Dawntrail is the Greatest Update to Fishing.
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Dawntrail is finally here, and with it comes... a fishing update! And let me tell you... it's the best fishing update in the history of FFXIV.
Like... crap. It's big. So I ramble on about the highlights for about 1hr and 15 minutes or so.... and it is really rambly because there is SO much that this should really only be considered just a high-level glance at things. It will take moooonths for us to figure out what is going on and full impact of the changes... and we don't have big fish yet.
I will be doing more of these to dive into discussion around the impact of the new skills, the slight collectables changes, etc. I also hope to invite some other big fishers on to chat about their thoughts on some subjects, as there are many people working on exploring and testing things and I want them to be heard.
Please look forward to it.
Here is my lodestone blog on Ambitious and Modest Lure: na.finalfantas...
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Release
Release List
Truth of the Oceans
Fathom
Vital Sight
Electric Current
Salvage (if you don't get maps from spear fishing)
Cast Light
Quit
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Cast Light is a vital skill I can't believe you've suggested this
I DID SAY *consider*
exactly. how are we suppose to talk to other fishers if we can't morse code with cast light anymore?
Hearing you talk about some big fish by name calls to mind people talking about certain trials and raids and really puts into perspective how much of a THING fishing is in 14 and I love it ♥
Having this in the background to listen, your voice is very nice to listen to! Thank you for making accessible fishing content for FFXIV :D, much love!
I'm looking forward to a new guide on the old fish. More though, I'm looking forward to how level 100 fishers can BREAK the fishing boat achievements.
"Consider Fishingᵀᴹ" is gonna be my new go to when people are venting to me about their PF disasters
For fishing hotbar space, I plan to create two different gearsets. One for normal fishing and one for spearfishing. Which helped me a lot with my hotbar space issues.
Edit: So tried this, and doesn't work the way I had expected sadly. Hotbar's are apparently tied to the job you are on and not a specific gearset. I still made it work by using some copy hotbar macro magic, but not as easy as initially expected.
I hadn't considered doing that. That's a great idea.
I use a hotbar switcher macro which gives me a lot more hotbar space for fishing and spear fishing. One macro switches to hotbar 4, and the other macro switches back to hotbar 1.
Genius idea. Thank you so much for sharing!
There are /hotbar commands that you could set up in a macro, and could have two (likely more actually) macro buttons that instantly place actions onto your hotbar. I'm gonna tinker around with that tonight probably.
I kind of want multiple macros. One is "basic" fisher. It has buttons that swap to either spear, or fish mode. Those two have buttons that change back to basic. Figure I don't mind using 4 macros and 7 hotbars.
They've made it so ENGAGING while still being deeply IMPACTFUL. Sure, Surface Slap was an impactful ability, no pun on "slap/impact" intended, but it was more of the implication rather than the actual usage. It got kinda rote. Show up, slap the best slap target, set it and forget it. But Dawntrail FSH has brought us stuff that has us following flowcharts of "did the Lure proc the guaranteed message?" type stuff. And they have new animations, sound effects, messages... It's just so FUN to fish.
Thank you, I did not know Rest existed until just now. That will make hunting Fork/Salad type fishes so much easier now.
I love that there's unique text when intuition refreshes. I was hype when I got it for the first time on charibenet and "the reek intensifies" popped up.
Yea, I like Chari's implication that it never tried to leave, it's just trying to make YOU leave.
The sting of what's happened to Black Mage has been salved a great deal. Thanks for your work on this video, I'd just gotten more serious about fishing in Endwalker and I'm glad I have so much to look forward to.
At least one of the casters got out ok.
What? Black Mage is better than it's ever been.
@@leomeyer280495 At least two casters made it out ok.
@@FruitySnacks HA! Made me chuckle. Thanks for the content though - just got into fishing myself.
Spareful Hand is the most god given gift to Ruby Dragon madness.
ALure might be helping as well, but I don't think a lot of testing has been done with it yet.
Given the lack of hotbar space, which actions would you say are a must-have on your hotbar for 100 FSH as of now?
Was very interesting to hear your thoughts on DT fishing updates, in any case; as always, I appreciate everything you do to make fishing content more accessible in FF14 (even for not-so-hardcore fishers like me)! It's nice to hear that it seems to be a good, well thought-out update so far/that the updates seem to be being positively received by the fishing community.
A, must have skills... anything that's still on my bar in my recent DT guides basically. Lol.
@@FruitySnacks Thanks for the reply! I'll go back and take a closer look at your hotbars in those videos, haha.
Thanks a lot for your work + you're awesome + no ratio + you have an amazing voice
I hadn't noticed the level 50 trait, how exciting!
15:40 I believe it is intended since they actually state in the tooltip of MsB that it allow a fish to be available for Mooch or Spareful Hand with average-sized fish
I've seen ppl said they didn't remember Spareful Hand being there on MsB tooltip on day 1 but it might be hotfixed in after
I've just assumed that the tooltips are never actually that accurate, so I sorta just zoned out of checking, lol.
It does say that, thank you.
That part probably doesn't show up on the tooltip until you unlock Spareful Hand.
Thanks for all your fishing guides! Fisher was my first job to 100. Yes before all my combat jobs.
I keep coming back to this, you have a very calming voice! Thank you for keeping me sane during my trust grind!
I really want a fishing expert to attend a yoshi P Q&A or media tour one day. I need someone to beg the developers to standardize language used in fishing tooltips. Ambitious lure says large fish when they really mean powerful biting fish (maybe its a mistranslation from large mouth?) and the only reason i suspected it meant powerful biting was because the coloring matched powerful hookset. This is a ridiculous thing to ask of the players to find out. Half of the tooltips make little to no sense and a quarter of them misuse the word large. We need fisher representation to fix these attrocities and make fishing more intuitive
It's.... actually pretty consistent.
Large sized fish for ALure is talking about fish, which are large, ones that use Powerful Hookset.
Compared to large-sized fish which are the replacement for HQ. It's confusing, but it is consistent.
In 3 windows of trying to catchy Ruby Dragon, I got more casts off with a mooched Ku'er in those three windows than the previous 20+ combined. And I caught it in the third so the ratio coulda been worse. Spareful hand is the single most broken ability on any class ever. If a fish is caught via mooching, the catch is free. You get it. Prep your three, hold your fourth and your golden. Now fish like Seth and Ruby and The great serpent of Ronka will no longer be giant pains in the ass.
And lets not forget about Sidreal whale. Storing three horizon events is huge. And the new int extension trait should result in more casts at it per window. Not that you'll need them because you get 3 free additional attempts per try if your prep right.
Curious to see how that new trait effects snowy.
YOU CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY MY CAST LIGHT
Never said you HAD to take it away, only to consider it!
Mine on the same button as my tank stance, it's important
The int reset will be nice for those that still need ocean fish too.
After Lv50 at least!
Absolutely! What a boon.
i am pogging so much, also love this format, would be dope to have these every now and then, really gets people excited to fish i think aswell so thansk for making this!
Me, with a lv100 Fisher despite not knowing a single thing about fishing: hmm yes. indubitably
I really enjoy fishing, haven't really gotten into it much in EW, but I'm more motivated to get start filling my fishing log for DT 👀
I could honestly listen to you talk about ff14 fishing for hours tbh you have such a nice voice! anyways DT might be the expansion I take fishing seriously, it was always a pain in my eyes but getting big fish achievement intrigued me for a while now :o
I know how lures work and that they work but it still feels a bit like a "huff copium"-ability. [Spend 10GP to definitely get the big fish bite, promise!]
For the hidden fish, yes!
But for everything else... they do have a direct impact on "what might actually bite" !
I also just caught my first chain shark after trying for a couple days. The heart break of not having collector's glove turned on will haunt me forever.
The lures seem so crazy to me since it can reroll a fish on the line AFTER you have cast
You can even reroll it into a fish that bite window might've already had passed too!
So, for example, Steel Razor bites at exactly 7s, if you didn't get a bite, you can use Lure to reroll and potentially get it to bite based on the weighted pool that the lure would bring.
finally got my deephaunt while listening to this, ty for the bless \o/
My favorite skill by far is rest lmao.
Now, where is our "fishing lock" skill that prevents canceling fishing on movement when its toggled?
Just gotta be careful!
Yay a new ramble for me to start listening to whenni start actually working on fishing tonight
man really love his fishing ..
I misread the title of the video and thought it was an opinion about Dawntrail. I relax myself and listen............
Narrator: "Yeah, so Dawntrail is out for about two weeks now aaaand.... this might have been the best update for...."
Me: "YAY GOOD REVIEW?!"
Narrator: "........Fishing for forteen"
Me: (’・.・｀)…
(Thank you for the video it was nice to listen to in the background...also I LOVE the re-trigger for miner and botanist too !!!!)
I actually really enjoyed Dawntrail outside of the fishing too, so would've given it a positive review anyways.
Revisit is a godsend. I love that proc so so much!
Took a fishing break after failing to get Ruby Dragon so many times. Looking forward to your new guide for it with the new skills so I can get back into it again!
Jesus christ a 1 hour 15 minute video on fishing of all things. Who would watch this? *clicks video*
This is the abbreviated version as well!
I tested on Warden of the Seven Hues and a Green prismfish popped it for me. This is pretty huge!
Lures are so amazing
Makes me hype to get to dt fish, started playing in endwalker and completed arr fishing log so far
Spareful Hand is a neat mechanic and I like the new strats it enables, but I'm a little wary of how long it'll make prep times on some fish. I suppose in a lot of cases you'll get the extra fish while you're stacking up AA anyways, but rarer catches are going to need a much earlier start to guarantee. I'd usually rather have to go for multiple attempts but spend more time fishing in the actual window than do that much pre-fishing and get it in fewer tries.
I'm also a bit sad about Rest killing the Patience trick for Fork/Salad (maybe some others?) I kind of enjoy getting screwed over by accidental catches sometimes, it makes things a little spicier. Maybe I just have a latent gambling addiction.
In any case, good video thank you Fruity 👍
I agree! (and totally didn't talk about it yet) about how mooch prep has the potential to get real long. I think the distinction will need to be made though that this prep for a lot of fish probably won't be necessary (like with how we treat AA stacks), but we'll see as testing happens.
I know for a fact for Xenacanthus I'll probably have 2 options for prep now lol.
Random viewer and im here for this talk 😊
I started getting into fishing as a meme with some friends. Then I found out about Big Fish about six months ago, and started watching Fruity's guides. Now I'm finding myself watching over an hour long video talking about fishing in FFXIV. How deep does this rabbit hole go.
@@TKing95 however deep you want it to go
I literally used fish eyes/spareful hand to get greater serpent yesterday...I'd love to see if you can get the 3 priests before you go amiss, that'd be a real feat (I was only able to get 1 with the full hour)
Does anybody have a macro that I could use that would switch me between two sets of fishing bars, one with fishing, and one with spearfishing? Only way I can fit all this now.
You briefly mentioned "modest won't work on cinder" but just to clarify, it's not worth using ambitious lures for cinder with a hornhjelm slap?
Cinder would require precision hookset, whereas Hornhelm is powerful. Ambitious Lure would do literally nothing positive for Cinder, because you'd have to use Modest Lure.... and Modest Lure would affect not just Cinder Surprise, but also Sand Egg, Crab, Dustfish...
@@FruitySnacks Oh I mistakenly assumed cinder was powerful. But as a follow-up, you're not saying that cinder/certain legendary fish are excluded from the effect of the new lures its just that they arent useful due to their particular pool?
@@kiyokiyoko ALure/MLure will affect ALL FISH.
But how effective using them _with_ that fish is either up in the air or not likely useful. There's plenty of Precision fish with Cinders Pool so based on what we know, it's unlikely that it'll be useful.
@@FruitySnacks Ah ok I just mistook modest not helping as a hard coded interaction like fish eyes not working on arr legendaries. ty for your clarification and thank you for the great videos :)
Wonder if this will make some legendaries easier to catch with these updates
Drep's so far easier.
All 6 HW legendaries are Intuition fish, and half of them are mooched from fish required to trigger the intuition. And having spareful hand for 3 free mooches, absolutely legendaries will be easier.
Are you gonna be making a purple scrip farm? :3
(At the time of this comment) We're still determining which ones are best and which to recommend. For now, the Fleeting Brand and Kitefin Shark farms are fine.
@@FruitySnacks thanks, looking forward to it!
I wonder if this will make furcacauda easier to catch by slapping isle skipper, since its the only other small sized fish you can catch on the bait? I might have to play around with it some, although the iribainion hook rate is still quite high relative so we will see.
I DO wonder if the big game fishing is going to play into the big fish of dawntrail at all, although I have no idea how that would even work. Maybe they will be adding a new buff in future patches? I cant really see why they would add it JUST for size hunters (not that its a bad thing, but they had to have had an actual mechanics reason for it) Or am I dumb, and is big game fishing just a GP storage via anglers art for prize catch (as in does it just make it a large size fish?) I mean if so cool but not really what I would have wanted from it haha. edited, got to the part of the video where you talked about big game fishing making the massive aethersand drop lol. Interesting, very interesting.
How does one get in that fisher discord btw, ive tried finding fisher discords before but i swear they are more hidden than cinder surprise.
There is testing underway to see how the impact is on Fork, yes. That is a strategy that is being tested -- it may not work on Salad though.
As for Big-game fishing, it's for size hunters insofar that it CAN be used for max-size fish for records AND can be used for collectables to push the higher tiers -- sometimes it's even needed to hit a T3 collectable (if your gear is low and past a certain perception breakpoint). It pushes a fish to its top 1% size range (or so we know right now) if you hit a certain threshold of perception.
I think I mentioned collectables as a future ramble topic and this is part of why I want to dedicate time to just it.
It only works *with* large sized fish, so you have to use PC, P2 or hope for a 'natural' large-sized fish for it to trigger (but it doesn't fall off if you catch a non large sized, fwiw).
It's an interesting skill and they COULD make it so you need to use BGF to force a large-sized (moochable) fish, but right now we are not seeing that behaviour.
Fishing will never make sense to me as long as we have large fish large sized fish and big fish all referring to different things
if it helps it's a bit better in other languages?
Feels like possibly you can weed out certain fish with the correct usage of modest/amb lures.
Does using the lure refill the fish of its already compatible with the given hook set? I wonder
What do you mean by "Does using the lure refill the fish of its already compatible with the given hook set?"
is this spoiler safe if i havent finished msq yet?
I have done my best to avoid as many zone spoilers as I can. I do not talk about or name the final zone. I do not talk about MSQ or anything.
So it should be relatively spoiler free, but that will depend on what you consider 'a spoiler.'
@@FruitySnacks it was fine! 🙏
I just started fishing and its already way too much and I'm not even sure why I'm doing it because every fish sells for like 10 Gil 😭
There isnt that much money to be made in fishing. there is some, yes, but not much. its a niche market of people who want fish tank fish and/or when a tiers food uses a seafood (like the jhinga shrimp in endwalker)
Most of us are insane people who are achievement hunting/love fish irl/just crazy. There are some really good resources for fishing for big fish especially but honestly just get lvld up first and start playing with it. Just have fun :)
There *can* be money in fishing, but it's way harder to explain or 'teach' than others and is usually very slow. Expansion/Patch Launches do really well because there are a lot of fishing related things people just don't want to get. They eventually crash in price, but do exist.
as much as this sounds interesting to deep dive in to (perhaps literally), what actually is the purpose or the rewards of obtaining these fish? outside of simply having caught them?
Many fish are used in crafting, Leves, GC turn ins. Some desynth into things (ARR and a few SB ones, at least). Beyond that, it's achievements for minions, titles, new glam rods, etc... and yea, just log completion.
@@FruitySnacks great, thank you! i look forward to diving in to your channel to learn more :D
Bro love the content but put you fishing in the background as stock footage or put you catching these fish up
I thought about it! But at this point in time, I don't really have that much footage, or it's messy, or it's not going to be about what I'm talking about. On top of that all, to do that would require way more time than I am able to commit at this point.
For these, you're really just meant to listen for now. The specific stuff I talk about will get videos, when I can properly record and structure them in a way that isn't just part of a ramble.
fruity snacks do any of the new things make ruby dragon easier or just the ability to pocket 3 kuers before the window
For sure - Spareful Hand helps with the 3 Ku'er pocket.
Unsure on if ALure will help with *getting* Ku'er.
Beyond that, you still have to get Ruby to bite.
Man I gave you two minutes to get to some of the actual changes and I’m sorry that’s just all the patience I have
@@FubukiShiromiya well, Patience II has a longer duration, you should try that.
@@FruitySnacks or perhaps you could learn to take feedback and respect your audience’s time. Make content that is worth it, not this rambling mess.
@@FruitySnacks I tried to tell you respectfully and you responded with snark so now you get it straight.
@@FubukiShiromiya ok! Sorry you didn't like your time with the video!
If you'd like to skip ahead to where I start talking about the change, that starts at ~ 2:03
@@FruitySnacks thank you, I appreciate it. I’ll give it another go later on. I’d absolutely like to learn more about the fishing changes.
You keep mentioning not having enough space for all the skills so I'll assume you're using a controller. Setup correctly there's more than extra slots available on a controller setup. I could make a video response to this showing you how to have ever skill available and still have extra bar space for skills.
I use keyboard and mouse and I have plenty of space once I rearranged other things - like food, cordials, and shortcuts.
that's more for those who don't have enough space.
Fishing was always kind of boring to me so I never fully got into it, and most of the mechanics are somewhat confusing to me. This is the first expansion I am playing from start and I want to give FSH a proper try. Would it be possible to get some nice in-depth tutorial for both fishing and spearfishing in Dawntrail for someone new/semi-new?
Especially that when I tried farming for the spearfishing iqrrax crab, I found it very hard to get one and if I do, it's not of decent collectability and even with using HQ Cordial I need to wait a lot
Those tutorials already exists just search youtube. This guy isn't going to make one, he just spend over an hour talking about minute details without any editing whatsoever. He ain't gonna make a tutorial.
Do you know what channel this is, lol?
I will get around to doing a tutorial on that crab, but it's not my highest priority. If you check my channel, I do have starter guides on fishing (in general), ocean fishing, and Spearfishing that you can use, along with fish specific guides.
With DT being so new and there being so much going on with it, I'm a smidgen behind on what guides I wanted to make, but eventually I'll have all the important ones out. As DieKao pointed out (weirdly) there are other guides online, so if I don't have one yet, there may be one else where that could work.
@@DieKao Oh no the guy who is literally a community featured creator by SE for fishing talks about fishing
I've never thought fishing is boring.
I do think it's a massive RNG timesink made for people who have no life outside of the game.
Having weather AND time requirements means sometimes waiting weeks just for the chance to get certain fish and that's put me off entirely.
The consolation is that you don't have to sit by the pool that entire time
Just set a phone alarm or calendar notification, show up 10-15 minutes prior for Angler's Art/Swimbait prep, and try your hand at the slot machine
If you get it, cool, you never have to worry about that one again; the biggest saving grace of the legendary fish system is that they aren't used for crafting materials or anything, so it's literally just one and done for log completion
If you don't get it, set another alarm for the next one
And in between, go about the rest of the game doing whatever you'd like
I picked up legendary fishing on a whim during EW, and filled out my entire log in about five or six months, then got the EW title within two weeks of 6.55's release
It's hard to breach into the scene, but once you do and you learn the ins and outs of the system, it honestly gets really fun to try and manipulate the RNG in your favor
And then everything added with Dawntrail just adds so many layers to what you can pull off
@@Dendrago0 I physically do not have the time to get into it. I work shifts that change every week so there's no consistent time for me to be at home for this. It could be years before I see some of these fish.
75 minutes wasted to just find out that getting rare fish is still fucking annoying
Damn, I'm not autistic enough to get anything from this video. I'm just gonna read the skills and watch a 5 mins explanation.
I will have those eventually
@@FruitySnacks Got my FSH to lvl 100. Spend a day doing stuff like Titanic Sawfish, then went for Feast of Famine Fish and started doing the fishing holes in Western La Noscea.
I think I get it now. Being able to prepare swimtbaits before windows came up is already very nice. Cancelling with Rest saves like a second or two which is nice. But then the lvl 100 Lures are going to be huge IF I can find a good site that lists the hooks properly. ff14angler is ok to check which baits I need, but otherwise it's useless. FF14Fish Tracker is good for the big fish and seeing what you need.
But exploiting fishing holes with the different lure skills isn't possible at the moment unless I find a good ressource. This has always been my main issue with fishing in this game as well.