Harnessing the Power of Piles (The Last Spell)
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- We're back at it with another TLS guide, this time we're talking about all the ins and out of corpse piles!
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[00:00:00] Intro
[00:01:37] Origin of a Strategy
[00:03:37] The Plan
[00:05:02] Level 1: Quick & Dirty
[00:05:55] The Strat
[00:09:00] Minor Caveats
[00:10:59] The Pay Off
[00:12:38] Level 2: The Deep Dive!
[00:13:43] Location
[00:15:27] Enemy Types
[00:16:24] The Value Lookup
[00:18:02] Elites
[00:20:35] Spreadsheet
[00:23:17] Demo
[00:26:06] Why The Haven?
[00:28:21] Economies & You
[00:30:06] Gear Production + Corpses
[00:31:33] Resource Production + Corpses?
[00:33:13] Pure Corpse Strats
[00:35:19] Outro - Ігри
Massive appreciation for the upfront and honest explanations with no click baiting or burying the lead. You have earned my respect and my sub my good man.
Thank you Sean, it is always my aim to shoot straight and give people the info they're looking for! Welcome to the community!
The amount of hard work you put into this videos is insane and i just wanted to say that they are appreciated, at least by me
Thank you @BlackSnowX I try to put out the best product I can and it means a lot when people recognize and appreciate it! Thanks for the kind words, it really means a lot.
I'm late to the party, but still happy with the videos, thanks!
@AnT-ik1fh never late nor early! Thanks for watching!
Love the video, the explanations, the worksheets & graphs. But most of all, your dedication. Amazing work
@juanarayas8861 so glad to hear that these videos are helpful and useful! Many thanks for the kind words!
29:35 It actually IS possible to get above 12 workers with Omen of Housing, which seems like an auto-pick for this strat.
You are so right Ann, how could I forget Omen of Housing... also how have I not been using omen of Housing?!?!? Thanks for the comment 🤦♂️
@@aldenpotamus Ehehe. We had an "Omen of Housing" VS the "Omen of the Lone Scavenger" discussion in your Omen tier video. I claimed Omen of Housing is better but I guess my arguments were not good enough :).
So yea... how have you not use Omen of Housing? Glad your eyes are finally opened ^^. it is understandable though there is so many Omens and sometimes it is hard to see them for what they are between all the noise and combinations and opportunity costs...
So yea Omen of Housing. Little bit slower on start, you do need to buy that first house to get it on the same level as Omen of the Lone Scavenger but after that.. it just keeps on giving! 2 extra workers rock wherever you get them.
I guess in this strategy it is even stronger.
Thnx for the video btw :D it is very insightful.
Cheers!
So I think it is good, the omission was mostly a brain fart... but the one strike against Omen of Housing is that most maps max at 4-5 corpse mountains, which doesn't require 14 workers, so the ROI on housing is lower just because you're doing piles or gold mine/ scav camps with the surplus workers.
It's a great point though and I'll be testing with it today on stream!
@@aldenpotamus cool :). Cheers! :)
I remember when I discovered corpses and found someone mention that they were based on how many units died on a tile I changed up my whole strategy to maximize them. The issue was I had not seen that they needed to be in the haven to get the best chances. So I ended up doing whole runs with the worst of both worlds: I would keep all walls fully intact and wait for the monsters to get into melee with them before I killed them. This caused me to have to spend so many mats on walls and even with that awful version of this strategy the rewards were astounding.
Corpse are life, but it's absolutely true that they benefit astoundingly from location. It really is interesting the ways we develop these strategies, thanks for sharing @SixHod
@@aldenpotamus And thanks to you for making videos and doing such good research for this game that I love! Even with winning the majority of my runs the stress of the game causes me to burnout fast and it was awesome discovering a channel that plays it at such a high level! Can enjoy it without having to worry so much.
@SixHod cheers!
Thanks for all the time and effort you put into these videos. I'm almost done with your 001 series and it has been greatly informative. I hadn't played TLS for about 6 months and needed a refresh on strategy and I'm glad I found your channel.
Thank you so much for your generosity! Truly appreciate the support and so happy to hear that the guides were helpful! I too am super happy you found my channel, happy Last Spelling!
It's frustrating how anti-fantasy this best strat is, and makes you play. Destroying your own walls and waiting for the horde to get close, largely ignoring the city-building aspect of the game because the corpses are too good, making the town "panic" the whole time... idk, it just doesn't feel great.
@goatmeal5241 I hear you, and I'll say that I think we all need to find the way to play the game that fits us best. The game is very beatable with or without this strategy... it's just as achievable to win the game with a bustling metropolis as it is with a baren DMZ full of corpses, the choice is yours. I'll continue to play all the different way, but when I see a new powerful strat I'm gonna keep spreading the gospel :)
I agree, it's ultra cringe and should not be in the game. But it's fixable, with "Better Corpses" mod you can ignore this "best strat" and stop being frustrated.
Took a look at the mod, I think it's cool that you made a mod to change this dynamic, though I'm not sure that the way you went about changing it is the way I'd like to see it addressed. For context the mod just makes it so you always get the max number of corpses.
I understand that right now modding the last spell is pretty painful, so any mod is an accomplishment, but I think that the idea of there being some strategy to corpses is a nice thing and I think that this solution would honestly just make the game rather easy.
@@aldenpotamus it sure would
Great job on the mod... I've been playing around on the code and was thinking of making one to increase wave sizes to see how that changes the dynamics.
On your recent live broadcast for Dwarven DLC, I wondered what the heck is this no walls only ballistas strategy! Now I know haha. Counter intuitive thoughts strike again! Thanks for sharing your research and theories.
My pleasure @gp4141 , it is indeed a strong way to play... at some point this week we may try a more "conventional" approach to Runenberg, but this one is in my opinion the most meta and strongest option.
I watch you on and off, based on if we're playing the same game at the time. But oh my god what an underrated content creator. Your videos are so clear and informative, so much work put into them. Just wanted to let you know they're appreciated and wish you success in your content creator endeavors! Can't wait for the days when Aldenpotamus' livestream has thosands of viewers and I'm there like "I've been watching since there were like 3 of us watching" :)
Thank you so much for the kind words. I really love making these types of videos and it means a lot to me when I hear that others appreciate them.
We're still very early in our adventure of streaming and content creation, but. Super excited for what the future holds and also look forward to having an OG crew 😊
Cheers!
Great video as always. One thing i think i can add to is : Catapults are kinda good for this strategy too, since they're cheaper and much better than ballistas at softening enemies (they hit more enemies, bring them down to the kill range, and we can fully control where and when to hit) during the first few nights. After that, with how much resources we get from piles, we can replace them with ballista if needed to without any real consequences.
Interesting idea, my main concern was going to be late game fall-off, but I think our idea of pivoting to Ballista after the first few nights sounds like a really solid one, thanks for sharing @sorrowseeker!
AMazing video, huge breakdown, thanks a lot!!
@CryForHappyness thank you, I'm so thrilled to hear that you enjoyed it! I love making content like this and have big plans for future vids!
Thank you so much for this video. I cannot imagine the amount of work it required : the spreadsheet, the graph, etc. For so long I didn't understand how corpses worked in this game, until now !
Amazing, so glad it was helpful!!! Cheers!
incredible work, really been digging your videos of tls!
So glad to hear it! Welcome to the channel and hope to see you around!
Tremendous video! Thanks for creating it, looking forward to trying out this strategy out 👍
My absolute pleasure, thanks for leaving a comment!!!
Like others have said I am very impressed with all of your content, very very well put together as well as presented. Bravo!
The nerdy info is very much appreciated too, tysm 🙏
Cheers @Jameston ! Truly appreciate the kind words... with the new DLC there will no doubt be a new influx of content worthy of nerding out :)
Excellent analysis as always
Thanks @KamLC, cheers!
I love these TLS breakdowns.
So glad you liked it! Thanks for the comment and certainly more to come!
Thanx for the well-made and in-depth video! Wow! What a strat! And here I thought I knew everything about the game!
I've got nearly 700 hours in the game and somehow I'm still learning. For a relatively simple game there's a lot of depth, I really hope that we haven't seen the last of updates from Ishtar!
@@aldenpotamus I hope the same!
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Awesome vid! So informative!
Thanks Lo! Getting back on The Last Spell videos train, this was a super fun one to make!
I'm theory crafting a way to improve this strategy that includes traps/walls but its really theoretical, I'll get back to you when I do some more testing.
Sounds good! I think the hardest part is that traps and walls cost materials that could be sunk into more Ballista and the strategy REALLY starts to pop off when the Ballista reach critical mass. But I'm super curious to see what you find, please do share either here or in the discord!
I have a similar strat that you can try.
1) tear down all walls.
2) rebuild wooden walls 1 tile closer to the last spell. (Aka build the wall 1 space away from the original wall surrounding the town)
3) only kill enemies attacking your wall.
4) for later rounds, build a double wall.
Why this works- imagine your haven is 20 by 20 grid. That is 400 squares. The outer grid where enemies tend to die tends to be the outer 200 squares. If you wall in, enemies mostly die in the perimeter of the wall which is 20x4= 80 squares.
This strategy increases the number of deaths occuring per tile, which increases your total corpse piles.
Its also relatively safe as you heroes can take cover behind the walls
Hi Earl, I know a few folks that run a strat similar to this, and I definitely see the value... I've tried some variations on this theme in the past as well. I still find that the walls cause so much panic that I prefer to go without... but honestly that's one thing I love about TLS there's so many ways to play and so many viable strategies! Perhaps I'll revisit this one sometime soon and give it another look!
Spamming stun traps help alot with that. Put them along the perimeter of the wall
Awesome, thanks man!
You got it @botchedmandala5197!
great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!!
I've had lower quality university lectures ffs :p this was so well done, big thanks.
Would have liked to see your thoughts on some of the implications of this strat on other areas of the game.
For instance, I had thought crit omen was as good as accuracy because its a way rarer roll until I started doing this strat, but your "softening up" easily turns into wasted resources with it. And in the later game, when most weapons oneshot, how do you even soften things up? Only thing i could think of was the one you mentioned - hand xbow. Already imo the best weapon in the game, now totally mandatory for most characters? And if so, it's weird because it worked so well with crit, but now crits turn into wasted resources... In general I feel like anything with rng is to be avoided now - human ballistae, (not really rng, but often takes me by surprise - poisonous), propagation (though aoe is better with the condensed enemies)
I have also been thinking about if/how this changes the importance of movement stat - before I used to think it was one of the most important things in the game, but if you only have to move around inside the haven, or just outside, it seems to be worth quite a bit less.
I can't really seem to decide, but it does make me wonder if the viability of tankier & melee heroes has increased, they can be really good bait to make enemies stand on particular squares to attack you from but also things just feel a lot more close quarters and less opportunities to run and hide sometimes, or u wanna keep softening the guys at the back, but to do so have to tank a little at the end of turns.
I keep forgetting to try it, but have you tried putting some single stone walls dotted around inside the haven to act as enemy magnets - both to keep them away from ballistae, but also to get them to stand on the same squares more often?
And omens; the extra house seems like a no brainer, but has this bumped up any others do you think? Or any you see as pretty OP when doing this?
@botchedmandala5197 thank you for the compliment it was a fun video to make, and I'm glad it was appreciated.
Crit remains very strong... I generally think that the softening up transitions to obliterating everything somewhere around night 4 anyways... so I don't worry too much about Crit generally.
Movement is perhaps less critical because there is less ground to cover, but there's also something to be said for being able to zip around your entire town as needed with a hero :)
I think the problem with Tankier options is that the place this strat struggles is the corners of the base, and you can't really control the movement of enemies around the corners very well, aka you can't lure them into the center because there's other enemies already there.
Single walls is interesting, I'd only be worried about the LoS issues with your heroes.
Omen of extra house was definitely an omission, it's a great one to add. The only caveat being that the corpse piles limit means that you're not getting an extra mountain or elite carrion from taking it.
Glad it was fun to make :)
So after night 4ish, do you just let them into the base without softening, or?
Ah why the corners? It was a small consideration realy anyway, i think as you say, since u maybe do less dpa you need to compensate for that later, and a tank isnt what u want for that… although i guess one could prevent 3-4 enemies hitting your buildings, damage probably is still king.
Ah thats a good point i guess wooden walls would be the one to try it with then, maybe stun traps around it too if youre flush on materials to help it survive longer
Oh of course, i hadnt thought of that… maybe the rarity/level one then? And what do you think of the scavengey omens? Some really are so good i find it almost impossible to pass up and experiment with others so ill see what u think first lol :p
Also, my interpretation from the diagram is that, maybe once ballistae are up, a wall 2 squres in seems pretty good, do you just keep building ballistae, or what do you do with matierals later on?
Thanks for the reply btw :)
Generally after the 4th night or so there's enough Ballista that most things are melting and the rest are easily dispatched... at some point you just hit a breaking point where everything within range of the ballista is already dead (including Bulkies).
The Ballista's range lines up really well with the edges of the square, but since they target a diamond you have weaker coverage on the corners, and your heroes spend most of their time cleaning up that portion of the map.
Rarity could actually be really strong now that I think about it, good call. hmm.
I generally build ballista till I cap out and then I build damage traps in all the haven tiles.
Of course, always happy to hear from you!
Oh, is that video about mechanic that on sanctuary land monsters drop more bodies -> more loot? It has some problem with panic control, but at start, the money from all items from corpses will easily surepass reward for zero panic
I think the strategy can definitely still achieve S rank nights if you're careful and diligent, but you're very right that the benefit from corpses greatly outstrips the loss from bad ranks of you slip up. Thanks for the comment, cheers!
Great video on mechanics of the game. I was wondering why i have less elite carrion corspes in my run. I would like to add one thing. That strategy would make few weapons more appyling than before. I can justify now use of grestaxe as finally u May have perfect waves for 5tile attack. I will definetly try run focused on corps piles after watching this video.
@velgazor4739 it's a really good point, it was actually in my notes to mention that propagate is much stronger when enemies are more concentrated.... so things like lightening and bees are also even stronger!
Enjoyed the vid a lot overall. Only thing I was missing was maybe a dedicated section about the omens, perks (Defensive Training and Fortress Master seem like must-haves) and possibly weapons that are good for this strat instead of mentioning them here and there.
Good feedback for sure, I was a little worried about painting too narrow a picture of this. I don't think even the ballista are a requirement to action this strat so I didn't want to go too hard on the fortress master spam approach.
I think a lot of folks in the community actually consider ballista spam kinda cheese so I want to be careful with how hard I advocate for it. It does make the game far less exciting after all 😊
I wonder, is it maybe worthwhile to build walls inside the haven, about half way to the magic circle? The idea being that they will "concentrate" the enemies on the tiles in front of the wall, maximizing corpse generation further. You'd probably incur a lot of panic that way, but do the resources you loose out on that way really matter?
The panic doesn't really matter... I'll often lost S/A rank and not care because the corpse piles are so worth it. That being said there is too much of a good thing regarding concentration. Once a tile is saturated killing more there is actually a waste. I suspect that Walls would probably lessen the number of concentrated tiles. In some runs I've built them and they're ok, but usually I build them much closer to the circle.
Even though this strategy is great, i still wouldn't dare to pull this one on Elderlicht :) Great video!
Are you spying on me? That's actually the plan for tomorrow's Livestream 🤣🤣🤣 Granted if you were on the discord you'd know that, but I suspect that's not the case. I'm thinking Apoc 3 for the first attempt.
Also thank you for the kind words!
thank you very much
My absolute pleasure!
Been playing for a few days. I end up doing corpse strats naturally cuz the best wall is a wall of arrows 😂😂😂 I just biild a porcupine base with minimal walls maxed out ballistas and high DPS heros that function as moving walls.
I don't understand how people are able to keep wall upkeep every production phase while also building ballistas and stuff. I
@lolwtfbbq111 sounds like you honed in on what I generally consider to the optimal strategy very quickly. Well done :)
The best defense in this case is definitely a good offense, and ballista are about as offensive at they get!
29:30 "you will never have more than 12 workers"
I dunno, maybe this was for an older version of the game? the version i'm playing has an omen of housing, which allows you to build an additional house and have a total of 15 workers maximum.
obviously, you need to have that omen filling up an omen slot.
Same version... I was a little overly categorical in trying to make my point. You are correct that with Omen of Housing you can exceed 12 workers, and in some cases that can be a very strong omen towards the end of games.
Good correction!
Tldr for me coz i dont wanna gimmick too hard: build my walls a couple lines in and stop using 6 Rambo's to slaughter enemies as soon as they reveal themselves.
Less wall costs and leaning more to aoe/prop build vs multihit to save clicking 60+ enemies every turn is a bonus.
Certainly a valid strategy... I recently did a series of Apoc 5 no defenses at all runs. They were a little painful, and still walls weren't missed, generally speaking I think that walls are a bit of a trap, but I know some people swear by them :)
I'm going to try this strategy for sure. Thank you! I'm just about to click over 700 hours and battling Elderlicht Apoc 2. I've only 4 Steam achievements remaining. I want to finish Elderlicht Apoc 3 before even attempting Glinfein.
Nicely done @graymer7306, you're making headway and that's what matters! Please let me know how your attempts to implement the strategy go, I'd be super curious!
@@aldenpotamus Highway to Elderlicht achievement unlocked (beating Elderlicht Apoc 3). It was a harder battle, but didn't lose any hero's (death Denial worked a treat in the last night). On to Glintein and the Last Spell. But using this strategy, I did complete Elderlicht Apoc 2 and Apoc 3 in two consecutive runs. Working a treat so far.
Nice streak, congrats!!
@@aldenpotamus It ended on the last night of Glinfein. All the other nights were relatively easy, until the final night. I had five great heroes, but through the night each died instantly, and I don't know why. I need to read up some more on the twins and their weapons and try again.
The dark twin has an execute ability, that's probably what got you. Hero positioning on that fight is REALLY important because there's a huge number of gotchas. Good luck!
After 812 hours of gameplay, I have finally cracked 100% steam achievement completion and defeated Glintfein APOC3 on my 16th run, An excellent (value for money) and gameplay game and I cannot wait for the DLC next year! I can now, hang my sword up and put down my one-handed crossbow for a while, and move on to my next game. (Finishing off Roguebook, Tainted Grail, Urtuk and perhaps starting Grimrock 2). I certainly feel satisfied with that last win of The Last Spell though.
Heck yeah Original! Congrats on the 100% I still haven't gotten the use X omens or use execute on an elite 😂😂😂 if you miss TLS there's some pretty fun challenge runs to be had... but your roster sounds good too! Anything on the horizon you're excited about, always looking for new games!
Cheers!!
@@aldenpotamus I had to spreadsheet and track my omens for the Visionary achievement (and I didn't use any of the more x weapons omens). I did multiple runs on Lakeburg, Glenwald and some Elderlicht on Normal to get the achievement. I'm surprised you haven't unlock "Finish Him" Use Fatality to Execute an Elite, with all your punch builds (I did this one in Glenwald, but has to try hard not to kill the elite them with other weapons first) I'm also surprised there was no Achievement for unlocking all the favors from the Twins. I did have to specific runs to unlock some achievements also e.g. War Factory (Produce 40 items in a run), It Never Holds (60 Reinforce Stone Walls in a run) and Stun Fest (Stun 50 Enemies in one night). It's funny that the Architect (build every building once) achievement is only achieved by 1.1% of players... I guess most people forget the "Store" is already built in most runs. I did demolish and recreate (before Elderlicht) to unlock. To unlock all achievements from 0 to 100% I completed the following runs: Glindenberg (10 runs APOC 6), Lakeburg (17 runs APOC 4), Glenwald (6 runs APOC 3), Elderlict (15 runs APOC3), Glintfein (16 runs APOC3). I was STUCK on Elderlict APOC 2 until I watched this video... and since this video I have NOT built another production building. I did abandon about 4-5 runs in Glintfein, as I was unhappy with the generated crew and weapons and I did jump from Normal, to APOC3, and skipped APOC1 and APOC2, but for all the others, I did all the previous APOCS. Thank you so much for your video, I wouldn't have completed this game without this video shifting my thinking on how to play the game to break the last two seals. In regard to your question, re: new games, like you, I have a deep wish list. Top of my wish list is "Shadow Gambit: The Cursed Crew" , King Arthur: Legend Rise, Hostile Takeover, The Lamplighter League. Also, games I played and didn't expect to be little treasures were, "Pathway" (60+ hours) and "Roguebook" (200+ hours.. it's a grind to 100% though.. which I haven't done yet, 3 achievements remain) and I want to finish Mutant Year Zero. Thank you again for you fantastic advice on The Last Spell (I'm sure I'll have a sneaky game or two waiting for the DLC to arrive, and try to get through the other APOC levels I've not completed. Although.. I'm not going to reattempt Elderlict or Glintfein.. I'm parking those two. 🤣Have a good one!
Would this strategy work on Elderlicht? On one hand, we want to stay close to the center, but on the other hand, we need to fly and extinguish the flames. Would completely ignoring indestructible enemies pass the exam?
I think you're the second or third person to ask this... So today on stream we're gonna try it out.
But my general this is that:
- not pushing back the fog means a lot less potential places for the flames to spawn... So knock those out quickly and get to work.
- need to find a place for the shop as energy potions and warp crystals are so important
I think fully ignoring the ghosts is a mistake though.
great video ,pls make new hero build video!
Hey Ivan! Thank so much, more hero builds may be on the horizon... honestly I don't have that many new builds to add. I'll have to give this some thought and see if I can come up with some! If you have any suggestions definitely let me know here!
What does the decision tree look like when harvesting corpse piles? Should I always go for gold, or are there times when harvesting equipment is better?
So it depends quite a bit... if you're running ballista ball of death strats then generally I get to 32 ballista (cap) and then start getting gear. If I'm running a self imposed no ballista run then I'll switch to gear relatively earlier, because I think the break even for gold is much earlier, and it's the materials that is the most irreplaceable product of going resources on corpse piles. If you don't need the materials it's likely that gear is the better take.
@@aldenpotamus I see. I restarted my save for funsies so I can see what life is like from scratch. It will be interesting to try this strat out from the beginning. Will also be interesting to pull off before ballistas are unlocked.
I've been doing some self imposed no-ballista runs lately, and it makes things harder but definitely still do-able :) Good luck!
Haven't tried this strat yet but when I do, I'm guessing that it's gonna feel like cheating. I wonder what ishtar is gonna do, if anything. Awesome vid!
It will probably, I'd say if you want to avoid it feeling like total cheese avoid using Siege / Engineer Omens and stacking 6 fortress masters around the circle... that's definitely the way to make it feel really cheesy.
Okay. Update. I just finished Elderlicht Apoc 2 using this strategy, and found it much easier than my other runs. I did have to restart my run a three times to understand the best start in the initial first few turns. The first couple of runs I waited for the monsters to come to me, but without Ballista's to defend, I burnt through Mana and was not able to recover in later nights. So, now, for the first three nights, I started like any other run. Advancing toward the monsters to take out the majority. Therefore I don't use as much mana and protect my base scavenger camp. Once I have a obtained two more houses and started to build some defence I then stated to wait for the monster to advance. I didn't use the seer at all to push back the mist. I did upgrade see to see what enemies were coming in the wave to prepare the correct equipment and potions (especially with Bulkies). On the last night, I managed to get four hero's around the boss on the first night he appeared and took him out with the first hero. Now, onto Apoc 3 (and the next achievement).
Great intel and congratulations on your win! I tried this strat out on stream last week and was able to bring the enemies into the base (Apoc 3), but the first night in particular was a little harrowing. Keep up the good work and can't wait to hear about your progress! Cheers!!
@@aldenpotamus - as the base is able to defend itself a bit better, I can teleport out and take care of the wells and come back into the base. A couple of hidey holes in the base to retreat into (behind a iron gate) is also helpful. On night 12 in APOC3 and still holding, I did lose the Seer and Healing Building on night 9, which I later rebuilt night 10. I also try and have one large multi-hitter (7+ hits) to hold a corner. My biggest issue is taking down the Mist Orbs. But I'm nearly there. I must say, I would not have got this far without using this new strategy.
Sounds like a solid progression! I do think that the extra base defense buys time for extinguishing torches.
Congrats again on the win! Upward and onward!
@@aldenpotamus This strategy doesn't work well for Glintfein. As grouping Ballista's close to the Magic Circle is likely to have then blown up on the the last night as the Twins fling Orbs into your base. I've just attempted my 4th run on Glintfein, I've made it to the last night on two of these runs using the strategy, but have not make it past Phase 3 (vs Tendertrost). I'll try it again in a couple of days times. When my frustration dies down. 😁
Sorry to hear it Graymer, I've run this strategy through Glintfein and you're right that a mistake on orbs can be catastrophic, but those are 100% avoidable. Also there's a minor advantage to this strat on that map as you fill all the voids between your buildings which bombs sneaky bombs hiding behind your buildings.
Unfortunately I think the need to be very careful about not detonating bombs is a cross cutting requirement of the final map... accidental detonations are always going to cause havoc and need to be a top priority to avoid.
Good luck and cheers!
Is it possible you meant Patience is a perk people like for this strat, not Perseverance? (around 9:55)
Definitely the P word I was looking for! Thanks @Banestalk!
Hi there, great video! I have been trying that strategy on elderlicht Apoc3, all my corpses from day 1 to 13 don't level up, max level I can get is +1! is that normal? or is this a glitch?
Hi Sarin, so I think what you're saying is that the gear from corpses doesn't progress in level? If that's happening it's definitely a bug, are you by any chance playing on console?
@@aldenpotamus yes PS5
So there was an old bug I remember someone mentioning around corpse piles gear being under leveled. I know it's fixed on PC but may still be a problem on console. Unfortunately I'm not sure what the cause is 😓
There's a lakeside playthrough starting here using this strategy. Delete your walls! ua-cam.com/video/cWXx-ecDruE/v-deo.html
Indeed! I don't remember that particular run, but I'm sure it's a good one! :)
@@aldenpotamus I'm trying a no walls right now, not thinking that I'm going to win it, but I'm learning a lot more this way than I was with heroes in watchtowers and me scratching my head as the walls are ripped down around me. There's a lot more to pay attention to when there aren't any walls!
@@TysonJensen 100%! Yeah the walls are a bit of a trap, as are watch towers if you ask me! I think you'll find that even if you don't try to fight entirely in your base you'll have an easier time without them clogging up the works!
...OH. So that's why you were fighting in your haven in your videos! Good grief, what reverse psychology is this lol.
It really is, but it's also kind of magic. I've been excited to make this video for a while, hopefully it explains my strange behavior 🤣
Love your vids man. But hate this strategy, should probably not be this op.
I know it's a divisive strategy, either people love it or hate it... but it is what it is and I generally try to equip people with the knowledge. I've done play throughs with and without corpses / ballista but at the end of the day players are leaving a lot on the table if they aren't manipulating corpses to their advantage.
Perhaps with the DLC this will change!
i don't like corpse work like this. it not fun when I use this strategy.
I see a fair number of comments that are very similar James, I think this mechanic is one that bothers a fair number of people. To be clear I'm not advocating that this is "the way to play" but it's definitely true that there's a massive amount of resources or gear available from the corpse system, and understanding how the game works is something I try to help people do, for better or worse :)
@@aldenpotamus Yep, by the way, you made a very useful video. I learned a lot from your videos. Thank you