You need this for your mill !!!!
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- You need this for your mill "Riser block" I have had 3 BRIGPORT Milling machines, but only one Riser block. I have put that riser on all three mills. In this video I show you how to install it and the advantages to having one. Enjoy!!!!!!
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Awesome upgrade! Being able to work with larger pieces is always welcomed.
It's good to have you back.
The number of times that I've thought "I need a riser block"
I'm about to build one for my square column mill
Thanks for sharing
Glade you liked it. :-)
Great to have you back Dale. I've learned a lot from you and a few other youtubers who give there time and money to make it possible for us newbees to learn a new hobby. Over the last 4 years I have acquired experience and equipment.
Awesome to see you back. Great video
I love this channel. Probably my favorite machinists channel lol. Cant wait for more videos!
Hi Dale, glad to see new videos! Always love them! Keep on making them!
Nice to see you again
, Watching your video,s from Montreal Canada.
Hey Dale, glad to see you're ok and back on-line, I've missed your videos. I'm a carpenter wannabe machinist, and I love to work in metal. I've used a number of your ideas already with my tooling, such as the spindle square tool. Its a much simpler device than you had made because I just use it to square my drill press table, but it certainly saves me time and its easy to use. Happy to see you are back and healthy.
Welcome back, nice to see you again and looking forward to some interesting projects and builds.
Glad to see you back!
Great to see you back on the ‘Tube. Please keep the amazing content you’re known for coming. Looking forward to what you do in your new ‘shop.
Glad you liked my videos :-)
Nice to see you back
After raising the head, I would have moved it AWAY from the BASE as a safety precaution. It's not worth losing your arm to clean the mounting surfaces.
Yeah man, I cringed when I saw that and had to skip ahead just to not have to see it. Rule I learned in rigging and use all the time in the garage & driveway: NO part of my body ever needs to be under any suspended load. We all have plenty of tools that can be used to manipulate things in hazardous locations.
1 lose an arm 2 and then try losing your head.. I cringed when I saw that . But god job anyway :)
He should have strapped the back end of the Ram to the Fork to keep it from tipping, and should have strapped both ends down actually.
We order these with machines and we even have one on our current reassembly of a 1950's Barker Mill a 4.00" square column because we always buy all the options for all machining so like you we can bring it along. Your fork liftt reminds us two guys of oiur electric Big Joe's from the 1980's they sure were handy to get heavy items near the table of our CNC machines without using the bigger risk of hitting the tables forklifts.
Thank you for the share, nice to see you back.
Lance & Patrick.
Thanks for the comment. :-)
I wouldn't have a Bridgeport without the 8" riser. I always ran with one. The pneumatic power draw-bar is mandatory. The versatility goes up exponentially with these 2 items. The other necessities are power feed traverse, and the 48" table, a 6" Kurt vise, Digital Read-outs, and an Advance Rotary cross-slide table. With a set-up like this, it is possible to make almost anything. What you can't make with it, can be made in the Tool-Room size lathe with DRO's, and quick change tool-post, with all carbide tooling. I think I just wet myself!!!
Moved away from Cal. in the '80s after 30 years there. Only went back to visit family and couldn't wait to leave after a few days. Now that they have all passed on, I can spend my free time visiting the real world.
As for the riser block. I have one on my Bridgeport because I have a Cross-slide rotary table on that machine full time. I'm 6'2" and I still have to use a step stool to reach the draw bar but I rarely use that machine now since getting a CNC.
Great video
A welded riser block can work just fine. Years ago we often needed a extra high block for a job. I think it was 24" (600mm) high. Made the upper and lower rings roughed in. Used a section of pipe that was quartered lengthwise for the spacer. When the segments were welded to the rings there were four gaps so you could manipulate the anchor studs into position. After welding, the riser had the rings machined in the lathe.
We did a lot of work for Sandia National Laboratories and ir often involved large Aluminum weldments that had to have flanges, etc., milled, drilled, and have O-ring grooves cut.
The warning about lifting the turret off a knee mill should not be ignored. Milling machines and lathes are notoriously top heavy and can seriously injure or even kill you if not correctly rigged for moving. If you have an installation manual for your machine, follow the instructions and don't cut corners... if it shifts while you are moving it, it won't be in slow motion when it tries to get you.
Cheers from NC/USA
Great comment. :-)
Warning : Last lines are lethal. 😄👍
Nice job!
Enjoyed Dale!
ATB, Robin
good to see you Back, Dale!
Thanks My Friend
Love Cali, miss Cali - enjoy
Good to see you back on you tube! I missed watching your vidieos. Since I retired I can no longer afford to live in california so I am moving to Pennsylvania in August.
GOOD MOVE
Great video been a long time
Good to see you back on youtube! Interesting content as always.
Thank for watching
G'Day Dale, those riser blocks in Aus are almost as expensive as the Mill so I made two, One at 6" and one at 2" and had them stress relieved and they have been rock solid as far as accuracy. What a difference they make to the capacity of the Mill especially for my quill mounted slotting attachment. They are each around 390mm in diameter and I tuned them on my lathe that has a 330mm diameter swing. Worked out to be an interesting setup.
Cam
Thanks Dale. Great to see you back on UA-cam. Looking forward to seeing more videos.
fuck you
great attention to detail i like how you checked for total accuracy
Glade you like this video:-)
Greetings from Ontario, Canada. Thanks for the video. I'm planning on building a new shop next year and I'll be looking for a Bridgeport. Dude! I must add to the comments below; never work under a suspended load. Subscribed. Work safe.
What you are doing is the very reason I stayed clear of a Bridgeport style mill for home. I bought a bench mill that has a custom base so I can raise the head to the maximum. At work, I only used the Bridgeport only when there was no other mill available.
This is brilliant.... I've got to get one.. or make one. 15" diameter is the biggest I have machined on my Bridgeport. I've got 2 so convert 1 will be a great addition. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍
Glad you’re getting videos out. Live wherever but get the moving out of your system before you get old, it gets harder every time.
One other thing to keep in mind is that it's possible to have the rear edge of the sliding center covers extend over the dovetails on the column and if you lower the knee with it overlapped your will bend the cover upward.
I took the riser off my Bridgeport when I bought it 8 years ago. I've only once come close to needing it. I guess it just depends on what kind of work you do.
Very cool video I have had a new bridgeport clone for about 4 years and it "needs" a power drawbar and probably a riser as well so i am looking forward to the power drawbar build Happy Hunting archie
Thanks! I have to say I've had way more situations where I didn't have enough height than situations where I needed the last inch above the table. If I did I would probably just throw a collet adapter in.
Great comment. :-)
Love your videos, do you have a video on how you to re-paint a machine.
That thing looks like it would fit perfectly on my mill ;)
It might be from your mill?
Hey I remember you! Glad to see you making videos again. Some of that equipment looks so familiar... Haha
I bet it dose!! and a lot of its new to. The craigslist is crazy here.
I like the riser as it gets your eye level closer to the work and saves your back from bending over so much, not being able to add one to my machine i have the whole machine lifted on a riser, its only a small bench mill but is on a higher than normal bench.
great video Dale, do you know where i could get a riser block for a wells index? the Bridgeport does not fit. Thanks
Cast reduces harmonics down near nothing. Steel is harmonic city. It will sing like the corner busker. It will cuss like a sailor. It will cry like a baby. It moves around, and due to less rigidity, it can destroy tool bits, esp. carbide in a hurry. Rigidity......machines love it, women love it.
Great comment. :-)
Riser block looks great. I would have backed that head away before working just because hydraulics can fail. It's not a good idea to work underneath a forklift. Glad to see you back
Thanks for the comment. :-)
I used the table with wood blocks after rotating the head sideways. Had an engine hoist as a safety.
I'm sorry to hear about your move. Just wait for your first power bill. I just moved to Nevada from Kokmifornia
It all ready here :-(
Well he moved from Idaho to Georgia, go figure🤷
Thanks for convincing me that I really do need a riser block Dale. Only problem is, they're all in The States or new from Taiwan so shipping doubles the cost to England. I've been looking for years on eB**.
Nice addition to the milling machine. How high is that block?
OMG... 900m2 that must be absolut great my workshop (hobby) has about 15m2 and I have a lathe (300kg) a nice big mill diy converted to CNC, metal bandsaw, hardening ofen, tool and cutter grinder, surface grinder, surface plate, compressor, div. grinders, and tons of tools in this one room.. Without perfect system I couldn't find anything again... so whenever someone says he has not too much space I think I could tell how it really is having little space 😁😁😁
I love your videos 👍😎
Cast iron takes the vibration of the machine much better than steel 👍
900 sq /ft is "only" 27 m^2.. I'm in the process of converting 200 m^2 to workshop..
I hoping to move from a 144sqft to a 400sqft shop. If you happen to run across a Burke MVN Riser block, please let me know. It's nice to have the right lifting equipment when you need it! Great video. We've been missing your videos, and that sunny disposition.
Thanks for your comment. The last time I live in San Fran my shop was 200 sq. I feel your pain :-)
I'm wanting to add a riser block to my bridgeport to gain some z-height back after installing an Advance Cross Slide Rotary Table. What size is the one in the video? I was thinking either a 6" or 8" riser. Can't go any more than 8" due to ceiling height, but I already have a maxi-rite power drawbar lol. The Rotary table is sweet, but ate up 12" of my Z-height, and currently, I can't even use my Albrecht drilling chuck because of it. And at 350lbs, it's VERY DIFFICULT to move by myself lol.
More vids. From Brazil.
Setting up the shop can be good content
I thought about doing a video on it, but it take so much more time to get the shop up and running.
Great video Dale! Thanks for sharing. Now, where do I get one??.
Find them in the corner at some old machine shop, or Craig list.
I wish I could put a spacer in my mill, but my shop has seriously low ceiling. As it is my mill motor is lightly touching the ceiling. It took me awhile to find a mill that wasn’t too tall! I needed a short motor.
You can never have too much quill to table room! Better to have clearance and have to fill it than not have it at all. :-)
I've come within a quarter inch of maxing out the capacity of my Z travel on a big part only once but that was nerve racking. Another possibility is to turn the head sideways, mount a right angle attachment to the quill, and swing the ram around 30 degrees. You get 7 inches extra from the center line of the head to the quill face minus 2.5 inches from the right angle head center line to its face for an extra 4.5 inches. If you need extra, you can nod the head back up to 45 degrees and clamp the right angle head the matching angle on the quill. The quill center line on a Bridgeport is 8 inches from the nod point so that would be an extra 5.5 inches for a total of 10 inches of height from the table. You loose the use of the quill but in a pinch, 10 inches is 10 inches.
nice now i just need a mill....
Thanks for the comment. :-)
Dale, I do believe you move more often than most people change Oil in their vehicles!
lol I've moved about 20 times so far. for a while i moved once a year.
that's way more times than anyone should.
Dale, I almost couldn’t watch this to its conclusion. Great presentation, good videography, great sound, and interesting topic. But dude, why do you think they sell jack stands? You bet your life on the seals of that forklift hydraulic ram or the valve seats in the valve, holding. If either had failed you would have been crushed, or worse when you were affixing the spider, have your arm severed at the shoulder. There are no pressure points for that kind of bleeding. Although it will stop eventually.
You should have removed the mill head from the work area, or at least chocked the ram (easily made from a pipe with a similar ID as the ram rods OD, split lengthwise and clamped in place to hold the weight if there was a failure) before getting underneath that rig. I’ve seen artillery plows, crane, jacks, aircraft landing gear, and yes forklifts fail in this way.
Safety third is OK, but it has to be in the job someplace. I love watching horror, but only when it’s fantasy. Take care and be carful.
Prat.
I could barely read your comment because I was concerned my computer might explode in my face!
Get a grip you fanny!
Engineering is about common sense and knowledge, not cotton wool and fear.
Your comment is about as relevant as as warning the entire world not to drive incase they they get a puncture.
Go file your nails! (be careful with the nail file though)
@@warne28 Come on now buddy. What is the first rule in a shop? SAFETY!!!!!! SAFETY, SAFETY!!!!!!!!! warne28 is absolutely right in calling this out.
You can never have enough Z travel 😂. Would love a spacer on mine, but I haven't room for one. Btw, you should have given the surfaces a drop of oil before tighten them down. 😉
I couldn't find a video on riser blocks when i went to install mine, so i made kind of a slide show... I will add a link to video you will need to approve it, couple things you might want to consider in it... also I got one video on the simplest power draw bar that i designed... super simple....
To each his own I guess but with so many people getting out of California it's rare to hear of someone moving the other way...
Lol
If you can ever find a tos fnk25a in the US it's like a Bridgeport on steroids. I will have a quick change adapter, collet chuck and a drill chuck mounted with a drill and still got like 15 inches off clearance. The drawbar does require a step stool though, hence the quick change...
I’ve been thinking about putting a block in my jet.
You moved to California! I'm so sorry to hear that! lol
Hola Dale, Is that a 6 or 7 inch riser block?
Nice video and having you back...
7"
I have using in my krv 3000
I can't believe you installed that riser without applying some for of lubricant to the mating surfaces. The lubricant has two function. One is as a lubricant to prevent scoring and galling.
The other is to seal out moisture. My preference would be a moly-disulfide grease but any lubricant is better than no lubricant. A dry iron face against dry iron face eventually reacts with air, humidity, coolant splash, whatever. It's not the end of the world to assemble dry but prudent practice would be to apply SOMETHING to mitigate the unforeseen in any metal to metal joint, especially where infrequent adjustments of precision fitted surfaces are concerned.
I've modified many Bridgeports in the last 50 years by drilling grease passages in the turret and tapping for a Zirc fitting. I had some little plates made up: "grease and rotate this turret annually." Overkill to be sure but the turrets always spun freely and clamped solidly. A needful thing in a busy shop.
The Mr Rogers of machining.
Great comment. :-)
Are all bridgepoŕts the same height...
Sitting here with my right arm in a cast. Broke it bad. And seeing you work under that lifted mill head made me nervous. Weird how the brain works, I would not have thought about it before my accident.
I'd agree, likely that mini fork lift has a pawl or other locking system that prevents a sudden drop if something were to fail. I've probably done a few thousand lifts in construction, mining and logging and the first basic rule is you never EVER go under a suspended load without some type of mechanical load bearing blocking that is capable of taking the full load. Was it safe enough to do what Dale did? Probably, but it's a real bad habit to get into and when it isn't safe your still probably going to do it. It only takes once and I've seen the results of a few failed lifts where thankfully no one got hurt.
I've got a Jet mill and have struggled with not having enough Z. Being forced to clamp to the table instead of the vice wastes a lot of time. Put a drill chuck on over a rotary table and you don't have much room left for the parts. I'll have to research what blocks are available for the Jet. Thanks, Be safe!
As if I didnt want or need a riser block bad enough already,Ive got to see this video.Only problem is I own a bastard size 9x35 mill and can't find a riser block for it anywhere and I really want a cast iron one.
How tall is your riser block and how tall is your ceiling. I don't think I can get a block that tall with my 8' ceiling.
Do you have any videos using the pattern torch in the background of this video.
Not Yet, I just picked it up a few weeks ago. I plan todo a restoration video first, and get it working. Then I need to buy a torch. When those things are in place than ill be able to do videos My a poor mans CNC. :-)
5 flats? I moved 29800 pounds (F350 and trailer) to AZ. Two flats. One on a poor u-haul and one on a trailer. The trailer is parked in the back yard till the new shop is built. Had the trailer built extra heavy duty all the way. Blew out a tire in the driveway in AZ the day after I get here. Steel and iron is heavy. How tall is your block?
The Block Is 7"
Does anyone know if a Bridgeport riser will fit on a Comet 3kvhd?
Much shorter trip to the Bash, plus you can see Chuck, Ray, and Randy!
I hope you doubled your income, that is the only reason I would move TO California. People are leaving Ca. in droves. Good luck sir.
Cringing as you work under 'unsupported load'; I would have at minimum put 2x4's under the fork legs.
i would like to read about the adventures of flat tires and cross country trips, but i don't (won't) do facebook.
You sure you could move that lead paint to California?
As a short guy that spacer is annoying. Just isn't annoying enough for me to want to dangle the head and remove it and swap it back on once every 3 or 4 years I need the space. The worst is the power switch as I work from the right side of the mill and can not reach it from that side. Been trying to talk safety into letting me have a "porch" around the mill for my short self. It is nice to have the room for a titling vice or a double stack of rotary tables.
Haha! a veranda around the mill!
Greetings from Russia !
Hi My Friend! glade you like the video. :-)
Why the hell did you move to California?
I agree....of all the 3rd world countries to move to why Kalifornia?
Guys! Guys! Let's not spoil this with politics, save that for FaceBook, or Twitter!
@@ke17h - The problem is that the kooks are pretty widespread. The idiocracy is in full swing and the country is falling apart, but yep, I wouldn't live in Atlanta either for many reasons. Dale has too much money and time on his hands. I think he's a kept man, nice problem to have.
N24RE could be worse Arizona...still know where bodies are...racist ass state
Clown Whisper ironically the orange guy came last month to california to ask for money.and make speeches....hypocriate
most people want out of this state the highways traffic , northern ca isn't to bad yet its on its way
Great comment. :-)
@@BuildSomthingCool i hope your move is a good thing and it works out for you , did you move to northen calif or southern calif
Sure would be nice to know how tall/thick the riser block is. 🤨
Wow! My Dad had a machine shop in Ca, and moved to Nevada because of all of the regulatory BS in Ca! Can't imagine why anyone would want to move there to run any kind of business that uses any petroleum product at all ever as it is such a pain in the you know where, in addition to all of the other BS regulatory crop they have enacted on shops!
I saw a forklift fail with a guy riding on it holding a chainsaw. He survived. Don’t know why you’d take a risk like that.
Great video - only just come across your channel. Now subscribed!
Dare I say it but the way you speak and your mannerisms remind me a bit of Adam Savage - not related are you?
That funny, Im usually called the Mr Rodgers of metal😀👍
hi what are the dimensions of the riser block? or the height atleast
thanks!
7"
@@BuildSomthingCool thanks!
It's gotta be a witness protection scheme ... it's gotta!
Witness Protection where he produces UA-cam videos? Must be due Budget cuts or something
Shhhhhh Dont tell anybody!!!!
You moved from Georgia to California on purpose?
California you say? 🤔
Where in Cali?
Half Moon Bay
Eco Mouse Congrats! (too far).
here's my video of installing a riser block(since i couldn't find an existing video before I attempted it), and jacking solutions... and quick and easy storage solutions... bet it don't take 30 minutes to swap it in or out now... ua-cam.com/video/twCQBxKOsnc/v-deo.html
As long as your machine head is more or less veretical, i don´t see a disadvantage. If you try to use a Bridgeport as a horizontal mill (kinda), it may differ. But who does that. I´ve often had (and heard of) not enough height in Z, never heard of to much....
Thanks for the comment. :-)
Why did you make that crazy decision to move from Georgia to California?
3000 miles?