Not really considering how massive and rabidly loyal disney fans are. I always like to compare disney's fanbase to taylor swift's. They are multigenerational and worldwide. They are also better at catering to family experiences. If anything, epic will end up helping disney since it will be drawing even more people to orlando.
It’s definitely taking away from Disney. dream works land and the new nighttime Cinesation show is going to be a huge draw. I personally am spending more time and money at Universal this summer then ever before, it’s my first time visiting volcano bay and staying on property at endless summer resort.
This is a down grade as it's replacing as well loved attraction of multiple generations. Splash Mountain leaned to the drop as being thrown in the Briar Patch as an significant event/ action. This was previous referred to as one mountain amongst the Disney Mountain range. I am not convinced at a Tiana's attraction works well with a log flume system. An omni mover or trackless system may have been a better way to a tell the story. The structure is a still a mountain and yet Disney is telling us it is a bayou.
@@SplashWuzRacist-ql7on my bad I’ll make my new account so I can argue with people stating their opinions in the UA-cam comment section next time 🙏 I don’t have anything better to do
There’s no excitement to this ride there’s no build up to the climax it’s BORING they should’ve included the villain at least in place of the vultures. I think the 3 Caballeros ride is more exciting than this ride!
I agree, Dr. Facilier or at least his dead spirit should've haunted this ride with the other evil spirits. I wanted that "Friends on the other side" chant song, "Are you ready?" included in the ride. I'm not going on Tiana's Bayou Adventure at Disneyland until they make it more exciting and scary, otherwise I'll skip the ride.
The story of splash mountain was brair rabbit trying to find the laughing place. The fox and bear wanted to eat them. Its simple but tells a beginning middle and end. The start of the journey, getting caught, escaping and learning that home is the real laughing place. The story in this ride is waay to bland or simple imo. Dr facilia was much needed and could have made such a amazing story beat
I’m not sure why some people downplay the story of Brer Rabbit. You worded it perfectly. Splash mountain had all the elements of storytelling, including a climax.
I honestly think the ride would have been way better if it followed the plot of the actual movie It like old dark rides from the opening of both parks could have scenes in which you take on the characters perspective, In this case when the characters are turned to frogs. You’d have to use screens sure but at least you’d have a more complete engaging narrative
I had really high expectations about this ride, but after seeing the POV the disappointment was real. I see a Tiana's Bayou ride, but without any adventure to be found. It's a mere relaxing ride without a clear narrative, which doesn't quite fit in what is supposed to be a *_thrilling_* dark ride. For it to be an adventure, we would need a narrative and possibly an antagonist. Imo the most logical part in the ride regarding the narrative was that shroom trip near the end, which by itself should say enough about my opinion on the ride's storyline as a whole
@@vulturemaxskitssong of the south isn’t racist at all, and the dumbasses who say it is haven’t watched it. Even if it was racist, the ride doesn’t incorporate any of the human characters in it.
No cap. This would have worked better as a small world type ride. A slow, relaxing ride thru the bayou as Tiana and Louis help your crew thru the bayou gathering ingredients and folks to play in the final scene. Every log fume ride I've ridden on builds up to some sort of tension for the final drop. Look at Jurassic Park, the ride, or the log ride in knotts.
One major thing you missed when it comes to animatronics If you would have taken the critter animatronics into account it would be a downgrade, the critters from Tiana are very simple even much more simple than any splash animatromic that there has been. Atleast every splash animatronic can blink, speak, and move its head, torso, and arms. These critters from Tiana have very limited movement if you pay attention to them and can only rock foward/back or side to side, they arent complex at all and they dont even move their mouths or blink. The budget definetely went on the final scene and all the Tiana, Louis, and mama Odie animatronics because the rest can barely be considered animatronics and more like figures.
I honestly think the mindset Disney had on this was, let’s just make it as tame and conflict free as possible so we don’t have to rebuild this ride again
@@robertmusgrove4537 if anything it doesn't need to be rebuilt when people are talking bad about Tina's value into no one has a heart the so cold-hearted I'm sorry to say this I'm a Tiana's fan all the way I don't care what anybody says Tina bayou is going to make it
@@AshaDanzy I respectively hope your love for Tiana and the PATF film never fades but even alot of fans of the film aren't happy with this redesign. I never cared for the film cause I wasn't into princess productions but even the CEO Bob Iger called it boring which is a red flag for any theme park ride.
Well guess what splash mountain is not better in fact all the animatronics broke down on that ride you have no heart you're a cold-hearted do you have no soul
@@xKatPhantomx it makes people it makes people feel like they're in the movie a party loves this ride no matter what people think this one's going to make me happy and one because I'm going there for my 29th birthday can I need anybody to ruin the fun for me I'm going to my family and I don't want people saying mean things about Tiana's bayou
@@AshaDanzy I'm sorry Kat, but were are going to say lots of mean things about that crappy ride. And it deserves every word, and then some. I really wish they had given Tiana a great ride that was worthy of the movie, but they just didn't deliver.
Disney didn’t want to just use the story from the movie due to the backlash of the portrayal of voodoo and the fact that the first black princess spends most of the movie as a frog, but the story for the ride is awful.
They need to stop overthinking and coddling the perpetually offended online weirdos and make content for normal everyday people again. The content of the movie was great and would have made a much better replacement for Splash Mountain. Once again we get a watered down snorefest that doesn’t offend or inspire it just… exists.
@@Holybeatdown strongly agreed 👍 💯 Disney could’ve replace Tiana’s bayou adventure with the muppets take splash mountain and it would’ve worked that way just my opinion and I watched the princess and the frog when I was young and as a ride it’s definitely no for me and wanted the muppets take on splash mountain similar to the muppets take manhattan.
Have you have no heart you guys have no heart not okay that you say hurtful things that's not okay with me imagineers worked hard on this ride and yet I'm surprised you people have no heart you're all wrong in so many ways no matter what you think of the ride have you been on the ride let me explain this to you all the animatronics on splash mountain broke down they weren't working they got replaced so deal with it
They should have modeled it like the “Under the Sea-Journey of the Little Mermaid” and kept the original songs, lots of colorful characters, Tiana in her Princess dress at the party, and definitely included both Ray and Dr Facilier (the final drop could be trying to escape The Shadow Man attempting to take you to the other side) and NOT make the attraction a sequel. Princess Tiana fans are not going to be happy with this downgrade.
It seems like in the last decade or so Imagineering has decided that American audiences don’t like “book report rides” that retell the story of the movie. The Frozen and Tangled rides that just opened in Tokyo are just that, and they look incredible. I like the idea of making the ride its own thing, conceptually. It’s cool that a theme park ride could further the story. But we don’t see a story where much happens to the characters from Princess and the Frog, so I can see why fans of the movie would be disappointed by it.
I think it would’ve been so much cooler if they would’ve had the ride story take place during the movie and have the drop with the shadow man singing are you ready they should have left it as Splash Mountain
Screens and projected media are just one tool. They can be used well and used poorly. I don’t think this ride relies too much on screens and they mostly augment. It’s not a slam dunk because I do think the Mama Odie screen before the lift hill isn’t great compared to what was there before since it replaced iconic animatronics.
The idea was bad from the start. How do you make an "adventure" story without conflict, tension or excitement? The answer is you can't. That's literally what adventures are all about!
Splash Mountain had a better storytelling, for sure. And more Animatronics. And was more fun, color and a real sense of “Adventure”. Princess Tiana deserved a really new ride and not just a sort of makeover. Well, just my opinion. I have 50 years visiting WDW once a year and I think there are some attractions that You can set as “classics”. Pirates, Mansion, Big Thunder, etc… Splash Mountain, for me, had that status. It was a classic! You can improve, add new effects, do such things, but never get rid of them. But, again, It’s just an opinion from an old (and I mean it) Disney fan. Have fun, folks! ✌️
The ride story seems to have ADD. First it seems like you are helping Tiana to get a secret spice for the party or cooking a special meal. Then it shifts to you looking for a Band for the party. Which you find immediately after the first big drop. Then you get shrunk down to the size of a frog by Mama Odie. Why?! For what Purpose?! Just before the Big Drop Mama Odie blows you back up cause "To make a big splash at the party, you gotta be bigger." Then WHY Shrink us in the first place if you are gonna blow us back up again?!?! Then at the end you are at the party and then Tiana says "It looks like the only spice we needed was you!" Wait, i thought we were getting a band?! Now we are the Spice?! It left me more confused than anything and just makes me sad that Splash Mountain is gone.
Song of the South was never offensive. It only is because liars and racist trolls chose to call it that because they never seen it, they are cowards, and have no knowledge.
While the original splash mountain didn’t have a groundbreaking story, the conflict of the rabbit being captured served as a great emotional journey for the ride. There is no conflict in tianas bayou adventure and to me, that’s the biggest downgrade. I haven’t ridden it yet but tiana looks kinda boring and one-note
I agree that it has more happening because of the cat and mouse dynamic between Brer Fox/Bear trying to capture Brer Rabbit. I was trying to say that the premise is simple, but Splash gets more out of the premise because of the setups and payoffs. Tiana doesn’t do enough with the premise of finding musicians because the scenes in the first section are too repetitive. I also find it the biggest downgrade.
@Guide2WDW Too bad Disney doesn’t find your little opinion valid enough to make an impact on their decisions. Keep crying about Splash being in the trash 😂
It should have been themed around the movie. Could have started with Taina as a little girl and ended with her living out her dream and all the antics and music from the movie like the Frozen ride at Epcot. Kids especially are going to be like “what is this?”
They should have just added a Tiana dark ride elsewhere and kept Splash. They could have found the room. Disneyland Does it. The park needed more capacity.
keouine, I completely agree with you. They need more capacity and desperately need a cajun/soul food restaurant. They cheaped out when they did Pirates in Florida and didn't do the early ride through the bayou and it would have fit in with the movie. A definite downgrade. Yes there is story to Haunted Mansion.
Other than the above and beyond animatronics, Splash Mountain is superior in every way. I doubt it but I’m hoping they bring back splash mountain or at least Japan will keep their splash mountain permanently after seeing this and maybe Disneyland will halt production. But of course I live in a fantasy land
The Oriental Land Company owns Tokyo Disney so they wouldn't change their ride but if they did they would stick to the storyline of the film as they do for all of their rides which is why they are such a huge success. Their rides and animatronics are far superior and they also have a budget that far exceeds any theme park in the west.
@@rachelanne5917 even if disney owned 100 percent of it would not close down japan has a diffrent culture and paris which is 100 percent owned by disney is rumored making a lion king flume with same layout i would love a lion king ride
This is a huge downgrade especially when compared to what came before it. At least Tokyo’s version didn’t suffer the same fate. And if it did (which is highly unlikely), I believe that the OLC would do a far more superior job in executing the ride than Disney did. Edit: This also shows how Disney is falling short in their quality and in expectation while their main competitor is building something EPIC down the street
Yes the AA's on Splash Mountain used an older technology, but so do the exact same ones in Tokyo and somehow management there is able to keep things pristine and working. So the problem is not technology but management.
To be honest, I’ll say a down grade. Not because I’m a person that loves Splash Mountain, but at first I didn’t like Splash Mountain when I was little but I learned to love it when I got older. Anyways, I don’t think this will be loved when the kids get older. It kind of feels like something like a one and done ride. If it was going to be a success, then it should be a ride that you can ride multiple times a day. I’m kind of missing the adventure part of the ride because adventure means an unusual and exciting, typically hazardous, experience or activity, this doesn’t actually cut it as an adventure.
I disagree about the music. They had a perfect opportunity to add "Friends on the Other Side" , which is probably one of the best villain songs they've ever done, and they passed it up. It was one of the most memorable things about the movie, it should have been in the ride the same as Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah.
6:34 "Splash Mountain was about a bunny running away from home, let's not act like it's Shakespeare" perfectly sums it all up. Maybe we should see it as an actual ride and not a contender for Splash Mountain. At least cut Tiana some slack. One of the reasons why it's so boring is because all of the good things about the movie we cut from the ride, people just couldn't handle the original
I definitely understand that. I think they were thinking because you see Tiana, Louis, and Mama Odie as animatronics they should be rendered in 3D, because the fireflies are 2D. But I think I would have rather seen 2D animation as well.
It’s bad, bad, bad. Disney imagineers have become blind and deaf. Disney bent to the demands of a few loud people to appease them, and look at the result. Disappointment all around.
Once you said the music is equal, I knew this was unreliable. Splash had an original score designed to take us from one act of the story to another. We first hear an instrumental version of "How Do You Do?" This gives us a nice vibe as we settle into the ride It is a prologue. The music then becomes bigger and the turns into a musical number once we splash into Act One. We hear this song change and flow as Act One of the story evolves. Variety specific to the story and visuals. We then descend into The Laughing Place and are greeted with, once again, an original composition of "Everybody Needs a Laughin' Place" with bees buzzing out the tune instrumentally. After another small dip, the music grows into our second musical number with a chorus of characters singing. The song then changes to be slightly darker which then becomes our end of Act 2 downbeat, "The Burrow's Lament." This theme is drawn from Laughin Place and then transforms into the full-on choral scariness of the lift hill leading us to our climax. Once we drop and the screams fade away, we are greeted with a long stretch of outdoor vibey atmosphere underscored by an instrumental version of "Zip..." This bookends the attraction with similar vibes and feelings. To our surprise, the music grows into an encore with all of the characters we met singing a full of musical version of the song we have been vibing to. This song then also evolves into an alternate more personal version as Brer Rabbit recounts what he learned, making that finale seem epic since that song has grown and evolved for over a minute. Compare that to piping in music from the animated film. We hear Tiana singing immediately after she was speaking. Is she randomly breaking into song despite the song not tying into anything going on and dissociated with the figure we just saw. We splash into a scene and a completely different song plays, guess "Almost There" was just filler. As was the opening number played before that. Going Down The Bayou features Ray singing, even though he's dead and not featured. The song doesn't change or evolve other than the different sounds near the pockets of different players. When we shrink, we get a reworked track for Dig a Little Deeper which is great. But then we transition to the film soundtrack again on the Lift Hill and can hear Mama Odie singing, despite the fact we just saw her speak and will see her speak again in seconds. She's clearly not singing, but we hear her singing. Then after the splash we are listening to the movie track of Almost There again. But when entering the finale, the song changes to a new original song that only exists in that one big room, so it makes the song feel so short and anticlimactic. Instead of being over a minute of build up and a small wind down with Brer Rabbits final scene singing, it is just 20 seconds of a song which is over as quickly as it began. The music was a huge downgrade. And don't try and compare the first bayou sequence in TBA to DL's opening of Pirates. That's what adds insult to injury, knowing that Disney created a much better "float through the bayou" experience half a century ago and the new team can't even match that.
I was more trying to say I didn’t have a strong opinion regarding the music. My focus is typically story. But you do have a strong opinion and make some really great points. I was more considering the songs in a vacuum, thinking on them in a “Would I want to listen to them after the ride” way. But you brought up some really good points about how the music was used on the ride, and I really don’t disagree with what you said. Also, the Pirates comparison wasn’t to say that the first Tiana scene is equal to that, just that it reminded me of it and how a slow start to a ride can be successful. But the Pirates scene is much more tonally coherent and works better. Sorry you found me unreliable, but I’m glad you wrote in! Gave me a lot to chew on in a good way - my favorite type of feedback.
One could argue a downgrade where I might agree, however I doubt it’s as major as people say. Admittedly the animatronics are a step hugely in the right direction same with set design. However it does lack a story, going back to the roots of imagineering, Tony Baxter spoke of this so called story that is the most important part of a ride, without a good story it doesn’t feel real…
That's basically where I land on it. I think it's reasonable to describe it as a downgrade, but it's not the "WORST THING EVER MADE" that I see some people screaming about online. The more I think about it, the more I'm disappointed with the story above everything else, because I think Tiana deserves more as a character. I think the premise is fine, but I wish they did more with it to tie it deeply with the action of the ride. Tony Baxter was a master of that: tying story to kinetics.
Only 14 of the figures in TBA are true "audio animatronics" with a similar or greater range of movement as most of the characters in Splash. Tiana, Naveen, Louis, Mama Odie, Charlotte and Eudora. These are indeed high quality figures. The remaining new figures however, the new critters, are actually far less complex than most of the characters in Splash. These are not genuine audio animatronics, but rather simple moving props with very repetitive canned back and forth motion. None have more than two or three basic axes of motion at most on their entire body. Several of them including the turtle, large bobcat, two large bears and one of the large frogs only have a single axis and just twist side to side or wobble back and forth. None of the critter figures have any motion above the neck either. The range of motion along with the repetitive pendulum-like way that these figures move is comparable to the sort of moving props you'd see in an old Fantasyland C ticket dark ride, like the dwarf band in the cottage scene of Snow White's Scary Adventures. Or the spinning/bobbing fish props in Little Mermaid. The figures from Tiana have nice designs and their outer shells are of higher quality than those examples, but their motion is extremely disappointing compared to their predecessors. Splash's WDW's had about 55 well articulated legitimate AA's, and Disneyland's had about 75 (extra hand-me-downs from America Sings). Not taken from Disney's inflated number either (which dishonestly counts those aforementioned simple moving props among the AA's to try and inflate the number). I am only counting things that have a relatively decent range of complex and non-repetitive motion. Even many of the simpler Splash animatronics such as Mr Bluebird and the squat bullfrogs would blink and move their mouths. Not to mention this animation (along with their other main body joints) was dynamic and programmed to move in sync with vocals from the ride audio and never felt repetitive.
Story is the most important thing. Princess and the Frog is a good story but not represented here. There are a few nice animatronics and songs but it just doesn’t resonate with guests as it could have. Those in charge are getting too far removed from the creatives that made Disney great. once you lose the creative leadership structure, and hand leadership over to an individual who is not ready to lead this is what you get. At least they had to keep the old ride system or I fear this team would have torn down the mountain and made it a trackless ride with screens.
I'd more accurately give TBA a 5/10. There are elements that do work really well, but the story is way too weak of a foundation for them to really shine.
WORSE WORSE WORSE WORSE WORSE!! Disney has created such bad feeling for destroying Splash Mountain- I won’t even mention the monstrosity crap they replaced it with! 🤮🤮🤮
Could have been great. They really missed the mark with this one. I can get behind why they wanted to change it. But what they came to the table with was anemic.
I would have personally loved a scary moment for the big lift hill with Dr Facilier. I agree with you, it added to the fun for me as a kid feeling like I was in “danger” even though it was totally safe. Plus, a 50 foot drop is going to be scary for some kids no matter what, and it’s the first thing you see when you approach the ride. I think Disney’s been burned in the past with Magic Kingdom attractions that leaned too far into scares, like Alien Encounter or Snow White’s Scary Adventures. Those attractions got a lot of complaints at Guest Services. So I get why they avoid it at MK, but it does lose something that made the original ride more thrilling and special. It’s not my number one complaint with the new ride, but it’s definitely something lost.
@@Guide2WDW Dr Facilier would have been perfect. I guess I can understand why they didn’t do it but still it is a missed opportunity that would’ve made the ride better and slightly more satisfying to splash mountain fans.
Well guess what I'm not there with you because you're terrible person you have no heart can and one what kind of person says hurtful things about a ride think about this how would you feel your UA-cam channel huh you have no right to put in by you just because you're pissed off cuz splash mountain is gone oh f****** wel deal with i there's people like you who doesn't understand the ride do you say all the hearts of stuff you want understand this engineers work on that ride you should not be talking bad about them or any person I'm sorry to hurt your feelings do you want my honest truth splash mountain sucked on all animatronics broke down
@@AshaDanzy So people who think Splash was objectively a better ride experience need to deal with it, but your feelings need to be coddled if anyone dares criticize this version in the slightest? Hypocrite much?
The story in Splash Mountain wasn’t “bunny runs away from home.” It was about outwitting those wanting to do you harm. It might not be Shakespeare, but you have to consider the context. The Uncle Remus stories were stories actually told by slaves, who were not allowed to educate themselves. They therefore disguised life lessons and wisdom as these simple stories in order to preserve it, spread it and pass it along to later generations.
Nothing about it is an upgrade besides for the more advanced animatronics. They made the ride overly dark to hide all the dead space where nothing is going on. I can't get over how idiotic and ridiculous it is that you are going through a bayou in a frickin' mountain. They should have left Splash intact, maybe updated/enhanced it some like they have other classic Disney dark rides(alice, peter pan). I don't even understand the backlash against Splash. None of the silly cartoon characters in Splash said or did anything remotely racist. 95% of people who rode Splash had never even seen Song of the South. I hope after the initial opening hype the ride becomes a super unpopular walk on. Disney needs to be taught a lesson here.
The animatronics, new orleans themed setting and music are nice. But it lacks any real story. The original splash mountain, while simple, did have a bit of tension, especially going up the lift before the big drop. But you make a good point using the comparison to haunted mansion which had no story. It's just hard since it's easy to compare it to the original which had a story. Something does feel a bit lacking, but we'll just have to see for ourselves when we ride it in person, which is a different experience than watching a pov. I wonder if there would be room for improvement to add more scenes/animatronics to the first half.
i might get backlash for this but i’ve been going to disney for 14 years now (i’m 19) and splash mountain was always one of my favorite rides i never knew abt the original story/movie splash mountain was based off of i just saw it as a cute little animal ride disney said they wanted a more inclusive concept, one free of association of its white-centered depiction of slavery and stereotypes and i totally agree but i feel like they should’ve changed how the animatronics looked/sounded a little bit and made a more modern version of the song like change it up a bit it would’ve worked and they could’ve turned the island across from splash mountain into a tiana themed ride idk i just feel like it would’ve made more sense cuz the movie is in the bayou for most of the movie and they could’ve made her her own area in the park so it would be more inclusive yk? correct me if i’m wrong but i just feel like she should’ve had a brand new ride instead of using her as a cover up cuz that’s what it seems like they did
Here are some of the issues I have with Tiana's Bayou Adventure. 1. The storyline is weak and lacks any sense of. tension or buildup to the finale. Why is Tiana at her food factory and realizes she needs a band for her party and the missing element? 2. The band is immediately found once we enter The Bayou dark ride element. Once again no suspense of why the journey keeps continuing. 3. Momma Odie shrinking us down to find more musicians is odd since we already have come across a plethora of instrument playing animals before this section. 4. Momma Odie as a 2D Screen element for the first 2 times we see her before her animatronic appears at the top of the lift hill is odd. She also appears to play more importance that Princess Tiana. 5. Princess Tiana's outfits and hairstyles have given her an entirely different look than hw she has appeared in Princess and The Frog. I know they have aged her but I do not remember any other Disney Princess to change as much as she has. 6. Why is Prince Naveen relegated to a background band member rather than helping Louis and Princess Tiana searching together for their event? 7. Shouldn't the finale scene be set at Tiana's Palace rather than her home. There is literally no food except beignets with Madame Odie and JuJu. 8. Many of the youtube ridethru videos already show that the animatronics are high maintenance. The first Louis is already not functioning properly. His mouth has stopped working. 9. The logs are not paced out well and the animatronics and screens repeat the same sequence or skip an entire vehicle. 10. While each music/song is nice to hear it just doesn't flow seamlessly from one to the next. I know its a lot of issues I bring up but replacing a classic such as Splash Mountain required something that was going to top the original. This new overlay also destroys Frontierland. New Orleans in a western village just doesn't work nor does a mountain in the bayou.
I think these are all very valid points. I especially agree with the first scene - it’s the same vignette over and over. No setup and payoff. I definitely agree with your overall point. Disney needed to clearly top Splash in every way possible. And while I’m more positive on what’s here than a lot of others, I think it’s clear they didn’t surpass that high bar.
This is a downgrade. It didn't even take full advantage of the IP. I would have kept the name splash mountain. Dr. Facilier's shadow should be running around the sets causing mischief. The climb up to the top of the hill should have featured the voodoo magic imagery, a friends of the otherside reprise, and have cards pop up foreshadowing the riders' drop. They should have repurpose some of the old animatronics too to fill in the voids. I would have tossed in a very small zipa dee doh dah cameo somewhere even if it is just a quick chime or something. This isn't good enough.
(BEFORE YALL GO YELLING AT ME, id like to make it known 1: i am black, white, mexican guy who us giving their personal opinion on the matter. 2: i am NOT a racist person.) Hot take: The exuse "Splash Mountain was based on a racist movie, so it's good. it's gone" is terrible. Im my personal opinion as a mixed man, I saw nothing wrong with Splash Mountain. I am not saying the movie wasn't racist. Hell, i haven't even seen it! But i still dont see how that makes the ride bad! I honestly wanted to ride it one day, and now i can't. It has been replaced with a walmart rip-off honeslty. Dont get me wrong, I love that Tianas is getting a ride, but maybe they could have replaced a different ride? Like Splash Mountain didn't have anything racist in it. That's where i fail to see how the movie matters. (P.S. the only reason why i am commenting on this is because i saw people [not here] saying splash mountain was a terrible ride cause it was racist) (Edit: FINALLY SOME PEOPLE WITH COMMON SENSE]
The common consensus with Splash Mountain prior to 2020 was that it adapted Song of the South in a way that effectively allowed its stories to be retold without referencing its more controversial depictions; while they knew the movie as a whole hadn't aged well, they respected it enough to be able to rework the story in a way that kept the same basic gist while making it more relevant and timeless for modern audiences (which I think is a great way of handling controversial/problematic source material). Honestly, I think Disney themselves astroturfed the campaign to retheme the ride so they could have an excuse to do yet another unnecessary contemporary IP revamp, which helped gaslight their fanbase into outright hating the original ride. It's the outright hatred for the original ride and its source material that I think ultimately doomed this version into mediocrity because truly updating it would require respecting what the original did well (which a lot of the gaslit Disney adults now refuse to admit). Splash Mountain worked because it still respected its source despite its problems; this failed because that same respect wasn't given where it was due.
Most people have yet to experience this attraction in person, myself included. No matter how good a ride-through video is, it never captures the full experience. It seems incredibly premature and maybe even pre-biased to judge an attraction before experiencing it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, hopefully an educated opinion.
ya youre wrong, You can see the amount of stuff removed and not replaced on it. Its looks just as mediocre on video as it does in person. Be honest the story is trash and the scenes are just sad to see.
I think that’s fair, and I definitely understand that no ride through video is going to live up to actually being on a ride. Feeling the thrills, smelling the air, actually seeing the animatronics in person. But I have been on Splash Mountain dozens (maybe over a hundred?) times in my life. So I think it’s possible to compare and contrast with what came before and figure out what got upgraded and what didn’t.
Well after all the backlash they had gotten from the movie “song of the south” they decided it was time for a change, they also didn’t have enough room to add another ride and why do that when it would be so similar to splash mountain? Yes we all miss it but we can’t get mad at Disney because they simply folded under pressure. Splash mountain was also never supposed to be here forever in the words of Walt Disney he said the parks will never stay the same as long as there is imagination left in the world and there still is. So to sum up what I said don’t be mad about it leaving be happy Disney tried there best at what they had like how would You choose to re-theme that ride?
Would’ve cost them a lot of money honestly I don’t blame them for just wanting to remtheme it since that’s a lot easier and takes less time and apparently they had a lot of budget cuts
Disappointment all around. People have got to stop settling for mediocre things when it comes to Disney. Universal is wiping the floor with them and it’s not even close to be funny anymore.
why doesn’t louis do ANYthing in this ride besides stand around and wave? come on, he’s one of the goofiest funniest characters in the movie. have him swimming around, playing the trumpet, dancing, anything. him sticking out of the log was a good start but he needed more to do
2:43 "Which [the animatronics] should be much more reliable and easier to maintain." It's been one day and some of the animatronics have already started to malfunction.
I said “should,” and it turns out that word is doing a lot of work in that sentence. 😅 The technical issues look pretty bad right now, for sure. More than I was anticipating.
@@Guide2WDW I forgot to press reply but sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you. I was just pointing out how broken the ride already. I also fixed the quote.
Oh, no worries! I didn’t feel attacked. I definitely wasn’t expecting there to be so many technical issues when I recorded the video, and it’s for sure a big issue if Disney doesn’t fix it by the official opening.
Well guess what my answer is you people are wrong about everything don't you dare hurt Tina's by you doesn't mean you going to be a hurtful bastard you ruined my 29th birthday I'm going to ride I don't care any of you guys say your opinions don't matter to me I would defend tennis bayou venture I'll defend it till then till the end of days until the day I die
Also theirs the reason for the old animatronics being well old. It would take a whole lot of money to rebuild or replace parts that don't work anymore, meaning a long refurbishment period. Instead of doing that, just replace the ride, make a few new bots, and cut corners to keep it in budget.
I'll wait to ride it until I make a decision, but for me the most obvious thing is it's still covered in the reddish tan western style rocks which is so out of place in something that's supposed to be a bayou. But if the rides good then who cares.
I think my biggest issue with it is that Disney couldn't make up its mind. If it's going to be a sequel to a popular movie, then give people something to be interested in, immersed in the world. If you're going to use the excuse that a ride is too racist, then keep the elements of the culture you replaced it with. Banning the use of voodoo in a plot setting that relies HEAVILY on voodoo will not lead to a satisfactory result. If you're going to rely on more high powered animatronics to tell your story, make sure those animatronics work properly and consistently. Decisions have consequences, and successful people and businesses have plans to handle those consequences. There doesn't seem to be a plan here, and Disney is paying for it.
I work in marketing and my big question is who were they trying to market this to? It’s not for little kids at all because you have to be a certain height to ride and there is a 50ft drop. It’s not for teens or adults because there’s no suspense leading up to the 50ft drop. Who is this for? Another issue I have is the fact that the animatronics have to explain the storyline to you. If you have to explain a story you’re not telling it well enough through the visuals
Disney is going to be in hot, hot water once Epic Universe opens
Not really considering how massive and rabidly loyal disney fans are. I always like to compare disney's fanbase to taylor swift's. They are multigenerational and worldwide. They are also better at catering to family experiences. If anything, epic will end up helping disney since it will be drawing even more people to orlando.
It’s definitely taking away from Disney. dream works land and the new nighttime Cinesation show is going to be a huge draw. I personally am spending more time and money at Universal this summer then ever before, it’s my first time visiting volcano bay and staying on property at endless summer resort.
Strongly agreed 👍 💯
@@metallicnole4514 Epic Universe “helping” Disney is one heck of a spin 😂
@@gabehoyer5410 It's that saying, "the rising tide raises all ships". And competition is good for business.
This is a down grade as it's replacing as well loved attraction of multiple generations. Splash Mountain leaned to the drop as being thrown in the Briar Patch as an significant event/ action. This was previous referred to as one mountain amongst the Disney Mountain range. I am not convinced at a Tiana's attraction works well with a log flume system. An omni mover or trackless system may have been a better way to a tell the story. The structure is a still a mountain and yet Disney is telling us it is a bayou.
So true!
Love the way you put your thoughts into words.
They did Tiana dirty too. She should've had her own ride, not take SM's place.
My personal review: “Painfully average”
It’s pretty obvious how bad this is unless you think “Tiana’s foods” is a creative name
Doomed the moment it was thought up holy cow 💀
Keep crying
Like Haydehoo?
You’re one to talk.
@@SplashWuzRacist-ql7on my bad I’ll make my new account so I can argue with people stating their opinions in the UA-cam comment section next time 🙏
I don’t have anything better to do
@@tribehasspoken4038 bro ur corny go back to watchin football lil bruh
There’s no excitement to this ride there’s no build up to the climax it’s BORING they should’ve included the villain at least in place of the vultures. I think the 3 Caballeros ride is more exciting than this ride!
Gran Fiesta tour is an e ticket thrill ride compared to Tiana ngl.
That boat ride that used to be in Norway before frozen was an improvement over this as well and was always a walk on
I agree, Dr. Facilier or at least his dead spirit should've haunted this ride with the other evil spirits. I wanted that "Friends on the other side" chant song, "Are you ready?" included in the ride. I'm not going on Tiana's Bayou Adventure at Disneyland until they make it more exciting and scary, otherwise I'll skip the ride.
3 Caballeros is lovely! Cannot get tired of Donald!
The Faciler idea was never going to help or solve anything.
The story of splash mountain was brair rabbit trying to find the laughing place. The fox and bear wanted to eat them. Its simple but tells a beginning middle and end. The start of the journey, getting caught, escaping and learning that home is the real laughing place.
The story in this ride is waay to bland or simple imo. Dr facilia was much needed and could have made such a amazing story beat
Even if Faciler was put in it, it wouldn’t solve anything because it would still never popular or successful as predicted.
I’m not sure why some people downplay the story of Brer Rabbit. You worded it perfectly. Splash mountain had all the elements of storytelling, including a climax.
At least there would be a moment of tension before the drop
I don’t like how they reduced prince Naveen presence, to a background character.
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who thought that
I honestly think the ride would have been way better if it followed the plot of the actual movie
It like old dark rides from the opening of both parks could have scenes in which you take on the characters perspective, In this case when the characters are turned to frogs. You’d have to use screens sure but at least you’d have a more complete engaging narrative
I had really high expectations about this ride, but after seeing the POV the disappointment was real. I see a Tiana's Bayou ride, but without any adventure to be found. It's a mere relaxing ride without a clear narrative, which doesn't quite fit in what is supposed to be a *_thrilling_* dark ride. For it to be an adventure, we would need a narrative and possibly an antagonist. Imo the most logical part in the ride regarding the narrative was that shroom trip near the end, which by itself should say enough about my opinion on the ride's storyline as a whole
A HUGE downgrade.
Strongly agreed 👍 💯
It’s so bad it had to had been on purpose
Bro what do you think Is better? A ride based off of a racist movie or a movie based off of a not racist movie?
@@vulturemaxskitsthe ride isn’t racist so …. Splash mountain it’s also folktale so it wasn’t racist
@@vulturemaxskitssong of the south isn’t racist at all, and the dumbasses who say it is haven’t watched it. Even if it was racist, the ride doesn’t incorporate any of the human characters in it.
Sadly they missed the mark. It's as if the IP was ignored completely.
You should tell Disney that, maybe they’ll listen to you 🤣😂
No cap. This would have worked better as a small world type ride. A slow, relaxing ride thru the bayou as Tiana and Louis help your crew thru the bayou gathering ingredients and folks to play in the final scene. Every log fume ride I've ridden on builds up to some sort of tension for the final drop. Look at Jurassic Park, the ride, or the log ride in knotts.
One major thing you missed when it comes to animatronics
If you would have taken the critter animatronics into account it would be a downgrade, the critters from Tiana are very simple even much more simple than any splash animatromic that there has been.
Atleast every splash animatronic can blink, speak, and move its head, torso, and arms. These critters from Tiana have very limited movement if you pay attention to them and can only rock foward/back or side to side, they arent complex at all and they dont even move their mouths or blink.
The budget definetely went on the final scene and all the Tiana, Louis, and mama Odie animatronics because the rest can barely be considered animatronics and more like figures.
I’m going to sing zip-a-Dee doo-day repetitively and loudly while I’m standing in line for Bayou Adventure next time I go to Disneyland.
Hon, you’re probably probably gonna get kicked out
You’re really going to show everyone….
I honestly think the mindset Disney had on this was, let’s just make it as tame and conflict free as possible so we don’t have to rebuild this ride again
If anything this needs to be rebuilt asap
@@robertmusgrove4537 if anything it doesn't need to be rebuilt when people are talking bad about Tina's value into no one has a heart the so cold-hearted I'm sorry to say this I'm a Tiana's fan all the way I don't care what anybody says Tina bayou is going to make it
@@AshaDanzy I respectively hope your love for Tiana and the PATF film never fades but even alot of fans of the film aren't happy with this redesign. I never cared for the film cause I wasn't into princess productions but even the CEO Bob Iger called it boring which is a red flag for any theme park ride.
But the thing is that they made it more problematic because it’s based on a Avery island salt mine which was known for slavery
The music is NOT equally good in both rides. Splash Mountain was WORLDS BETTER.
Well guess what splash mountain is not better in fact all the animatronics broke down on that ride you have no heart you're a cold-hearted do you have no soul
@user-uc6bc6od2b I think you should be more concerned about this ride having no soul mate. 🤓
@@xKatPhantomx it makes people it makes people feel like they're in the movie a party loves this ride no matter what people think this one's going to make me happy and one because I'm going there for my 29th birthday can I need anybody to ruin the fun for me I'm going to my family and I don't want people saying mean things about Tiana's bayou
@@AshaDanzy🤖
@@AshaDanzy I'm sorry Kat, but were are going to say lots of mean things about that crappy ride. And it deserves every word, and then some. I really wish they had given Tiana a great ride that was worthy of the movie, but they just didn't deliver.
Disney didn’t want to just use the story from the movie due to the backlash of the portrayal of voodoo and the fact that the first black princess spends most of the movie as a frog, but the story for the ride is awful.
Strongly agreed 👍 💯
They need to stop overthinking and coddling the perpetually offended online weirdos and make content for normal everyday people again. The content of the movie was great and would have made a much better replacement for Splash Mountain. Once again we get a watered down snorefest that doesn’t offend or inspire it just… exists.
@@Holybeatdown strongly agreed 👍 💯 Disney could’ve replace Tiana’s bayou adventure with the muppets take splash mountain and it would’ve worked that way just my opinion and I watched the princess and the frog when I was young and as a ride it’s definitely no for me and wanted the muppets take on splash mountain similar to the muppets take manhattan.
@@Holybeatdown definitely 💯 a huge mistake.
This would go right next to Disco Yeti in the Imagineering successes ! Walt would be ashamed. “ we got their money…what are they going to do?”
Im sorry, but this is an objectively bad downgrade.
Have you have no heart you guys have no heart not okay that you say hurtful things that's not okay with me imagineers worked hard on this ride and yet I'm surprised you people have no heart you're all wrong in so many ways no matter what you think of the ride have you been on the ride let me explain this to you all the animatronics on splash mountain broke down they weren't working they got replaced so deal with it
@@AshaDanzythe animatronics broke down on Tiana’s bouyou as well and imagineers should have worked harder
@user-uc6bc6od2b So we have no heart for liking something better than before? Oh, please.
@@dereklopez9060 If they did something like this I would have no complaints.
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@user-uc6bc6od2b Don't like brutal honesty? Too bad. Suck it up.
They should have modeled it like the “Under the Sea-Journey of the Little Mermaid” and kept the original songs, lots of colorful characters, Tiana in her Princess dress at the party, and definitely included both Ray and Dr Facilier (the final drop could be trying to escape The Shadow Man attempting to take you to the other side) and NOT make the attraction a sequel. Princess Tiana fans are not going to be happy with this downgrade.
It seems like in the last decade or so Imagineering has decided that American audiences don’t like “book report rides” that retell the story of the movie. The Frozen and Tangled rides that just opened in Tokyo are just that, and they look incredible.
I like the idea of making the ride its own thing, conceptually. It’s cool that a theme park ride could further the story. But we don’t see a story where much happens to the characters from Princess and the Frog, so I can see why fans of the movie would be disappointed by it.
I think it would’ve been so much cooler if they would’ve had the ride story take place during the movie and have the drop with the shadow man singing are you ready they should have left it as Splash Mountain
Calling the screens an upgrade is crazy since weve been begging for no screens
Screens and projected media are just one tool. They can be used well and used poorly. I don’t think this ride relies too much on screens and they mostly augment. It’s not a slam dunk because I do think the Mama Odie screen before the lift hill isn’t great compared to what was there before since it replaced iconic animatronics.
The idea was bad from the start. How do you make an "adventure" story without conflict, tension or excitement? The answer is you can't. That's literally what adventures are all about!
I think being shrunk down technically counts as an adventurous element, but I do wish there was more of a sense of adventure to the ride.
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Splash Mountain had a better storytelling, for sure. And more Animatronics. And was more fun, color and a real sense of “Adventure”. Princess Tiana deserved a really new ride and not just a sort of makeover. Well, just my opinion. I have 50 years visiting WDW once a year and I think there are some attractions that You can set as “classics”. Pirates, Mansion, Big Thunder, etc… Splash Mountain, for me, had that status. It was a classic! You can improve, add new effects, do such things, but never get rid of them. But, again, It’s just an opinion from an old (and I mean it) Disney fan. Have fun, folks! ✌️
Splash mountains not a good story I'm sorry to say all the animatronics all animatronics broke down now
@@AshaDanzyJapan functions as if the Br’ers were brand new
@@AshaDanzy And Tiana's glorified Dora the Explorer episode is?
The ride story seems to have ADD.
First it seems like you are helping Tiana to get a secret spice for the party or cooking a special meal.
Then it shifts to you looking for a Band for the party. Which you find immediately after the first big drop.
Then you get shrunk down to the size of a frog by Mama Odie. Why?! For what Purpose?!
Just before the Big Drop Mama Odie blows you back up cause "To make a big splash at the party, you gotta be bigger." Then WHY Shrink us in the first place if you are gonna blow us back up again?!?!
Then at the end you are at the party and then Tiana says "It looks like the only spice we needed was you!" Wait, i thought we were getting a band?! Now we are the Spice?!
It left me more confused than anything and just makes me sad that Splash Mountain is gone.
More offensive than Song of the South ever was
YES!
Song of the South was never offensive. It only is because liars and racist trolls chose to call it that because they never seen it, they are cowards, and have no knowledge.
huge huge huge downgrade wtf is this??!
I have a hot take. The animatronic animation is way too over the top, they dont feel real at all. They are way to over-expressive.
i agree, just look at louis in the beginning. He suffers from elsa(FEA) arms but alot worse.
While the original splash mountain didn’t have a groundbreaking story, the conflict of the rabbit being captured served as a great emotional journey for the ride. There is no conflict in tianas bayou adventure and to me, that’s the biggest downgrade. I haven’t ridden it yet but tiana looks kinda boring and one-note
I agree that it has more happening because of the cat and mouse dynamic between Brer Fox/Bear trying to capture Brer Rabbit. I was trying to say that the premise is simple, but Splash gets more out of the premise because of the setups and payoffs. Tiana doesn’t do enough with the premise of finding musicians because the scenes in the first section are too repetitive. I also find it the biggest downgrade.
@Guide2WDW Too bad Disney doesn’t find your little opinion valid enough to make an impact on their decisions. Keep crying about Splash being in the trash 😂
@@SplashWuzRacist-ql7on They, like you, care too much about the woke snowflake philosophy😂.
I feel like it wasn't much of a downgrade but I did expect more from Disney
It should have been themed around the movie. Could have started with Taina as a little girl and ended with her living out her dream and all the antics and music from the movie like the Frozen ride at Epcot. Kids especially are going to be like “what is this?”
They should have just added a Tiana dark ride elsewhere and kept Splash. They could have found the room. Disneyland Does it. The park needed more capacity.
keouine, I completely agree with you. They need more capacity and desperately need a cajun/soul food restaurant. They cheaped out when they did Pirates in Florida and didn't do the early ride through the bayou and it would have fit in with the movie. A definite downgrade.
Yes there is story to Haunted Mansion.
ye thats facts
I liked the old theme - all animals no humans. They could have taken the old theme and upgraded with new animatronics.
Other than the above and beyond animatronics, Splash Mountain is superior in every way. I doubt it but I’m hoping they bring back splash mountain or at least Japan will keep their splash mountain permanently after seeing this and maybe Disneyland will halt production. But of course I live in a fantasy land
The Oriental Land Company owns Tokyo Disney so they wouldn't change their ride but if they did they would stick to the storyline of the film as they do for all of their rides which is why they are such a huge success. Their rides and animatronics are far superior and they also have a budget that far exceeds any theme park in the west.
@@rachelanne5917 even if disney owned 100 percent of it would not close down japan has a diffrent culture and paris which is 100 percent owned by disney is rumored making a lion king flume with same layout i would love a lion king ride
The Animatronics in Splash Mountain were far more complex in comparison to the new limited motion figures that have two movements each.
This is a huge downgrade especially when compared to what came before it. At least Tokyo’s version didn’t suffer the same fate. And if it did (which is highly unlikely), I believe that the OLC would do a far more superior job in executing the ride than Disney did.
Edit: This also shows how Disney is falling short in their quality and in expectation while their main competitor is building something EPIC down the street
Br’er Rabbit’s distant Japanese cousin watches in horror with Oriental Land Company at what Disney is cooking in the US :(
Yes the AA's on Splash Mountain used an older technology, but so do the exact same ones in Tokyo and somehow management there is able to keep things pristine and working. So the problem is not technology but management.
To be honest, I’ll say a down grade. Not because I’m a person that loves Splash Mountain, but at first I didn’t like Splash Mountain when I was little but I learned to love it when I got older. Anyways, I don’t think this will be loved when the kids get older. It kind of feels like something like a one and done ride. If it was going to be a success, then it should be a ride that you can ride multiple times a day. I’m kind of missing the adventure part of the ride because adventure means an unusual and exciting, typically hazardous, experience or activity, this doesn’t actually cut it as an adventure.
I disagree about the music. They had a perfect opportunity to add "Friends on the Other Side" , which is probably one of the best villain songs they've ever done, and they passed it up. It was one of the most memorable things about the movie, it should have been in the ride the same as Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah.
Splash should had NEVER been changed. They’ll regret this for sure when Epic Universe opens
It's even worse than expected.
6:34 "Splash Mountain was about a bunny running away from home, let's not act like it's Shakespeare" perfectly sums it all up. Maybe we should see it as an actual ride and not a contender for Splash Mountain. At least cut Tiana some slack. One of the reasons why it's so boring is because all of the good things about the movie we cut from the ride, people just couldn't handle the original
Except since it is a direct replacement of Splash (using the same ride systems and all), the comparisons to Splash are entirely valid.
dude as soon as i started reading ur comment he said that 😭😭
Do I gotta even watch the video to know the answer? Splash.
Splash Mountain: A creative ride that has a memorable story and catchy music.
Tiana’s Bayou Adventure: A somewhat impressive tech demo at best.
My one complaint was using CG models instead of traditional animation for the screen scenes
I definitely understand that. I think they were thinking because you see Tiana, Louis, and Mama Odie as animatronics they should be rendered in 3D, because the fireflies are 2D. But I think I would have rather seen 2D animation as well.
This is gonna be Jenny's Jokerfication
Might as well just burn it down and collect the insurance money at this point, since they’ve already destroyed Splash Mountain it wouldn’t be a loss
It’s bad, bad, bad. Disney imagineers have become blind and deaf. Disney bent to the demands of a few loud people to appease them, and look at the result. Disappointment all around.
Once you said the music is equal, I knew this was unreliable. Splash had an original score designed to take us from one act of the story to another. We first hear an instrumental version of "How Do You Do?" This gives us a nice vibe as we settle into the ride It is a prologue. The music then becomes bigger and the turns into a musical number once we splash into Act One. We hear this song change and flow as Act One of the story evolves. Variety specific to the story and visuals. We then descend into The Laughing Place and are greeted with, once again, an original composition of "Everybody Needs a Laughin' Place" with bees buzzing out the tune instrumentally. After another small dip, the music grows into our second musical number with a chorus of characters singing. The song then changes to be slightly darker which then becomes our end of Act 2 downbeat, "The Burrow's Lament." This theme is drawn from Laughin Place and then transforms into the full-on choral scariness of the lift hill leading us to our climax. Once we drop and the screams fade away, we are greeted with a long stretch of outdoor vibey atmosphere underscored by an instrumental version of "Zip..." This bookends the attraction with similar vibes and feelings. To our surprise, the music grows into an encore with all of the characters we met singing a full of musical version of the song we have been vibing to. This song then also evolves into an alternate more personal version as Brer Rabbit recounts what he learned, making that finale seem epic since that song has grown and evolved for over a minute.
Compare that to piping in music from the animated film. We hear Tiana singing immediately after she was speaking. Is she randomly breaking into song despite the song not tying into anything going on and dissociated with the figure we just saw. We splash into a scene and a completely different song plays, guess "Almost There" was just filler. As was the opening number played before that. Going Down The Bayou features Ray singing, even though he's dead and not featured. The song doesn't change or evolve other than the different sounds near the pockets of different players. When we shrink, we get a reworked track for Dig a Little Deeper which is great. But then we transition to the film soundtrack again on the Lift Hill and can hear Mama Odie singing, despite the fact we just saw her speak and will see her speak again in seconds. She's clearly not singing, but we hear her singing. Then after the splash we are listening to the movie track of Almost There again. But when entering the finale, the song changes to a new original song that only exists in that one big room, so it makes the song feel so short and anticlimactic. Instead of being over a minute of build up and a small wind down with Brer Rabbits final scene singing, it is just 20 seconds of a song which is over as quickly as it began.
The music was a huge downgrade. And don't try and compare the first bayou sequence in TBA to DL's opening of Pirates. That's what adds insult to injury, knowing that Disney created a much better "float through the bayou" experience half a century ago and the new team can't even match that.
Glad to see someone address the odd music choices. Splash’s soundtrack had a flow. This is pretty messy.
I was more trying to say I didn’t have a strong opinion regarding the music. My focus is typically story. But you do have a strong opinion and make some really great points. I was more considering the songs in a vacuum, thinking on them in a “Would I want to listen to them after the ride” way. But you brought up some really good points about how the music was used on the ride, and I really don’t disagree with what you said.
Also, the Pirates comparison wasn’t to say that the first Tiana scene is equal to that, just that it reminded me of it and how a slow start to a ride can be successful. But the Pirates scene is much more tonally coherent and works better.
Sorry you found me unreliable, but I’m glad you wrote in! Gave me a lot to chew on in a good way - my favorite type of feedback.
Tiana’s Bayou Adventure is visually stunning but the story isn’t as clear. Still, I adore it and I’m a fan of the rebranding.
I think that's a very fair take, and I'm glad you enjoy the new ride! Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I really dislike the screens; they are a total downgrade.
yeah those especially, i rly dont think the screens fit well like at all, id much rather there be animatronics there instead
Downgrade... Sadly because I was super excited for it...
“Tiana’s Boring Adventure”
One could argue a downgrade where I might agree, however I doubt it’s as major as people say. Admittedly the animatronics are a step hugely in the right direction same with set design. However it does lack a story, going back to the roots of imagineering, Tony Baxter spoke of this so called story that is the most important part of a ride, without a good story it doesn’t feel real…
That's basically where I land on it. I think it's reasonable to describe it as a downgrade, but it's not the "WORST THING EVER MADE" that I see some people screaming about online. The more I think about it, the more I'm disappointed with the story above everything else, because I think Tiana deserves more as a character. I think the premise is fine, but I wish they did more with it to tie it deeply with the action of the ride. Tony Baxter was a master of that: tying story to kinetics.
I love the original Splash Mountain and this is a huge downgrade compared to the original Splash Mountain
Only 14 of the figures in TBA are true "audio animatronics" with a similar or greater range of movement as most of the characters in Splash. Tiana, Naveen, Louis, Mama Odie, Charlotte and Eudora. These are indeed high quality figures. The remaining new figures however, the new critters, are actually far less complex than most of the characters in Splash. These are not genuine audio animatronics, but rather simple moving props with very repetitive canned back and forth motion. None have more than two or three basic axes of motion at most on their entire body. Several of them including the turtle, large bobcat, two large bears and one of the large frogs only have a single axis and just twist side to side or wobble back and forth. None of the critter figures have any motion above the neck either. The range of motion along with the repetitive pendulum-like way that these figures move is comparable to the sort of moving props you'd see in an old Fantasyland C ticket dark ride, like the dwarf band in the cottage scene of Snow White's Scary Adventures. Or the spinning/bobbing fish props in Little Mermaid. The figures from Tiana have nice designs and their outer shells are of higher quality than those examples, but their motion is extremely disappointing compared to their predecessors.
Splash's WDW's had about 55 well articulated legitimate AA's, and Disneyland's had about 75 (extra hand-me-downs from America Sings). Not taken from Disney's inflated number either (which dishonestly counts those aforementioned simple moving props among the AA's to try and inflate the number). I am only counting things that have a relatively decent range of complex and non-repetitive motion. Even many of the simpler Splash animatronics such as Mr Bluebird and the squat bullfrogs would blink and move their mouths. Not to mention this animation (along with their other main body joints) was dynamic and programmed to move in sync with vocals from the ride audio and never felt repetitive.
I like the funny gags from the old ride
Story is the most important thing. Princess and the Frog is a good story but not represented here. There are a few nice animatronics and songs but it just doesn’t resonate with guests as it could have. Those in charge are getting too far removed from the creatives that made Disney great. once you lose the creative leadership structure, and hand leadership over to an individual who is not ready to lead this is what you get. At least they had to keep the old ride system or I fear this team would have torn down the mountain and made it a trackless ride with screens.
This absolutely *****!... Boring, hate the music all the dead space...Splash Mountain was full of life.. Disney going WOKE and this is what you get..
MASSIVE DOWN GRADE
Definitely a downgrade.
Splash Mountain 10/10
Tiana’s Bayou 0/10
I'd more accurately give TBA a 5/10. There are elements that do work really well, but the story is way too weak of a foundation for them to really shine.
Great video man! I’m going in October to check it out! I think it looks cool overall but we’ll see!
The Splash Mountain Story is MUCH better. What were you smoking before you recorded this review?
I don’t think it’s as bad as everyone is saying it is but it could be better.
Let me explain this to you you're ruining my 29th birthday because I'm going to Disney world in Floridatiny bayou venture
@@AshaDanzy People are allowed to have opinions, grow up and suck it up.
WORSE WORSE WORSE WORSE WORSE!! Disney has created such bad feeling for destroying Splash Mountain- I won’t even mention the monstrosity crap they replaced it with! 🤮🤮🤮
Could have been great. They really missed the mark with this one. I can get behind why they wanted to change it. But what they came to the table with was anemic.
I thought the outside look and ambience was amazing. But then when I seen the actual ride through, wasn’t really impressed. Outside 10/10 though.
It’s sad they tried to make this ride as tame as possible. Being scared as a kid towards the end of the ride made it way more fun.
I would have personally loved a scary moment for the big lift hill with Dr Facilier. I agree with you, it added to the fun for me as a kid feeling like I was in “danger” even though it was totally safe. Plus, a 50 foot drop is going to be scary for some kids no matter what, and it’s the first thing you see when you approach the ride.
I think Disney’s been burned in the past with Magic Kingdom attractions that leaned too far into scares, like Alien Encounter or Snow White’s Scary Adventures. Those attractions got a lot of complaints at Guest Services. So I get why they avoid it at MK, but it does lose something that made the original ride more thrilling and special. It’s not my number one complaint with the new ride, but it’s definitely something lost.
@@Guide2WDW Dr Facilier would have been perfect. I guess I can understand why they didn’t do it but still it is a missed opportunity that would’ve made the ride better and slightly more satisfying to splash mountain fans.
Totally agree.
Tina's bayou venture is better than anything❤❤❤❤❤
it sucks it is a Huge downgrade😠
I’m there with you katie.
Well guess what I'm not there with you because you're terrible person you have no heart can and one what kind of person says hurtful things about a ride think about this how would you feel your UA-cam channel huh you have no right to put in by you just because you're pissed off cuz splash mountain is gone oh f****** wel deal with i there's people like you who doesn't understand the ride do you say all the hearts of stuff you want understand this engineers work on that ride you should not be talking bad about them or any person I'm sorry to hurt your feelings do you want my honest truth splash mountain sucked on all animatronics broke down
@@Songwritersbehindthecurtainyou're not a good person
@@AshaDanzy why did you say that?
@@AshaDanzy So people who think Splash was objectively a better ride experience need to deal with it, but your feelings need to be coddled if anyone dares criticize this version in the slightest? Hypocrite much?
The story in Splash Mountain wasn’t “bunny runs away from home.” It was about outwitting those wanting to do you harm. It might not be Shakespeare, but you have to consider the context. The Uncle Remus stories were stories actually told by slaves, who were not allowed to educate themselves. They therefore disguised life lessons and wisdom as these simple stories in order to preserve it, spread it and pass it along to later generations.
Nothing about it is an upgrade besides for the more advanced animatronics. They made the ride overly dark to hide all the dead space where nothing is going on. I can't get over how idiotic and ridiculous it is that you are going through a bayou in a frickin' mountain. They should have left Splash intact, maybe updated/enhanced it some like they have other classic Disney dark rides(alice, peter pan). I don't even understand the backlash against Splash. None of the silly cartoon characters in Splash said or did anything remotely racist. 95% of people who rode Splash had never even seen Song of the South. I hope after the initial opening hype the ride becomes a super unpopular walk on. Disney needs to be taught a lesson here.
BRING BACK SPLASH MOUNTAIN
give it a few years or decades
The animatronics, new orleans themed setting and music are nice. But it lacks any real story. The original splash mountain, while simple, did have a bit of tension, especially going up the lift before the big drop. But you make a good point using the comparison to haunted mansion which had no story. It's just hard since it's easy to compare it to the original which had a story. Something does feel a bit lacking, but we'll just have to see for ourselves when we ride it in person, which is a different experience than watching a pov. I wonder if there would be room for improvement to add more scenes/animatronics to the first half.
Worse. They should’ve just opened a restaurant based on her. Like this movie takes place in New Orleans. There ain’t no mountains there lmfao.
i might get backlash for this but i’ve been going to disney for 14 years now (i’m 19) and splash mountain was always one of my favorite rides i never knew abt the original story/movie splash mountain was based off of i just saw it as a cute little animal ride disney said they wanted a more inclusive concept, one free of association of its white-centered depiction of slavery and stereotypes and i totally agree but i feel like they should’ve changed how the animatronics looked/sounded a little bit and made a more modern version of the song like change it up a bit it would’ve worked and they could’ve turned the island across from splash mountain into a tiana themed ride idk i just feel like it would’ve made more sense cuz the movie is in the bayou for most of the movie and they could’ve made her her own area in the park so it would be more inclusive yk? correct me if i’m wrong but i just feel like she should’ve had a brand new ride instead of using her as a cover up cuz that’s what it seems like they did
Here are some of the issues I have with Tiana's Bayou Adventure. 1. The storyline is weak and lacks any sense of. tension or buildup to the finale. Why is Tiana at her food factory and realizes she needs a band for her party and the missing element? 2. The band is immediately found once we enter The Bayou dark ride element. Once again no suspense of why the journey keeps continuing. 3. Momma Odie shrinking us down to find more musicians is odd since we already have come across a plethora of instrument playing animals before this section. 4. Momma Odie as a 2D Screen element for the first 2 times we see her before her animatronic appears at the top of the lift hill is odd. She also appears to play more importance that Princess Tiana. 5. Princess Tiana's outfits and hairstyles have given her an entirely different look than hw she has appeared in Princess and The Frog. I know they have aged her but I do not remember any other Disney Princess to change as much as she has. 6. Why is Prince Naveen relegated to a background band member rather than helping Louis and Princess Tiana searching together for their event? 7. Shouldn't the finale scene be set at Tiana's Palace rather than her home. There is literally no food except beignets with Madame Odie and JuJu. 8. Many of the youtube ridethru videos already show that the animatronics are high maintenance. The first Louis is already not functioning properly. His mouth has stopped working. 9. The logs are not paced out well and the animatronics and screens repeat the same sequence or skip an entire vehicle. 10. While each music/song is nice to hear it just doesn't flow seamlessly from one to the next. I know its a lot of issues I bring up but replacing a classic such as Splash Mountain required something that was going to top the original. This new overlay also destroys Frontierland. New Orleans in a western village just doesn't work nor does a mountain in the bayou.
I think these are all very valid points. I especially agree with the first scene - it’s the same vignette over and over. No setup and payoff. I definitely agree with your overall point. Disney needed to clearly top Splash in every way possible. And while I’m more positive on what’s here than a lot of others, I think it’s clear they didn’t surpass that high bar.
This is a downgrade. It didn't even take full advantage of the IP. I would have kept the name splash mountain. Dr. Facilier's shadow should be running around the sets causing mischief. The climb up to the top of the hill should have featured the voodoo magic imagery, a friends of the otherside reprise, and have cards pop up foreshadowing the riders' drop. They should have repurpose some of the old animatronics too to fill in the voids. I would have tossed in a very small zipa dee doh dah cameo somewhere even if it is just a quick chime or something. This isn't good enough.
(BEFORE YALL GO YELLING AT ME, id like to make it known 1: i am black, white, mexican guy who us giving their personal opinion on the matter. 2: i am NOT a racist person.)
Hot take: The exuse "Splash Mountain was based on a racist movie, so it's good. it's gone" is terrible. Im my personal opinion as a mixed man, I saw nothing wrong with Splash Mountain. I am not saying the movie wasn't racist. Hell, i haven't even seen it! But i still dont see how that makes the ride bad! I honestly wanted to ride it one day, and now i can't. It has been replaced with a walmart rip-off honeslty. Dont get me wrong, I love that Tianas is getting a ride, but maybe they could have replaced a different ride? Like Splash Mountain didn't have anything racist in it. That's where i fail to see how the movie matters.
(P.S. the only reason why i am commenting on this is because i saw people [not here] saying splash mountain was a terrible ride cause it was racist)
(Edit: FINALLY SOME PEOPLE WITH COMMON SENSE]
The common consensus with Splash Mountain prior to 2020 was that it adapted Song of the South in a way that effectively allowed its stories to be retold without referencing its more controversial depictions; while they knew the movie as a whole hadn't aged well, they respected it enough to be able to rework the story in a way that kept the same basic gist while making it more relevant and timeless for modern audiences (which I think is a great way of handling controversial/problematic source material).
Honestly, I think Disney themselves astroturfed the campaign to retheme the ride so they could have an excuse to do yet another unnecessary contemporary IP revamp, which helped gaslight their fanbase into outright hating the original ride. It's the outright hatred for the original ride and its source material that I think ultimately doomed this version into mediocrity because truly updating it would require respecting what the original did well (which a lot of the gaslit Disney adults now refuse to admit). Splash Mountain worked because it still respected its source despite its problems; this failed because that same respect wasn't given where it was due.
nah i agree with ur take, 100% valid
Most people have yet to experience this attraction in person, myself included. No matter how good a ride-through video is, it never captures the full experience. It seems incredibly premature and maybe even pre-biased to judge an attraction before experiencing it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, hopefully an educated opinion.
ya youre wrong, You can see the amount of stuff removed and not replaced on it. Its looks just as mediocre on video as it does in person. Be honest the story is trash and the scenes are just sad to see.
I think that’s fair, and I definitely understand that no ride through video is going to live up to actually being on a ride. Feeling the thrills, smelling the air, actually seeing the animatronics in person. But I have been on Splash Mountain dozens (maybe over a hundred?) times in my life. So I think it’s possible to compare and contrast with what came before and figure out what got upgraded and what didn’t.
@@notlegitkoolaid4911there’s no reason to be hostile about a ride. It’s a process
A huge downgrade,
They took the most popular ride in the park and turned it into this for political reasons.
Why replace the most popular ride in the World, when you could have built a new ride for Tiana? Stupid move, Disney.
Well after all the backlash they had gotten from the movie “song of the south” they decided it was time for a change, they also didn’t have enough room to add another ride and why do that when it would be so similar to splash mountain? Yes we all miss it but we can’t get mad at Disney because they simply folded under pressure. Splash mountain was also never supposed to be here forever in the words of Walt Disney he said the parks will never stay the same as long as there is imagination left in the world and there still is. So to sum up what I said don’t be mad about it leaving be happy Disney tried there best at what they had like how would You choose to re-theme that ride?
Would’ve cost them a lot of money honestly I don’t blame them for just wanting to remtheme it since that’s a lot easier and takes less time and apparently they had a lot of budget cuts
This is Disneys response to universal building an entirely new park next year lmao
And therein lies the problem
It’s actually VERY simple. Splash Mountain was better, and this was downgrade.
They should have built a separate ride
#savesplashmountain #savecrittercountry and #savethemanyadventuresofwinniethepoohride at Disneyland Resort
Thank you for this in depth conversation about the ride! I like how you provided solutions to the dead space scenes
Thank you for watching and for the kind comment! And I’m happy you liked the solutions I pitched. 😄
Disappointment all around. People have got to stop settling for mediocre things when it comes to Disney.
Universal is wiping the floor with them and it’s not even close to be funny anymore.
Why didn't they let Louis play his trumpet in the finale??
why doesn’t louis do ANYthing in this ride besides stand around and wave? come on, he’s one of the goofiest funniest characters in the movie. have him swimming around, playing the trumpet, dancing, anything. him sticking out of the log was a good start but he needed more to do
2:43 "Which [the animatronics] should be much more reliable and easier to maintain." It's been one day and some of the animatronics have already started to malfunction.
I said “should,” and it turns out that word is doing a lot of work in that sentence. 😅 The technical issues look pretty bad right now, for sure. More than I was anticipating.
Let me tell you something Tina's bayou ventures better I'm about to ride that ride improve you wrong special cuz it's going to be my 29th birthday
@@AshaDanzy What?
@@Guide2WDW I forgot to press reply but sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you. I was just pointing out how broken the ride already. I also fixed the quote.
Oh, no worries! I didn’t feel attacked. I definitely wasn’t expecting there to be so many technical issues when I recorded the video, and it’s for sure a big issue if Disney doesn’t fix it by the official opening.
Should have made a massive Tiana head to talk to you when you're tiny.
You know the answer. And we all do too.
Well guess what my answer is you people are wrong about everything don't you dare hurt Tina's by you doesn't mean you going to be a hurtful bastard you ruined my 29th birthday I'm going to ride I don't care any of you guys say your opinions don't matter to me I would defend tennis bayou venture I'll defend it till then till the end of days until the day I die
@@AshaDanzywhoah... that was a lot. sounds like you're in a lot of pain.
@@AshaDanzy What is with the pixie dusters acting as if people criticizing this mid overhaul is literally the end of the world?
You mean the new: "Song of the Suck" don't you?
Tiana's Bayou Adventure should have been Song of the Suck, right?
Also theirs the reason for the old animatronics being well old. It would take a whole lot of money to rebuild or replace parts that don't work anymore, meaning a long refurbishment period. Instead of doing that, just replace the ride, make a few new bots, and cut corners to keep it in budget.
I'll wait to ride it until I make a decision, but for me the most obvious thing is it's still covered in the reddish tan western style rocks which is so out of place in something that's supposed to be a bayou. But if the rides good then who cares.
I think my biggest issue with it is that Disney couldn't make up its mind. If it's going to be a sequel to a popular movie, then give people something to be interested in, immersed in the world. If you're going to use the excuse that a ride is too racist, then keep the elements of the culture you replaced it with. Banning the use of voodoo in a plot setting that relies HEAVILY on voodoo will not lead to a satisfactory result. If you're going to rely on more high powered animatronics to tell your story, make sure those animatronics work properly and consistently. Decisions have consequences, and successful people and businesses have plans to handle those consequences. There doesn't seem to be a plan here, and Disney is paying for it.
the quality dropped harder than the 52.5 ft drop, definitely not an upgrade in the slightest
I work in marketing and my big question is who were they trying to market this to? It’s not for little kids at all because you have to be a certain height to ride and there is a 50ft drop. It’s not for teens or adults because there’s no suspense leading up to the 50ft drop. Who is this for? Another issue I have is the fact that the animatronics have to explain the storyline to you. If you have to explain a story you’re not telling it well enough through the visuals
Much as I'd love to embrace this new ride ... and despite incredible music, animatronics and effects.... it seems a fraction of what it once was. 🙄👌
Watching it on day two was worse than the first day. I didn't think that was possible. This thing sucks. Worse than I thought possible.