The Tomcat is Insane Now | F-14A War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Multipath changes treated the radar focused planes very well, and the F-14A in particular seemed to benefit VERY much from it.
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6:14 its real funny to think about the fact that the M2k exists with the Magic 2 at 11.7 because when you look at other planes, the F-4J (completely outclassed by the F-14) sits 1 BR step lower, and the F-4EJ (almost completely outclassed by the F-4J) sits 1 BR step below that. The difference in capabilities is insane, BR compression is something else.
Shhhhhhh let the mirage sit there, I love it to bully the premiums.
It’s really good but IMO at 12.0/12.3 it starts getting heavily outclassed, primarily due to lack of missiles, and ineffectiveness of the 530Ds
@@Northern00 yeah, of course that's the problem - uptiers make a lot of high tier vehicles near worthless. can't escape that BR compression :p
@@Northern00 they really should be at 12.0. Has a nice airfram, irccm magic 2 and decent radar missles plus the amazing avionics. But I sure do love sealclubing premiums in it lol
@@Northern00 me looking to the other side, thinking in mirage 2k and f1c at 11.3 that have also magic 2 xD Lmao 😂
@@DarkderiVeR96F1C with new flight model & MLD being nerfed = MONEYYYYYY
Fun fact, the F14's camera can track planes from really far away and planes that are tracked on the camera give you an EEGS gunsight without having to radar lock
Wish it worked properly in game
@@dutchdragon2472 it does
@@zyphyr1533 Nope, it should be capable of S&T, radar slaving so you can fire a missile with nothing but CW. And other things besides. It's a super advanced system.
I die inside every time I see my entire team of premium planes get shot down as they cant notch
You know what’s funny some of the premiums (mainly the F4EJ ADTW at 11.0) doesn’t come with lock or launch detection. How is little Timmy supposed to know he’s about to die? So the end result is kinda obvious when you put a new player in a plane that doesn’t warn them
@@ShinyRIS the MiG-23 ML too
@@enzohumeau8864 so MLD is the only MiG-23 mod with rwr launch warning?
@@mangosuppe8706pretty much yeah, or a RWR sophisticated enough to tell you something more than just direction
@@enzohumeau8864 I am thinking about getting the mirage f1c-200 dose it have launch detection
My dumbass waiting for the sale to buy this thing
Is there no sale this summer? If not ig I won’t be reinstalling.
Normally there is a summer sale with a chance of it starting as early as the 25th of June but usually it starts around the 1. of July.
@@mikeyplayz8438.
Blud thinks it's a premium 💀
@@myhugedeck8518 No. Hes missing sl
6:42 are the 3+ missiles in the room with us right now MadMatt?
I was SO CONFUSED lol
I fired ONE sidewinder at him after slotting in on him
My friend I game with suggested playing this plane on patch day a few days ago. Not only does multipathing help it out but also apparently the aim-54 has datalink now, as apparent I think with the circle around a target on radar. I’ve been taking two aim-54s with me and almost every game one or both hit from around 40 km. Also I usually get a favorable matchmaker (12.0 >). Crazy how good this plane is lately. Actually one of my aim-54s in one game went for a MiG-21 my teammates were chasing, he went vertical and died which caused my missile to space climb, and while I was switching my radar off TWS mode for sparrows, it re acquired a MiG-27 a few kilometers behind the MiG-21, dove, and killed him. Craziest aim-54 shot I’ve hit, didn’t even know it was still tracking after the MiG-21 died.
Love the inclusion of 'Agnus Dei' from Ace Combat 4
I thought AIM-54 would be the least benefit Radar missile from multipathing nerf because in the past this was the only missile that fly low does not really work against it, but because more people fly high and the capability of extremely long range shot of this missile, it is actually hilariously useful now.
However, this also shows why WT is not ready for multipathing rework, the playerbase is simply not good enough. (Not even taliking about 16v16 issues which make the situation even worse) Multiple games watching 2 F-14s cleaning up half of the team is very boring at the very least.
Tbf, it’s not like the game ever prepped them decently for anything like this. It was the only way to survive if you didn’t have ERs until this point.
@@mikeyplayz8438 You can still notch ER, but now you might have 4 MSL warning on your rwr and you have 0 ARH/SARH because the plane is stock. Stock grind is ... I don't know how to describe. Defeating multiple missiles just to find the game is litterly over.
Sounds like a player base problem. Learn how modern shit works or go back to props.
The bad players will adapt eventually, just takes some time
It's just a change of meta. If they fix tree height/ adjust some maps then it's fine. Change if meta always causes issues at first
I was the first one who thought about the Multipath change to 54C
I also have gotten 3 Matches with 6 kills at once.
then more with the 2x 54C and 4x 7F loadout on the 14B
I've been having A TON of fun in the F-14A since the patch. The Phoenix's feel really good now.
Give the 14B the 9Ms it historically had and bump it to 12.3
But definitely getting tired of the many 6x Phoenix dumpers that then just run away
Wait, we don't have bombers in War Thunder? Then what about all those base bombers that fill my lobbies?
🤣🤣🤣
cope & seethe
@@thejhonnie who do you think is worse at the game? base bombers like you or level 10 premimum jet players?
@@coldclaws2479why ask an impossible question?
Your multipathing when air-to-air bomb:
Saw you in game recently, prob had your chat off but was cool to see you lol
Yeah so for me, since I just got this Bird yesterday. What I have noticed is the biggest bane to my Existence is the Mirage 2000. Those missiles are a sin to 11.7 :(
Mandatory top gun reference
Top gun!
I’m grinding for the harrier and needed a break from base bombing. Took out the f14a and discovered how decent it is now😊
oh no, he's embracing the larping.
They should at least limit the amount of missiles they can carry, every fuclyng game theres is at least 3 F14s w a full loadout of phoenix shooting all of them, its unbearable really, even if you dont die to it, 4 or 5 teamates will and your team's fate will be sealed.
Its missiles are good enough which means it can be pulled up and still perform and at its tier it’s scary my friend is 12.0 and I don’t feel super outclassed at 13.0
I was just talking to my friend about how I got 4 modifications in 1 hour from the crazy F14, they need to nerf multipathing
The list of UA-cam members is massive now
I KNOW RIGHT?
I got removed from list even thou I’m still member
@@MANNYzZscammed! Fr though, seeing your current members is confusing af.
Wassup lee?
I’ve been f14b-ing and oh my is it awesome too now
F-14Bing chilling
Shhh don’t let him know it’s the best all round plane in the game
60m multipathing would be fine, if the trees had a realistic height. They are between 50-75m tall, which is like double the height they should be
Id really like to see you fly the tornado F3 and F3late, people say just notch but the flight model is so shit that you dont have enough time to evade. Even on the deck when the fins of your sparrows/amraams are scraping the ground, nothing much you can do. Not to mention the radar still doesnt have all aspect capability.
They took the correct approach, flipped it on its back and did the opposite with multipath changes. You now just have a 16 player missile shitfest where you point, click and die; the missile does all the work for you, no longer can you win by killing half the enemy team, now all it takes is one squad of mediocre players with 24-48 arh's to roll a team.
Skill is removed because all you do is go 1:1 or get no kills, rtb, launch and repeat. This killed/is killing air rb.
In my opinion, if team sizes do not change, and 16v16 stays, 100 meter multipath should stay. If team sizes are changed, I would be fine with multipath being moved to somewhere between 70 and 80 meters, as some trees/buildings are 40 meters+ tall on some maps.
Of course if I had my way multipath would never be changed, but some people have made it very clear that 100 is too much.
Multipathing needs to be made into a more complex model, it's the only solution. Simply using a blanket height doesn't work.
100 meter multipath literally made the game so boring because it created planes which were unstoppable once they closed in cough cough gripen, cough cough f16A, and made shit like the F15A and Flanker borderline agonizing to play because they couldnt be used how they were supposed to(hence why the f15a was left at 12.3 despite being blatantly op with aim 9ms in a downtier). It literally negated what modern missiles like we have were made to counter, even the AIM 7M and r27 had 30m multipath resistant claims in real life. I'd rather see gaijin limit the number of players as you said 8v8 and keep it where it is or limit the number of tomcats on a team at that br, there should never be more than like 2-3 tomcats in a game in that br bracket I agree its stupid.
@@MrBlueBurd0451 We don't use a blanket height, it depends on the terrain.
@xxdarkdiamondxx2998 Yeah, but you can't stop people from squadding in 4 F14's and killing everyone with 24 phoenix's. You want multipath to change, but you don't want the aircraft that would benefit most from it to benefit? Sounds hypocritical to me.
Some earlier missiles multipathed at much larger heights than 100 meters, do you want nerf the early radar missiles further?
Honestly i’m loving too tier now compared to how it was. It’s to the point now where if you aren’t getting many kills or are going negative, it’s actually a skill issue rather than your weapons just not working like before. I average 3-4 kills per match in the F-16c with a full AMRAAM load out because I know how to defend against other fox3’s. I definitely think they should make the smaller team sizes mandatory for everyone though instead of just an option.
Happy that i dont have to play around 11.7 to not face that beast
so happy that i can play the Mirage 2000C-S5 and destroy F-14's
@@moery2435You spam the same false rhetoric every F14 related video. You def get slammed by F14s all the time and are coping.
@@mikeyplayz8438 nope
Hey Lee I was wondering if dodging amramms is only possible after the engine of the missile runs out of power, or is it possible to dodge them if the egines still burning
Haven't played since the update yet. After all the videos of the new BVR I thought the F14a would be in a sweeeet spot
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I thaught I was going to see me thru one of those Su-22UM3Ks, not this time, but btw? Can you make a video on the MiG-21MF if you have it? Or MiG-23MLA?
My stance on the tomcat still stands, but man have I been enjoying splash damaging premiums into the nether world with phoenixes.
u have good tipp for me or help how i can make my radar smaller or mover it to the side and how can i get more outview i think its a seeting but idk
Since this update I can guarantee that every 11.3 game I play with my MiG23MLD a random F14 always gets 3-4 kills at the start of the game with aim54s only. My predictions is the f14s and f15 will be moved up 0.3/4 be, so f14a 12.0, f14b, 12.3 and f15a 12.7
That’s a horrible idea, with current BR it would just suck. If they moved top tier to 13.3 then those changes can work very well tho and it helps decompress BR.
@theperson5185 definetely understand your point about moving toptier, its difficult right now so we will just have to wait some months and see what gaijin responds with
A bit late but had a thought, what would thoughts be on ec maps for planes with fox 3s? Could be a way to counter fox 3 furballs
PRobably going to grind the F-15C with the F-14 because even flying the F-15A is painful and not as fun now when trying to evade fox3's in 16v16
So true lol, I’ve been having a blast with the f14A. More than with my f16C as everyone has one of those and it’s just kinda amraam spam from both teams at top tier atp.
It’s the first plane I tried since the update and I managed to do 19 kills in 6 matches without dying once. My personal best !
Some genius was telling me that it’d be fully obsolete after the update and wouldn’t listen to any reasoning lol
One day my friends, one day maybe I'll have the chance to fly one of these. Probably around the end of 2025 if I stay on the path of fairly consistent grinding of the US tech tree. Hope it will be unmatched by then.
4;02 oh my god that poor F4
I hate the change to multipath. IDK who thought this was a good idea but everything is down to luck now and you can never use skill or knowledge to dodge an active radar missiles. Ofc every 14 year old is going to answer this comment with "Skill issue". Trees are as tall as 100m in this game and surprise surprise they are not taken into account by the radar and neither are other forms of terrain. Missiles basically have wall hack now. Chaffing is like pissing in the wind also.
“You can never use skill or knowledge to dodge an active radar missile” thats what you get from hugging the ground. Notching,cranking, and understanding mar GREATLY helps in dodging these arh missiles they are not that hard. I love these change to multipathing as it encourages players to learn more tactics to employ. Sad to say there are players who refuse to change their tactics and complain on social media why they kept dying lol.
@@teariom456 there is no "Notching,cranking" in this game, it works 50% of the time at most. This is not DCS where you can go cold and stay outside the MAR. The maps aren't even that big and its 16v16. If you try to play this like DCS either your team will be dead or the enemy team will be dead by the time you do anything. Hugging the ground and using terrain works even better in DCS FYI, that also goes for chaff.
@@GeoDracuworks 50% of the time? Sounds like a skill issue to me seeing as it works far more often than that. Sorry not sorry that you don’t have a safe zone to protect you anymore because apparently putting your plane 90 degrees to an incoming threat and dropping strips of aluminum, using terrain or just bleeding missile energy by maneuvers or just running away is too hard for you.
@@Mobius_117 im with you thats what im trying to convey!
@@Mobius_117 please send me the replays where you do this consistently and survive. I'll wait. Pretty sure some of you never even play top tier, just watch videos and theory craft from your couch. I want to see how you turn your plane 90 degrees to 16 threats.
every time iw watch your videos the intro makes me think im watching 2016 kingdaddydmack
F 14 more videos is so good😊
So this is why I started getting deleted almost every game when bombing in my J(UK) on the flat maps going tree-top level…. Always the Aim-54s too….
Edit: Glad I’m getting close to the Grippen lol 😂
Either all the buffs made the phoenixs an order of magnitude better or people have gotten an order of magnitude worse. I get more 4/6 kills than I get zero kills now. Average at least 3 with just the phoenixs
OMG I LOVE THE CAMO!!! ONE OF MY ABSOLUTE FAVROITES!!!
I like the camo bc it reminds me of that Ace from "Another Game"
Just unlocked this week.
Way to evade the Aim-54. 90° right them 90° left. Make those 2 turns and the missile lost all energy to fight you.
Its also a monster in sim
Pray for the downtier simulator
Gaijin nerfing multi-path main issue is no chaff given in stock...
Grinding is brutal process rn
man i figured out someone would notice abouth the f14a. the thing is deadly with a 6/2 loadout of aim 7s and aim9. i have been getting 4+kills per game super easy with it.
I think now that the Phoenix are buffed the tom cat is in a better place coming from a sim player. Its brs seem ok for now as long as you take aim45s. The radar is still buggy though because its. A head on only pd so fining targets are kind of annoying
yo what are those graphics settings? i need that glow effect mane
The cat rises again!
I remember hearing somewhere that firing the 9H at a target is no different from firing the 9L rear aspect at something. They're basically pulling the same even tho the H is rated 18G's while the L is rated 30... you know if that's true Lee?
On another topic, that guy getting upset in chat is amusing... I literally had a guy get mad at me for "ruining a dogfight" when he was literally glued to my tail 15 seconds before spamming all his missiles at me, 2 9Ms and a Sparrow from 2.5km. He got upset when I turned around and killed him with my AAM-3. He decided to use some rather racist remarks... There were 3 of us going at him but he started out that situation on my tail spamming... like I wasn't gonna turn around and fight since I was still able. People are dumb lol
5:10 This is actually false. The F14 has almost the same rate as the f14 in its sweet spot and at lowspeed, combat flaps, thrown forward wings, on the deck, I’ve outrated my friends in F16As many times. And due to the large amount of AoA you can pull, it makes the F14 really good. You gotta know how to use it. You can’t just go monkey brain like in the F16. Effort.
Yes bro, the F-14 had the same rate as the F-14
God this is such helpful information, thank you so much
guarantee a non brain dead f16a smokes your f14 still
Make sense, f14 having the same rate as the f14 is totally logical
@@elo4998 not really tho?
I'm pretty damn sure the F-14 has much better rate than the F-14
What are you on????
@@Ifuckinghatesarhs Fuck me. I forgot that the f14 is heavier than the f14, so the f14 turns better.
Yeah this thing is in a great spot. I’ve been grinding the F15s with it. -Dirty-
I grinded the F-15C in 4 hours with the F-14B talisman
i know f-14 fuel consumption is high, but seeing it myself
damn that thing is really really thirsty
Thing is, it's not as bad as wt timer shows. It has just a little more fuel than an f4, and approximately the same time of afterburner usage. However the f4 burns it's fuel at 100% thrust at 30-ish minutes (which is what that timer shows), while f14 has almost an hour of 100% thrust
atleast it can carry alot of fuel unlike the mig29
Any recommendations for the stock grind? I'm about to face it soon.
Open wallet now for GE, or open wallet later for therapy.
Honestly with lo,g range BVR the aim,54 and 120 feel the same for kills. The 120 is only better bc it allows you to defend better and that within 20km the 120 is basicaly a full fire and forget.
The f14 always got care by gaijig i remeber when they addit was complet broken i got a su22 vs that crasy plane
Did you forget your fuel tanks in the first round?
Lee the members list is gigantic again
Also have you heard anything on the bug report for the Baz’s radar?
Nothing yet sadly
@@GeneralLee2000 that’s unfortunate. I mean it’s not super detrimental, but being able to launch more than one AMRAAM and all of them actually guide with the data link would be very nice. RAM works fine but TWS is better, and the radar HMD doesn’t matter that much. Any situation that I would need HMD I’ve just used the tall ACM and it works fine, but still, the Baz should have the (V)1, I don’t know why it’s even a question
Can you try out the Yak-141, im interested to see how it does in the new matchmaker.
Definitely better than before (even though it already was the second best 12.0 right next to the F-16A), I even changed ET’s to ER’s again (cause with 100m MP ER’s as well as any other radar missile were useful only against bots)
In sim though it became even worse (as well as any other 11.7, 12.0, 12.3 plane) cause current brackets are 11.7-13.0 and 12.0-13.0 so the 141 face only 13.0 planes while having useless SPO-15 RWR and only 30 pops of flares/chaffs. I was really surprised and still can’t get why tf they added 11.7-13.0 instead of 12.3-13.0 (similar to 12.0-12.7 in the last patch), they literally made ~20 sub-top tier jets completely unplayable and useless
@@user-jy6cn3jy8g Thanks for the input. Do you use R-27T or R-27R as your second pair of missiles after the R-27ER?
The F-14 is much like seeing the P-51D-10. It is a very cable aircraft, but you can with almost complete certainty know it will be flown by a dumb ass.
how long do you hold the lock on the 54's?
Me in my stock JA37C against mig29s, F16s, F14s well im going to die
It should go up in br at 12.0
its been insane? it never wasnt
I miss the Tomcat
how do you know when phoenix has gone active
because of the skill issue the majority of pilots have the phoenix overperforms for 0 reason, about as easy to beat kinetically as an 9b
What are your graphics settings?
Hey, the mig-23 was nerfed, but gajin buffed it again
How did gaijin buff it?
I really hope they put both F 14s one step higher like F14 a vs 10.7 like the f104g is just unfair or the av-8b+, which can’t use datalink so you need to hardlock if the enemy is at 16km+ which limits the effectiveness at 12.3 while the F14b at 12.0 can launch 6 aim 54 in tws,which are now more deadly due to reduced multipathing and more maneuverability( yeah not like AMRAAM but they can still hit maneuvering targets). I don’t see the point they these aren’t at 12.0 and 12.3
They just need to decompress the whole top tier and actually wake up about balance
The F-14's are fine. 10.7 uptiers are not common, because 11.7 battles are also, rather rare. Even then, the F14A isn't hard to kill. It's only benefit is the 54A now because of the patch, and dogfight preformance. I've fought F-14's in an F4J and F5E and still beat them. Normally they aren't that good.
Yes the Aim54 is pretty busted right now, but that's because nobody's used to having to properly Notch, and nobody is used to the reduced altitude multipathing yet.
if you go down to sea level and check altitude, you can clearly see that it isnt set at 0 metres anymore but at 60 metres.... i think this is the main reason why radar missiles have become so potent after this patch: there is no more multipathing
I checked and that is not the case
The multipath isn't what the altitude says on the side it's your actual planes height from the ground
It says that in the patch notes
Do you think the MiG-29 SMT, chinese F-16, JA37D, and JAS39A will get Fox 3s?
Smt has r77
The SMT does get fox 3s the others don’t and probably won’t because gaijin doesn’t like people not having grind and stock grind a brand new jet
Somehow I keep getting my phoenixes to team kill bro
The Phoenix has an internal radar, so once you lose lock, it will attempt to go after the target you had last locked, but if it loses lock, it can lock onto a friendly similarly to a fox 2 (ir missile)
@@skeelo22 makes sense. Thank you mate
I'm averaging 2 kills a match with the phoenix now
The best way to beat the missile is to use missile!!!!!
bro they always add sum fancy like f15 and now f14 is suppost to be the best alr got me on the f15 grind lol
Can’t the f14b get up tear to 13.0?
How do y’all select between targets without exiting TWS
Search for "Switch target" in controls
anyone else see the burner clearly clipping through the nozzles
Always done that
Hi General, I am brazilian pls make a video from new AMX :v
Sorry for the stupid question but I can't find out how to get my radar like that. There are no guilds how to set it up like that ANYWHERE. Can someone please help :)
@@christianconboy4531 if you mean it being square there's a toggle called "use rectangular radar display" or something along those lines in either options or controls, check my radar video :)
me in a f4E trying to get f15 by bombing when this shit plane gets added
Great content. Aim 54 was crap in real life only capable of downing a transport/passenger jet.
Yeah no shi??
Thats exactly what it was made for, killing bombers etc. But it did get 2 kills with 1 missile on some Mig 23s i believe.
I just want anti rad missiles
they saved my baby
the only time this aircraft's engines should reach 1153C is if they are on fire.... Normaly they wouldnt get hotter than 700... Gaijin and their lack of research has f'ed this plane so hard... Along with the slats opening automatically
yeah they went with the TIT temperate as exhaust temperature for some reason
@@jaek__ The story is that all jets(and maybe props too) are modeled like that because they dont have data on all of them. So instead of doing what any sane person would and model the temperatures correctly for aircraft that there is data and making at least educated guesses on the rest they prefer to just look at the dial and say " hey max afterburner should be near the top and engines idle should be just be bellow that..." These are not the brains that got us to the moon is all I am going to say...
Let’s goo
What I can do to avoid the aim 54 with My 11.3 aircraft
don't fly in a straight line ignoring the rwr
@@codmv2 11.3s don't even have a good rwr
@@ferrous3262they give you enough
@@ferrous3262doesnt matter the rwr gets the warning anyways. Just notch while pretty low and its an easy dodge, done it plently with the F4J and EJ KAI
if ur getting a steady rwr ping early game, it’s prob a phoenix lol. just go cold
fnaf SL voice
Just aim 120 2 in 1 match I think it's because this video 😂😂😂
its not insane
is just "only downtier"
aaaand it should be nerfed! you forgot that part.
Should be at 12.7
Absolutely brain-dead take
Stupidest take ive ever heard, yeah lets put the F14 vs a better turning, faster, more survivable plane with AIM 54s which may have more range but are much slower and easier to dodge vs 120s! Seems fair.
@@skeelo22agreed