How About Some More Niche arguments that weren’t quite necessary for the complete and accurate conclusion but would still offer insight and answers to those who are curious? Thumbnail inspiration credit @ThunderGodTG Now while most of the arguments were compiled by me, like the subspace and entire FTG section, the Kurama Biju bomb assertion, the KCM1 Cloak being held by the Tetragram, along with a few others and though there was a lot more pieced together, I’m obviously not going to attribute those to myself seeing as some points just could be put together easily if you just read coherently. Although for the credited arguments not mentioned in the video, (from what I know) the discord scaler ‘Chrome’ brought up to Sage (who told me) that fourth Hokage is inscribed in the Toad scroll, the discord scaler ‘MyobokuMerchant’ first attributed a very similar argument to base Hashirama scaling under the wood style. And there is another argument that SageofThickCalves uses as a wincon for Minato that I don’t personally use but could be valid, and it’s that Minato could drop an opponent into the subspace as a BFR. The Naruto Storm Generations Cutscenes that are claimed to be canon to the anime (by Cyberconnect2) have Minato actually beating up both Hiruzen and Jiraiya for the title of hokage, proving further it’s a power point; although I would take it with a grain of salt, atleast for its canonicity because who are CyberConnect2 to claim something’s canon? You could also argue against those events by using Minato’s third Databook file which lists Jiraiya as who Minato would most like to fight, which could imply that haven’t fought. Another Minato’s argument commonly used to his benefit that I don’t think holds near as much water as people estimate would be Hiruzen showing active fear at the fight of Minato’s coffin raising (in his Orochimaru Fight.) the reason why is Hiruzen, yes, could be implying Minato is the most piwerful or most difficult to manage, sure but he is also facing already two kage so just another one isn’t going to help his case at all and it could be that third opponent being where Hiruzen drew the line in the amount of hokage level opponents he could battle at once. A way to support Minato’s narrative of being a savior you could also derive he was a savior to Kushina, as well with how she is paneled through the One Shot to be the princess in the tower, a damsel in distress if you will and Minato would be the savior to that. As for Minato’s sealing the one decade on hundred ninja guide has a common mistranslation of Minato being able to sever chakra. Another mistranslation would be the opening volume summary that VIZ localized to say “power rivaling the fourth hokage” when in fact neither Minato, nor fourth hokage are not mentioned whatsoever within the kanji. There are a total of 16 statement’s about “The Yellow Flash” eight are explicitly in reference to Jonin, four are explicitly hokage and four are left up for interpretation. Making it obviously much more likely that “The Yellow Flash” is a title explicitly use to identify Minato in a specific chronological setting rather than a general sense. Such a chart is also advantageous to the position of “The Yellow Flash being for either” as the term “fourth hokage” is used through all of part one as the method of identification of Minato’s character prior to knowing that more personalized name; making it way more likely that, again, “The Yellow Flash” is only in reference to Jonin Minato. (Shoutout to Sage for that collage which is available in his Server!) In chapter 419 Killer Bee states “Well that sharingan dude’s (identifying MS Sasuke) probably the toughest fellow I’ve ever fought” which could be interpreted as a method to place Minato under MA Sasuke’s according to Bee’s direct remembrance of Minato’s power. However this is simply both a mistranslation and a misinterpretation of the contextual implications; here’s the raw kanji: 今までやった奴らの中でもあの写輪眼は一・二を争うぐらい 強かったからな・・・which directly translating to “Out of all the guys (I’ve fought) up until now. That sharingan is competing for about first place because it’s strong…” (shoutout to TG for the translation.), This implies that in the basis of Sasuke’s possession and usage of the sharingan, (likely encapsulating the Amaterasu) Sasuke is competing with one other person for maybe, first place. The other character in question, is contextually the Raikage Ayy, as you can note comparisons between the two throughout the battle such as when Bee notes that Sasuke was the first besides his big bro to dodge his v1 speed. Therefore in culling this with the rhetoric and the already highly advanced lore for Jonin Minato, Bee isn’t accounting for that Minato and is likely just making a comparison between the Raikage during their sparing matches and Sasuke on the basis of his sharingan mastery. Minato is likely already in contention for the title of Hokage during his jonin days when Obito is taking the Chunin exams, seeing as Minato is overseeing the exams alongside Hiruzen (who is Hokage) in chapter 599, like how Shikamaru oversees Naruto’s work, Tobirama oversaw Hashirama’s work etc. Minato being above Tobirama and or the other homage in speed could be shown through his much weakened and insanely fatigued self fully reacting to Juubidara’s TSO projectiles, when Juubito (who is weaker and slower) was able to blitz through both Hiruzen and Tobirama with the TSO and their extension in Hiruzen’s case. The claim that Minato isn’t above base Hashirama on the basis of Kabuto stating that Hashirama is the only man who could beat Madara would just be Kabuto’s knowledge which is prone to be wrong as he admits to Madara when revived in chapter 559 that he doesn’t know what Madara’s power was like in its prime. He is simply making an inference based upon reputation, same goes for Hashirama who had numerous fairy tales circulating around his name. Lastly, for Minato’s KCM2 scaling above BSM; he also manages to rebound from the blowback force in chapter 645
I love Minato as a character. But at some point I realized I was just listening to a video of someone using their glizzy glurp glurp 9,000 to full effect.
An HOUR vid on Minato. ngl, I think we have been getting alot of minato videos. He is not overrated nor underrated, we know he tuff!! They call him the DRINK
its not really speculation if there are statements putting itachi or shisui at the top of the clan . not fugaku . however there is the counter argument that fugaku kept his ms secret from his clan. however the village must have some sort of idea of how strong and fast and powerful he is especially when they at one point considered him a hokage candidate. so overall i think the statements about itachi and shisui being above fugaku should be valid. espeically when its backed up by feats . even kid itachi made a bigger fire ball jutsu on his first try. what do you think ?
@@enjoygary Itachi thought a fight with Fugaku would be close and since Mangekyo isn’t canon there’s no point factoring that in to Itachi’s statement meanwhile this same Itachi had Orochimaru pleading for his life in a matter of seconds and even when Kabuto came to support Orochimaru he still chose to flee. You could easily argue that Fugaku is above Sannin level
@@TheAwsomeManny you could but we don't know for sure. I'm tired of scaling people off of their reputation. Some people think prime Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama because of hearsay like that. I'm sure Fugaku was strong but it's dumb to scale a guy we have never seen fight.
@@derekseago9647 I know about the lore, but it’s not enough to dissect. We don’t know almost anything his battle style, tactics, stamina, weaknesses, battle history etc. People want to argue who’s stronger Fugaku or Minato but we don’t know enough about him to say that. It’s a pointless discussion. We know something but it’s all vague information. We basically have to trust his reputation.
He’s probably tied for strongest of the OGs with Hashirama. Both have markedly different kits, but if you were to ask me who I’d rather face, it would be Hashirama, because at least Hashirama at times spared his enemies lol I wouldn’t even have time to blink before my throat was opened by a kunai
Imma need a video on lightspeed from you one of these days. Just your general opinion on it and what should and shouldn't be used. Maybe something to think about in the future
@@KristopherDorsey-rq8eklight speed in naruto is the same as our world interms of speed and properties a jutsu chakra which is made out of imaginery energy can change or amplify said speed or properties Which we can't do in real life because we don't have this imaginery energy But we can cuantify it if we did that's why in power scaling you have twelve times light speed but there's nothing faster than light in our world
Completely wrong interpretation of how the clash between Minato and A went down, which is not to say that I'm necessarily disagreeing with your conclusions, but you need to retrace your logical structure. What do I mean? When Minato was about to get blitzed and punched in the face by A and he threw the kunai, he did not throw it in the tree, he let go of it and teleported to a kunai that was already in the tree and then teleported back to the kunai that he let go of which after a fraction of a second was already behing A. The whole scene is meant to show Minato's reaction time and repositioning speed
@@robro9777 Yea the interpretation of him throwing the kunai to the tree takes way more head canon than the anime interpretation. If you notice Minato only has one kunai in his right hand and after he teleports he doesn’t have it and there’s literally 0 implications that he threw it either way towards and from the tree. And if you look at where the kunai is in relation to As body if Minato threw it from the tree the kunai would be facing more towards A than the ground and we would see more of the back of the kunai than the entire side of it, it’s simple perspective drawing if they know anything about it. The fact Minato needed to rely on FTG to dodge A TWICE convinces me he’s not faster than him in travel speed.
@@t2nexx561Minato is able to teleport twice while ay was in the same spot. His reaction speed is far greater than ay + if he was able to move his hand while ay is 1 cm from his face only shows Minato can move way way faster than ay. That was his base mode as well.
@@t2nexx561 you don’t even understand.. if my reaction speed is so much faster than you that you look as if your in slow motion allows me to understand Minato is also physically faster which is why he was able to MOVE while the raikage was already in his face lol. The travel speed thing doesn’t even exist fans just made it up. If you’re fast you’re fast all around (physically) just like if your strong then your strong all around (physically). Also travel speed makes no sense because anything on your body moving is travelling. You extending your arm allows the punch to travel to someone’s face.
@@DatsLegitness One, the term slow motion is not really applicable in these sequence of paneling. Two, moving a single extremity takes less electronic signals to send to motor neurons than moving both your legs or rather the process of running which is actually a whole body process. FTG is not a physical feat it’s a jutsu so the only physical feat you have going on for Minato is his reaction speed which is sorta impressive but Bee was able to react to Minatos striking speed which proceeds reaction time that your clamoring about so I guess Minato and Bee have relative reaction time which no longer seems that impressive
Minato being a Perfect Sage in comparison to Naruto compared Jiraiya is extremely impressive. Minato’s gathering of Natural Energy is slower than Naruto probably due to lacking the Kyuubi Chakra & Uzumaki Genes. However, Hokage Minato should be able to summon Ma and Pa for Unlimited Sage Mode along with Senjutsu enchanted Frog Song Genjutsu. Imagine KCM2 Minato’s using Sage Mode as well to boost his combat and reaction speed and other physical attributes! Sage KCM2 Minato should defeat Sage Hashirama High Difficulty!
Yo Virhtue, are you trying to make your voice deeper/more serious? I like it, it sets a tone for the video. You got my attention and interest. Great piece, very well put together, you had to put a lot of time into this. Thank you, very good work 👏 keep it up brother. I'm not the biggest Minato lover but I don't mind hearing you out and enjoying the show 😊
The Length. Respect for the video's shown. S-Ranks are wild. I know that you are likely just calling out Yashiro's character but damn everyone I hear talk about Yashiro kinda seems like they hate bro. THE TAIL SWIPE? I feel like a Weight was taken off my back.
To be honest he was the child of Prophecy. He just transfered his Prophecy to his son. He didnt need to die with the 9 tails but you know. PLOT. So yeah he was the strongest excluding Hashirama and Madara (the descendants)
I had this conversation with sage about fugakus power in the anime being over his novels counterpart where he disagreed with the statement I made, you know how itachi can use his ms abilities his base sharingan form in part 1 I think that is the case for anime fugaku as well as danzo not knowing about fugakus ms until itachi told him about it sometime after the Uchiha massacre since danzo and itachi and the rest of the Uchiha clan didn't know that fugaku had it which made me think that fugaku must have awakened it during the 3rd war during this time you may ask it makes perfect sense for fugaku would have enough time to train it and keep it a secret for so many years whereas his novels counterpart didn't do that and choose to show it when he can which is not a good idea against somebody like danzo who would have used itachi and shisui against him as a contingency, sorry for my long rant man I will talk more about this topic for another time.
Virtue SPITTING with this one. The thing I like about you is that your claims are never baseless. You probably do the most research in the game and always back up you points. Banger vid
I hate the retcon i just wanted him to be unpararraled in terms of shinobi world in the first story is like that but when kishi choose the ashura indra thing his value dropped down he even compared people like 2nd hokage, shusui, itachi minato will and should SLAM anybody who is not reincarnated or otsutsuki
I disagree with Kurama by himself scaling massivley above KCM2 Naruto's avatar... his feats pale in comparison and it's a combination of both Naruto's skills and power + Half of Kurama's chakra. Gyuki also hints that more chakra or "tails" doesn't always directly equate to more power. Huge amounts of Power can be achieved even with a small amount of chakra depending on how its controlled and used. Not saying Minato doesn't scale to Kcm2 Naruto by other means, I just don't think that specific part of the vid was a good argument
I agree, but had Minato lived longer, he would have created and mastered new powerful jutsus. I do not doubt that he would have created new Sealing Jutsus like the Reaper Death Seal without sacrificing his own life, and that would be awesome. From the point of view, Minato might have surpassed Hashirama in terms of abilities, but not likely in strength.
Consistent issues seemed to be not acknowledging actual context behind certain statements being made for scaling, mostly in the case of the knowledge of the characters making those statements. Clearly kurama would have no idea that hashirama can seal the ten tails or edo madara so trying to scale minato up to him isn't justified. Hiruzen not knowing the full extent of orochimaru's abilities when making statements, this was blatantly clear in the fight. Minato himself saying that obito would get more powerful- and this obito would be the one naruto has to fight obviously. This continued even when talking about itachi's scores and not acknowledging that he was younger than he was supposed to be. Generally acknowledgement of these factors would probably lead to better scaling. There's issues with scaling off of the titles hokage/ay as well but much longer to detail. Minato over kurama: the 'reaction to tailed beast bomb speed' unfortunately you ignored the distance kurama was away and didn't show actual comparable scenarios, distance is just as important when discussing speed. Skipped rest of kcm2 justifications, think this is where minato's assertions are the worst and most exaggerated. 8G guy feat: all we really get to is he's able to teleport away from an incoming guy mid air, yet was earlier still unable to teleport away from juubidara, who earlier we saw was simply far slower than guy at least on the ground. So guy > juubidara both can hit minato before he can teleport away > guy mid air, guy mid air seeming slower than lee's thrown kunai. Lee's thrown kunai potentially blitzing half the top tiers off of the same outlier scaling everyone likes. Return to obito fight: its interesting that the panel where minato claims that obito will get more powerful, if he doesn't kill him, was ignored. Meaning the obito minato is talking about isn't scalable to the one he fought. Beyond that minato had no concept of cooperation with the ninetails to bring out its full power, what he was asserting was kcm1. So kcm1 would be needed to beat a OM obito who minato believes is stronger than masked man he fought. Then mental nerf arguments, these mostly wouldn't be an issue if everyone stopped relying on outliers as if they are indicative of consistent capabilities. If you die on mental nerf hill then when he's side by side with naruto you gotta die on the mental amp hill too. Tobirama can sense people countries away > minato sensing twenty shinobi. Itachi took test and was progressed through at an accelerated rate so tests would have been taken at younger ages, can't really use him to scale minato. Kakashi likely was also accelerated due to war although we have conflicting ages for him. Shisui was not really a prodigy like that. Looping it back around to compare to orochimaru/tsunade/hiruzen in terms of intelligence would have been more compelling imo.
@@DatsLegitnesslol I think You under estimate the sheer amount of hashirama cells obito infused in his Body when he faught Minato, that it's actually ridiculous.
0:23 nobody that makes videos my friend because i have been saying a lot of the points you made for years, some of you dont notice because i dont make videos
@@Virhtuelet’s be real I definitely put you and loko on if you look at past comments you’d see I said eveything you’ve said and more. Back when you were meatriding loko and not telling him he was wrong
Yeah.... but he's not. All offense, No defense. Hashirama tanks anything he has, and one-shots him. Boruto is strongest offensive ninja btw, Naruto was second
0:50 His age is not known for certain to be 15. It could be closer to his twenties. 1:29 Shisui was noted in those same columns to only have reached renown after Minato's death. 1:34 Kakashi did not join the AnBu until after the war. Mission count is not really a gauge of power/strength, either, given Jiraiya has more than both, whilst Itachi only has one S-rank mission. 2:40 Being next in line/groomed for the position does not mean he already surpassed his father. His father, right next to him, is also called A at the same time, of course. I would like to not he is the one who lopped off Hachibi's horn, though. 7:40 Hiruzen actually stepped down due to political disharmony as noted in Itachi Shinden. 11:15 He was already weaving the seals before it was fired. 14:23 He does not have to teleport to every kunai, it is that he can teleport to any of them. 16:00 That might be referring to the Sengoku Jidai as Edo Tensei Madara is considered near equal to Obito elsewhere (which still supports the Kurama Mode narrative). 21:25 Possible it took longer to transit the much larger mass of chakra. 40:18 He could not send anyone else. They had an agreement. I imagine he did not expect him to actually fight Kurama, either. 42:00 VIZism. In Japanese he is questioning if it is Minato, not that it has to be. Barriers are not seals, either, they are a different field of ninjutsu. 53:35 Fukaku is considered the strongest in his clan, possibly stronger than Massacre Itachi. Minato is above both, though, yes.
Yes, it is true... There is no proof Kakashi is not already graduated from the Academy. Shinobi do not always wear their hitate-ate off duty, as shown by Naruto when Jiraiya's death was reported. In the Sha no Sho omake, Kakashi was not even wearing his mask casually. It would be on the person claiming he is not graduated to prove he would have to have it on.
Just finished watching Six´s debate from yesterday about Hashirama vs Minato where he basically Hashi would rape Minato....this video should be better and more honest about the GOAT!
@DatsLegitness so the truth seeking orbs only negate the regeneration of the edo tensai, so when the edo tensai jutsu was released he was whole again and fine in the after life? Because I thought it was unclear how far reaching the neg effects were from the tso
@@safeandsound712 I’m saying once your a clump of energy around other clumps of energy it’ll just respawn. Sakura got hit with a madara truth seeker rod and she was fine so idk.
The only HoKage that would beat Lord Minato in a blood lusted fight to the death is... Naruto Hashirama That's it... not including edo Minato... People always say Hiruzen, but I'm not convinced... People say Boruto Era Kakashi, but I don't watch Boruto & I doubt it...
I would argue hokage kakashi could beat him. We know that combat speed counters ftg as seen with madara vs tobirama. kakashi is equal or above base koji in combat speed . who scales above delta who was relative to supressed six paths sage mode kcm2 adult naruto in combat speed. this would scale kakashi significantly above minato in combat speed. also kakashi has omnidirectional shiden which he could use to counter an stun / potentially one tap minato which would at least create an opening for his next attack . shiden has the ap to easily cut through minatos durability . fire mist jutsu has country level ap / dc seeing as it countered the shuigu which was gonna flood a country and its stated to be using hagoromos chakra. since kakashi has more chakra he can outlast minato then hit him with this attack. minato cant fully seal kakashi due to kakashi having far more chakra and chakra control . kakashi has superior taijutsu . equal kenjutsu. superior iq and biq and exp. and genjutsu.
Minato gets dogwatered on by Hashirama, Madara, and KCM2 Naruto. Kurama himself stated during the war that Minato and Kushina were “pathetic” compared to KCM2 Naruto. Also him vs Tobirama and vs EMS Sasuke during the final fight against Juubito could go either way. People speculate the Sasuke that wrapped Kurama in a full susanoo likely had the perfect susanoo at that point, and if that’s the case then Minato would definitely lose to him.
he already covered why tobirama was potrayed as superior. its because minato was hindered by his stupor. its a valid argument. and because of this nerf in combat speed/ reaction speed kcm2 minato > base minato > stupor kcm minato
I’m a little confused on the scaling, is minato on par with KcM2 or above the full Kurama, which shouldn’t that be the same thing? I’ve personally seen minato as physically comparable to initial biju naruto, and a little weaker than mastered biju naruto, and with his full arsenal/abilities being on par if not slightly above base hashirama/full Kurama
@@Virhtue at the same time, didn’t kakashi see initial biju Naruto as minato, possibly making him as fast as minato/making minato closer to half Kurama stat wise?
@@VirhtueCompletely incorrect. Kurama himself stated during the war that Minato and Kushina were “pathetic” compared to Naruto at the time, who was KCM2.
"fanboy" is just one of those overused words by kids nowadays. When you provide any backing to a character, they accuse you of this. It's like we're supposed to not give credit any character at all. 🤷
According to your FTG argument Kamui could also be a Greater Spacetime Ninjustu because Kamui is actual Teleportation not just stupidly high speed movement through subspaces
@@giannixx it's slower because of the transition but he still goes instantly to another place once he is in his dimension, with again the transition cast time.
He actually called It a better Technique not space time lol kamui is better because it does not use seals and can transport just the body part back and forth. Also with kamui you still would need to be fast as he has to travel kamui the same way Minato travels the subspace.
@@TsuChan_ How do you know he goes instantly once he is there? In chapter 636, after having Kakashi destroy his heart seal, Obito exits the Kamui dimension in order to become jinchuriki of the Juubi, and he does so by manifesting the swirl around his eye, exactly in the same way he enters and how he absorbs and expels things and people to and from there. So, he also takes time to exit the place. It's exactly the same as FTG/Hiraishin, only that we never see Minato or Tobirama in this other dimension/subspace. Also, Hiraishin is for all intents and purposes teleportation, as it is near instant. Minato can go to the other side of the planet in the blink of an eye (if he has a mark there). The trait of negating distance travelled is kinda the main point of teleportation. Kamui also counts here, though it is slower than Hiraishin. But if you want to keep using this more strict definition of the term, then "true" teleportation does not exist in the Naruto universe.
@@kaizel2264 You're correct about the reason Minato considered Kamui better when compared to Hiraishin, but he did call it a better Space-time Ninjutsu. It is usually translated as "better teleportation", but he does say "jikūkan ninjutsu". "Jikūkan" (時空間) literally is the Japanese word for "spacetime".
Fugaku, Shisui and Orochimaru are all better than Minato. Minato couldn't beat young bee alone. He didn't beat Ay either thanks to bee again. He only dodged him which is extremly easy when you can instant teleport. Ay is dumb also. Ay was probably talking about speed and not teleportation. Minato is said to be a genius only because he mastered FTG and created rasengan. Minato couldn't beat Kurama while Hiruzen could because Minato lacks power. Minato may win in duel but is powerless in certain situations. Bijuu bomb clearly isn't as fast as susanoo arrow, everyone reacted to and dodged bijuu bombs, only sage kabuto dodged susanoo arrow. Kakashi or Obito aren't KCM2 level threats. they are just strong enough to not be outclassed. Minato isn't faster than Tobirama in reaction of ftg. Only in shunshin. Take 14 yo obito as proofs is crazy, minato only won because obito was dumb. He is no KCM2 lvl threat at all. Sage Naruto beats Minato since he most probably dodges anything Minato can do. No pannel shows how the fight against kurama went. minato doing a rasengan to a small bijuu bomb doens't make him overpower the bomb, it even made him uncouncious. Genjutsu stare is because they are dumb. Or Kishi forgot. Minato can't counter Genjutsu. The fastest clear time is the forest of death and minato was with his team, thanks god they did it faster than itachi that was younger and solo. what an impressive feat for minato. If Fugaku isn't strong Minato isn't either. Minato was the least wrothy of his title, he only got it because Fugaku is uchiha, and Orochimaru was too evil. The shortcuts, the misconceptions, the amount of bs, the delusion, the glaze.
How About Some More Niche arguments that weren’t quite necessary for the complete and accurate conclusion but would still offer insight and answers to those who are curious?
Thumbnail inspiration credit @ThunderGodTG
Now while most of the arguments were compiled by me, like the subspace and entire FTG section, the Kurama Biju bomb assertion, the KCM1 Cloak being held by the Tetragram, along with a few others and though there was a lot more pieced together, I’m obviously not going to attribute those to myself seeing as some points just could be put together easily if you just read coherently. Although for the credited arguments not mentioned in the video, (from what I know) the discord scaler ‘Chrome’ brought up to Sage (who told me) that fourth Hokage is inscribed in the Toad scroll, the discord scaler ‘MyobokuMerchant’ first attributed a very similar argument to base Hashirama scaling under the wood style.
And there is another argument that SageofThickCalves uses as a wincon for Minato that I don’t personally use but could be valid, and it’s that Minato could drop an opponent into the subspace as a BFR.
The Naruto Storm Generations Cutscenes that are claimed to be canon to the anime (by Cyberconnect2) have Minato actually beating up both Hiruzen and Jiraiya for the title of hokage, proving further it’s a power point; although I would take it with a grain of salt, atleast for its canonicity because who are CyberConnect2 to claim something’s canon? You could also argue against those events by using Minato’s third Databook file which lists Jiraiya as who Minato would most like to fight, which could imply that haven’t fought.
Another Minato’s argument commonly used to his benefit that I don’t think holds near as much water as people estimate would be Hiruzen showing active fear at the fight of Minato’s coffin raising (in his Orochimaru Fight.) the reason why is Hiruzen, yes, could be implying Minato is the most piwerful or most difficult to manage, sure but he is also facing already two kage so just another one isn’t going to help his case at all and it could be that third opponent being where Hiruzen drew the line in the amount of hokage level opponents he could battle at once.
A way to support Minato’s narrative of being a savior you could also derive he was a savior to Kushina, as well with how she is paneled through the One Shot to be the princess in the tower, a damsel in distress if you will and Minato would be the savior to that.
As for Minato’s sealing the one decade on hundred ninja guide has a common mistranslation of Minato being able to sever chakra.
Another mistranslation would be the opening volume summary that VIZ localized to say “power rivaling the fourth hokage” when in fact neither Minato, nor fourth hokage are not mentioned whatsoever within the kanji.
There are a total of 16 statement’s about “The Yellow Flash” eight are explicitly in reference to Jonin, four are explicitly hokage and four are left up for interpretation. Making it obviously much more likely that “The Yellow Flash” is a title explicitly use to identify Minato in a specific chronological setting rather than a general sense. Such a chart is also advantageous to the position of “The Yellow Flash being for either” as the term “fourth hokage” is used through all of part one as the method of identification of Minato’s character prior to knowing that more personalized name; making it way more likely that, again, “The Yellow Flash” is only in reference to Jonin Minato. (Shoutout to Sage for that collage which is available in his Server!)
In chapter 419 Killer Bee states “Well that sharingan dude’s (identifying MS Sasuke) probably the toughest fellow I’ve ever fought” which could be interpreted as a method to place Minato under MA Sasuke’s according to Bee’s direct remembrance of Minato’s power. However this is simply both a mistranslation and a misinterpretation of the contextual implications; here’s the raw kanji: 今までやった奴らの中でもあの写輪眼は一・二を争うぐらい 強かったからな・・・which directly translating to “Out of all the guys (I’ve fought) up until now. That sharingan is competing for about first place because it’s strong…” (shoutout to TG for the translation.), This implies that in the basis of Sasuke’s possession and usage of the sharingan, (likely encapsulating the Amaterasu) Sasuke is competing with one other person for maybe, first place. The other character in question, is contextually the Raikage Ayy, as you can note comparisons between the two throughout the battle such as when Bee notes that Sasuke was the first besides his big bro to dodge his v1 speed. Therefore in culling this with the rhetoric and the already highly advanced lore for Jonin Minato, Bee isn’t accounting for that Minato and is likely just making a comparison between the Raikage during their sparing matches and Sasuke on the basis of his sharingan mastery.
Minato is likely already in contention for the title of Hokage during his jonin days when Obito is taking the Chunin exams, seeing as Minato is overseeing the exams alongside Hiruzen (who is Hokage) in chapter 599, like how Shikamaru oversees Naruto’s work, Tobirama oversaw Hashirama’s work etc.
Minato being above Tobirama and or the other homage in speed could be shown through his much weakened and insanely fatigued self fully reacting to Juubidara’s TSO projectiles, when Juubito (who is weaker and slower) was able to blitz through both Hiruzen and Tobirama with the TSO and their extension in Hiruzen’s case.
The claim that Minato isn’t above base Hashirama on the basis of Kabuto stating that Hashirama is the only man who could beat Madara would just be Kabuto’s knowledge which is prone to be wrong as he admits to Madara when revived in chapter 559 that he doesn’t know what Madara’s power was like in its prime. He is simply making an inference based upon reputation, same goes for Hashirama who had numerous fairy tales circulating around his name.
Lastly, for Minato’s KCM2 scaling above BSM; he also manages to rebound from the blowback force in chapter 645
Another Minato glaze!! LET'S GOOOO!!! 🤩🤩🤩🤩
He could be the missile defense system for a whole country
I love Minato as a character. But at some point I realized I was just listening to a video of someone using their glizzy glurp glurp 9,000 to full effect.
We gotta Obito glizzy slurper over here lmao
Never saw this much glaze since Swagkage with Madara 💀
Only thing is I’m right
@@Virhtue No you are not
@@TsuChan_which part is he wrong on because i agree with all of his arguments.
You keep the goat swag out of your mouth
You keep the goat swag out of your mouth
An HOUR vid on Minato. ngl, I think we have been getting alot of minato videos. He is not overrated nor underrated, we know he tuff!! They call him the DRINK
That new underated trend is being most heavily pushed by your boy
@@Virhtue push someone’s who’s actually underrated than. Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Temari the strongest wind user
@@TheCEOofTheMomentdude minato is actually very underrated people think kcm 1 Naruto beat him
@@joeyntl4904 their trolling
@@TheCEOofTheMomentnaah bro they really believe it 😭😭😭 you gotta debate them in these youtube threads
We don't know how strong Fugaku Uchiha is. It's pointless to try to speculate since we have almost nothing to go off of but vague lore and hearsay.
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its not really speculation if there are statements putting itachi or shisui at the top of the clan . not fugaku . however there is the counter argument that fugaku kept his ms secret from his clan. however the village must have some sort of idea of how strong and fast and powerful he is especially when they at one point considered him a hokage candidate. so overall i think the statements about itachi and shisui being above fugaku should be valid. espeically when its backed up by feats . even kid itachi made a bigger fire ball jutsu on his first try. what do you think ?
@@enjoygary Itachi thought a fight with Fugaku would be close and since Mangekyo isn’t canon there’s no point factoring that in to Itachi’s statement meanwhile this same Itachi had Orochimaru pleading for his life in a matter of seconds and even when Kabuto came to support Orochimaru he still chose to flee. You could easily argue that Fugaku is above Sannin level
@@TheAwsomeManny you could but we don't know for sure. I'm tired of scaling people off of their reputation. Some people think prime Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama because of hearsay like that. I'm sure Fugaku was strong but it's dumb to scale a guy we have never seen fight.
@@derekseago9647 I know about the lore, but it’s not enough to dissect. We don’t know almost anything his battle style, tactics, stamina, weaknesses, battle history etc. People want to argue who’s stronger Fugaku or Minato but we don’t know enough about him to say that. It’s a pointless discussion. We know something but it’s all vague information. We basically have to trust his reputation.
Fantastic video, masterfully made.
Do you think you could do a similar video style for Tobirama sometime soon? He is your channel avatar/mascot afterall. I'd love to watch that.
Always fun to hear about minato ^^
He’s probably tied for strongest of the OGs with Hashirama. Both have markedly different kits, but if you were to ask me who I’d rather face, it would be Hashirama, because at least Hashirama at times spared his enemies lol I wouldn’t even have time to blink before my throat was opened by a kunai
now we need an in depth on comp kakashi after war arc. you and sage pop off on doing the research and accurately scaling based on this information.
About to be 54 min of straight glaze 😂 hopefully I'm surprised tho I'll watch the whole thing
Glaze that’s indisputable
Minatochads rise up..
Wwwwwwwww
You guys sure do like using "the strongest" thumbnail lately
It’s a fire thumbnail
Imma need a video on lightspeed from you one of these days. Just your general opinion on it and what should and shouldn't be used.
Maybe something to think about in the future
To be honest it depends if lightspeed works like it does in our world but in cases in other verses it's treated differently then it does in ours.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
@@KristopherDorsey-rq8eklight speed in naruto is the same as our world interms of speed and properties a jutsu chakra which is made out of imaginery energy can change or amplify said speed or properties
Which we can't do in real life because we don't have this imaginery energy
But we can cuantify it if we did that's why in power scaling you have twelve times light speed but there's nothing faster than light in our world
You are all already under my genjutsu
Cap
Yep minato glazers definitly are under a genjutsu
Completely wrong interpretation of how the clash between Minato and A went down, which is not to say that I'm necessarily disagreeing with your conclusions, but you need to retrace your logical structure. What do I mean? When Minato was about to get blitzed and punched in the face by A and he threw the kunai, he did not throw it in the tree, he let go of it and teleported to a kunai that was already in the tree and then teleported back to the kunai that he let go of which after a fraction of a second was already behing A. The whole scene is meant to show Minato's reaction time and repositioning speed
@@robro9777 Yea the interpretation of him throwing the kunai to the tree takes way more head canon than the anime interpretation. If you notice Minato only has one kunai in his right hand and after he teleports he doesn’t have it and there’s literally 0 implications that he threw it either way towards and from the tree. And if you look at where the kunai is in relation to As body if Minato threw it from the tree the kunai would be facing more towards A than the ground and we would see more of the back of the kunai than the entire side of it, it’s simple perspective drawing if they know anything about it. The fact Minato needed to rely on FTG to dodge A TWICE convinces me he’s not faster than him in travel speed.
@@t2nexx561Minato is able to teleport twice while ay was in the same spot. His reaction speed is far greater than ay + if he was able to move his hand while ay is 1 cm from his face only shows Minato can move way way faster than ay. That was his base mode as well.
@@DatsLegitness None of what you said has anything to do with travel speed meaning running with his legs
@@t2nexx561 you don’t even understand.. if my reaction speed is so much faster than you that you look as if your in slow motion allows me to understand Minato is also physically faster which is why he was able to MOVE while the raikage was already in his face lol. The travel speed thing doesn’t even exist fans just made it up. If you’re fast you’re fast all around (physically) just like if your strong then your strong all around (physically). Also travel speed makes no sense because anything on your body moving is travelling. You extending your arm allows the punch to travel to someone’s face.
@@DatsLegitness One, the term slow motion is not really applicable in these sequence of paneling. Two, moving a single extremity takes less electronic signals to send to motor neurons than moving both your legs or rather the process of running which is actually a whole body process. FTG is not a physical feat it’s a jutsu so the only physical feat you have going on for Minato is his reaction speed which is sorta impressive but Bee was able to react to Minatos striking speed which proceeds reaction time that your clamoring about so I guess Minato and Bee have relative reaction time which no longer seems that impressive
Minato being a Perfect Sage in comparison to Naruto compared Jiraiya is extremely impressive. Minato’s gathering of Natural Energy is slower than Naruto probably due to lacking the Kyuubi Chakra & Uzumaki Genes. However, Hokage Minato should be able to summon Ma and Pa for Unlimited Sage Mode along with Senjutsu enchanted Frog Song Genjutsu. Imagine KCM2 Minato’s using Sage Mode as well to boost his combat and reaction speed and other physical attributes!
Sage KCM2 Minato should defeat Sage Hashirama High Difficulty!
Yo Virhtue, are you trying to make your voice deeper/more serious? I like it, it sets a tone for the video. You got my attention and interest. Great piece, very well put together, you had to put a lot of time into this. Thank you, very good work 👏 keep it up brother. I'm not the biggest Minato lover but I don't mind hearing you out and enjoying the show 😊
Blitzing your own space time technique 😎
The Length.
Respect for the video's shown.
S-Ranks are wild.
I know that you are likely just calling out Yashiro's character but damn everyone I hear talk about Yashiro kinda seems like they hate bro.
THE TAIL SWIPE?
I feel like a Weight was taken off my back.
Love it
Minato is my favorite character. Let's see where this goes.
Alright
@@VirhtueI wasn't expecting to see him fight the flash but that was great 😁.
Some great points backed up by manga/anime statements
To be honest he was the child of Prophecy. He just transfered his Prophecy to his son. He didnt need to die with the 9 tails but you know. PLOT. So yeah he was the strongest excluding Hashirama and Madara (the descendants)
I had this conversation with sage about fugakus power in the anime being over his novels counterpart where he disagreed with the statement I made, you know how itachi can use his ms abilities his base sharingan form in part 1 I think that is the case for anime fugaku as well as danzo not knowing about fugakus ms until itachi told him about it sometime after the Uchiha massacre since danzo and itachi and the rest of the Uchiha clan didn't know that fugaku had it which made me think that fugaku must have awakened it during the 3rd war during this time you may ask it makes perfect sense for fugaku would have enough time to train it and keep it a secret for so many years whereas his novels counterpart didn't do that and choose to show it when he can which is not a good idea against somebody like danzo who would have used itachi and shisui against him as a contingency, sorry for my long rant man I will talk more about this topic for another time.
Virtue SPITTING with this one. The thing I like about you is that your claims are never baseless. You probably do the most research in the game and always back up you points. Banger vid
Hold up wtf was that 3:00 😂
@@ontheinside fan animation
The first bit messed up, idek
Now lets see virtue makes a video about Minato being the strongest a little after Obito did well. I guess we know who's right
I hate the retcon i just wanted him to be unpararraled in terms of shinobi world in the first story is like that but when kishi choose the ashura indra thing his value dropped down he even compared people like 2nd hokage, shusui, itachi minato will and should SLAM anybody who is not reincarnated or otsutsuki
Imo he is
1-otsutsukis
2-indra ashura reincarnations
3-minato
(I do not include the 10 tails jinchirukis and 8 gate guy its a suicide attack)
@@aa84561 Sakura > Minato
& when he made Tobirama invent flying raijin instead of Minato💀💀 wtf is kishimoto problem
Wrong
Let me edit it for u.
“Hashirama is The Strongest.
Facts
Let me edit it for u.
Naruto is The Strongest.
@@jakesully007 naruto who lost Kurama? I do not think so.
@@Juulkage Even that version of Naruto can outright solo all of shipuden combined, which includes Hashirama. No contest.
@@jakesully007 Nah he cannot, lmao.. he has no resistance against Infinite Tsukuyomi.
I've been waiting for this🥳
Love to hear it
indeed he should have lived and used sage mode with flying raijin to stop the nine tails
I disagree with Kurama by himself scaling massivley above KCM2 Naruto's avatar... his feats pale in comparison and it's a combination of both Naruto's skills and power + Half of Kurama's chakra. Gyuki also hints that more chakra or "tails" doesn't always directly equate to more power. Huge amounts of Power can be achieved even with a small amount of chakra depending on how its controlled and used. Not saying Minato doesn't scale to Kcm2 Naruto by other means, I just don't think that specific part of the vid was a good argument
Superb review of Minato’s scaling! Minato haters won’t be happy with it though 😅
True that!
At least, Virtue is the smartest youtuber on the game, and we love it 🤩
Thanks king, true statement
Minato is top 3 favorite for me but he’s not stronger than Hashirama, period.
I agree, but had Minato lived longer, he would have created and mastered new powerful jutsus. I do not doubt that he would have created new Sealing Jutsus like the Reaper Death Seal without sacrificing his own life, and that would be awesome. From the point of view, Minato might have surpassed Hashirama in terms of abilities, but not likely in strength.
@@Hiep156 Hokage Naruto believed Minato would be stronger than him had he lived.
@@jakesully007
In which Chapter or Episode did Hokage Naruto mention that?
@@jakesully007 that's just extremely wrong
Lie
Consistent issues seemed to be not acknowledging actual context behind certain statements being made for scaling, mostly in the case of the knowledge of the characters making those statements. Clearly kurama would have no idea that hashirama can seal the ten tails or edo madara so trying to scale minato up to him isn't justified. Hiruzen not knowing the full extent of orochimaru's abilities when making statements, this was blatantly clear in the fight. Minato himself saying that obito would get more powerful- and this obito would be the one naruto has to fight obviously. This continued even when talking about itachi's scores and not acknowledging that he was younger than he was supposed to be. Generally acknowledgement of these factors would probably lead to better scaling.
There's issues with scaling off of the titles hokage/ay as well but much longer to detail.
Minato over kurama: the 'reaction to tailed beast bomb speed' unfortunately you ignored the distance kurama was away and didn't show actual comparable scenarios, distance is just as important when discussing speed.
Skipped rest of kcm2 justifications, think this is where minato's assertions are the worst and most exaggerated.
8G guy feat: all we really get to is he's able to teleport away from an incoming guy mid air, yet was earlier still unable to teleport away from juubidara, who earlier we saw was simply far slower than guy at least on the ground. So guy > juubidara both can hit minato before he can teleport away > guy mid air, guy mid air seeming slower than lee's thrown kunai. Lee's thrown kunai potentially blitzing half the top tiers off of the same outlier scaling everyone likes.
Return to obito fight: its interesting that the panel where minato claims that obito will get more powerful, if he doesn't kill him, was ignored. Meaning the obito minato is talking about isn't scalable to the one he fought. Beyond that minato had no concept of cooperation with the ninetails to bring out its full power, what he was asserting was kcm1. So kcm1 would be needed to beat a OM obito who minato believes is stronger than masked man he fought.
Then mental nerf arguments, these mostly wouldn't be an issue if everyone stopped relying on outliers as if they are indicative of consistent capabilities. If you die on mental nerf hill then when he's side by side with naruto you gotta die on the mental amp hill too.
Tobirama can sense people countries away > minato sensing twenty shinobi.
Itachi took test and was progressed through at an accelerated rate so tests would have been taken at younger ages, can't really use him to scale minato. Kakashi likely was also accelerated due to war although we have conflicting ages for him. Shisui was not really a prodigy like that. Looping it back around to compare to orochimaru/tsunade/hiruzen in terms of intelligence would have been more compelling imo.
He is, thanks for noticing, can it be considered glazing if its true though? (lets pretend the answer isn't yes 😂)
Bro I’m saying
Can't be glazing if it's true, thing is, it's not true. He himself know he is glazing.
9:45 obito was not KCM2 Level at the time. Definitely KCM tier given Minato hyping him above pain though
Obito should be a Sage Mode Naruto victim. It’s literally just kamui that makes him hard to hit
@@DatsLegitnesslol I think You under estimate the sheer amount of hashirama cells obito infused in his Body when he faught Minato, that it's actually ridiculous.
YM Obito is far above KCM💀
@@percivalknightoftheflames855 based on?
@@kaizel2264 dude you’re hyping up hashiramas cum being in another man?
0:23 nobody that makes videos my friend because i have been saying a lot of the points you made for years, some of you dont notice because i dont make videos
Anybody can say this and there is no proof to suggest otherwise, like bro
I could say I’ve made these arguments as soon as chapter 238 came out, just didn’t talk about it online
@@Virhtuelet’s be real I definitely put you and loko on if you look at past comments you’d see I said eveything you’ve said and more. Back when you were meatriding loko and not telling him he was wrong
Terrible take Tobirama slams
I can’t bring myself to get into the vid cause what is that title💀
Yeah.... but he's not. All offense, No defense. Hashirama tanks anything he has, and one-shots him. Boruto is strongest offensive ninja btw, Naruto was second
Lol no Minato slams Hashirama based on feats Hashirama only has more Chakra but Minatos Chakra control is just insane.
@@percivalknightoftheflames855Hashirama>BSM Naruto>>KCM2 Naruto~Minato
Minato was supposed to be strongest Shinobi of All Time, but the spotlight was given to Naruto instead, simple as that.
Raikage slams minato
@@Bigmom18😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Bigmom18 Pfft, Yea ok, No Raikage has ever or WILL ever touch Minato
@@Bigmom18 bait used to be believable
This just isn’t really true
0:50 His age is not known for certain to be 15. It could be closer to his twenties.
1:29 Shisui was noted in those same columns to only have reached renown after Minato's death.
1:34 Kakashi did not join the AnBu until after the war. Mission count is not really a gauge of power/strength, either, given Jiraiya has more than both, whilst Itachi only has one S-rank mission.
2:40 Being next in line/groomed for the position does not mean he already surpassed his father. His father, right next to him, is also called A at the same time, of course. I would like to not he is the one who lopped off Hachibi's horn, though.
7:40 Hiruzen actually stepped down due to political disharmony as noted in Itachi Shinden.
11:15 He was already weaving the seals before it was fired.
14:23 He does not have to teleport to every kunai, it is that he can teleport to any of them.
16:00 That might be referring to the Sengoku Jidai as Edo Tensei Madara is considered near equal to Obito elsewhere (which still supports the Kurama Mode narrative).
21:25 Possible it took longer to transit the much larger mass of chakra.
40:18 He could not send anyone else. They had an agreement. I imagine he did not expect him to actually fight Kurama, either.
42:00 VIZism. In Japanese he is questioning if it is Minato, not that it has to be. Barriers are not seals, either, they are a different field of ninjutsu.
53:35 Fukaku is considered the strongest in his clan, possibly stronger than Massacre Itachi. Minato is above both, though, yes.
This isn’t true and you won’t prove these, begin with the first point, prove Kakashi is 14 before graduating the academy
Yes, it is true... There is no proof Kakashi is not already graduated from the Academy. Shinobi do not always wear their hitate-ate off duty, as shown by Naruto when Jiraiya's death was reported. In the Sha no Sho omake, Kakashi was not even wearing his mask casually. It would be on the person claiming he is not graduated to prove he would have to have it on.
3:00 who made this😭
Send they ahhh to jail 24:47
Just finished watching Six´s debate from yesterday about Hashirama vs Minato where he basically Hashi would rape Minato....this video should be better and more honest about the GOAT!
Minato will forever be my goat.
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Is Minato in the purelands forever with no arms now because of the 4th war? 😅
No because energy is eternal it’ll reform with energy from somewhere else
@DatsLegitness so the truth seeking orbs only negate the regeneration of the edo tensai, so when the edo tensai jutsu was released he was whole again and fine in the after life? Because I thought it was unclear how far reaching the neg effects were from the tso
@@safeandsound712 I’m saying once your a clump of energy around other clumps of energy it’ll just respawn. Sakura got hit with a madara truth seeker rod and she was fine so idk.
We see him get his arms back when he returns to the pure world
@vegeta12379 oh cool, I must have missed that part, thanks
haven’t you glazed bro enough? lmao
Considering I’ve done the most for the agenda and haven’t been refuted, no
Ah yes the third or second strongest Hokage behind Hashirama. (We arent counting Naruto he's too broken)
Minato was 14
as a professional Naruto powerscaler I would say minato solos all of fiction
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lmaaooooooooooooooo
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debate vs six when
Minato is tied with hashirama
54 min ???!!!!☠️ Ain't that deep bro it ain't that deep
Well when you are establishing a meta and this is your job yeah, it is
@@Virhtue
genjutsu of that level doesn't work on me
the strongest
Raikage slams minato
@@Bigmom18lol
Goat
Haven’t watched yet, but just here stating, no amount of you explaining him beating a 14 yr old obito, and his “daze” will put him over hashirama
Except it will lol.
@@percivalknightoftheflames855 except it won’t. Hashirama stomps no diff
The only HoKage that would beat Lord Minato in a blood lusted fight to the death is...
Naruto
Hashirama
That's it... not including edo Minato... People always say Hiruzen, but I'm not convinced...
People say Boruto Era Kakashi, but I don't watch Boruto & I doubt it...
Only Sage Hashirama
Tobirama is just a better version of him, stomps.
Hiruzen is overall better but would probably loose in a duel.
@@TsuChan_ tobirama is a beast...
I would argue hokage kakashi could beat him. We know that combat speed counters ftg as seen with madara vs tobirama. kakashi is equal or above base koji in combat speed . who scales above delta who was relative to supressed six paths sage mode kcm2 adult naruto in combat speed. this would scale kakashi significantly above minato in combat speed. also kakashi has omnidirectional shiden which he could use to counter an stun / potentially one tap minato which would at least create an opening for his next attack . shiden has the ap to easily cut through minatos durability . fire mist jutsu has country level ap / dc seeing as it countered the shuigu which was gonna flood a country and its stated to be using hagoromos chakra. since kakashi has more chakra he can outlast minato then hit him with this attack. minato cant fully seal kakashi due to kakashi having far more chakra and chakra control . kakashi has superior taijutsu . equal kenjutsu. superior iq and biq and exp. and genjutsu.
@@TsuChan_💀
Base Jiraiya victim
Terrible take
Is that why he’s dead?
Hahahaha
He didn't need to die he did it so the Village wouldn't be vulnerable it's ironic tbh as Minato is better then any Bijuu tbh.
Minato is above everyone except for six paths characters
KCM2 Minato. Is Above All Except the six paths characters. I Agree.
@@kaizel2264 Well any version of Minato is weaker than Hashirama and Madara, he's above the rest that i agree
Hashirama, Madara, and Kcm+SM Naruto are still above him. Novel Kakashi scales above or equal to him
Minato gets dogwatered on by Hashirama, Madara, and KCM2 Naruto. Kurama himself stated during the war that Minato and Kushina were “pathetic” compared to KCM2 Naruto. Also him vs Tobirama and vs EMS Sasuke during the final fight against Juubito could go either way.
People speculate the Sasuke that wrapped Kurama in a full susanoo likely had the perfect susanoo at that point, and if that’s the case then Minato would definitely lose to him.
@@hero0686Edo Minato being relative to Jubi Madara says otherwise that's a better feat then anything Hashirama has.
minato is definitely one of the strongest naruto characters. (except end of series)
For sure and even then edo minato makes top 15
Crazy he’s not even top 15 in the verse😮💨
@@stephenking2895 maybe not even top 20
@@owensilva9224 Shii u ain’t tell a lie
Terrible take, he’s the strongest edo
@@Virhtue it’s not a take it’s facts tbh
Good vid tho
Third strongest edo but still doesn’t even crack top ten in verse
@@Virhtue minato is not top 20 in the verse
Still loses to hashirama tho
Make a Sakura video virthue
Maybe
Bro.
He cant beat kisame in the ocean
Hanzo beats Kisame under water
@@Virhtue 😂 why hanzo? Can he even swim
@@jackschwanke603It's stated in the 3rd databook that no one can match Hanzo in underwater combat
Minato is so strong.
Still loses to 3t Itachi though, but there's no shame in that.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not going to happen
Bruh, he'll one tap 3T Itachi, Itachi will be dead before falling to the ground
They think the man who almost died to 14 year Obito is stronger than healthy Itachi that is a rival to OM Obito smh
@@Foxes4035 when did he almost die? he throttled Obito…
Wasn't tobirama alluding to flying rajin not body flicker....we see him outpace Minato multiple times in the starting portions pf the juubito fight
yes
he already covered why tobirama was potrayed as superior. its because minato was hindered by his stupor. its a valid argument. and because of this nerf in combat speed/ reaction speed kcm2 minato > base minato > stupor kcm minato
Minato was dazed💀
@@percivalknightoftheflames855 some Shinobi of a face reveal can leave you dazed for an entire battle. That excuse doesn't work
@@jiero3253 its literally stated in the databook🤦 not an excuse
I’m a little confused on the scaling, is minato on par with KcM2 or above the full Kurama, which shouldn’t that be the same thing?
I’ve personally seen minato as physically comparable to initial biju naruto, and a little weaker than mastered biju naruto, and with his full arsenal/abilities being on par if not slightly above base hashirama/full Kurama
Minato is a blitz level above the full Kurama who is well above KCM2
@@Virhtue at the same time, didn’t kakashi see initial biju Naruto as minato, possibly making him as fast as minato/making minato closer to half Kurama stat wise?
@@VirhtueCompletely incorrect. Kurama himself stated during the war that Minato and Kushina were “pathetic” compared to Naruto at the time, who was KCM2.
@@hero0686agree that kcm2 Naruto is stronger than the 9tails by itself lol.
@@hero0686Mastered KCM2
You are just the strongest minato fanboy 😂🤣😅
Then refute something femboy
"fanboy" is just one of those overused words by kids nowadays. When you provide any backing to a character, they accuse you of this. It's like we're supposed to not give credit any character at all. 🤷
Idk man, I'm probably stronger than Virtue lol.
Nah, I'd win (I've probably obsessed more over his scaling but I don't scale him as high, I have him just below KCM2 Naruto)
Incorrect
Cap
@@VirhtueYo Virhtue I’m a Loko Sleeper Agent 😂
First
According to your FTG argument Kamui could also be a Greater Spacetime Ninjustu because Kamui is actual Teleportation not just stupidly high speed movement through subspaces
How is Kamui actual teleportation? In order to appear in another place, Obito has to suck himself into the Kamui dimension first.
@@giannixx it's slower because of the transition but he still goes instantly to another place once he is in his dimension, with again the transition cast time.
He actually called It a better Technique not space time lol kamui is better because it does not use seals and can transport just the body part back and forth.
Also with kamui you still would need to be fast as he has to travel kamui the same way Minato travels the subspace.
@@TsuChan_ How do you know he goes instantly once he is there? In chapter 636, after having Kakashi destroy his heart seal, Obito exits the Kamui dimension in order to become jinchuriki of the Juubi, and he does so by manifesting the swirl around his eye, exactly in the same way he enters and how he absorbs and expels things and people to and from there. So, he also takes time to exit the place. It's exactly the same as FTG/Hiraishin, only that we never see Minato or Tobirama in this other dimension/subspace.
Also, Hiraishin is for all intents and purposes teleportation, as it is near instant. Minato can go to the other side of the planet in the blink of an eye (if he has a mark there). The trait of negating distance travelled is kinda the main point of teleportation. Kamui also counts here, though it is slower than Hiraishin. But if you want to keep using this more strict definition of the term, then "true" teleportation does not exist in the Naruto universe.
@@kaizel2264 You're correct about the reason Minato considered Kamui better when compared to Hiraishin, but he did call it a better Space-time Ninjutsu. It is usually translated as "better teleportation", but he does say "jikūkan ninjutsu". "Jikūkan" (時空間) literally is the Japanese word for "spacetime".
Fugaku, Shisui and Orochimaru are all better than Minato.
Minato couldn't beat young bee alone. He didn't beat Ay either thanks to bee again. He only dodged him which is extremly easy when you can instant teleport. Ay is dumb also.
Ay was probably talking about speed and not teleportation.
Minato is said to be a genius only because he mastered FTG and created rasengan.
Minato couldn't beat Kurama while Hiruzen could because Minato lacks power. Minato may win in duel but is powerless in certain situations.
Bijuu bomb clearly isn't as fast as susanoo arrow, everyone reacted to and dodged bijuu bombs, only sage kabuto dodged susanoo arrow.
Kakashi or Obito aren't KCM2 level threats. they are just strong enough to not be outclassed.
Minato isn't faster than Tobirama in reaction of ftg. Only in shunshin.
Take 14 yo obito as proofs is crazy, minato only won because obito was dumb. He is no KCM2 lvl threat at all.
Sage Naruto beats Minato since he most probably dodges anything Minato can do.
No pannel shows how the fight against kurama went. minato doing a rasengan to a small bijuu bomb doens't make him overpower the bomb, it even made him uncouncious.
Genjutsu stare is because they are dumb. Or Kishi forgot. Minato can't counter Genjutsu.
The fastest clear time is the forest of death and minato was with his team, thanks god they did it faster than itachi that was younger and solo. what an impressive feat for minato.
If Fugaku isn't strong Minato isn't either. Minato was the least wrothy of his title, he only got it because Fugaku is uchiha, and Orochimaru was too evil.
The shortcuts, the misconceptions, the amount of bs, the delusion, the glaze.
@@TsuChan_ Hating at its finest
Minato had no intention of killing A or Bee. Reading comprehension issue here
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Pain > Minato
Terrible take
@@Virhtue Really? hahaha I wouldnt be so sure if I were you :D
@@iricotengu3319 agree, shinra tensei hard counters ftg, not sure pain can kill him tho, minato would probably tp out.
@@iricotengu3319
Minato > Pain with mid-high difficulty, and there is no debate.
Minato>Tobirama>Orange Mask Obito>Itachi>Pain
Minato would beat hashirama in a fight debate me
Alright
strength: hashirama
speed: minato
stamina: hashirama
endurance: hashirama
durability: hashirama
ap: hashirama
dc: hashirama
iq: minato
biq: minato
exp: hashi
offense: minato
defense: hashirama
ninjutsu: hashirama
taijutsu: hashirama
kenjutsu: both
fuinjutsu: minato
genjutsu: hashirama
kinjutsu: minato
hax: both
hashirama high diffs
Raikage victim
If rikage is infinitely fast 😂
This just ain’t true
kakashi and jonin minato victim
Itachi still stomps unfortunately
yep
Base Jiraiya victim😂
@@Pain-106that’s hilariously wrong
Terrible take
@@Pain-106 not even remotely close