge it up to 100% and leave it for a couple days on accident, or it'll start snowing and I can't ride... If there is ONE guy on the internet who would've experienced loss in longevity of their battery, I think it'd be Yogisteve from Electric scooter academy on youtube. I'm curious to ask him.
@@GingerOnWheels Charge cycles are definitely good. Discharing battery till shut off definitely does the most degrade of the battery, a lot more than charging to 100%. It is recommended to not go below 20% or 30% and not go above 80% or 90% which suppose to prolong and give you 2 to 3 times more of charge cycles before battery going bad, but that is the catch, if you charging in that way you get to use basicaly just half of the battery capacity and have to charge a lot more frequently, basically not winning much at all by charging and trying to save the battery. I would really love to see a detailed test, with two same batteries, and see how much miles overall of lifespan you would be able to get with both batteries.
@@TheChazas I've read those 'rules' in lots of places, too. And there are articles out there proving they are true. BUT I've driven my scooter until shutoff and been stranded lots of times. I should definitely do another range test to see if my battery has significantly less capacity.
@@GingerOnWheels How many miles you already did on your Wolf? I wish the market would ditch this outdated battery tech and have less degrading cells, but it is good for companies and specially phone market, since batteries after a year or two degrades so much making you want a new phone, specially new flagship phones that eats battery and all the super fast charging.
I'm getting the mantis pro monday , I wanted to get this fast charger , but I'm scared it my blow up or some shit like that. Lol
You'll be fine with 1 fast charger. Should be no issue at all
You using the Galaxy Note 9?
I have a question. I got the Wolf Warrior today and ordered the faster charger. Can I use one single charger it came with and one rapid charger? About how long will it take to charge?
Hi there can i charge my warrior 11 with a 5amp charger + a 2amp charger(originals charger) or i need 2 same charger 7amp will be too much ?
Thanks for this video! I always wonder this type of stuff. My battery on the Lightning+ is also 60v, but its smaller in capacity so I bet its not set up internally the same. I did hear that the two ports on mine all connect to the same stuff inside the battery so it doesnt matter what port I use. I assume that means I can use one 5amp and one stock 1.7amp charger at once.
I was told by VoroMotors (through whom I purchased my Wolf) that I should not mix the standard and the fast charger. Any thoughts, gingeronwheels? Or anyone else?
@@deirdre444 I'm wondering the same thing , I just bought a Wolf king gt . you have had yours for a year any problems ?
Coming from a different world but in the remote control car battery world we try to never charge more than 2c right I guess my question is are these batteries rated it and how many milliamp they are because you’re so divided by 1000 and I would give you the maximum amperage you’d want to charge one at Safeway for example a 10,000 mA battery pack you could see if we charge it at 10 A no problem even 20
I have a question, it doesn't relate to E bikes batteries specifically but maybe you can help me. I have a 24 V PCB based battery, Each PCB has 7 batteries and there are 24 pcbs so 7S 24p..18650 batteries. What type of charger do you recommend?? And at how many amps should I charge it? should I fast charge it 5 amps To 10 amps ? It has a 60 amp BMS.
thanks for the video Ginger, I have a question for you, could I use the fast charger of a dualtron 60v 6,5ah in a kaabo mantis GT pro? thanks a lot!
If the output volts and end connectors are the same on both chargers then you can swap them safely, yes.
hi, I just purchased a Varla Eagel One waiting on delivery, will this fast charger work with this scooter. TIA Love your videos and learning a lot from them.
I wouldnt go with more than 5 amps for the varla.
I live on my boat and require a way to charge my d6+ with a 12V cigarette lighter outlet. Can anyone point me to what adapter I need to accomplish this?
wonder if two 5 amp chargers would be safe for the wolf king
I have a question, why my wolf warrior pro + 60V 35AH have a Samsung battery instead of LG?
Is it better than LG or not?
Does anyone have the dimensions on this Wolf Warriors pack? I would like to know if it would fit onto my Mantis Pro.
6:37 not Europa but most of the World
it's not like haveng gas stove in yer house is it ?
You know that it is not the laser that measures temperature? It just helps to aim. From one foot away it is area of approximately 2 inches in diameter that is being measured.
Sorry for my english :P
Can u put a fast charger and one stock charger at the same time ?
Yes
bought a zero 10x 4amp chatger for a 52v 18ah battery charges in 5hr which is great have beats 12hr plus just stressing out dont want to mash my battery long term down the line i hope am ok
am i people ???
it says on the box that i should use now and again not all the time
Your cats are adorable.
I couldn't agree more.
I have a stock and a fast charger. What do you think of using them both at the time on a Vsset10.
One at 5a one as 1.5.
Any issues?
Thanks
No issues. Totally fine to use both.
How do I have 2 warriors king and 11 but the batt don’t last the way I want of course I ride like a maniac over 45 all the time 😬😎 you know if they going to make like a battery pack that you can change on the go thanks.
Dualtron Storm is your best bet. Sell the Wolfs. Dualtrons get more range per watt hour anyway. bit.ly/VoroStorm $100 off with code GINGER100
My Kugoo G booster's battery says 54.6 V 3A max but im using a 54.6V 5A charger for fast charging , am i damaging my battery ?
No
Question new rider how low can I take battery or should take battery before recharging? Percent or volts reading if I'm saying it right.tks
Depends on the nominal voltage of your scooter battery
Ok thanks I bought the Mantis pro Se. I'm kinda fluffy so ya. My first scooter its cool
@@GingerOnWheels this b captainjack, when I was Making a short clip for you to see I seeing the silhouette of a screw head under the tape so I believe I found them thanks a lot you've been a great help. keep posting videos they help a guy like me out! Tks
Remember that the cats are giving you a false reading as their body temp id say is prob similar to humans , especially when the temp measuring wand is not right up against the battery/wires.So is repeat measurements just to be sure, cheers, Otherwise very nice scooters you have there, I’m thinking of getting the wolf warrior at some stage, laters bro’.
it all depends what the BMS is rated to do. you can give it all the amps you want. But the BMS dictates how the pack gets charged. period. no discussion there... discussion begins at what percentage you charge your battery to, not how fast. 80% is the golden number to help maintain the life of your battery pack. Please reply any questions.
Doesn't matter how many amps the BMS can handle if the wiring to the BMS melts first. It's really small, like 18awg. Not sure its safe for those wires to charge above 5amp per port. At 6 amps they start getting warm.
If the battery is 60V, a bit more voltage is used to charge. For a 36V battery the charger is 42V. For a 60V I think it is 67V.
Yup. 60v is the nominal charge. It actually charges at 67.2.
For fast charging 4 things matter. First is the current handling of the plug. These GX16-3 plugs are rated for 7A. It can handle more but it is not designed for more. Next is the power handling of the cable from the charging port to battery (thin cables heat up the most, they typically use silicon wires so the isolation will not wear and break when heating up), next is fuse that may be in the cable from charging port to battery (if you put through more current the fuse blows), third the BMS set maximum charging cirrwnt that acts as a safety against overheating (typically somewhere between 6A on Mantis and 10A on the Wolf again to protect wires and copper/solder PCB Paths and only finally the cells charging capability which is almost always higher then everything else listed here (standard charging is 0,2C for MJ1 cell which is in this case 35Ah*0,2= 7A. Fast charging is 0,5C which would be 17,5A. And for the chargers used it is not important if you mix 2 standard chargers or a standard and a fast charger or two fast chargers, all will work. Important is which part is the weakest in terms of current handling and if you exceed that with the total Amps of charging.
Wow! Thanks for the info. Where were you when I was making this video?! 🤣
@@GingerOnWheels I thought about making many educational videos myself but were busy at the moment. And I like your videos very much :)
I have a Kaabo wolf warrior gt. I am charging with a fast charger 5amps and the factory charger both eat once. Have been told that it is save. I also have two 5amp fast charger but have been told that it’s not safe so now I am confused on what’s safe or not
Best scooter ever!!
Take into consideration that the deck was removed, so there's passive cooling happening there.
Hi can someone help me I have kaboo wolf x pro problem is Don't move everything works fine but wheels don't move it is motor ? Or controller ?
Controller likely blown.
it is now work because swap cable new on display but on single motors speed moree power that on dual do you no why ?
Another great video man! Now I feel confident about fast charging..or at least at combined 10A. Thank you for that.
Do you know what is the difference or impact of charging using single or double ports for charging? For i.e. charging 5A in each port = 10A vs. 10A in one port (the other port left unused)? The reason I ask is because I’m thinking about buying a 10A fast charger and carrying it with me on rides as opposed to carrying two 5A chargers. But, I’m concerned if it would damage/compromise the battery...
No idea of the difference between 10a in both vs 10a in single port.
I have put 18 in one port and only got slightly warm after 1 hour
Man I really love this video I have a question for you I'm buying a powerful ebike and yes it is a big blue battery like yours except its a 72.v52.5ah they said that I can use a 10amp charger for my battery and still be safe if I use the 5amp charger it will take me 8 to 12 hours to charge and that is ridiculous to wait that long but I need your opinion what do you think because you use 10amp charger with no problem so should I be fine
10 amps will be completely fine.
it can also be a problem to discharge the battery fast on dual motors turbo mode and open throttle and lights on over a longer periode or distance on my scooter the battery was HOT max charge is 68v my charger is 2amp x2 no over heating
Yup, that heats it up much faster and hotter than charging.
15ah battery 1860cells would i be ok with 3amp charger my range on scooter is 28,31 miles range
Absolutely
@@GingerOnWheels thank you
Nice video! I'm guessing that you could safely charge the battery just as fast as you can discharge, right?? Like if a scotter discharged the battery at 15 amps regularly it should be able to be charged at 15 amps
You can discharge the wolf at 90 amps, 45 for each motor. Charging is ~15amps max.
@@GingerOnWheels damn!! Thats pretty interesting, I figured you could at least charge half as fast! The battery chemistry just doesn't allow that I guess! Loving my 10x, thanks again for recommending a call to REV rides!!
@@GingerOnWheels Generally Lithium Ion cells like these can safely handle a 10c (10x pack current) continuous discharge rate. Again, limited by wiring.
I just bought a 84v 10a charger from the scooter store. I can safely use it on my kaabo king correct ? Someone told me today that the mantis has a 5a fuse so I've been reluctant to use the 10a charger because i dont wanna blow a fuse.
This might be a little late for you, but I'm pretty sure I just blew a fuse on my wolf king using a 8A charger.
What’s your recommendation on fast charging a Vsett 10+ (60v 25a) using one port and using two ports?
You can only safely run 5 amps per port. I'd get one of these.
pevoutlet.com/product/scooterfastcharger/
@@GingerOnWheels that charger is perfect!! Thanks Ginge, I’m going to order it right away. I just bought a used Vsett 10+ used in mint condition.
@@GingerOnWheels is it safe to leave the charger plugged in after it’s fully charged? Will it turn off automatically when fully charged?
@@SmokinonPEVs yes it will turn off automatically. For the .00001% chance there is a fault in the charger and the battery BMS though, it's always best practice to unplug the charger before you leave the house, or go to bed. 🔥🔥 Is bad.
What voltage do you recommend recharging at for a 72v battery scooter? On my 60v I never let it go below 53.8v so I’m assuming for 72v I should recharge around the 67.2v mark. Just wondering if u could run scooter lower for more range if desperately needed.
On 72v scooters I charge up to 84 volts and discharge down to 60ish.
so I got my wolf today and immediately drove that 50% charge to 5% and did my first charge as Dual. I had the stock and rapid charger from Voromotors that gives 3.5A. On facebook i was given this chart that shows 60v batteries will indicate in the display 100% is in the area of 67.2 but at the moment having charged about 5 hours, my charges havent turn green to indicate finished and its reading 67.8. Should I disconnect anyway and not worry?
Chart you saw on Facebook was incorrect. 67.8 is actual full charge.
What is the button on the side of the charge ports?
Underglow blue lights
How fast dose it charge your scooter from dead then?
amp hour rating of battery / amps of input = hours of charge time. For any scooter.
Can I use 8A charger instead of 3A in my 17.5 ah battery package?
It depends on your BMS and what the internal wiring is like. But as far as the cells go, you can safely charge them up to 8.5amps (0.5C).
@@GingerOnWheels Thanks man👍
Does it matter if you use 2 times 5 or 1 times 8 or 1 times 10.?? How much do the cables handle.
Now that's a good question. I only ran a max of 5 amps through each of the battery input wires, but given the fact that I barely saw them heat up, I'd venture a guess that it's probably safe to push more amps through one port. But I don't think its recommended to run different charging input's into the 2 different ports at once.
@@GingerOnWheels Hey, great video. Fluid said that you could run the OEM charger and the fast charger at the same time. Not sure they are right and since they only offer a 6 month warranty, It might not matter. Getting clear info from them was like pulling teeth so I appreciate you doing this.
Anyhow, I'm guessing you're going to see the most heat during discharge. So if you were running very aggressively uphill and then use the regeneration braking to charge it might get even hotter. I wonder what the max regeneration amps would be. Need to put a temperature probe in there while you ride.
Using that same logic, I've got one 10 amp charger but that would still work on this setup, correct?
As long as the wiring from the one charge port to the battery can handle it. I don't think it can. That would be 1200watts which would require 2awg wire and I don't think its that thick.
Hey man great video! Quick question though: I am getting an electric motorcycle from china thats 72v 120ah. Sadly they only provide me with a standard chrger, like the one you would use to plug into your monitor or pc and is rated for 10ah. I found a charger online that states it can do 84v & 20ah and want to use it as I don't perticularly like waiting hours for my bike to charge. Would that work or just cause my bike to explode haha. If you like I can send you the link of the charger I found, and maybe you could even help me find one better suited for me. Thanks and keep it up!!!
Send me a link to the bike and both chargers. I simply don't believe they exist. 72v 120amp hours is MASSIVE, like 200lbs worth of battery. I don't know much about emotorcycles but that thing sounds big. Second, chargers are rated in amps, not amp hours.... third, there is almost no standard household outlet that would allow a 20 amp charger and not trip the breaker (maybe a garage outlet or gfci?). I've personally never seen an 84v 10amp charger. Just so many questions here....
@@GingerOnWheels Also, the charger that comes with the bike isn't shown anywhere, they just told me it comes with a 10A (my mistake, not ah) fast charger and I was just guessing that it would then be a 84v charger.
Ginger does your fast charger percentage settings work? I ordered the same one from fluidfreeride for my WW 11 and if I set it to 80% or 90%, it always charges it to 100% no matter what. I'm currently working with fluidfreeride tech support on this issue.
Yeah it shouldn't charge to 100% if you said it below that. Fluid free ride will probably end up sending a new charger
I have an outstorm and it dies now while I'm riding it after less than a mile. It's new. Have you ever had this happen?
I would store that scooter outside. Don't attempt to charge. Contact manufacturer. Sounds like a collapsed or dead cell in the pack, could start a fire.
@@GingerOnWheels oh wow I didn't think it was going to be something serious like that 🤦♀️ thank you for getting back to me! I'll keep it outside and contact them
I wonder if kaabo reached out to Him and told him to take this down. because they keep exploding their scooters
That's an issue with the wire placement, not the chargers. It's a manufacturing flaw that puts pressure on the wires /bms when people stand on the scooter deck.