GamingSins: Everything Wrong with The Order: 1886
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2015
- Welcome to GamingSins where we nitpick the hell out of video games.
Well, took us long enough. After constant re-do's, having to upgrade my Macbook Pro because it finally gave out after 8 years, and of course vacation, we have finally finished sins for yet another overhyped and unsatisfactory AAA title known as The Order: 1886. And unsurprisingly, it is LOADED with sins. When will people ever learn that graphics don't mean everything? Greatness continues to wait...
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this video is longer than the actual game
***** Ha, I see what you did there, lol
Lol
Ding
I'm lame so can somebody explain the joke?
ElitexxxSaiyan The Order 1886 is a short single player game, only 6-7 hours, and no multiplayer.
The game is 7 hours long. 7x60=420. 420/281=(about)1.5. That means that there is a sin every 90 seconds
Stevy Chips Where does 281 come from?
Shaun Gibson The sin count for the game
Stevy Chips Thank you
While I was reading ur comment I thought u were gonna do one of those 420 = Illuminati comments but ur comment is pretty cool
Stevy Chips That is well stated.
So, apparently you guys in England DO use miles. That's disappointing. You all are supposed to be better than us.
GCN i believe we use miles because we want 100 to be fast and 100kph is pretty slow
Unlucky lad 😂😂
GCN We use miles because when we switched to metric they decided not to bother when it came to distance since that meant replacing all road signs/infrastructure information, and it's easier to sort out someone getting their change wrong than it is deliveries getting lost and messing shit up. We should have replaced it by now, but we got complacent.
besides,in 1886 we'd have been using British imperial measurements, which used miles.
GCN Just one of the strange measurement systems we inherited from the redcoats. :D
The UK use kilometers in cities but crossing really long distances we use miles so you guys GCN are right
Wow, 41 minutes? Damn
Not only it's a Sin counter video, but also a playthorugh of the entire game.
The walking dead season 1 was longer
Aidanator 800 By the length of the video, I mean
How you managed to find 41 min worth of sins in a game with barely any content is impressive
Orashi he really didn't need any the sucked into itself
This GamingSins is almost as long as the game. WTF.
If you consider 46 minutes to 6 hours then sure!
+The Privileged Capitalist I don't think that comment was meant to be taken that seriously.
Guess that flew by your head, didn't it?
The Privileged Capitalist Maybe he meant the old mega drive and SNES games
They should have called this game: "Do not Order Even for $18.86"
The Shotgun Gamer oh damn that roast
-rep furry
This game looks like a failed attempt of Steampunk England Gears of War. I mean, how can you fuck up a steampunk Gears of War? So much potential wasted in linear corridor spunkgarggleweewee
Macaco Macabra Aha, spunkgargleweewee, haven't heard that in a while! GG guy.
Lee Bradley Someone needed to say it, and I don´t see Yathzee around here
Macaco Macabra You have no room to talk, Sonic games have been a failure ever since that horrendous Sonic Boom
Cool Jhags I know many sonic games are shit. Did my opinion offend you? Well guess what, I don't care
Macaco Macabra Nope didn't offend me at all I enjoyed the hell out of the Order 1886 that's all that matters.
But gamingsins... I didn't know you were Cinema sins.
He already made a video about what you just said Lol
He links cinema sins in the description
You guys are missing the joke. He said that because GCN does gaming video, and Cinema Sins does movie videos. Since everyone considers The Order: 1886 to be a movie instead of a game, he made the joke that this must be Cinema Sins doing the video.
Ryan Kevin Pahl I'm retarded Lol haha jeez I completely missed the joke
bubbajoe117 HA I GET IT, nice one XD
There is more to a game than just graphics. Shame no one told the creators of this game.
Blame today's gamers, for so many of them are graphic-whores
It's a damn shame.
People like graphics to look good in a general sense. What happened in the Order is well pathetic. It's nice to look at it, sure but in the end it's still a bad game.
AeluronLightsong true, nice visuals are a good feature in videogames, but today's developers are investing too much on it and leaving the other aspects of the game (AI, mechanics, storyline, innovation, puzzles, boss battles, etc) behind, ultimately delivering eye-catching but boring and disappointing games :(
MGS1 has pretty terrible graphics and it's regarded as one of the greatest games of all time.
This game could have been SO GOOD... they set all the ground work and then fucked it up by writing a terrible story and making the gameplay atrociously bad.
+Rump Buffalo while following up by chopping the sequences so you end up knowing far too much too soon
+Rump Buffalo I know right? I agree. If this had an open-world and A LOT of side quests that are all somewhat like story quests in terms of gameplay, the game would meet about 50% of my expectations.
+Dr. W.D Gaster you pretty said what I wanted this game to be
The idea was great. Knights who are healed by magic water in 1886
Acekropter then it got ruined by having it heal anything unless plot
God, the worst part about this game is that they pull the ultimate idiot ball cliche of having the *entire plot* only possible because the main character, for absolutely no reason, *not* explain what they know.
The whole game is an idiot plot; everything could have been resolved quickly if the MC had, oh I don't know, USED HIS FRAKKING BRAIN?
Wait, I thought it was Cinemasins that did movies, what is this video doing on a Gamingsins channel?
XDDD
Ah, I see what you did there....hehe, clever, very clever....
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...Eh, not really *Sonic ring get sound*
Sub-channel?
I'm assuming Knights are commissioned directly by the crown and are above police, so why do they have to hand over ANY of their weapons to the guard in the bar?
A bouncer can't relieve policemen of their weapons when they're doing in an investigation
I know "weapons at the door" is a tradition in some places
@@AceTaxiaGaming they are knights, higher in rank than any police officer. Aaaaand police dont hand over their weapons to bar keeps.
@@danielnone2443 tradition =/= law. It was a social custom to be unarmed in some places, especially drinking establishments, to provent fights going lethal
@@AceTaxiaGaming For...civilians. Not police.
I liked this game, i feel like i'm the only one who has said that.
I really liked the story in itself too but the gameplay wasn't that great in my opinion and the ending who's not a real ending was kinda disappointing 😕
The gameplay was a huge let down, I almost can’t call this a game more of an interactive cgi movie, the story was ok and the voice acting was good.
I thought it was a great game just too short for the original price. Luckily I bought it when it was on sale for $10
I enjoyed it too i like part two that actually explain more
Everyone who likes this game also loves to sleep.
As a French dude, I found that French knight fucking horrendous; I mean, if you have to speak English, swear IN BLOODY ENGLISH. I hate those passively racist characters (that works in every non-English language BTW) that are like "Oui I'll speak with a fucking French accent because it is la tradition de la baguette"...Fuck that shit...(Oh and I know that nobody, and I mean NOBODY in France would say "The Baguette's tradition" in real life, but game designer tend to think the contrary)
+Ethan Cole Well, the game designers _are_ American.
Julian Keller Jr. And ? That ain't change anything.
Ethan Cole
It does. Americans stereotype everyone. It's why the world hates them :)
Julian Keller Jr. you made a good point here
+вαяяү αℓℓεη (тнε ғαsтεsт мαη αℓιvε) Irony is real o-o
What game was The Order copying at the end when you shoot Lucan? Also no sin for Lucan's name being one letter away from Lycan? Tsk Tsk.
777 MangaKing 777 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
***** Thanks.
Walking dead
Gotta love that Fire Emblem reference XD
You've earned yourself a sub!
All devs should watch these videos during there cycles so they can learn what mistakes not to make. But that's too much like a smart idea
28:06 I understood that, she said that “Leave us alone.We will talk together, alone. Go to [the place] for work.”
Bonus sins: The games length is basically equal to this videos length
Now RaD is no longer working with Sony. And I can´t blame Sony: this game was atrocious.
+Daniel Rodríguez I loved it.
+Daniel Rodríguez But it gots Sum GUD FUKIN LAMP!!!!
its beautiful
4:11
look another fire emblem fan*falls on the ground crying* im not alone im not alone
I was watching lately gameplay from this game, and wondering: It could be the return of interactive movies. The obstacles that ended that kind of entertainment are gone. Instead of real time rendered animations they could be exclusively on pre-rendered cutscenes, with quicktime events. The main advantage is that you wouldn't need a powerful PC to run, and it would just require some high space (around 20-50GB, due to multiple resolutions) on HDD, and be cheaper to develop than most of games, witch require graphics engine to be Programmed. Also they could be made for consoles, once PS4 and Xbox One use Blu-Ray disks.
Just gonna point out in like 10 year these graphics are gonna be considered shit to their standards, so in another way betting so much on the graphics just bites it in the ass by the end
***** xD You can't be serious.
Great great point. But I think they hit a look here that isn't praised for beauty so much as it is atmosphere. Wrong color settings on your tv and it kills this game. It's pretty fine tuning. But still. Great point.
***** What's crazy is that Halo has the most realistic graphics like Halo 4 especially and it's still good lol
5hane9ro Wich is why I only praise visuals if they look creative (Ni no Kuni and Muramasa the demon blade would be examples of games that will still look good in a few years). The Order 1886 is pretty much the James Camerons Avatar of video games.
I wouldn't make that claim too early. Some games still look really good to this day that are 10 or more years old.
Everything Wrong With Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy
Karmas Camera That would be a 10 (or more) hours video
***** not if you make it a series!
Karmas Camera
Snow alone is worth a million sins. I wish they could get Spoony to do the video with them.
***** you mean 10 (or more) WEEKS video
I liked Snow, he was cool.
How you managed to make a 41 minute video for a 7 hour game is beyond me but as always great video GCN my dear Watson.
To respond to the drowning thing, even though it's much too late, holding your breath or just not being able to breath for a certain amount of time can cause severe brain damage, which would explain why it took two days to heal Galahad.
Another hilarious review, but I'm kinda disappointed. With a game this failed I was hoping at least one turret sequence would've been put in so I could hear...
"UNLIMITED...AMMO!!!"
Well there is one, you pick up a giant lighting launcher and it has unlimited ammo.
Everything wrong with Bioshock (2007) !!!
That would be a 5 minute video.
Everything wrong with Life is strange!
Ryan Kevin Pahl My favorite game of all time, but I'd definitely be interested in seeing this.
Milk Wars HQ I enjoy that 'game' but I would love for it to be torn apart xD
He does that A bitch dies.
14:42 Sin 129, the decimalisation happened in the 70's, to change currency and measuring. For example, a military plane was made between the French and British in the early seventies. The French used the metric for their half and the British used Imperial. It makes sense for them to use miles in this time. Its almost as if the IMPERIAL measurement came from IMPERIAL days.
You should also sin the fact that even though French is my first language I'm still not able to understand what Percival said to the Marquis at the beginning of the video haha
Maybe because you are not a true french
+MazingerDestroXtreme I don't know how to take that comment ?
It's a joke.....laugh or ignore....
Saw you guys haven't been on in about 2 months. Really hope you all come back soon! Definitely worthy to be a counterpart of CinemaSins!
Set up for next game ain't happening cause company got shut down, DING.
i love you,gcn, because of the details, and you guys are the only people that do these types of videos
You either haven't heard of Dartigan or you haven't heard of Dartigan.
Ever get the feeling that David Cage made this game under an alias?
It's another game that wants to be a movie more than it wants to be a game.
Honestly if it was a movie I'd have watched it. Even the title of the game itself screams "hey I should be a movie!!!!" But I just don't trust Hollywood and big name movie companies to give it the polish it deserves.
hearing Galahad say "I can see three men in the cockpit" made me think of something entirely different than intended ...and I laughed uncontrollably. I am sorry lol
Oh please no lol
FIFA 1886?!!
hahaha you got me there!
I didnt get the fifa joke
It's cause there corrupt! Duh!
Oh yeah i forgot about that lel
Seeing that the game takes place in London, the joke is refering to the hooligans and not the FIFA institution in itself.
Damn, I wonder how long it took you to finish this, editing, subtitles for 40 minutes straight, editing clips, obtaining the clips, damn you put alot of quality into these videos. Subbed :D
The bargain bin quote was so funny. That laugh just seals it.
I'm English and you're wrong we still usually measure longer distances in miles, simply because it would be difficult and expensive to replace previous road signs and cars measuring in miles and mph.
Also, for someone who wanks over history so much that they complain when Jack the Ripper murders are set in 1886 instead of 1888, I'd expect them to know that the UK didn't even adopt the metric system until the 1960s, so they would be measuring distances in miles in 1886 regardless :/
+ipperz12 Yeah, came to say exactly that. Continental Europe uses Metric, I'm English & 27 and even I use miles for distance.
24:50
Considering this game was little more than a glorified tech-demo for the PS4, I'd say it deserves more than 1 sin for skipping out on a prime chance to show off some great graphics during a scene as epic as an airship crash. They sure as shit didn't spend that budget on writing, gameplay, or programming AI, so there's no excuse for them to skip what could have been a great scene...graphically, if nothing else.
This is a hilarious and perfect video game version of CinemaSins. Well done.
BTW UK's Parliament discussed the using the metric system as early as 1818 but, it wasn't formally implemented until 1965.
Thank you for not censoring it like seriously you are one of the only people to not do that and it is just stupid because anything can be shown uncensored on youtube except nudity.
Btw GCN got a quick question:
Shouldn’t it be a sin for the ‘guns somehow magnetize to our backs without anything to hold there defying gravity and reason’ cliché
A sin for a bowler hat? For shame sir, that bowler hat was the single best thing about the whole game!
My husband heard you praise Fire Emblem and it made him smile because that's his favorite game series...Thank you GCN. ^_^
Yo,I was thinking of doing one on Dead Space 2, did you guys at GCN have any suggestions?
quick time events are the worst thing that happened to games apart from dlcs...
***** Hey QTE's aren't bad. They're just shit when they get overused like they did in this game.
Assassino275 qte are bad because it makes sequences where you need to have quick reaction became more a movie sequence with button mashing or holding... also most fps or tps use this when a simple keypress should be sufficient like god of war... miss those times when qte is just simple button mashing which means your reaction time is still tested rather than button mashing or holding...
Quite the coincidence of referencing Fire Emblem, I was literally playing Awakening when I'm watching this.:D
Can't believe I have to wait till tomarrow to watch this with popcorn.
Jurabi Ozowa Get your fired chicken, popcorn, get whatever you may need, and I hope you enjoy the video: Thegamer2323
He said death trap, not Death Star.
Though the Metric system is in more common use than the Imperial, for things such as distance we still refer to Miles just as oft as we do Kilometres.
Also, it's 1886.
Exactly. The metric system was barely even a thing back then, and not very widely used. If you wanted to sin something there, perhaps them not specifying if it was London mile, British miles, etc. Of course, Queen Elizabeth the 1st put an end to that nonsense a few hundred years ago, but it still came up occasionally, with French inches still being a thing in Napolean's time, leading to the myth of his shortness. I'm not sure when they became fully defunct, but it is possible that such systems were still in place at this time.
What? Nothing more to add?
You put it well, I don't think there's much to add, really.
I suppose imperial it's still being used today because it has its advantages, a pint, for instance, is good measure of volume in one's daily life. While metric units are mostly based on properties of nature and tend to be a bit awkward in those situations. Though, it owes its presence mainly to tradition.
Based on properties of nature? Isn't everything? It's more a system of tens and thousands, making the maths easier.
You know you'd make a great antagonist just because you are really good at this
Actually we use both miles and kilometers in the UK. Miles for road distance, so we tend to talk about distance between locations in miles.
''Oh look at that hat, i don't like that hat! better count it as a sin''
I think what sucks about Gaming Sins is the fact that there's a lot of stuff like "bad game design" or "clunky cover mechanics" to which other games do better yeah, but it's quite hard to make a good game. Especially one that is meant to be a certain way. He depicts this game to not have a lot of things that other games don't have as well.
Your point? Just because making a good game is hard doesn't mean you shouldn't criticize what it does wrong. How can anything be improved without a standard to uphold? If you ignore flaws when making something, you get a flawed product.
can't wait for batman 1887
+tapchakav1 Wasn't there a steampunk Batman game in development? Close enough.
*****
Yep same time period and general setting too.
@@AwesomeReshiram Gotham by Gaslight. Based off the graphic novel. Went from video game to animated movie.
Strangely enough, in the UK we primarily use Miles for distance, there is a pretty solid clusterfuck of switching between imperial and metric in almost everything we do.
That TDKR audio mesh was brilliant!
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England used to use miles since it was a measurement of the IMPERIAL system. They switched to metric later dont use modern day as a yard stick.
Besdies that historical detail this game sucked, too many generic tropes used by it
Lies, the uk still uses miles
Did this man just... Dis... Skyrim.... How?
He was dissing the lockpicking, which was pretty bad. Everything else in Skyrim is great, but the system was based pretty much completely on luck.
Personally I was okay with the lock picking, if only cause it was better than Oblivion's system. Though you are right about the guard's dialogue; that's why I use mods.
Fatal Existence A very fair and explanatory opinion, thanks for being mature.
AckaBacka thanks i try...and ugh skyrim sucks?
*has heart attack* how... could... they! *dies*
one of the few things we still use the ye old fashioned system for is distance when it comes to traveling, as well as packaging of milk.
1:10 In medias res can be such an effective opener when used right. Like in the 2003 movie Oldboy and the movie GCN's alluding to.
Clementine is not a bad ass unless you choose to make her one
when you asked us how many sins, I said 1886, because...reasons or is it raisins. hm.
lol I didn't know about Blacksight until my 2nd playthrough when I went for the trophies. I thought it was just for that brief scene only
As a Brit, I can assure you that in England we do, mostly, use miles in measuring for long distance. But some areas do use kilometers for long distance measurement, it's a more regional thing over here.
This review was longer than the game
Nitpicking cliche. Classic.
Such a Awsome exclusive hehe Great vid 😀
One of the great tragedies of video gaming. Anything more than $15 for this is a ridiculous price. Everything is here to just say "Look how pretty the game is!"
Drowning can cause damage to the brain.
Jack Percival Also how he didn't cradle Igraine's neck when carrying her (say what you want about the effects of blackwater, but her neck was still in pain)
AdotLOM Haven't actually played the game. Tbh you can't really stop the pain without a neck brace. I forgot which sin are we talking about?
Jack Percival Rescuing the woman. Can't remember the number of the sin. Still, I thought that supporting the neck would at least help better than letting her head dangle off.
AdotLOM Yeah if done properly. Ideally it would be best not to carry her.
I won't say he was wrong about the things he said about the game but I just got the and honestly I am liking the game. This game does seem like a big tech demo like Ryse: Son of Rome. Like they work hard on the graphics and someone said how's the story coming and everyone goes uhhh.
How do you like this?!
+Nintendopowerdude It's because I love video games that are like movies and third person shooters and I never put the game on a high pedestal like everyone else did. I did beat it and I have some complaints, but nothing to brand it as the worst game ever or even a bad game because I can say without a doubt it's not worth $60, but I've played worst games.
About the Kilometres Vs Miles thing, in England we use both. As in our road signs are usually in both Miles and Kilometres as are Speedometres and when talking about a distance or a speed people use whatever they feel like.
Also, Britian didn't start using Kilometres until the 70's.
One thing that came to my mind while playing the last bit of the ''game''.
Doesn't Lucan's final speech sounds A LOT like Roy Batty's final monologue in Blade Runner?
''I've seen things..." etc.
How can you people hate bowler hats, bowler hats are the best
Just 5 sin points for cinematic letterbox? Try a trillion. Pulled the disc out 20 mins in and watched the youtube game instead.
You don't need to watch it on UA-cam, just put the disc in your computer and watch it. Same experience.
You go put your PS4 disc into your laptop and tell me how that works out for you.
MUTINY ONLINE 1080p, 65fps runs great
Adopting the metric system was discussed in Parliament as early as 1818 and some industries and even some government agencies had metricated, or were in the process of metricating by the mid 1960s. However, a formal government policy to support metrication was not agreed until 1965. Miles are the imperial units and it makes more sense that they would use them.
The Batman sin should be retracted, it was pretty funny! Also great vid!
A strong female character isnt being a badass. Its being NOT sexualized, stereotypical, and having decent personality.
found the sjw
Turtle point Its just not fair how he listed a bunch of sexist characters and listed them as strong.
TheFinalTitan _ so if a female character is like what you define as strong but is also hot this instantaneous makes her sexist?
TheFinalTitan _ - Can you come up with a fictional MALE character that easily offends you? Or is it just Sexy female characters from games that bother you?
Maybe Bebi Duke Nukem. We may be guys, but that doesn't automaticly make us sexist pigs.
I don't get game developers. If you want to create CGI moves... Create CGI movies. There's a market for that. Why are you developing games at all?
14:40 a lot of people in the UK still use miles and on most road signs the distances are written in both miles and kilometres.
11.06 i thought the man in the game was saying those words and i was like "i shouldnt have drank too much tea" :D
SKYRIM IS AMAZING! This only a matter of opinion.
vanilla game still has many many bugs some are so what game breaking but with mods still very enjoyable
+I'm Bobby Productions Every game have a sin including Skyrim and I loved that game, well on PC.
+I'm Bobby Productions I think he only meant the Lockpicking.
Also the world might be one of the best in video games yet, but I think the gameplay can be pretty boring. Espeacilly as warrior without much magic. You hit, block and run around, If you have enough armor and protective spells you can skip the running.
+akrybion it was still better than oblivion and it's game of bouncing pins
My favorite game.
4:05 did you really just sin a gun being called after a sword?
Yes... Yes he did
Damn I'm late to this videos but thank you for your hard work. Love your voice.
What the 'radio not working' thing, meant that the radios won't work on the ground, but above ground, connections are just fucking ball-crushing fine.
... I personally really really liked this game. Yeah it's short and simple and not overly filled with content, but I bought it and didnt regret buying it, even at full price new. 60$ was really steep but i still enjoyed every second of the game and I was fine with it. You can say "this game was shit, this game was a waste, blah blah blah" but you can say the same thing about any game. It's all about what you want. As for me, this is an IP i would like to see much more of. It wasn't what I expected, but it was still something that made me go back and play it again. Currently working on my 3rd play through. Oh, and as for the letter boxing? I forgot it was there not too soon after the game started. Idk why people hate on it so much.
Finally someone who I can agree with.
is this game so bad that stores pay you to buy it?
bloodwalker They pay you by the hour, so about 45 cents.
Qazertree what if i dont buy i from game stop?
Shadow phoenix If it's a good deal, about $1.05
Qazertree lol
bloodwalker Lol I fell out of my chair reading it X'D! So true!
the blackwater is regenitive and also has some of the persons blood in the vial so im going to assume it regenrates much like our blood does over time
When you said that the Blackwater healed everything so far but you forgot that during you saying that it was a "First person during important plot moments"
Well I usually call myself a hater,but this guy...you overpass that level.
No, critics actually discuss things. This guy just whines the entire video.
You must be new here. Both CinemaSins and GamingSins acknowledge, and I quote: "We're not critics, we're nitpicky assholes."
They nitpick but that doesn't mean they hate the things they makes videos about. Think of it as a roasting channel.
MP Red
Then why not rename their channel "gamer roasts"
even to further MP Red's point here, Cinemasins even said they have done "everything wrong with" on movies the actually really likes too. I would bet this channel is the same. If you don't want to see them nitpick on movies/games then consider watching the videos "everything right with...." by the channel "gamingwins"
Everything wrong with Skyrim??
Thats going to be a long video...
@@appleseed2933 there is nothing wrong with Skyrim! 😖😖😖
@@jimpadgett8233 yeah...plenty of thing
@@appleseed2933 *NO*
@@jimpadgett8233 yes...it's actually very boring, but somehow overrated...i guess people like you are to blame
For sin 128, England does use miles instead of kilometres, but inches and centimetres are used pretty much equally. It's continental Europe that uses kilometres in road signs, etc.
19:05 you sinned this game for using the term ‘lycan’ when you said they should’ve used it not 10 seconds ago. That’s getting counted as a sin
i believe that people are being way too harsh on this game
i quite liked it
+Harvey Love the gaming community is like that. Being too harsh on a game because they think they don't meet their standards. and if other like a game they hate, fanboys will send death treats.
I enjoyed the game too and I hope a sequel is made and improves on it.
First off you got some things really wrong
1) Lycans, was not a term invented by the Underworld movies. The name Lycans came from a Greek Myth where a King tricks Zeus to eat human flesh and try to murder him in his sleep, and thus Zeus transform him into a werewolf... The name of the King... Lycan! So the name Lycan comes from Greeks, and not the crappy Underworld movie. Also this Lycan was the first of his kind.
2) Vampires and Lycans are not immortal enemies, that is once again Underworld and Twilight bullshit. In the original myths, when a werewolf died, he will come back to life as a vampire. Besides in nature Bats and wolves are not natural enemies, and neither this two half human half beasts. This is something people should really stop doing. The only reason this two are enemies is because they are the only two mythological creatures that are well known. Next they will come up that Griffons and Dragons are enemies because they are both greedy monsters, hell no!
3) I don't care if this bastards are elders or not, how the hell does Lord Haystings (or whatever he is called) can walk in daylight and not burn to the ground? Even Dracula the mightiest of all vampires couldn't walk on light! So that is one big pile of bullshit!
4) Werewolves are only suppose to transform into werewolves in full moons, some elders can transform without the moon, and once again that is Underwold bullshit, and if this order has been existing for this long, then how the hell are there still elder "half-breeds" to be an elder you must have at least 500 years of being cursed or born being a "half-breed".
5) This guys has been bitten, and scratch by a dozen werewolves in the entire game, and you are telling me not any of them has been infected by the werewolves and thus being werewolves?! BULLSHIT!! And do not tell me that it is because of their Blackwater, cause that thing is just one inch of becoming a Deus- Ex Machina, and it does not show that they can cure the werewolf curse. In fact that thing is a freaking Deus- Ex Machina!
Francisco Rafael Montiel Palencia Crappy? You really must love the Twilight movies. And actually Drácula could walk in sunlight, only that he lose all his powers when he does that, and of course, he didnt do it very offen as well. You really absolutely right in the origins of the term Lycan, never the less, you had forgotten that original versión of werewolfs based in the folklore and not the pop culture, they transform every night, with or without full moon, it was something so painful and tortureus that the person that passed for that every night wanted to kill themselves or be killed.
Hmmm, interesting thanks!
For the record at 14:42, yes they do use 'miles' here in the United Kingdom.
I cancelled my pre-order for this game when it was delayed. SOOOOOOO glad I did